official 2014 nfl draft thread

[red]

so, who's everybody looking at in the college ranks

i'd like a TE.but i don't want to waste a 1st rounder on one. i had a chance to watch arthur lynch this last weekend, and he sucked. made some stupid mistakes and had some nice drops, pass

what other positions would we be looking at?

maybe saftey? how bout we go the matt millen route and draft our 3rd LT in the first round. some year we'll hit on one damnit

maybe d-line, theres a chance we could lose both raji and pickett this offseason

do we go ahead and draft out next starting QB in the first round and put a-rod on the clock, i mean lets face it, he's almost 30

james jones could be gone after the season, do we need to find another wr?

speak people. chances are with the a-rod injury, we'll probably be picking in the 20-25 range

[pbmax]

:D

Just preparing for a long offseason already?

[red]

:D

Just preparing for a long offseason already?

preparing for a possible long end to the regular season

[Zool]

Backup QB

[Joemailman]

Johnny Jolly, Ryan Pickett, B.J. Raji, C.J. Wilson, Sam Shields, Jermichael Finley, Andrew Quarless and James Jones among others will all be UFA's this year. What happens in free agency prior to the draft could influence the draft. Also, Tramon Williams is due 9.5 million next year, so he may be released.

In my opinion, the 2 weak points right now are TE and FS. However, these are 2 positions where TT has never spent a 1st round pick. Not saying he wouldn't if the right player were there, but the odds are against it. If he loses 2 out of Jolly/Pickett/Raji, he may have to go DL early.

[hoosier]

Major areas of need: WR, TE, DL (assuming Raji isn't re-signed), S.

[run pMc]

Jolly and Finley will likely scare some suitors away and could be re-signed.
Raji has played better this year and GB will make a god faith effort to keep him but I think he signs elsewhere.
Wilson is a decent player but with Worthy and Boyd on the roster for cheap he's probably gone...especially if they keep Jolly.
Pickett is good but he's old. If they watch his snaps he can play, but they'll need to find his replacement.
Quarless is coming off that ugly knee injury and won't get a lot of interest unless it's a bad draft/FA class for TE's.

James Jones will get interest, so will Sam Shields. Boykin has played well, but if Jones leaves they have to hope Harper turns out, Myles White gets stronger, or they draft someone. IMO they'll draft a WR regardless...Cobb will be up for an extension after next season.

I think the fates of Shields and Tramon are tied together (if Shields signs, Tramon gets a roster or pay cut).

Don't recall if this is a contract year for Bulaga; his injuries will affect his market value.

Ted will take BPA, but agree they have needs at DL, S, TE, WR, backup QB, and possibly interior OL.

[Freak Out]

BPA.

[red]

Jolly and Finley will likely scare some suitors away and could be re-signed.
Raji has played better this year and GB will make a god faith effort to keep him but I think he signs elsewhere.
Wilson is a decent player but with Worthy and Boyd on the roster for cheap he's probably gone...especially if they keep Jolly.
Pickett is good but he's old. If they watch his snaps he can play, but they'll need to find his replacement.
Quarless is coming off that ugly knee injury and won't get a lot of interest unless it's a bad draft/FA class for TE's.

James Jones will get interest, so will Sam Shields. Boykin has played well, but if Jones leaves they have to hope Harper turns out, Myles White gets stronger, or they draft someone. IMO they'll draft a WR regardless...Cobb will be up for an extension after next season.

I think the fates of Shields and Tramon are tied together (if Shields signs, Tramon gets a roster or pay cut).

Don't recall if this is a contract year for Bulaga; his injuries will affect his market value.

Ted will take BPA, but agree they have needs at DL, S, TE, WR, backup QB, and possibly interior OL.

FYI

bulaga is signed through next season. he's still on his rookie deal but is due to make about 3.75 million next season

he'll be a free agent after the 2014 season, like cobb

[Tony Oday]

Is there ever anything good at the 32nd pick?

[woodbuck27]

so, who's everybody looking at in the college ranks

i'd like a TE.but i don't want to waste a 1st rounder on one. i had a chance to watch arthur lynch this last weekend, and he sucked. made some stupid mistakes and had some nice drops, pass

what other positions would we be looking at?

maybe saftey? how bout we go the matt millen route and draft our 3rd LT in the first round. some year we'll hit on one damnit

maybe d-line, theres a chance we could lose both raji and pickett this offseason

do we go ahead and draft out next starting QB in the first round and put a-rod on the clock, i mean lets face it, he's almost 30

james jones could be gone after the season, do we need to find another wr?

speak people. chances are with the a-rod injury, we'll probably be picking in the 20-25 range

A lot of questions Red. I`m looking at it from the standpoint of who do we retain in light of FA.

Finally ... we actually look sounder at RB.

James Jones or not still raises need at WR.

We need to bolster our OL roster spots.

With the current status of JerMichael Finley we need help at TE.

We need a legitimate backup QB.

Emphasis on DL help depends on the quality of talent we retain.

We need to see our secondary produce some turnovers and as it always seems tackle better. TT will certainly be looking to draft there.

PACKERS !

[Joemailman]

Is there ever anything good at the 32nd pick?

Sherrod! :-D

[red]

Sherrod! :-D

and maybe someday down the road we'll be able to say if he's good or not

[Bretsky]

Is there ever anything good at the 32nd pick?

Not the last time

[Smidgeon]

Safety or WR or D-Line.

We need another Nick Collins. Someone to take the ball away from the offense on the back end.
We'll need a WR of the future so in three years when Nelson's and Jones' wheels fall off, he can team up with Cobb to keep passing dominance.
And I don't care if everyone on the D-Line is coming back. I want to see that line constantly harassing the QB. If they aren't making it hell to play QB against the Packers, then they aren't dominant enough.

This whole thing about only 7 INTs all year is getting to me.

[MadScientist]

A stud center would be nice. EDS does not seem to be developing into one. Best player out of NT, C, S, TE, WR will do. That probably means a RB or LB will be chosen (QB won't because no QB worth drafting early will be left). The Packers have a lot of needs this year so TT really needs to nail it to keep the Packers window open.

[woodbuck27]

This is merely for your consumption and not from the Draft Needs Bible. ;-)

2014 NFL Draft Needs and Potential Fits for Every NFL Team

By: Matt Miller (NFL Draft Lead Writer) on November 6, 2013

Green Bay Packers:

" The Green Bay Packers are a real threat to miss the playoffs this season. For that, we can thank injuries to Aaron Rodgers, Jermichael Finley and various offensive linemen and defenders throughout the season.

The Packers haven't been healthy, and it's shown up on the field.

That's bad news for 2013, but a worse record means a higher draft pick. And that's something Ted Thompson could use to shore up holes on the roster. "

Quarterback

Current players: Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallace (free agent), Scott Tolzien

Best fit: Aaron Murray, Georgia (Round 3); David Fales, San Jose State (Round 3); Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (Round 6)


Tight End

Current players: Jermichael Finley (IR, free agent), Andrew Quarless (free agent), Ryan Taylor, Brandon Bostick, Jake Stoneburner

Best fit: Jace Amaro, Texas Tech (Round 1); Eric Ebron, UNC (Round 1); Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington (Round 2)


Nose Tackle

Current players: Ryan Pickett (free agent), Josh Boyd

Best fit: Louis Nix, Notre Dame (Round 1); Danny Shelton, Washington (Round 4); Ryan Carrethers, Arkansas State (Round 5)


Defensive End

Current players: B.J. Raji (free agent), Johnny Jolly (free agent), Mike Daniels, Mike Neal (free agent), C.J. Wilson (free agent), Datone Jones

Best fit: Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (Round 1); Dominique Easley, Florida (Round 3); Deandre Coleman, Cal (Round 5)


Inside Linebacker

Current players: A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore

Best fit: Chris Borland, Wisconsin (Round 2); Shayne Skov, Stanford (Round 2); Max Bullough, Michigan State (Round 4)


PACKERS !

[red]

i think we should draft a backup QB in the first round

its obvious that QB is the only important position on this team, he's the only one that can win you games

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273758/article/ask-5-which-position-will-be-deepest-in-2014-nfl-draft

Ask 5: Which position will be deepest in 2014 NFL Draft?

By Daniel Jeremiah ... NFL Media analyst

Published: Oct. 30, 2013 at 02:50 p.m.

Updated: Nov. 1, 2013 at 03:41 p.m.


Conclusion:

There wasn't a consensus among these executives and I was a bit surprised that quarterback didn't receive any votes. I think they will be hesitant to go with that position until they find out which underclassmen actually declare for the draft.

It is shaping up to be a great draft for teams in need of offensive linemen and cornerbacks. Also, there figures to be plenty of wide receiver depth, as well. Last year's class lacked star power, but there was a very deep pool of NFL starter-caliber players.

This year's class should match that depth while also providing some big-name talents at the top of the first round.


Comment woodbuck27:

The OL and CB positions are areas where the Green Bay Packers have certain need. It would be prudent of TT to pick up a taller and athletic WR.

Here's one of the top OL prospects or a small Bio on CM III's cousin OT Jake Matthews of Texas A&M:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ35kFMy35MOjLICfvHZc8wxJhIfJ0o5 zBfjEDWqpkQHaeRLJWADg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Matthews

Please click on the LINK for the entire story.

GO PACKERS !

[packrulz]

Biggest needs to me are safety and I would really like to find a tall, strong, ILB that can cover TE's over the middle.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24219689/nfl-draft-top5-rankings-by-position-offense

NFLDraftScout.com

2014 NFL Draft top-five rankings by position -- Offense

By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst - November 11, 2013 8:26 pm ET

OFFENSE:

OFFENSIVE TACKLES

SENIORS

1. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 305, 5.08)
2. Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 315, 5.09)
3. Seantrel Henderson, Miami (Fla.) (6-7, 345, 5.06)
4. Morgan Moses, Virginia (6-6, 325, 5.28)
5. Jack Mewhort, Ohio State (6-6, 308, 5.28)

DRAFT-ELIGIBLE UNDERCLASSMEN

1. Cyrus Kouandijio, Alabama, (6-5, 310, 5.12)
2. Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M (6-5, 300, 5.15)
3. Cameron Erving, Florida State (6-5, 320, 5.26)
4. Brandon Scherff, Iowa (6-5, 315, 5.09)
5. Antonio Richardson, Tennessee (6-6, 327, 5.16)


OFFENSIVE GUARDS

SENIORS

1. Cyril Richardson, Baylor (6-5, 340, 5.27)
2. Zack Martin, Notre Dame (6-4, 308, 5.22)
3. Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State (6-3, 340, 5.34)
4. James Hurst, North Carolina (6-6, 305, 5.28)
5. Anthony Steen, Alabama (6-2, 310, 5.22)

DRAFT-ELIGIBLE UNDERCLASSMEN

1. Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA (6-3, 305, 5.18)
2. David Yankey, Stanford (6-5, 314, 5.08)
3. La'el Collins, LSU (6-5, 315, 5.43)
4. Tre Jackson, Florida State (6-4, 330, 5.32)
5. Miles Dieffenbach, Penn State (6-3, 295, 5.43)


OFFENSIVE CENTERS

SENIORS

1. Travis Swanson, Arkansas (6-4, 318, 5.26)
2. Weston Richburg, Colorado State (6-4, 302, 5.18)
3. Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma (6-3, 298, 5.17)
4. Tyler Larsen, Utah State (6-4, 312, 5.17)
5. Bryan Stork, Florida State (6-4, 300, 5.20)

DRAFT-ELIGIBLE UNDERCLASSMEN

1. Ryan Kelly, Alabama (6-4, 290, 5.08)
2. Hroniss Grasu, Oregon (6-3, 298, 4.96)
3. Russell Bodine, North Carolina (6-3, 310, 5.09)
4. Jake Brendel, UCLA (6-3, 285, 4.96)
5. Brandon Vitabile, Northwestern (6-3, 300, 5.20)


