Official Arizona vs Pack game day thread

[jklowan]

No thread so I am gonna start a new hopefully positive tradition

Let the O line Gel baby

Arizona 13
Packers 27

[denverYooper]

Get it.

[CaptainKickass]

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Obligatory Game Day Post.

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[denverYooper]

We're getting the band back together.

[Fritz]

The usual mantra: no injuries, no injuries, no injuries. Please.

Oh, and no injuries.

[Joemailman]

I hope Bacteria doesn't make me feel ill.

I hope Crosby kicks it between those 2 posts sticking up in the air.

I hope I notice Nick Perry and Datone Jones.

I hope Burnett reminds me of Nick Collins.

I hope the Packers running game will make Wist go :shock::whaa::worship::wave:

[red]

whats the over/under on how many starters we lose tonight?

5?

i'm going over 5, because we are a team of little menstruating vaginas who break when they're touched

and no, i don't find that statement hypocritical at all considering my current personal physical state

[Joemailman]

whats the over/under on how many starters we lose tonight?

5?

i'm going over 5, because we are a team of little menstruating vaginas who break when we're touched

and no, i don't find that statement hypocritical at all considering my current personal physical state

Does a guy who's starting because a starter is already out qualify as a starter?

Hope you're feeling better soon.

[red]

Does a guy who's starting because a starter is already out qualify as a starter?

Hope you're feeling better soon.

yes, starters who are starters due to injuries are still starters

so reds A1 "take it to the bank" injury slam dunk of the game will be Bakarati. because he is the one guy who all packer fans hopes are riding on tonight

the last time a rookie LT who we had high hopes for started a game, we lost him. and he's still not back

i've got my hopes low right now

[red]

Hope you're feeling better soon.

i'm off the pain killing norcotics they gave me

back to the booze

so i should be right as rain soon

[MadtownPacker]

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Obligatory Game Day Post.

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You cost us on the niners game ahole!! But glad to see you back to your obligations.

[wpony]

1ST preseason GO PACK GO :)

[CaptainKickass]

You cost us on the niners game ahole!! But glad to see you back to your obligations.

Well... at least I didn't claim to sell my forum to a fictional "white" version of myself - and then pose as the "owner" named "Joe" and ruin some folks respect for myself.

:crazy::taunt::crazy::taunt::crazy:

Also - the Defense lost the 69'ers game.

But yeah. It's good to be back.

:-D

[Fritz]

whats the over/under on how many starters we lose tonight?

5?

i'm going over 5, because we are a team of little menstruating vaginas who break when they're touched

and no, i don't find that statement hypocritical at all considering my current personal physical state


Red, you crazy little menstruating vagina, hope you feel better soon, booze or no booze.

[packer4life]

Game is not being shown here in Rome (I'm on vacation). C'mon Italians gimme some green and gold!!!

[bobblehead]

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Obligatory Game Day Post.

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Obligatory reply.

[pittstang5]

Red, it's a guarantee that Bacteria and at least one other starter will go down tonight. It's just how this team rolls.

Someone post a link. I don't remember where to look and I don't feel like spending 20 bucks.

Thanks

Go, No Injuries, Go

[Guiness]

Red, it's a guarantee that Bacteria and at least one other starter will go down tonight. It's just how this team rolls.

Someone post a link. I don't remember where to look and I don't feel like spending 20 bucks.

Thanks

Go, No Injuries, Go

Front Row Sports seems to be the best bet for live streaming these days. If anyone has a better source, please let us all know. If anyone has a sling box they care to let me know about, PM me!

[pittstang5]

Anyone got a link...can't find anything

[Guiness]

Front Row is working for me.

Beautiful throw and catch to JJ - goes for 50yds on 3 and 2 after running on first and second down.

[pittstang5]

Front Row is working for me.

Beautiful throw and catch to JJ - goes for 50yds on 3 and 2 after running on first and second down.

can you post a link, i tried and I can't get anything but a whole bunch of pop ups

[Joemailman]

I didn't think Starks did a very good job of getting low on the goalline there.

[red]

Thats where m3 has to get smarter with the run game

Nice run down to the one on first, then he tries throwing twice from the one, then tries pounding it on 4th

You want to be a running team? Pound that shit in on 2rd and 3rd

LT looked ok on first series

[denverYooper]

Thats where m3 has to get smarter with the run game

Nice run down to the one on first, then he tries throwing twice from the one, then tries pounding it on 4th

You want to be a running team? Pound that shit in on 2rd and 3rd

LT looked ok on first series

They would have passed on 4th if this were a meaningful game.

[gbgary]

well that was a bad series of plays.

[Guiness]

can you post a link, i tried and I can't get anything but a whole bunch of pop ups

http://firstrownow.eu/watch/200022/1/watch-arizona-cardinals-vs-green-bay-packers.html

I'm watching this on a pretty vanilla installation of Firefox, just Adblock plus.

