Barclay - Interesting article

[Patler]

From JSO:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers03-o487ug0-185491551.html

Another Mark Tauscher perhaps? Does it kind of ugly, but gets it done.

Article gives an interesting tryout comparison to Bulaga:


...Barclay ran 40 yards in 5.05 seconds and had a 29½-inch vertical jump to go with massive 10 7/8-inch hands and 33 3/8 arms. Bulaga's corresponding numbers were 5.23, 27½, 9¼ and 33¼.

Could set up some interesting competitions next year. Can Bulaga move back to LT? Is Barclay a legitimate starter long term? What about Sherrod, where will he fit? People keep wanting to write off Newhouse, but he persists. They might enter camp with four capable tackles. Will two become more than just capable to give the Packers a solid line in the image of the Clifton-Wahle-Flanagan-Rivera-Tauscher mold?

[denverYooper]

It'll be interesting to see how he responds this week.

[RashanGary]

From JSO

Article gives an interesting tryout comparison to Bulaga.

I skipped over that one last night. Don't know why.

The Packers could be pretty solid at tackle next year. Sherrod, if he's a worker, should be a full 100% and in great shape. He should understand our pass protection and run scheme. It's another thing to get in there and do it full speed, but he should be far ahead of a rookie that way. His technique is going to take time, but if he's not starting out of the gate next year, he could have a full TC and possibly a big part of the season, if not the full season to continue to get physically stronger and fundamentally sound.


EDS has played well. Aaron seems to really like him. I'm sure at least one of our tackles could swing in and play guard. A little depth inside and our line looks pretty good next season. Maybe not superstuds, but a lot of NFL caliber guys 1-7 or 8. And young.

It opens Ted up to not pay a fortune down the road too. We keep talking about salary decisions. Having extra lineman in the wings goes a long way to saving a few million dollars per year.

[rbaloha1]

Yes, very good article with an excellent analysis.

Maybe another Tauscher is correct.

[Fritz]

I skipped over that one last night. Don't know why.

The Packers could be pretty solid at tackle next year. Sherrod, if he's a worker, should be a full 100% and in great shape. He should understand our pass protection and run scheme. It's another thing to get in there and do it full speed, but he should be far ahead of a rookie that way. His technique is going to take time, but if he's not starting out of the gate next year, he could have a full TC and possibly a big part of the season, if not the full season to continue to get physically stronger and fundamentally sound.


EDS has played well. Aaron seems to really like him. I'm sure at least one of our tackles could swing in and play guard. A little depth inside and our line looks pretty good next season. Maybe not superstuds, but a lot of NFL caliber guys 1-7 or 8. And young.

It opens Ted up to not pay a fortune down the road too. We keep talking about salary decisions. Having extra lineman in the wings goes a long way to saving a few million dollars per year.

In reading the article, it did seem to me that the suggestion was that Barclay might be more than a stopgap. This surprised me, but if it's more t han a fluff piece, it does open up some interesting possibilities, with Bulaga potentially moving to the left side. And with Sherrod coming back to compete - and JH is right I think about where he will be in his development (and he should have had plenty of time to gain weight and strength, which were initial concerns, I think) - the competition next summer could be fierce. This makes me wonder if TT will still draft a LT. I do think he's still going to draft a center - at least I hope so. Maybe a guard, too.

Ah, who knows. He'll probably draft a wide receiver in the second round or something, and we'll all scream bloody murder. I remembe wondering who the hell Greg Jennings was.

[Pugger]

Barclay is really scrappy and is busting his tail but he isn't Bulaga.

[red]

boy would it be really nice to have 4 good tackles competing in camp next year

especially since we have none right now

[Fritz]

Well said, Red. Thanks for keeping it real!

I guess it's too early for my offseason fantasizing.

[KYPack]

He had a meltdown vs Minny last week. It will be interesting to see if he can hold his own Saturday.

He needs to work on his punch and his kick step. He's a club fighter, he ain't pretty, but he wades right in there.

[Fritz]

I have to say that at the risk of a jinx, I thought the Marshmallow held up pretty well. He seemed to hold his blocks longer than he used to.

As for Barclay, we better hope he's a quick study.

And by the way, did anyone notice that Rodgers kinda had to explain a lot of shit to DuJuan Harris before each play? The kid still doesn't really know the offense. That's got to be limiting.

[mraynrand]

He had a meltdown vs Minny last week. It will be interesting to see if he can hold his own Saturday.

He needs to work on his punch and his kick step. He's a club fighter, he ain't pretty, but he wades right in there.


I missed the meltdown. I guess I'll have to re-watch the tape. But that extra 1/8 inch in wingspan gives him the decided advantage over Bulaga. Stubby little Barney arms just don't cut it at tackle.

[woodbuck27]

I have to say that at the risk of a jinx, I thought the Marshmallow held up pretty well. He seemed to hold his blocks longer than he used to.

As for Barclay, we better hope he's a quick study.

And by the way, did anyone notice that Rodgers kinda had to explain a lot of shit to DuJuan Harris before each play? The kid still doesn't really know the offense. That's got to be limiting.

I'm re-tapeing that game this evening on NFL Access 'without the commercial breaks' and will watch for that Fritz.

I felt that Aaron Rodgers seemed distracted and uptight in that game, early.

Once he dialed in and saw the work in front of him he delivered though. I trust Aaron Rodgers. I hope our teams HC gives him some lead early Saturday evening. I'm hoping to see some hurry up/no huddle offense. So much heat on the Viking 'D' their heads are busting.

GO PACKERS !

[pbmax]

McGinn had Outhouse down for a good game against Jared Allen.

[KYPack]

I missed the meltdown. I guess I'll have to re-watch the tape. But that extra 1/8 inch in wingspan gives him the decided advantage over Bulaga. Stubby little Barney arms just don't cut it at tackle.

