Best Thing I Have Read In A Month

[pbmax]

During draft and scouting prep Kevin Greene was contacted by the D line coach at Illinios St.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-saw-something-in-illinois-states-nate-palmer-9a9onji-205337481.html


From there, the Packers got to know Palmer better than everyone else. The meeting between Greene and Nowinsky was a mini coaching clinic. Greene broke down the pass rush for Nowinsky. And Nowinsky broke down the pistol offense for Greene, something Illinois State faces regularly.

[rbaloha1]

The niner game shall prove/disprove this type of offseason stuff.

I have watched the pistol from its inception -- with creator Ault on the niner staff as a consultant there are numerous wrinkles the Packers have not seen in live games.

Futher demonstrates the ineptness of Capers.

[rbaloha1]

Anybody can draw up white board stuff to stop any offensive and defensive schemes.

It comes down to personnel. For example the only team to control the Oregon offense was LSU since they had a distinct physical advantage.

The Packers do not have a distinct physical advantage over the niners. It is going to take a complete team effort to win the game. Hopefully we show the niners some unscouted looks.

[pbmax]

Execution of scheme can trump a physical advantage. Don't kid yourself. Look at the Vikings playoff game.

[rbaloha1]

As an ex player generally physical superiority wins.

Do not know what the VIQUEENS has anything to do with spread option and pistol stuff.

What are Packers going to do schematically against the Niners superior offensive front?

[Patler]

I suspect the Packer coaches have had more contacts than the few we have heard of, to learn all they can about the pistol. I would also expect they might devise some new wrinkles on how to approach it defensively, as will other teams. One thing about the NFL, new offensive schemes and tricks aren't new for very long.

[rbaloha1]

Please propose some schemes that counteracts the niner decided o-line physical superiority.

[pbmax]

As an ex player generally physical superiority wins.

Do not know what the VIQUEENS has anything to do with spread option and pistol stuff.

What are Packers going to do schematically against the Niners superior offensive front?

How many yards did Gore have versus CK? The line wasn't the problem. It was contain on Kapernick. That read option puts a double team on two (possibly three) D lineman. The contain problem was elsewhere.

[pbmax]

I suspect the Packer coaches have had more contacts than the few we have heard of, to learn all they can about the pistol. I would also expect they might devise some new wrinkles on how to approach it defensively, as will other teams. One thing about the NFL, new offensive schemes and tricks aren't new for very long.

Absolutely. But it was nice to read about a new one. I am still hoping they talk to the new Badger coaches. They are running a 3-4 and have faced the pistol before with Ault at Nevada.

[rbaloha1]

How many yards did Gore have versus CK? The line wasn't the problem. It was contain on Kapernick. That read option puts a double team on two (possibly three) D lineman. The contain problem was elsewhere.

Please suggest schemes to stop 579 and 323 yards rushing.

[rbaloha1]

Absolutely. But it was nice to read about a new one. I am still hoping they talk to the new Badger coaches. They are running a 3-4 and have faced the pistol before with Ault at Nevada.

I brought up Aranda's name back in January.

When Hawaii faced CK, CK was a long strider at the line of scrimmage. Improved his footwork which presents bigger problems.

[pbmax]

Please suggest schemes to stop 579 and 323 yards rushing.

As I recall your previous post, you simply refer to posts like this as meaningless numbers. :lol:

The suggestion is to be scheme sound. Just like the Vikings playoff game. I know everyone wants it to be something far more dramatic, but that is the single best thing they could do.

[rbaloha1]

Absolutely. But it was nice to read about a new one. I am still hoping they talk to the new Badger coaches. They are running a 3-4 and have faced the pistol before with Ault at Nevada.

Aranda ran a 4-3 at Hawaii and is a disciple of Greg McMackin and late eagle d coordinator Jim Johnson.

