Cullen Jenkins

[SkinBasket]

Is going to be released!

Come on, be honest. How many of you guys still have a Jenkins boner? It was the end of the world for some of you just a couple years ago, after all.

[Smeefers]

The dude's 32. I missed him when he left, and considering how horrible our DL has been doing, I wouldn't mind having him back. But not for no stinking 5.5 Million.

[sharpe1027]

He was simultaneously responsible for both the Packers' and Eagles' defensive problems. A very impressive feat.

[Fritz]

I was limp regarding Jenkins.

But I am hard on Drew Barrymore, who just had a birthday last week.

[pbmax]

He was simultaneously responsible for both the Packers' and Eagles' defensive problems. A very impressive feat.

Repped and nicely done.

I vote no again. Would also still vote no if we traveled back in time to 2011 offseason. But it would be a much more agonizing decision.

[Packgator]

Silverstein says Jenkins is interested in returning to the Packers. Doesn't say at what price.

[Guiness]

He was simultaneously responsible for both the Packers' and Eagles' defensive problems. A very impressive feat.

lol

He wasn't a total flop in Philly. His first half season, he performed quite well, and some posters here felt TT had made a mistake letting him go. He had 5.5 sacks that year. Then the team tanked, and he followed?

I think he'll land somewhere. He's gone from Philly because they're having a purge there, I don't think he's done. I wonder what he'll get? He did start 16 games these past two seasons, that's impressive.

[denverYooper]

I was limp regarding Jenkins.

But I am hard on Drew Barrymore, who just had a birthday last week.

Is she strong at the point of attack?

[SkinBasket]

lol

He wasn't a total flop in Philly. His first half season, he performed quite well, and some posters here felt TT had made a mistake letting him go. He had 5.5 sacks that year. Then the team tanked, and he followed?

He had those 5.5 sacks in like the 1st 4-6 games. Doesn't matter how you work the chicken-egg argument about player vs team performance, a guy who was supposed to be as good as him doesn't just disappear for 3/4 of a season. And that was a long time ago.

[Guiness]

He had those 5.5 sacks in like the 1st 4-6 games. Doesn't matter how you work the chicken-egg argument about player vs team performance, a guy who was supposed to be as good as him doesn't just disappear for 3/4 of a season. And that was a long time ago.

I don't know - doesn't seem like there was much of anything going right in Philly at that time. And a long time ago? Season and half...

I'm not saying he should be brought back - who knows what he'd bring to the table now. And despite his record of being healthy these past 2 seasons, he had trouble staying on the field while here and we've got enough of those guys already. But I also wouldn't rule it out; maybe as a 1yr replacement for Worthy?

edit: looks like someone else floated that idea already
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/193078641.html

I like the idea of Jenkins more than Canty. The Giants are not in rebuild mode, but chose to cut him with tells me there's a problem there. I do think Jenkins is a victim of Philly looking to clear the slate.

[Fritz]

Is she strong at the point of attack?


Yes.

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[pbmax]

He had 4.0 sacks this past year and his overall numbers, except for the sack total, were reminiscent of his better years in GB. He is older, so that is not going to get better. And I think he was injured at some point, but that might not be chronic like Canty's knee could be.

The issue is role. He is the ultimate tweener. He is not beefy enough to be Santana Dotson in a 4-3. No 4-3 D has wanted him to play every down at tackle, they want his pass rush.

As a 4-3 end he was worlds better than KGB as a run stopper, but a traffic cone would have been an improvement over Mr. Run-Up-The-Field. But he does have the quickness to consistently beat Tackles versus the Pass.

As a 3-4 end he is well sized. But he lost that job to Raji, Pickett and Howard Green in 2010. I seem to recall him missing some time as well.

He is an interior pass rusher. He could be useful, but the Packers have Raji, Neal and Daniels there already plus the possible Worthy return.

[Zool]

Yes.

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When 2 people kiss, they make a tube with a butt hole at each end.

[hoosier]

He had 4.0 sacks this past year and his overall numbers, except for the sack total, were reminiscent of his better years in GB. He is older, so that is not going to get better. And I think he was injured at some point, but that might not be chronic like Canty's knee could be.

The issue is role. He is the ultimate tweener. He is not beefy enough to be Santana Dotson in a 4-3. No 4-3 D has wanted him to play every down at tackle, they want his pass rush.

