Joemailman's Packer Mock Draft 1.0

[Joemailman]

Not going to try to predict any draft day trades, although I wouldn't be surprised if TT traded down with his 1st pick.

1 (26) Damontre Moore - OLB - 6-5/250 - Texas A&M

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737651/damontre-moore

http://guysnfldraftlockerroom.com/sites/default/files/hi-res-5716122_display_image.jpg

Outstanding pass rusher who lines up in a number of different positions. Has good agility when dropping into coverage. Has frame to add weight, and was listed at 260 at his Pro Day.

2 (55) Jonathan Jenkins - DT - 6-4/346 - Georgia

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1888753/john-jenkins

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4048307/20120901_kdl_al3_122.0_standard_352.0.jpg

Massive lineman who can play either NT or 5-Tech. Quick off the snap and surpisingly agile for a man his size. Ryan Pickett's heir-apparent.

3 (88) Brian Schwenke - C - 6-3/314 - California

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1679911/brian-schwenke

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/111/1115986.jpg

Tough physical player who moved to Center in 2012, but has also played both Guard positions.

4 (122) Stepfan Taylor - RB - 5-9/214 - Stanford

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1685988/stepfan-taylor

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5890339/155994535.0_standard_352.0.jpg

Excellent all-around back who catches the ball well and blocks well in addition to being a tough inside runner. A good fit here for what the Packers want in a RB.

5 (159) William Campbell - DE - 6-5/308 - Michigan

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/188/um11.jpg

A talented player who has had some off field issues. Got his weight down and had an outstanding 2012 season.

5 (167) Jelani Jenkins - ILB - 6-1/243 - Florida

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664147/jelani-jenkins

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/13877-1/Spikes.jpg

Played OLB at Florida, but probably projects at ILB in the NFL.

Explosive player against the run who shows good agility in pass coverage. Had a poor 2012 season due to injuries, which is why he will be available here.

6 (193) Conner Vernon - WR - 6-0/196 - Duke

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665285/conner-vernon

http://courier-tribune.com/sites/files/article/103303_web_Virginia-Duke-Footbal_Crot.jpg

Quick receiver who runs precise routes ans shows good hands. Not a great athlete, but a really good football player.

7 (232) Levine Toilolo - TE - 6-8/260 - Stanford

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664204/levine-toilolo

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07434slcSmeTB/350x.jpg

Big target who can make the tough catches, and is tough after the catch. Injury concerns knock him down to the 7th round.

[Bretsky]

Give it up for Joe for a FIVE CLAP POST

Gotta say I'd LOVE this draft....of course...predicating it combined with me loving it probably means we end up with none of these guys......a few comments

Round One....nice fit for our needs....can add a ton to this defense
Round Two...I'm not convinced it's a foregone conclusion Raji comes back; like this guy and he's guard us against Raji's loss. Note sure he's there round two for us thogh
Round Three..he's one of my favorite players in this draft for us. Dude can play C, and either guard. Instantly gives us a good long term outlook on the OL
Round Four...I like Monte better, but this guy steps right in and starts for us. He's the real deal
Round Five A..I really hate everybody at Michigan
Round Five B..like Jenkins there and he adds depth to a position where we have too many JAG's. I'll take him over Brad JAG Jones
Round Six....who knows......not fond of limited upside
Round Seven....need to grab a TE for depth and in case JF Bolts next year.....like it


A PLUS POST

[red]

i don't know about #1

if we go OLB with that first pick, or even first 2 or 3 picks, thats pretty much throwing in the towel on last years #1 pick nick perry imo

i'm not a big fan of john jenkins, from what i've seen of him, he looks like a big fat slow uncoordinated slug on the field

i do like the center from cal, b got me looking in to him a few weeks back, i'd love it if we got him. i'm thinking he might even be our second rounder.

