2013 Schedule

[pbmax]

Roger must have put the extra special kibosh on rumor-mongering this year as virtually nothing is leaking. So far all I know is that the Ravens will kick off the 2013 Season against their traditional rivals the Denver Broncos in Mile High Stadium.

[red]

oh thats right

that happens tonight, right?

[pbmax]

Tested right way. pack at niners, season opener.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 5m
Per @WBAY, #Packers will open the season at San Francisco on Sunday at 3:25 pm. Full sked out at 7.

Oh crap. That is an ABC affiliate with means there is an ESPN connection. Might be Monday night with the C-team broadcasting. Great.

Scratch that thought, its says 3:25 PM right in Tweet. Going to be FOX. Phew.

[pbmax]

tom silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 13s
According to NFL source, #Packers are playing #Lions on Thanksgiving Day this year.

[red]

we opened with san fran last year

fuck that noise man

play a god damn team 3 times in one calender year and they aren't even in our division. thats bull shit

[pittstang5]

we opened with san fran last year

fuck that noise man

play a god damn team 3 times in one calender year and they aren't even in our division. thats bull shit

If that's true, what a pisser. Vikings will probably play the Eagles, Lions will probably play the Browns and the Bears will probably play the Rams. Packers will start in the hole again.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein on Twitter

#Packers will play on Oct. 27 at #Vikings, in NBC's Sunday night game, 7:30 p.m. kickoff.

[pbmax]

Lance Allan

The @Packers play 3 @SNFonNBC games. The 1st at #Vikings Sun, Oct 27. At Giants Sun Nov 17 & Sun, Dec. 8 #Falcons at #LambeauField #Packers

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein
#Packers home opener is Sept. 15 vs. #Redskins at noon. Will RGIII be healthy and ready to play? .

Six of 18 leaked. Running well behind normal leak schedule.

[pbmax]

Mitch McLaughlin
@PackerReport The last 7 champions played the NFC east which the Packers do this year.

[pbmax]

via PFT

In Week One, the Jets will host the Buccaneers, according to Mike Garafolo of USA Today.

[pbmax]

REGULAR

01 SEP 8 3:25PM AT 49ERS
02 SEP 15 12:00PM REDSKINS
03 SEP 22 12:00PM AT BENGALS
04 BYE
05 OCT 6 12:00PM LIONS
06 OCT 13 12:00PM AT RAVENS
07 OCT 20 3:25PM BROWNS
08 OCT 27 7:30PM AT VIKINGS
09 NOV 4 7:40PM BEARS
10 NOV 10 12:00PM EAGLES
11 NOV 17 7:30PM AT GIANTS
12 NOV 24 12:00PM VIKINGS
13 NOV 28 11:30AM AT LIONS
14 DEC 8 7:30PM FALCONS
15 DEC 15 3:25PM AT COWBOYS
16 DEC 22 3:25PM STEELERS
17 DEC 29 12:00PM AT BEARS

[pittstang5]

Damn...early bye week. Don't like that.

[Bretsky]

REGULAR

01 SEP 8 3:25PM AT 49ERS
02 SEP 15 12:00PM REDSKINS
03 SEP 22 12:00PM AT BENGALS
04 BYE
05 OCT 6 12:00PM LIONS
06 OCT 13 12:00PM AT RAVENS
07 OCT 20 3:25PM BROWNS
08 OCT 27 7:30PM AT VIKINGS
09 NOV 4 7:40PM BEARS
10 NOV 10 12:00PM EAGLES
11 NOV 17 7:30PM AT GIANTS
12 NOV 24 12:00PM VIKINGS
13 NOV 28 11:30AM AT LIONS
14 DEC 8 7:30PM FALCONS
15 DEC 15 3:25PM AT COWBOYS
16 DEC 22 3:25PM STEELERS
17 DEC 29 12:00PM AT BEARS


Looks like 11-5 or 12-5
We start the first half of the seaosn 7-1

[pbmax]

No back to back road games, much less 3 in a row. 2 home games in Dec but only Falcons might mind. 3 home games in Nov, but only Vikes might mind.

[pbmax]

Early Turkey Day game. Perfect. Watch game. Eat. Sleep. Wake up and watch late game.

[pbmax]

Packers schedule of leading rushers. :D

Hint: Not many repeats.

http://miketanier.sportsonearthblog.com/green-bay-packers-leading-rusher-schedule-2013/

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Week 5 versus Lions: Ted Thompson’s neighbor’s kid, 46 yards.
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[MadtownPacker]

we opened with san fran last year

fuck that noise man

play a god damn team 3 times in one calender year and they aren't even in our division. thats bull shitI think they automatically play due to finishing 1st in their divisions. I'm going to the game and Pack is winning you fucking panocha.

