Official packers - lions game thread 10/6/2013

[Packers4Glory]

Dumb hold

[red]

a-rod has not been accurate, sorry

and there has only been one drop, and a flag was thrown so it didn't count anyways

[pbmax]

A terrible call on the hold.

[pittstang5]

great, fucking Great...another 3 and out i bet

[pbmax]

You know, was that the play he came out of the end zone? Yea, I think Fairly tried to trip him but missed as he broke the goal line to escape the safety.


edit: they finally called. I think they are letting holding go big time this across the NFL, not just this game.

I think it was either Israel or #78 on that attempted trip not Fairley, but could be wrong.

[pittstang5]

About fucking time they light this secondary up. Good for you Jones!!

[Rastak]

A terrible call on the hold.


I didn't see the replay. They sure have a hard time with holding calls and getting them right....Nice TD pass.

[red]

there we go

now that was a blown coverage

[pbmax]

See? Passing is so much more effective when actually trying to score. :lol:

[Packers4Glory]

Finally

[Guiness]

When did Jones get THOSE wheels? I seriously thought that was Cobb with the ball. Hilarious on the replay to see him looking over his shoulder looking for the db!

[red]

gotta feel bad for that lions d-back. jones isn't exactly a burner

[pbmax]

I didn't see the replay. They sure have a hard time with holding calls and getting them right....Nice TD pass.

It was a bad hand placement but he held it for so little time it was like a slap on the shoulder for a good job.

[swede]

Dammit! We should have RUN there!

[pittstang5]

gotta feel bad for that lions d-back. jones isn't exactly a burner

Take off your fucking skirt and have a drink. don't get soft on me! LOL

[pittstang5]

Fucking figures. D got fooled

[pbmax]

That was Matthews with a Walden blown contain.

[pittstang5]

WTF was that RAji?

[pittstang5]

Linebackers dropping like flies

[pbmax]

Oh good. Two LBs down. Lattimore in?

[red]

MY GOD, that flacco commercial was horrible

AND DOWN GOES ANOTHER LB

[pittstang5]

Who the hell is behind Francois? oh lattimare, ok.

[red]

we might have to become a 4-3 team after we run out of Lbers

[pittstang5]

Bullshit!

[Guiness]

Wow, how is that a penalty on Shields. He played that as near as perfectly as possible.

[pbmax]

Was that outside the 5 yard chuck zone?

[red]

time for the D to fold

[pittstang5]

need a turnover

[Rastak]

Oh good. Two LBs down. Lattimore in?


With a name like that he's gotta be good.

[pbmax]

MY GOD, that flacco commercial was horrible

AND DOWN GOES ANOTHER LB

Was that the bad lip reading guys doing the commercials?

[red]

morgan burnett is a lot faster now that he cut his dreads

more aerodynamic

[pittstang5]

Fucking Claymaker.....bout fucking time!!!

[swede]

#52. D!

[Rastak]

Wow, how is that a penalty on Shields. He played that as near as perfectly as possible.


Fantastic play by Burnett. Is he allowed to shove a guy with both hands running a route well after 5 yards (meaning Shields) ?

[red]

Was that the bad lip reading guys doing the commercials?

it was Mcdonalds where he kept talking about chicken nugets during the game

[pbmax]

Fantastic play by Burnett. Is he allowed to shove a guy with both hands running a route well after 5 yards?

That was Shields on the penalty. Was it after 5 yards? Didn't catch the distance on the replay.

[Rastak]

That was Shields on the penalty. Was it after 5 yards? Didn't catch the distance on the replay.


Yea, like 7 or 8.

[pbmax]

it was Mcdonalds where he kept talking about chicken nugets during the game

Yeah, but it was clearly a take off of that Bad Lip Reading You Tube video from last year.

Remember McCarthy yelling "I can't believe there was a manhole there and he fell in it!"