[red]

Quick gripes

First team o line needs a whole shitload more then 10 plays

Strarks looks like his usual self, ineffective

D looks exactly the same as they did at the end of last season

That was a horrible throw by harrell, bring on vy

Oh, and dj williams got hurt on that catch, gurentee hes done for the year

[gbgary]

for $20 you can watch it, and all other preseason games, at nfl.com.

[Freak Out]

for $20 you can watch it, and all other preseason games, at nfl.com.

Wow....that's generous of the NFL.

[gbgary]

Was that john jefferson?

[gbgary]

Wow....that's generous of the NFL.

lol

[Joemailman]

Newhouse beaten badly, leads to a sack and fumble. 2 TO's for Harrell.

[Freak Out]

Marshmallow time.

[Guiness]

Newhouse really gave it up on that sack/FF. Looked like the guy just ran wide of him.

[Joemailman]

Terrible play by House. He's having a bad night.

[gbgary]

house is sucking a bit.

[red]

Newhouse really gave it up on that sack/FF. Looked like the guy just ran wide of him.

I noticec that a lot last year with him at LT. He would just push guys way wide and let them go

[red]

Yup, the cardinals are making us their bitch

The cardinals, one of the worst teams in the nfl last year

[gbgary]

I tuned in late, just before our non td...did lacy play?

[red]

I tuned in late, just before our non td...did lacy play?

No, he was a scratch

[gbgary]

No, he was a scratch

just heard...hammy. thx

[red]

Time to end the barclay at center experiment

He should be ou starting RT, newhouse is just not thr answer

[Carolina_Packer]

1st pre-season game...feel the excitement. :neutral:

[red]

Any word on the radion about the datone jones injury?

[red]

Welcome back jolly

[pbmax]

Newhouse still giving up the edge on the pass rush.

Did he even contest it after Abraham got the edge or did he just stop again?

Graham Harrell, goodbye. No need for a limited QB who turns the ball over.

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 44m
On Datone Jones, as noted by @TomSilverstein, got ankle checked out. http://live.jsonline.com/Event/Live_blog_Green_Bay_Packers_vs_Arizona_Cardinals …

No other update, he is still on bench has not gone inside.

[red]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 44m
On Datone Jones, as noted by @TomSilverstein, got ankle checked out. http://live.jsonline.com/Event/Live_blog_Green_Bay_Packers_vs_Arizona_Cardinals …

No other update, he is still on bench has not gone inside.

Sounds like good news, but who knows with our training staff

He could have the leg amputated tomorrow

[pbmax]

Jordan Miller should have had that back in the backfield.

[red]

[QUOTE=pbmax;732591]Newhouse still giving up the edge on the pass rush.

Did he even contest it after Abraham got the edge or did he just stop again?

/QUOTE]

Does slowly trotting after him about 5 yards back constitute contesting?

[Joemailman]

Nice pressure up the middle by Jolly.

[pittstang5]

Any word on the radion about the datone jones injury?

Datone got hurt. Surprise, surprise!

Anyone who has a good camp gets hurt.

[pbmax]

Newhouse still giving up the edge on the pass rush.

Did he even contest it after Abraham got the edge or did he just stop again?



Does slowly trotting after him about 5 yards back constitute contesting?

No.

He drives me nuts. Of course, if radio McCarren is to be believed, he is blocking well for the run on the right side.

[denverYooper]

Boykins looks like he's ready for the #4 spot.

[pbmax]

Thats where m3 has to get smarter with the run game

Nice run down to the one on first, then he tries throwing twice from the one, then tries pounding it on 4th

You want to be a running team? Pound that shit in on 2rd and 3rd

LT looked ok on first series

Finley has to catch a contested ball too.

[pbmax]

Terrible play by House. He's having a bad night.

Yes, he has been toasted three times. At least Shields got shredded by Fitzgerald.

[pbmax]

Boykins looks like he's ready for the #4 spot.

If you could stitch his hands to Finley the FrankenReceiver would be a Hall of Famer.

[Joemailman]

Finley has to catch a contested ball too.

Yep. Not really a drop, but you want your TE to win that battle.

Not exactly a scintillating 1st half of football.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 9m
They never said he was injured in press box. Saw him get re-taped. RT @rosterude4: any news on Datone Jones injury severity?

[denverYooper]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 9m
They never said he was injured in press box. Saw him get re-taped. RT @rosterude4: any news on Datone Jones injury severity?

'course they never mentioned that Bulaga got injured either.

[pittstang5]

Newhouse should only be a back up. I want Barclay getting all reps with the number ones from now on.

[pbmax]

Patriots ran a read option from the inverted wishbone with Tebow. Going to be a strange decade of football.

[pbmax]

Newhouse should only be a back up. I want Barclay getting all reps with the number ones from now on.

At this point, when there is competition for two starting spots, I agree. They need to have a backup center, but other cross training for Game Day roster should wait.

[Rastak]

Wow....that's generous of the NFL.

It is. It's all relative. Season ticket owners HAVE to play full price for every one of 'em. $20 for all of them seems better than $75 per game to see it live.

[pbmax]

It is. It's all relative. Season ticket owners HAVE to play full price for every one of 'em. $20 for all of them seems better than $75 per game to see it live.