The Vikes played two DE's over Barclay. Both had success, Brian Robison and Everson Griffen each got a sack. The meltdown occurred against Griffen. The young DE began to totally dominate the rookie RT from WVA. Barclay lost his confidence and began to panic. He's got the short week to prepare, let's see how he handles it.

Bulaga went thru a similar stretch early this season. It's a game of match-ups and adjustments, now it's Barclay's turn.

[Fritz]

I am curious to see how this plays out. It appeared to me that Rodgers had to do a lot of 'splainen to DuJuan Harris before the snap - will MM play Harris as much if Barclay needs help Saturday night?

[mmmdk]

Milwaukee for a tackle!

[pbmax]

Milwaukee for a tackle!

I think Kevin Barry was from Racine.

[mmmdk]

I think Kevin Barry was from Racine.

Milwaukee for a tackle as in a kingdom for a horse! What's in Racine anyway? Worth a visit?

[pbmax]

Milwaukee for a tackle as in a kingdom for a horse! What's in Racine anyway? Worth a visit?

Yes, I know what you meant. But to answer the interesting question of what to see in Racine, not sure if any historical places exist for this in Racine proper (there is a marker in Miwaukee see wiki below), but the one thing I know was its role in the Underground Railway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Glover

Joshua Glover escaped from Missouri and settled (I believe) in Racine which had an active Railway contingent. His former owner found him and tried, through the Fugitive Slave Act, to retrieve him. As part of the proceedings, he was arrested in Racine by federal officials and taken to a Milwaukee jail. He was then freed from the Milwaukee jail by a mob of 5,000 and escorted to Canada. It sounds like a bad Get Smart TV plot, but actually happened.

In these days, Racine had a large population of Unitarians from the Northeast who tended to be (and in this case were) abolitionists.

There then lead to the spectacle of both the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the WI Legislature declaring the Fugitive Slave Law unconstitutional and null and void in WI.

The only other thing I know is that the only boat slips anywhere near Chicago that are affordable were in Racine, but that may have changed. Haven't talked to the family that knew about this in a long time.

[mraynrand]

... It sounds like a bad Get Smart TV plot, but actually happened.

Of course! It's the old professor Peter Peckinpah, all-purpose, anti-personell, Pekinpah pocket pistol under the toupe trick!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Racine has good kringles. That's about it.

[run pMc]

Nah...Barclay and Bulaga are RT's. I think TT plans on Sherrod coming back and competing against Newhouse. I expect him to draft a C, cut Saturday, and have draft pick and EDS fight it out in TC.
Of course, this means TT will draft a WR.

Bulaga at LT would struggle with the athletes IMO...they havegiven him trouble in the past. Bruce Irvin gave him fits.
Wouldn't surprise me if they draft another tackle, try him at guard, and ruin 'em. A few years later Seattle and that jerk Carroll claims off waivers & turns into an All-Pro.

Is Van Roten the heir apparent to EDS as swing guy at C-G?

[Guiness]

Everyone laughs about TT drafting a WR, but that's because we would all laugh and roll our eyes.

Funniest thing he could do, from my seat is draft a QB in the first! I'd laugh my ass off waiting for this forum to explode if he did that!!! :satan:

[Packers4Glory]

Barclay's pass protection needs lots of work.

[Joemailman]

He had a meltdown vs Minny last week. It will be interesting to see if he can hold his own Saturday.

He needs to work on his punch and his kick step. He's a club fighter, he ain't pretty, but he wades right in there.

Was he slow on the snap? Sometimes playing in the dome for the first time with the noise level can be a challenge for an OT.

[KYPack]

Was he slow on the snap? Sometimes playing in the dome for the first time with the noise level can be a challenge for an OT.

I'm gonna watch the replay & I can tell you for sure Joe.

From memory, he was getting beat and went into a shell, playing flat footed and tentative.

I gotta give the kid a break, a CFA making the roster, then starting on the road in a big game?

He had a poor game coming, let's see how he rebounds.

[RUnuts]

I live in Sturtevant, a suburb of the Racine metropolis. Geographically it's great I'm 20 minutes from Milwaukee and 50 minutes from Shitcago without the hassles of daily rush hour bullshit. Other than that not so much, although Racine has a great shoreline.

[mmmdk]

Thanks, pbmax!

[run pMc]

Everyone laughs about TT drafting a WR, but that's because we would all laugh and roll our eyes.

Funniest thing he could do, from my seat is draft a QB in the first! I'd laugh my ass off waiting for this forum to explode if he did that!!!

Yeah, I don't see any of the QB's coming out as worth spending GB's R1 on...Coleman should get better and push Harrell, who does not impress me. With Jennings and Driver probably on their way out, I wouldn't be surprised if TT drafts a WR early. As much fun as it is to guess what TT will do, I have no idea. I am least surprised when he does something I hadn't even considered.

Datko might get better and push for a tackle spot. McGinn seems to love EDS, who knows if he's the answer at C, but I think Saturday is gone too. Even with all these guys, the OL isn't that great...Rodgers was sacked 51 times this year (a league high I believe). If that keeps up they will need to draft a high-round QB.

[mraynrand]

Everyone laughs about TT drafting a WR, but that's because we would all laugh and roll our eyes.

Funniest thing he could do, from my seat is draft a QB in the first! I'd laugh my ass off waiting for this forum to explode if he did that!!! :satan:

A QB at #32 is not necessarily a bad pick. Rodgers is nearing 30, and Harrell can't hand the ball off, much less complete a pass. Unless they are really high on http://hotdogjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/coleman.jpg?w=96&h=96, they could use a decent developmental guy with round one talent who might have to take over in 2-3 years.