Sherrod Update From Family

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Its a WEE bit confusing but essentially, when Sherrod came off PUP last year they fully expected his return to proceed normally. But it did not and he was put back on the PUP list.

During the practice time and possibly afterward, his leg responded poorly to the increased workload, one of his relatives McGinn talked to said the leg would shake uncontrollably.

By Spring, after probably numerous test and MRIs, it was determined that something was misaligned. There is talk about bones fused together but no mention of whether that was intentional or not. But the upshot is that Sherrod had ankle surgery with a well know foot and ankle specialist in the Spring to correct the problem. It was considered a success.

It would seem likely that if he truly had surgery on his ankle/foot, that the surgery and recovery from the initial injury led to his leg being aligned differently than prior to the injury. They needed to adjust his ankle to compensate. It would seem you might re-break to accomplish this but one source says they did not do this.

Family said the improvement was noticeable and almost immediate. But he is still a matter of weeks away, does plan to play again this year and McGinn figures he is almost destined to begin on PUP this year again.

[Brandon494]

PUP is the right move, even if he is healthy by the start of the season he has to be rusty as hell not playing for almost two years. I still think this guy has the potential to be our LT of the future. I know its a long shot but could you image a Sherrod-Sitton-Tretter-Bakh-Bulaga O-line next season! :wave:

[MadScientist]

PUP is the right move, even if he is healthy by the start of the season he has to be rusty as hell not playing for almost two years. I still think this guy has the potential to be our LT of the future.

PUP is the right move. The thing that gets me with a situation like this is that there was so much time from the weakness last fall to the diagnosis and second surgery. I know going under the knife is not a move taken lightly, but it sounds like they did not look at things soon enough.


I know its a long shot but could you image a Sherrod-Sitton-Tretter-Bakh-Bulaga O-line next season!

I just want a line that can actually block, that doesn't involve imagination.

[Guiness]

That's quite a story.

One thing that occurs to me...what's his confidence level in his leg going to be when he comes back? It's going to be hard for him (mentally) to go all out.

[Bossman641]

Talk about a kid whose due for some good luck. Hopefully some fans will get off his back now. It's one thing to play and bust out, Sherrod never even got a fair chance.

[Pugger]

I think the Packers were wrong in being so secretive about this. There have been posts by a number of fans on various forums questioning Derek's work ethic for crying out loud. They don't need to show us x-rays but I don't recall hearing he had surgery on his ankle. I'm also wondering what went wrong with the surgery in KC.

[denverYooper]

I think the Packers were wrong in being so secretive about this. There have been posts by a number of fans on various forums questioning Derek's work ethic for crying out loud. They don't need to show us x-rays but I don't recall hearing he had surgery on his ankle. I'm also wondering what went wrong with the surgery in KC.

This.

Although I suspect the reason they are so secretive has to do with a pretty tight information policy that has to do with other teams more than fans.

Good work by McGinn on this one.

[hoosier]

This.

Although I suspect the reason they are so secretive has to do with a pretty tight information policy that has to do with other teams more than fans.

Good work by McGinn on this one.

Agreed, but I wonder why that policy has to be so universal. If Rodgers turns an ankle in practice, fine, keep the details under wraps so the other team doesn't gain an advantage. But in Sherrod's case I don't see how the info about the rehab could possibly benefit another team if he is nowhere near seeing the field. Letting this story see the light of day could help remove some of the public stigma that comes with the long delay in rehab.

[denverYooper]

Agreed, but I wonder why that policy has to be so universal. If Rodgers turns an ankle in practice, fine, keep the details under wraps so the other team doesn't gain an advantage. But in Sherrod's case I don't see how the info about the rehab could possibly benefit another team if he is nowhere near seeing the field. Letting this story see the light of day could help remove some of the public stigma that comes with the long delay in rehab.

I'm with you and Pug on this one. It probably wouldn't hurt to declassify certain pieces of information on a case-by-case basis. Next thing you know, though, they'll be confiscating Bob's wife's laptop at the General Mitchell airport.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This news changed my opinion about Sherrod.

[Packers4Glory]

people can be such assholes. I hope he can get back on the field, I'd pretty much say based on that info that this yr is another lost yr. He needs to get everything right and then build up his confidence that everything is working right and he can trust the leg again. Just terrible luck for the guy.

[Maxie the Taxi]

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During the practice time and possibly afterward, his leg responded poorly to the increased workload, one of his relatives McGinn talked to said the leg would shake uncontrollably.

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I don't mean to be disrespectful but what's the problem? Both of my legs shake uncontrollably...especially at night.