[MadtownPacker]

REGULAR

01 SEP 8 3:25PM AT 49ERS
02 SEP 15 12:00PM REDSKINS
03 SEP 22 12:00PM AT BENGALS
04 BYE
05 OCT 6 12:00PM LIONS
06 OCT 13 12:00PM AT RAVENS
07 OCT 20 3:25PM BROWNS
08 OCT 27 7:30PM AT VIKINGS
09 NOV 4 7:40PM BEARS
10 NOV 10 12:00PM EAGLES
11 NOV 17 7:30PM AT GIANTS
12 NOV 24 12:00PM VIKINGS
13 NOV 28 11:30AM AT LIONS
14 DEC 8 7:30PM FALCONS
15 DEC 15 3:25PM AT COWBOYS
16 DEC 22 3:25PM STEELERS
17 DEC 29 12:00PM AT BEARSLooks like another playoff season. 11-5 at worst.

[pbmax]

Damn...early bye week. Don't like that.

Thanksgiving Game will help with mini-bye week.

Division games more spread out this year. Closest is Vikings tilts which are a month apart.

[George Cumby]

we opened with san fran last year

fuck that noise man

play a god damn team 3 times in one calender year and they aren't even in our division. thats bull shit

What kind of Lady-boy are you?

We'll play them in the fucking parking lot.

Bring that shit on!

[MJZiggy]

Tom Silverstein
#Packers home opener is Sept. 15 vs. #Redskins at noon. Will RGIII be healthy and ready to play? .

Six of 18 leaked. Running well behind normal leak schedule.I'll get to watch this one! Woot!

[MJZiggy]

Is there going to be a Rat game this year?

[Bretsky]

Yes, it's OVAL OFFICE PART TWO !!!!

[ThunderDan]

Lions and Eagles for Gold Package this year.

Not as good as Thursday night Bears and Cards last year.

[woodbuck27]

If that's true, what a pisser. Vikings will probably play the Eagles, Lions will probably play the Browns and the Bears will probably play the Rams. Packers will start in the hole again.

Hey!

We'll have the $$$23 Million DOLLER MAN$$$....the $$$13 MILLION DOLLAR MAN$$$ back home in California...sniffin' that back home air.

Look the hell out 49ers.

Ohh wait on that....Why am I thinking Daddy Warbucks?

The Drama Queen Schedulers couldn't do better than that huge rematch early; and why the fricken' repeat anyway??

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

Looks like 11-5 or 12-5
We start the first half of the seaosn 7-1

mmmm ... that looks about right B. Four or Five loss's.

There's always the one that gets away. (1 L)

All three NFCN opponents are getting stronger. It'll be tough to run em this season. (1-2 L)

At San Fran,Cincy,Baltimore and NY Giants (2-2)

Atlanta @ Lambeau and Pack @ Boys when they'll be in a must win situation ...that's not easy. (1L)

11-5 and on the outside a slip to 10-6.

The playoffs again. Hope for >>>>>>> more.

GO PACK GO!

[Joemailman]

Looks like 11-5 or 12-5
We start the first half of the seaosn 7-1

Packers usually finish strong under McCarthy. If they go 7-1 in the first half, I think they'll do better than 11-5. I'm thinking 11-5 for a different reason. The road schedule looks pretty tough. Like last year, I see them going 7-1 at home and 4-4 on the road.

[woodbuck27]

Packers usually finish strong under McCarthy. If they go 7-1 in the first half, I think they'll do better than 11-5. I'm thinking 11-5 for a different reason. The road schedule looks pretty tough. Like last year, I see them going 7-1 at home and 4-4 on the road.

Yes.... that road schedule is rough.

[Bretsky]

I hate San Fran game one
Prepare for some more physical domination

[wist43]

we opened with san fran last year

fuck that noise man

play a god damn team 3 times in one calender year and they aren't even in our division. thats bull shit

What's bullshit is that we can't hang with them.

They stomped us twice - completely man-handled and dominated us twice. We're gonna get some guys back, and that certainly will help, but we still can't measure up to them. Unless TT comes away with a couple of instant studs in the draft, and Worthy, Neal, Perry, and one of the young S's all emerge as at least red-chip players. That's asking a lot.

And given that SF lost the Superbowl, and is hungrier and angrier than they were last year, they're going to want to come out and make an opening statement for the season. I think SF is the best team in the league, and there's no reason to think they won't come out and dominate us for the 3rd time in a year.

[Patler]

No way Worthy even plays in the SF game. Likely will start the year on PUP.

The Packers will have a couple weeks to prepare for the SF game, and a lot of knowledge and desire for redemption from their experiences last year. Don't know if they will win or not, but I expect a good game.

I'm not ready to crown either SF or Seattle as the beast to beat in the conference for 2013 just yet. Either or both could pull Philly/Detroit-like disappearing acts next year, probably Seattle being the more likely one to do so. Funny things often happen over the off season.

[Smeefers]

REGULAR

01 SEP 8 3:25PM AT 49ERS
02 SEP 15 12:00PM REDSKINS
03 SEP 22 12:00PM AT BENGALS
04 BYE
05 OCT 6 12:00PM LIONS
06 OCT 13 12:00PM AT RAVENS
07 OCT 20 3:25PM BROWNS
08 OCT 27 7:30PM AT VIKINGS
09 NOV 4 7:40PM BEARS
10 NOV 10 12:00PM EAGLES
11 NOV 17 7:30PM AT GIANTS
12 NOV 24 12:00PM VIKINGS
13 NOV 28 11:30AM AT LIONS
14 DEC 8 7:30PM FALCONS
15 DEC 15 3:25PM AT COWBOYS
16 DEC 22 3:25PM STEELERS
17 DEC 29 12:00PM AT BEARS

Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty tough schedule? 49ers, Redskins, Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Cowboys, Steelers AND our division. The only three "easy" games are the Eagles, Bengals and the Browns. The Bengals Don't look like that shabby of a team anymore. If the Packers Finish 11-5, I think they'll be a pretty battle hardened team and will have a great shot to go the distance.

