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BlueBrewer
08-21-2006, 04:20 PM
I know there is another thread dicussing this but I did not want these stats to be buried.

Brett Favre, already the holder of nearly all of the passing records in Green Bay Packers history, is closing in on a number of NFL passing records as well. Here's a look at where #4 ranks among the all-time NFL greats. Packers.com will be updating Brett's climb up the charts after every game in 2006.

Career Passing Yards Total To Surpass Year To Date
1) Dan Marino 61,361 7,747 --
2) Brett Favre 53,615 -- --
3) John Elway 51,475 -- --
4) Warren Moon 49,325 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 47,003 -- --

Career Passing Attempts
1) Dan Marino 8,358 749 --
2) Brett Favre 7,610 -- --
3) John Elway 7,250 -- --
4) Warren Moon 6,823 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 6,467 -- --

Career Completions
1) Dan Marino 4,967 290 --
2) Brett Favre 4,678 -- --
3) John Elway 4,123 -- --
4) Warren Moon 3,988 -- --
5) Fran Tarkenton 3,686 -- --

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Dan Marino 420 25 --
2) Brett Favre 396 -- --
3) Fran Tarkenton 342 -- --
4) John Elway 300 -- --
5) Warren Moon 291 -- --

Career Wins as a Starting QB
1) John Elway 148 10 --
2) Dan Marino 147 9 --
3) Brett Favre 139 -- --
4) Fran Tarkenton 125 -- --
5) Johnny Unitas 119 -- --

Consecutive Games Started
1) Jim Marshall 270 50 --
2) Mick Tingelhoff 240 20 --
3) Bruce Matthews 229 9 --
4) Brett Favre 221 -- --
5) Jim Otto 210 -- --

GREEN BAY PACKERS RECORDS

Career Games Played
1) Brett Favre 223 -- --
2) Bart Starr 196 -- --
3) Ray Nitschke 190 -- --
4) Forrest Gregg 187 -- --
5) LeRoy Butler 181 -- --

Career Passing Yards
1) Brett Favre 53,615 -- --
2) Bart Starr 24,718 -- --
3) Lynn Dickey 21,369 -- --
4) Tobin Rote 11,535 -- --
5) Don Majkowski 10,870 -- --

Career Passing Attempts
1) Brett Favre 7,606 -- --
2) Bart Starr 3,149 -- --
3) Lynn Dickey 2,831 -- --
4) Tobin Rote 1,854 -- --
5) Don Majkowski 1,607 -- --

Career Completions
1) Brett Favre 4,678 -- --
2) Bart Starr 1,808 -- --
3) Lynn Dickey 1,592 -- --
4) Don Majkowski 889 -- --
5) Tobin Rote 826 -- --

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Brett Favre 396 -- --
2) Bart Starr 152 -- --
3) Lynn Dickey 133 -- --
4) Tobin Rote 89 -- --
5) Arnie Herber 66 -- --

b bulldog
08-21-2006, 04:27 PM
iNTERCEPTIONS PLEASE!

Scott Campbell
08-21-2006, 04:32 PM
iNTERCEPTIONS PLEASE!


LOL

Somebody is a little sensitive.

BlueBrewer
08-21-2006, 04:40 PM
iNTERCEPTIONS PLEASE!

I'm looking

BlueBrewer
08-21-2006, 04:45 PM
All-time interception leaders:

George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
Brett Favre, 255

MadtownPacker
08-21-2006, 04:51 PM
All-time interception leaders:

George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
Brett Favre, 255I wish I could be an interception leader.

BlueBrewer
08-21-2006, 04:54 PM
All-time interception leaders:

George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
Brett Favre, 255I wish I could be an interception leader.

Oh but you can, just gather a group of Nutz's family and friends and confront him about his addiction to porongraphy and cheetos, wait a minute ......... I'm sorry I thought you said intervention leader.

AtlPackFan
08-21-2006, 04:58 PM
All-time interception leaders:

George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
Brett Favre, 255

As long as your looking... :mrgreen: How many interceptions do Marino, Elway and Moon have???

b bulldog
08-21-2006, 05:01 PM
I guess they won't be adding to their final numbers unlike Brett.