As a 4-3 end he was worlds better than KGB as a run stopper, but a traffic cone would have been an improvement over Mr. Run-Up-The-Field. But he does have the quickness to consistently beat Tackles versus the Pass.

As a 3-4 end he is well sized. But he lost that job to Raji, Pickett and Howard Green in 2010. I seem to recall him missing some time as well.

He is an interior pass rusher. He could be useful, but the Packers have Raji, Neal and Daniels there already plus the possible Worthy return.

I thought Jenkins lost his starting job because of the broken hand, but whatever. At this point Jenkins probably doesn't beat out Wilson at RDE when they're playing 3-4. For the Packers scheme Jenkins only has value as interior lineman in the nickel. In light of Worthy's long rehab and Neal's injury history, if Capers plans on playing a lot of nickel this coming year then re-signing Jenkins for a reasonable price would make sense. Having him around could put a damper on Daniels's development but I don't get the sense that Daniels was by the end of 2012 anywhere close to being a guy you just couldn't keep off the field.

[rbaloha1]

Bring him back.

recall during an nfl broadcast how much clay matthews missed him.

[red]

To put things in perspective. If tt would have resigned jenkins, it would be us taking the cap hit from releasing him today, not the eagles

[MadScientist]

He's worth a look at vet-min, or maybe $1M with no guarantee, but otherwise pass.

[swede]

Cullen's football was good enough to warrant negotiations which Green Bay didn't offer.

I think he freelanced a bit, creating a rift between him and coaches who wanted better adherence to scheme.

Thus, no negotiations then or now.

[Joemailman]

Bring him back.

recall during an nfl broadcast how much clay matthews missed him.

Well then let Clay send him flowers.

[rbaloha1]

Well then let Clay send him flowers.

And you can pay the bill.

[Patler]

As a guy primarily known for his pass rushing ability, Cullen Jenkins has only one flaw......he doesn't tackle the QB very often.

[Packgator]

To put things in perspective. If tt would have resigned jenkins, it would be us taking the cap hit from releasing him today, not the eagles

Good point.

[pbmax]

Bring him back.

recall during an nfl broadcast how much clay matthews missed him.

Depending on the broadcast team, that might be an argument for avoiding him.

[pbmax]

As a guy primarily known for his pass rushing ability, Cullen Jenkins has only one flaw......he doesn't tackle the QB very often.

Precisely. Did he start out 2010 as a starter in base or was he a nickel sub after an injury? Does anyone remember?

[rbaloha1]

Depending on the broadcast team, that might be an argument for avoiding him.

Why is that?

[KYPack]

Precisely. Did he start out 2010 as a starter in base or was he a nickel sub after an injury? Does anyone remember?

He started in base at RDE when he was healthy.

He had that calf injury that kept him out.
When he came back, he was money, you had to double him a lot.

He was our glue that allowed Raji to go crazy at the other end.

Cullen started all 32 games for the Birds.

[MadtownPacker]

Silverstein says Jenkins is interested in returning to the Packers. Doesn't say at what price.
The price should be low enough to check him out.

[pbmax]

He started in base at RDE when he was healthy.

He had that calf injury that kept him out.
When he came back, he was money, you had to double him a lot.

He was our glue that allowed Raji to go crazy at the other end.

Cullen started all 32 games for the Birds.

Pro Football Reference has him down for 8 starts in 11 games participated. Wonder how many were from nickel? I remember him being dislodged after camp from base. But my memory could be fooling me.

[smuggler]

Jenkins was out for a stretch in 2010 due to two separate injuries, but when he returned late in the year and the playoffs, he dominated and helped us win the ring. He has played pretty well for the Eagles, but not great. On the plus side, he's been able to stay healthy.

Them cutting him is not a shock to me at all. When he signed his 5 year $25mil deal with them, most of the deal was backloaded in the last 3 years. When I saw the contract spread, I was very disappointed that the Packers did not offer a similar contract, because the Eagles ended up spending well under the going rate for a guy of his caliber for two seasons.

[KYPack]

Jenkins was out for a stretch in 2010 due to two separate injuries, but when he returned late in the year and the playoffs, he dominated and helped us win the ring. He has played pretty well for the Eagles, but not great. On the plus side, he's been able to stay healthy.