[red]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty tough schedule? 49ers, Redskins, Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Cowboys, Steelers AND our division. The only three "easy" games are the Eagles, Bengals and the Browns. The Bengals Don't look like that shabby of a team anymore. If the Packers Finish 11-5, I think they'll be a pretty battle hardened team and will have a great shot to go the distance.

yeah, i thought it looks pretty tough too

[run pMc]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty tough schedule? 49ers, Redskins, Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Cowboys, Steelers AND our division. The only three "easy" games are the Eagles, Bengals and the Browns. The Bengals Don't look like that shabby of a team anymore. If the Packers Finish 11-5, I think they'll be a pretty battle hardened team and will have a great shot to go the distance.

Agree. I think it's a pretty tough schedule. 7 games against playoff teams (if you could MIN twice). I actually think CLE could field a pretty good defense this year, but GB should still beat them. The division games are always up for grabs. No idea how good the NFC East teams will be this year.

If GB can avoid any major injuries 10+ wins and playoffs are a good bet.

[Smidgeon]

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[wist43]

9-7

It's a tough schedule and we're just not that good. We have Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, some decent receivers, a score of average players, and a score of junk.

SF, Sea, NYG, et al, can dominate us physically, it's not a matter of x's and o's, or that we're a bounce of the ball away from beating them. We can't compete with the power teams, they are simply physically stronger than we are, and there's nothing we can do about that.

[3irty1]

9-7

It's a tough schedule and we're just not that good. We have Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, some decent receivers, a score of average players, and a score of junk.

SF, Sea, NYG, et al, can dominate us physically, it's not a matter of x's and o's, or that we're a bounce of the ball away from beating them. We can't compete with the power teams, they are simply physically stronger than we are, and there's nothing we can do about that.

Except for when we beat them. Then it was x's and o's or the ball bouncing our way. The packers have only a small handful of players that are physically suited for an NFL roster. They would have no chance against dominant smash mouth teams like Seattle, Alabama, or LSU.

[Fritz]

9-7

It's a tough schedule and we're just not that good. We have Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, some decent receivers, a score of average players, and a score of junk.

SF, Sea, NYG, et al, can dominate us physically, it's not a matter of x's and o's, or that we're a bounce of the ball away from beating them. We can't compete with the power teams, they are simply physically stronger than we are, and there's nothing we can do about that.


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[ThunderDan]

9-7

It's a tough schedule and we're just not that good. We have Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, some decent receivers, a score of average players, and a score of junk.

SF, Sea, NYG, et al, can dominate us physically, it's not a matter of x's and o's, or that we're a bounce of the ball away from beating them. We can't compete with the power teams, they are simply physically stronger than we are, and there's nothing we can do about that.

I support Wist on his effort. He is making a prediction and stating why. I may not agree but I give him kudos for not being afraid to put it out there. I usually wait until TC before I make a guess.

[Joemailman]

Even if it's true the Pack can't beat the 49ers or the Giants, that's only 2 losses. I don't see another 5 losses. Packers were 11-5 last year with a ton of injuries. I don't see any logical reason why they should be worse this year.

[wist43]

I don't think we'll be worse than last year (based on the assumption that Perry and the young safties are better) - but we have a lot of ground to cover to catch up to SF, NY, et al.

We'll be underdogs in at least 4 games @ SF, Cinn, Balt, and NYG. Don't see us even threatening SF or NY. If we can split with Cinn and Baltimore?? 1-3 is better than 0-4.

As for the rest of the schedule... Minnesota routinely rushes for 674 yds/game against us and pushes us around pretty good. Those games will be a toss up; don't know what to expect out of Det and Chi... although playing Det on T-day doesn't help - they always get up for that game regardless of their record.

The Redskins have more all around talent than we do, as do the Falcons; we're pretty even with the Cowboys and Steelers. The Browns and Eagles are the only teams I'd say we should have an easy time of it - although the Browns are definitely improving, and are built to play good defense and run the ball, i.e. our cryptonite. I could see the Browns game being similar to the KC Chiefs game a couple of years ago where we have a lot more skill position talent, but they're tougher than we are, and just punch us in the mouth for 60 minutes.

I think we're a playoff team, but not a real threat to SF. 2 1/2 months ago they completely dominated us; 6 months ago they completely dominated us - am I the only Packerrat who watched those games?? It's one thing to lose a playoff game, it's quite another to be bitch-slapped and laughed at.

SF doesn't respect us - why should they?? We weren't even a speed bump to them. At least Atl gave 'em a run for their money.

[Joemailman]

I don't think we'll be worse than last year (based on the assumption that Perry and the young safties are better) - but we have a lot of ground to cover to catch up to SF, NY, et al.

