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Smidgeon
07-15-2013, 01:45 PM
While I don't usually pay much attention to dead-season fluff Top-whatever lists, I find it interesting that in PFT's 26-100 on their list (with 1-25 revealed next Monday), not a single Packer has made it. Somehow, that doesn't seem even close to accurate.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/15/pfts-top-100-26-50/

Guiness
07-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Ya, either we're going to see a few Packers higher than originally expected, or they've marginalized and discounted them entirely.

Outside of the obvious 2 who will be in the top 25, I kind of think one or more of Nelson, Cobb, Finley, Raji and Twill should be top 100.

packer4life
07-15-2013, 02:29 PM
I can't argue with no Packers from 26-100. A healthy Nelson yes, but last year he didn't do much. Finley, no way not consistent and drops too many balls. TWill, come on maybe in 2010. One could make an argument that maybe Jones and Raji could be in the 80s or 90s.

Cobb is the only guy that deserves the list besides Arod and CM3, I'd put him in the 70s.

Fact of the matter is that our two blue chippers is all we really need to consistently be competitive. The Bears have like 6 on the list already, but Quitler is never going to take them to a title. Our 2 top 25ers are the difference between us and the KC Chiefs (they have way more pro-bowlers, but no "it" guys).

Smidgeon
07-15-2013, 02:43 PM
I'd include in the Top 100, but maybe not the Top 25:

Hayward
Sitton
Raji
(maybe) Burnett
(maybe) Shields

Guiness
07-15-2013, 03:43 PM
I can't argue with no Packers from 26-100. A healthy Nelson yes, but last year he didn't do much. Finley, no way not consistent and drops too many balls. TWill, come on maybe in 2010. One could make an argument that maybe Jones and Raji could be in the 80s or 90s.

Cobb is the only guy that deserves the list besides Arod and CM3, I'd put him in the 70s.

Fact of the matter is that our two blue chippers is all we really need to consistently be competitive. The Bears have like 6 on the list already, but Quitler is never going to take them to a title. Our 2 top 25ers are the difference between us and the KC Chiefs (they have way more pro-bowlers, but no "it" guys).

lol, that sums up the list right there. You're right, the Bears have 6 guys on the list so far, and I wouldn't be shocked if they tossed Cutler on there yet. Let me check...yup, still not showing them in the playoffs last year.

Vikings have one so far, and will probably only have one more, the Pack will likely also only have 2. Good job guys :bclap: :crazy:

packer4life
07-15-2013, 03:58 PM
I didn't double check the list, but I don't think the list has many guards involved. They have skewed to a lot of offensive specialists with DL/OLB and offensive tackles littered about. I thought about Sitton, but he is not top 5 in NFL in guard play. He would make the top 10 IMHO. I wouldn't put him on.

I think Hayward is deserving. He'll be on there next year.


I'd include in the Top 100, but maybe not the Top 25:

Hayward
Sitton
Raji
(maybe) Burnett
(maybe) Shields

Guiness
07-15-2013, 04:03 PM
I didn't double check the list, but I don't think the list has many guards involved. They have skewed to a lot of offensive specialists with DL/OLB and offensive tackles littered about. I thought about Sitton, but he is not top 5 in NFL in guard play. He would make the top 10 IMHO. I wouldn't put him on.

I think Hayward is deserving. He'll be on there next year.

There are a few guards - I noticed Evans, Mankins and Nicks on there, didn't look for more.

packer4life
07-15-2013, 07:22 PM
There are a few guards - I noticed Evans, Mankins and Nicks on there, didn't look for more.

Do you think Sitton was at their level last year...tough to say. I know he won awards a few years back for being a stud, but I'm not sure his play stayed at such a high level the past few years.

HarveyWallbangers
07-15-2013, 08:57 PM
I think Sitton is top 100. I don't have much qualms about anybody else not making the list. Barring injury, Cobb will be on the list next year. My hope is that Bulaga, Jones, Perry, Burnett, etc. are on the list next year.

Guiness
07-15-2013, 11:02 PM
I think Sitton is top 100. I don't have much qualms about anybody else not making the list. Barring injury, Cobb will be on the list next year. My hope is that Bulaga, Jones, Perry, Burnett, etc. are on the list next year.

Looking at the players, I kind of agree...but how do you reconcile with the general consensus of various Power Ranking, not to mention results on the field? Do some here have to acknowledge that MM is getting more with less? :shock:

I guess mostly I think it's humorous that someone has a lot of love for the Bears. I like Tillman. Briggs, not so sure. The other 4 on the list, well...if they deserve to be there, they need to fire their coach again!

HarveyWallbangers
07-16-2013, 12:30 AM
Looking at the players, I kind of agree...but how do you reconcile with the general consensus of various Power Ranking, not to mention results on the field? Do some here have to acknowledge that MM is getting more with less? :shock:

I don't think he's necessarily getting more with less. Not to take anything away from him. He's doing well, but the Packers are not devoid of talent. He has the best QB in the game. I believe Clay is one of the top 3-4 defensive players. Still probably underappreciated a bit around the league. That puts him at a major advantage. The rest of the roster is pretty well-rounded with the potential for several young players to take a step up to elite or near elite level in the next year or two. Not as well-rounded as San Fran, but they can hold their own against a majority of the league with Rodgers giving them a chance every year.

Patler
07-16-2013, 04:39 AM
Top 100, on average that is only the top 4-5 at each position. Since some positions will be higher represented, at others you need to be among the top 3-4 to be considered. How many Packers have reached that level? Williams, Shields, Raji, Finley and others that have been mentioned don't really come close. I don't think Sitton has made it there either, but might be close.

So many Packers, like Cobb, are young and just earning their reputations. Unless they take the legue by storm, it takes a few years for this type of recognition.

Smeefers
07-16-2013, 03:38 PM
AJ hawk isn't on the list? This is an outrage!

Cleft Crusty
07-16-2013, 05:53 PM
TOP whatever lists rely heavily on reputation, and a team that stays young and turns over like the Packers will have less of that name recognition.

Upnorth
07-16-2013, 05:55 PM
TOP whatever lists rely heavily on reputation, and a team that stays young and turns over like the Packers will have less of that name recognition.

Keeping in mind you are old and forgetful...

Bretsky
07-16-2013, 08:17 PM
I'd include in the Top 100, but maybe not the Top 25:

Hayward
Sitton
Raji
(maybe) Burnett
(maybe) Shields



I would not put any of those guys in the top 100
I think Burnett will be there in two years.

Sitton IMO belongs along with Rodgers and Matthews

PaCkFan_n_MD
07-16-2013, 08:19 PM
TWill and Collins would both be on the list if it wasn't for injuries suffered the first two weeks of 2011. If not for those first two weeks they would have four blue chip players. Woodson and Jennings leaving this offseason takes away two others from the count (though Woodson will soon be off the list anyways).