Them cutting him is not a shock to me at all. When he signed his 5 year $25mil deal with them, most of the deal was backloaded in the last 3 years. When I saw the contract spread, I was very disappointed that the Packers did not offer a similar contract, because the Eagles ended up spending well under the going rate for a guy of his caliber for two seasons.

The Eagles fed him the golden wieny, too.

They did a re-write. 5.25 mil signing bonus + the vet min for '13.

Then, they cut him before the signing bonus came due.

That's called a "Philly handshake" deal.

All you guys who hate players making money are dancing a little "Zulu warrior" dance with that deal.

(Red. you know you like that shit)

[Bretsky]

Is going to be released!

Come on, be honest. How many of you guys still have a Jenkins boner? It was the end of the world for some of you just a couple years ago, after all.


I was never a sign Cullen at all costs guy, but IMO the Packers have greatly missed what he brought to the table, and every since pbmax has been bashing him and denying they sorely miss him our A game has been missing :) Repent and set this team free .......pb !!

[Bretsky]

He started in base at RDE when he was healthy.

He had that calf injury that kept him out.
When he came back, he was money, you had to double him a lot.

He was our glue that allowed Raji to go crazy at the other end.

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[pbmax]

I was never a sign Cullen at all costs guy, but IMO the Packers have greatly missed what he brought to the table, and every since pbmax has been bashing him and denying they sorely miss him our A game has been missing :) Repent and set this team free .......pb !!

Welcome to the curse of PackerRats.

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[Fritz]

Given Jenkins's "pressures" (getting a hand on the QB's ankle just before he completes a twenty yard strike), I prefer Jolly and his pass knockdowns and his probable cheaper contract

[woodbuck27]

Given Jenkins's "pressures" (getting a hand on the QB's ankle just before he completes a twenty yard strike), I prefer Jolly and his pass knockdowns and his probable cheaper contract

Cullen Jenkins isn't coming back to Green Bay. He has too much interest elsewhere.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000146287/article/cullen-jenkins-reportedly-has-sixplus-suitors-in-line

[woodbuck27]

As a guy primarily known for his pass rushing ability, Cullen Jenkins has only one flaw......he doesn't tackle the QB very often.

He's reliable and had 66 tackles and 9.5 SACKS over the past two seasons in 32 starts. He also would help out as a rotational player.

http://www.nfl.com/player/cullenjenkins/2505363/profile

He's also a highly ranked FA this season (at NO. 7 ** by Marc Sessier of NFL.Com) and getting loads of attention from NFL teams including the New York GIANTS.

** http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000146206/article/free-agency-primer-ranking-top-interior-dlinemen

Here's another NFL.Com writers look at those who may be up for grabs as free agents or not:

Top 85 free agents: Mike Wallace heads best available

By Gregg Rosenthal ... Around The League Editor

Published: Feb. 28, 2013 at 12:38 p.m

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145968/article/top-85-free-agents-mike-wallace-heads-best-available

[woodbuck27]

Cullen Jenkins to visit Seahawks, 49ers

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/02/cullen-jenkins-to-visit-seahawks-49ers/

"Jenkins has already paid a visit to the Giants and is reportedly also interested in a return to the Packers."

GO PACK GO !

[Teamcheez1]

Don't understand the fascination with Jenkins. He was not that great a player and is two years older now. He stats in Philly were nothing to shake a stick at.

I suppose as stopgap fill-in at bargain price I would take him, but he is probably not that much better than what we have now.

[smuggler]

He was our best passrushing dlineman the year we won the super bowl. "not that great"

[Bretsky]

He was our best passrushing dlineman the year we won the super bowl. "not that great"

DING DING DING

I know the homerism forces us to come up with reasons why we don't want TT to go after Cullen Jenkins because we are fairly sure we won't......and nobody is saying he is great. Julius Peppers is Great. Jenkins is not Julius Peppers and won't get paid like him either

however

He'd probably still be our best pass rushing DL
Jenkins is still good.

[Patler]

DING DING DING

I know the homerism forces us to come up with reasons why we don't want TT to go after Cullen Jenkins because we are fairly sure we won't......and nobody is saying he is great. Julius Peppers is Great. Jenkins is not Julius Peppers and won't get paid like him either

however

He'd probably still be our best pass rushing DL
Jenkins is still good.

There is another side of homerism that we show here too. It goes something like this; "X plays for the Packers, but isn't one of the top handful on the team, so he must not be that good. Y plays for someone else, so he must be better."

