Thank goodness...

[rbaloha1]

MM is not persuaded by a moronic rat poll asking if it is a fad and the comments about the minor tweaks. I know its McGinn and 99 percent of the rats breakdown game tape and speak to scouts thus they have superior knowledge to the naive McGinn.:crazy:
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/readoption-school-will-be-in-session-048spga-192638491.html

[Bretsky]

MM is not persuaded by a moronic rat poll asking if it is a fad and the comments about the minor tweaks. I know its McGinn and 99 percent of the rats breakdown game tape and speak to scouts thus they have superior knowledge to the naive McGinn.:crazy:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/readoption-school-will-be-in-session-048spga-192638491.html:bang:

link does not work for me

[rbaloha1]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/readoption-school-will-be-in-session-048spga-192638491.html

[rbaloha1]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130222/PKR01/130222088/McCarthy-makes-read-option-defense-priority?nclick_check=1

another source

[Smeefers]

I really like this move. I read a similar article on ESPN. There, they mentioned that it was common for NFL coaches to consult College coaches, but it's nice to actually hear a candid response to an obvious problem with the defense. It's better than firing a guy, especially one who's had great success, avoiding a coaching carousel that kills a lot of teams.

[rbaloha1]

I really like this move. I read a similar article on ESPN. There, they mentioned that it was common for NFL coaches to consult College coaches, but it's nice to actually hear a candid response to an obvious problem with the defense. It's better than firing a guy, especially one who's had great success, avoiding a coaching carousel that kills a lot of teams.

Yup. It is nice the NFL arrogance of "you can not run that college stuff in the NFL" is diminishing.

[pbmax]

Thanks for the type size for those of us with failing vision.

That poll and thread you mention was pretty evenhanded in its comments. Only a couple of posters thought it would be completely gone like the wildcat if you go by posted comments. As for the vote, if you split up people into only two choices, you lose a lot of nuance, sort of like your lead post here.

I bet everyone who posted on that thread thinks this is an entirely rational move. McCarthy is also bringing in some college guys to Green Bay.

[rbaloha1]

Thanks for the type size for those of us with failing vision.

That poll and thread you mention was pretty evenhanded in its comments. Only a couple of posters thought it would be completely gone like the wildcat if you go by posted comments. As for the vote, if you split up people into only two choices, you lose a lot of nuance, sort of like your lead post here.

I bet everyone who posted on that thread thinks this is an entirely rational move. McCarthy is also bringing in some college guys to Green Bay.

Thank goodness -- it would be pathetic if the butt wiping brigade reemerged LOL:shock:

[MadtownPacker]

Thank goodness -- it would be pathetic if the butt wiping brigade reemerged LOL:shock:
Get that fucking article out of this thread and replace it with a link that works. Articles are never suppose to be posted just linked. If you can't do that let me know.

[Patler]

MM is not persuaded by a moronic rat poll asking if it is a fad and the comments about the minor tweaks. I know its McGinn and 99 percent of the rats breakdown game tape and speak to scouts thus they have superior knowledge to the naive McGinn.:crazy:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/readoption-school-will-be-in-session-048spga-192638491.html:bang:

I don't understand your criticism about the poll and our members comments.

Those who see it as a fad that will fade frequently opined that NFL DCs will learn how to defend it, the QBs will take a beating and come up frequently injured (like Vick, but maybe even more so) and there won't be enough multi-talented QBs to be real threats throwing, running and throwing on the run to make it prevalent.

Isn't MM sending coaches to learn how to defense it just part of the scenario that could lead to its fade from relevance?

[rbaloha1]

The Spin Zone continues...

[Patler]

If you are replying to me, if you have the poll thread handy, please link it. I would be interested in re-reading the commentary.

My recollection is as I wrote above. Most thought it would turn out the same as many other abrupt offensive changes in the NFL have for the last 50+ years that I have been watching it. It works extremely well when first unleashed, defenses "catch-up" to it, then it either fades away completely or settles back to much less prominent use.

....and what "spin" are you referring to?

[rbaloha1]

If you are replying to me, if you have the poll thread handy, please link it. I would be interested in re-reading the commentary.

My recollection is as I wrote above. Most thought it would turn out the same as many other abrupt offensive changes in the NFL have for the last 50+ years that I have been watching it. It works extremely well when first unleashed, defenses "catch-up" to it, then it either fades away completely or settles back to much less prominent use.

....and what "spin" are you referring to?

What is your official position?

[denverYooper]

Lol.

[Patler]

What is your official position?

