Official Other Teams Training Camp Thread

[Joemailman]

As mentioned in another thread' Jeremy Maclin tore his ACL.

TE Dennis Pitta out for the year with fractured hip. Ravens have signed Shiancoe.

Giants Safety Will Hill suspended 4 games. He says it's for marijuana use.

Wish I had some bad news to report on Vikings and Bears. Have to be patient.

[digitaldean]

Cutler is reportedly saying that not everyone is buying into Trestman's system. Division will be much tougher. Detroit will be toughest competition. If they could focus on field and avoid the off field police blotter issues, they could give the Pack a very tough test to win division.

[red]

the crotch that keeps peyton mannings hands warm tore his ACL today

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/28/report-dan-koppen-tore-his-acl/

[MadScientist]

Over in SF, AJ Jenkins, last years 1st rounder is sucking up a storm.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/a-j-jenkins-still-struggling-at-49ers-camp/

I'm an Illinois fan, and the second I heard them make that pick I though it was a mistake.

[Patler]

In Bear land:

DE Turk McBride - torn achilles, out for the year
LT Jermon Bushrod - injured calf, said to be not serious, but is wearing a "boot"
WR Brandon Marshall - still rehabbing from hip surgery
DE Cheta Ozaugwu - hamstring injury

[Fritz]

Been reading up on the Lions. The only players hurt are guys being held out - mostly in the secondary - for a couple of days. Nothing serious.

I wonder how Desmond Bishop is doing in Minny. Is he practicing?

[packer4life]

Nick Barnett visiting Washington today. Snoozer.

[Guiness]

Nick Barnett visiting Washington today. Snoozer.

No reason I can tell for him to be unemployed.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Been reading up on the Lions. The only players hurt are guys being held out - mostly in the secondary - for a couple of days. Nothing serious.

I wonder how Desmond Bishop is doing in Minny. Is he practicing?

He's practicing. Currently running with the #2 defense.

Ponder is his usual inconsistent self. Jennings supposedly is tearing up the defense on short routes and bubble screens.

[MadScientist]

Eagles say they won't tackle in camp. Trading better simulation of game conditions for better health. This should prove an interesting experiment. If the Eagles defense does well, look for other teams to follow their lead.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/kelly-says-eagles-wont-tackle-in-camp/
If nothing else they should be well prepared for the lack of contact allowed on QB's these days.

Other news Seattle is having health problems with another ex-Viking receiver.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/sidney-rice-getting-knee-treatment-in-switzerland/

[Tony Oday]

He's practicing. Currently running with the #2 defense.

Ponder is his usual inconsistent self. Jennings supposedly is tearing up the defense on short routes and bubble screens.

Anyone can do that against the Vikings...their secondary is so bad I actually feel bad for PA.

[Guiness]

Eric Bakhtiari, older brother of skinny minny (??) David we drafted is being worked out by Dallas after they lost their 492nd defensive lineman to ankle, groin and other assorted lower body injuries. Time to have a look at that turf Jerah!

[RashanGary]

why do we call jerry jones, "jerah"? I find it hilarious, but i dont know why.

[Guiness]

Percy Harvin announcing he's getting hip surgery. Out 3-4 months.

Seattle paid what for this guy? This will hurt them bad. They're still a good team, but a step back from where they were a week ago.

[pittstang5]

NFL Network saying Percy Harvin needs hip surgery. out 3-4 months (I can't imagine he plays this year).

[Iron Mike]

http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Woodson-I-came-here-to-make-plays/18d06153-9c85-403c-a112-81a4f170d5b9

[red]

it just blows my fucking mind that seattle gave up so much for a WR who has never been healthy and then paid him a shit load of money

i hate the queens, but they absolutely raped the sea chickens in that whole deal. and IMO they ended up with a better WR for cheaper who they didn't have to give up anything for

[packer4life]

it just blows my fucking mind that seattle gave up so much for a WR who has never been healthy and then paid him a shit load of money

i hate the queens, but they absolutely raped the sea chickens in that whole deal. and IMO they ended up with a better WR for cheaper who they didn't have to give up anything for

Traded for a 1st rounder, a 7th rounder, and a 3rd rounder next year. Then gave him 6 years 67 mill and 12 mill guaranteed.

This guy is as fragile as glass; Hawks got fleeced.

[pbmax]

it just blows my fucking mind that seattle gave up so much for a WR who has never been healthy and then paid him a shit load of money

i hate the queens, but they absolutely raped the sea chickens in that whole deal. and IMO they ended up with a better WR for cheaper who they didn't have to give up anything for

Albert Breer, whom I normally like, mentioned that Percy Harvin was a luxury signing for the Seahawks, he wasn't necessary.

So which is dumber, $25 million guaranteed to a luxury or Breer?

EDIT: According to spotrac and news reports at the time, $14 mil was fully guaranteed. $11 mil was guaranteed for injury.

[pbmax]

why do we call jerry jones, "jerah"? I find it hilarious, but i dont know why.

Written version of Texas/Arkansas accent. Not many people call him that in public.

[Guiness]

Albert Breer, whom I normally like, mentioned that Percy Harvin was a luxury signing for the Seahawks, he wasn't necessary.

So which is dumber, $25 million guaranteed to a luxury or Breer?

EDIT: According to spotrac and news reports at the time, $14 mil was fully guaranteed. $11 mil was guaranteed for injury.

Could call it a luxury, but Seattle went BPA shopping on other team's rosters. I doubt there was a better FA or player available in trade.

[swede]

Albert Breer, whom I normally like, mentioned that Percy Harvin was a luxury signing for the Seahawks, he wasn't necessary.

So which is dumber, $25 million guaranteed to a luxury or Breer?

EDIT: According to spotrac and news reports at the time, $14 mil was fully guaranteed. $11 mil was guaranteed for injury.


Could call it a luxury, but Seattle went BPA shopping on other team's rosters. I doubt there was a better FA or player available in trade.

How do we bite our fingernails over spending an extra $100 thou to hang onto key special-teamers while other teams spend mils like a lottery winner spends singles on his first night in the strip club? I like being a fan of a team with Ward Cleaver in charge instead of Mike Tyson.

[MadScientist]

Flynn on track to be the Raiders starter:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/31/5610628/so-far-flynn-is-no-flop-as-starting.html#mi_rss=Raiders

Hope he lights it up in their first game, and then in the post game interview comments how things would have been better if he didn't have the worst arm in the league.

[MadScientist]

I don't usually like laughing about injuries to players on other teams, but it can't be helped in this case.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/7/30/4573722/barry-church-jolly-rancher-injury-cowboys
Didn't his mother ever tell him not to chew on hard candies?

[Guiness]

I don't understand why Oakland got this guy.

Palmer, even if he wasn't playing lights out, was playing well. Good accuracy, TD-INT ratio not bad. He certainly wasn't the main reason for their record, and it's not like Flynn was a clear upgrade.

[MadScientist]

I don't understand why Oakland got this guy.

Palmer, even if he wasn't playing lights out, was playing well. Good accuracy, TD-INT ratio not bad. He certainly wasn't the main reason for their record, and it's not like Flynn was a clear upgrade.
The cap was too high for him and Palmer wouldn't budge. He actually took a lesser contract with AZ to be traded, so it seems he wanted out of Oakland pretty badly.