For all the talk about Jenkins' pass rush ability, he sure doesn't get many sacks. Never really has. Basically, he is a 4-5 sacks/year guy.

Jenkins gets 9.5 in 32 games, and people get exited.
Mike Neal had 4.5 in 11 games last year, and we don't have a DL that can put pressure on the passer.

The big difference is that Jenkins has been a consistent mediocre pass rush specialist (when not injured) and Neal might only be a flash in the pan mediocre pass rush specialist (when not injured).

Maybe Jenkins would be the best on the Packers, but that is more of an indictment of what they have than a credit to Jenkins.

[Brando19]

There is another side of homerism that we show here too. It goes something like this; "X plays for the Packers, but isn't one of the top handful on the team, so he must not be that good. Y plays for someone else, so he must be better."

For all the talk about Jenkins' pass rush ability, he sure doesn't get many sacks. Never really has. Basically, he is a 4-5 sacks/year guy.

Jenkins gets 9.5 in 32 games, and people get exited.
Mike Neal had 4.5 in 11 games last year, and we don't have a DL that can put pressure on the passer.

The big difference is that Jenkins has been a consistent mediocre pass rush specialist (when not injured) and Neal might only be a flash in the pan mediocre pass rush specialist (when not injured).

Maybe Jenkins would be the best on the Packers, but that is more of an indictment of what they have than a credit to Jenkins.

Disagree 100%. The difference between Jenkins and Neal? Jenkins was normally doubled, which opened up a lane for Clay. If you're saying Neal is as good as Jenkins, you're wrong.

[Patler]

Disagree 100%. The difference between Jenkins and Neal? Jenkins was normally doubled, which opened up a lane for Clay. If you're saying Neal is as good as Jenkins, you're wrong.

I don't know if I am saying that or not, because I have not seen much of Jenkins for two seasons, so I don't know what his performance is like right now. I really have no basis for a direct comparison of Jenkins today with Neal today. But, I do know that Neal has played very little, so has very little actual playing experience. Last year was his only healthy year, and he started to show some of the things that were expected of him when he was drafted. He very well could be an ascending player who could become as good as Jenkins was, or at least as good as Jenkins is now. It took Jenkins several years to become whatever he was at his best, and I think Neal has some physical advantages that Jenkins did not. As for Jenkins, I suspect he will or has declined, and that salary cap was more the public reason than the actual reason he was released. I'm also not sure what the Eagles thought of his attitude and "leadership" after his sideline shouting match with Andy Reid last year. Level of play and salary might not have been the only reasons for the Eagle's decision either. I'm not labeling Jenkins as a bad guy, just pointing out that the Eagles may have felt he let them down when the team needed veteran player leadership.

I always felt Jenkins was somewhat overvalued on the Packers, primarily because they really haven't had a stud on the DL in a long time. I don't deny that he had effective rushes in games, but he never impressed me as a consistently disruptive force. He could be and was handled routinely, then would have a play or series in which he would show.

I don't recall that Jenkins was "normally doubled", certainly not to the extent that it created routine single blocking on Matthews. If anything, my impression was that it was the other way around when Jenkins was with the Packers. Jenkins looked better because his blocker rarely had much help due to primary attention being focused on Matthews.

Might he improve the Packers pass rush? Probably, because they really don't get much out of their DL. But I don't think the difference would be great at this point, and certainly not worth a lot against the cap.

[pbmax]

DING DING DING

I know the homerism forces us to come up with reasons why we don't want TT to go after Cullen Jenkins because we are fairly sure we won't......and nobody is saying he is great. Julius Peppers is Great. Jenkins is not Julius Peppers and won't get paid like him either

however

He'd probably still be our best pass rushing DL
Jenkins is still good.

But in your head, unlike T2's, you operate without a budget. A decent pass rusher making $5 mil who had spent two or three years missing significant parts of games is not a strong investment opportunity. Remember all the speculation about what happened to Jenkins, why he wasn't MORE effective? Fritz is quite right we spent much more time wondering what was wrong with him than celebrating his success. It was assumed it was leftover injury issues, as he was nicked up a lot. That continued in Philly though it did not cost him a ton of games. In 2010, Howard Green filled in for him and the D didn't seem to miss him.