[rbaloha1]

As I recall your previous post, you simply refer to posts like this as meaningless numbers. :lol:

The suggestion is to be scheme sound. Just like the Vikings playoff game. I know everyone wants it to be something far more dramatic, but that is the single best thing they could do.

What scheme is it? Never said those number were meaningless:alc:

[rbaloha1]

I am waiting for a white board diagram as to how to stop the niners.

[Patler]

As an ex player generally physical superiority wins.

Ah, the age-old chicken/ egg quandary.

Playing with better technique can overcome physical disadvantages, but playing at similar skill level shifts the advantage to physical superiority. Wayne Gretsky was physically superior to virtually no one, but became what he was due to superiority in some basic skills and even more so in his understanding of the game and his "vision" on the ice.

Playing better within an appropriate scheme can overcome individual player disadvantages at several positions, but playing an inappropriate scheme, or playing it no better than the offense shifts the advantage back to the team with better players. I would submit that the 2010 Packers fell into the category of overcoming player weaknesses by simply play sound fundamentally across the board, and allowing the stars to shine.

[rbaloha1]

This is 2013 and the NFL has changed.

I guess this is some type of agreement the packers defensive scheme is going to contain the niners. Waiting for some suggestions not cliches.

[Patler]

Absolutely. But it was nice to read about a new one. I am still hoping they talk to the new Badger coaches. They are running a 3-4 and have faced the pistol before with Ault at Nevada.

Ya, I agree completely. The article was very interesting on several fronts. Seems like Greene might have gained valuable insight and perspective on defensive approaches to a new offense for the NFL, and on a player the Packers were then able to draft. SOmetimes success comes down to incidental events.

[rbaloha1]

I am not calling anyone out but lets talk some x's o's to contain what we know about the niner offense.

[Gunakor]

I am not calling anyone out but lets talk some x's o's to contain what we know about the niner offense.


Tell the OLB not to bite inside on fakes to Frank Gore. Walden was primarily responsible for what happened in January, from what I can remember. Walden is gone, and Perry is presumably healthy and starting. Tell Perry to hold contain and let the big guys inside swallow up Gore. That's a good place to start.

[Patler]

This is 2013 and the NFL has changed.

I guess this is some type of agreement the packers defensive scheme is going to contain the niners. Waiting for some suggestions not cliches.

Do you think this is a fundamental shift in the NFL? Different from the shift away from two-way players? Different from the shift to unlimited substitutions leading to specialists, 3 & 4 WR packages, play calling coming from the sidelines/pressbox, etc.? Different from the advent and subsequent proliferation of the original West Coast offense and its later derivations?

It isn't. It's just the next "new thing" in a league that has become enormously popular because of an unending string of new things. One of three things will happen:

1. Defenses will learn and take away the pistol offense.
2. The pistol will become the new "standard", and most everyone will employ it, leveling the field.
3. Defenses will learn to better control it, but never eliminate it; and it will remain as a variant for ever more teams.

The one thing I am certain of from having watched the NFL from a time when there were still some regular two-way players, no few handful of teams will hold the key to anything that lets them run rough-shod over the league for very long. Competition will be leveled by one of the above three scenarios.

[Patler]

I am not calling anyone out but lets talk some x's o's to contain what we know about the niner offense.

Ah! Gotcha. You can mostly ignore my previous comment, as I see what you want to do is have an X's and O's discussion. Not considering myself to be knowledgeable enough to do that, I will bow out and let you guys go at it!

[run pMc]

I am waiting for a white board diagram as to how to stop the niners.

I'd love to hear your suggestions.

I'd think playing more sound in their run contain, actually having a healthy roster, and getting rid of Walden and a gambling Woodson, and drafting more help would prevent your oft-cited '579'. Maybe that's not enough to completely "contain" the 49ers, but Super Bowl contenders aren't easily contained.

[3irty1]

I don't think actual X's and O's are going to be any different. Its not like the 49rs are inventing new blocking schemes that nobody has ever seen before... the read part of the read option is what's new and so difficult to handle. Its a battle of information. How do you stop an offense where not just ball carriers but also blockers all have dynamic assignments? How do you stop a play that isn't really even "called" until after the snap?