We'll be underdogs in at least 4 games @ SF, Cinn, Balt, and NYG. Don't see us even threatening SF or NY. If we can split with Cinn and Baltimore?? 1-3 is better than 0-4.

As for the rest of the schedule... Minnesota routinely rushes for 674 yds/game against us and pushes us around pretty good. Those games will be a toss up; don't know what to expect out of Det and Chi... although playing Det on T-day doesn't help - they always get up for that game regardless of their record.

The Redskins have more all around talent than we do, as do the Falcons; we're pretty even with the Cowboys and Steelers. The Browns and Eagles are the only teams I'd say we should have an easy time of it - although the Browns are definitely improving, and are built to play good defense and run the ball, i.e. our cryptonite. I could see the Browns game being similar to the KC Chiefs game a couple of years ago where we have a lot more skill position talent, but they're tougher than we are, and just punch us in the mouth for 60 minutes.

I think we're a playoff team, but not a real threat to SF. 2 1/2 months ago they completely dominated us; 6 months ago they completely dominated us - am I the only Packerrat who watched those games?? It's one thing to lose a playoff game, it's quite another to be bitch-slapped and laughed at.

SF doesn't respect us - why should they?? We weren't even a speed bump to them. At least Atl gave 'em a run for their money.

The Packers are about even with the Cowboys? You need to stop hanging around with Jerry Jones.

[wist43]

The Packers are about even with the Cowboys? You need to stop hanging around with Jerry Jones.

The Cowboys biggest weakness is their OL - our sucks too.

Rodgers is a cut above Romo, but that is about the only position we outpace them. Dez Bryant is far more talented than any receiver we have, but collectively we're probably better; Witten is as good as they come - and unlike the Packers, the Cowboys actually have a RB in DeMarco Murray.

Defensively they're better than we are. Call Matthews and Ware a wash... they're weak in the secondary - but so are we. Brandon Carr, even though he had a bit of a down year, is better than anyone we have in our secondary; Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer are at least the equal of Raji and Perry. They have a lot of average starters; we have a lot of average starters.

Don't know much about their depth, but ours is shit - so yeah, the Cowboys and Packers are about equal. I'd give us a slight edge perhaps, but not by much.

[Upnorth]

Looks like 11-5 or 12-5
We start the first half of the seaosn 7-1

:no:
We are not getting bounced in the first round again! :evil:

Put me down for 11-5 regular season, 3 - 0 post season

[Tony Oday]

13-3 and SF has a 9-7 record suffering the fate all the SB losers face. Kapernuts now gave the entire NFL his game tape so he is not coming from nowhere this year.

[pbmax]

I dunno about being an underdog to Cincy.

And the Cowboys are rebuilding their secondary again. The Packers are looking for one more safety to go along with three or four starting caliber CBs. Not the same thing.

[Pugger]

Wouldn't it be prudent to wait until we get a better idea of our roster this coming season before we start making predictions?

[3irty1]

The Cowboys biggest weakness is their OL - our sucks too.

Rodgers is a cut above Romo, but that is about the only position we outpace them. Dez Bryant is far more talented than any receiver we have, but collectively we're probably better; Witten is as good as they come - and unlike the Packers, the Cowboys actually have a RB in DeMarco Murray.

Defensively they're better than we are. Call Matthews and Ware a wash... they're weak in the secondary - but so are we. Brandon Carr, even though he had a bit of a down year, is better than anyone we have in our secondary; Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer are at least the equal of Raji and Perry. They have a lot of average starters; we have a lot of average starters.

Don't know much about their depth, but ours is shit - so yeah, the Cowboys and Packers are about equal. I'd give us a slight edge perhaps, but not by much.

Skip Baylessesque.

[Bretsky]

Skip Baylessesque.


Gotta call BS on this one Wist....the Cowboys OL is terrible and a step down from even ours, our WR's are just as good from #1-#4. Bryant is hands down the best but after that Dallas is Junk. Our Secondardy is way better than Dallas (they are terrible back there)as well, and Rodgers is better than Romo. Typically I'm not a homer, but we are a step ahead of Dallas talent wise

[wist43]

Gotta call BS on this one Wist....the Cowboys OL is terrible and a step down from even ours, our WR's are just as good from #1-#4. Bryant is hands down the best but after that Dallas is Junk. Our Secondardy is way better than Dallas (they are terrible back there)as well, and Rodgers is better than Romo. Typically I'm not a homer, but we are a step ahead of Dallas talent wise

We're ahead of them, but not by much. We're both in the 2nd tier of playoff caliber teams in the NFC.

I agree that their OL is worse than ours - and that's saying something, b/c our OL sucks.

As for the back end on defense... I don't think we're better than they are. We have more young guys with upside, but being perpetually young comes with its own set of problems - our guys are running in the wrong direction half the time; and while they cut down on the number of busted coverages last year, they were pretty average overall and weren't very good when it mattered. Carr is a much better corner than Williams. We have a lot more potential than they do I think, but that's all it is is potential.

Throw in Mr. Spraypaintedhair as our DC, and you have the potential for a huge mess on any given week. Unfortunately, the reality is we're not much better than the Cowboys.

[wist43]

I dunno about being an underdog to Cincy.