i do think we might be taking a wr in the first 3 rounds. we're getting thin there and jones might be gone next offseason. time for TT to take another one. maybe do a replay of the jordy draft, drop out of the first(there really is no difference between the number 15 guy and the number 50 or so guy) pick up an extra draft pick and draft one of the many good looking wr's that look to be second rounders. then maybe grad schwete with the other second rounder

[Joemailman]

i don't know about #1

if we go OLB with that first pick, or even first 2 or 3 picks, thats pretty much throwing in the towel on last years #1 pick nick perry imo

I don't think so. There are lots of ways to utilize 3 good pass rushers. You can line one of them up at ILB in certain situations, you can line up in a 4-3 alignment with Perry at DE, and you can give CMIII some plays off which would only make him better.

[Brandon494]

I wouldn't mind that draft at all, nicely done. Only guy I'm not really a fan of is Stepfan Taylor.

[denverYooper]

I don't think so. There are lots of ways to utilize 3 good pass rushers. You can line one of them up at ILB in certain situations, you can line up in a 4-3 alignment with Perry at DE, and you can give CMIII some plays off which would only make him better.

Add that to the fact that Perry hasn't proven anything yet. If they throw picks and bodies at that spot until someone emerges as a legit complement for Clay, I would not be surprised or upset at all.

[run pMc]

Add that to the fact that Perry hasn't proven anything yet. If they throw picks and bodies at that spot until someone emerges as a legit complement for Clay, I would not be surprised or upset at all.

Yeah, I've wondered about this too. One of the knocks on Perry is his motor can run hot& cold, so someone to push Perry wouldn't hurt. I'm not against throwing another body out there in case Clay's hammy tightens up again and Moses can't provide any pass rush.

Don't know if it will be a R1 pick though, but as joemailman says TT is just as likely to trade this pick and move down.

[Freak Out]

I wouldn't mind that draft at all, nicely done. Only guy I'm not really a fan of is Stepfan Taylor.

I would be happy with that draft...including Taylor....the guy can ball.

[packrulz]

Round 1, Pick 26, #26 overall: *Johnathan Hankins, DT, 6-3, 320, Ohio State
Round 2, Pick 25, #55 overall: *Travis Frederick, C, 6-4, 312, Wisconsin
Round 3, Pick 26, #88 overall: Kiko Alonso, ILB, 6-4, 238, Oregon
Round 4, Pick 25, #122 overall: D.J. Swearinger, FS, 5-11, 208, South Carolina
Round 5, Pick 26, #159 overall: Kenjon Barner, RB , Oregon, 5-9, 196
Round 5, Pick 34, #167 overall (Compensatory Selection): Tommy Bohanon, FB, Wake Forest, 6-1, 246
Round 6, Pick 25, #193 overall: Ryan Otten, TE, San Jose State, 6-5, 230
Round 7, Pick 26, #232 overall: Sean Renfree, QB, Duke, 6-3, 219

[Bretsky]

Not a big fan of Frederick to be honest I'm normally an extrme Badger homer, but Federick left a year too early and at this point he's kind of soft. Like rounds 3-5A and love the round 6 pick as a guy to take a flyer on to replace Finley if we don't pay him.

[wist43]

Like the top of Packrulz draft a lot better than Joe's. Sorry Joe, but I would rate that draft a disaster.

1 (26) Damontre Moore - OLB - 6-5/250 - Texas A&M

- Where are you going to play him? Perry? We drafted for this position last year with Perry. Moore can't play DE in a 3-4... square peg in a round hole.

2 (55) Jonathan Jenkins - DT - 6-4/346 - Georgia

- Was 370 lbs when he played against Alabama. Has since dropped 40 lbs. Don't want to invest a high pick in a guy that has weight issues, struggles to disengage, offers 0 pass rush, can't flatten and chase down the line... on and on.

Someone will overdraft this guy - I hope it's not us.