[Guiness]

The cap was too high for him and Palmer wouldn't budge. He actually took a lesser contract with AZ to be traded, so it seems he wanted out of Oakland pretty badly.

Right, I remember that now. Crazy what they gave up in picks for Palmer, then had to release him due to cap! That has to be the worst cap management ever!

[Pugger]

Traded for a 1st rounder, a 7th rounder, and a 3rd rounder next year. Then gave him 6 years 67 mill and 12 mill guaranteed.

This guy is as fragile as glass; Hawks got fleeced.

That couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of chickens.

[NewsBruin]

How do we bite our fingernails over spending an extra $100 thou to hang onto key special-teamers while other teams spend mils like a lottery winner spends singles on his first night in the strip club? I like being a fan of a team with Ward Cleaver in charge instead of Mike Tyson.

It's the difference between having a starting quarterback who costs $2.1 million through 2015 (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/)and a starting quarterback who costs $130 million through 2019. Their most expensive defensive player costs $35 through 2016. Ours is $70 million through 2018 (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/gb/packers).

You can take more stupid risks when you have key players drafted in the new CBA. Heck, I don't know what we'd do if we had to pay our corners market value.

[Guiness]

It's the difference between having a starting quarterback who costs $2.1 million through 2015 (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/)and a starting quarterback who costs $130 million through 2019. Their most expensive defensive player costs $35 through 2016. Ours is $70 million through 2018 (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/gb/packers).

You can take more stupid risks when you have key players drafted in the new CBA. Heck, I don't know what we'd do if we had to pay our corners market value.

Happily, outside of one year, the Pack was not saddled with top of the draft contracts from that stupid era. The big contracts you talk about are a third and second contract, when the players got their value. The Pack could probably afford to splurge on a player if they thought they saw someone worth it. The teams that are hurting are the Cleveland and Detroit's of the league, who may have some good players, but never had a period of time where they were outplaying their contracts.

[Fritz]

Happily, outside of one year, the Pack was not saddled with top of the draft contracts from that stupid era. The big contracts you talk about are a third and second contract, when the players got their value. The Pack could probably afford to splurge on a player if they thought they saw someone worth it. The teams that are hurting are the Cleveland and Detroit's of the league, who may have some good players, but never had a period of time where they were outplaying their contracts.

That's true. On the other hand, with its longing for parity the NFL has rewarded lousy teams with its draft system, and I would argue they try to tilt the scale even more by tending to award lousy teams (plus the Dallas Cowboys) better compensatory picks.

So I'm okay that sucky teams had to suffer for their suckiness.

As to the Lions' training camp, they are all pretty healthy and the team is optimistic. If you're looking for a GM to contrast with Thompson, it might be the Lions' GM, Martin Mayhew. He saw holes at RB, DE, kicker, and safety, and filled them all with free agents - Reggie Bush, Idonaje (sp?), David Akers, and Quin Glover. He's still looking for more veteran help in the defensive trenches. One of his starting LB's is a free agent acquisition, as is his #2 receiver.

So we'll see how that all plays out. The Lions are feeling good about themselves right now.

On the other hand, the Lions' future salary cap looks a mess. Stafford, Calvin Johnson, and Suh all have mega contracts that don't necessarily look like Ted Thompson pay-as-you-go contracts. So we'll see if this short-term attempt to win gets it done for Mayhew and The Schvantz.

[Joemailman]

Nick Barnett signs with the Redskins. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000224281/article/nick-barnett-washington-redskins-agree-to-contract

He will visit Lambeau Field on September 15.

[pbmax]

That's true. On the other hand, with its longing for parity the NFL has rewarded lousy teams with its draft system, and I would argue they try to tilt the scale even more by tending to award lousy teams (plus the Dallas Cowboys) better compensatory picks.

Great job Fritz.

[Iron Mike]

Wish I had some bad news to report on Vikings and Bears. Have to be patient.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4684315/bears-two-significant-injuries-this-morning

[denverYooper]

9ers Willis has possible slight hand fracture and Bowman has a groin.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/niners-fear-slight-fracture-in-hand-for-patrick-willis/

[Fritz]

9ers Willis has possible slight hand fracture and Bowman has a groin.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/niners-fear-slight-fracture-in-hand-for-patrick-willis/


Hey, I have a groin, too!

[Guiness]

Hey, I have a groin, too!

But your isn't worth $10 million a year.;-)

[Fritz]

Here's a link to a Detroit News article by Chris McClosky. He's a pretty reputable writer. The article points up what happens to GM's and coaches when they think they have to win this year, right now:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130731/SPORTS0101/307310085

So again, I would posit that people who don't like Ted's youth-oriented, contract-conscious, slow-moving style ought to keep an eye on the Lions this year as they seem to be the polar opposite (a nod to old poster Tank there). They've filled lots of holes with veteran free agents, pushed the future sal cap to its very limits, and seem committed to keeping vets over raw rooks.

We'll see how it plays out, this year, and in the next five, too.

[pbmax]

Here's a link to a Detroit News article by Chris McClosky. He's a pretty reputable writer. The article points up what happens to GM's and coaches when they think they have to win this year, right now:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130731/SPORTS0101/307310085

So again, I would posit that people who don't like Ted's youth-oriented, contract-conscious, slow-moving style ought to keep an eye on the Lions this year as they seem to be the polar opposite (a nod to old poster Tank there). They've filled lots of holes with veteran free agents, pushed the future sal cap to its very limits, and seem committed to keeping vets over raw rooks.

We'll see how it plays out, this year, and in the next five, too.

Ian Rapapport and and others are singing the Leo's praises as they watch them practice. Compare D Line to a basketball team and love Reggie Bush running screens, draws and flexing outside to the slot.

[Fritz]

Ian Rapapport and and others are singing the Leo's praises as they watch them practice. Compare D Line to a basketball team and love Reggie Bush running screens, draws and flexing outside to the slot.

That could be an ugly game at Ford Field on Thanksgiving. The Packer O-line better get their shit together, and the defense needs to play disciplined football.

[run pMc]

That could be an ugly game at Ford Field on Thanksgiving. The Packer O-line better get their shit together, and the defense needs to play disciplined football.

Agree...the Lions aren't pushovers. If the Packers can actually have a respectable running game this year then they can play ball control and wear out that defense. By the 4Q they might not be so excited to see Eddie Lacy, who I can just picture playing for that Turkey Leg award John Madden gives out.

Either way, if the Lions are mortgaging their future it's quite a gamble...I could see them having a bounce back year and pushing for a playoff spot, but IMO there are too many other strong contenders in the NFC.

[pbmax]

49ers having an injury outbreak of their own.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/report-49ers-cornerback-chris-culliver-suffers-torn-acl/

I think they and the Eagles are running away with the torn ACL in camp contest.

[Guiness]

49ers having an injury outbreak of their own.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/report-49ers-cornerback-chris-culliver-suffers-torn-acl/

I think they and the Eagles are running away with the torn ACL in camp contest.

Didn't they have the lowest number of injuries, by a pretty good margin last year?

[Upnorth]

Didn't they have the lowest number of injuries, by a pretty good margin last year?

Yes they list one starter if I remember right, Alex smith. Also since we are talking niners, 579

[Freak Out]

How about that Riley Cooper! Way to go man!