I think the answer to slowing down the 9ers and similar offenses in the future will be to compete on the information front. Disguising defenses is nothing new and a creative coach should be able to combat the concept by hiding assignments, frequently changing assignments, and making assignments less rigid and as dynamic as those on offense.

It would really help to score a buttload of points too.

[pbmax]

Aranda ran a 4-3 at Hawaii and is a disciple of Greg McMackin and late eagle d coordinator Jim Johnson.

Aranda ran a 3-4 at Utah State last year and is running one at UW. But I am more interested in who his opponents were (Nevada).

As important is Andersen who has a defensive background himself and faced Ault numerous times.

[rbaloha1]

Tell the OLB not to bite inside on fakes to Frank Gore. Walden was primarily responsible for what happened in January, from what I can remember. Walden is gone, and Perry is presumably healthy and starting. Tell Perry to hold contain and let the big guys inside swallow up Gore. That's a good place to start.

IMO it all starts with 3 guys committed to stop the dive play. Everyone else needs to use their eyes and stay parallel to the line of scrimmage while maintaining gap integrity.

Easier said than done when things are happening so quickly with precision.

Maybe the biggest asset -- Lacy running the ball and clock.

[woodbuck27]

During draft and scouting prep Kevin Greene was contacted by the D line coach at Illinios St.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-saw-something-in-illinois-states-nate-palmer-9a9onji-205337481.html

I don't understand why TT drafted this fella @ Rd. 6 #193 and didn't grab him as an UFA?

Was TT afraid that some other team (Bears?) might sign him as a UFA?

In any case.... I'm just in the process of assessing all of TT's picks.That takes about a week for me depended on available time. I've almost got that man cast off to the most likely to be cut in TC ... pile.

After reading that...

One.... Again >>> Why did TT draft him Rd. 6 Pick #193? A question for myself.

TWO: I'm a fan of OLB Nate Palmer. Damn it >>> I love an underdog's chances. We try harder. We usually win.

Thanks so much for that find pb.

GO PACK GO!

[pbmax]

IMO it all starts with 3 guys committed to stop the dive play. Everyone else needs to use their eyes and stay parallel to the line of scrimmage while maintaining gap integrity.

Easier said than done when things are happening so quickly with precision.

Maybe the biggest asset -- Lacy running the ball and clock.

End of the 49ers season suggest otherwise, but we'll see what happens this year.

[rbaloha1]

Without calling anyone does anyone else have more legit posts. Majority are great.

[Zool]

Would be nice if TWill was actually attempting to take ball carriers down too instead of practicing his matador skills. House seems to seek out contact, put him on the outside against the pistol. Sheilds at least tries to get in the way. The DL last year was....adequate? Nothing special. Walden is terrible and Jones is out of place quite often. Other than Matthews, the LB's were less than stellar as well. Perry sets a strong edge so getting him back should be a huge boost. If Datone can penetrate and disrupt that would help as well. If nothing else, having 3 DL eat up at least 4+ OL would be a boon to the entire D. Here's to hoping Datone is good in run as well as pass so they can have him out there with Raji and Pickett eating up blockers.

[pbmax]

Without calling anyone does anyone else have more legit posts. Majority are great.

I think they are waiting for you to tell us why 2 NFL playoff teams refused to take your advice and focus 3 guys on the give and instead sent someone running at CK to force the give? They seemed to decide that they would much rather have Gore with the ball than Kapernick.