[red]

Hey Ras, what do you think about josh freeman? PFT is saying you guys are probably where he's going

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/06/report-vikings-currently-the-most-likely-destination-for-freeman/

[pittstang5]

Hey, they let a punt go. Nice Job!

[pbmax]

See how easy that was Cobb?

[Rastak]

Hey Ras, what do you think about josh freeman? PFT is saying you guys are probably where he's going

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/06/report-vikings-currently-the-most-likely-destination-for-freeman/


Oh wow. Not sure, I thought he was really promising and really didn;t understand wtf happened in Tampa other then hurricaine Shiano. Since it's official Ponder sucks I guess I'd be happy as hell with it.

[red]

Clay's out

hamstring

[swede]

Fantastic play by Burnett. Is he allowed to shove a guy with both hands running a route well after 5 yards (meaning Shields) ?
Is the wide receiver allowed to run into him? The first part of the double move locked Shields in place. Incidental at that point.

[Guiness]

Was Mathews heading to the changeroom??? Jogging though, that's a good sign.

[pittstang5]

Great. Matthews to the locker room! let me guess...

Uh, was that a catch? guess so...cool

[Rastak]

Is the wide receiver allowed to run into him? The first part of the double move locked Shields in place. Incidental at that point.


I'm thinking if he didn't shove him with both hands, no. Might then have been Off pass interference.

[swede]

I guess that wasn't a fake.

[red]

well there was a horrible play call

[Rastak]

Great. Matthews to the locker room! let me guess...

Uh, was that a catch? guess so...cool


Pack has had a couple REALLY nice grabs this game.

[pittstang5]

Was Mathews heading to the changeroom??? Jogging though, that's a good sign.

Hope it's just a wardrobe malfunction

[pbmax]

Loved that run. And slide for inbounds.

[red]

Was Mathews heading to the changeroom??? Jogging though, that's a good sign.

lets hope he just shit himself and needs some new pants

[pbmax]

Lacy was just one man away from paydirt. Couldn't get set to cut past him

[Rastak]

Loved that run. And slide for inbounds.


Smart slide but I'll never get used to it......I guess I watched too much Joe Kapp.

[swede]

Loved that run. And slide for inbounds.

Smart for this early in the 4th.

[pbmax]

Not sure Freeman makes sense for Vikes. Is Cassel that bad?

[red]

boy, we really like to waste our time outs don't we

[pbmax]

Smart slide but I'll never get used to it......I guess I watched too much Joe Kapp.

I heard he once had 7 TDs in a game Ras. Did you catch that earlier this year? :lol:

[Rastak]

Not sure Freeman makes sense for Vikes. Is Cassel that bad?


He was last year and the year before too. I really liked Freeman his first couple years. They have Cassel inked for two years, so this would be a bit of a surprise for me if it happens.

[pbmax]

lets hope he just shit himself and needs some new pants

I wonder if this is Cincy all over again. Pull him early to reduce stress on already pulled hammy?

[red]

Not sure Freeman makes sense for Vikes. Is Cassel that bad?

i'm pretty comfortable with freeman going there, i'm not sold on him being a great QB or a good team mate . and i honestly don't know if he's any better then cassell

[red]

how is that not a flag?

[swede]

Smart slide but I'll never get used to it......I guess I watched too much Joe Kapp.

Joe is always willing to fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8

(Eight minutes...save it for later)

[pittstang5]

How is there no flag?

He wrapped him around the fucking head

[Rastak]

I heard he once had 7 TDs in a game Ras. Did you catch that earlier this year? :lol:


Could be. I might be loopy enough to remember it from week 2.

[Guiness]

How was that wrestling move on Jordy not a penalty after what they called on Shields??? Knew that was a penalty by how quickly the DB jumped away and spread his hands!

[Rastak]

Joe is always willing to fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8

(Eight minutes...save it for later)


Dude, that was hilarious when it happened. Two old guys and Kapp ends it with a cross.