[pbmax]

I think the Packers were wrong in being so secretive about this. There have been posts by a number of fans on various forums questioning Derek's work ethic for crying out loud ...


This.

Although I suspect the reason they are so secretive has to do with a pretty tight information policy that has to do with other teams more than fans.

Good work by McGinn on this one.


Agreed, but I wonder why that policy has to be so universal. If Rodgers turns an ankle in practice, fine, keep the details under wraps so the other team doesn't gain an advantage. But in Sherrod's case I don't see how the info about the rehab could possibly benefit another team if he is nowhere near seeing the field. Letting this story see the light of day could help remove some of the public stigma that comes with the long delay in rehab.

I think the offseason has its own set of circumstances that cause the team to lean to releasing little information. Prior to the draft, they don't want teams to get specifics on their future depth chart and needs. In camp, they want to preserve some mystery about who will make the 53, PS and PUP.

During the season the incentives change, starters and important backups are the ones whose status matters most and the League mandates updates about status twice a week.

Given all that, the player could choose to release info at any time and that has happened before (Tramon discussed his knee, someone told the press about Hayward's hammy) but probably is not encouraged by the organization. This is an area where the team's goals and the players goals diverge and I bet that if Sherrod had a PR team advising him, they would have released more info to satisfy fan interest and put a stop to speculation.

[George Cumby]

I think the Packers were wrong in being so secretive about this. There have been posts by a number of fans on various forums questioning Derek's work ethic for crying out loud. They don't need to show us x-rays but I don't recall hearing he had surgery on his ankle. I'm also wondering what went wrong with the surgery in KC.

I'm guessing HIPAA. NFL team or no, an employer can't divulge too many medical details about an employee.

[Patler]

I'm guessing HIPAA. NFL team or no, an employer can't divulge too many medical details about an employee.

Nor can doctors, hospitals or therapists. Many will not even divulge information to spouses or immediate family without authorization from the patient.

[Patler]

I can't say that I have heard or read very many comments that questioned his effort or dedication. I have mostly seen and heard comments that questioned his performance before the injury and questioned whether the effects of the injury would have a lasting effect on what he can do in the future. Coupled with the anticipated regression (rustiness) from being away so long, it doesn't seem likely he can contribute much in 2013.

[pbmax]

I can't say that I have heard or read very many comments that questioned his effort or dedication. I have mostly seen and heard comments that questioned his performance before the injury and questioned whether the effects of the injury would have a lasting effect on what he can do in the future. Coupled with the anticipated regression (rustiness) from being away so long, it doesn't seem likely he can contribute much in 2013.

That was a part of the article I objected to. McGinn made explicit reference to that argument and its possible he may have heard from fans directly slagging Sherrod's effort.

But I hope that is not how he convinced the family to talk. The article seemed to be the family's response to those charges and if McGinn was the one that brought them to their doorstep, he really falls in my estimation.

Now its possible Derek and his family are fully aware of fan frustration and welcomed the inquiry. But I hope McGinn didn't use a few fools comments to scare the family.

[pbmax]

I'm guessing HIPAA. NFL team or no, an employer can't divulge too many medical details about an employee.


Nor can doctors, hospitals or therapists. Many will not even divulge information to spouses or immediate family without authorization from the patient.

HIPPA is about permission to release not a total prohibition. It would at most explain a small delay if the parties wanted the info released. Its not an unknown factor and I am sure teams cover this with players as rookies and get whatever permission they need to make injury reports public. Every season twice a week the League somehow cobbles together an injury report despite the need for explicit permission. And we regularly get updates on scheduled surgeries on Packer players.

I suspect that after initial legitimate confusion, HIPPA has become a way for teams to keep more information from becoming public. I would be curious whether blanket permission could be obtained via the CBA?

But in any event, the team is in constant contact with the one person who could authorize the release of any information they wished to: Derek Sherrod. The question is whether he wished to talk and was advised against it or whether he preferred not to discuss it.

[KYPack]

I think Sherry is THE perfect candidate for the one time PUP spot. They could then activate him in the 9th week. I suggested this before, but everybody kinda pissed on the idea. Without thinkin', I'd say.

There is a good possibility that Sherrod sustained some level of nerve damage. As we've seen from Tramon, some of that never heals and you become about half the player you once were.

Some of the keyboard bullies on football forums have been real hard on Sherrod. I saw a shot of his leg on the sideline. That ankle scar is huge and nasty.