PaCkFan_n_MD
08-21-2006, 05:07 PM
All-time interception leaders:

George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
Brett Favre, 255

Well, favre is at least going to be #2 atfer this year. And if he plays in 07, he will be both the int and td record holder.

HarveyWallbangers
08-21-2006, 06:25 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)

His interception rate isn't historically high--despite what bulldog and the Favre haters claim. Throwing 16-17 int/year may sound like a lot, but it really isn't when you throw 580-600 times/year. He's probably around average when compared to other great QBs. His TD rate is the second highest ever though, and his completion percentage is historical high. The fact he ranks third in wins (despite playing in the free agency area), and his team has more wins than any other team during his playing days should tell you all you need to know about Favre (besides the numbers and the streak).

TPF
08-21-2006, 06:26 PM
He throws more passes, so he is more likely to throw more INTs.

]{ilr]3
08-21-2006, 06:51 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)

His interception rate isn't historically high--despite what bulldog and the Favre haters claim. Throwing 16-17 int/year may sound like a lot, but it really isn't when you throw 580-600 times/year. He's probably around average when compared to other great QBs. His TD rate is the second highest ever though, and his completion percentage is historical high. The fact he ranks third in wins (despite playing in the free agency area), and his team has more wins than any other team during his playing days should tell you all you need to know about Favre (besides the numbers and the streak).

His INT's are what they are and it's still going to be part of his game. He takes risk if he thinks it will help the team win. He says that all the time and that he doesnt play for stats. His play supports what he says.

But if anyone is going to bitch about his INT rate they sure as hell better be quoting this info too.

vince
08-21-2006, 06:58 PM
Based on his career averages, here's when we could expect him to break the all-time record in each category...

Completions - 15 games (VIKINGS Game!)
Touchdown Passes - 15 games
Wins - 17 games
Interceptions - 21 games
Passing Attempts - 24 games
Passing Yards - 35 games

I think it's only fitting that the greatest, toughest gunslinger that ever lived hold EVERY record in the books, including interceptions. :mrgreen:

But, as is noted by Harvey, he's not even close when it comes to interception prolificity.

I hope he plays for 2 or 3 more years - not because I want to see him break records, but because he's still got what it takes to help his team win!

CaliforniaCheez
08-21-2006, 07:04 PM
http://www.packerpalace.com/blog/St-BF.jpg

]{ilr]3
08-21-2006, 07:11 PM
LOL, good one Cali-Cheez

Here is anouther:

Pay your Respects!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/SharperPicks9/LordFavre.jpg

Scott Campbell
08-21-2006, 07:11 PM
Oh but you can, just gather a group of Nutz's family and friends and confront him about his addiction to porongraphy and cheetos, wait a minute ......... I'm sorry I thought you said intervention leader.



ROFL

AtlPackFan
08-21-2006, 07:38 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)



Excellent stats Harv. You know the national media will never go to that depth. When Farve retires they will simply say "look, he's #? in interceptions!". Hell, his interception ratio is better than Unitas who many call the greatest quarterback of all time.

Homer Jay
08-21-2006, 08:31 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)

His interception rate isn't historically high--despite what bulldog and the Favre haters claim. Throwing 16-17 int/year may sound like a lot, but it really isn't when you throw 580-600 times/year. He's probably around average when compared to other great QBs. His TD rate is the second highest ever though, and his completion percentage is historical high. The fact he ranks third in wins (despite playing in the free agency area), and his team has more wins than any other team during his playing days should tell you all you need to know about Favre (besides the numbers and the streak).

Just to add to the stats:

Bradshaw threw a touchdown every 18.4 attempts. He threw a INT every 18.5 attempt. His TD-INT ratio was 1.01/1.00.

Unitas threw a TD every 17.8 attempts and an INT every 20.5 attempts.His TD-INT ratio was 1.14/1.

Tarkenton 1 TD for 18.9 attempt. 1 INT for every 24.3 attempts.
TD-INT ratio 1.28/1.

Elway 1 TD per 24.1 attempt. 1 INT per 32.8 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.33/1.

Marino 1 TD per 19.9 attempt. 1 INT per 33 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.67/1.