[red]

do we have no plays that are ment to get 6 or 7 yards?

we either always go for a 30 or 40 yard bomb or a 2 yard pass

[pbmax]

He was last year and the year before too. I really liked Freeman his first couple years. They have Cassel inked for two years, so this would be a bit of a surprise for me if it happens.

Yeah but part of that was a terrible Chiefs team.

[pittstang5]

TEs or rather Finley, has been shut out. Not sure why.

[Rastak]

Yeah but part of that was a terrible Chiefs team.


Not trying to f up the game thread.....but yea, that's true. OL was a disaster. He looked confifent last week and got the ball out fast and in the right spot. He wasn't Rodgers but Ponder frankly takes too long to do literally everything.

[pittstang5]

C'mon Hawk, don't back up

[Rastak]

Who do you guys play next week?

[Guiness]

Fantastic play by Burnett. Is he allowed to shove a guy with both hands running a route well after 5 yards (meaning Shields) ?

Well after 5 yards? I'd have to see it again, but my impression was that he gave him a pop after two strides then turned and ran. The WR tried to go through him to get to the ball he caught. The announcers weren't sure if the flag was s O or D.

[pittstang5]

WHAT?????

[pbmax]

Holding on Neal.

[pittstang5]

Need a Turnover

[Rastak]

Well after 5 yards? I'd have to see it again, but my impression was that he gave him a pop after two strides then turned and ran. The WR tried to go through him to get to the ball he caught. The announcers weren't sure if the flag was s O or D.


Like 8 yards.

[pbmax]

C'mon Hawk, don't back up

Yeah, that was weak. He had the sideline and wide help. Close and push him wide.

[pittstang5]

Jesus, no Clay and Defense looks like ass. C'mon Guys. LET's GO!!!

[pbmax]

Who do you guys play next week?

Ravens I think.

[pbmax]

Well, pulling Clay before he pulled his hammy paid off there.

[swede]

Dagger!

[pittstang5]

Well, pulling Clay before he pulled his hammy paid off there.

I guess we assume it's the hammy.....do we know it's NOT something else?

[red]

I guess we assume it's the hammy.....do we know it's NOT something else?

what else could it be? its always the hammy with clay

[red]

pound the ball, come on guys. 3 hundred yard rushers in a row

[swede]

Slant?

Slant!

[pbmax]

Nelson slow to get up.

[pittstang5]

JONES!!! Huge, needed to sustain this drive!!

[red]

3rd and 3, we're trying to run out the clock, and we go deep



again

[swede]

Great catch. Good D. Poor call.

[pittstang5]

Nelson slow to get up.

Lions #31 has been molesting him all game

[Guiness]

Circus catch by Jones.

He just bumped his contract demand by a million as well.

[Rastak]

I think you got this one.

[red]

RUN THE FUCKING BALLLLLLLL

shotgun formation on 1st down, and we take a delay

we have looked very confused today

[swede]

3rd and 3, we're trying to run out the clock, and we go deep



again

At this point they were kind of stacked against the run...but point taken.

[pbmax]

See? Three things can happen when you run and 2 of them are bad.

[red]

nice blocking sitton. its always nice when the D gets there at the same time the handoff

[swede]

10 guys on line of scrimmage for Detroit.

[pittstang5]

Lions are planning for the run, more now for obvious reason. Short passes - let's get the TEs involved - Quarless, Taylor...someone.

[Rastak]

See? Three things can happen when you run and 2 of them are bad.


LOL.

[pittstang5]

James Jones, you are ridiculous!!!

[pbmax]

See, passing is so simple.

[Rastak]

REALLY nice throw.

[red]

so, are we now able to say that we used the run today to set up the pass?

[swede]

Oh oh...

[pittstang5]

Oh fuck, taking too long to review. These never go in the Packers favor.

[red]

no catch, but i don't understand what is a catch anymore

i thought you still needed two feet in, which his second one was out

but who the fuck knows anymore?

[Rastak]

Doesn't he have to make a bunch of "football moves" before not getting his second foot in? :mrgreen:


I would think breaking the plane is enough, but I haven't memorized the rule book.