3 (88) Brian Schwenke - C - 6-3/314 - California

- I like Schwenke, and we definitely need an upgrade at C. He's phonebooth tough - which is why TT likely has no interest in him. The Packers like their Centers to be more mobile.

4 (122) Stepfan Taylor - RB - 5-9/214 - Stanford

- The Packers don't care about the RB position for the most part. Just replacing one of the young guys currently on the roster, with a draft pick.

5 (159) William Campbell - DE - 6-5/308 - Michigan

- Doesn't use his hands well, doesn't disengage. Good hustle, but marginal athleticism and speed.

5 (167) Jelani Jenkins - ILB - 6-1/243 - Florida

- Like Jenkins well enough.

6 (193) Conner Vernon - WR - 6-0/196 - Duke

- Would rather throw darts at front seven guys and OL.

7 (232) Levine Toilolo - TE - 6-8/260 - Stanford

- Would rather throw darts at front seven guys and OL.

[pbmax]

Packer Report says the Packers have spent a lot of time looking at TEs. I don't have a subscription so I don't know which ones, but I suspect there will be one or two drafted TE bodies to throw at ST and short yardage now that Crabtree left.

[red]

Packer Report says the Packers have spent a lot of time looking at TEs. I don't have a subscription so I don't know which ones, but I suspect there will be one or two drafted TE bodies to throw at ST and short yardage now that Crabtree left.

now that we've decided to keep finley, at least for this year, i would almost be pissed if we drafted more TE's. even with crab leaving, we still already have more TE's then we know what to do with. IMO

[woodbuck27]

now that we've decided to keep finley, at least for this year, i would almost be pissed if we drafted more TE's. even with crab leaving, we still already have more TE's then we know what to do with. IMO

red

You'll hate my last post then on the Derek Sherrod thread.

Have you seen the mocks that have us picking Tyler Eifert at #26.

I so much want to see a true WCO again.

A TE that can catch the ball deep and score. Make yards after a catch and at the same time be a capable blocker.

A RB that can slug it out for 1000 yards per season. That can also catch the ball. That can bail Aaron Rodgers out with the short pass and run. That can be utilized effectively on a screen pass. That can block. That's assignment sure and be used often for two/three downs. That picks up the 3rd and shorts.

I want that RB. I want that TE.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Packer Report says the Packers have spent a lot of time looking at TEs. I don't have a subscription so I don't know which ones, but I suspect there will be one or two drafted TE bodies to throw at ST and short yardage now that Crabtree left.

pbmax

Check out my last post on the Draft thread RE: 2013 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings.

PACKERS !

[red]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

[Joemailman]

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

The Packers run the ball more than people think. Last year the Packers were 16th in passing attempts per game and 16th in rushing attempts per game. They threw the ball 56% of the time, which was the league average. This despite the fact that they threw the ball much more effectively than they ran it, as they were 9th in the league in passing yardage and 20th in rushing yardage. So I don't buy the notion that the Packers wouldn't use a better running back if they had one. I think there is reason to believe they might run the ball a bit more if they were more effective at it.

[smuggler]

I love the 2nd and 3rd rounders for Joe's draft. Schwenke is my center of choice from the whole draft.

[packrulz]

Not a big fan of Frederick to be honest I'm normally an extrme Badger homer, but Federick left a year too early and at this point he's kind of soft. Like rounds 3-5A and love the round 6 pick as a guy to take a flyer on to replace Finley if we don't pay him.
Frederick is the top rated center in the draft, I've never heard he's "soft" before. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665144/travis-frederick

[woodbuck27]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

red.....What's your opinion on NCAA Division II ... DT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern? MIAA defensive player of the year.

You've got to agree on this. He's got the real shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGSMeSZXQdM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Williams_(defensive_tackle)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1424923-2013-nfl-draft-missouri-southern-defensive-tackle-brandon-williams

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=97516&draftyear=2013&genpos=DT

My idea and a huge DT like John Jenkins or Brandon Williams and his strength (Bench = 38) is to move BJ Raji into a position to make plays rather than always do the grunt work.