Favre. 1 TD per 19.2 attempts. 1 INT per 29.8 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.55-1.

You can debate forever who the "greatest" ever is, but, to say that Brett Favre doesn't belong near the top of the list defies all logic to me.

HarveyWallbangers
08-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Statistically, Marino is the only one that compares to Favre. There are several that belong in the talk of best ever based on team success (Starr, Bradshaw, Aikman, Graham, now Brady, etc.). There are only a handful that have both the stats and a championship. In my mind, those are the ones at the top. Those are Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre.

Manning is like Marino (great passers; no title)
Favre is like Elway (great arms; good mobility; tough; leaders)
Brady is like Aikman (winners; accurate; clutch; more QB friendly dink and dunk offenses)

With another title, Brady can move into that Starr, Bradshaw, maybe even Montana class. With one title, Manning can move from Marino to the Elway/Favre class.

b bulldog
08-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Manning will OWN ALL RECORDS when he is done and if he wins a championship, he will be in the top 10 at least. He has a shot a Brett's continuous games started streak although he has quite a ways to go to catch him. Elway did much more with much less and I'm a fan who can't stand Elway. Look at how many Super Bowls he made it to with a bunch of junk.

Homer Jay
08-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Maybe I missed it bulldog. If so, I apologize, but could you please list your top5 all time QBs?

Zool
08-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Manning will OWN ALL RECORDS when he is done and if he wins a championship, he will be in the top 10 at least. He has a shot a Brett's continuous games started streak although he has quite a ways to go to catch him. Elway did much more with much less and I'm a fan who can't stand Elway. Look at how many Super Bowls he made it to with a bunch of junk.

You sure do change your tune when confronted with facts.

Anyways, Elway had the 3 amigo's playing in the 3 SB's with him. How in the world is that "much less" than what Brett has played with for the last 7-8 years?

Packnut
08-22-2006, 10:10 AM
Manning will OWN ALL RECORDS when he is done and if he wins a championship, he will be in the top 10 at least. He has a shot a Brett's continuous games started streak although he has quite a ways to go to catch him. Elway did much more with much less and I'm a fan who can't stand Elway. Look at how many Super Bowls he made it to with a bunch of junk.

You sure do change your tune when confronted with facts.

Anyways, Elway had the 3 amigo's playing in the 3 SB's with him. How in the world is that "much less" than what Brett has played with for the last 7-8 years?

I guess according to him, that pro bowl RB was junk. :roll: It just speaks volume on his ignorance.

red
08-22-2006, 12:22 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)

His interception rate isn't historically high--despite what bulldog and the Favre haters claim. Throwing 16-17 int/year may sound like a lot, but it really isn't when you throw 580-600 times/year. He's probably around average when compared to other great QBs. His TD rate is the second highest ever though, and his completion percentage is historical high. The fact he ranks third in wins (despite playing in the free agency area), and his team has more wins than any other team during his playing days should tell you all you need to know about Favre (besides the numbers and the streak).

Just to add to the stats:

Bradshaw threw a touchdown every 18.4 attempts. He threw a INT every 18.5 attempt. His TD-INT ratio was 1.01/1.00.

Unitas threw a TD every 17.8 attempts and an INT every 20.5 attempts.His TD-INT ratio was 1.14/1.

Tarkenton 1 TD for 18.9 attempt. 1 INT for every 24.3 attempts.
TD-INT ratio 1.28/1.

Elway 1 TD per 24.1 attempt. 1 INT per 32.8 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.33/1.

Marino 1 TD per 19.9 attempt. 1 INT per 33 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.67/1.

Favre. 1 TD per 19.2 attempts. 1 INT per 29.8 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.55-1.