We know now that as currently constituted, the Packers had no one else for the opposing O to be worried about besides Matthews. Raji has not been a consistent threat. But that doesn't make Jenkins a smart answer at that dollar figure.

Right now, his agent is telling people he has six teams that want to talk to him. He is scheduled to travel to San Fran and Seattle. If there is a deal on the table now, his price might not be coming down.

[pbmax]

Disagree 100%. The difference between Jenkins and Neal? Jenkins was normally doubled, which opened up a lane for Clay. If you're saying Neal is as good as Jenkins, you're wrong.

I think Jenkins was doubled not a threat that must be doubled, but when the Center did not have to react to a blitz. In the nickel or Psycho, Jenkins was facing the Guard one on one for most snaps. If Capers sent a cross blitz of ILBs, the Center couldn't DT. Other snaps, when the cross blitz didn't come, the center then could wander over to Jenkins to hit him. On some blitzes, its Jenkins job to occupy both the Guard and Center to let someone get through.

I think most of what we remember as Jenkins versus double teams were from 3 man rushes in 3rd and long.

[Patler]

But in your head, unlike T2's, you operate without a budget. A decent pass rusher making $5 mil who had spent two or three years missing significant parts of games is not a strong investment opportunity. Remember all the speculation about what happened to Jenkins, why he wasn't MORE effective? Fritz is quite right we spent much more time wondering what was wrong with him than celebrating his success. It was assumed it was leftover injury issues, as he was nicked up a lot. That continued in Philly though it did not cost him a ton of games. In 2010, Howard Green filled in for him and the D didn't seem to miss him.

The bolded statement sums up my feeling better than I conveyed it myself!




We know now that as currently constituted, the Packers had no one else for the opposing O to be worried about besides Matthews. Raji has not been a consistent threat. But that doesn't make Jenkins a smart answer at that dollar figure.

That was certainly true for 2011, but that team didn't have a number of players that 2012 had and 2013 hopefully will have. Neal is the guy I just don't have any handle on. He had flashes as a rookie that were promising before losing the season. 2011 was an absolute waste for him. 2012 made me hopeful, but not excited that he can make somewhat of a difference. Somehow they were more effective overall in 2012 than in 2011. I'm not convinced that the 2013 version of Jenkins will improve that. I am more hopeful that development of Neal, Daniels, Perry and others will help. A consistent performance from Raji would be nice, too.




Right now, his agent is telling people he has six teams that want to talk to him. He is scheduled to travel to San Fran and Seattle. If there is a deal on the table now, his price might not be coming down.

I wonder how much of that is "agent speak." Maybe in his mind SF + Seattle = 6? :lol:

Maybe a number of teams think he is a good deal at a contract for vet. min. + just a little? We don't know what the agent is telling the teams about what Jenkins is willing to accept.

[Fritz]

I just don't see Jenkins bringing enough to the team to justify any kind of contract that will eat much into the money set aside for Rodgers/Matthews. Which, by the way, is the tandem mentioned most often in terms of renegotiating or extending contracts. Nobody's talking about Raji. Did he sign a rook contract that was a year longer than Matthews's?

[Bretsky]

I doubt anybody would argue we should sign Jenkins for anywhere near what he received before.
Jenkins will probably, IMO, get 2-2.5MIL per year with part of that coming from a modest signing bonus.
His agent is hyping the number of teams interested; there may be.....but the price tag won't be that high
Would you give Jenkins 1.5-2.5MIL per year on a two to three year deal ?

[Fritz]

I doubt anybody would argue we should sign Jenkins for anywhere near what he received before.
Jenkins will probably, IMO, get 2-2.5MIL per year with part of that coming from a modest signing bonus.
His agent is hyping the number of teams interested; there may be.....but the price tag won't be that high
Would you give Jenkins 1.5-2.5MIL per year on a two to three year deal ?

No, I wouldn't. Not at all.

When you're Russ Ball and you're in the midst of intense contract negotiations with Rodgers's or Matthews's agent, you're going to need every nickle if you want a contract that isn't going to blow up the team down the road.

[pbmax]

The bolded statement sums up my feeling better than I conveyed it myself!

Bretsky and Smuggler are making me try to remember why I thought it was a good idea not to pay him. Took awhile for the memories to click in! Fritz and smuggler's posts helped quite a bit, because in my immediate recollection, he lost his starters job in 2011 which turned out not to be entirely true. But he effectively lost it due to unavailability or ineffectiveness when recovering from something.