WIDE RECEIVERS

SENIORS

1. Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt (6-3, 205, 4.55)
2. Devin Street, Pittsburgh (6-1, 190, 4.52)
3. Jalen Saunders, Oklahoma (5-9, 157, 4.49)
4. Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin (6-1, 190, 4.52)
5. TJ Jones, Notre Dame (6-0, 195, 4.54)

DRAFT-ELIGIBLE UNDERCLASSMEN

1. Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 205, 4.47)
2. Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 225, 4.58)
3. Allen Robinson, Penn State (6-3, 210, 4.54)
4. Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (5-10, 186, 4.52)
5. Marqise Lee, USC (6-0, 195, 4.49)


QUARTERBACKS

SENIORS

1. Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-3, 215, 4.78)
2. Zach Mettenberger, LSU (6-5, 235, 5.18)
3. Tajh Boyd, Clemson (6-1, 225, 4.64)
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (6-2, 222, 4.78)
5. Aaron Murray, Georgia (6-1, 208, 4.83)

DRAFT-ELIGIBLE UNDERCLASSMEN

1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 205, 4.65)
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon (6-4, 212, 4.52)
3. Brett Hundley, UCLA (6-3, 227, 4.68)
4. Brett Smith, Wyoming (6-2, 208, 4.83)
5. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (6-0, 210, 4.45)

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

2014 Draft Prospects DEFENSE - DL:


DT TOP TEN

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

12 Louis Nix DT 1 Notre Dame rJr 6-2 345 1

27 RaShede Hageman DT 2 Minnesota rSr 6-6 311 1-2

38 Will Sutton DT 3 Arizona State rSr 6-0 305 1-2

46 Ego Ferguson DT 3 LSU rJr 6-2 309 2

50 Timmy Jernigan DT 5 Florida State Jr 6-2 298 2

53 Aaron Donald DT 6 Pittsburgh Sr 6-0 285 2

59 DaQuan Jones DT 7 Penn State Sr 6-3 318 2

74 Anthony Johnson DT 8 LSU Jr 6-2 295 2-3

93 Dominique Easley Injured DT 9 Florida Sr 6-2 285 3

112 Daniel McCullers DT 10 Tennessee Sr 6-6 351 3-4

ALL DT's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/DT


Defensive End TOP TEN

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

2 Jadeveon Clowney Injured DE 1 South Carolina Jr 6-5 274 1

14 Vic Beasley DE 2 Clemson rJr 6-2 235 1

20 Stephon Tuitt DE 3 Notre Dame Jr 6-6 312 1

23 Trent Murphy DE 4 Stanford rSr 6-6 261 1

47 Trevor Reilly DE 5 Utah rSr 6-5 255 2

58 Kony Ealy DE 6 Missouri rJr 6-5 275 2

69 Chris Smith DE 7 Arkansas Sr 6-2 268 2-3

75 Michael Sam DE 8 Missouri rSr 6-2 255 2-3

81 Ed Stinson DE 9 Alabama rSr 6-3 292 2-3

91 Jackson Jeffcoat DE 10 Texas Sr 6-4 250 3

ALL DE's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/DE

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

2014 DRAFT Linebacker


TOP TEN OLB:

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

4 Anthony Barr OLB 1 UCLA Sr 6-4 248 1

6 Khalil Mack OLB 2 Buffalo rSr 6-3 248 1

11 C.J. Mosley OLB 3 Alabama Sr 6-2 232 1

19 Ryan Shazier OLB 4 Ohio State Jr 6-2 230 1

31 Kyle Van Noy OLB 5 Brigham Young rSr 6-3 235 1-2

49 Morgan BreslinInjured OLB 6 Southern California Sr 6-1 250 2

61 Adrian Hubbard OLB 7 Alabama rJr 6-5 252 2

86 Telvin Smith OLB 8 Florida State Sr 6-2 218 2-3

92 Carl Bradford OLB 9 Arizona State rJr 6-1 243 3

106 Denzel Perryman OLB 10 Miami (Fla.) Jr 6-0 240 3

ALL OLB's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/OLB


ILB TOP TEN:

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

55 Christian Jones ILB 1 Florida State Sr 6-3 232 2

68 A.J. Johnson ILB 2 Tennessee Jr 6-2 243 2-3

76 Shayne Skov ILB 3 Stanford rSr 6-2 245 2-3

104 Yawin Smallwood ILB 4 Connecticut rJr 6-3 236 3

121 Chris Borland ILB 5 Wisconsin rSr 5-11 246 3-4

136 Lamin Barrow ILB 6 LSU rSr 6-1 232 4

149 *Andrew Jackson ILB 7 Western Kentucky rJr 6-0 258 4-5

165 Max Bullough ILB 8 Michigan State Sr 6-3 245 5

190 Greg Blair ILB 9 Cincinnati rSr 6-1 252 5-6

232 Glenn Carson ILB 10 Penn State rSr 6-3 235 6-7

ALL ILB's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/ILB

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

2014 NFL DRAFT - S

TOP TEN FS

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

21 Hasean Clinton-Dix FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 208 1

41 Lamarcus Joyner FS 2 Florida State Sr 5-8 190 2

83 Dion Bailey FS 3 Southern California rJr 6-0 200 2-3

118 Terrence Brooks FS 4 Florida State Sr 5-11 200 3-4

122 Tre Boston FS 5 North Carolina Sr 6-0 205 3-4

137 Ty Zimmerman FS 6 Kansas State rSr 6-1 204 4

158 Kenny Ladler FS 7 Vanderbilt Sr 6-0 205 4-5

168 Marqueston Huff FS 8 Wyoming Sr 5-11 195 5

179 Nickoe Whitley FS 9 Mississippi State rSr 6-0 205 5-6

225 Avery Patterson FS 10 Oregon rSr 5-9 190 6-7

ALL FS:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/FS


TOP TEN SS:

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

64 Craig Loston SS 1 LSU rSr 6-1 209 2

73 Deone Bucannon SS 2 Washington State Sr 6-1 215 2-3

108 Ahmad Dixon SS 3 Baylor Sr 6-0 205 3

126 C.J. Barnett SS 4 Ohio State Sr 6-0 205 3-4

154 Hakeem Smith SS 5 Louisville rSr 6-1 180 4-5

166 Sean Parker SS 6 Washington Sr 5-10 195 5

199 Darwin Cook SS 7 West Virginia rSr 5-11 203 6

228 Isaiah Lewis SS 8 Michigan State Sr 5-10 208 6-7

245 Alden Darby SS 9 Arizona State Sr 5-11 195 7

273 Jimmie Ward SS 10 Northern Illinois Sr 5-11 192 7-FA

ALL SS:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/SS


GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

2014 DRAFT CB's:

TOP TEN CB's:

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

24 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB 1 Oregon Jr 5-10 185 1

28 Jason Verrett CB 2 TCU Sr 5-10 176 1-2

29 Bradley Roby CB 3 Ohio State rJr 5-11 192 1-2

43 Kyle Fuller CB 4 Virginia Tech Sr 6-0 194 2

57 Justin Gilbert CB 5 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 200 2

62 Louchiez Purifoy CB 6 Florida Jr 6-0 190 2

63 Darqueze Dennard CB 7 Michigan State Sr 5-11 197 2

80 Marcus Roberson CB 8 Florida Jr 6-0 195 2-3

85 Aaron Colvin CB 9 Oklahoma Sr 6-0 192 2-3

89 E.J. Gaines CB 10 Missouri Sr 5-10 195 2-3

ALL CB's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/CB

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

2014 DRAFT TE's

TOP TEN TE's:

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

17 Jace Amaro TE 1 Texas Tech Jr 6-5 260 1

26 Eric Ebron TE 2 North Carolina Jr 6-4 245 1-2

37 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE 3 Washington Jr 6-6 276 1-2

90 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE 4 Iowa Sr 6-6 265 2-3

102 Marcel Jensen TE 5 Fresno State rSr 6-5 258 3

125 Arthur Lynch TE 6 Georgia rSr 6-5 254 3-4

135 Xavier Grimble TE 7 Southern California rJr 6-5 250 4

157 Rob Blanchflower TE 8 Massachusetts rSr 6-4 254 4-5

191 Jacob Pedersen TE 9 Wisconsin rSr 6-4 240 5-6

200 Colt Lyerla TE 10 Oregon Jr 6-5 250 6

ALL TE's:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/TE


GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Biggest needs to me are safety and I would really like to find a tall, strong, ILB that can cover TE's over the middle.

Do you like this guy?

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/msu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/8417710.jpeg

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/msu/graphics/auto/Bullough1.gif

" With his close-cropped hair, fierce forward lean and an intimidating glare that all but transmits a red aiming dot to his intended target, the 6-foot-3, 245-pound (Max) Bullough comes from the mold of the iconic middle linebackers that pop into our consciousness without even having to say their names."

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110513aab.html

The Bullough Legacy Continues

Max Bullough brings the same Bullough toughness to a new generation of football.



165 Max Bullough ILB 8 Michigan State Sr 6' - 3" and 245 lbs

Wears Jersey NO. 40 ... a 5th Rd. Projection

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/max_bullough_716508.html

** in his third season as Michigan State's starting middle linebacker . . . Elected captain by his teammates for the second-straight year; is just the third Spartan under Dantonio to be named a captain at least twice .

** 284 career tackles in 50 games,

** ranks among the FBS active leaders in tackles (25th with 284)

** a team-high 37 consecutive starts

** A first-team All-Big Ten selection by the coaches and a second-team pick by the media as a junior in 2012 . . . named to the 2012 Capital One Academic All-America Second Team, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America, for his 3.73 GPA in finance .

** A Family - third-generation Spartan

PRESEASON NOTES: Featured on preseason watch lists for the Bednarik (defensive player of the year), Butkus (nation's best linebacker) and Lombardi (nation's best lineman) Awards . . .

named to the Nagurski Trophy (defensive player of the year), Lott IMPACT Trophy and College Football Performance Awards Linebacker Trophy Watch Lists . . .

preseason All-America selection by Phil Steele's College Football Preview (second team) and Athlon Sports (third team) . . . '''

rated among the nation's top NFL Draft prospects in the Class of 2014 (No. 4 inside linebacker) by CBSSports.com . . .

ranks among the nation's top inside linebackers (No. 5) by Lindy's . . .

preseason first-team All-Big Ten selection by Phil Steele, Athlon Sports and Lindy's.


Comment wooodbuck27:

I want Ted Thompson and his Draft Staff and Green Bay Packer Scouts to have one word in mind as the focus for drafting over the next few years.

That word is TOUGHNESS !

I want to see TT draft prospects that play TOUGH and MEAN !

I'm aware of this:

For incidents that occurred in the 34–30 win over the Green Bay Packers in week 3 of the 2013 season, (Vontaze) Burfict was fined a total of $31,000.[39] He had hit a defenseless receiver (James Jones) and struck an opponent in the groin (Ryan Taylor).

So many Packer fans didn't see prudence in picking a College Prospect like the Bengals Vontaze Burfect !? The entire NFL missed on this guy who's been nothing short of sensational as an NFL player to date.

What's his status on the Bengals Defensive Depth Chart and overall in the NFL today? He's bad ass 'really good' and leads the NFL this season in Tackles with 118 and *** that's 6 more than the number two tackler Kiko Alonzo of the Bills at 112 tackles. A whopping 22 more tackles than the #3 tackler, Demeco Ryans of the Eagles.

Leading Tacklers in 2013:

*** http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2013&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go

I'm just sick of seeing TT select paper doll prospects. I want him to have an eye and mind out for tough/durable prospects on both sides of the ball moving forward.

I'm sick of reading about just how much 'bad luck' is with Green Bay Packer players.

Bad Luck or lacking in grit/toughness/durability.

It's surely nothing to do with defensive players and contact.

It's not a dance out there .... it's FUCKING NFL football. It's about mean and tough.

Bring that back to the Green Bay Packers Ted Thompson.



GO PACK GO !

[run pMc]

I'm sure the rankings will change about 50 times between now and the draft, but thanks for posting them. Will be interesting to see how they change.