RE: Running game. I sense that you feel that what MM is saying RE: his commitment to having a solid running game is hot air?

From my view TT hasn't given him anything real to work with in terms of the draft.

TT did make a solid acquisition for MM, getting Ryan Grant from the NY GIANTS. Really, after that what has MM had from TT to get really excited over? I see one hopeful RB on our roster in DuJuan 'mighty mouse' Harris.

IMO, TT and MM have to hook up on this deficiency in the Packers offense.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

The Packers run the ball more than people think. Last year the Packers were 16th in passing attempts per game and 16th in rushing attempts per game. They threw the ball 56% of the time, which was the league average. This despite the fact that they threw the ball much more effectively than they ran it, as they were 9th in the league in passing yardage and 20th in rushing yardage. So I don't buy the notion that the Packers wouldn't use a better running back if they had one. I think there is reason to believe they might run the ball a bit more if they were more effective at it.

And that is why I think he ran the ball too much. But more went into it than proving critics wrong:

1. He clearly thought he put the D in too many tough spots by scoring quickly and forcing teams to throw. Why he thought this is a mystery as TOP wasn't horrible.

2. He was worried about teams finding a counter to the pass game and having limited alternatives.

3. He was protecting Rodgers from his limited LT. It also turned out he was also protecting him from a limited C, LG and RT.

To answer red, a draft pick is precious but worrying about how many plays the guy gets used is the wrong question. McCarthy isn't going to sit the answer to the O puzzle. The better question is could the Packers develop a RB that good or would the line cause a problem?

[woodbuck27]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

"i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft" red

Then it gets worse red:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/06/georgias-john-jenkins-drops-38-pounds-down-to-332/

Georgia’s John Jenkins drops 38 pounds, down to 332

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 6, 2013, 2:08 PM EDT

" Jenkins’ camp has released a video of him running on a treadmill, showing off impressive speed for a man who is, they say, down to 332.

... He weighed in at the Scouting Combine at 343, which was down from the 354 he was listed at in Georgia’s football program. But Jenkins told the Macon Telegraph that Georgia’s football program was being charitable, and he was actually heavier than 354.

“When you’re in the moment, you don’t want the negative feedback,” Jenkins said. “The program stuck behind me, kept saying I was 354, when in all reality I was 370.” "

Comment woodbuck27:

My immediate reaction to that is ... 'So what John'!?

So you get drafted closer to the top of the draft. Are you disclipined/commited enough to that team drafting you. To remain even more commited to conditioning and specifically strength training? Your going to be a grunt in the trenches.

[Joemailman]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

[red]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

and that would have been his 1 and only sack of the season

he's not a pass rusher, not even close. he's a big body that needs to take up blockers (plural). and like i said in above post, i just don't see him being able to do that. i saw him getting stonewalled a lot by one blocker. when he's double teamed he gets pushed all over the place

[wist43]

Jenkins doesn't get off blocks, he doesn't use his hands well, he doesn't do much of anything effectively in terms of actually making plays.

He has size, but that's it. He should put on another 100 lbs, move to Japan, and give Sumo a try.

[woodbuck27]

Jenkins doesn't get off blocks, he doesn't use his hands well, he doesn't do much of anything effectively in terms of actually making plays.

He has size, but that's it. He should put on another 100 lbs, move to Japan, and give Sumo a try.

Is this All and Anything Real NFL Education Week at Packerrats !?

Education with smiles. :rock:

Where do I send my enrollment fee?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

When ....well more realistically ... if you discover that Ted Thompson took that time to talk to him inform the forum ....please.