Frankly, if healthy and not nicked up, he might well be worth his Eagles salary considering how well he fits at 3-4 DE and inside rush.

But he never stayed completely healthy. And he is marginal enough that to spend money now, even discounted, makes little sense unless he is still on the market after the draft and the second wave of FA. The Eagles didn't release him because their defense was too good with him.

I have doubts about Neal, Worthy and Daniels all (even BJ), but they are getting better. Jenkins is getting older. I loved him on the team, just not sure it makes sense unless there is a roster hole and he is discounted.

[pbmax]

I doubt anybody would argue we should sign Jenkins for anywhere near what he received before.
Jenkins will probably, IMO, get 2-2.5MIL per year with part of that coming from a modest signing bonus.
His agent is hyping the number of teams interested; there may be.....but the price tag won't be that high
Would you give Jenkins 1.5-2.5MIL per year on a two to three year deal ?


No, I wouldn't. Not at all.

When you're Russ Ball and you're in the midst of intense contract negotiations with Rodgers's or Matthews's agent, you're going to need every nickle if you want a contract that isn't going to blow up the team down the road.

3 years might give me pause. But if I knew what was happening to Raji, Matthews and had a number for Rodgers, then I might do that dollar amount if:

Canty doesn't sign here and Worthy is definitely out for the season. After FA and the draft, there are no immediate candidates except developmental Guys.

Then I can see this happening. But then it comes down to the "its just a business" thing. Jenkins might want to know with certainty before April where he will be playing. He is backup DE and rotates in to spell Neal and Raji in nickel and dime.

[3irty1]

Seeing as how the Packers already have Neal and Daniels as interior pass rushers I don't really see a big need for Jenkins. I'd be more interested in grabbing another CJ Wilson type of guy. A workhorse who can be trusted to defend the run, be versatile, and shoulder a bunch of snaps.

Jean Francois is just 26 and unrestricted. I kind of thought he was a big lumbering tard when he was at LSU but he's played decent ball for the 49ers and should come cheap. I'd rather get him.

[Pugger]

If the choice is between Canty and Jenkins I'd sign the younger guy. I find it telling - if his agent is correct - that Canty is actually coming in for a visit on Wednesday and Jenkins is not. Jean Francois is even younger and might be a more interesting candidate to check out.

[hoosier]

I thought the negative on Jenkins in 2010 was the impression that he did too much freelancing in search of personal stats and didn't stay within the scheme. I have no idea if that impression was accurate or not, just remember it floating around as a reason for the Packers not to enter the Cullen Jenkins market.

[Guiness]

I thought the negative on Jenkins in 2010 was the impression that he did too much freelancing in search of personal stats and didn't stay within the scheme. I have no idea if that impression was accurate or not, just remember it floating around as a reason for the Packers not to enter the Cullen Jenkins market.

I don't remember that - did he have a problem with the scheme?

I'm a little surprised at the negativity towards Jenkins here. I always thought he was a pretty effective player, who only real problem was staying on the field. He was a good inside rusher at DT, getting sacks that are rare from that position, and was stout against the run at DE - when he first started getting significant playtime it was because he replaced KGB on running downs. When the Pack switched to 3-4, he was thought to be the prototypical size for a 3-4 DE, the only one on our roster at the time!

So, aside from getting injured, I'm not sure what the knock against his play with the Pack is. I'd be a little concerned about age now, but I wouldn't scoff at his 4.5 sacks - that equals Neale, who led out DL!

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should break the bank, but I do think he would be a contributor to the team if he landed back here.

[3irty1]

It does kind of seem like Dom had a few boners for Mr. Jenkins. I submit as evidence the Google keywords "Dom Capers Cullen Jenkins Linebacker." There was a JSO article about how Dom was giving him a shot at outside linebacker because he was such a smooth athlete for his size. I don't think he was ever going to be a starter or anything, it was probably just a wrinkle that would never get used but it does show that Dom saw some unique ability in him.

Also we haven't done that 1-5, psycho thing as much since he left.

[pbmax]

It does kind of seem like Dom had a few boners for Mr. Jenkins. I submit as evidence the Google keywords "Dom Capers Cullen Jenkins Linebacker." There was a JSO article about how Dom was giving him a shot at outside linebacker because he was such a smooth athlete for his size. I don't think he was ever going to be a starter or anything, it was probably just a wrinkle that would never get used but it does show that Dom saw some unique ability in him.

