INTERESTING ARTICLE...EMOTIONAL CUTS w/o THINKING IT THROUGH

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/kuhn-mcmillian-screw-up-but-escape-being-cut-by-packers-b99122905z1-228492851.html


Maybe not a ton of short term value in the article...but a VERY interesing one that bought out some things I didn't know.

I was pisse when they cut Atkins a while back.....traded Fullwood for nothing.....now I know

[pbmax]

I think causing a city-wide power outage is a reasonable enough reason to cut a player (Billups) :lol:

But I find it odd that Wolf at first claims no one was cut out of emotion, yet he and Holmgren decided ON THE PLANE that Rubley had lost the team. That is true if team means Head Coach and GM. He also led the last three GMs in cuts per year. He did have the bigger rebuilding job initially.

Thompson cuts almost half as many but there are a few quick decisions in there. Would love to know what McCarthy thought Thomas' other problems were, beyond the fact that by then he couldn't play.

[Pugger]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/kuhn-mcmillian-screw-up-but-escape-being-cut-by-packers-b99122905z1-228492851.html


Maybe not a ton of short term value in the article...but a VERY interesing one that bought out some things I didn't know.

I was pisse when they cut Atkins a while back.....traded Fullwood for nothing.....now I know

Rubley wore #12?? :shock:

[Patler]

Would love to know what McCarthy thought Thomas' other problems were, beyond the fact that by then he couldn't play.

Didn't he and Carroll get into a fist fight at a DBs film session? Not sure when that was.

[pbmax]

Didn't he and Carroll get into a fist fight at a DBs film session? Not sure when that was.

Yes, they had a fight. I thought Thomas got the worst of it. Maybe they cut him because he fight back enough?

[KYPack]

I think causing a city-wide power outage is a reasonable enough reason to cut a player (Billups) :lol:

But I find it odd that Wolf at first claims no one was cut out of emotion, yet he and Holmgren decided ON THE PLANE that Rubley had lost the team. That is true if team means Head Coach and GM. He also led the last three GMs in cuts per year. He did have the bigger rebuilding job initially.

Thompson cuts almost half as many but there are a few quick decisions in there. Would love to know what McCarthy thought Thomas' other problems were, beyond the fact that by then he couldn't play.

Billups caused a huge stink on the flight home. A member of the Packers board that was an ex-player played bouncer and it was clear to Billups he was a Packer no more. Billups wrecked his car bc he was all pissed off. He was later killed in a fatal crash that was his fault. The guy was nuts.

[Joemailman]

I seem to recall Aaron Rouse being released in 2009 after a particularly bad game.

[Pugger]

I seem to recall Aaron Rouse being released in 2009 after a particularly bad game.

But if memory serves Rouse was no speed demon and you need that to play WR. :???:

[Guiness]

Good article, thanks.

Get a kick out of the reason for trading Simmons...if he wasn't going to be on the field, you didn't want that nutbar on the sidelines, he definitely would've caused a lot of trouble. I can see the Charles Martin thing as well, GB is not a big city and because of that the team relies on more support from less people. I expect the Packers are more sensitive to players doing stuff like causing brawls than a team in a bigger city where that wouldn't become the talk of the town for the next week.

I doubt the bit on Fullwood is the full story. At first sniff it might seem like they traded a player in his prime, but don't forget he was playing horribly in '90, and only appeared in one game for Cleveland, returning a few kicks. He never played again. Getting that 7th rounder was a steal in hindsight.

Some of the Sherman cuts were obvious and overdue. Seems to me it was obvious to everyone that Thomas, Rouse and Carroll were never going to be NFL players, Sherman held on to them too long because they were his draft choices. None of them became NFL players elsewhere either despite being given a few chances.

I didn't see Kuhn's screwup, what happened? Did see McMillan trip over his own feet though, that was bad.

[run pMc]

The article made a comment about how Rubley had lost the team so they cut him. Admit it, if you were a coach or player and your backup audibles out of 3rd and short to throw a pick against a hated division rival, you wouldn't be a little pissed. The guy wasn't exactly lighting it up so maybe that was the last straw.
Even though some of these cuts were 'emotional', I get the feeling that most were given 2nd and 3rd chances before being cut. I remember Fullwood failing the conditioning test at the beginning of TC and having a lot of attitude about even having to pass it. Thomas was a character risk coming into the draft, Carroll couldn't play, and didn't Martin effectively end McMahon's career with the Bears with a classless body slam?

How many of these players that were cut ever amounted to anything afterwards?

If someone can play, teams will usually do what they can to keep them until the headaches are way too much (or they age and their talent declines enough to justify their release). Witness Charles Haley or Terrell Owens.

Biggest difference nowadays is there's so much NFL coverage and the info goes instantly viral that teams keep a closer lid and less tolerance for a lot of that. (paging Titus Young)

[run pMc]

I didn't see Kuhn's screwup, what happened?