[Joemailman]

and that would have been his 1 and only sack of the season

he's not a pass rusher, not even close. he's a big body that needs to take up blockers (plural). and like i said in above post, i just don't see him being able to do that. i saw him getting stonewalled a lot by one blocker. when he's double teamed he gets pushed all over the place

He is definitely a guy with a mix of strong and weak points. Your evaluation of him seems based only on the weak points. Jenkins is a guy with an intriguing combo of size and quickness. He sometimes is ineffective because he often uses bad technique, straightening up too much. I guess the question with him is whether he is coachable. I'm not sure if he'll ever reach his potential. If I was, I'd be advocating him as a 1st round pick, because he has 1st round talent. In 2012, playing against top competition in the SEC, he had 50 tackles and 2 sacks, not bad numbers for a NT. If a GM thinks he is coachable, he's a Top-50 prospect.

[red]

He is definitely a guy with a mix of strong and weak points. Your evaluation of him seems based only on the weak points. Jenkins is a guy with an intriguing combo of size and quickness. He sometimes is ineffective because he often uses bad technique, straightening up too much. I guess the question with him is whether he is coachable. I'm not sure if he'll ever reach his potential. If I was, I'd be advocating him as a 1st round pick, because he has 1st round talent. In 2012, playing against top competition in the SEC, he had 50 tackles and 2 sacks, not bad numbers for a NT. If a GM thinks he is coachable, he's a Top-50 prospect.

i watched him play, i honestly didn't see too many strong points

i would compare him to terrence cody (who i loved) both big fat mountain of men who don't move very well or very far.

the big difference is cody was strong as hell and could take on 2 or 3 guys and push all of them back. i don't see that strength at all with jenkins

cody goes to the rating as a better looking prospect, and he becomes just a small time bit player. i don't see jenkings becoming anything more then that

[gbgary]

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has


i agree with this. if we had adrian peterson he'd only get 600 yards a year. lol

[woodbuck27]

i agree with this. if we had adrian peterson he'd only get 600 yards a year. lol

As moot as it is I do get you and it begs this question:

How do you suggest Ted Thompson solves that problem (puts the fix in)?

[run pMc]

As moot as it is I do get you and it begs this question:

How do you suggest Ted Thompson solves that problem (puts the fix in)?

Good question. My thought -- purely subjective, no stats FWIW -- is to improve the OL and pray for health. Starks can run the ball if he's healthy, and DuJuan Harris was a revelation considering he was scooped up from a parking lot. Replacing Saturday at C should help. If Quarless can come back and play like he was he'll push Finley for time and improve strong side blocking (I'd think). Newhouse isn't a great run blocker either, but most LT's are just ok, and Sitton/Bulaga (or Barclay) would be the place I'd run behind more. GB has a lot of guys who are ok enough to start, but not great enough to consistently pound a team.

I get the offense goes through Rodgers and most teams are built to throw the ball, but being able to pick up 3rd and short by running the ball (and doing it without Kuhn in the lineup, that's sooo predictable) would be nice.

I think having a good RB can make the line better, but if half your line (C, LT, TE) can't run block very well I think that limits your run game.

That said, I'd rather the line be able to pass protect. Rodgers has to stay healthy, and he's very good vs. blitzes and on 3rd down.

I like Lacy, but for some reason am undecided on him in R1 for GB. Could see a team want to trade with TT to get him at #26.

[woodbuck27]

Is this All and Anything Real NFL Education Week at Packerrats !?

Education with smiles. :rock:

Where do I send my enrollment fee?

GO PACK GO !

I make a motion that the week before and leading up to one day prior to THE MASTERS... be :

Education Week at Packerrats.

Of course we need to get certain members of Packerrats clued into this and contributing their expert knowledge and otherwise skills.

Immediately Deputy Nutz comes to mind. Where's Sparkey, CaptainKickass, Vince and BobDobbs?

Do we know who's 'dead or alive'. That takes me right here:

We had an elderly English chappy, as a member here for some time back a few years. It seemed to me that he went back in time before the Green Bay Packers and the NFL. That man had history as a Packer fan. What was his handle here? Maybe his age and nerves; severly tested by Packerrats.
You have to be strong to be a Packerrat. :glug:

There .... right there now... this:

We need someone like Rastak giving his take on the 2013 Draft. Without any pressure of handing out Minnesota Viking insider draft secrets.