You can debate forever who the "greatest" ever is, but, to say that Brett Favre doesn't belong near the top of the list defies all logic to me.

i could have saved you guys some time

this was my first thread on this site

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=1439&highlight=

all super bowl winning qb's

name td/ints tds per int

Bart Starr 152/138 1.10
Joe Namath 173/220 .79
Len Dawson 239/183 1.31
Johnny Unitas 290/253 1.15
Roger Staubach 153/109 1.4
Bob Griese 192/172 1.12
Terry Bradshaw 212/210 1.01
Ken Stabler 194/222 .87
Jim Plunkett 164/198 .83
Joe Montana 273/139 1.96
Joe Theismann 160/138 1.16
Jim McMahon 100/90 1.11
Phil Simms 199/157 1.27
Doug Williams 100/93 1.08
Mark Rypien 115/88 1.31
Troy Aikman 165/141 1.09
Steve Young 232/107 2.17
Brett Favre 396/255 1.55
John Elway 300/226 1.33
Kurt Warner 119 /78 1.53
Trent Dilfer 106/117 .91
Tom Brady 123 /66 1.86
Brad Johnson 155/102 1.52
Ben Roethlisberger 34/20 1.70

so by my math favre has thrown 1.55 td's for every int for his career. thats 5th best if you look at all the super bowl winning qb's. only behind some guys named montana, young, brady, and roethlisberger. and with time, and without top notch teams, brady and big bens ratio could drop

then i looked at the top 20 qb's of all time based on attempts

D Marino..........8358.....420/252.....1.66
B Favre............7612.....396/255.....1.55
J Elway.............7250.....300/226.....1.33
W Moon ...........6823.....291/233.....1.25
D Bledsoe ........6548.....244/198.....1.23
V Testaverde.....6526.....269/261.....1.03
F Tarkenton.......6467.....342/266.....1.29
D Fouts ............5604.....254/242.....1.05
J Montana .........5391.....273/139.....1.96
D Krieg ............5311.....261/199.....1.31
B Esiason ..........5205.....247/184.....1.34
J Unitas..............5186.....290/253.....1.15
K Collins ............5082.....173/166.....1.04
J Hart ................5076.....209/247.....0.85
S Deberg ............5024......196/204.....0.96
J Everett .............4923.....203/175.....1.16
J Kelly ................4779.....237/175.....1.35
T Aikman ..........4715.....165/141.....1.17
J Hadl ..............4687.....244/268.....0.91
P Simms ............4647.....199/157.....1.27

woodbuck27
08-22-2006, 12:31 PM
iNTERCEPTIONS PLEASE!

waaaauuunnnnkkk !! :mrgreen:

FAVRE !!!

woodbuck27
08-22-2006, 12:44 PM
b bulldog ??? Favre and ALL his picks ???

From a list of QB's supplied by Forum Members:

BEST: Dan Marino 1 TD per 19.9 attempt. 1 INT per 33 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.67/1.

Next BEST BrettFavre. 1 TD per 19.2 attempts. 1 INT per 29.8 attempt. TD-INT ratio 1.55-1.

Now where will Favre be soon and where does he stand now, compared to Dan Marino - who played his entire career on a very decent Team in very nice weather conditions - compared to the soon to be.....

Frozen Tundraaaa of Lambeauuuu ?

FAVRE ! and the GREEN BAY PACKERS !!!

red
08-22-2006, 02:30 PM
that last bit is a very good point woody, and something that is usually greatly overlooked.

brett played a lot of games in horrible conditions for throwing the ball and still put up very good numbers

pbmax
08-22-2006, 02:44 PM
Terry Bradshaw = 5.38 interception rate (interceptions/100 pass attempts)
210 interceptions in 3901 pass attempts (212 TDs)

Johnny Unitas = 4.88 interception rate
253 interceptions in 5186 pass attempts (290 TDs)

Fran Tarkenton = 4.11 interception rate
266 interceptions in 6467 pass attempts (342 TDs)

Brett Favre = 3.35 interception rate
255 interceptions in 7610 pass attempts (396 TDs)

John Elway = 3.11 interception rate
226 interceptions in 7250 pass attempts (300 TDs)

Dan Marino = 3.02 interception rate
252 interceptions in 8358 pass attempts (420 TDs)



Excellent stats Harv. You know the national media will never go to that depth. When favre retires they will simply say "look, he's #? in interceptions!". Hell, his interception ratio is better than Unitas who many call the greatest quarterback of all time.
C'mon! Favre has gotten glorious attention from the national media for most of his career. Where do you think the conventional wisdom that he's "just haveing fun out there", "plays like a gunslinger" and "throws into windows other QBs wouldn't" come from.