Unless he does something really horrible, I think Tolzien has done enough to get himself an invite to camp as the backup QB. I'd like to see them bring Flynn back to be the competition. A full offseason, etc., will help both and should result in better QB depth next year. The loser of the Tolzien/Flynn competition then gets cut and TT finds some UDFA QB to stash/develop on the PS.

I think TT will go BPA, which based on the rankings doesn't look like it will be a S in R1. I don't watch much college football, so I can't stump for anyone specific...and honestly, I don't really care who they are as long as they come in, play well and stay healthy.

As for the FA's
On the DL, I don't think Pickett(age), Jolly(past) or Wilson(ok vs.run, jag otherwise) will get a ton of interest. Neal might, but he's new to the OLB spot and he's hurt 5 days a week.
Raji will get interest, and if he turned down 8M/yr he's probably gone or crazy. He's talented and explosive but I think TT will find a replacement in the draft. Unless he makes a huge leap in the next 8-9 months, Josh Boyd is not the answer.

James Jones will get interest. Boykin can fill in for him, but TT will need to find someone to be the next Boykin, and down the road they'll have decisions with Jordy and Cobb.

Finley's career might be over, at least with GB. His agent says the surgery won't prevent him from playing, but GB might say no thanks and shop elsewhere. Quarless won't get a ton of interest. People seem to think Stoneburner and Bostick have potential, but I think they'll do something here. This season is basically Bostick's chance to show something.

Shields is going to get interest. Tramon has played two good games in a row after...well, not. I think they do something with that 9.5M salary to keep both of them around. GB seems to have a talented group of CB's, not sure how they fit the schemes (better at zone vs. man, etc.) and play together. Shields is a valuable player and they'll try to keep him. Tramon has yet to match his 2010 year, but is better than what a lot of teams trot out at CB.

Gonna be a very interesting draft/offseason/TC next season. If I had to make a random prediction: they lose Jones, Raji, Wilson, Finley, cut Newhouse and at least one other face on the OL, cut Tramon and keep Shields. I also expect an overhaul at Safety. McMillian, Jennings and Banjo are not safe.

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers are in a situation that they can take their top rated player overall regardless of position. They have holes at every position. It will depend heavily on free agency.

BJ Raji isn't worth huge money, but you sort of have to pay if you are the Packers. They need him more than he needs the Packers.

Pickett could be signed cheap because of his age to a one or two year deal. If the packers shore up those two guys their defensive line doesn't need to be addressed with a high pick.

Inside linebacker, secondary, and receivers especially tight end.

[woodbuck27]

Packers are in a situation that they can take their top rated player overall regardless of position. They have holes at every position. It will depend heavily on free agency.

BJ Raji isn't worth huge money, but you sort of have to pay if you are the Packers. They need him more than he needs the Packers.

Pickett could be signed cheap because of his age to a one or two year deal. If the packers shore up those two guys their defensive line doesn't need to be addressed with a high pick.

Inside linebacker, secondary, and receivers especially tight end.

I'm on the shelf RE: Raji and his reported turning down an $8 Million $ offer. As a FA with experience and some potential and desires for more spectacular plays he commands his own destiny

Pickett ....Yes Nutz we need a balance of the DL back to take heat off the draft there.

I think it's OL, DB and TE.

[woodbuck27]

I'm sure the rankings will change about 50 times between now and the draft, but thanks for posting them. Will be interesting to see how they change.

Unless he does something really horrible, I think Tolzien has done enough to get himself an invite to camp as the backup QB. I'd like to see them bring Flynn back to be the competition. A full offseason, etc., will help both and should result in better QB depth next year. The loser of the Tolzien/Flynn competition then gets cut and TT finds some UDFA QB to stash/develop on the PS.

I think TT will go BPA, which based on the rankings doesn't look like it will be a S in R1. I don't watch much college football, so I can't stump for anyone specific...and honestly, I don't really care who they are as long as they come in, play well and stay healthy.

As for the FA's
On the DL, I don't think Pickett(age), Jolly(past) or Wilson(ok vs.run, jag otherwise) will get a ton of interest. Neal might, but he's new to the OLB spot and he's hurt 5 days a week.
Raji will get interest, and if he turned down 8M/yr he's probably gone or crazy. He's talented and explosive but I think TT will find a replacement in the draft. Unless he makes a huge leap in the next 8-9 months, Josh Boyd is not the answer.

James Jones will get interest. Boykin can fill in for him, but TT will need to find someone to be the next Boykin, and down the road they'll have decisions with Jordy and Cobb.

Finley's career might be over, at least with GB. His agent says the surgery won't prevent him from playing, but GB might say no thanks and shop elsewhere. Quarless won't get a ton of interest. People seem to think Stoneburner and Bostick have potential, but I think they'll do something here. This season is basically Bostick's chance to show something.

Shields is going to get interest. Tramon has played two good games in a row after...well, not. I think they do something with that 9.5M salary to keep both of them around. GB seems to have a talented group of CB's, not sure how they fit the schemes (better at zone vs. man, etc.) and play together. Shields is a valuable player and they'll try to keep him. Tramon has yet to match his 2010 year, but is better than what a lot of teams trot out at CB.

Gonna be a very interesting draft/offseason/TC next season. If I had to make a random prediction: they lose Jones, Raji, Wilson, Finley, cut Newhouse and at least one other face on the OL, cut Tramon and keep Shields. I also expect an overhaul at Safety. McMillian, Jennings and Banjo are not safe.

As you comment on..... things will certainly change a lot over these next 5-6 months.

All the same we have a start here on Packerrats and a beginning of some thoughts on the draft.

A lot to be determined and foremost our draft position.

I agree with your analysis on our DL.

We will need another good pick at WR.

You predict a lot of change:

"Gonna be a very interesting draft/offseason/TC next season. If I had to make a random prediction: they lose Jones, Raji, Wilson, Finley, cut Newhouse and at least one other face on the OL, cut Tramon and keep Shields. I also expect an overhaul at Safety. McMillian, Jennings and Banjo are not safe." run pMc

I believe the team needs a lot of change. Some moves in terms of making a real improvement. Cut the deadwood. We need a roster full of football players that really want to be Green Bay Packers. Players that are dedicated and demonstrating hunger to winning.

GO PACKERS !

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I'm sure the rankings will change about 50 times between now and the draft, but thanks for posting them. Will be interesting to see how they change.



it will, guys that are rated as first rounders now will go in the 3rd and 4th in april and guys you haven't heard of now will be first rounders.

but its a place to start, and if you learn about a projected 1st rounder now you might end up looking really smart come draft time when you know all there is to know about that guy we just drafted in the 5th

[denverYooper]

They need to draft someone who can stay on the damn field.

[call_me_ishmael]

If they drop the next two, I hope they lose out. I'd love to have a shot at either an epic haul for one of the top QBs, or to land that boy from SC.

[packrulz]

Do you like this guy?

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/msu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/8417710.jpeg

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/msu/graphics/auto/Bullough1.gif

" With his close-cropped hair, fierce forward lean and an intimidating glare that all but transmits a red aiming dot to his intended target, the 6-foot-3, 245-pound (Max) Bullough comes from the mold of the iconic middle linebackers that pop into our consciousness without even having to say their names."

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110513aab.html

The Bullough Legacy Continues

Max Bullough brings the same Bullough toughness to a new generation of football.



165 Max Bullough ILB 8 Michigan State Sr 6' - 3" and 245 lbs

Wears Jersey NO. 40 ... a 5th Rd. Projection

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/max_bullough_716508.html

** in his third season as Michigan State's starting middle linebacker . . . Elected captain by his teammates for the second-straight year; is just the third Spartan under Dantonio to be named a captain at least twice .

** 284 career tackles in 50 games,

** ranks among the FBS active leaders in tackles (25th with 284)

** a team-high 37 consecutive starts

** A first-team All-Big Ten selection by the coaches and a second-team pick by the media as a junior in 2012 . . . named to the 2012 Capital One Academic All-America Second Team, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America, for his 3.73 GPA in finance .

** A Family - third-generation Spartan

PRESEASON NOTES: Featured on preseason watch lists for the Bednarik (defensive player of the year), Butkus (nation's best linebacker) and Lombardi (nation's best lineman) Awards . . .

named to the Nagurski Trophy (defensive player of the year), Lott IMPACT Trophy and College Football Performance Awards Linebacker Trophy Watch Lists . . .

preseason All-America selection by Phil Steele's College Football Preview (second team) and Athlon Sports (third team) . . . '''

rated among the nation's top NFL Draft prospects in the Class of 2014 (No. 4 inside linebacker) by CBSSports.com . . .

ranks among the nation's top inside linebackers (No. 5) by Lindy's . . .

preseason first-team All-Big Ten selection by Phil Steele, Athlon Sports and Lindy's.


Comment wooodbuck27:

I want Ted Thompson and his Draft Staff and Green Bay Packer Scouts to have one word in mind as the focus for drafting over the next few years.

That word is TOUGHNESS !

I want to see TT draft prospects that play TOUGH and MEAN !

I'm aware of this:

For incidents that occurred in the 34–30 win over the Green Bay Packers in week 3 of the 2013 season, (Vontaze) Burfict was fined a total of $31,000.[39] He had hit a defenseless receiver (James Jones) and struck an opponent in the groin (Ryan Taylor).

So many Packer fans didn't see prudence in picking a College Prospect like the Bengals Vontaze Burfect !? The entire NFL missed on this guy who's been nothing short of sensational as an NFL player to date.

What's his status on the Bengals Defensive Depth Chart and overall in the NFL today? He's bad ass 'really good' and leads the NFL this season in Tackles with 118 and *** that's 6 more than the number two tackler Kiko Alonzo of the Bills at 112 tackles. A whopping 22 more tackles than the #3 tackler, Demeco Ryans of the Eagles.

Leading Tacklers in 2013:

*** http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2013&seasonType=REG&experience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go

I'm just sick of seeing TT select paper doll prospects. I want him to have an eye and mind out for tough/durable prospects on both sides of the ball moving forward.

I'm sick of reading about just how much 'bad luck' is with Green Bay Packer players.

Bad Luck or lacking in grit/toughness/durability.

It's surely nothing to do with defensive players and contact.

It's not a dance out there .... it's FUCKING NFL football. It's about mean and tough.

Bring that back to the Green Bay Packers Ted Thompson.



GO PACK GO !
Yes, but not in the first round. Brad Jones will get better but I would like youth and speed at ILB. Hawk and Jones are good tacklers though.

[woodbuck27]

Yes, but not in the first round. Brad Jones will get better but I would like youth and speed at ILB. Hawk and Jones are good tacklers though.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/all

2014 Top NFL Draft Prospects (updated 11/13/2013)

On this ranking Bullough is ranked at #165....or late Rd. 4 early Rd. 5.

Hawk and Jones are both playing good this season.

GO PACK !

[run pMc]

165 Max Bullough ILB 8 Michigan State Sr 6' - 3" and 245 lbs

Wears Jersey NO. 40 ... a 5th Rd. Projection

I'd be ok with TT taking him in R5.
As much emphasis as they put on defense in the draft 2 years ago (Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Daniels, Manning, McMillian, etc.) I still feel like the defense needs more playmakers. TT has to address that.

[woodbuck27]

I'd be ok with TT taking him in R5.
As much emphasis as they put on defense in the draft 2 years ago (Perry, Worthy, Hayward, Daniels, Manning, McMillian, etc.) I still feel like the defense needs more playmakers. TT has to address that.

Yes I hope that TT is thinking BPA on 'D' early and then that he opens it up.

BPA on both sides of the ball.

PACKERS !

[Smidgeon]

If they drop the next two, I hope they lose out. I'd love to have a shot at either an epic haul for one of the top QBs, or to land that boy from SC.

QB in Round 1?

[ThunderDan]

QB in Round 1?

My thoughts exactly!

[call_me_ishmael]

No, trade down when someone gets infatuated. All about the sweet haul of picks. I'd rather have the SC boy though.