[pbmax]

How about that Riley Cooper! Way to go man!

If I were Riley's family, I would be worried about the fact that his friend (was it Kelcie?) basically said he was drunk and he gets like that sometimes. Perhaps you should drink less Riley, if you get that angry.

There was video posted of another near fight he got into earlier in that same day while tailgating.

[Iron Mike]

http://prod.static.bears.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/events/training-camp/training_camp_02.jpg

Q. What did the Bears fan get on his SAT???

A. Drool.

[denverYooper]

Bishop has had an injury setback: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/58785/vikings-bishop-injury-solidifies-henderson

[Joemailman]

Eagles have lost their 2nd WR to a torn ACL. First Jeremy Maclin, now Arrelious Benn.

Same for SD WR Danario Alexander.

[Patler]

Lots of guys going down:

Jared Allen, apparently rather significant ankle injury:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Jared-Allen-injures-ankle.html

Falcons lose the possible replacement for Clabo at RT. Broken leg and dislocated ankle. (Had to be ugly looking.)
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Falcons-tackle-Johnson-suffers-fractured-fibula-dislocated-ankle.html

[Upnorth]

Bears being Bears
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/58906/cutler-throws-4-picks-o-still-learning

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 6m
And Saints HC Sean Payton announced DE Kenyon Coleman has been lost with a season-ending chest injury.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
And Saints HC Sean Payton said WR Joe Morgan is out for the season with a torn ACL.

[Fritz]

Here's a link to a Detroit Free Press article which discusses the relatively injury-free camp the Leos are having so far.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130808/SPORTS01/308080038/detroit-lions-injuries

But even when healthy, they still suck. Hate those bastards, or, more accurately, the fans.

Another article on their first round pick, Ansah, said he looks pretty good but does not seem to be enjoying the football at all - he apparently walks around looking unhappy, body language shows him slumping, though he says he's fine.

[denverYooper]

Here's a link to a Detroit Free Press article which discusses the relatively injury-free camp the Leos are having so far.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130808/SPORTS01/308080038/detroit-lions-injuries

But even when healthy, they still suck. Hate those bastards, or, more accurately, the fans.

Another article on their first round pick, Ansah, said he looks pretty good but does not seem to be enjoying the football at all - he apparently walks around looking unhappy, body language shows him slumping, though he says he's fine.

Is Bedard reporting on the Lions now? Wasn't he the one who always commented on body language?

[run pMc]

What are the odds of a top 10 pick who doesn't enjoy football panning out?

[Joemailman]

Bears being Bears
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/58906/cutler-throws-4-picks-o-still-learning

Cutler throws 4 INT's. Weird that they'd be game-planning for their game at Lambeau this early.

[Fritz]

Now that's some funny shit right there, Joe. Good one!

[denverYooper]

Cutler throws 4 INT's. Weird that they'd be game-planning for their game at Lambeau this early.

2 INTs by the DL. Maybe that's why we brought Jolly back.

[pbmax]

2 INTs by the DL. Maybe that's why we brought Jolly back.

Jolly and Raji will feast on it.

The Jolly Raji !!

[swede]

Now that's some funny shit right there, Joe. Good one!

Joe and PB are having a great camp.

[George Cumby]

Joe and PB are having a great camp.

Swede and Fritz pushing for playing time.

[denverYooper]

Thought this was interesting, since many rats wanted GB to bring in SJax (I among them)...

@evansilva


4. Steven Jackson = biggest worry of night. Appeared to really struggle w/movement. Like he is stiffening up. Saw that happen to Randy Moss.

Might be that he's older and will take longer to loosen up for the season, might be that he's approaching "a year too late".

[cheesner]

The Jolly Raji !!

Love it! Someone needs to do a pirate theme photoshop job.

[denverYooper]

Love it! Someone needs to do a pirate theme photoshop job.

Don't forget the Dread Pirate Rodgers.

[Zool]

Don't forget the Dread Pirate Rodgers.

As you wish

[Joemailman]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Blackmon-had-to-be-removed-from-field.html

Is Jax WR Justin Blackmon the NFL's dumbest player? He got into a verbal altercation with a Miami CB that became so heated he had to be removed from the field by a teammate for a while. Blackmon was actually not playing because he's out with a groin injury. Oh, and he's suspended for the first 4 regular season games due to substance abuse.

[smuggler]

Last I checked, SF cornerback Parrish Cox raped a teammate's girlfriend, so no, Blackmon is not the NFL's dumbest player.

[wist43]

Not to defend Riley Cooper, but rather assail a hypersensative culture where people wear pink ribbons for causes to show how "sensative" they are... they are the sick the ones, and they are in the majority.

How old is Cooper?? He's a freaking kid - kids say stupid shit... get over yourselves and move on. Instead, you're gonna tattoo a scarlett letter on this kid's forehead for life.

That's far more belligerent and ugly than some kid with a few drinks in him saying something stupid.

Ugly Amerikans... masquerade as light-givers, yet underneath the hypocracy of filth and corruption.

[wist43]

Good morning btw... tis a fine, sunny morning :)

[mraynrand]

http://prod.static.bears.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/events/training-camp/training_camp_02.jpg

Q. What did the Bears fan get on his SAT???

A. Drool.

What is Brett Favre doing at Bear's camp wearing a Forte Jersey?

[Joemailman]

What is Brett Favre doing at Bear's camp wearing a Forte Jersey?

Oh No!. Is that a camera in his hands?

[Iron Mike]

And with a preseason win over the SD Chargers, it's time to just hand the title to the Seadderal Pharmaseahawks.....

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1003513_533889226667039_1881821811_n.jpg

[Iron Mike]

http://t.qkme.me/3vgty7.jpg

[Patler]

What is Brett Favre doing at Bear's camp wearing a Forte Jersey?

Waiting to meet with the Bears staff, to:

a. Discuss how to beat the Packers; and
b. Negotiate a return to the NFL as the Bears starter.

[Patler]

Oh No!. Is that a camera in his hands?

Looks like it could be pointed down, too; doesn't it?

[swede]

Oh No!. Is that a camera in his hands?


Looks like it could be pointed down, too; doesn't it?

Indeed, and I'm catching a glimpse of the new Visanthe Shiancoe ap.

[red]

Jaamal charles just got carted off the field in KC

[swede]

Jaamal charles just got carted off the field in KC

They are dismissing the injury as a strained foot. What can strain except the arch? And that injury would be a bitch for a running back.

Are other ligaments strained? Toes? Good luck with that. I wish I knew a Kansas City fan for taunting purposes.

[Guiness]

They are dismissing the injury as a strained foot. What can strain except the arch? And that injury would be a bitch for a running back.

Are other ligaments strained? Toes? Good luck with that. I wish I knew a Kansas City fan for taunting purposes.

I just knocked him down to spot 15 in my Fantasy player ranking

[red]

They are dismissing the injury as a strained foot. What can strain except the arch? And that injury would be a bitch for a running back.

Are other ligaments strained? Toes? Good luck with that. I wish I knew a Kansas City fan for taunting purposes.

I wonder if he could be a lisfrac injury

For him to have to be carted off, i would guess it has to be something someone serious

[Joemailman]

Reid says Charles might practice tomorrow.