And the Cowboys are rebuilding their secondary again. The Packers are looking for one more safety to go along with three or four starting caliber CBs. Not the same thing.

Cincy was a playoff team last year... for them, they need Dalton to take the next step. They have a legit defense, we don't.

As for our secondary, we may not be desperate for DB's, but that doesn't mean we have a proven, productive unit. We have a bunch of young guys that have shown some potential, but they're as likely to bust a coverage as they are to make a play.

Capers is our DC, Capers spraypaints his hair every morning, the spraypaint is obviously seeping into his brain... makes for some interesting misadventures back there in the secondary.

[Joemailman]

In Wist World, the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Fritz]

In Wist World, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Until the neighbor's dog pissed in it. Wist's World is a brown, barren place where the farther away you look, the shinier it appears to be

[wist43]

Cincy was 10-6 and a playoff team. We were 11-5... it's not as if the gulf between us is unswimmable.

I would imagine all of you would argue our Packers are lightyears better than the Vikings, yes??

Week 17, @ Minnesota - we needed the win. It's not as if we were playing for nothing - yet here is what Christian Ponder and the Minnesota Vikings put on us:

Our defense gave up:
217 yds rushing
227 yds passing
1 sack
no forced turnovers
3 passing TD's and 94.6 QB rating for Ponder


Our offense:
- gave up 5 sacks
- had 72 yds rushing
- lost a fumble
- and even though Rodgers played well, we lost the game

Now why would any of you think the Green Bay Packers are head and shoulders better than any of the other 2nd tier playoff teams?? Because we have the best QB?? We had the best QB last year, and he played very well in games that we lost - what does that say about the rest of the roster??

If we're a QB driven team, and the QB performs as expected, yet we still lose - doesn't that speak to the fact that our team is woefully deficient in many other areas??

[pbmax]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

[denverYooper]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

The law of selective samples.

[wist43]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

Joe Webb as their starting QB?? How would that game have gone if Ponder were healthy, and Rodgers out?? Graham Harrell as our starting QB?? We might not have even made it to San Francisco to receive the ass whoopin' that awaited us if Ponder had played.

In that 3 game stretch, we gave up 707 yards rushing. That's an average of over 235 yds/game. Minnesota laid 37 on us when we needed a win; we got past them the next week b/c their starting QB couldn't go; then we got stomped for 323 yds and 45 points by the Niners.

We would you even try to defend any of that??

[HarveyWallbangers]

IMHO, Ponder sucks. He's still their starting QB. I was more scared of Webb than Ponder. There's a good chance that we saw the career year out of Adrian Peterson. They stayed extremely healthy last year. The Packers had a ton of injuries. Losing Jennings, Nelson, Bulaga, Bishop, Perry, Matthews, Smith, Shields, House, Wilson, etc. were big blows last year. There's a good chance the Vikings fall back this year going from a weak schedule to a meat grinder. I think they are an 8-8 team that overachieved last year. I think they'll be a better team this year, but will still lose more games with that schedule. I like our chances against the Vikings, provided the injury luck for both teams normalizes.

[wist43]

Ponder sucks. He's still their starting QB.

I don't think Ponder sucks. He isn't great; but he's okay, he's young, and he's improving.

I don't think his ceiling is very high - but then again, going against our defense, when he can post a very efficient passer rating of 120, a QB rating of 94, 227 yds passing, no turnovers, 3 passing TD's, and 37 pts... it's good enough.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've watched just about every game of the guy. He's not good, and he hasn't improved much. Even in their three game winning streak before our game, dude threw for 130 yards/game with 1 TD total in those 3 games. They ask him to dink and dunk, and he wasn't even that great at that. With Percy Harvin padding his stats for half the year on those passes that don't go past the line of scrimmage and Adrian Peterson. He had a good statistically game against us, but even that game I wasn't the impressed. He had a 65 yard throw on a play we left a guy wide open + a 25 yard pass on 3rd down that bounce off 2-3 of our guys before bouncing into the hands of Michael Jenkins. Every dog has a good statistical game every once in awhile. I watched Blaine Gabbert throw for 260, 2 TDs, and 0 picks at Minnesota, and that guy is even worse than Ponder. Heck, Rick Mirer had a good game every now and then.

[woodbuck27]

What's bullshit is that we can't hang with them.

They stomped us twice - completely man-handled and dominated us twice. We're gonna get some guys back, and that certainly will help, but we still can't measure up to them. Unless TT comes away with a couple of instant studs in the draft, and Worthy, Neal, Perry, and one of the young S's all emerge as at least red-chip players. That's asking a lot.

And given that SF lost the Superbowl, and is hungrier and angrier than they were last year, they're going to want to come out and make an opening statement for the season. I think SF is the best team in the league, and there's no reason to think they won't come out and dominate us for the 3rd time in a year.

That's alot of:

Wishin' and Hoping and Planning and ....:

http://michaeljkruger.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/man-praying-on-one-knee1.jpg

Praying !!

[woodbuck27]

:no:
We are not getting bounced in the first round again! :evil:

Put me down for 11-5 regular season, 3 - 0 post season

Hi Upnorth ....?

Are you getting an early Spring out west? Did you win the lotto? Find an excellent astrologer...a fortune teller? Find a solid set of Indian 'wishin' beads? :grin:

Locate a very special tonic? Come on please....let us in on it!?