[pittstang5]

yep...told you, we get fucked all the time!!

[Rastak]

Ah, first foot was in the end zone so when the second foot came down it was OB.....

[swede]

Pereira said the process of completing the catch has to happen before plane of goal linr comes into effect. Makes sense.

[pittstang5]

Weak! Just when I think I understand the rules...oh fuck it!

[Rastak]

yep...told you, we get fucked all the time!!


Actually the call made perfect sense once explained.

[pbmax]

I think I could make an existential argument that he had possession of the ball when his right toes were still in the turf at the 2 yard line.

[Rastak]

Weak! Just when I think I understand the rules...oh fuck it!



His first foot when he caught the ball was already in the end zone, as we all know you must get both feet in bounds when you catch the ball in the end zone.

[swede]

Actually the call made perfect sense once explained.

Yes.

And Shields was innocent :raspberries:

[Rastak]

I think I could make an existential argument that he had possession of the ball when his right toes were still in the turf at the 2 yard line.

That's the good and bad of the NFL - everything is gray.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bad call. Right foot may have (perhaps even likely) been on the ground when he caught the ball. I could see it being ruled incomplete if that's the call on the field. It wasn't, and there shouldn't have been enough evidence to overturn it.

[pbmax]

Perry hurt left foot.

[pittstang5]

Now Perry out.....foot, ankle? They just keep going down.


Oh, thank god, just a loose shoe

[Rastak]

Who?

[pittstang5]

Damn, so close.

[pbmax]

His first foot when he caught the ball was already in the end zone, as we all know you must get both feet in bounds when you catch the ball in the end zone.

Well, you need both feet anywhere to make a catch. But end zone couldn't save him since it wasn't an established catch prior to crossing goaline.

[pbmax]

Perry not injured and gets strip sack

[pittstang5]

Of course, we get the ref crew that actually calls Personal fouls. What a joke

[pbmax]

He did get him with a helmet. Dumb play by Banjo.

[pittstang5]

Defense had an opportunity to bury this team, yet they are till here. WTF!!!

[Rastak]

Well, you need both feet anywhere to make a catch. But end zone couldn't save him since it wasn't an established catch prior to crossing goaline.

I'll be honest, I turned towards the TV and I think he replay was already in progress. I have no idea on the rules if he landed one foot outside the goal line, broke the plane but never got his second foot down.

[pbmax]

His first foot when he caught the ball was already in the end zone, as we all know you must get both feet in bounds when you catch the ball in the end zone.

Or was this trolling that Finley TD catch? :lol:

[Guiness]

Doesn't he have to make a bunch of "football moves" before not getting his second foot in? :mrgreen:


I would think breaking the plane is enough, but I haven't memorized the rule book.

I agree with the breaking the plane. Had control, crossed the plane, it's good enough for an RB, why is it different for a WR?

that penalty on McMillan sucked. He did not lead with him helmet at all. WR was going down, the contact was incidental

[swede]

How about six field goals? When was the last time THAT happened? Jan Stenerud?

[Rastak]

Or was this trolling that Finley TD catch? :lol:


I rarely troll on purpose. :-)

[swede]

In advance: Fire Slocum!

[pbmax]

I'll be honest, I turned towards the TV and I think he replay was already in progress. I have no idea on the rules if he landed one foot outside the goal line, broke the plane but never got his second foot down.

Yes, MikeP said he was not yet a running without two feet down so goal line cross was not good enough,

[Guiness]

Actually the call made perfect sense once explained.

I can understand it too, but IMO it doesn't pass the sniff test.

[pittstang5]

Clay out with Thumb injury

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/1737/matthews-leaves-with-thumb-injury

[pbmax]

How about six field goals? When was the last time THAT happened? Jan Stenerud?

Joe Kapp. He did it all. Actually, he decked his own kicker in the pregame warmups and had to kick in that game.

