Interesting streak in the Packers/Bears series

[Patler]

The Bears have not scored in the first quarter against the Packers in the last 10 games.


Sunday, the Packers equaled an accomplishment last seen during the days of George Trafton, Laurie Walquist, Verne Lewellen and Lavvie Dilweg (1928-31). They shut out the Bears in the first quarter for a 10th straight time.

[pbmax]

Now that is old school. I don't even recognize the names. Except the ancestor of Anthony Dilweg.

[RashanGary]

High scoring era too.


Packers are 4 wins away from evening the all-time series. Which is nuts since we've made up something like 25 games in the Favre-AR era already. You know the Bears hold that as a proud accomplishment. They're the only team left from the first teams in the NFL. The Packers joined in year two. The Bears bounced around and changed names. The Packers have been the GB Packers from day one.

Either way, they're the two most historic franchises in NFL history and I'm sure both teams consider that series a meaningful part of their history. For us to overtake them would be a huge punch in the nuts for those annoying-ass Bears fans and their organization. Would be nice to have a little longest series in NFL history plaque in the HOF with us holding the advantage.

Remember when they made us accept the George Halas trophy in the lockerroom instead of on the field? Well, it would be great to walk on their field and take this from them too.

[George Cumby]

High scoring era too.


Packers are 4 wins away from evening the all-time series. Which is nuts since we've made up something like 25 games in the Favre-AR era already.



That is astounding. I remember comparing the two and thinking that would always be out of reach. All I can say is RESIGN LOVIE!

[Pugger]

Now that is old school. I don't even recognize the names. Except the ancestor of Anthony Dilweg.

I've heard of Verne Lewellen.

[Pugger]

High scoring era too.


Packers are 4 wins away from evening the all-time series. Which is nuts since we've made up something like 25 games in the Favre-AR era already. You know the Bears hold that as a proud accomplishment. They're the only team left from the first teams in the NFL. The Packers joined in year two. The Bears bounced around and changed names. The Packers have been the GB Packers from day one.

Either way, they're the two most historic franchises in NFL history and I'm sure both teams consider that series a meaningful part of their history. For us to overtake them would be a huge punch in the nuts for those annoying-ass Bears fans and their organization. Would be nice to have a little longest series in NFL history plaque in the HOF with us holding the advantage.

Remember when they made us accept the George Halas trophy in the lockerroom instead of on the field? Well, it would be great to walk on their field and take this from them too.

Aren't the Cardinals another one of the original franchises? I read somewhere that the Cards are the oldest continuous franchise in the league.

[RashanGary]

Aren't the Cardinals another one of the original franchises? I read somewhere that the Cards are the oldest continuous franchise in the league.

You know what, I read up on the history of NFL teams last year. As soon as I wrote that, they crossed my mind. Should have looked back.

[Patler]

Aren't the Cardinals another one of the original franchises? I read somewhere that the Cards are the oldest continuous franchise in the league.

These things all depend on what you look at. The Chicago Bears today were the Decatur Staleys then, and the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals. The Packers franchise is just as old, formed in 1919 when the league was born, but the Packers didn't actually start playing until two years later, in 1921. The Bears and Staleys started playing in the league in 1920.

So are the Chicago Bears, oops, I mean the Cardinals, really older than the Packers? Are the Staleys, oops, I mean Bears (but aren't they the Cardinals???) really older than the Packers?

Are the Bears/Cardinals and Staleys/Bears older just because they began playing a year earlier, although they and the Packers were all formed the same year?

[pbmax]

These things all depend on what you look at. The Chicago Bears today were the Decatur Staleys then, and the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals. The Packers franchise is just as old, formed in 1919 when the league was born, but the Packers didn't actually start playing until two years later, in 1921. The Bears and Staleys started playing in the league in 1920.

So are the Chicago Bears, oops, I mean the Cardinals, really older than the Packers? Are the Staleys, oops, I mean Bears (but aren't they the Cardinals???) really older than the Packers?

Are the Bears/Cardinals and Staleys/Bears older just because they began playing a year earlier, although they and the Packers were all formed the same year?

Did Halas have a hand in kicking them out of the original League for a year after the 1919 season?

[Smidgeon]

High scoring era too.


Packers are 4 wins away from evening the all-time series. Which is nuts since we've made up something like 25 games in the Favre-AR era already. You know the Bears hold that as a proud accomplishment. They're the only team left from the first teams in the NFL. The Packers joined in year two. The Bears bounced around and changed names. The Packers have been the GB Packers from day one.

Either way, they're the two most historic franchises in NFL history and I'm sure both teams consider that series a meaningful part of their history. For us to overtake them would be a huge punch in the nuts for those annoying-ass Bears fans and their organization. Would be nice to have a little longest series in NFL history plaque in the HOF with us holding the advantage.