Chargers' WR Malcolm Floyd carted from field with knee injury. Last week they lost Danario Alexander with an ACL.

[swede]

I wonder if he could be a lisfrac injury

For him to have to be carted off, i would guess it has to be something someone serious

Yes, but then they say it's nothing serious and he'll be back in a day. I was always annoyed by those guys in high school that rolled around in agony with trainers and coaches kneeling over them and then they were back in on the next series.

Maybe he was just punching out early. It's not above NFL players to fake it if the situation calls for it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgQULPRKLc

[pbmax]

Bishop trying to get on field, should play this weekend:


His absence from last Friday’s preseason opener was because of a groin pull he suffered a week earlier, another injury obstacle at an inopportune time. No wonder Bishop’s anxiety has elevated as a critical stretch arrives.


On the field, Bishop has shown his experience, his energy and what Frazier calls “a cleverness” to be active in plays. There are few doubts that, at full strength, Bishop can be a run stopper and adept against the pass.

During Monday’s practice, he worked as the weakside linebacker with the second-unit defense. Marvin Mitchell remains the starter on the weakside. And Tyrone McKenzie is in the mix as well, his value enhanced by his role as a core special teamer.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/219344421.html

[Fritz]

Bishop trying to get on field, should play this weekend:





http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/219344421.html

For a guy so many Packer fans thought was irreplaceable, Bishop seems to be fighting to be a starter. If he can get on the field.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Still would have liked to keep him. The way this team works, either AJ Hawk or Brad Jones or both will go down with injuries soon enough.

[Fritz]

Yeah, but so did and so will Bishop. He's not playing yet. So if Jones or Hawk go down, what good is an injured Bishop?

[Joemailman]

Tom Brady leaves practice with left knee injury. Same knee he injured several years ago. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tom-Brady-leaves-practice-with-left-knee-injury.html

Von Miller arrested for missing court appearance regarding traffic violation. He's also involved in appealing a 4 game suspension by the NFL for substance abuse. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Von-Miller-arrested-for-missing-court-appearance.html

[red]

That could be massive news about brady

[Joemailman]

That could be massive news about brady

If he's out, Tebowmania returns!

[red]

If he's out, Tebowmania returns!

Mighty satan help us all

[mraynrand]

If he's out, Tebowmania returns!

nah - Ryan Mallett

[Fritz]

Mighty satan help us all

So funny I spit up!

[pbmax]

Lot's of jokes about Tebow's birthday wish today.

Brady is said to have just a sprain.

[denverYooper]

Lot's of jokes about Tebow's birthday wish today.

Brady is said to have just a sprain.

If Patriotspeak is like Packerspeak, then that covers a whole range of possibilities.

[pbmax]

If Patriotspeak is like Packerspeak, then that covers a whole range of possibilities.

Well, they did say day to day in one report, which is a timetable but it covers out for the year at the same time.

[Guiness]

If he's out, Tebowmania returns!

Ya, I think Mallet-mania is much more likely...although isn't he out with a concussion right now? Maybe you're right, Tebowmania it is! They play in 2 days (Friday). Who else do they have in camp? Could Tebow conceivably start? If they win, is there a quarterback controversy?:butt:

[Patler]

Raiders lost their starting LT, Veldheer, for the season (maybe "designated to return"):

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Raiders-Jared-Veldheer-tears-triceps-could-miss-season.html

[Fritz]

Was yesterday Timmy Tebow's birthday? Mine is today. Eww. So I nearly share a birthday with Timmy Tebow, and share a birthday with Julia Child.

Sigh.

Ryan Mallet's an interesting guy. I still can't tell whether he's a potential NFL starter, or just a long-winged backup.

[Cheesehead Craig]

For a guy so many Packer fans thought was irreplaceable, Bishop seems to be fighting to be a starter. If he can get on the field.
Word up here is that if Bishop can't get on the field and start making plays, he may not even make the team.

[Fritz]

Word up here is that if Bishop can't get on the field and start making plays, he may not even make the team.

Well, let's see what happens. If he gets healthy, gets on the field, makes physical plays, plays well, then Wist can say "I told you so."

If he can't get healthy, then it's my turn.

[mraynrand]

Was yesterday Timmy Tebow's birthday? Mine is today. Eww. .

really. Stay classy, San Diego.

[pbmax]

Smart Football ‏@smartfootball 18m
Eagles score TD on true "zone read triple option" w/ Cooper as option pitch. I guess this means Oregon will run Power-I come regular season

Things are getting weirder by the minute. Next you are going to tell me we are going to pay college athletes.

And that English soccer is going to be on an American over-the-air network.


* Just realized something. My kids are going to think TV's with antenna's are some old school witchcraft that only old cranks would watch. Kind of like how I viewed my Grandfather's shortwave and ham radios. Getting old.

[hoosier]

If you want to really freak em out, swap out the cordless (if you still have land line) for an old rotary phone from the basement.

[swede]

If you want to really freak em out, swap out the cordless (if you still have land line) for an old rotary phone from the basement.

About 1998 there was still a rotary dial phone backstage of a theater we were using for a community play. A girl of about 12 needed to use the phone and was directed to its whereabouts. I'll never forget the mystified, bewildered look on her face as she re-appeared--stymied by wheel holes where the buttons should have been. She had a kind of "You have got to be kidding me!" look on her face as we described how fingers go into the numbered holes and spin up to the stop before letting it go to spin back and then do the next number. Sounds weird if you have to explain it.

[pbmax]

About 1998 there was still a rotary dial phone backstage of a theater we were using for a community play. A girl of about 12 needed to use the phone and was directed to its whereabouts. I'll never forget the mystified, bewildered look on her face as she re-appeared--stymied by wheel holes where the buttons should have been. She had a kind of "You have got to be kidding me!" look on her face as we described how fingers go into the numbered holes and spin up to the stop before letting it go to spin back and then do the next number. Sounds weird if you have to explain it.

Hated dialing them (especially if you had a 9 in the number you had to dial) but loved the sound and the handsets were vastly superior to anything today.

I have an Official NFL Helmet phone downstairs, but its a fancy push button.

[smuggler]

I wouldn't mind an old-timey handset, if I ever get a landline.

[Patler]

Hated dialing them (especially if you had a 9 in the number you had to dial) but loved the sound and the handsets were vastly superior to anything today.

When we got our first rotary, within our own exchange all we had to dial were the last four digits. It still seemed to take a long time.

[denverYooper]

When we got our first rotary, within our own exchange all we had to dial were the last four digits. It still seemed to take a long time.

Until I was 10 or so, we only had to dial 5 digits and my grandparents still had a party line.

[Maxie the Taxi]

"Number Pleeeazzzz!"

http://youtu.be/k9e3dTOJi0o

[ThunderDan]

Hated dialing them (especially if you had a 9 in the number you had to dial) but loved the sound and the handsets were vastly superior to anything today.

I have an Official NFL Helmet phone downstairs, but its a fancy push button.

The rotary phone is why large metropolitan areas got 312 or low numbers for area codes so you wouldn't have to "dial" as long.

[packer4life]

Hey how bout we stick to football, as interesting as the rotary phone may be.