[red]

my opinion changed about the guy from the story

my big concern is that the team obviously knew what was going down, they had to know that sherrod was out for a good chunk if not all of this season, then why the hell didn't they go after tackles a little more in the draft and free agency?

a lot of us thought the reason they neglected the tackle position was because they had faith in sherrod. well obviously thats not the case

not happy about not looking for o-lineman. the only thing saving us right now is that we might have lucked out big time finding a decent tackle in the 4th round

if not for that, we'd be completely fucked right now

[Maxie the Taxi]

my opinion changed about the guy from the story

my big concern is that the team obviously knew what was going down, they had to know that sherrod was out for a good chunk if not all of this season, then why the hell didn't they go after tackles a little more in the draft and free agency?

a lot of us thought the reason they neglected the tackle position was because they had faith in sherrod. well obviously thats not the case

not happy about not looking for o-lineman. the only thing saving us right now is that we might have lucked out big time finding a decent tackle in the 4th round

if not for that, we'd be completely fucked right now

+1

[mraynrand]

Some of those orthopods doing those surgeries are not that that experienced or talented. Take Kellen Winslow - guy had a fracture that trauma surgeons see all the time, but he went to the cleveland clinic where they almost never see that kind of fracture. Had all sorts of complications. It sounds like Sherrod may have had a pinched nerve or something in there. Perhaps the original surgeon fucked up the anatomy and they had to go back in and move it around. Wonder if the original surgeon was a trauma guy or some fancy sports orthopod weenie out of his depth. Either way, Sherrod should sue the piss out of them for malpractice.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Some of those orthopods doing those surgeries are not that that experienced or talented. Take Kellen Winslow - guy had a fracture that trauma surgeons see all the time, but he went to the cleveland clinic where they almost never see that kind of fracture. Had all sorts of complications. It sounds like Sherrod may have had a pinched nerve or something in there. Perhaps the original surgeon fucked up the anatomy and they had to go back in and move it around. Wonder if the original surgeon was a trauma guy or some fancy sports orthopod weenie out of his depth. Either way, Sherrod should sue the piss out of them for malpractice.

Correct. Sherrod's orthopod was a quack and remains so. Sherrod's ankle was only the 3rd one he'd worked on. If I'm not mistaken, the other two belonged to Cleft Crusty. It's why he limps.

[denverYooper]

Correct. Sherrod's orthopod was a quack and remains so. Sherrod's ankle was only the 3rd one he'd worked on. If I'm not mistaken, the other two belonged to Cleft Crusty. It's why he limps.

I thought old Clefty got himself a Rascal.

[Patler]

HIPPA is about permission to release not a total prohibition. It would at most explain a small delay if the parties wanted the info released. Its not an unknown factor and I am sure teams cover this with players as rookies and get whatever permission they need to make injury reports public. Every season twice a week the League somehow cobbles together an injury report despite the need for explicit permission. And we regularly get updates on scheduled surgeries on Packer players.

I suspect that after initial legitimate confusion, HIPPA has become a way for teams to keep more information from becoming public. I would be curious whether blanket permission could be obtained via the CBA?

But in any event, the team is in constant contact with the one person who could authorize the release of any information they wished to: Derek Sherrod. The question is whether he wished to talk and was advised against it or whether he preferred not to discuss it.

Some institutions take the HIPPA prohibitions extremely seriously, and apply permissions very narrowly. If you start from HIPPA excluding publication by the team, and then factor in the league requirements, a narrow interpretation of permission granted by a player for the team to comply with league requirements may not grant the team permission to disclose information regarding players who are not on the active roster of 53.

Sure, they could ask Sherrod for an expanded release, and Justin Harrell in the past, and Bulaga, and Williams, and Harris, and Quarless, and Jones, etc. But then you have to keep track of who said yes and who said no. The easier and more practical approach is to simply comply with the league requirements and say very little about anything else.

We hear very little now about the guys on IR and PUP.

[Pugger]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

[Patler]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

The questions really are: Do we have a right to know? Do the Packers have the right to tell us?

Just because we would like to know doesn't really matter.

[KYPack]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

I thought news of this did leak out. MM or somebody mentioned this in a presser or post practice comment. There was no formal announce from the team, that's sure.

[Patler]

I thought news of this did leak out. MM or somebody mentioned this in a presser or post practice comment. There was no formal announce from the team, that's sure.

There was mention of a second procedure, but I don't think there was any mention about it being on his ankle.

[MadScientist]

I think Sherry is THE perfect candidate for the one time PUP spot. They could then activate him in the 9th week. I suggested this before, but everybody kinda pissed on the idea. Without thinkin', I'd say.