[MadScientist]

No, trade down when someone gets infatuated. All about the sweet haul of picks. I'd rather have the SC boy though.
If the Packers lose out they will be 5-11. And while 9 straight losses would be the worst in the league, they still would not pick higher than 6th. So who would be picking later than that, but need to trade up to get a QB that would still be there? I mean it would be great if this pans out, but with at least Jax, TB, Hou and Min picking ahead of us and in the QB market, the stars would have to align perfectly. (Cleavland wanting to leapfrog Oakland would be good, but there has to be a QB that falls).

[woodbuck27]

QB in Round 1?

If we win two more games and finish with a 7-9 record we'll pick somewhere between positions 10-14.

Who's there at this time?

Rank - Name - Position - Position Rank - School - Class - Ht. - Wt. - Proj. Rd.

10 - Taylor Lewan - OT - 3 - Michigan - rSr - 6-7 - 315 - 1

11 - C.J. Mosley - OLB - 3 - Alabama - Sr - 6-2 - 232 - 1

12 - Louis Nix - DT - 1 - Notre Dame - rJr - 6-2 - 345 - 1

13 - Mike Evans - WR - 2 -Texas A&M - rSo - 6-5 - 225 - 1

14 - Vic Beasley - DE - 2 - Clemson - rJr - 6-2 - 235 - 1

15 - Derek Carr - QB - 4 Fresno State - rSr - 6-3 - 215 - 1

16 - Cameron Erving - OT- 4- Florida State - rJr - 6-5 - 320 - 1

17 - Jace Amaro - TE -1 - Texas Tech - Jr - 6-5 - 260 - 1

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If we win two more games and finish with a 7-9 record we'll pick somewhere between positions 10-14.

Who's there at this time?

Rank - Name - Position - Position Rank - School - Class - Ht. - Wt. - Proj. Rd.

10 - Taylor Lewan - OT - 3 - Michigan - rSr - 6-7 - 315 - 1

11 - C.J. Mosley - OLB - 3 - Alabama - Sr - 6-2 - 232 - 1

12 - Louis Nix - DT - 1 - Notre Dame - rJr - 6-2 - 345 - 1

13 - Mike Evans - WR - 2 -Texas A&M - rSo - 6-5 - 225 - 1

14 - Vic Beasley - DE - 2 - Clemson - rJr - 6-2 - 235 - 1

15 - Derek Carr - QB - 4 Fresno State - rSr - 6-3 - 215 - 1

16 - Cameron Erving - OT- 4- Florida State - rJr - 6-5 - 320 - 1

17 - Jace Amaro - TE -1 - Texas Tech - Jr - 6-5 - 260 - 1

if we find ourselves in a position to draft nix, then i would grab him, then let raji walk

the problem is, we have to make a decision on raji before the draft and if we let raji go, and can't draft nix, then we're boned because there's a big drop off between nix and anyone else that is fat enough to play nose

[gbgary]

qb? heck no!! impact tight end.

[call_me_ishmael]

I have zero interest in a non-LT offensive player. The offense is good enough with Aaron to win. They're never going to be a super bowl team without Aaron, so what is the point?

I think the QBs are gonna climb in the draft. There are a lot of good ones. Aaron Murray is a baller, the dude from Clemson is supposed to be good, AJ McCarron reminds me of Tom Brady for some reason. The dude from LSU, UCLA and the kid from Louisville are supposed to be the top 3 guys in the draft.

If Clowney fell, I'm all over it. I want the Packers to bring in a some combination of 3 ILB/S, CB, and a linemen.

[woodbuck27]

I watched Alabama's QB AJ McCarron a couple of weeks ago in a game Vs LSU and he looked really solid.

He has that boyish Tom Brady look but he's cool with the ball and decisive and accurate with his throws. I just forget now how he wings it out to the sideline left.

I'm watching the OL again Vs Minny but if things don't change there yesterday >>> MM had better realize he has more RB's than Eddie Lacy. I felt so sorry for that young RB Vs the GIANTS. MM should utilize Starks and Franklin more unless the OL opens up holes. All those negative yard carries in that game last week Vs the GIANTS are a lasting indicator of real need on our OL.

A TE >>>a TE like Jimmy Graham. There is 'only one' TE like Jimmy Graham >>> Jimmy Graham. He's a rare beast.

A terrific weapon for Drew Brees and he'll be paid a $bundle$ to remain a Saint.

PACKERS !

[packrulz]

Zach Mettenburger is intriguing on the 2nd day for a backup: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24337479/nfl-draft-torn-acl-could-push-mettenberger-into-second-day

[run pMc]

Zach Mettenburger is intriguing on the 2nd day for a backup: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24337479/nfl-draft-torn-acl-could-push-mettenberger-into-second-day

If he lasts to day 2 (which wouldn't surprise me, with a torn ACL) he'll go early in R2 a la Geno Smith. Not sure TT will pull the trigger on a pick that high with other needs on defense and Tolzien to develop. I could see him go the late round or UDFA route, unless a veteran comes available cheap in FA or waivers.
Let's say Ponder, Sanchez or Gabbert get cut...would TT/M3 want to take on a project like that as a backup? Is Matt Schaub gonna stick with HOU having a high pick?

I think when it's GB turn to draft and TT sees a group of similarly graded BPA's, he will give preference to DL, WR, S, TE, and ILB over QB in the draft.

Interesting to see when Zach goes. He was thought to be a high R1.

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i'm starting to lean towards CJ Mosley, if HaHa is already gone when we pick

i think he could be exactly the type of player we need in the middle of the field

take him in the first, take a TE in the second, and then grab one of the second tier of safties in the third (second tier is everyone besides HaHa)

[Smidgeon]

And we need a good MLB. Brad Jones can't tackle to save his life. I liked the guy way back when when he had four sacks in his rookie season playing for an injured Kampman, but I'm officially done. Too many missed tackles for a MLB.

[pbmax]

And we need a good MLB. Brad Jones can't tackle to save his life. I liked the guy way back when when he had four sacks in his rookie season playing for an injured Kampman, but I'm officially done. Too many missed tackles for a MLB.

He has not progresses at all. His tackling in tight is atrocious. He can still cover, but 1st and 2nd down aren't kind to him.

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He has not progresses at all. His tackling in tight is atrocious. He can still cover, but 1st and 2nd down aren't kind to him.

i'm not convinced he can cover either after this weeks game

is offensive tackle back on the table yet? sherrod is healthy, and he's playing on special teams. barclay isn't lighting the world on fire, if sherrod had anything to offer then i think he would have been in there getting a look-see

are bulaga and bach with barclay backing them up going to be good enough? i don't know. bach has been really up and down in my opinion

and it does look like we might be falling out of the clinton-dix race. we just keep winning and dropping in the round

i am noticing a lot of mock having us taking a TE, either amaro from texas tech or ebron from north carolina

[Joemailman]

Packers currently have the 16th position in the draft. There are 4 teams at 7-8, so they could conceivably move as high as 12th if they lose Sunday. Of course if they win Sunday, then the earliest they could draft would be 21st. By the way, the last time the Packers picked 16th they took Justin Harrell.

Just to throw a name out there...NT Louis Nix of Notre Dame was thought to be a top 10 pick but had surgery for a torn meniscus in late November. Some mocks have him slipping to where he could be available when the Packers pick. Would TT take the chance?

The Redskins would have the 2nd pick in the draft, but St. Louis has the pick because of the RGIII deal. Ouch!

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Packers currently have the 16th position in the draft. There are 4 teams at 7-8, so they could conceivably move as high as 12th if they lose Sunday. Of course if they win Sunday, then the earliest they could draft would be 21st. By the way, the last time the Packers picked 16th they took Justin Harrell.

Just to throw a name out there...NT Louis Nix of Notre Dame was thought to be a top 10 pick but had surgery for a torn meniscus in late November. Some mocks have him slipping to where he could be available when the Packers pick. Would TT take the chance?

The Redskins would have the 2nd pick in the draft, but St. Louis has the pick because of the RGIII deal. Ouch!

i've looked at nix, and he would be the big body that we need if raji and/or pickett leave

but, does anyone else think we suck at drafting d-linemen in the first and second rounds?

i think i would like it if nix were to be the pick, but i can also see us sitting here in 3 years saying the same things about nix that we're now saying about raji

who knows, but he is on my list of guys i wouldn't mind at this point

[Guiness]

I wonder who ends up with Johnny 'football' Manziel. I have a pretty strong feeling that the best thing about him is going to be his bobble head doll.

[Joemailman]

I wonder who ends up with Johnny 'football' Manziel. I have a pretty strong feeling that the best thing about him is going to be his bobble head doll.

The 2 mock drafts at CBS have him going 3rd (Jacksonville) and 8th (Minnesota). He's one guy who will be watched real closely at the combine in terms of his team and press interviews, to see how he carries himself. A real boom or bust pick.

[woodbuck27]

The 2 mock drafts at CBS have him going 3rd (Jacksonville) and 8th (Minnesota). He's one guy who will be watched real closely at the combine in terms of his team and press interviews, to see how he carries himself. A real boom or bust pick.

I listened to so called NFL experts say that Matt Schaub is definitely done in Houston and Case Keenum would make a decent backup to some QB that the Texans will obviously pick. I was surprized when those fellas said because Johnny Manziel comes from Texas A & M he might be a logical pick for the Houston Texans because of the popularity he'll draw for that team.

He's a dual threat style of QB and arguably the best coming out of college. He made strides passing downfield this season. Manziel is 6' - 1" and 210 lbs.

If they go QB they might be better off looking at either:

** Good height for the NFL.

A) Teddy Bridgewater 6' -3 " and a tad light 193 lbs; Big East Rookie of the Year (2011); Freshman All-American (2011); Big East Offensive Player of the Year (2012) and
Sugar Bowl MVP, 2013 (2012 season)

B) Blake Bortles ** 6' - 4" and 230 lbs ; C-USA Champion (2010); 2012 Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl MVP; The American Champion (2013) and The American Offensive Player of the Year (2013).


GO PACKERS ... GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

I wonder who ends up with Johnny 'football' Manziel. I have a pretty strong feeling that the best thing about him is going to be his bobble head doll.

Woot, finally a new avatar

[mraynrand]

i've looked at nix, and he would be the big body that we need if raji and/or pickett leave

but, does anyone else think we suck at drafting d-linemen in the first and second rounds?

i think i would like it if nix were to be the pick, but i can also see us sitting here in 3 years saying the same things about nix that we're now saying about raji

who knows, but he is on my list of guys i wouldn't mind at this point

Packers haven't drafted well at all above 20 in over two decades - since Sterling Sharpe. And Sharpe, Reuttgers, and Lofton are the only memorable above 20 picks going back thirty years. The rest have been pretty much "meh." When Taylor, Holliday, Franks, Hawk, and Raji are the best you can get, you may as well trade down.

[packrulz]

In my opinion, you want to draft lineman in the first round, just because the quality drops off so fast. It's early yet, and most teams don't like to draft guards in the first round, but Cyril Richardson, G, Baylor, 6-5, 335, played LT in 2011, and is a bulldozer in the run game. I could see him blocking for Lacy, maybe move Lang over to C. I'm not that happy with EDS at C. Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas (6-4, 318) is a consideration too. Ha Ha isn't a great tackler, I'd rather have Dion Bailey, FS, Southern Cal. in the 3rd round.

[woodbuck27]

In my opinion, you want to draft lineman in the first round, just because the quality drops off so fast. It's early yet, and most teams don't like to draft guards in the first round, but Cyril Richardson, G, Baylor, 6-5, 335, played LT in 2011, and is a bulldozer in the run game. I could see him blocking for Lacy, maybe move Lang over to C. I'm not that happy with EDS at C. Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas (6-4, 318) is a consideration too. Ha Ha isn't a great tackler, I'd rather have Dion Bailey, FS, Southern Cal. in the 3rd round.