Ras, heard Floyd is hurt but its not bad. Any updates?

[pbmax]

Put Ross on KOR and stop fooling around.

[denverYooper]

Bakh held up fairly well, I thought. Let his guy shut down one run that I saw and had a tendency to catch a bit but he stuck on his guy in pass pro in the snaps I saw.

[Rastak]

Ras, heard Floyd is hurt but its not bad. Any updates?


Dude was looking good when he went down. No word on what it was. He looked fine but so did Bulaga, right?

[red]

Finley has to catch a contested ball too.

i can fault fin for a lot of things, i can't fault him on that non catch

99 out of 100 wr's/Te's would have had that ball knocked out IMO

[denverYooper]

Nice spin move by Jolly. Too bad he couldn't finish.

[pbmax]

Dear Packer Pass Rushers (Jolly and Francois I think),

Stay on your #!@#@$!!@!$%#! FEET!

Also, Boyd and Miller can play D line against backups anyway.

2nd string dime linebacker? Robert Francois. He is the Johnny Jolly of LBs in pass coverage.

[pbmax]

i can fault fin for a lot of things, i can't fault him on that non catch

99 out of 100 wr's/Te's would have had that ball knocked out IMO

OK, I did not see it. Only heard about it on radio.

[pbmax]

Dude was looking good when he went down. No word on what it was. He looked fine but so did Bulaga, right?

Looked OK after getting up slow, then played more snaps and went home without reporting any injury or discomfort. Just weird.

[pbmax]

i can fault fin for a lot of things, i can't fault him on that non catch

99 out of 100 wr's/Te's would have had that ball knocked out IMO

Red and I having preseason communication issues. He is rational, I am posting like I'm drunk and angry.

[pbmax]

Honey Badger can play pro football. Glad we all got bent out of shape about his college antics.

[denverYooper]

Time for Vince Young. At least that might be entertaining.

[Joemailman]

Graham Harrell is no Matt Flynn.

[pbmax]

What is it about Arians and the Packer Pass defense?

[pbmax]

Loved the pursuit on that wide run to O left.

[pbmax]

Jolly sniffed that play out prior to snap

[Bretsky]

MANY IMPRESSIONS

RICH GANNON....clearly is a member of packerrats and was talking to PB Max when he said

Datone Jones is hurt, and they used a first round pick to draft that guy to give Green Bay what Cullen Jenkins provided many years ago

DJ WILLIAMS
I may have been wrong with this guy. He runs nice routes and I loved his upside as a receiving TE. But he keeps dropping the ball and continues to disappoint

DA HOUSE
It's clear from watching that trainwreck why we need T Williams Back

ROSS and BOYKINS
Both of these guys need to make the team and can help as Wide Receivers

JAMES JONES
He's going to have nice fantasy football stats

HARRELL
Time to cut ties; this guy is junk. Very limited upside with his GrahamCracker Arm

JAMES STARKS
I hope TT is showcasing this dude to trade him

ALEX GREEN
See comments above on James Starks. Get what you can if another team wants them

EDDIE SOREHAMLACE
Not a big surprise he's hurt. He looks the part when he's healthy but call me a doubter until he proves he can stay that way. Monte Ball would look good in Green n Gold

JONATHAN FRANKLYN
I really like this dude.....way more than Starks and Green. He looks very impressive with his size to strenth ratios, clearly he has soft hands and he provides us with a threat we've lacked for a while

JOHNNY JOLLY
He's had some nice penetration at times tonight; I'm cheering for the dude

The ROOKIE LT
A fine performance for his debut. Thank goodness TT traded down and grabbed this dude and Franklyn :))))

OUR DEFENSE
We still don't scare anybody. I wish they had a hitter and another playmaker besides Clay Matthews

VINCE YOUNG
Bring him on. We've been housing two rejects; let's find out if we have three. There are players at QB that will get cut far more talented than the Graham Cracker

[pbmax]

What is better? No Packer kicker FG attempts or watching 3 misses from Cardinals kickers?

[pbmax]

Gillett, don't stop and stick your hand out. KEEP RUNNING!

Rich Gannon, there is carryover from Reid in Philly in O scheme language.

[pbmax]

MANY IMPRESSIONS

RICH GANNON....clearly is a member of packerrats and was talking to PB Max when he said

Datone Jones is hurt, and they used a first round pick to draft that guy to give Green Bay what Cullen Jenkins provided many years ago

I recognized the similarity as soon as I heard he was injured and out of the game.

[red]

VY TIME

lets see if we have a backup qb this year

[red]

Red and I having preseason communication issues. He is rational, I am posting like I'm drunk and angry.

i've been on heavy duty pain killers instead of booze

the pure stuff should start flowing soon

we should be back to normal in a few months

[Bretsky]

I recognized the similarity as soon as I heard he was injured and out of the game.

It's your fault we can't replace him; if you'd just admit you were 100% wrong we'd be fine and championships would follow :)

[Bretsky]

OK; I am a fan

CUT Graham Cracker Harrell and Coleman.........give VY all the reps and lets give it a shot

[mmmdk]

Young sacked - will Pack even score tonight?