About what, the read-option or your commentary? :)

I don't have an "official position", just a fan's opinion. As a fan, I reserve the right to change my opinion as I learn more about the subject that my opinion is based on.

My current opinion about the read-option? - It will get a lot of use by select teams next year, but DC's will learn how to defense it. In the future, teams with a perfect QB for it will use it some, but not as their primary focus. Other teams will dabble with it.

[rbaloha1]

About what, the read-option or your commentary? :)

I don't have an "official position", just a fan's opinion. As a fan, I reserve the right to change my opinion as I learn more about the subject that my opinion is based on.

My current opinion about the read-option? - It will get a lot of use by select teams next year, but DC's will learn how to defense it. In the future, teams with a perfect QB for it will use it some, but not as their primary focus. Other teams will dabble with it.

No need to get testy brah

[Patler]

No need to get testy brah

Testy? Who is getting testy?

[MadtownPacker]

No need to get testy brah
My official position is doggy style so probably best not to fuck with me. You got a lot of nerve crying about people being testy when you start a thread calling them out.

[swede]

^
Somewhere Harlan's ears just pricked up at the sound of a distant dog whistle.

[pbmax]

Weird news. Texas A&M did not run a read option until the end of their season, and then not prominently until their Bowl Game. And they faced no option SEC teams except Ole Miss and Mizzou who did run Read O. However, that gives their D coaches about as much experience as the Packers D coaches if that is the extent of it. Sumlin apparently ran Air Raid for his passing offense and Manziel complemented that by running on scrambles like a man possessed. Smart Football said Read Option not a part of their repertoire until end of season and Bowl Game.

This article, http://t.co/AJATccuDtR, makes the case that the Aggies had installed and practiced it for some time and that it simply did not make its presence known until later in the season. We'll see.

I hope McCarthy has other sources. Apparently he and Sumlin are buddies through the Slocum family connection, but sending your D staff down there seems a bit of a stretch. He has two people in the state who saw more pistol and possibly more read option in Andersen and Aranda now at UW-Madison and needed to defend against it.

[pbmax]

Thread that got called out is here: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?25105-Read-option-fad-or-future

[rbaloha1]

Weird news. Texas A&M did not run a read option until the end of their season, and then not prominently until their Bowl Game. And they faced no option SEC teams except Ole Miss and Mizzou who did run Read O. However, that gives their D coaches about as much experience as the Packers D coaches if that is the extent of it. Sumlin apparently ran Air Raid for his passing offense and Manziel complemented that by running on scrambles like a man possessed. Smart Football said Read Option not a part of their repertoire until end of season and Bowl Game.

This article, http://t.co/AJATccuDtR, makes the case that the Aggies had installed and practiced it for some time and that it simply did not make its presence known until later in the season. We'll see.

I hope McCarthy has other sources. Apparently he and Sumlin are buddies through the Slocum family connection, but sending your D staff down there seems a bit of a stretch. He has two people in the state who saw more pistol and possibly more read option in Andersen and Aranda now at UW-Madison and needed to defend it.


Interesting. I posted last month about Aranda having good success defending the pistol and option while coaching at the University of Hawaii and facing CK at least 3 times.

What is it with A&M, Mike Sherman, etc.

[pbmax]

Sherman got there first and had some Slocum love. Not sure how Shawn Slocum came to haunt our ST nightmares but M3 clearly thinks the world of him. And M3 met Sumlin though the Slocum family and they are now friendly.

And don't M3's daughter and I am guessing ex-wife/baby mama live in Texas?

Maybe M3's baby mama is a Slocum and Shawn was a payback hire?

If that last bit is true then Fritz and I should have followed through and kidnapped Shawn. We would have been gainfully employed by A&M by now plus M3 would owe us a favor and we could get a kicking consultant hired for Crosby.

[Pugger]

I don't understand your criticism about the poll and our members comments.

Those who see it as a fad that will fade frequently opined that NFL DCs will learn how to defend it, the QBs will take a beating and come up frequently injured (like Vick, but maybe even more so) and there won't be enough multi-talented QBs to be real threats throwing, running and throwing on the run to make it prevalent.

Isn't MM sending coaches to learn how to defense it just part of the scenario that could lead to its fade from relevance?

This is what I was thinking...

[RashanGary]

My official position is doggy style so probably best not to fuck with me. You got a lot of nerve crying about people being testy when you start a thread calling them out.

http://realfoodfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2012-12-31-at-5.38.16-PM.png

SCARRRRY!!!!!!