Your getting down with the upcoming draft...super! Thanks for the heads up and the mentioned prospects. I''ll take a look.

I'm just on and off 'dabbling' with that right now to 'dabbling slowmo'. There's something else that has my attention in a BIG WAY. :-)

GO PACKERS....GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

No, trade down when someone gets infatuated. All about the sweet haul of picks. I'd rather have the SC boy though.

It's hard to change the spots on ... (pick one ...Yah Yah right there).

Just maybe?...quality over quantity may be the order of his day!?

GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

In my opinion, you want to draft lineman in the first round, just because the quality drops off so fast. It's early yet, and most teams don't like to draft guards in the first round, but Cyril Richardson, G, Baylor, 6-5, 335, played LT in 2011, and is a bulldozer in the run game. I could see him blocking for Lacy, maybe move Lang over to C. I'm not that happy with EDS at C. Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas (6-4, 318) is a consideration too. Ha Ha isn't a great tackler, I'd rather have Dion Bailey, FS, Southern Cal. in the 3rd round.

I think you have to take a shot at OL with the guys we have and pray for health. We are so weak at MLB and S that OL isn't a true concern. If Bulaga, Tretter and Sherrod can come in and stay healthy we are a different OL already.

[pbmax]

Write it down, they need an outside corner. Hyde and Hayward can patrol the middle, but Tramontana isn't getting better and the House development project looks like its in trouble.

[woodbuck27]

Write it down, they need an outside corner. Hyde and Hayward can patrol the middle, but Tramontana isn't getting better and the House development project looks like its in trouble.

Add in the length of time it's taken to ink Sam Shields and the pic isn't good.

Packers become EX Packers.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0LLrCU4kXZDIqyVFOrecYwnCO1WauW PB2njMvIq0cfBTrvDyK

A little help for the Bank of the Green Bay Packers.... PLEASE.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 47m
At least two teams said this week they have UCLA's Brett Hundley rated as highest-rated QB in the 2014 draft if he decides to enter it.

[bobblehead]

Write it down, they need an outside corner. Hyde and Hayward can patrol the middle, but Tramontana isn't getting better and the House development project looks like its in trouble.

I think I have seen signs that Tramon is getting better. The 2 picks (well, one and almost one) against the steelers were athletic plays. His forte was always ballhawking and he has flashed that again. I guess I will trust in TT and see how he handles that contract in the offseason.

[pbmax]

I think I have seen signs that Tramon is getting better. The 2 picks (well, one and almost one) against the steelers were athletic plays. His forte was always ballhawking and he has flashed that again. I guess I will trust in TT and see how he handles that contract in the offseason.

I think that injury and the long recovery time has really messed with him. Normally your physical decline (say Woodson AFTER his Raiders tenure) comes on slowly as you lose some speed, flexibility, etc.

But Tramontana had to re-learn to play CB one armed AND declined a bit over the two years it took to recover. I would not be stunned if he has leveled off and will have a comeback of sorts next year. If House is done though, they still need an outside corner.

[woodbuck27]

I think I have seen signs that Tramon is getting better. The 2 picks (well, one and almost one) against the steelers were athletic plays. His forte was always ballhawking and he has flashed that again. I guess I will trust in TT and see how he handles that contract in the offseason.

$$$$$$$$$$ Costly CB's $$$$$$$$$$

pbmax is correct.

[woodbuck27]

Who wins:

Detroit @ Minny?

San Fran @ Arizona?

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I think I have seen signs that Tramon is getting better. The 2 picks (well, one and almost one) against the steelers were athletic plays. His forte was always ballhawking and he has flashed that again. I guess I will trust in TT and see how he handles that contract in the offseason.

i think this is a classic case of a guy making a couple highlight reel plays and all of a sudden people are forgetting his past sins.

i still think he's average at best at CB, maybe a little better. but he's not close to being a top CB

i don't think he plays anywhere near a 10 million dollar CB, so i would be shocked if he didn't get cut, OR take a pay cut ala hawk

like i said somewhere else, i would rather cut tramon and give shields his money

[pbmax]

i think this is a classic case of a guy making a couple highlight reel plays and all of a sudden people are forgetting his past sins.

i still think he's average at best at CB, maybe a little better. but he's not close to being a top CB

i don't think he plays anywhere near a 10 million dollar CB, so i would be shocked if he didn't get cut, OR take a pay cut ala hawk

like i said somewhere else, i would rather cut tramon and give shields his money

The dollar amount is the biggest problem. But earlier this year he was worse than his dollar problem.

[bobblehead]

i think this is a classic case of a guy making a couple highlight reel plays and all of a sudden people are forgetting his past sins.

i still think he's average at best at CB, maybe a little better. but he's not close to being a top CB

i don't think he plays anywhere near a 10 million dollar CB, so i would be shocked if he didn't get cut, OR take a pay cut ala hawk

like i said somewhere else, i would rather cut tramon and give shields his money

We aren't really disagreeing. I don't see him as a top CB, but where he was sucking it up for 2 years, he has gotten back to slightly above average. I also agree he is paid as a top CB and may take a cut, or TT may be loyal if we have the cap space to accomplish what he wants to do. Is he in the last year of that deal? If so, TT may just ride it out, if there is more than one year to go he may try to rework the numbers.

edit ps. I haven't forgotten his sins, and I am not only talking about his play last week. He has flashed here and there and not had any gaffes for about 5-6 weeks now. Maybe its just a lucky run, but as I have stated before, I don't believe a CB gets lucky for more than 2 weeks max.

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We aren't really disagreeing. I don't see him as a top CB, but where he was sucking it up for 2 years, he has gotten back to slightly above average. I also agree he is paid as a top CB and may take a cut, or TT may be loyal if we have the cap space to accomplish what he wants to do. Is he in the last year of that deal? If so, TT may just ride it out, if there is more than one year to go he may try to rework the numbers.

edit ps. I haven't forgotten his sins, and I am not only talking about his play last week. He has flashed here and there and not had any gaffes for about 5-6 weeks now. Maybe its just a lucky run, but as I have stated before, I don't believe a CB gets lucky for more than 2 weeks max.

yup, next year is his last year under contract

here's his contract

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/tramon-williams/

wonder if its possible to extend him, where we would turn his whole 2014 salary into a signing bonus. he could stil get the same amount of money, but his cap number could come way down. it would have to be something like tearing up his existing contract and starting over.

like. 2 two year extension for 15 million, with lets say 9 million as a signing bonus (just to make it easier). first year salary is maybe 1 million, 2 million in year 2, and 3 million in year 3

in 2014 he already has 2 million from his last signing bonus, so that would stay. you would add the new 3 million dollars in pro rated signing bonus, plus his million dollar salary. so in 2014 his cap number would be around 6 million, down from the 9.5 that it is suppose to be

in 2015 the cap number would be 5 million, and in 2016 it would be 6 million

those numbers look a lot better to me. i don't know if he would go for it or not

[channtheman]

Shut this fucking thread down for at least a week.

[Joemailman]

Packers would have had 14th pick if they lost. They'll now be somewhere between 21-32. More the area where TT has made his best picks. Matthews and Rodgers were mid-20's.

[gbgary]

if we go te (which I'm not exactly advocating since the d needs so much help)...jace amaro...texas tech (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10219208/jace-amaro-texas-tech-red-raiders-enter-nfl-draft)

[mraynrand]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 47m
At least two teams said this week they have UCLA's Brett Hundley rated as highest-rated QB in the 2014 draft if he decides to enter it.

Brownies want Bortles. Think he will be the next Big Ben, sans assaults.

[Freak Out]

Who to take at #32?

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another high profile QB has decided to stay in school rather then take his chances of getting drafted by the queens

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/05/report-brett-hundley-to-stay-at-ucla/

this is the guy many mocks had going to minnie

[Joemailman]

another high profile QB has decided to stay in school rather then take his chances of getting drafted by the queens

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/05/report-brett-hundley-to-stay-at-ucla/

this is the guy many mocks had going to minnie

Probably a good move for him. He was probably going to be at best the 4th QB taken. A good senior year could make him the #1 QB next year.

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Probably a good move for him. He was probably going to be at best the 4th QB taken. A good senior year could make him the #1 QB next year.

yeah but they are projecting 4 or 5 qb's to be taken with the first 8 picks. one mock had 4 going in the first 5 picks

i think, if you're going in the top 10 of the draft, you come out and start getting paid.

look how badly going back to school hurt matt barkly. most though he would be the #1 pick, but he went back, and i think he was a 3rd or 4th rounder

[Joemailman]

yeah but they are projecting 4 or 5 qb's to be taken with the first 8 picks. one mock had 4 going in the first 5 picks

i think, if you're going in the top 10 of the draft, you come out and start getting paid.

look how badly going back to school hurt matt barkly. most though he would be the #1 pick, but he went back, and i think he was a 3rd or 4th rounder

I think you're right that there are probably 4 teams looking to take a QB in the top 8 picks. The danger for him would have been if he's not one of the top 4, he could drop right out of the 1st round.

[woodbuck27]

Probably a good move for him. He was probably going to be at best the 4th QB taken. A good senior year could make him the #1 QB next year.

Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round

Teddy Bridgewater QB 1 Louisville Jr 6-3 205 1

Johnny Manziel QB 2 Texas A&M rSo 6-0 210 1

Blake Bortles QB 3 UCF rJr 6-3 230 1

Derek Carr QB 4 Fresno State rSr 6-3 218 1

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Brett Smith QB 5 Wyoming Jr 6-2 206 2

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David Fales QB 6 San Jose State Sr 6-2 220 2-3

Zach MettenbergerInjured QB 7 LSU rSr 6-5 235 2-3

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A.J. McCarron QB 8 Alabama rSr 6-3 214 3

Jimmy Garoppolo QB 9 Eastern Illinois Sr 6-2 222 3

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Tajh Boyd QB 10 Clemson rSr 6-1 225 3-4

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a lot of mocks don't have carr as a first rounder, other say he'll be just as big of a bust as his brother was

i hope the viqueens trade up to take him

[Joemailman]

a lot of mocks don't have carr as a first rounder, other say he'll be just as big of a bust as his brother was

i hope the viqueens trade up to take him

You trying to get banned? Dissing a guy from Fresno State?

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You trying to get banned? Dissing a guy from Fresno State?

what, is that where sanchez (i assume thats mads real name, probably jose sanchez) went?

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i think its official

we have the 21st pick

i want cj mosely, we need a fast tough MLB

trade up if you have to

[run pMc]

Green Bay will pick No. 21, Philadelphia No. 22, Cincinnati No. 23 and Kansas City No. 24.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sbnation/SBNation_20140105_2014_NFL_Draft_order__Picks_1-24_set_following_first_week_of_playoffs.html#jFEiQ Fc9HLMhySlZ.99

Mosley might be available at 21...hard to say. Lots can happen between then and now...Senior Bowl, Combine, brushes with law, etc.

Not sure that Sam Barrington will come in and take one of the ILB spots.
Capers has had to play a lot of rookie starters the last two seasons...not sure how much plugging more rookies in will help, but they need more speed at ILB, more pass rush, and another safety. Of course, being healthy helps too. IMO the Safeties and ILBs play hard but are mostly JAGs.
TT did better with this crop of rookies than the previous year IMO -- Lacy, Bahktiari, Hyde will be better, and if Tretter, Franklin and Jones can play it's a pretty good draft class. Here's hoping this next group is a good one too -- they need help.