[pbmax]

OK; I am a fan

CUT Graham Cracker Harrell and Coleman.........give VY all the reps and lets give it a shot

Its like watching Tebow QB.

[pbmax]

Ted with a dip in.

[Joemailman]

OK; I am a fan

CUT Graham Cracker Harrell and Coleman.........give VY all the reps and lets give it a shot

Maybe next week. He doesn't know enough plays yet to be the #2.

[Guiness]

Announcers are pretty much morons.

One of them said "Packers have been lucky having just two starting QBs in 21 years...blah blah blah"

You can say a lot of things, but to say they were lucky is just plain ignorant.

[pbmax]

Young double clutched that throw. If he pulls the trigger on the first motion, its complete for a first.

[pbmax]

Emphasis on turnovers allowed 10 extra yards on that return as tackle was trying to strip while riding rather than tackle.

Also, Amosa I think whiffed on a clean open field tackle attempt right after the catch.

[pbmax]

Barrington and Fulton with nice TFL.

[denverYooper]

Boooooring

[denverYooper]

Jeez, Bush is still out there.

[pbmax]

OK. Only thing I can tell you from this game is this:

Packers playing a TON of Eagle Oakie, which is a 4-3 under front with 3-4 personnel. An OLB plays the wide DE in this case.

Larry McCarren said on radio he has heard that Neal will be asked to play an Elephant end, which was actually the position Matthews played at USC. Its a standup DE in a 4-3 Under. So 3 DE plus Neal at Elephant and 3 other LBs.

I assume Perry still plays OLB in this as Neal is the Elephant. Matthews would move inside for someone OR might play a rover. I can't imagine Capers subbing Neal for a DB, so I assume Jones or Hawk exits in this formation.

[pbmax]

GVR is playing RT.

[Carolina_Packer]

Any news on Datone Jones injury?

[pbmax]

Any news on Datone Jones injury?

Ankle sprain, retaped, did not go to locker room, also did not play further.

He will probably be in critical condition by Noon tomorrow.

[CaliforniaCheez]

That was a great game to temper your enthusiasm.

[Carolina_Packer]

Ankle sprain, retaped, did not go to locker room, also did not play further.

He will probably be in critical condition by Noon tomorrow.

New drafting strategy...move out of the first round. Bulaga 2010, Sherrod 2011, Perry 2012 and now possibly Jones in 2013. I hope it's just a mild sprain, and I guess if it was significant, he wouldn't have stayed on the sideline.

[swede]

That was a great game to temper your enthusiasm.

MM is daring me to do better things with my life while it's still summer.

[denverYooper]

Jolly is getting every chance to make the team and playing better than I expected.
Bakhitiari and Sitton might be fun to watch. Bakh's got a lot of miles to go yet, but they could start a hair band right now.
I'll be surprised if Alex Green makes the team.
I sure hope Tramon and Hayward are going to be ready to play by the regular season.
VY might outplayed the other 2 backups, and that isn't saying much.
After the first half there was a lot of shuffling. A lot. On the OL.
The people who went to the game probably felt like they wasted 3 hours.

[mmmdk]

It's preseason! I do prefer Packers winning at least 1 game during preseason (winning breads winning) but I care much more about what happens in week 1 versus Niners but I still don't like the look of the 2013-14 Packers team - not contenders, we're pretenders and that's my pre preseason thinking.

[swede]

New drafting strategy...move out of the first round. Bulaga 2010, Sherrod 2011, Perry 2012 and now possibly Jones in 2013. I hope it's just a mild sprain, and I guess if it was significant, he wouldn't have stayed on the sideline.

He didn't want to miss seeing someone else get injured.

[swede]

Jolly is getting every chance to make the team and playing better than I expected.
Bakhitiari and Sitton might be fun to watch. Bakh's got a lot of miles to go yet, but they could start a hair band right now.
I'll be surprised if Alex Green makes the team.
I sure hope Tramon and Hayward are going to be ready to play by the regular season.
VY might outplayed the other 2 backups, and that isn't saying much.
After the first half there was a lot of shuffling. A lot. On the OL.
The people who went to the game probably felt like they wasted 3 hours.

Spot on, on every point.

[Pugger]

Game is not being shown here in Rome (I'm on vacation). C'mon Italians gimme some green and gold!!!

The game was not shown in the GB area either. :-(

[swede]

It's preseason! I do prefer Packers winning at least 1 game during preseason (winning breads winning) but I care much more about what happens in week 1 versus Niners but I still don't like the look of the 2013-14 Packers team - not contenders, we're pretenders and that's my pre preseason thinking.

I will console myself with remembering that we always suck in preseason. It's as if we go into it as a scrimmage to help find what we suck at, and our opponents treat it like a chance to practice winning.

[wpony]

at least VY was entertaining our other 2 backups put everyone to sleep even there team mates, I would not be surprised if they keep him around if for no other reason that to run the scout team he would be good to simulate sf Washington or any other team that starts running qb this yr.