[denverYooper]

http://youtu.be/C6cxNR9ML8k

[hoosier]

About 1998 there was still a rotary dial phone backstage of a theater we were using for a community play. A girl of about 12 needed to use the phone and was directed to its whereabouts. I'll never forget the mystified, bewildered look on her face as she re-appeared--stymied by wheel holes where the buttons should have been. She had a kind of "You have got to be kidding me!" look on her face as we described how fingers go into the numbered holes and spin up to the stop before letting it go to spin back and then do the next number. Sounds weird if you have to explain it.

A girl needed to use the phone. What a wonderful irony: a story about youth and anachronism that is itself, now, completely anachronistic!

(Numerous classroom experiments confirm that kids born after 1990 or so have no conception of the history of telephone technology. They believe that cell phones have been around since the dawn of time.)

[Maxie the Taxi]

What's a "cell phone?"

[hoosier]

What's a "cell phone?"

http://prisoncellphones.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/prison-phone.jpg

[mraynrand]

What's a "cell phone?"

http://teachmeawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fact60-500x500.jpg

[SaladFinger]

Slamming a cell phone down after an aggravating call, just doesnt feel as good as slamming the old heavy black handset back down on the phone....

[denverYooper]

Slamming a cell phone down after an aggravating call, just doesnt feel as good as slamming the old heavy black handset back down on the phone....

And you can't really pull this off with a celly (scene at 1:40):

http://youtu.be/68epYBCtFWI

[swede]

Apparently Vikings fullback Jerome Felton will miss the rest of the preseason after having an appendectomy. Felton was a lead blocker for Adrian Peterson last year. NFL scouts are saying that Felton has no idea how to operate a rotary dial telephone.

[Willard]

Apparently Vikings fullback Jerome Felton will miss the rest of the preseason after having an appendectomy. Felton was a lead blocker for Adrian Peterson last year. NFL scouts are saying that Felton has no idea how to operate a rotary dial telephone.
:grin: well played, sir!

[packer4life]

Bishop played 8/16 against the Bills. Here is the article on his performance. Looks like he had a good 1/2 sack on a blitz, but also showed rust in missing a few tackles/assignments.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_23885813/minnesota-vikings-linebacker-desmond-bishop-relieved-get-first?source=rss

[denverYooper]

Ball nearly got PFM killed in pass pro last night, FWIW.

[swede]

Ball nearly got PFM killed in pass pro last night, FWIW.

Does the F preceding PFM stand for "Francis" or a crudity?

Never mind; I'm going with crudity either way.

[denverYooper]

Does the F preceding PFM stand for "Francis" or a crudity?

Never mind; I'm going with crudity either way.

I just assumed crude.

[denverYooper]

Ball nearly got PFM killed in pass pro last night, FWIW.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2013/08/19/what-caused-peyton-manning-to-take-that-brutal-hit-in-the-seahawks-game/20845

The best part about this (for me) is that Broncos fans were "glad" they got Ball instead of Lacy after the hubub about Lacy being overweight. Maybe they'll change their minds after the games start rolling.

[Guiness]

Awesome Tebow statline from game vs Tampa:


Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
T. Tebow 1/7 -1 0 1

Of course, he did have 6 runs for 30 yards!

[denverYooper]

I'm hearing that Von Miller's suspension is going to be 6 games. Yikes.

[Guiness]

I'm hearing that Von Miller's suspension is going to be 6 games. Yikes.

Ya, the pundits love that team, but with VM out and Dummerville gone, not sure how they're getting to the passer.

[denverYooper]

Ya, the pundits love that team, but with VM out and Dummerville gone, not sure how they're getting to the passer.

And Wolfe went down with a neck injury. Their pass rush is going to be in trouble.

[pbmax]

49ers and Chiefs have traded disappointing receivers, Jon Baldwin and AJ Jenkins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/chiefs-49ers-swap-disappointing-draft-picks/

[denverYooper]

49ers and Chiefs have traded disappointing receivers, Jon Baldwin and AJ Jenkins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/chiefs-49ers-swap-disappointing-draft-picks/


SI_DougFarrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar


The 49ers also sent three Nickelback bootlegs and a case of Natty Light to the Chiefs for a signed copy of Tom Arnold's autobiography.

[packer4life]

49ers and Chiefs have traded disappointing receivers, Jon Baldwin and AJ Jenkins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/chiefs-49ers-swap-disappointing-draft-picks/

#busts

[mraynrand]

49ers and Chiefs have traded disappointing receivers, Jon Baldwin and AJ Jenkins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/chiefs-49ers-swap-disappointing-draft-picks/



#busts

http://www.damncoolteez.com/products/square/1042262.png

[Joemailman]

Gronkowski doubtful for Week 1. Not sure if he'll go on PUP. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000231774/article/rob-gronkowski-doubtful-for-patriots-week-1 Good thing they have Aaron...nevermind.

[pbmax]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/sharrif-floyd-likely-out-for-remainder-of-preseason/

Sharrif Floyd is out the rest of the preseason with a knee procedure.


Kirk Cousins sprained his foot. Victor Cruz is hobbled as well and may miss preseason.

[denverYooper]

Von Miller's been having a rough month:
1.) Pending drug-related suspension, probably 6 games
2.) Warrant for arrest for failure to appear in court on traffic-related charges
3.) Now listed as a witness in the brutal murder of 5 people in Denver (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/19/4638310/von-miller-murder-witness-2012). Apparently, he is listed in court documents as a "friend of an associate of the accused".

Not only are this dude's chicken's coming home to roost, they're taking the hyperloop to get there.

[Guiness]

Von Miller's been having a rough month:
1.) Pending drug-related suspension, probably 6 games
2.) Warrant for arrest for failure to appear in court on traffic-related charges
3.) Now listed as a witness in the brutal murder of 5 people in Denver (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/19/4638310/von-miller-murder-witness-2012). Apparently, he is listed in court documents as a "friend of an associate of the accused".

Not only are this dude's chicken's coming home to roost, they're taking the hyperloop to get there.

Holy crap! Lotta shit going on in that guy's life. There was another player, a little while ago, that was associated with a murder that the the police wanted to talk to...what was his name again? Herman? Henning? Hernandez, that's it! lol

The murderer is named Dexter - I guess he did it out of peer pressure, have to keep up with the other Dexter's, right?:rs:

[Patler]

Von Miller's been having a rough month:
1.) Pending drug-related suspension, probably 6 games
2.) Warrant for arrest for failure to appear in court on traffic-related charges
3.) Now listed as a witness in the brutal murder of 5 people in Denver (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/19/4638310/von-miller-murder-witness-2012). Apparently, he is listed in court documents as a "friend of an associate of the accused".

Not only are this dude's chicken's coming home to roost, they're taking the hyperloop to get there.

I don't remember, was he considered to be a character risk before his draft?

[Guiness]

I don't remember, was he considered to be a character risk before his draft?

Don't think so. When he was arrested for the failure to appear, it was outside a gun club, not sure how I feel about that.

[MadScientist]

49ers and Chiefs have traded disappointing receivers, Jon Baldwin and AJ Jenkins.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/chiefs-49ers-swap-disappointing-draft-picks/

Not surprised that Jenkins was a bust, but surprised that SF dumped him so fast. Hope their first round this year pans out like Jenkins. They should fire the scout who recommended him, because it had to be more off stat sheets than tape.