The regular season PUP is not limited to one person, and the return can anywhere between weeks 6 and 10 I think. The single slot thingy is the IR with designation to return. That player has to be on the active roster after the final cut down, and can't play until 8 weeks after being put on the list. Most people here are in favor of Sherrod being on the PUP to start the season. I can't think of a single reason to put him on IR-designated for return.

[pbmax]

Some of those orthopods doing those surgeries are not that that experienced or talented. Take Kellen Winslow - guy had a fracture that trauma surgeons see all the time, but he went to the cleveland clinic where they almost never see that kind of fracture. Had all sorts of complications. It sounds like Sherrod may have had a pinched nerve or something in there. Perhaps the original surgeon fucked up the anatomy and they had to go back in and move it around. Wonder if the original surgeon was a trauma guy or some fancy sports orthopod weenie out of his depth. Either way, Sherrod should sue the piss out of them for malpractice.

He was the team physician for the Chiefs. Don't know his background. Is an ortho though.

Second guy was the Carolina ankle and foot specialist they have used before.

[pbmax]

We hear very little now about the guys on IR and PUP.

We hear quite a lot. But its all sourced anonymously. That's why I wonder if Sherrod actually wanted this out.

[Patler]

We hear quite a lot. But its all sourced anonymously. That's why I wonder if Sherrod actually wanted this out.

I disagree. We hear very little, even anonymously sourced. Most of the time we are left wondering what was done, how severe an injury was and how the rehab is progressing. Years ago, teams reported much more accurately about what was found and what was fixed. Now, most of what we hear is unreliable for players on IR and PUP during the season, or for most players during the off season. Much of what we believe to be the situation comes from rumors on places like this.

[Pugger]

If Sherrod passes his physical before the regular season starts he needs to be on the active roster so he can get reps in. He won't if he's on the PUP list or the IR with designation to return. This kid needs the work more than anybody on that line.

[pbmax]

I disagree. We hear very little, even anonymously sourced. Most of the time we are left wondering what was done, how severe an injury was and how the rehab is progressing. Years ago, teams reported much more accurately about what was found and what was fixed. Now, most of what we hear is unreliable for players on IR and PUP during the season, or for most players during the off season. Much of what we believe to be the situation comes from rumors on places like this.

More unreliable maybe. I think more irregular would be closer. I think essentially it has been left to players unless the club develops a reason to spill on a player. HIPPA hasn't prevented the Jets from leaking details and questions about Santonio Holmes recovery, or lack thereof. And we were not lacking much info about RG III, for example.

I think you may be right that developing a single policy and being uniform explain the closed mouths. But it also an abdication of a responsibility the team should be concerned with to the players themselves. And it keeps biting them in the behind because they have tried to wash their hands of it.

[mraynrand]

Once we get those Obamacare navigators in place, I'm betting the medical information will flow to the public like the Mississippi river.

[swede]

Once we get those Obamacare navigators in place, I'm betting the medical information will flow to the public like the Mississippi river.

We'll be quoting IRS documents to show how a knee surgery was botched.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Once we get those Obamacare navigators in place, I'm betting the medical information will flow to the public like the Mississippi river.

I see Bill Belichick has applied to be an Obamacare navigator.

[Patler]

If Sherrod passes his physical before the regular season starts he needs to be on the active roster so he can get reps in. He won't if he's on the PUP list or the IR with designation to return. This kid needs the work more than anybody on that line.

Unfortunately, he won't get a lot of that anymore this year anyway, even on the roster. What he really needs is an off-season program and a full training camp. They really don't do much during the season anymore. I just don't see him being much help this year, no matter how they handle his roster status.

[Pugger]

But if he can practice during the week - even if he's on the scout team - that will help him get some reps..

[Fritz]

Unfortunately, he won't get a lot of that anymore this year anyway, even on the roster. What he really needs is an off-season program and a full training camp. They really don't do much during the season anymore. I just don't see him being much help this year, no matter how they handle his roster status.

This is a simplistic answer, probably, but I figure that if he can begin to get reps with the scout team and be a game day inactive he'll knock the rust off enough that by the end of the season he could be an upgrade over Newhouse as a backup tackle.

You gotta start somewhere, is what I'm saying. But maybe that's simplistic.

[pbmax]

Even with my optimistic view of what he will be when/if healthy, he needs reps and it will be hard to get enough if he goes on PUP as he will have missed ALL of camp. It would take a near miracle for him to be regain enough ground to see the field. Or, more probably, some catastrophic injury on it.

Of course, there is a chance the relative was overestimating the amount of time he needs (they said a few weeks and I am presuing McGinn talked to them last week), but we have no indication of that yet.