[mission]

I saw Datone on the sideline laughing/smiling and talking with a member of the staff. Doubt he would have that look on his face if he was too worried about his ankle. Hope not at least.

[Iron Mike]

Shaky OL, shitty RBs (except for Franklin), DL that can't get to the QB, miscommunications in the secondary. Another year, same 'ole story.

I'll predict we win the NFC North again w/a first-round playoff exit.

[pittstang5]

If memory serves, last year's first preseason game was horrible, and so was the year before that. Teams seem better prepared. I know it's preseason, but it's embarrasing. I feel horrible for the fans that paid.

[mmmdk]

Shaky OL, shitty RBs (except for Franklin), DL that can't get to the QB, miscommunications in the secondary. Another year, same 'ole story.

I'll predict we win the NFC North again w/a first-round playoff exit.

Could be yet I see that as a best case scenario (this season)...to bleak? Well, if Lacy is a super human RB and does get injured then maybe, just maybe Packers can bite more than bark. 'Cos our D is just not close to anything beyond mediocre.

[Carolina_Packer]

Shaky OL, shitty RBs (except for Franklin), DL that can't get to the QB, miscommunications in the secondary. Another year, same 'ole story.

I'll predict we win the NFC North again w/a first-round playoff exit.

Come on, man! First pre-season game, a bunch of guys scratched, many starters get a series and then it's mostly backups for the rest of the way. Hard to make a season prediction based on that sample.

[Pugger]

Yes, most of the guys that played a lot of minutes will not be on the roster come September.

[pittstang5]

Datone Jones played one snap and got hurt. Unbelievable!

[Pugger]

Datone Jones played one snap and got hurt. Unbelievable!

I read on another forum that those who saw the game on TV saw him standing on the sidelines without tape on the ankle talking and smiling with his teammates afterwards so he can't be hurt all that badly.

[Guiness]

lol @ some of the sky is falling prophecies after a pre-season week 1 game.

This game is a tryout. Even the moron announcing the game commented that you will see players in unusual situations. Good coaches want to see certain things even if they know they are the wrong call for the situation.

What was Detroit's preseason record the year they went 0-16? Anyone care to check that out?

[wist43]

Well, that was universally ugly...

The main guy I looked at was Bacteria - he wasn't awful. He wasn't good, but he wasn't awful.

Newhouse on the the other hand, was awful... wow. I don't care what anybody says, switching sides matters. The footwork is completely opposite - for some guys it can feel so unnatural, that they simply can't play one side or the other.

How about those awesome displays of power running on the goal line, and in short yardage situations - the league is quaking in fear at our intimidating OL ;)

[pbmax]

They cannot win for losing on the O line. The Guards and Center, including backups looked OK. The holes were almost universally bigger than last year, esp. early.

But, Newhouse has the same problem on the right as he had on the left. With speed rushes to the outside, he fails to maintain the corner and gives up WAY too fast. This is too bad because he does seem better at run blocking on this side (or perhaps that was an artifact of the opposition).

Bakhtiari held up OK, but to be honest, got way more distracted by the backup QBs than I was by him. One problem I saw was twice he got fooled by some kind of twist and someone got free wide to chase the QB.

The Cards in the second half ran some kind of stunt, maybe run blitz where two outside guys would go wide and crash inside to either chase QB or catch a RB. They got Green twice on this when he had room to run. Either stunt or someone missed a block over and over.

For what its worth, EDS did well versus solid interior D line of Cards. Twice I heard (was on radio at time) McCarren say Dockett came off of him to make a tackle of Starks but after 4 yards gain in the middle.

[Iron Mike]

Still trolling the JSO:

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/993966_10151755243914014_1135449520_n.jpg

[red]

LOL

[TravisWilliams23]

How about those awesome displays of power running on the goal line, and in short yardage situations - the league is quaking in fear at our intimidating OL ;)

MM "talks" a good game about running better this year but then the play calling on the 1st drive has me scratching my head. They had a 1st and goal at the 6. Nice 4 yd run by Starks to get the ball to the 2. Then a slant to Jones and a drop/batted away pass to Finley. There's 2 wasted plays to see if you new improved line has what it takes to shove it down the defense's throat. Granted, they didn't hve Lacey in there and the replay on 4th down could have been called a TD for Starks but if MM wants to get this team in a mind-set to running the ball, he sure as hell has a strange way of doing it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Just watched first half on NFL Network and I think we'll be OK. MM has always used the first exhibition game to evaluate the marginal guys. Hopefully the next few games we'll see less experimenting. The secondary ones and twos especially need reps playing together.

[wist43]

MM "talks" a good game about running better this year but then the play calling on the 1st drive has me scratching my head. They had a 1st and goal at the 6. Nice 4 yd run by Starks to get the ball to the 2. Then a slant to Jones and a drop/batted away pass to Finley. There's 2 wasted plays to see if you new improved line has what it takes to shove it down the defense's throat. Granted, they didn't hve Lacey in there and the replay on 4th down could have been called a TD for Starks but if MM wants to get this team in a mind-set to running the ball, he sure as hell has a strange way of doing it.