Note, I don't hate Jenkins and I hope he does well at KC. I just didn't think he was all that good for Illinois and was baffled by the pick.

[Guiness]

Antonio Smith and Richie Incognito at it again. Smith ripped off Incognito's helmet at the end of the play and swung it at him. Last year Smith kicked him! Incognito was 'recognized' as NFL's second dirtiest player last year, and said it was a badge of honour.

[denverYooper]

I don't remember, was he considered to be a character risk before his draft?

I don't think so. He always comes off as pretty humble in his local interviews too. He wears goofy glasses/hats at times but a lot of times it was to support some cause or another.

This whole avalanche of things regarding his private life is new and has all come down over the last month. It's too bad, really, because he's an incredible player. From local chatter, it sounds like he might have Jolly's problem of choosing his peers poorly.

[Patler]

Dustin Keller:

Dislocated knee
torn ACL
torn MCL
torn PCL

[denverYooper]

Dustin Keller:

Dislocated knee
torn ACL
torn MCL
torn PCL

I think that's when you can say his knee was "shredded".

[Guiness]

Not surprised that Jenkins was a bust, but surprised that SF dumped him so fast. Hope their first round this year pans out like Jenkins. They should fire the scout who recommended him, because it had to be more off stat sheets than tape.

Note, I don't hate Jenkins and I hope he does well at KC. I just didn't think he was all that good for Illinois and was baffled by the pick.

Has to be the fastest a 1st round player has been let go since Dimitrius Underwood!

[mraynrand]

. They should fire the scout who recommended him, because it had to be more off stat sheets than tape..

He probably matched the average curve for receptions - what's a scout to do?

[mraynrand]

Dustin Keller:

Dislocated knee
torn ACL
torn MCL
torn PCL

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?21899-Lindsey-Vonn-Living-Legend/page3&highlight=lindsay+vonn

[packer4life]

Von Miller out 6 games for violation. Ouch.

Also, looks like MM is coaching the Giant's OL as well:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/baas-injury-has-giants-shuffling-the-line/

[pbmax]

Von Miller out 6 games for violation. Ouch.

Also, looks like MM is coaching the Giant's OL as well:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/baas-injury-has-giants-shuffling-the-line/

I love when everyday situations (or possibly staged everyday situations) play havoc with the Drug Program.

Miller drops sample, theoretically drinks too much water to pee again in the allowed time frame and gets busted for diluted sample.

Butterfingers or Biogenesis client?

[Guiness]

I love when everyday situations (or possibly staged everyday situations) play havoc with the Drug Program.

Miller drops sample, theoretically drinks too much water to pee again in the allowed time frame and gets busted for diluted sample.

Butterfingers or Biogenesis client?

Is that what happened? Where did you see that? I haven't seen anything other than him saying that the test wasn't positive, and I don't think he's the most reliable source of information. I love his other story, quote, "The crazy thing is, I haven’t heard anything from the NFL" then later the same day we find out the suspension went through, meaning he already had his appeal. Personally, I consider attending an appeal hearing to fall in the category of 'hearing from the league"

[Joemailman]

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/20/von-miller-suspended-for-the-first-six-games-of-the-2013-season/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp


According to multiple sources and reported by multiple outlets, Miller was flagged in the testing process for a diluted sample, and the NFL announced that he would be suspended as a result. Miller had already tested positive for marijuana and amphetamines in 2011, and there was some discussion as to whether Miller would appeal the testing process leading to that result. He met last Thursday to decide whether to appeal his current suspension, and decided not to at that time.

Not sure where PB got the more detailed information.

[pbmax]

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/20/von-miller-suspended-for-the-first-six-games-of-the-2013-season/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp



Not sure where PB got the more detailed information.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/19/spilled-urine-diluted-urine-led-to-von-miller-mess/

[pbmax]

I don't remember, was he considered to be a character risk before his draft?

Funny you should ask because Albert Breer would like you to know there is nothing to worry about.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 9m
A few things on Von Miller's background, from club scouting reports ... So you can have a more accurate picture on the kid.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 12m
1) Miller was known at A&M to be a guy who grew up as he went along, so sometimes he'd have to learn the hard way. Not unusual stuff.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 12m
2) Miller didn't fail any drug tests at A&M, but did serve a suspension for an academic reason. Again, more immaturity than anything else.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 10m
3) Only things Miller had on his record were speeding tickets that led to a license suspension, and admission he smoked a little pot in HS.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 10m
4) All the problems Miller had coming in were considered very manageable. College kid-type things. Needed to grow up a little, that's all.

[denverYooper]

Le'Von Bell with a lisfranc.

Will Carroll ‏@injuryexpert 3m

Lisfranc for Bell according to reports. Likely ends his season.

[Fritz]

And the Detroit Leos continue to have phenomenal luck on the injury front. Couple guys being held out for .... hold your breath ... one practice.

They are also signing vets off the street left and right. Signed three defensive players the other day - a lineman, a linebacker, a defensive back. Then they signed a veteran tackle. Don't have the names off the top of my head.

[denverYooper]

Yeah, well, they suck anyway.

If Schottey is to be believed, the Kitties signed all of those players because their D has looked like shit so far.

[pbmax]

Le'Von Bell with a lisfranc.

Will Carroll ‏@injuryexpert 3m

Lisfranc for Bell according to reports. Likely ends his season.

Steelers saying 6-8 weeks.

[denverYooper]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the 9ers D this year. It's been the heart and soul of that team, but there have been some injuries and changes lately. Notably, their safety situation is up in the air. Packers fans know well the problems that can arise when your Safeties can be had.

Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch 11m

#49ers have placed safety Darcel McBath (foot) on IR; signed LB Joe Holland, who spent 2012 offseason with team.

[MadScientist]

Two Bucs players have staph infections (possibly toe injury related).
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/report-carl-nicks-lawrence-tynes-contracted-staph-infections/

Hopefully the Packers are on top of disinfecting the locker room. If not, bleach the hell out of it before this strikes here.

[denverYooper]

Two Bucs players have staph infections (possibly toe injury related).
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/report-carl-nicks-lawrence-tynes-contracted-staph-infections/

Hopefully the Packers are on top of disinfecting the locker room. If not, bleach the hell out of it before this strikes here.

Just send red up there with a gallon of white lightning.

[mraynrand]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the 9ers D this year. It's been the heart and soul of that team, but there have been some injuries and changes lately. Notably, their safety situation is up in the air. Packers fans know well the problems that can arise when your Safeties can be had..

Looks like SF may need the 'Savior of Safeties'

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/LordBigby.jpg (http://s453.photobucket.com/user/mraynrand/media/LordBigby.jpg.html)

[denverYooper]

Apparently Luke Kuechly is putting the league on notice tonight.

[Fritz]

Looks like SF may need the 'Savior of Safeties'

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/LordBigby.jpg (http://s453.photobucket.com/user/mraynrand/media/LordBigby.jpg.html)

Thy rod and thy staph, they do not comfort me.

[hoosier]

Apparently Luke Kuechly is putting the league on notice tonight.

Is he quitting? Did he give the full two weeks?

[denverYooper]

Is he quitting? Did he give the full two weeks?

Lol. I didn't watch the game but my twitter feed was stacked full of tweets about him killing the Ravens last night.