[Joemailman]

I'd be really surprised if Mosley is available at 21, especially with Lovie Smith taking over at Tampa Bay. Maybe Shayne Skov of Stanford in the 2nd round.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It sounds like the strengths of this draft are WR, TE, OT, and OLB. CB and QB are deep but not elite at the top. RB, DL, and S are relatively weak. I'm starting to think Thompson might shock the world and sign a FA DL (if he is unable to resign Raji) and/or FA safety. Don't look for him to grab a stud like Byrd though, but there is a lot of depth in the FA market at those positions. I'm intrigued by TE Jace Amaro. He's projected to go in round 2 in the projections I see, but he looks a little like Jason Witten to me. I'm also intrigues by Jordan Matthews. He reminds me a little of Jordy Nelson. TT might be able to get a guy like Arthur Jones, Linval Joseph, Paul Soliai, and Randy Starks without breaking the bank. Byrd will probably get too much money. T.J. Ward is intriguing. Or he could go cheaper with a guy like Malcolm Jenkins or Nate Allen (a bust until this year, but was solid in 2013) and hope they are serviceable. I'd love to get a guy like Jason Worilds of Pittsburgh, but he'll likely get too much money. More likely, TT tries to resign Mike Neal. Then, rolls with Clay, Perry, and Neal and hope they stay healthy next year.

[Brandon494]

I would love if we drafted Jace Amaro in the 2nd round but I doubt he'll fall to our 2nd round pick...besides I don't want TT drafting anything but defense with the first 3 picks. I also like all those defensive FAs you name but I'm not getting my hopes up...its TT we are talking about.

[packrulz]

I'm warming up to Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radhkxCTH-w he has good size and plays aggressive, he plays ST, and we could leave Hyde at CB. I don't think he would be a reach at 21.

[woodbuck27]

" More likely, TT tries to resign Mike Neal. Then, rolls with Clay, Perry, and Neal and hope they stay healthy next year." HarveyWallbangers

Thudd !

[woodbuck27]

Mosley might be available at 21...hard to say. Lots can happen between then and now...Senior Bowl, Combine, brushes with law, etc.

Not sure that Sam Barrington will come in and take one of the ILB spots.
Capers has had to play a lot of rookie starters the last two seasons...not sure how much plugging more rookies in will help, but they need more speed at ILB, more pass rush, and another safety. Of course, being healthy helps too. IMO the Safeties and ILBs play hard but are mostly JAGs.
TT did better with this crop of rookies than the previous year IMO -- Lacy, Bahktiari, Hyde will be better, and if Tretter, Franklin and Jones can play it's a pretty good draft class. Here's hoping this next group is a good one too -- they need help.

I agree that TT's last draft looks OK right now.

RB Eddie Lacy is a hero in my books. That man has courage that few on the team can best. I'm all in as Eddie Lacy as my favourite Green Bay Packer.

LT David Bakhtiari was tossed into the fire and hardened. He impressed many considering this was a Rookie season. He'll hopefuly be moved to either RT or guard next season.

CB Micah Hyde did contribute and almost did in a huge way last Sunday if he collects that 'pick six'. I like his aggressive style of play. I like his athleticism. In a worse case scenario where we lose Sam Shields and Tramon Williams he's going to have too grow fast.

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DE Datone Jones as most defensive lineman do; needs time to grow into a consistent/relied upon player. I think that he would have been a better fit on a 4-3 base 'D' ( 6'-4" 285 lbs ). Some more weight in his ass might help?

Tretter and Franklin are " let's wait and see's ".

GO PACK GO !

[Brandon494]

I'm warming up to Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radhkxCTH-w he has good size and plays aggressive, he plays ST, and we could leave Hyde at CB. I don't think he would be a reach at 21.

They have us drafting him in a few mock drafts.

http://www.drafttek.com/2014-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-Free-Safeties-2014-Draft.asp

Theres a list of the top safeties in this years draft, I like Kenny Ladler (Vanderbilt) and Terrance Brooks (FSU) as 2nd day picks. I'm hoping Khalil Mack falls to us in the 1st round.

[run pMc]

I think Datone Jones is a 3-4 DE and has a shot at being good. In a 4-3 he'd probably be a DT. With a full offseason he could turn into a terror next to Mike Daniels on 3rd and 8 (if the defense can hold a team to that).

Hard to know who will be there at 21 it's still early and the Pro Days/combine help shape the boards.
They have other positions to fill but I wouldn't complain if they drafted a TE. I think they go with a TE in the 1st 3 rounds (Maybe some dude like C.J. Fiedorowicz in R3) if Quarless and Finley walk.

Anybody know if Chris Harper can play? He was on the PS and then the 53 (if inactive)...am wondering if he's another Boykin-in-waiting. SEA took him R4 and went Cory Rogers on him, SF tried to make him a TE, so he must have some talent.

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i think datone has to add weight to be an effective 3-4 DE. 285 just doesn't cut it. o had my concerns about the weight before the last draft but i guess i let myself be talked into looking past the weight

3-4 linemen, all of then, need to be fatties

look at our best ones this year. wilson and daniels, with boyd showing some solid potential. lower or mid round fat bodies. thats what we need

[pittstang5]

It might be the system, training or just the position in general, but D-lineman usually come on strong the second year. IIRC, Raji had a very good 2nd year, Jolly came on in his second year and Daniels this year (his second year).

Barring injury, I have no doubt that D. Jones will have a good year in 2014.

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Yawin Smallwood ILB from u-conn (6-2 or 3, 244 pounds)

can can blitz, guy can get off blocks, and the guy can cover

note the play at 5:30 where he drops back, spies the QB, then goes in for the sack


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no1XGpRPfO0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TRkGSNkERc

[woodbuck27]

red; Yawin Smallwood ILB from u-conn (6-2 or 3, 244 pounds)

" can can blitz, guy can get off blocks, and the guy can cover...." red


I like his head in the game style and the way he pursues sideline to sideline. I like his never say die looks and tackling ability. He certainly looks like a baller red?

When is he projected to be picked?

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looks like second or third round right now

[woodbuck27]

My feeling and DE Datone Jones is strictly based in his bulk.

I'm trying to recall what I saw from his college video's. I thought he played in a 'four' front?

I have to check that soon.

PACKERS.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

One LB I would not take a chance on is Badger Chris Borland, even though it would be a popular choice. No offense to Chris, or his fans, but we need bigger and faster.

[woodbuck27]

One LB I would not take a chance on is Badger Chris Borland, even though it would be a popular choice. No offense to Chris, or his fans, but we need bigger and faster.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/02/chris-borland-a-no-go-for-badgers-today/

Chris Borland a no-go for Badgers today (Vs Iowa)

Posted by John Taylor on November 2, 2013, 11:52 AM EST

" The loss of Borland is huge ... he is far and away UW’s leading tackler with 57; the next closest is Michael Caputo‘s 34. He’s also tied for second on the team in sacks (two) and third in tackles for loss (three). " Fr. LINL

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skov is another one i would take a pass on

guess the knock on him is that he can't cover. and we kinda need a guy that does that

so even though i love his intensity, he might be off my board

[woodbuck27]

http://www.freep.com/article/20140102/SPORTS07/301020028/

Michigan State players honor suspended ( Team Captain) Max Bullough during Rose Bowl.

2:30 PM, January 2, 2014

Comment woodbuck27:

I believe I mentioned this ILB somewhere on the forum and I'm not sure if it was on this thread.

Anyone know anything about this mysterious suspension?

[pbmax]

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
This draft is loaded at WR/TE/OT/LB.

[smuggler]

In my fantasy world, we somehow get the NT Nix. In reality, we get an offensive lineman who gets injured.

[Joemailman]

Possible Nix will be available. He had minor knee surgery in November, so teams will be looking into that. My guess is Steelers grab him at #15.

[run pMc]

i think datone has to add weight to be an effective 3-4 DE. 285 just doesn't cut it. o had my concerns about the weight before the last draft but i guess i let myself be talked into looking past the weight

3-4 linemen, all of then, need to be fatties

look at our best ones this year. wilson and daniels, with boyd showing some solid potential. lower or mid round fat bodies. thats what we need

I'm not so sure about this. SF's Justin Smith and Ray McDonald are listed at 285 and 290. PIT's Brett Keisel goes 285, Cameron Heyward is 288.
I'd be concerned about Jones losing speed if he went much over 295.

If you're just looking for gap pluggers then I agree. If you want to get some pass rush from your DLine, you need more than Ryan Pickett clones.

[pbmax]

I'm not so sure about this. SF's Justin Smith and Ray McDonald are listed at 285 and 290. PIT's Brett Keisel goes 285, Cameron Heyward is 288.
I'd be concerned about Jones losing speed if he went much over 295.

If you're just looking for gap pluggers then I agree. If you want to get some pass rush from your DLine, you need more than Ryan Pickett clones.

That is one of the interesting questions about Capers D. He goes Super Size on his lineman to stop the run and protect the LBs on early or obvious run downs. Forget McGinn's offseason non-sense, when healthy the packers base D line is one of the biggest in the League. But that has not made the team consistently more effective.

Is there a point to being that big if you don't have the run defense results to show for it? Because in the end it splits you D line group, diminishes death and reduces the pass rush.

[denverYooper]

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
This draft is loaded at WR/TE/OT/LB.

So Green Bay will take a WR in round 1 then?

[pbmax]

So Green Bay will take a WR in round 1 then?

Trade down, round 2 WR, as per Ted's programming.

[bobblehead]

That is one of the interesting questions about Capers D. He goes Super Size on his lineman to stop the run and protect the LBs on early or obvious run downs. Forget McGinn's offseason non-sense, when healthy the packers base D line is one of the biggest in the League. But that has not made the team consistently more effective.

Is there a point to being that big if you don't have the run defense results to show for it? Because in the end it splits you D line group, diminishes death and reduces the pass rush.

If you think about it, our D was most successful when we had Pickett and Howard Green and Raji. Pretty daunting size. Now Pickett is aging/hurting and Raji is miscast.

[pbmax]

If you think about it, our D was most successful when we had Pickett and Howard Green and Raji. Pretty daunting size. Now Pickett is aging/hurting and Raji is miscast.

2009 was even better with Pickett, Jolly and Jenkins at end. That line could stuff the run with Hawk and Burnett as backers. Problem is, not enough pass rushers on team for other down distance. 2010 was better balance with Raji playing more, being more effective.

If Raji isn't here to pass rush, the run D players contribute nothing to pass rush. Puts a lot of pressure on the 3 or 4 remaining guys. My suspicion is that the count on Jones and Boyd to fill gaps and might open the checkbook for a safety.

[packrulz]

RA'SHEDE HAGEMAN, DT, Minnesota is possibly still going to be there at 21. Strong as an ox, he can bench press 465 lbs (wow), so he fits the mold of what TT likes in lineman. Could he be our pocket collapser? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304465/article/film-room-dt-rashede-hageman-is-a-boomorbust-prospect

[woodbuck27]

If you think about it, our D was most successful when we had Pickett and Howard Green and Raji. Pretty daunting size. Now Pickett is aging/hurting and Raji is miscast.

If as it looks we have Dom capers back in 2014.

If he's going to run a 3 - 4 Base 'D'; Dom Capers had better place his accents on the '3' of the " 3 - 4".

Ohh Dear . :grin:

Being a Packer fan means acceptance for now...... later....... something ...... else.

[Cheesehead Craig]

i think its official

we have the 21st pick

i want cj mosely, we need a fast tough MLB

trade up if you have to
I'm liking this guy too. The fact that he has very good pass coverage skills and that he had a great game vs A&M and Manziel shows he can play vs those mobile QBs that kill us too often. Love the quickness and overall speed.

[Striker]

RA'SHEDE HAGEMAN, DT, Minnesota is possibly still going to be there at 21. Strong as an ox, he can bench press 465 lbs (wow), so he fits the mold of what TT likes in lineman. Could he be our pocket collapser? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304465/article/film-room-dt-rashede-hageman-is-a-boomorbust-prospect

A number of people are projecting Hageman around the Packers pick.

If he's BPA, go for it, but a safety/linebacker should be the priority.

[MadScientist]

A number of people are projecting Hageman around the Packers pick.

If he's BPA, go for it, but a safety/linebacker should be the priority.

With Raji likely gone and Jolly possibly unable to return and Pickett aging, I'd put DT over ILB. Safety is a high priority, unless they can find a Eugene Robinson on the street.

I worry about 'Boom or Bust' DL guys, we've had too many fall in the bust category.