[rbaloha1]

I think they are waiting for you to tell us why 2 NFL playoff teams refused to take your advice and focus 3 guys on the give and instead sent someone running at CK to force the give? They seemed to decide that they would much rather have Gore with the ball than Kapernick.

ngata

[rbaloha1]

Would be nice if TWill was actually attempting to take ball carriers down too instead of practicing his matador skills. House seems to seek out contact, put him on the outside against the pistol. Sheilds at least tries to get in the way. The DL last year was....adequate? Nothing special. Walden is terrible and Jones is out of place quite often. Other than Matthews, the LB's were less than stellar as well. Perry sets a strong edge so getting him back should be a huge boost. If Datone can penetrate and disrupt that would help as well. If nothing else, having 3 DL eat up at least 4+ OL would be a boon to the entire D. Here's to hoping Datone is good in run as well as pass so they can have him out there with Raji and Pickett eating up blockers.

DJ from the backside would help.

[rbaloha1]

The so called unexpert keeps chirping expert advise?:shtf:

[rbaloha1]

Would be nice if TWill was actually attempting to take ball carriers down too instead of practicing his matador skills. House seems to seek out contact, put him on the outside against the pistol. Sheilds at least tries to get in the way. The DL last year was....adequate? Nothing special. Walden is terrible and Jones is out of place quite often. Other than Matthews, the LB's were less than stellar as well. Perry sets a strong edge so getting him back should be a huge boost. If Datone can penetrate and disrupt that would help as well. If nothing else, having 3 DL eat up at least 4+ OL would be a boon to the entire D. Here's to hoping Datone is good in run as well as pass so they can have him out there with Raji and Pickett eating up blockers.

Corners getting off blocks would also help.

[rbaloha1]

Thanks for the responses -- glad you understood about using the current packer roster not other team's players.

If a team has a big line of scrimmage advantage any scheme works -- obviously the packers do not

[pbmax]

ngata

Pretty sure ngata doesn't play for the Falcons. Though I will give you this: a dominant player can make all the difference. They can be tough to locate though.

[Guiness]

Ah, the age-old chicken/ egg quandary.

Playing with better technique can overcome physical disadvantages, but playing at similar skill level shifts the advantage to physical superiority. Wayne Gretsky was physically superior to virtually no one, but became what he was due to superiority in some basic skills and even more so in his understanding of the game and his "vision" on the ice.



Gretzky. GRETZKY. GRETZKY

I don't think getting his name wrong is an act of treason in Canada, but it's damn close!:lol:

[pbmax]

Gretzky. GRETZKY. GRETZKY

I don't think getting his name wrong is an act of treason in Canada, but it's damn close!:lol:

Is it like saying Neil Peart is awesome on YYZ and saying it Why Why Zee rather than Why Why Zed?

[Freak Out]

Plus he had some tough SOBs watching his back all the time. :)

[Freak Out]

LOL.

[rbaloha1]

LOL.

At the end of the day it is desperate and pathetic:bclap:

[Patler]

Gretzky. GRETZKY. GRETZKY

I don't think getting his name wrong is an act of treason in Canada, but it's damn close!:lol:

Yup, I agree. For some stupid reason, I have continued to spell his name wrong from the time he played in Sault St. Marie. Don't know why and can't seem to stop it.

[Guiness]

Pretty sure ngata doesn't play for the Falcons. Though I will give you this: a dominant player can make all the difference. They can be tough to locate though.

There was another thread about players who can 2 gap on the inside, and Ngata can, effectively. Few can.

Interesting how much Walden is being slammed for his performance in the SF game, and Indi gave him a pretty fat contract for a guy the Pack found on the street!

[rbaloha1]

There was another thread about players who can 2 gap on the inside, and Ngata can, effectively. Few can.

Interesting how much Walden is being slammed for his performance in the SF game, and Indi gave him a pretty fat contract for a guy the Pack found on the street!

I KNOW--when i heard the coaching talking about walden i wondered what he was watching. imo it was trying to talk them into the acquisition.

[rbaloha1]

There was another thread about players who can 2 gap on the inside, and Ngata can, effectively. Few can.

Interesting how much Walden is being slammed for his performance in the SF game, and Indi gave him a pretty fat contract for a guy the Pack found on the street!