Remember when they made us accept the George Halas trophy in the lockerroom instead of on the field? Well, it would be great to walk on their field and take this from them too.

I remembered that as the Packers' decision. Am I misremembering?

[Patler]

Did Halas have a hand in kicking them out of the original League for a year after the 1919 season?

I think that came later, didn't it?

[denverYooper]

PackerRats seems to be the best Packers Board in terms of drifting off into these little history lessons. Not that I pay much mind to other sites, but in occasional dalliances with other boards I just don't see it occurring as often if ever.

I like it, especially given that the team has such a rich legacy.

[woodbuck27]

Aren't the Cardinals another one of the original franchises? I read somewhere that the Cards are the oldest continuous franchise in the league.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals

" The Arizona Cardinals are a professional American football team whose team facilities are headquartered in Glendale, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. They are currently members of the Western Division of the National Football Conference (NFC) in the National Football League (NFL). The Cardinals were founded in 1898, and are the oldest continuously run professional American football club in the United States.[1]

The team was established in Chicago in 1898 and was a charter member of the NFL in 1920. Along with the Chicago Bears, the club is one of two NFL charter member franchises still in operation since the league's founding. " Fr. LINK

[woodbuck27]

These things all depend on what you look at. The Chicago Bears today were the Decatur Staleys then, and the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals. The Packers franchise is just as old, formed in 1919 when the league was born, but the Packers didn't actually start playing until two years later, in 1921. The Bears and Staleys started playing in the league in 1920.

So are the Chicago Bears, oops, I mean the Cardinals, really older than the Packers? Are the Staleys, oops, I mean Bears (but aren't they the Cardinals???) really older than the Packers?

Are the Bears/Cardinals and Staleys/Bears older just because they began playing a year earlier, although they and the Packers were all formed the same year?

" the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals " Patler

Are you sure of that Patler?

My research indicates that 'the BEARS' were never called 'the Cardinals' or vice versa.

The Chicago Bears ( the former Decatur Staleys ) and Chicago Cardinals ( now the Arizona Cardinals ) are the 'only' remaining charter members of the original founding of the NFL (1920).

The Green Bay Packers are the third-oldest franchise in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers, founded 1919, is the oldest NFL franchise in continuous operation 'with the same name in the same location'. They joined the American Professional Football Association (APFA) in 1921, the forerunner to what is known today as the National Football League (NFL).


Which current NFL team can trace it's lineage back further in history?

The Arizona Cardinals were founded in 1898, and are credited as the oldest continuously run professional American football club in the United States. The Green Bay Packers can trace their lineage to other semi-professional teams in Green Bay dating back to 1896.

[KYPack]

"George Trafton, Laurie Walquist, Verne Lewellen and Lavvie Dilweg "

Wasn't Laurie Walquist Lori Nickle's sister?

[woodbuck27]

"George Trafton, Laurie Walquist, Verne Lewellen and Lavvie Dilweg "

Wasn't Laurie Walquist Lori Nickle's sister?

Hi KY:

I was researching this question above when I came upon ** this (see LINK below) NFL football thread... and Lori Nickle will be very surprized if Laurie Walquist is her sister and even more........confused.

See LINK for some old memories; some Packerrats alumnai nostalgia.

Here's one of the thread entries:

KYPack ... 05-15-2006, 05:17 PM

Well Tank,

It's a consensus. Everyone thinks you are a fool.

Keep posting your broken record posts. But nobody is listening.

Post when you get a clue.

Love,KY

** http://packerrats.com/archive/index.php/t-940.html

Full version of this thread:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?940-Lori-Nickle-Ted-Thompson-GM-Seatle-Seahawks

PACKERRATS !!

[HarveyWallbangers]

These things all depend on what you look at. The Chicago Bears today were the Decatur Staleys then, and the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals. The Packers franchise is just as old, formed in 1919 when the league was born, but the Packers didn't actually start playing until two years later, in 1921. The Bears and Staleys started playing in the league in 1920.

So are the Chicago Bears, oops, I mean the Cardinals, really older than the Packers? Are the Staleys, oops, I mean Bears (but aren't they the Cardinals???) really older than the Packers?

Are the Bears/Cardinals and Staleys/Bears older just because they began playing a year earlier, although they and the Packers were all formed the same year?

I thought I read that the Packers are actually one year older than the NFL? Their first game was against the Menominee North End. It was a year or two later when they joined the NFL. I could be wrong, but I remember reading that awhile back.

[denverYooper]

"George Trafton, Laurie Walquist, Verne Lewellen and Lavvie Dilweg "

Wasn't Laurie Walquist Lori Nickle's sister?

I had an old section boss on the RR who used to say "they're all sisters upside down".