The thing that stood out to me more than the lack of production was the formations.

I knew nothing would change; but still, it's demoralizing to see MM come out in those same weak formations. All those runs were out of the shotgun, 1 RB, spread 'em out... same as last year. OL are weak run blockers, TE's can't block, usually don't have a FB in there... nothing's changed, nothing's gonna change.

They'll keep running the same stuff and hope the results will be different. They may get good results against Jacksonville, but against the big boys?? forget it... might as well just go ahead and pass on every down. I saw they converted a couple of short yardage situations, but without keeping count, it seemed they passed more in short yardage than they ran - typical McCarthy.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The most disappointing play in the first half was at 4:25 to go in the 2nd quarter when Robert Francois had a clear shot at sacking Stanton and tried to tackle him with his head down and his eyes closed. We need a coach who can teach tackling technique or it's going to be a frustrating season.

[pbmax]

OL are weak run blockers, TE's can't block, usually don't have a FB in there... nothing's changed, nothing's gonna change.


Proof you weren't watching. Mulligan played a lot and was quite effective blocking. Its the one offseason development I think that follows McGinn's bigger/tougher reporting.

Also that FB who is not Kuhn (Amosa?) played a ton in the 2nd half.

I have no idea why you want a talented passing team to run 2 backs and 2 TEs and run the ball. Its just plain dumb. You go with the matchups that favor your success.

Also see no mention of some stellar Run D by the defense most of the game.

[pbmax]

The most disappointing play in the first half was at 4:25 to go in the 2nd quarter when Robert Francois had a clear shot at sacking Stanton and tried to tackle him with his head down and his eyes closed. We need a coach who can teach tackling technique or it's going to be a frustrating season.

This. The Packers still get WAY too high when trying to take someone down in the open field. Same drive (possibly next) the RB broke into the second level and no one squared up to hit him. Jolly whiffed on the QB when diving at his ankles.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This. The Packers still get WAY too high when trying to take someone down in the open field. Same drive (possibly next) the RB broke into the second level and no one squared up to hit him. Jolly whiffed on the QB when diving at his ankles.

The best I've ever seen with regard to proper tackling technique was Willie Wood. For a man his size, he could bring down anyone. He always went low with his head up and eyes open.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Things you'd never hear from Lombardi:

"You never feel good when you don't win a game, but it is the preseason." Mike McCarthy after last night's game.

Actually, I think Lombardi played his regulars too much in the preseason. On the other hand, they were ready to play as a unit when the season started. Today's game is different. With injuries as prevalent as they are you have to test your backups pretty thoroughly cause they may be starters after a few games.

[denverYooper]

Proof you weren't watching. Mulligan played a lot and was quite effective blocking. Its the one offseason development I think that follows McGinn's bigger/tougher reporting.

Also that FB who is not Kuhn (Amosa?) played a ton in the 2nd half.

I have no idea why you want a talented passing team to run 2 backs and 2 TEs and run the ball. Its just plain dumb. You go with the matchups that favor your success.

Also see no mention of some stellar Run D by the defense most of the game.

I also thought the DL looked better than it has in years. It seemed like they were getting decent pressure in the second half that was often negated by some leaky secondary play.

[pbmax]

I also thought the DL looked better than it has in years. It seemed like they were getting decent pressure in the second half that was often negated by some leaky secondary play.

Not too many of them got home, but a lot of their QB throws were under pretty severe duress.

[wist43]

Proof you weren't watching. Mulligan played a lot and was quite effective blocking. Its the one offseason development I think that follows McGinn's bigger/tougher reporting.

Also that FB who is not Kuhn (Amosa?) played a ton in the 2nd half.

I have no idea why you want a talented passing team to run 2 backs and 2 TEs and run the ball. Its just plain dumb. You go with the matchups that favor your success.

Also see no mention of some stellar Run D by the defense most of the game.

I didn't watch the game live... just blew thru it on FF.

I did rewind thru that segment near the goal line... everything out of the shotgun. Same old student body run blocking - running play 1, 2, or 3. No power running plays, no pulling, trapping.

As for what they played in the 2nd half... I really blew thru that - was really tired, and was watching the D more.

It's preseason, but I don't see anything that would indicate the leopard has changed its spots.

[denverYooper]

Not too many of them got home, but a lot of their QB throws were under pretty severe duress.

I just figured that getting close to the QB was a new thing and no one really knew what to do after they penetrated.

[wist43]

I just figured that getting close to the QB was a new thing and no one really knew what to do after they penetrated.

That is far too pessimistic - you're always such a downer :butt:

[pbmax]

The Packers don't run, the Packers don't run: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-hit-ground-slowly-while-being-shutout-in-preseason-opener-b9972237z1-219082481.html


Against the Cardinals, the Packers rushed on their first nine first-down plays. The net of 25 yards (2.8 average) wasn't anything to write home about, but the commitment was stunning, to say the least.