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

We're ahead of them, but not by much. We're both in the 2nd tier of playoff caliber teams in the NFC.

I agree that their OL is worse than ours - and that's saying something, b/c our OL sucks.

As for the back end on defense... I don't think we're better than they are. We have more young guys with upside, but being perpetually young comes with its own set of problems - our guys are running in the wrong direction half the time; and while they cut down on the number of busted coverages last year, they were pretty average overall and weren't very good when it mattered. Carr is a much better corner than Williams. We have a lot more potential than they do I think, but that's all it is is potential.

Throw in Mr. Spraypaintedhair as our DC, and you have the potential for a huge mess on any given week. Unfortunately, the reality is we're not much better than the Cowboys.

That's alot like :

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OUCH !!!! That painful !

[rbaloha1]

Thank goodness MM is addressing the spread option problem on defense and not treating it as a hula hoop.

[King Friday]

Don't know much about their depth, but ours is shit - so yeah, the Cowboys and Packers are about equal. I'd give us a slight edge perhaps, but not by much.

Really wist? Have you not watched the Cowboys implode year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year?

You sit here and want us to believe that you are knowledgeable about football...then make a moronic comment like "the Cowboys and Packers are about equal." Rodgers is not just a cut above Romo...he's filet mignon to Romo's chopped steak. Romo is a joke who is extremely overhyped and continually comes up small in big games. Thompson has more football intelligence in his big toe than the Cowboys have in their entire executive brain trust. While we all recognize the weaknesses of our coaching staff, it remains significantly better than the Dallas coaching staff...so even if the rosters ARE equal (and that is a big stretch IMO because Jerruh can't draft for depth in any way shape or form) then the Packers still have a reasonable edge in coaching and preparation.

[pbmax]

No, no Ponder couldn't have been hurt and Webb did not actually play. That was just some Game Day gamesmanship on the part of Leslie Frazier.

Ponder was fine and healthy versus the Packers the previous week and we know the Packers are so soft and small that they never put a hurt on the opponents. Especially not Morgan Burnett who typifies this new small and effete lineup M3 and T2 are putting out there.

[pbmax]

From the Department of Do Not Count Your Chicken Before They Hatch:

Rick Mirer was better than Drew Bledsoe for the first and probably second year of their careers.

[Bretsky]

I have 3 words for ya Wist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtT24tvjYQ

I think many would argue I might be anti homer #2 in here.....I don't mean offense...but some don't like my reference when I note things about da homers......however


Rodgers > Romo
Pack OL > Cowboys OL
Pack WR> Cowboys WR's.........I agree Dallas has by far the best.....but if you are looking at the group you have to take GB's

Regarding the DL, I'm not sure I'd argue GB's is much better than anybody's so I'd give Dallas the edge there

BUT the Secondary.......Dallas was terrible there. I understand Green Bay is below average. But IMO anybody would take our DB's over theirs. Carr.....yes... he's the best....but their cup is completely dry after that

And we get a HUGE edge in having one of the best rookie CB's last year

Dallas praying the safety from Texas drops to them because they have Bush like talent in multiple spots back there

I agree neither team is elite. In the bigger picture, if you are giving them a 1 for Elite, a 2 for solid playoff team, and a 3 for marginal playoff team barely slipping in........

Isn't Green Bay a 2 and Dallas a 3 ????

[Smeefers]

I don't think Ponder sucks. He isn't great; but he's okay, he's young, and he's improving.

I don't think his ceiling is very high - but then again, going against our defense, when he can post a very efficient passer rating of 120, a QB rating of 94, 227 yds passing, no turnovers, 3 passing TD's, and 37 pts... it's good enough.

Agreed. Ponder doesn't suck. He's also going to have a helluva lot more talent around him this year just by adding Jennings.

[rbaloha1]

Agreed. Ponder doesn't suck. He's also going to have a helluva lot more talent around him this year just by adding Jennings.

Early in the year Ponder was having a good year.

GJ runs the route tree and definitely helps Ponder on hot reads.

[Smeefers]

I think it's hard to look too far into the future about how good SF is going to be. You have to realize that last year they had next to no injury problems. What happens if that turns around this year? If they're banged up half as bad as we were, who knows how far they get. If all the packers are healthy and in mid season form and and the 9ers are healthy and in mid season form, yes, the 9ers are probably better - but not that much.

[rbaloha1]

I think it's hard to look too far into the future about how good SF is going to be. You have to realize that last year they had next to no injury problems. What happens if that turns around this year? If they're banged up half as bad as we were, who knows how far they get. If all the packers are healthy and in mid season form and and the 9ers are healthy and in mid season form, yes, the 9ers are probably better - but not that much.

579

[pbmax]

Ponder had a lot of his early year success with Harvin and throwing very short routes/passes with a lot of WR and slot receiver screens behind the LOS. Harvin made those into gold. He had far less success throwing down the field. See every game prior to Week 17 after Harvin's injury.

With Jennings plus a draft pick and minus Harvin, the offense will look different in the pass game. Jennings is far more talented down the field than Harvin, but we'll see if Ponder can complete the routes he runs best. He won't be able to bounce 60 yard TDs off two defenders every time.