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for me, with the scheme we run, i think its a massive waste to spend high draft picks on d-linemen

look at our high round picks

raji-bust
neal-bust as a lineman who knows as a LB
worthy- looking like a possible bust
datone- not a good first year

now lets look at the guys who have played well

jolly- 6th round
cj wilson- 7th round
boyd- much better first year then jones- 5th
mike daniels-4th

and the only other guy on our line was a free agent signing

see a pattern?

stick to the mid to late round fat ugly guys who didn't get all the glory in college. those are the guys we need

[mraynrand]

Is there a point to being that big if you don't have the run defense results to show for it? Because in the end it splits you D line group, diminishes death and reduces the pass rush.

Anything that diminishes death is probably a good thing. But, big lineman aren't necessarily good, especially if thy are on IR (Jolly), have a bad leg (Pickett), or are generally lazy/miscast (Raji).

Packers probably need to bring in an effective fatty run stopper in FA, and another from the draft. If the current group doesn't contain enough guys to generate pass rush on obvious passing downs, then they are out of luck, because they drafted enough of 'em.

I like the Hageman guy from MN. Guy can get some serious push, even against powerhouses like NDSU.

[woodbuck27]

for me, with the scheme we run, i think its a massive waste to spend high draft picks on d-linemen

look at our high round picks

raji-bust
neal-bust as a lineman who knows as a LB
worthy- looking like a possible bust
datone- not a good first year

now lets look at the guys who have played well

jolly- 6th round
cj wilson- 7th round
boyd- much better first year then jones- 5th
mike daniels-4th

and the only other guy on our line was a free agent signing

see a pattern?

stick to the mid to late round fat ugly guys who didn't get all the glory in college. those are the guys we need

Yup Draft big guy OL ie @ Tackle in early rounds.

Otherwise go skill and Round 1-3 picks.

Dom Capers can ensure that any Big Man fits right in and on rotation in on our 2-4-5 Base Defense.

It's too bad that Dom can't simply march a sack of potatoes out there. Potatoes are still relatively cheap.

Don't get uptight ... It's ALL RIGHT ... Out of sight !?

[packrulz]

The Senior Bowl is Jan. 25th on NFL network, which I don't get, but I hope some rats who do can check it out. Badger players like Aberderris, Boreland, and White will be there, and other big name players like C. J. Mosley, Ra'Shede Hageman, Jordan Matthews, Terrance Brooks, Aaron Donald, will be playing for scouts. http://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites.php?position=&conference=&s_id=Any

[Teamcheez1]

I saw on ESPN that over 100 underclassmen will end up declaring for the draft, the largest number in years. That, coupled with the regular senior class, leaves a lot of options,

We should be able to draft an impact payer in each of the first three rounds.

[Pugger]

for me, with the scheme we run, i think its a massive waste to spend high draft picks on d-linemen

look at our high round picks

raji-bust
neal-bust as a lineman who knows as a LB
worthy- looking like a possible bust
datone- not a good first year

now lets look at the guys who have played well

jolly- 6th round
cj wilson- 7th round
boyd- much better first year then jones- 5th
mike daniels-4th

and the only other guy on our line was a free agent signing

see a pattern?

stick to the mid to late round fat ugly guys who didn't get all the glory in college. those are the guys we need

We haven't seen enough of Worthy to declare him a possible bust just yet. I agree, Datone is like many D linemen and he just might show us why he was a #1 pick in 2014. Lord knows what happened to Raji. I find his plummeting play disturbing and disappointing. :-(

[pbmax]

That is one of the interesting questions about Capers D. He goes Super Size on his lineman to stop the run and protect the LBs on early or obvious run downs. Forget McGinn's offseason non-sense, when healthy the packers base D line is one of the biggest in the League. But that has not made the team consistently more effective.

Is there a point to being that big if you don't have the run defense results to show for it? Because in the end it splits you D line group, diminishes death and reduces the pass rush.

Now that's a typo!

EDIT: Should be depth

[mraynrand]

I saw on ESPN that over 100 underclassmen will end up declaring for the draft, the largest number in years. That, coupled with the regular senior class, leaves a lot of options,

We should be able to draft an impact payer in each of the first three rounds.

You can really get some lower round gems with so many underclassmen. The risk is higher, but the reward can be even higher, since some of these guys just will not be ready in the fall, but might be outstanding in another year or so. The downside is that too many of these guys have topped out as juniors and will not progress. Finley comes to mind as an example of the former, even though he declared after his sophomore year (redshirt freshman) (and I guess that's no longer allowed, right?)

Will Ted pick a gem? probably

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You can really get some lower round gems with so many underclassmen. The risk is higher, but the reward can be even higher, since some of these guys just will not be ready in the fall, but might be outstanding in another year or so. The downside is that too many of these guys have topped out as juniors and will not progress. Finley comes to mind as an example of the former, even though he declared after his sophomore year (redshirt freshman) (and I guess that's no longer allowed, right?)

Will Ted pick a gem? probably

you have to be 3 years removed from high school. so if fin came out after his soph year and he was reshirted, then he would be 3 years out of high schools

manziel is in the exact same position

[packrulz]

One guy that I find intriguing is Lamarcus Joyner, S, Florida State, he's small, 5'8", but is a very physical player, which the Packers soft D needs desperately, watch the tape, he hits like a truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1Ug-aoXd4
He's a good blitzer too: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308431/article/florida-state-db-lamarcus-joyner-offers-unrivaled-versatility
He's projected to be a 2nd round pick.

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One guy that I find intriguing is Lamarcus Joyner, S, Florida State, he's small, 5'8", but is a very physical player, which the Packers soft D needs desperately, watch the tape, he hits like a truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1Ug-aoXd4
He's a good blitzer too: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308431/article/florida-state-db-lamarcus-joyner-offers-unrivaled-versatility
He's projected to be a 2nd round pick.


he would be eaten alive by chicago and detroits WR's

theres talk that he might have to convert toCB because 5'8 is just too damn small for a safety

calvin pryor out of loisville is intriguing to me, the guy was never asked to cover anyone in college, but othr then that he has all the tools you'd want

[Striker]

he would be eaten alive by chicago and detroits WR's

theres talk that he might have to convert toCB because 5'8 is just too damn small for a safety

calvin pryor out of loisville is intriguing to me, the guy was never asked to cover anyone in college, but othr then that he has all the tools you'd want

Plus he wouldn't be very useful with covering those big athletic TEs that are becoming more and more common today.

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Plus he wouldn't be very useful with covering those big athletic TEs that are becoming more and more common today.

yeah a 5'8 safety covering a 6'6 TE is a pretty big mismatch

on the other hand, pryor is 6'2ish

[denverYooper]

TT is at the Shrine game practices scoping out DBs:

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey 28m
Ted Thompson is here...alway see him at the Senior Bowl. Don't know if I've ever seen him here before. Positioned to was defensive backs

[smuggler]

Joyner is not only small, but he's a headhunter, exactly the kind of safety to avoid in the draft. The shit he does in college is illegal in the pros, so he'd not only have the disadvantage of being a midget, but also have to completely reinvent his style of play. No thanks.

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TT is at the Shrine game practices scoping out DBs:

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey 28m
Ted Thompson is here...alway see him at the Senior Bowl. Don't know if I've ever seen him here before. Positioned to was defensive backs

ok then. lets take a look at who TT might be looking at





EAST
SAF 10 Tre Boston 6'1" 190 North Carolina
SAF 17 A.J. Marshall 6'0" 190 Wake Forest
SAF 29 Hakeem Smith 6'2" 188 Louisville
SAF 12 Dezmen Southward 6'2" 214 Wisconsin (INJ)
SAF 14 Jemea Thomas 5'10" 195 Georgia Tech

WEST
SAF 3 Alden Darby 5'11" 195 Arizona State
SAF 8 Daytawion Lowe 5'11" 205 Oklahoma State
SAF 1 Sean Parker 5'10" 195 Washington
SAF 9 Daniel Sorensen 6'2" 208 BYU
SAF 21 Brock Vereen 6'0" 202 Minnesota

[run pMc]

TT is at the Shrine game practices scoping out DBs:

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey 28m
Ted Thompson is here...alway see him at the Senior Bowl. Don't know if I've ever seen him here before. Positioned to was defensive backs

Hopefully his next draft pick at Safety works out better than McMillian. Anyone know anything about the guys red listed?

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Hopefully his next draft pick at Safety works out better than McMillian. Anyone know anything about the guys red listed?

according to one of my main sites for draft info, this doesn't look like its the cream of the crop

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014S.php

they have tre boston as the 5th best safety in the draft, hakeem smith as #13, alan darby as 15, sean parker at 19, and southward at 25

so, exactly the type of guys TT would draft in the later rounds to fill our biggest need

[denverYooper]

Hopefully his next draft pick at Safety works out better than McMillian. Anyone know anything about the guys red listed?

The kid from Wisconsin is listed as injured, so they'll probably take him.

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The kid from Wisconsin is listed as injured, so they'll probably take him.

fits right in

he's use to the weather and he knows how to be hurt, sign him up

[pbmax]

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline 41m
Dez Southward/S/Wisconsin not at the Shrine Game as he'll be playing next week in the Senior Bowl.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1919983-2014-nfl-draft-surveying-the-dream-fit-for-every-team/page/13

Draft Position: 21

Dream Fit: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

" He has great vision ...and can read a quarterback's eyes to make a quick break on the ball. He has the speed to make up ground in the secondary .... a physical, sure tackler who can make plays at the line of scrimmage."

[woodbuck27]

Who's off the board first @ the QB position?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/01/texans-bill-obrien-just-beginning-to-evaluate-johnny-manziel/

Texans’ Bill O’Brien just beginning to evaluate Johnny Manziel

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 6:45 PM ... By: Ultimate Texans in 2013 season, Houston Texans, NFL draft

Comment woodbuck27:

The Houston Texans scored the second fewest points in the NFL and the QB position is getting much of the blame.

Once upon a time franchise QB, Matt Schaub, had an interception returned for a touchdown in an NFL record four straight games.

Schaub's replacement, on and off, Case Keenum never won a game this past season. "


" That ain't a workin' ..." Dire Straits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPjxz4LGak

Dire Straits - Money For Nothing (Live At Knebworth)

Post @ Packerrats with dire Straits LIVE @ Knebworth ... Enjoying the whole concert:

http://store.eagle-rock.com/title/live-at-knebworth-1990-parts-i-ii-and-iii/

An amazing band. :-)


It looks very likely that the Texans will be drafting @ QB with their No. 1 overall pick.

Which of leading candidates will they elect to make the NO. 1 overall pick?

I've noticed of ** the three present leading candidates for first QB off the board. That Johnny "Mr. Football" Manziel is getting a lot of attention and LOVE of late. Is Johnny Manziel moving forward to be the consensus overall NO.1 Draft pick?

He might blow any serious thought of that "to HELL in a New Your minute", with one of his little antics hitting TMZ.

** Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville and Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M and Blake Bortles, UCF.

Who goes off the board at QB first and to which team?

Houston needs a QB:

Newly hired Texan's HC Pete " Irish" O'Brian has only watched Johnny Manziel on the tube. From reports he hasn't begun his evaluation process of this years QB class more so Johnny Manziel to any degree of depth.

Will the Texans Head Coach and Company select a certainly dynamic but undersized QB who has risen so suddenly to the top of some early mock drafts?

I look to see if the St. Louis RAMS get any offers to trade down from the NO. 2 slot. Cleveland or Minny?

Minny? That move will be a costly one from the NO. 8 slot to No. 2.

How costly? Which Trade Value Chart are we @ Packerrats going to rely on in this 2014 draft?

Which one does Ted Thompson and Company use?

Cleveland is picking at No. 4 and has QB needs as "Weeden" may get "weeded" ... OUT.

Are the Cleveland Browns the AFC equivalent to the NFC Detroit Lions or ... is it possible ...worse ?!

Changes @ the HC position will fix it all. You simply have to believe if your a Browns or Lions fan.