This is THE ESSENCE of conventional wisdom. When things are going well, they are ebullient. And when a nasty bit of contrary information presents itself, its dismissed.

After the 4 and 12 season, both the conventional wisdom and those jealous of the fawning coverage jump to the negative view. The other view is harder to square with recent results, which is all radio talk show hosts (or Rumormill authors) can remember.

People who jump between the two should be eviscerated (yes I am thinking of you Sean Salisbury and you Mike Greenberg, off the top of my head).

People who have been relatively consistent (say Paul Zimmerman of SI, who has been complaining for years) might have something useful to contribute. Although even Z has taken to mostly complaining about media coverage.

Everyone here needs to grow thicker skin.

It reminds me of several Viking fans I know (not Rastak) who believe that the Vikings have never lost a game except due to bad officiating and that the league's officials clearly have it in for them.

pbmax
08-22-2006, 02:54 PM
Brady is like Aikman (winners; accurate; clutch; more QB friendly dink and dunk offenses)
I don't think you can classify the Sid Gilliam/Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs/Norv Turner/Ernie Zampese offense as dink and dunk.

It was a timing based offense and contained ALOT of deep routes. Buckley and Evans weren't being burned by 5 yard comebacks.

This comparison is ludicrous.

pbmax
08-22-2006, 02:56 PM
Manning will OWN ALL RECORDS when he is done and if he wins a championship, he will be in the top 10 at least. He has a shot a Brett's continuous games started streak although he has quite a ways to go to catch him. Elway did much more with much less and I'm a fan who can't stand Elway. Look at how many Super Bowls he made it to with a bunch of junk.

You sure do change your tune when confronted with facts.

Anyways, Elway had the 3 amigo's playing in the 3 SB's with him. How in the world is that "much less" than what Brett has played with for the last 7-8 years?
The three amigos sucked. Vance Johnson was the only decent player.

HarveyWallbangers
08-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Brady is like Aikman (winners; accurate; clutch; more QB friendly dink and dunk offenses)
I don't think you can classify the Sid Gilliam/Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs/Norv Turner/Ernie Zampese offense as dink and dunk.

It was a timing based offense and contained ALOT of deep routes. Buckley and Evans weren't being burned by 5 yard comebacks.

This comparison is ludicrous.

Is that why Aikman averaged under 7 yards/attempt--despite his great completion %? I stand by my opinion. The Cowboys were hardly a down the field passing offense. They had Alvin Harper for awhile, and he could stretch the field--but their offense was based on Michael Irvin (one of the greatest possession receivers of all-time), TE Jay Novacek, and dumpoffs to Moose and Emmitt. Did you watch the Cowboys while Aikman was there? Perhaps you are blinded by the fact that Irvin and Harper could toast Buckley on any route (and often went deep on him). BTW, Evans not so much.

pbmax
08-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Lets look at those glorious Pro Bowlers the Three Amigos!

1986
Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Mark Jackson | 16 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 38 738 19.4 1 |
| Vance Johnson | 12 | 5 15 3.0 0 | 31 363 11.7 2 |
| Clint Sampson | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 21 259 12.3 0 |
| Steve Watson | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 45 699 15.5 3

1987
Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Sam Graddy | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| Mark Jackson | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 26 436 16.8 2 |
| Vance Johnson | 11 | 1 -8 -8.0 0 | 42 684 16.3 7 |
| Ricky Nattiel | 12 | 2 13 6.5 0 | 31 630 20.3 2 |
| Steve Watson | 5 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 11 167 15.2 1

1989
| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
| Mark Jackson | 16 | 5 13 2.6 0 | 28 446 15.9 2 |
| Vance Johnson | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 76 1095 14.4 7 |
| Ricky Nattiel | 8 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 10 183 18.3 1 |
| Mike Young | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 402 18.3 2 |


Anbody want to claim that Mark Jackson, Ricky Nattiel and Vance Johnson were as good as Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman?