In the first half, the Packers ran the ball 18 times and passed 19 times. They gained 167 yards, including 54 yards in 19 carries for a mere 2.8 average on the ground.

So much for that theory.

Now on to

"They run too much on first down! Predictable!"

"They suck at running!"

[Maxie the Taxi]

"They run in pre-season, not the regular season."

[wist43]

The Packers don't run, the Packers don't run: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-hit-ground-slowly-while-being-shutout-in-preseason-opener-b9972237z1-219082481.html

So much for that theory.

Now on to

"They run too much on first down! Predictable!"

"They suck at running!"

Yes, all of that

Everything is out of the shotgun, out of passing formations - it's not like a defense even has to commit to stopping our running game. Play pass on every down, and you know the Packers can't do anything consistent on the ground, so forget about it.

That's a big part of the problem - which is why it is more advantagous to run/pass out of base formations with 2 TE's/FB and combinations thereof. MM doesn't do that much, and won't do it - game, set, match, see ya next year.

[pittstang5]

So, I didn't get to see much of the game. Listened to some of the first half. I have the game DVRed from the replay and hope to get some time to watch it tonight. From what I've heard, hear are my concerns.

I'm not happy that they didn't score at all or even get close to FG range to see what these two kickers can do. Thankfully we have three more games, so hopefully we can see if Crosby is broken or not. The other dude, I don't think is the answer for Green Bay kicking. He just doesn't have the leg that we need for cold weather. Seems he'd be a dome kicker.

What is up with House? I heard his name alot, giving up some big yardage. Was he playing off, like way off? All Camp I've heard he's been solid and then last night it sounded like he was a rookie. Was it scheme or was he just playing way off his receiver.

I just can't believe they didn't score...at all.

[Joemailman]

As for House...on the one deep catch, receiver did an out and up route. House bit on the out. Might have been peeking in the backfield a bit. On the TD, his coverage wasn't bad. Nice throw by Carson Palmer.

[Teamcheez1]

Yes, all of that

Everything is out of the shotgun, out of passing formations - it's not like a defense even has to commit to stopping our running game. Play pass on every down, and you know the Packers can't do anything consistent on the ground, so forget about it.

That's a big part of the problem - which is why it is more advantagous to run/pass out of base formations with 2 TE's/FB and combinations thereof. MM doesn't do that much, and won't do it - game, set, match, see ya next year.

I'm glad you have the ability to predict an entire season based on a preseason game of mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers.

[wist43]

I'm glad you have the ability to predict an entire season based on a preseason game of mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m_dT0wsrGI

[pbmax]

This could only be a touchdown in the TV replay era.

http://espnwisconsin.com/upload/StarksTDCardinals1.jpg

[TravisWilliams23]

This could only be a touchdown in the TV replay era.

http://espnwisconsin.com/upload/StarksTDCardinals1.jpg

PB, MM did challenge that play. The ref's call was "the ruling on the field stands". I thought the only way they could rule it no TD is if they blew the whistle when his forward progress was stopped but that's NOT what they announced after looking at it on replay. Pre-season for the officials too.

[pbmax]

PB, MM did challenge that play. The ref's call was "the ruling on the field stands". I thought the only way they could rule it no TD is if they blew the whistle when his forward progress was stopped but that's NOT what they announced after looking at it on replay. Pre-season for the officials too.

Yes, I know. The Ref told McCarthy he could not be sure where Stakrs knee was in the reply. McCarthy's point is that the limitations of the human body and physics means it can't be on the ground.

I was commenting that before replay in football, 98 refs out of 100 would call this a run to the half yard line because from the position of his body, you would almost never look for the ball where it is.

[red]

If that game had any meaning at all, we would be making a huge deal about that

That was a horrible call, up there with the fail mary

How can you not see that the ball is breaking the plane was his knee is clearly off the ground?

[Joemailman]

Yes, I know. The Ref told McCarthy he could not be sure where Stakrs knee was in the reply. McCarthy's point is that the limitations of the human body and physics means it can't be on the ground.

What are the replay officials allowed to consider? To call it a touchdown, they have to rule that his knee was clearly off the ground. Do they have to actually be able to see the knee, or are they allowed to decide that physics would determine that his knee had to be off the ground given the angle of the rest of his leg?

[pbmax]

What are the replay officials allowed to consider? To call it a touchdown, they have to rule that his knee was clearly off the ground. Do they have to actually be able to see the knee, or are they allowed to decide that physics would determine that his knee had to be off the ground given the angle of the rest of his leg?

I want to say that I have heard far more specious arguments about why a call was made or overturned, so yeah, I think they can rule by inference.

But given its the NFL, I can't be sure.

[mraynrand]

What are the replay officials allowed to consider? To call it a touchdown, they have to rule that his knee was clearly off the ground. Do they have to actually be able to see the knee, or are they allowed to decide that physics would determine that his knee had to be off the ground given the angle of the rest of his leg?

It's probably asking too much of officials to expect them to be competent in both applied physics and geometry.