[KYPack]

I thought I read that the Packers are actually one year older than the NFL? Their first game was against the Menominee North End. It was a year or two later when they joined the NFL. I could be wrong, but I remember reading that awhile back.

The Green Bay city team was started in 1895 by a guy named Fred Hulbert. In 1917, a high school kid named Curly Lambeau played for the Green Bay team in an all-star game. In 1919, Lambeau had dropped out of Notre Dame and got his company to sponsor the Green Bay team. The city team was called the Packers because of the sponsorship. Lambeau built the team into a powerhouse & in 1921 the Green Bay Packers joined the NFL (then called the American Professional Football Association).

If you are interested in the history of the Packers by all means read a book called "Before They Were the Packers". it details all the wild history of town team football in Wisconsin and the UP. There was some great stuff happening in a time few people ever hear about today.

[pbmax]

OK, did some digging. The NFL had a forerunner named the APFA (the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, of course).

APFA formed in 1920 and had several forerunner NFL teams like the Canton Bulldogs, Decatur Staleys, Chicago Cardinals and the New York Brickley Giants*. Also had the greatest professional team name ever: the Tonawanda Kardex. The Kardex Killers, as they were known, were famous for their natty uniforms worn with an onion on their belt as was the fashion in those days. Unfortunately, the Killers only played one official League game before folding.

The early League was more or less a gentleman's agreement not to steal players as each team setup its own schedule and played locally, usually against the Little Sisters of the Poor. In some ways, their scheduling resembles modern day, big-time college athletics.

The NFL was formed in 1921, after wise minds concluded they couldn't afford to repeat the mistakes that cost them the Kardex.

Packers were formed on August 11, 1919. On August 12, 1919, Curly Lambeau had a bake sale in his driveway to raise funds to keep the team afloat after Curly got carried away with fancy lettering on the jerseys that the Indian Packing Company refused to cover. Seems they thought plain lettering would be just fine, thank you very much.

By 1921, the successful 2 season start for the team induced a few backers to cough up the cash to let Curly purchase a franchise in the NFL. Packers went 3-2 in League recognized games and promptly folded at the end of the season. Some more pigeons (ahh - shareholders) were found and Curly was able to repurchase the franchise back form the NFL for $250.

The Chicago Tribune revealed that several Notre Dame football players were playing for the Packers in a December game in 1921. There was disagreement in the League whether this ought to be allowed (the players played under assumed names to avoid jeopardizing their amateur status -- despite this, it was very common) and Halas was known to be against it. However, it should be noted that Halas was reported to be heavily involved in the newspaper coverage of his team and many link the coverage of the scandal in the Chicago Tribune directly or indirectly to Halas. His motivation? One of the players, Hartley "Hunk" Anderson had played his last down of football with Notre Dame the previous season. he was still in school and playing hockey. After the League suspended the Packers early in 1922**, Halas signed Anderson to play for the Bears.

The Packers were reinstated by the start of the 1922 season, minus one Hank Anderson. So the Packers have not technically been members of the League for 92+ consecutive years (its only 91). But they might be an older organization than the Bears. Halas ran the AE Staley football team starting in 1920. He was encouraged to take over the entire thing in 1921 and move to Chicago with the formation of the NFL. He named them the Bears in 1922.


* There is no direct connection from these Giants to the current Giants except that after Brickley's Giants folded following two non-consectutive seasons, the owner Gibson referred the fledgling NFL to his friend Tim Mara, who did in fact organize the Giants team you know today. That first team had four great nose guards who were known to terrorize the wingback whenever it looked like he might launch a forward lateral. It also proves that old adage, that its not important what you know, its who you know. That and $250 of cold, hard cash.

** The Packer.com website and other sources date both the suspension of the franchise AND the first financial trouble to the offseason after the 1921 season. Its a bit confusing about how the League could suspend a forfeited franchise.

[Pugger]

These things all depend on what you look at. The Chicago Bears today were the Decatur Staleys then, and the then Chicago Bears are the present day Cardinals. The Packers franchise is just as old, formed in 1919 when the league was born, but the Packers didn't actually start playing until two years later, in 1921. The Bears and Staleys started playing in the league in 1920.

So are the Chicago Bears, oops, I mean the Cardinals, really older than the Packers? Are the Staleys, oops, I mean Bears (but aren't they the Cardinals???) really older than the Packers?

Are the Bears/Cardinals and Staleys/Bears older just because they began playing a year earlier, although they and the Packers were all formed the same year?

I did a little digging and no, the Decatur Staleys became the Chicago Bears. The Chicago Cardinals are a different franchise and they actually started in 1898!

http://www.azcardinals.com/history/franchise.html

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/chicago/bears.html

Our Packers are the second oldest club in the league but we didn't join the NFL until 1921.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Football_League