pbmax
08-22-2006, 04:03 PM
Is that why Aikman averaged under 7 yards/attempt--despite his great completion %? I stand by my opinion. The Cowboys were hardly a down the field passing offense. They had Alvin Harper for awhile, and he could stretch the field--but their offense was based on Michael Irvin (one of the greatest possession receivers of all-time), TE Jay Novacek, and dumpoffs to Moose and Emmitt. Did you watch the Cowboys while Aikman was there? Perhaps you are blinded by the fact that Irvin and Harper could toast Buckley on any route (and often went deep on him). BTW, Evans not so much.
During the Super Bowl years:

Aikman
Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD
1991 dal | 12 | 237 363 65.3 2754 7.6 11 10 | 16 5 1 |
| 1992 dal | 16 | 302 473 63.8 3445 7.3 23 14 | 37 105 1 |
| 1993 dal | 14 | 271 392 69.1 3100 7.9 15 6 | 32 125 0 |
| 1994 dal | 14 | 233 361 64.5 2676 7.4 13 12 | 30 62 1 |
| 1995 dal | 16 | 280 432 64.8 3304 7.6 16 7 | 21 32 1
Average for these 5 years: 7.56
Career Avg.: 7.0

Favre
1995 gnb | 16 | 359 570 63.0 4413 7.7 38 13 | 39 181 3 |
| 1996 gnb | 16 | 325 543 59.9 3899 7.2 39 13 | 49 136 2 |
| 1997 gnb | 16 | 304 513 59.3 3867 7.5 35 16 | 58 187 1 |
| 1998 gnb | 16 | 347 551 63.0 4212 7.6 31 23 | 40 133 1 |
Average for four years:7.5
Career Avg.: 7.0

Elway
1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 | 51 253 0 |
| 1986 den | 16 | 280 504 55.6 3485 6.9 19 13 | 52 257 1 |
| 1987 den | 12 | 224 410 54.6 3198 7.8 19 12 | 66 304 4 |
| 1988 den | 15 | 274 496 55.2 3309 6.7 17 19 | 54 234 1 |
| 1989 den | 15 | 223 416 53.6 3051 7.3 18 18 | 48 244 3
Avg. for five years: 7.02
Career Avg.: 7.1

Brady
2001 nwe | 15 | 264 413 63.9 2843 6.9 18 12 | 36 43 0 |
| 2002 nwe | 16 | 373 601 62.1 3764 6.3 28 14 | 42 110 1 |
| 2003 nwe | 16 | 317 527 60.2 3620 6.9 23 12 | 42 63 1 |
| 2004 nwe | 16 | 288 474 60.8 3692 7.8 28 14 | 43 28 0 |
| 2005 nwe | 16 | 334 530 63.0 4110 7.8 26 14 | 27 89 1
Avg. for five years: 7.14
Career Avg.: 7.1

Accoring to Harvey, Elway was a career dinker and dunker before Mike Shanahan. :wink:

HarveyWallbangers
08-22-2006, 04:18 PM
Elway's low numbers can be attributed to his below average completion %--which was a result of an offense that went down field more. Actually, you could argue that Favre, Brady, Aikman, Young, Montana, etc. all played in a dink and dunk offense.

Patler
08-22-2006, 05:26 PM
Statistically, Marino is the only one that compares to Favre. There are several that belong in the talk of best ever based on team success (Starr, Bradshaw, Aikman, Graham, now Brady, etc.). There are only a handful that have both the stats and a championship. In my mind, those are the ones at the top. Those are Montana, Elway, Unitas, Favre.

Manning is like Marino (great passers; no title)
Favre is like Elway (great arms; good mobility; tough; leaders)
Brady is like Aikman (winners; accurate; clutch; more QB friendly dink and dunk offenses)

With another title, Brady can move into that Starr, Bradshaw, maybe even Montana class. With one title, Manning can move from Marino to the Elway/Favre class.

One thing separates Manning from Elway, Favre, Marino, etc. Their team mates regularly talked about Elway and Marino being great leaders, and of course past and present Packers do about Favre. Team mates look to them, follow them and feel they always have a chance. Thier teammates play better for them and because of them.

I have never once read an article or heard a player rave about Manning's leadership. I've often wondered if his teammates even like him or respect him, especially after his comments about his line last year.