Also we haven't done that 1-5, psycho thing as much since he left.

Now you are really taxing my memory. But I think the OLB talk was out of consideration for Jenkins not initially being enthusiastic about eating blocks in a two gapping DE 5 tech spot. That went nowhere fast in the first year of Capers.

I barely remember something about freelancing, but was it Jenkins involved in that story? Because the run D each year was solid so it would have to be pass rush.

[pbmax]

3 years might give me pause. But if I knew what was happening to Raji, Matthews and had a number for Rodgers, then I might do that dollar amount if:

Canty doesn't sign here and Worthy is definitely out for the season. After FA and the draft, there are no immediate candidates except developmental Guys.

Then I can see this happening. But then it comes down to the "its just a business" thing. Jenkins might want to know with certainty before April where he will be playing and what he will be asked to do. Here he is backup DE and rotates in to spell Neal and Raji in nickel and dime.

Corrected. Sometimes the brain goes faster than the two fingers responsible for transcription.

[Fritz]

It does kind of seem like Dom had a few boners for Mr. Jenkins. I submit as evidence the Google keywords "Dom Capers Cullen Jenkins Linebacker." There was a JSO article about how Dom was giving him a shot at outside linebacker because he was such a smooth athlete for his size. I don't think he was ever going to be a starter or anything, it was probably just a wrinkle that would never get used but it does show that Dom saw some unique ability in him.

Also we haven't done that 1-5, psycho thing as much since he left.

Geez, after that line I thought you were going to write that you googled "dom capers boner cullen jenkins."

Whew.

[hoosier]

I don't remember that - did he have a problem with the scheme?

I'm a little surprised at the negativity towards Jenkins here. I always thought he was a pretty effective player, who only real problem was staying on the field. He was a good inside rusher at DT, getting sacks that are rare from that position, and was stout against the run at DE - when he first started getting significant playtime it was because he replaced KGB on running downs. When the Pack switched to 3-4, he was thought to be the prototypical size for a 3-4 DE, the only one on our roster at the time!

So, aside from getting injured, I'm not sure what the knock against his play with the Pack is. I'd be a little concerned about age now, but I wouldn't scoff at his 4.5 sacks - that equals Neale, who led out DL!

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should break the bank, but I do think he would be a contributor to the team if he landed back here.

According to JSO he had a problem with the scheme as it was originally presented to him, or as he initially understood his role in it, but then supposedly he warmed up to it after hearing that he wasn't destined to a supporting role of absorbing blockers all game long. As for the free lancing, I do not recall if that is something that was written about on JSO or talked about here. It would make sense that it had to do with passrush: he had 7 sacks in 2010, a healthy number for a guy who missed 5+ games. I don't think D linemen are supposed to put up those numbers in a Capers defense.

[KYPack]

Now you are really taxing my memory. But I think the OLB talk was out of consideration for Jenkins not initially being enthusiastic about eating blocks in a two gapping DE 5 tech spot. That went nowhere fast in the first year of Capers.

I barely remember something about freelancing, but was it Jenkins involved in that story? Because the run D each year was solid so it would have to be pass rush.

In Capers scheme, the 5 Techs 1 gap almost all the time.

The NT two gaps some, but most of the DL's take a gap and defend it.

[pbmax]

In Capers scheme, the 5 Techs 1 gap almost all the time.

The NT two gaps some, but most of the DL's take a gap and defend it.

Yes, that was part of Jenkins confusion. He thought he would be two gapping and letting LBs get the money. I mean sacks.

[Fritz]

Gap? So is it called gapping, and is that different from some of those web sites I go onto that mention "gaping"?

[smuggler]

According to JSO he had a problem with the scheme as it was originally presented to him, or as he initially understood his role in it, but then supposedly he warmed up to it after hearing that he wasn't destined to a supporting role of absorbing blockers all game long. As for the free lancing, I do not recall if that is something that was written about on JSO or talked about here. It would make sense that it had to do with passrush: he had 7 sacks in 2010, a healthy number for a guy who missed 5+ games. I don't think D linemen are supposed to put up those numbers in a Capers defense.

The freelancing thing is untrue. It's probably a product of that crazy 'psycho' formation he was playing in.