Packerrats has needs.

[Bretsky]

I make a motion that the week before and leading up to one day prior to THE MASTERS... be :

Education Week at Packerrats.

Of course we need to get certain members of Packerrats clued into this and contributing their expert knowledge and otherwise skills.

Immediately Deputy Nutz comes to mind. Where's Sparkey, CaptainKickass, Vince and BobDobbs?

Do we know who's 'dead or alive'. That takes me right here:

We had an elderly English chappy, as a member here for some time back a few years. It seemed to me that he went back in time before the Green Bay Packers and the NFL. That man had history as a Packer fan. What was his handle here? Maybe his age and nerves; severly tested by Packerrats.
You have to be strong to be a Packerrat. :glug:

There .... right there now... this:

We need someone like Rastak giving his take on the 2013 Draft. Without any pressure of handing out Minnesota Viking insider draft secrets.

Packerrats has needs.


Mock Draft #1 with Moore as our pick

[Bretsky]

Not going to try to predict any draft day trades, although I wouldn't be surprised if TT traded down with his 1st pick.

1 (26) Damontre Moore - OLB - 6-5/250 - Texas A&M

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737651/damontre-moore

http://guysnfldraftlockerroom.com/sites/default/files/hi-res-5716122_display_image.jpg

Outstanding pass rusher who lines up in a number of different positions. Has good agility when dropping into coverage. Has frame to add weight, and was listed at 260 at his Pro Day.

2 (55) Jonathan Jenkins - DT - 6-4/346 - Georgia

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1888753/john-jenkins

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4048307/20120901_kdl_al3_122.0_standard_352.0.jpg

Massive lineman who can play either NT or 5-Tech. Quick off the snap and surpisingly agile for a man his size. Ryan Pickett's heir-apparent.

3 (88) Brian Schwenke - C - 6-3/314 - California

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1679911/brian-schwenke

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/111/1115986.jpg

Tough physical player who moved to Center in 2012, but has also played both Guard positions.

4 (122) Stepfan Taylor - RB - 5-9/214 - Stanford

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1685988/stepfan-taylor

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5890339/155994535.0_standard_352.0.jpg

Excellent all-around back who catches the ball well and blocks well in addition to being a tough inside runner. A good fit here for what the Packers want in a RB.

5 (159) William Campbell - DE - 6-5/308 - Michigan

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/188/um11.jpg

A talented player who has had some off field issues. Got his weight down and had an outstanding 2012 season.

5 (167) Jelani Jenkins - ILB - 6-1/243 - Florida

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664147/jelani-jenkins

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/13877-1/Spikes.jpg

Played OLB at Florida, but probably projects at ILB in the NFL.

Explosive player against the run who shows good agility in pass coverage. Had a poor 2012 season due to injuries, which is why he will be available here.

6 (193) Conner Vernon - WR - 6-0/196 - Duke

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665285/conner-vernon

http://courier-tribune.com/sites/files/article/103303_web_Virginia-Duke-Footbal_Crot.jpg

Quick receiver who runs precise routes ans shows good hands. Not a great athlete, but a really good football player.

7 (232) Levine Toilolo - TE - 6-8/260 - Stanford

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664204/levine-toilolo

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07434slcSmeTB/350x.jpg

Big target who can make the tough catches, and is tough after the catch. Injury concerns knock him down to the 7th round.