[swede]

Weak holding call. nothing there.

[pbmax]

Boykin with the world's LEAST necessary holding on the play. Already had first down.

[swede]

Joe Kapp. He did it all. Actually, he decked his own kicker in the pregame warmups and had to kick in that game.
Is that the game where he would have had seven but he decked his holder after the sixth?

[pittstang5]

Are you kidding me. My hatred for Schwartz is up there with Carroll and Harbough

[Rastak]

Lame time out by Detroit.

[pbmax]

Is that the game where he would have had seven but he decked his holder after the sixth?

Yes, his drop kick was wide left.

[pittstang5]

You took a timeout to take a knee...stay classy Schwartz

[Upnorth]

So I'm pretending to be a farmer this weekends. Johnson out so our d looks good, however what's the problem on O? I expected a lot of points. How did oline play?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I agree with the breaking the plane. Had control, crossed the plane, it's good enough for an RB, why is it different for a WR?

that penalty on McMillan sucked. He did not lead with him helmet at all. WR was going down, the contact was incidental

The receiver counts as a runner when he gets two feet inbound.

McMillan did give the guy a shot to the head using his shoulder. The second slo-mo showed the guy got his beaner stung pretty good. It was incidental in that McMillan wasn't trying to put a lick on the guy, he just happened to catch him. I think it was a borderline call, but not a terrible call.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Boykin with the world's LEAST necessary holding on the play. Already had first down.

ya, but I didn't see much of a hold.

[red]

So I'm pretending to be a farmer this weekends. Johnson out so our d looks good, however what's the problem on O? I expected a lot of points. How did oline play?

the word shitty comes to mind. they didn't give up sacks, but it wasn't from lack of trying

[Harlan Huckleby]

Clay out with Thumb injury

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/1737/matthews-leaves-with-thumb-injury

He don't need no stinkin thumbs.


BTW, I heard Jones was hurt in the first half, and it was the first time I realized there are three Joneses on the team.
I think one of those guys ought to changes his name to Smith out of consideration for others. Or maybe since Datone Jones is so tall, he can be called "basketball jones"

[red]

ya, but I didn't see much of a hold.

i agree, that was a bad call

[Harlan Huckleby]

the word shitty comes to mind. they didn't give up sacks, but it wasn't from lack of trying

Ahh, the run blocking was pretty good.

On the other side of the ball, it seems like the packers have to rush 5 to get any pressure. Sometimes 6. I guess you can do that when the other team has their two top wideouts out.

[Upnorth]

the word shitty comes to mind. they didn't give up sacks, but it wasn't from lack of trying

Suh and fairly play? Looks like we ran well so by stats alone they look good. Did burnett play? Also perry and Neal with sacks, do we have pass rush now?
Also Crosby 5/5 wow.

[Bossman641]

Didn't get a chance to see the game.

A few questions
-How did Burnett and the safeties in general look?
-I see we only gave up 1 sack. Was that from good protection, quick throws, or was Rodgers just barely getting rid of it before getting drilled?
-How was the run blocking?
-Who was the 3rd down back? I'm guessing not Franklin?
-How was our pressure on Stafford? I see 5 sacks but was that due to heavy blitzing?

Thanks

[Bossman641]

Also, Jones and Francois both got injured? Good god. Anything serious? How was Lattimore?

[Harlan Huckleby]

-How was our pressure on Stafford? I see 5 sacks but was that due to heavy blitzing?
Thanks

Yes, the Packers were sending 5 most passing downs. Lions were short of receivers, and the Packers seemed to contain Bush on screens and outlets

[pbmax]

Didn't get a chance to see the game.

A few questions

-How did Burnett and the safeties in general look?

Better in close (Burnett) same shaky tackling deep (Jennings). McMillan was still dime CB and was OK. They allowed their usual assortment of crossing route completions and a couple throws down the middle.

-I see we only gave up 1 sack. Was that from good protection, quick throws, or was Rodgers just barely getting rid of it before getting drilled?