[Rutnstrut]

Proof you weren't watching. Mulligan played a lot and was quite effective blocking. Its the one offseason development I think that follows McGinn's bigger/tougher reporting.

Also that FB who is not Kuhn (Amosa?) played a ton in the 2nd half.

I have no idea why you want a talented passing team to run 2 backs and 2 TEs and run the ball. Its just plain dumb. You go with the matchups that favor your success.

Also see no mention of some stellar Run D by the defense most of the game.

You run the ball more because more and more teams are figuring out the Packers passing game, and that results in less favorable match ups.

[pbmax]

You run the ball more because more and more teams are figuring out the Packers passing game, and that results in less favorable match ups.

Defenses figure out passing games all the time. Doesn't mean you stop passing. Didn't stop Lombardi from running his sweep, didn't stop Walsh from throwing to his RBs or John Taylor.

You avoid what the defense is looking for when you don't think you can get away with it. Packers v Ravens in 2001. That is what worries me about the passing game. Cover 2 isn't hard to figure out. Favre used to roast it. Of course, having a TE or RB who can catch does help.

I don't mind being able to run, or choosing to, but its not the only option. The West Coast offense was built to abuse the Cover 2 in Pittsburgh and Mel Blount played man corner like a super villain. One problem is that they have put some eggs in the Matthew Mulligan basket and he is taking a TE spot and will not be running down the seam often.

[denverYooper]

Defenses figure out passing games all the time. Doesn't mean you stop passing. Didn't stop Lombardi from running his sweep, didn't stop Walsh from throwing to his RBs or John Taylor.

You avoid what the defense is looking for when you don't think you can get away with it. Packers v Ravens in 2001. That is what worries me about the passing game. Cover 2 isn't hard to figure out. Favre used to roast it. Of course, having a TE or RB who can catch does help.

I don't mind being able to run, or choosing to, but its not the only option. The West Coast offense was built to abuse the Cover 2 in Pittsburgh and Mel Blount played man corner like a super villain. One problem is that they have put some eggs in the Matthew Mulligan basket and he is taking a TE spot and will not be running down the seam often.

I have a small amount of hope that Franklin is the "RB who can catch" who can loosen up cover 2 a bit. I get the feeling that he's going to take some screen passes a long way this year and see him being sort of like Bush/Sproles were for the Saints.

Now, if they could just get Finley playing more like Graham...

[Guiness]

Yes, I know. The Ref told McCarthy he could not be sure where Stakrs knee was in the reply. McCarthy's point is that the limitations of the human body and physics means it can't be on the ground.

I was commenting that before replay in football, 98 refs out of 100 would call this a run to the half yard line because from the position of his body, you would almost never look for the ball where it is.

My understanding is that in order to overturn the ruling on the field, conclusive evidence is required. So if every part of the body that would make him be considered 'down' can not be seen, they go with the original ruling.

I know what you mean though, pre tv replay era, this is never a TD, but now there's a ghost of a chance.

[RashanGary]

My understanding is that in order to overturn the ruling on the field, conclusive evidence is required. So if every part of the body that would make him be considered 'down' can not be seen, they go with the original ruling.

I know what you mean though, pre tv replay era, this is never a TD, but now there's a ghost of a chance.

what if he was upside down, but u couldnt see his knee. would they have to assume it possible that his knee could be touching the ground. if its not possible, its not possible. at some point you have to say, theres no way his knee is down. i think that picture gets that point across. Touchdown.

[Iron Mike]

It's probably asking too much of officials to expect them to be competent in both applied physics and geometry.

I guess you're right:

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p320x320/1098216_10151758301759014_1811603322_n.jpg

[Guiness]

I guess you're right:

Nice one IM, never seen that cap before. I near lost my mind over that call.

[mraynrand]

I guess you're right:

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p320x320/1098216_10151758301759014_1811603322_n.jpg


I knew a high school basketball ref who was studying dark matter, but that was only because his head was up his ass.

[Joemailman]

I guess you're right:

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p320x320/1098216_10151758301759014_1811603322_n.jpg

That was one of the worst calls I ever saw, but they were just getting started...

http://www.worthavegroup.com/media/64170/interceptouchdown.png

[Guiness]

That was one of the worst calls I ever saw, but they were just getting started...


I think the first was actually a more ridiculous mistake. It was easily seen, I really don't know how that call went the wrong way. It would've ended the drive, IIRC, and pretty much the game with it. The game ending hail mary at least the first time through you were going 'what was that?' and could not be sure exactly what happened.

[pittstang5]

I think the first was actually a more ridiculous mistake. It was easily seen, I really don't know how that call went the wrong way. It would've ended the drive, IIRC, and pretty much the game with it. The game ending hail mary at least the first time through you were going 'what was that?' and could not be sure exactly what happened.

And I still don't fully understand how on the replay (since all touchdowns are reviewed) it couldn't be reveresed. It really doesn't matter anymore.

Because of this game, my hatred for Seattle escalated to the same as the Bears, Vikings and Lions. Even though the Refs were to blame, Pete Carroll and Golden Tate's responses/interviews from that incident were just asinine.