[wist43]

I have 3 words for ya Wist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtT24tvjYQ

I think many would argue I might be anti homer #2 in here.....I don't mean offense...but some don't like my reference when I note things about da homers......however


Rodgers > Romo
Pack OL > Cowboys OL
Pack WR> Cowboys WR's.........I agree Dallas has by far the best.....but if you are looking at the group you have to take GB's

Regarding the DL, I'm not sure I'd argue GB's is much better than anybody's so I'd give Dallas the edge there

BUT the Secondary.......Dallas was terrible there. I understand Green Bay is below average. But IMO anybody would take our DB's over theirs. Carr.....yes... he's the best....but their cup is completely dry after that

And we get a HUGE edge in having one of the best rookie CB's last year

Dallas praying the safety from Texas drops to them because they have Bush like talent in multiple spots back there

I agree neither team is elite. In the bigger picture, if you are giving them a 1 for Elite, a 2 for solid playoff team, and a 3 for marginal playoff team barely slipping in........

Isn't Green Bay a 2 and Dallas a 3 ????

Yeah, I suppose I'd agree with that. I consider us a 2nd tier playoff team, with the Cowboys a half step behind us. I said we were slightly better than the Cowboys, but not by much.

Listening to these homers you'd think we were a coin flip away from leaving Frisco with the George Halas trophy - we weren't, and aren't, even close to the Niners.

We're closer to the Cowboys than we are the Niners. We're 1 year removed from fielding one of the worst defenses in league history. We're 2 1/2 months removed from giving up 323 yds rushing and 45 pts in a playoff game. It's as if these homers find the facts so unacceptable that they can't rationally discuss the problems that lead to these obviously poor results. They say "what poor results"... Seargant Shultz: "I see nut-ting!!!"

Then of course, they launch into Saul Alinsky mode and call the deniers father rapers, if not outright accuse us of littering ;)

[wist43]

579

Please, no math.

Facts based on numbers will only confuse the natives.

[rbaloha1]

Please, no math.

Facts based on numbers will only confuse the natives.

I have blind obedience to MM.

[Joemailman]

Yeah, I suppose I'd agree with that. I consider us a 2nd tier playoff team, with the Cowboys a half step behind us. I said we were slightly better than the Cowboys, but not by much.

Listening to these homers you'd think we were a coin flip away from leaving Frisco with the George Halas trophy - we weren't, and aren't, even close to the Niners.

We're closer to the Cowboys than we are the Niners. We're 1 year removed from fielding one of the worst defenses in league history. We're 2 1/2 months removed from giving up 323 yds rushing and 45 pts in a playoff game. It's as if these homers find the facts so unacceptable that they can't rationally discuss the problems that lead to these obviously poor results. They say "what poor results"... Seargant Shultz: "I see nut-ting!!!"

Then of course, they launch into Saul Alinsky mode and call the deniers father rapers, if not outright accuse us of littering ;)

When the Packers won the Super Bowl 2 years ago (Yes, that really did happen), they were 1 year removed from giving up 51 points to Arizona in a playoff game. Things can change very quickly if you have players on your roster elevate their play.

[rbaloha1]

When the Packers won the Super Bowl 2 years ago (Yes, that really did happen), they were 1 year removed from giving up 51 points to Arizona in a playoff game. Things can change very quickly if you have players on your roster elevate their play.

True. However, a secondary is easier to fix than the front seven.

[wist43]

When the Packers won the Super Bowl 2 years ago (Yes, that really did happen), they were 1 year removed from giving up 51 points to Arizona in a playoff game. Things can change very quickly if you have players on your roster elevate their play.

Ron Wolf called his own accomplishment of winning the SB "a fart in the wind"... his teams were much better than our 2010 team. Ya take the win, thank the Gods, and keep your sleeves rolled up trying to improve.

Maybe that winning streak to start the 2011 season was one of the worst things that could have happened to us?? The Chiefs - of all teams - exposed us, and we've been pretty average ever since. An All-Pro QB carries us, but if an observer of this team is honest, we're below average just about everywhere else - except receiver.

Of course we are always going to be a team loaded with "potential"... we will always be among the youngest teams in the league; hence, Packerrat homers will always see every prospect as just some playing time away from the HOF.

[rbaloha1]

A-rod masks numerous defiencies.

[Smeefers]

Please, no math.

Facts based on numbers will only confuse the natives.


I have blind obedience to MM.

You two can go fuck yourselves. I try and have a discussion and you try to simplify me into a stupid yokel that just laps up what the coach has to tell us. I try and treat you two fucks like adults but all I get is this teenager bullshit.

[rbaloha1]

You two can go fuck yourselves. I try and have a discussion and you try to simplify me into a stupid yokel that just laps up what the coach has to tell us. I try and treat you two fucks like adults but all I get is this teenager bullshit.

why the bad language?

[Bretsky]

You two can go fuck yourselves. I try and have a discussion and you try to simplify me into a stupid yokel that just laps up what the coach has to tell us. I try and treat you two fucks like adults but all I get is this teenager bullshit.