That is why Packers need to commit 3 players to the dive. Raji is not elite and gets mashed around.

[Guiness]

Yup, I agree. For some stupid reason, I have continued to spell his name wrong from the time he played in Sault St. Marie. Don't know why and can't seem to stop it.

Ah, his year in the Sault - I forgot you knew a little about Northern Ontario. He was only there for one season then went to the WHL for the money at 17. I don't know if it was skill or luck that helped him survive a season in a pro hockey league at that age.

[smuggler]

I guess this is some type of agreement the packers defensive scheme is going to contain the niners. Waiting for some suggestions not cliches.

If you are giving that the 49ers are physically superior with their O-line against our D-line, I'd say there is probably nothing that can be done schematically to stop them. It's all about containment. Limit them to 200 rushing yards and 400 yards of offense and we probably win that game.

I would say that is a realistic expectation.

If you are trying to find a way to DOMINATE the 49ers, I think your answer will be found right on top of your pillow. In your head. In your dreams. While you are asleep.

The 49ers didn't have any offensive line injuries last season. Almost undoubtedly, they will not be so lucky this year. Improving defensive awareness of players on the field via more thorough exposure to the read-option will help. Our defense getting healthier will help. A better showing against the 49ers would be a very welcome change. I don't think anyone disagrees with you there.

[Patler]

Ah, his year in the Sault - I forgot you knew a little about Northern Ontario. He was only there for one season then went to the WHL for the money at 17. I don't know if it was skill or luck that helped him survive a season in a pro hockey league at that age.

Ya, I've spent some time in rinks in Northern Ontario, Southern Ontario, too.

I've always felt the great but small players had a tougher time in Juniors, where everyone is trying to be noticed, trying to make names for themselves, and could care less who they go after.

When Gretzky was in the WHL and when he first came to the NHL, he was the chief attraction, the meal ticket.. The NHL was not in good shape, and they needed a player like Gretzky to bring in fans other than the hard core fanatics. Players knew that, and respected what a guy like Gretzky could do for the league. In a way, they needed him. Besides, if you did get a bit cheap with Gretzky, you had a couple guys like Dave Semenko coming for you!

[woodbuck27]

Yup, I agree. For some stupid reason, I have continued to spell his name wrong from the time he played in Sault St. Marie. Don't know why and can't seem to stop it.

We all do that in some sense.

I wonder... is it somehow ....Freudian?

[woodbuck27]

Ah! Gotcha. You can mostly ignore my previous comment, as I see what you want to do is have an X's and O's discussion. Not considering myself to be knowledgeable enough to do that, I will bow out and let you guys go at it!

100 X's a 100% roaring laugh.

Great one Patler.

[Guiness]

Ya, I've spent some time in rinks in Northern Ontario, Southern Ontario, too.

I've always felt the great but small players had a tougher time in Juniors, where everyone is trying to be noticed, trying to make names for themselves, and could care less who they go after.

When Gretzky was in the WHL and when he first came to the NHL, he was the chief attraction, the meal ticket.. The NHL was not in good shape, and they needed a player like Gretzky to bring in fans other than the hard core fanatics. Players knew that, and respected what a guy like Gretzky could do for the league. In a way, they needed him. Besides, if you did get a bit cheap with Gretzky, you had a couple guys like Dave Semenko coming for you!

I was going to mention Dave Semenko - he scored a dozen goals a couple of his seasons in the NHL, I think Grezky bounced the puck off his melon for half of those!

Gretzky was afforded a lot of protection, and he was also hard to hit. I remember one comment that it was like hitting a rope. I never remember seeing him get really rocked. You might be right, and players laid off him a little because of who he was, but I have a little trouble believing that, it's just goes against the nature of the game.

[Patler]

Gretzky was afforded a lot of protection, and he was also hard to hit. I remember one comment that it was like hitting a rope. I never remember seeing him get really rocked. You might be right, and players laid off him a little because of who he was, but I have a little trouble believing that, it's just goes against the nature of the game.