Compared to usual Lions games, pass pro was solid. Overall it was average. Rodgers had time and only once or twice was someone in his lap. he took no hard shots I remember.

-How was the run blocking?

Stunningly good, thought the Lions were playing six in the box.

-Who was the 3rd down back? I'm guessing not Franklin?

Lacy and Cobb

-How was our pressure on Stafford? I see 5 sacks but was that due to heavy blitzing?

Moderate blitzing, about Capers average but def. not heavy. Best news was Neal (1) and Perry (2) got sacks.

[pbmax]

Yes, the Packers were sending 5 most passing downs. Lions were short of receivers, and the Packers seemed to contain Bush on screens and outlets

Well see in McGinn's ratings column, but I thought it was a pretty average blitz day.

[Teamcheez1]

Any updates on the injury front?

[digitaldean]

Suh and fairly play? Looks like we ran well so by stats alone they look good. Did burnett play? Also perry and Neal with sacks, do we have pass rush now?
Also Crosby 5/5 wow.

Lacy had 99yds. Cobb was sprung for a huge 67 yd run. Burnett played well. We had to rush 5-6 sometimes to get pressure.

Suh had a stupid tripping call on Rodgers that helped extend a drive. Burnett had an awesome pass defensed. A WR broke free in end zone and made up the gap and stuck his handout with back turned to QB. Knocked it away and saved a TD.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well see in McGinn's ratings column, but I thought it was a pretty average blitz day.

I agree. It was a workmanlike effort. Not a lot of standout performances but not a lot of goats either. Took care of business. Next week will be an intriguing game.

[Upnorth]

Lacy had 99yds. Cobb was sprung for a huge 67 yd run. Burnett played well. We had to rush 5-6 sometimes to get pressure.

Suh had a stupid tripping call on Rodgers that helped extend a drive. Burnett had an awesome pass defensed. A WR broke free in end zone and made up the gap and stuck his handout with back turned to QB. Knocked it away and saved a TD.

So burnett looked good! That is music to my ears maybe now we can have a consistent game instead of the massive lapses we seem to have.

[pbmax]

No updates really.

BJones was declared OUT during game for hamstring.

Matthews declared QUESTIONABLE for thumb.

Francois declared DOUBTFUL with ankle.

Perry came back.

[pbmax]

Red gets to wake up early next week and start the Ravens thread.

[red]

Red gets to wake up early next week and start the Ravens thread.

why not, i've got nothing better to do these days. i can plan for it all week

[red]

Bad call. Right foot may have (perhaps even likely) been on the ground when he caught the ball. I could see it being ruled incomplete if that's the call on the field. It wasn't, and there shouldn't have been enough evidence to overturn it.

the more i think about this, the more i agree

when it first happened, i was watching the right foot come back down and i though incomplete. but after seeing the replay, it looks like the right toe was touching when he caught the ball

you could not tell for sure, so since it was ruled a catch on the field it shouldn't have been overturned IMO

[Harlan Huckleby]

I thought the game was a big nothingburger. I'm glad they won, they needed to get to 2-2. But they didn't prove they are better than the Lions.

Packers have a running game, and they mostly shut-down the Lions running game.
My guess is the Packer secondary played well. But missing Johnson & Burleson is similar to the Packers playing without Nelson and Finley.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it looks like the right toe was touching when he caught the ball

you could not tell for sure, so since it was ruled a catch on the field it shouldn't have been overturned IMO

That was a catch as seen on slo mo. Jones got a big dick in the butt, and he looked it on the bench.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Apparently, Clay has a broken thumb.

[denverYooper]

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 9m

Packers LB Clay Matthews suffered a broken thumb today. Unclear whether he'll be able to play through it,

[Harlan Huckleby]

oh boy. broken is bad.