[Pugger]

The Ravens didn't look very good for most of the game last night. I know it was just a preseason game but if I were a Raven fan I'd be concerned.

[denverYooper]

Lions being Lions:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/23/schwartz-benches-one-of-his-five-personal-foulers/

5 personal fouls in a preseason game? Does that make them tough, aka not "soft"?

[Pugger]

That makes them what the are - thugs. I was reading the GDT on football's future's NE forum a little while ago and the NE fans were bitching about how dirty the Loins are. I was tempted to post that we see this crap from them twice a year.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Watching the game last night I was thinking what if Luke Kuechly and the Claymaker were in the same LB corps. Wow.

[denverYooper]

That makes them what the are - thugs. I was reading the GDT on football's future's NE forum a little while ago and the NE fans were bitching about how dirty the Loins are. I was tempted to post that we see this crap from them twice a year.

The Seahawks were playing very dirty last week v. the Broncos. Lots of late hits and little BS past the whistle. In a preseason game.

I really want to see Lacy v. Browner in the open field. I'd love to see him lay that dirty bastard out.

[Guiness]

Kolb goes down with a head injury, there are concerns it could be career ending.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/25/report-bills-fear-kevin-kolbs-concussion-may-be-career-ending/

Some of the more cynical among us might say, of course, "What career was that?"

[Patler]

Diondre Borel was cut by the Titans today.

Apparently just another TC wonder for a couple years in GB.

[run pMc]

Quick roundup; some of these might have already been mentioned:

Tony Moeaki breaks his shoulder
Stephen Gilmore out 6-8 weeks
Kevin Kolb's career done (concussions)?
Will Smith (the NO player, not the MIB guy) put on IR
The NFL has suspended Minnesota Vikings fullback Jerome Felton for three games without pay for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy. Adrian Peterson's job just got tougher without his lead blocker.
Chargers put Melvin Ingram on reserve PUP
SEA puts Jesse Williams (who I really liked pre-draft, before all the news about him having chronically bad knees leaked) on IR.

I expect many players to go on IR with cuts looming.

[denverYooper]

Lotta mocks had the Packers grabbing Jesse Williams.

[Guiness]

Why is Adrian Peterson not playing in preseason games at all? Is he healthy? No carries in game 3, and now they're saying he won't dress for game 4.

I can understand if they want to avoid unnecessary risk, but that's a little much, especially for an RB.

[mraynrand]

Kolb goes down with a head injury, there are concerns it could be career ending.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/25/report-bills-fear-kevin-kolbs-concussion-may-be-career-ending/

Some of the more cynical among us might say, of course, "What career was that?"

for his sake, I hope he plays no more.

[Guiness]

for his sake, I hope he plays no more.

Indeed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmyrS9RgEM

[MadScientist]

Why is Adrian Peterson not playing in preseason games at all? Is he healthy? No carries in game 3, and now they're saying he won't dress for game 4.

I can understand if they want to avoid unnecessary risk, but that's a little much, especially for an RB.

Why would he play? RB is the most abused position on the team and AP is the franchise. Rest him until the games count, because he will take a real pounding for the rest of the season.

[pbmax]

Why would he play? RB is the most abused position on the team and AP is the franchise. Rest him until the games count, because he will take a real pounding for the rest of the season.

Because according to conventional wisdom, no work in pads or camp results in torn ACLs.

[Patler]

Why is Adrian Peterson not playing in preseason games at all? Is he healthy? No carries in game 3, and now they're saying he won't dress for game 4.

I can understand if they want to avoid unnecessary risk, but that's a little much, especially for an RB.

It worked OK for him last year, with no appearances in preseason.

[pittstang5]

Why is Adrian Peterson not playing in preseason games at all? Is he healthy? No carries in game 3, and now they're saying he won't dress for game 4.

I can understand if they want to avoid unnecessary risk, but that's a little much, especially for an RB.

I think the Chargers used to do the same thing with LaDainian Tomlinson.

[run pMc]

You have to wonder, especially with Felton out, if it will have any impact on him and his timing the first few games. I'd think nothing could simulate the actual speed and hitting of a game, and Peterson is more or less missing that. I'm probably overvaluing a fullback's lead blocking, but IIRC Peterson was statistically better with him by a lot.

I suppose if he's skipped preseason games before it's not a big deal, but I can't imagine him getting 2500 this year without his Pro Bowl blocker, combined with Ponder not showing he's made a big jump from last year. Some of the pundits have the Vikes out and the Saints back in the playoffs this year. Seems like a reasonable prediction to me...Brees and that offense are pretty good, and they get Sean Payton back.

I find it interesting that MIN considers themselves close to GB (the thinking goes like this: you have Rodgers, we have Peterson). I think MIN's roster has talent, but isn't as good or deep as GB's, and they don't have an answer at the QB position. I also thought they were kind of streaky/fluky last year and had some very good fortune with staying healthy and a historic bounceback from AP...I think they are due for a regression to the mean.
(Digression: Desmond Bishop led them with 9 Tkl against SF in preseason game 3, supposedly playing well -- i.e., solid tackling and run D -- but had obvious limitations in coverage.)

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3h
Among the #Vikings cuts: 1st rounder from 2008 DE Lawrence Jackson. A bit surprising. Thought he'd bring some edge help.

Not sure I have ever seen him play, have I?

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h
Jets announce RB Mike Goodson has returned to the team... And been suspended 4 games for violating Policy & Program for Substances of Abuse

Just think of the trouble the New York sports media would cause if they didn't have the Jets and Mets to deal with 365 days a year.

[Fritz]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3h
Among the #Vikings cuts: 1st rounder from 2008 DE Lawrence Jackson. A bit surprising. Thought he'd bring some edge help.

Not sure I have ever seen him play, have I?

Apparently, no one ever has. Even when he was in the game.

[denverYooper]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h
Jets announce RB Mike Goodson has returned to the team... And been suspended 4 games for violating Policy & Program for Substances of Abuse

Just think of the trouble the New York sports media would cause if they didn't have the Jets and Mets to deal with 365 days a year.

Idle hands...

[run pMc]

Apparently, no one ever has. Even when he was in the game.

Wasn't he a Lions draft choice? Thought he skipped around from DET to SEA to MIN. Not horrible, but not really jumping off the tape -- I guess that makes him JAG, and for a R1 pick that's not auspicious.

[Patler]

News on former Packers:

Brandon Underwood was cut by Dallas.
Brett Swain and Will Blackman were cut by Seattle.

Gilbert Pena was signed by New England.

[mraynrand]

News on former Packers:

Brandon Underwood was cut by Dallas.
Brett Swain and Will Blackman were cut by Seattle.

Gilbert Pena was signed by New England.

http://cdn.memegenerator.co/instances/400x/39026514.jpg

[pbmax]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 40m
After mentioning CT scan showed he had "brain of a 40-year-old," Jerry Jones added, "I'm not going to give you the other physical parts."

A 40 year old kangaroo maybe.

[Patler]

News on former Packers:


Gilbert Pena was signed by New England.


....and now was cut by New England.

[Fritz]

Lions suffer no injuries, are healthy going into game one with Minny. C Johnson sat out again as a precaution.

Fans getting off the Stafford bandwagon. They're all listening to Jaworski criticize Stafford's mechanics.