I think it was true with Gretzky in Edmonton, not so much after he left there. The NHL really needed him those early years. Then again. there was so much talent on those Edmonton teams that many others could barely keep up with them, let alone try to hit them!

[pbmax]

That is why Packers need to commit 3 players to the dive.

Only if you want the 49ers to score 70. If they can learn to stop CK first, as he did the bulk of the damage, then its time to worry about the give. Given how the subsequent 2 games went, CK has to be the focus first. And I am sure 49ers are working now to take advantage of teams will do to emulate the Falcons and Ravens efforts to stop Kapernick.

[Zool]

Gretzky. GRETZKY. GRETZKY

I don't think getting his name wrong is an act of treason in Canada, but it's damn close!:lol:

I thought maybe he was like Beetlejuice where you say his name 3 times and he appears?

[run pMc]

I am sure 49ers are working now to take advantage of teams will do to emulate the Falcons and Ravens efforts to stop Kapernick.

In thinking of how the Ravens sent someone to hit CK after every play (whether he handed the ball off, ran, or threw), I wonder if the coaching staff is going to ask him to run a bit less this year. Remember, CK didn't play a full season and didn't get all the bumps and bruises that go with being a running NFL QB. SF got lucky with injuries and they had Alex Smith as a capable backup...I'm not sure they want to risk that again, especially if teams show a willingness to hit CK early and often in games.

[Fritz]

Keep the outside contain. Walden AND Matthews got washed inside too often. Let Gore do his damage - or Montee Ball - but try to limit that damage with active, physical linemen and inside linebackers. Outside linebackers bottle up Kaepernick, period. That way you reduce their options from three to two.

[woodbuck27]

I think it was true with Gretzky in Edmonton, not so much after he left there. The NHL really needed him those early years. Then again. there was so much talent on those Edmonton teams that many others could barely keep up with them, let alone try to hit them!

Wow! I'm impressed.

You know the NHL. Canadian Hockey. :smile:

We're happy. WE just won GOLD at the World's under 18 tournament.

We didn't do so good in the WJH Championship and needed that win. Help is on the way.

[pbmax]

I thought maybe he was like Beetlejuice where you say his name 3 times and he appears?

Careful, don't let Ptolemy homers and Greeks catch you spelling Betelguese that way.

[Patler]

Wow! I'm impressed.

You know the NHL. Canadian Hockey. :smile:

We're happy. WE just won GOLD at the World's under 18 tournament.

We didn't do so good in the WJH Championship and needed that win. Help is on the way.

I used to follow those tournaments religiously. I remember when Jason Spezza made a name for himself as one of the few 16 year olds to ever make Team Canada for World Juniors. (Only Gretzky and Lindros, or was it Mario L. before him?) As I recall, they made a big deal about Spezza making the team, then when the tournament came he played very little. (I could be wrong on that.). I can't believe that Spezza "kid" is already 30!

That is always good hockey. I love Juniors. Kids still trying to find themselves, and make that last big step.

Heck, I watched Sidney Crosby as a 12 or 13 year old, a couple years before he defected to Shattuck in the US! :D:lol:

[Guiness]

I think it was true with Gretzky in Edmonton, not so much after he left there. The NHL really needed him those early years. Then again. there was so much talent on those Edmonton teams that many others could barely keep up with them, let alone try to hit them!

I was an Edmonton fan in the 80's (still am now, but it's hard - so hard...) and that team was ridiculous. If you were to make a list of the top 10 players in the NHL at the time, 4 were unarguably Oilers - Gretzky, Messier, Coffee and Fuhr. Two more were arguable, Kurri and Glenn Anderson. I don't mean good players, I mean top 10 in the league.

Messier was the second best center in the league, and the second line center on that team!