I just watched movie "The Hustler" where Fast Eddie got his thumbs broken for hustling in a pool hall.

http://m.eet.com/media/1169941/newman.jpg

[red]

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 9m

Packers LB Clay Matthews suffered a broken thumb today. Unclear whether he'll be able to play through it,

is there even a debate? you do what every other player has done with a broken thumb

you club up

[pbmax]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9782670/clay-matthews-green-bay-packers-broken-thumb-source-says

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 50s
RT @RobDemovsky: #Packers trying to determine if Clay Matthews will need surgery or can play with broken thumb:

[Teamcheez1]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9782670/clay-matthews-green-bay-packers-broken-thumb-source-says

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 50s
RT @RobDemovsky: #Packers trying to determine if Clay Matthews will need surgery or can play with broken thumb:

Can our defesne survive for any great length of time with Clay out?

I used to think our offense could put up 35 points a game without question. We have now scored one TD in the last 5 quarters.

I guess our motto, as always, is next man up if he can't play.

[pittstang5]

You'd think I'd get used to injuries, especially with this team, but
Goddamn, I am so sick of this shit. If Clay is out for any extended period of time, we are screwed.

[Bossman641]

Hate even typing this but what is timeline on broken thumb if surgery required? I've seen some articles commenting he could miss a few weeks but I believe barnett/urlacher were placed on ir due to broken thumb

[pittstang5]

Hate even typing this but what is timeline on broken thumb if surgery required? I've seen some articles commenting he could miss a few weeks but I believe barnett/urlacher were placed on ir due to broken thumb

Barnett broke his hand...I think

[Joemailman]

Hate even typing this but what is timeline on broken thumb if surgery required? I've seen some articles commenting he could miss a few weeks but I believe barnett/urlacher were placed on ir due to broken thumb

Those injuries were wrist injuries. I know in Barnett's case they said he risked permanent injury to the wrist if he tried to play with the injury. Cullen Jenkins played a few years ago with a club on his left hand when he broke it.

[pittstang5]

Didn't Jenkins break his hand in the first series of a game and came back in the 2nd half with a club.

Matthews will want to play. Even if he has surgery, can't they club it anyway

[Harlan Huckleby]

Even if he has surgery, can't they club it anyway

Just brainstorming here...... couldn't they sever the hand, and fit the stub with a very effective padded club?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well see in McGinn's ratings column, but I thought it was a pretty average blitz day.

Good news! I fast-forward through the Lions offensive plays. The Packers most often rushed 5 on passing downs. Second most often they rushed 4, but not much more than the times they rushed 6.

Maybe it didn't look like blitzes, because there was nothing dramatic off the corner, and the pressure on Stafford was not intense. But the Packers were throwing bodies up the middle all game.

Fuck Bob McGinn, you got Harlan Huckleby right here.

[Pugger]

Calvin Johnson inactive.

Major suck job. What fun is it to beat a team without their superstar player?

This just sucks ass. Lions have another receiver out too. This makes a win less sweet, and a loss more sour. I don't like it.

Nobody felt sorry for us when we lost Clay and only had one RB with a sore foot against Cincy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nobody felt sorry for us when we lost Clay and only had one RB with a sore foot against Cincy.

I felt sorry, a tear fell in my near beer.

[Pugger]

When can we fire Slocum?

Wednesday.

[Pugger]

Clay's out

hamstring

Fracture in his thumb. :-(

[Freak Out]

What did Dominic Raiola say to the marching band?

[Fritz]

I dunno, what?

[Freak Out]

"hey you fat fuck...want a hotdog". I heard he was insulting them before the game.

[Fritz]

Oh, Boo hoo.

All they had to do was ask ol' Dom how he liked all the playoff wins he's been a part of in Detroit over the course of his career.

[pbmax]

All excruciatingly dumb detail can be found here. Both Lions and NFL investigating. Wisconsin's Band has a lot of pull, nationally, it seems.

http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/dominic-raiola-spews-hate-speech-at-wisconsin-band-members/

Hope Dominic enjoyed jousting with the tubas to the tune of the $10,000 fine he's going to get.