Smeef...Wist ain't a bad guy. He just tends to be a bit more negative then I am but he brings up points worth debating. The ignore function might be an option to consider on the other.

[rbaloha1]

The panties are back.

[Jimx29]

12-4/11-5
winners of the Norse

[wist43]

You two can go fuck yourselves. I try and have a discussion and you try to simplify me into a stupid yokel that just laps up what the coach has to tell us. I try and treat you two fucks like adults but all I get is this teenager bullshit.

As George Costanza said to the whale, "... easy big fella".

It's all part of the food fight... trying to debate with some of the homers on here is like trying to argue facts about climate science with an alarmist believer in AGW. You point out a fact, they call you a name... happily, the sun is beginning a phase of lower activity, and we're likely to experience cooling for quite a few years moving forward - that doesn't stop them though.

You should come over to the dark side - it's cooler... literally :cool:

[rbaloha1]

As George Costanza said to the whale, "... easy big fella".

It's all part of the food fight... trying to debate with some of the homers on here is like trying to argue facts about climate science with an alarmist believer in AGW. You point out a fact, they call you a name... happily, the sun is beginning a phase of lower activity, and we're likely to experience cooling for quite a few years moving forward - that doesn't stop them though.

You should come over to the dark side - it's cooler... literally :cool:

Too many posters act like their shit do not stink.

Also too many posters lack vitamin d and live in caves the majority of the year and believe wasting bytes equals intelligence.

[woodbuck27]

As George Costanza said to the whale, "... easy big fella".

It's all part of the food fight... trying to debate with some of the homers on here is like trying to argue facts about climate science with an alarmist believer in AGW. You point out a fact, they call you a name... happily, the sun is beginning a phase of lower activity, and we're likely to experience cooling for quite a few years moving forward - that doesn't stop them though.

You should come over to the dark side - it's cooler... literally :cool:

Besides we need recruits... how should I put it...OK got it:

'Open minded' support. WE won't put recruits through any silly initiation or:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEV2lnPZj20MOtcvYti0DJ712HU_GMR zlYK5n5phjWpqP3x9teIQ

Y O U !

We're not hideous or otherwise increpid sick thinkers. Merely see things that alarm us. Question the reasons why that issue appears to us to exist.

We're also fun to have a beer with. The climate here will direct you to try to adopt a great sense of humor.

A warning! You'll get thick skin. You'll remain a dedicated Green Bay Packer fan even though you challenge the foresight of 'the homers'.

It's always still....

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Smeef...Wist ain't a bad guy. He just tends to be a bit more negative then I am but he brings up points worth debating. The ignore function might be an option to consider on the other.

Yes. Wist43 is a poster that certainly and merely trys to care. He rings 'a truth bell'. That's difficult to try to realize for many...not just a few. I promise all homers this.

You can heed Wist43's words and remain like him a Packer fan.

Any poster here>>>

If you cannot handle it ...any poster. Somehow make it disappear 'on your own'. Handle your own shit.

[Joemailman]

Yes. Wist43 is a poster that certainly and merely trys to care. He rings 'a truth bell'. That's difficult to try to realize for many...not just a few. I promise all homers this.

You can heed Wist43's words and remain like him a Packer fan.

Any poster here>>>

If you cannot handle it ...any poster. Somehow make it disappear 'on your own'. Handle your own shit.

Yes, Wist rings a truth bell until you point out that 2 years ago the Packers won the Super Bowl with the same GM, HC and DC that they have now. He'll chalk that up to luck or moon phases or something.

[wist43]

Yes, Wist rings a truth bell until you point out that 2 years ago the Packers won the Super Bowl with the same GM, HC and DC that they have now. He'll chalk that up to luck or moon phases or something.

There are Packerrats on this board that have never been cognizant of the Green Bay Packers as losers. They've known nothing but success. I endured the 70's and 80's... I've earned my stripes.

To me, winning another one in fairly short order would validate the first one more... not "moon phases", everything simply fell our way; and everyone played out of their minds. I enjoyed that win just like all Packer fans did - I wanna win another one. Been a pretty tough row to hoe since Kansas City smacked us around though.

[Fritz]

There are Packerrats on this board that have never been cognizant of the Green Bay Packers as losers. They've known nothing but success. I endured the 70's and 80's... I've earned my stripes.

To me, winning another one in fairly short order would validate the first one more... not "moon phases", everything simply fell our way; and everyone played out of their minds. I enjoyed that win just like all Packer fans did - I wanna win another one. Been a pretty tough row to hoe since Kansas City smacked us around though.

Several rats endured the 70's and 80's like you did. That's partly why this run - from Wolf to now, excepting a few bad years, has been so sweet.

[Patler]

People play up the trials and tribulations of being a Packer fan in the '70s and '80s well beyond what it really was. Yes, they had some pretty bad years in there, often several in a row. But, there were some real surprises too, and some great players to watch during that time. The Lynn Dickey lead offense was fantastic, and Lofton was unbelievable at times.

It was never a very complete team, but often it was very entertaining. Compared to what some other fans have endured with other franchises, it wasn't that bad. The problem was coming of the high of the '60s, when it dominated.

If, as a fan in any sport, your only satisfaction comes from winning a championship; you should probably find a different avenue for entertainment.