[Guiness]

In thinking of how the Ravens sent someone to hit CK after every play (whether he handed the ball off, ran, or threw), I wonder if the coaching staff is going to ask him to run a bit less this year. Remember, CK didn't play a full season and didn't get all the bumps and bruises that go with being a running NFL QB. SF got lucky with injuries and they had Alex Smith as a capable backup...I'm not sure they want to risk that again, especially if teams show a willingness to hit CK early and often in games.

I've said before that CK can't continue to do what he did last year. It was lightning in a bottle. There was one hit in the NFCC game in particular where he took a lick from an LB after a good run, got up, and screamed or flexed or something. Bravado, but a couple more of those and he'll be getting up a lot more slowly.

6'4" 230lbs is a lot different than 5'10" 200lbs, he's not an RB and he can not take the pounding.

[Patler]

I've said before that CK can't continue to do what he did last year. It was lightning in a bottle. There was one hit in the NFCC game in particular where he took a lick from an LB after a good run, got up, and screamed or flexed or something. Bravado, but a couple more of those and he'll be getting up a lot more slowly.

6'4" 230lbs is a lot different than 5'10" 200lbs, he's not an RB and he can not take the pounding.

Especially if he continues showing them up after the hits. He will invite even harder hits.

[bobblehead]

I think they are waiting for you to tell us why 2 NFL playoff teams refused to take your advice and focus 3 guys on the give and instead sent someone running at CK to force the give? They seemed to decide that they would much rather have Gore with the ball than Kapernick.

I disagree. They simply dedicated someone to Kapernick so he CHOSE the give. We dedicated no one to him so he ran for 181 yards, mostly without contact.

[bobblehead]

I think they are waiting for you to tell us why 2 NFL playoff teams refused to take your advice and focus 3 guys on the give and instead sent someone running at CK to force the give? They seemed to decide that they would much rather have Gore with the ball than Kapernick.

Sorry, skimming and not reading fully. You are basically correct. They didn't leave him free to roam.

[bobblehead]

Keep the outside contain. Walden AND Matthews got washed inside too often. Let Gore do his damage - or Montee Ball - but try to limit that damage with active, physical linemen and inside linebackers. Outside linebackers bottle up Kaepernick, period. That way you reduce their options from three to two.

I am not even worried about Gore in that scenario. When our OLB's stayed put we "contained" AP. It didn't hurt that their QB couldn't throw a rock in the ocean from a boat, but our guys in the middle stuffed Minnesota's OL in both games. They handled SF's OL as well....but they did so with some help, namely both OLB's that kept crashing in play after play after play after.....Its a good thing I put the guns away due to kids in the house during that game.

[rbaloha1]

Sorry, skimming and not reading fully. You are basically correct. They didn't leave him free to roam.

The Falcons lost the game.

They used your advice and lost the game.

[rbaloha1]

Only if you want the 49ers to score 70. If they can learn to stop CK first, as he did the bulk of the damage, then its time to worry about the give. Given how the subsequent 2 games went, CK has to be the focus first. And I am sure 49ers are working now to take advantage of teams will do to emulate the Falcons and Ravens efforts to stop Kapernick.

Ah! Gotcha. You can mostly ignore my previous comment, as I see what you want to do is have an X's and O's discussion. Not considering myself to be knowledgeable enough to do that, I will bow out and let you guys go at it!

Not calling you out again but it would be nice to stick your wisdom especially when you never played defense attempting to defend option.

[rbaloha1]

Especially if he continues showing them up after the hits. He will invite even harder hits.

espn demonstrated a CK protector -- walker blows up anyone attempting to hit CK

[rbaloha1]

I think they are waiting for you to tell us why 2 NFL playoff teams refused to take your advice and focus 3 guys on the give and instead sent someone running at CK to force the give? They seemed to decide that they would much rather have Gore with the ball than Kapernick.

THIS JUST IN -- THE FALCONS LOST THE GAME.

PLEASE STICK TO YOUR OWN ADVICE -- THANK YOU