These are the same fans who have had Eric Hipple, Rodney Peete, Scott Mitchell and Chuck Long as starting quarterbacks.

[packer4life]

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_23979026/minnesota-vikings-desmond-bishop-makes-most-his-last?source=rss

Bishop with 7 tackles overall, and 2 were TFLs on opening drive. Likely secures roster spot with Vikings.

[Patler]

Bears released J'Marcus Webb, all 6'7" 335 lbs. of him. He started 44 games in three years for them, the last 32 in a row. I know he is a Bear and all, and their O-line has been a weak spot for them, but that much size and that much experience...........Nah! Bakhtieri, Barclay and Newhouse will be fine!

[Maxie the Taxi]

He's a warm body. Sign him.

[Freak Out]

I hate the Bears but bring the guy in......unmotivated most of the time the dude could be a beast if he wanted. Maybe playing against the Bears might do the trick.

[Harlan Huckleby]

J'Marcus Webb was pretty bad. And I think the Packers are thinner at G/C

[Joemailman]

Webb was a 7th round pick who was good enough to start for a while because the Bears OL sucked.

That being said, If TT signs him, I'm willing to reconsider. :-)

[Guiness]

I saw Webb was released and was going to remark on it just to point out a guy we should not get just because he's a warm body!

Here are some to the point comments from PFT

Get off Twitter and learn to listen to snap counts.

The Packers sure had a lot of fun abusing this turnstile. Thanks for the great memories j’Marcus!

His biggest fan! CMIII!

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4h
All camp, the #Chargers kept the left tackle competition open between King Dunlap & Max Starks. It ended today. Starks among 11 cuts

How about an ex-Steeler lineman?

[pbmax]

J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, JETS!

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3h
From Total Access: I'm told if OC Marty Mornhinweg has a vote in the QB competition, his vote is for Geno Smith… even if Sanchez is healthy

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3h
In an interview with @PFTonNBCSN, @cponder7 hints that he may be doing more running this year http://wp.me/p14QSB-9g0B

[pbmax]

Michael Robinson ‏@RealMikeRob 2h
Been real #12thMan will always have love for ya

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4h
All camp, the #Chargers kept the left tackle competition open between King Dunlap & Max Starks. It ended today. Starks among 11 cuts

How about an ex-Steeler lineman?

Read that Starks looked really poor this preseason. Couldn't make it on a Chargers OL that is one of the worst in the league.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Now here's a real change of pace RB :idea:... OR put this guy in the same backfield with Lacy and you've got version two of John Brockington and MacArthur Lane.

From Rotoworld


The New York Daily News reports the Giants are "very unlikely" to re-sign free agent Brandon Jacobs.
It's a logical connection because Jacobs has played for the Giants in the past, but illogical from the standpoint that he's never been a third-down back type. The Giants are searching for help in pass protection after losing Andre Brown to a left-leg fracture. Tim Hightower would make a lot more sense.

[MJZiggy]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3h
In an interview with @PFTonNBCSN, @cponder7 hints that he may be doing more running this year http://wp.me/p14QSB-9g0B

Feel the love, Greg.

[Willard]

Tim Tebow is out in NE.

[pbmax]

Antoine Winfield is expected to be released by Seattle. I say we sign him, play him at RB and let him strip Charles Tillman after he strips one of the Packer WRs.

[Guiness]

Austin Collie released. Promising career cut short by concussions.

[denverYooper]

Wasn't sure where to put this but:

Tom Crabtree ‏@itsCrab 1m

.@AaronRodgers12 Our musical taste differences aside, you are an excellent leader.

Good old Crabtree. I miss that dude.

[denverYooper]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1m

Source says they'll add one before kickoff #analysis RT @NFL_ATL: Browns cut both their kickers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Good old Crabtree. I miss that dude.

So does TT, the way things worked out

[pbmax]

BRETSKY!

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 4m
Saints announce that WR Courtney Roby and S Jim Leonhard have been cut, among others.

[denverYooper]

Speaking of Bresky, wasn't Meachem his guy too?

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2m

Chargers signed Robert Meachem to FA deal last yr worth $26M w/$14M guaranteed. $5M of guarantee still remaining. Treasure to trash.

[denverYooper]

Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch 2m

#49ers have 10 LBs. As expected, OLB Cam Johnson wasn't released. A surprise: ILB Nate Stupar remains.

10 LBs?

[Guiness]

Speaking of Bresky, wasn't Meachem his guy too?

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2m

Chargers signed Robert Meachem to FA deal last yr worth $26M w/$14M guaranteed. $5M of guarantee still remaining. Treasure to trash.

And an injury grievance incoming. He suffered a concussion in the pre-season finale.

[Guiness]

Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch 2m

#49ers have 10 LBs. As expected, OLB Cam Johnson wasn't released. A surprise: ILB Nate Stupar remains.

10 LBs?

But they're HARD LBs!:flm:

[digitaldean]

:bclap:
A kid from my town of Kimberly, WI made an NFL roster! AJ Klein, who was a LB at Iowa State, made Carolina's roster.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AJKlein47

[Rastak]

:bclap:
A kid from my town of Kimberly, WI made an NFL roster! AJ Klein, who was a LB at Iowa State, made Carolina's roster.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AJKlein47


Nice!

[mraynrand]

Antoine Winfield is expected to be released by Seattle. I say we sign him, play him at RB and let him strip Charles Tillman after he strips one of the Packer WRs.

Who are these guys, a couple of pole dancers?

[Fritz]

Lions' #5 overall pick, Ziggy Ansah, listed as questionable for the season opener with a concussion.

[mraynrand]

Lions' #5 overall pick, Ziggy Ansah, listed as questionable for the season opener with a concussion.

Get better soon, Ziggy!

http://manginamonologues.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/ziggy-7-28.jpg?w=640

[pbmax]

Poor Bob can't catch a break. Apparently no team has a directive this year to get bigger, longer and tougher. Damn shame.

Bob McGinn ‏@BobMcGinn 3m
Ex-#Packers TE Matthew Mulligan didn't last long with #Patriots. They just announced his release.

At least he was man enough to mention it on Twitter. Maybe we should Tweet back our admiration.

[Fritz]

That narrative is embedded in the national media now. Heard it on ESPN again - teams that are tougher and more physical will win every time, and so on and so on.

I am hoping for a tightly disciplined Packer defense this week and this year. I'll be interested to see the results if they can manage that. And, being Waldenless now, the chances of that happening are slightly better.

[Packers4Glory]

The Packers want to run the ball better. Lets go to more 2 back sets and go get FB and terminator john connor. The guy is for real in blocking. I love Kuhn but he's nowhere near the lead blocker that Connor would be. Him opening holes for Lacy would be the truth.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Eric Branch ‏@Eric_Branch 2m

#49ers have 10 LBs. As expected, OLB Cam Johnson wasn't released. A surprise: ILB Nate Stupar remains.

10 LBs?

Just wait until they unleash their 0-10-1 formation. League wont' know what hit them.

[denverYooper]

Von Miller just got popped again for speeding and driving without a license. Woo boy.

[Guiness]

Am I the only one surprised Chris Kluwe doesn't have a job?

I always thought he was a good punter, albeit with a big mouth, and figured some team wouldn't care so much about his mouth.