Ryan Taylor blocked a Ravens punt, it landed past the line of scrimmage. Kuhn ran after it, and instead of jumping/diving for it he tried to scoop it up, failed, and the Ravens recovered to get a fresh set of downs. Ravens drove down to the goal line, and the defense held up. Saved his bacon.

[Bretsky]

Yes, they had a fight. I thought Thomas got the worst of it. Maybe they cut him because he fight back enough?

I think your last statement describes it; he was just a bad person..bad teammate.
Aaron Hernandez was also a bad teammate...he went after Wes Welker in Denver when Welker made a crack and called him a rookie......
I'm not comparing the two...at all.....but Hoody had blinders on with that one I think because of his talent

[Bretsky]

I never got the ridding of Wayne Simmons.
It was very well known that the late Fritz Shurmur really loved Wayne Simmons as a player but Mike Holmgren did not...and they clashed
When they got Seth Joyner he was washed up; Wayne Simmons was a much better player than Joyner when he arrived
The dropped the ball on that move

[pbmax]

Boy was this timely for the 2-5 Houston Texans

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/21/texans-make-a-statement-by-releasing-three/


the Texans have released defensive end Sam Montgomery, outside linebacker Willie Jefferson and running back Cierre Wood

[pbmax]

Well, at least they have their college job to fall back on.

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[red]

LOL, wow

[Fritz]

I still don't get the Joyner for Simmons change. Bretsky's right; Joyner was well past his prime when he joined the Packers. Simmons was a raging beast. I don't know if he could cover anyone, or whether he was disciplined in his assignments (probably not), but man, he was better than Joyner.

I did not know Joey Thomas was the asshat; I thought that was Carroll.

[Bretsky]

I still don't get the Joyner for Simmons change. Bretsky's right; Joyner was well past his prime when he joined the Packers. Simmons was a raging beast. I don't know if he could cover anyone, or whether he was disciplined in his assignments (probably not), but man, he was better than Joyner.

I did not know Joey Thomas was the asshat; I thought that was Carroll.


Joey Thomas was an asshat in college as well

Simmons was alright in coverage; certainly better than Joyner. Simmons would blow up the TE and the TE often didn't get a chance to run the route. I wonder if he was out of control off the field......and a borderline guy who they thought might lose it on the field. To me he was what that Packer defense needed and they missed him after they left. I think Reggie White recruited Joyner to GB. At the end of his career he was nothing more than an occasional pass rusher but by the time he got to GB he seemed to have lost that as well. Fritz was never happy with that trade. For some reason I heard whispers...and alwasys thought Holmgren wanted to part ways with Wayne Simmons...just like Infante did with Fullwood

[SnakeLH2006]

Joey Thomas was an asshat in college as well

Simmons was alright in coverage; certainly better than Joyner. Simmons would blow up the TE and the TE often didn't get a chance to run the route. I wonder if he was out of control off the field......and a borderline guy who they thought might lose it on the field. To me he was what that Packer defense needed and they missed him after they left. I think Reggie White recruited Joyner to GB. At the end of his career he was nothing more than an occasional pass rusher but by the time he got to GB he seemed to have lost that as well. Fritz was never happy with that trade. For some reason I heard whispers...and alwasys thought Holmgren wanted to part ways with Wayne Simmons...just like Infante did with Fullwood

Yeppers Bretsky. I remember being excited for Joyner but he was way past his prime...turned out similarly to the Hardy Nickerson signing years later. Simmons, on the other hand, was kind of a loose cannon but he had some bad-man beasting ability to blow up any TE, had definite pass-rush ability, and could cover a bit.

[George Cumby]

The Simmons thing was a head scratcher. Totally crazed on the field. The intimidator a D needs.

[pbmax]

Am I nuts or do I misremember that Joyner was signed after Simmons was released and then asked to play out of position?

I think the part about him not being a good candidate for a backup was NOT tied directly to an already signed Joyner.

[Patler]

Am I nuts or do I misremember that Joyner was signed after Simmons was released and then asked to play out of position?

I think the part about him not being a good candidate for a backup was NOT tied directly to an already signed Joyner.

Joyner was signed in the summer. Simmons was traded during the season, with GB saying they wanted to give Joyner more playing time. I think Simmons was also in his last contract year, and there were differing opinions in the organization about committing significant money to him,

[pbmax]

Joyner was signed in the summer. Simmons was traded during the season, with GB saying they wanted to give Joyner more playing time. I think Simmons was also in his last contract year, and there were differing opinions in the organization about committing significant money to him,

OK, do I also misremember that Joyner was out of position at strongside linebacker?

[pbmax]

Boy was this timely for the 2-5 Houston Texans

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/21/texans-make-a-statement-by-releasing-three/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/22/texans-vets-disappointed-rookies-left-them-in-a-bind/

The players were smoking up at the team hotel.

[Fritz]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/22/texans-vets-disappointed-rookies-left-them-in-a-bind/

The players were smoking up at the team hotel.


Apparently they didn't need two of the guys that badly . . . "but they had an immediate need for Wood last week."

The Texans need Viagra!