[RashanGary]

My valuable prediction is that it will eventually be used sparingly in the regular season (like Patler said, maybe some teams with a QB who dominates with it will do it more)

I think the bigger trend is going to be for QB's to get faster over time and scramble a lot more in the playoffs when teams and players are willing to take more risks.

[Iron Mike]

Testy? Who is getting testy?

Platerized. :)

[rbaloha1]

Testy? Who is getting testy?

You were.

[rbaloha1]

http://realfoodfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2012-12-31-at-5.38.16-PM.png

SCARRRRY!!!!!!

This is what I call testy!

[rbaloha1]

:bs2:
Platerized. :)

Please tin man.

[rbaloha1]

My valuable prediction is that it will eventually be used sparingly in the regular season (like Patler said, maybe some teams with a QB who dominates with it will do it more)

I think the bigger trend is going to be for QB's to get faster over time and scramble a lot more in the playoffs when teams and players are willing to take more risks.

What does sparingly mean? Is it enough to determine winning vs. losing?

[woodbuck27]

My official position is doggy style so probably best not to fuck with me. You got a lot of nerve crying about people being testy when you start a thread calling them out.

Who ............. let the dogs out !

[denverYooper]

I think McGinn and his ilk now take a view similar to that of Jackie Treehorn in his lament of the direction of the porn industry:

"It's video, Dude. Now that we're competing with those amateurs, we can't afford to invest in little extras like story, production value, feelings. "

[rbaloha1]

I think McGinn and his ilk now take a view similar to that of Jackie Treehorn in his lament of the direction of the porn industry:

"It's video, Dude. Now that we're competing with those amateurs, we can't afford to invest in little extras like story, production value, feelings. "

The stories originated from MM and 579. Suggest you contact MM and discuss the waste of time with figuring stopping 579. OR

Design a scientific poll with your hypothesis and present your findings to TT.

[Patler]

You were.

Absolutely not. Not even a tiny bit. In fact, I intended for the Smiley face to show that I was just having a bit of fun with the reply.
Do you always look for confrontation in everything?

[rbaloha1]

Absolutely not. Not even a tiny bit. In fact, I intended for the Smiley face to show that I was just having a bit of fun with the reply.
Do you always look for confrontation in everything?

Just like you braddah:no:

[Patler]

:-?:roll: .

[denverYooper]

The stories originated from MM and 579. Suggest you contact MM and discuss the waste of time with figuring stopping 579. OR

Design a scientific poll with your hypothesis and present your findings to TT.

I was addressing your bolded statement from the OP with an analogy I found humorous.

[rbaloha1]

I was addressing your bolded statement from the OP with an analogy I found humorous.

My bad:five:

[SkinBasket]

So much for breaking the stereotype that gay guys are overly emotional and easily riled into sassy fits of verbal sausage lancing.

[rbaloha1]

So much for breaking the stereotype that gay guys are overly emotional and easily riled into sassy fits of verbal sausage lancing.

Another one gapping moonshine drinking white hooded homo phobiac.

[Smeefers]

What does sparingly mean? Is it enough to determine winning vs. losing?

spar·ing (spârng)
adj.
1. Given to or marked by prudence and restraint in the use of material resources.
2. Deficient or limited in quantity, fullness, or extent.
3. Forbearing; lenient.
sparing·ly adv.
sparing·ness n.
Synonyms: sparing, frugal, thrifty, economical
These adjectives mean exercising or reflecting care in the use of resources, such as money. Sparing stresses restraint, as in expenditure: a quiet librarian who was sparing of words.
Frugal implies self-denial and abstention from luxury: a frugal diet; a frugal monk.
Thrifty suggests industry, care, and diligence in conserving means: grew up during the Depression and learned to be thrifty.
Economical emphasizes prudence, skillful management, and the avoidance of waste: an economical shopper; an economical use of energy.

[Bossman641]

I guess John Dorsey is a moron..


Dorsey is among those in the NFL who think the zone read will have a short shelf life as an offensive staple as teams do like the Packers and study it more thoroughly. Among other things, they’ll make the punishment on the quarterback prohibitive.

“If you give defensive coordinators in this league a whole offseason, they’re going to stop them,” Dorsey said. “They’re going to hit the quarterback to where he’s not going to be able to run. These coordinators are too smart not to find something to slow this thing down.”

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130222/PKR01/130222088/McCarthy-makes-read-option-defense-priority

Sounds pretty similar to what posters here were saying in the topic you mentioned.