AFTER DOING MY MOCK and A LOT OF RESEARCH ON SOME OF THE ABOVE GUYS.....here is take #2

Moore--I would be fully on board with this pick. I'd take this guy over a lot of the pluggers others want. He's a great pass rusher and penetrator. The colleage stats don't lie. Huge Upside
Jenkins--This is a plugger with upside if his heart is in it. He replaced Raji or Pickett and Worth was less than impressive last year. I'm on board with this if the safeties are off teh board, which by now I'd expect they will be
Schwenke- He's still one of my favorite players in the draft and I would not complain if TT took him in round two. IMO he's well gone by round 3. He's liked by many
Taylor------YUP...dude is player and he'd be our best RB. I'm assuming both Ball and Bell are gone by now. There is a chance Taylor might be too.
Campbell- I still hate Michigan....but this guy has nice upside and can play
Jenkins---YUP....on board as well. Solid pick here
Vernon---NOPE....there will be a lot of guys with better talent here.
Toilolo- OK with pick.

[woodbuck27]

I've been reading so much... 'things NFL football' that I actually forgot about this Mock. It's a good effort Joe. It takes 'just that' to get even close to something decent. Then 'it takes all kinds to spin this world' reality steps forth and we're right here:

The three fellas I really like are 3-4 DE Hybride OLB ** Damontre Moore , C Brian Schwenke and #2 Stanford TE Levine Toilolo and that man's height at 6' - 8" and versatility. I can see uses for him on our roster. Nice pick in Rd. 4 Pick #122 RB Stepfan Taylor, Stanford.

You took a long time to address what I see as a 3rd priority need or SS ILB. You go there with Rd. 5 Pick #167 ILB Jelani Jenkins, Florida. You might improve that position pick earlier but at the sacrifice of your pick at C or RB.

That decision comes down to your philosophy and what you see as a greater need. I say it's at Safety and you'll disagree. You ignored the Safety position. I won't in my Mock.

You went Rd. 5 Pick #159 DE William Campbell, Michigan - 6' - 5' 308 lbs... I assume as a pure DE. That might be a better spot to go RB and use #122 to address a more important need. Again we see it differently.

Now to the real problem:

The real problem is right at the top. I really want to pick Damontre Moore but red has made a solid beef with such a choice. I believe that problem may have been in an error picking College DE/NFL OLB Nick Perry USC in Rd. 1 last year. If something doesn't get done with that fella we'll see an issue. He needs to get with the Packers defensive programme and abort his own.

What's with these California Boys!? :whaa: Mad??

Back to going Damontre Moore at #26. He's a baller. He's a tad shy it seems and he has to get on the weights 'Big Time' but he's not called Damonster' in College ball for nothing. I love the 'no nonse' way he plays. He doesn't act silly on the field after a solid play.

See Datone 'Hollywood' Jones and Matt 'Jeee I'm terrific' Elam. Dear Lord... NOT in Green Bay!!

How well will it works out for Damontre Moore as the pick @ #26 and a Green Bay Packer and Matthews and Perry??

That's for TT and DC Dom Capers to figure out. TT would do well picking Damontre Moore. He adds insurance and solid versatility for Dom Capers but he has to get with the fact it's the NFL. His dream has been simply to play in the NFL and offer a solid contribution but he must work his tail off getting stronger.

That's where the discussion turns to DE Margus Hunt and well 'all that... that's alot'. There's a REAL MONSTER and a fricken serious athlete with unlimited upside...his age !!?*#!?!!

If he's on the board @ #26. Maybe TT does better in his mind with N. Carolina Tar Heal's DT Sylvester Williams? If he goes there he's not addressing a top three need. All the same a solid BPA option if available and that may be a reality.

I see an option and DT at #55. See Wist43 and Bretsky's Mock and FS Eric Reid in B's Mock = addressing that #2 need.

So in review, a solid effort Joe. It's so tough this year. I really like three of your picks (3-4 NFL OLB; Center and TE) and have looked carefully at DT Jon Jenkins. Your pick at RB is pretty decent with some sacrifice to need. Your picks at DE and WR might be better utilized.

It's right here where we hammer this stuff out. Where I even imagine we get it 'BEST'. :glug:

GO PACK GO !