At least " the growing pains again Cleveland Browns" are waiting ... waiting patiently for this seasons playoff picture to clear. They may smartly wait until after Super Bowl XLVIII to select their new Head coach.

Enjoy some "Red Hot Chili Peppers" .... Kick It !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUKcNNmywk

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication [Official Music Video]

:wow: Almost 90 Million Hits !! :wow:

That deserves this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyziWtkfBw

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop [Official Music Video]

Back to football:

The Cleveland BROWNS waiting until after the Super Bowl to get their HC?

Is that a good idea? Who's starving to go there? Will he be the new Bill Belichick?

[denverYooper]

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix


Keep it in FYI

[mraynrand]

Keep it in FYI

Ha Ha!

[pbmax]

Just remember this when going Ha-Ha over the draft. Usually people dislike Ted's drafts. The one universally loved my media and fans? 2012.

That is the draft people are now killing Thompson over since they believe that draft is killing the Packers.

I hope Ted trades out of the first and takes Greg Jennings II in the 2nd round.

[denverYooper]

FWIW, Draftek has the Packers taking a WR:

DraftTek ‏@Drafttek 27m
#NFLdraft sim #Packers Picks:
1- WR Matthews
2- SS Bailey
3- LT Mewhort

I think they just use an algorithm to make picks, at least for a while.

[pbmax]

FWIW, Draftek has the Packers taking a WR:

DraftTek ‏@Drafttek 27m
#NFLdraft sim #Packers Picks:
1- WR Matthews
2- SS Bailey
3- LT Mewhort

I think they just use an algorithm to make picks, at least for a while.

For a minute I thought Mewhort was just an anagram for Newhouse trying to get another signing bonus.

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FWIW, Draftek has the Packers taking a WR:

DraftTek ‏@Drafttek 27m
#NFLdraft sim #Packers Picks:
1- WR Matthews
2- SS Bailey
3- LT Mewhort

I think they just use an algorithm to make picks, at least for a while.

i've been following draft tek for years and their picks rarely make any sense. not only have they had us picking a WR in the first for at least a month now, but they're saying that pick would be a pretty big reach

and i hate the fact that its a WR from USC. NEVER DRAFT A WR IN ROUND 1 FROM USC

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also, since we're in the draft thread

what kind of safety do we need?

i've seen a lot of sites and posters saying we need a SS.

morgan burnett was a SS when we had collins, and i think moved to FS after collins got hurt. and he's sucked hard at FS every since

so do we need a SS and keep burnett at the safety spot where he sucks. or do we draft a real FS and move burnett back to where he looked average?

or does it even matter?

to me, we need a playmaker, thats a FS in my mind

[Joemailman]

also, since we're in the draft thread

what kind of safety do we need?

i've seen a lot of sites and posters saying we need a SS.

morgan burnett was a SS when we had collins, and i think moved to FS after collins got hurt. and he's sucked hard at FS every since

so do we need a SS and keep burnett at the safety spot where he sucks. or do we draft a real FS and move burnett back to where he looked average?

or does it even matter?

to me, we need a playmaker, thats a FS in my mind

A SS can certainly be a playmaker. See Leroy Butler. I'd rather see Burnett at SS, which is probably what TT envisioned since Collins was only 26 or 27 when he drafted Burnett. OR maybe the idea is for the 2 safeties to be interchangeable. The Packers need playmakers on defense no matter where they line up.

Ha-Ha and Pryor re both listed as FS.

[smuggler]

Draftek is ridiculous. Our last three WRs picked in the first round?

JAMES LOFTON
STERLING SHARPE
JAVON WALKER

Pretty fucking awesome players. None drafted by Thompson.

Speaking of which, Lofton was the most recent Packer first rounder (1978) to be inducted in the HoF. The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

[pbmax]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66785894/notable-nfl-prospects-at-the-east-west-shrine-game


Gives a shout-out for better than expected Badger Beau Allen.

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people in tampa should be ashamed

thats one of the worst looking domed fields i've ever seen

[woodbuck27]

i've been following draft tek for years and their picks rarely make any sense. not only have they had us picking a WR in the first for at least a month now, but they're saying that pick would be a pretty big reach

and i hate the fact that its a WR from USC. NEVER DRAFT A WR IN ROUND 1 FROM USC

I found their alignment of players to NFL teams is seemingly off when you do a comparison to other draft sites.

I liked the way the site is designed. I don't recall discovering much better in that regard.

It seems like such a short time ago that we last did this. Time sure flys. :-)

The East-West Shrine game is a little slow.

It's all tied up @ "13" now.

[mraynrand]

Jeff Mathews. He proved quickly that he has the strongest arm of all the quarterbacks in attendance and can make the intermediate/deep throws with zip and accuracy at an NFL level. One issue he had at Cornell was taking too long to pull the trigger and this was an issue at times this week.

sounds like the perfect backup

[HarveyWallbangers]

Draftek is ridiculous. Our last three WRs picked in the first round?

JAMES LOFTON
STERLING SHARPE
JAVON WALKER

Pretty fucking awesome players. None drafted by Thompson.

Speaking of which, Lofton was the most recent Packer first rounder (1978) to be inducted in the HoF. The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

Not really that strange. A Hall of Famer would generally have a 10-15 year career and then have to wait 5 years to get in. Most players drafted in the last 15 years that are good enough to get into the Hall of Fame aren't eligible yet.

[bobblehead]

i've been following draft tek for years and their picks rarely make any sense. not only have they had us picking a WR in the first for at least a month now, but they're saying that pick would be a pretty big reach

and i hate the fact that its a WR from USC. NEVER DRAFT A WR IN ROUND 1 FROM USC

Also never fight a land war in asia. INCONCEIVABLE!!

[bobblehead]

Draftek is ridiculous. Our last three WRs picked in the first round?

JAMES LOFTON
STERLING SHARPE
JAVON WALKER

Pretty fucking awesome players. None drafted by Thompson.

Speaking of which, Lofton was the most recent Packer first rounder (1978) to be inducted in the HoF. The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

Holy moly. Talk about an argument for trading out of the first round.

[Joemailman]

There are 96 underclassmen in this draft. The most ever, making this a deep draft. This would be the kind of draft where you would want to trade down if you can find a buyer.

[woodbuck27]

Holy moly. Talk about an argument for trading out of the first round.

OR:

Legitimately or fairly questioning a GM and his Scout-Draft Team's "competence" in actually spoting and securing legitimate Round 1 talent.

ie Ted Thompson and his team is having some difficulty or is that simply relegated to bad luck?

First order of the day for TT and Company in this draft. Draft tough MEN.

Try on the "Nice Guy's Finish Last" motto for a couple of years.

I don't mean bring in border line psycho's and morally corrupt "no brain" dirt bag's. That extreme is fraught with obvious impending disaster.

I mean:

Select with a PRIMARY FOCUS ONLY PROSPECTS that have demonstrated "Farvesque Toughness"; and the focus of what it takes to dress for football games week in and week out.

We need more Eddie Lacy's.

We need more David Bakhtiari's.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

Is that really significant? To be a HOF'er, a guy has to pretty much play at least 10 years, most play longer, then wait five years after retirement before being elected to the Hall. Not too many guys make it in until 15 years or more after they were drafted. Are there even very many who started after 1996 that are in the Hall already, regardless of their draft status? (I don't know and am too lazy to look this morning.)

[Bretsky]

Holy moly. Talk about an argument for trading out of the first round.


Our last few first round draft picks appear to the the argument for trading out

[Joemailman]

Our last few first round draft picks appear to the the argument for trading out

Packers 1st and 2nd round picks since 2010:

1st round:

Brian Bulaga
Derek Sherrod
Nick Perry
Datone Jones

2nd Round:

Mike Neal
Randall Cobb
Jerel Worthy
Casey Hayward
Eddie Lacy

2 things stand out. One is that they've gotten more from their 2nd round picks than 1st round picks. The other is the incredible number of games missed by these players. Bulaga, Sherrod, Perry, Neal, Cobb, Worthy and Hayward haveall either missed entire seasons, or majority of a season.

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Draftek is ridiculous. Our last three WRs picked in the first round?

JAMES LOFTON
STERLING SHARPE
JAVON WALKER

Pretty fucking awesome players. None drafted by Thompson.

Speaking of which, Lofton was the most recent Packer first rounder (1978) to be inducted in the HoF. The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

well its gonna be 27 years, thes the time in between when we drafted lofton and then a-rod, who is the first real candidate we've had since 78

the more shocking thing to be is the lacl of pro bowlers out of those picks. we've had 28 first round picks between 1978 ans 2005 (not counting those years)

5 pro bowlers

bruce clark (and he never played for us cause we sucked so bad, nice waste of the #4 pick)
brent fullwood
sterling sharpe
bubba franks
javon walker

thats not all that impressive of a list either

only one of them (sharpe) is even in the packer HOF

[woodbuck27]

well its gonna be 27 years, thes the time in between when we drafted lofton and then a-rod, who is the first real candidate we've had since 78

the more shocking thing to be is the lacl of pro bowlers out of those picks. we've had 28 first round picks between 1978 ans 2005 (not counting those years)

5 pro bowlers

bruce clark (and he never played for us cause we sucked so bad, nice waste of the #4 pick)
brent fullwood
sterling sharpe
bubba franks
javon walker

thats not all that impressive of a list either

only one of them (sharpe) is even in the packer HOF

Yea...so continuing to fail there can be passed off as ...so ... and ... so what's your point...what's new!?

Does such ever suck.

We Green Bay Packer fans (certainly us here); offer so much to psyche up for the DRAFT.

Many Rats really give errrr and really ........... what're we hoping for ?

[pbmax]

Draftek is ridiculous. Our last three WRs picked in the first round?

JAMES LOFTON
STERLING SHARPE
JAVON WALKER

Pretty fucking awesome players. None drafted by Thompson.

Speaking of which, Lofton was the most recent Packer first rounder (1978) to be inducted in the HoF. The most recent first rounder to get in was Johnathan Ogden (1996).

That's nearly twenty years without a first-rounder panning out into a HoF. :C

Favre was obtained for a first round pick.

Rodgers could be headed there as well. 20 years of terrible (72-92) kinda puts a gap in the pipeline.

[woodbuck27]

Favre was obtained for a first round pick.

Rodgers could be headed there as well. 20 years of terrible (72-92) kinda puts a gap in the pipeline.

Those sensational Packer leaders don't count as their obvious.

Bart Starr is like Zeus ( King of the Gods and Ruler of Mount Olympus)

Favre is like Ares (The GOD of War)

Rodgers is like Apollo (The GOD of Light, Knowledge, and Healing...and do we ever need him to deliver on that right now.)

[mraynrand]

Those sensational Packer leaders don't count as their obvious.

Bart Starr is like Zeus ( King of the Gods and Ruler of Mount Olympus)

Favre is like Ares (The GOD of War)

Rodgers is like Apollo (The GOD of Light, Knowledge, and Healing...and do we ever need him to deliver on that right now.)

Matt Flynn is like the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[smuggler]

Sharpe is a borderline HoFer, but I sort of doubt he'll ever sneak in. He most likely would have been in if not for the neck issue.

[packrulz]

There are 96 underclassmen in this draft. The most ever, making this a deep draft. This would be the kind of draft where you would want to trade down if you can find a buyer.I think TT is in a sweet spot in the draft, I'd be pissed if he traded down. There should be 4 QB's and 4 OT's taken ahead of the Pack, this should cause some stud players to slip, like Mosley, Nix, HaHa, Pryor, Ebron, Lee, Hageman, Evans, and others. I hope he stays put.

[Joemailman]

I think TT is in a sweet spot in the draft, I'd be pissed if he traded down. There should be 4 QB's and 4 OT's taken ahead of the Pack, this should cause some stud players to slip, like Mosley, Nix, HaHa, Pryor, Ebron, Lee, Hageman, Evans, and others. I hope he stays put.

But wouldn't this be the argument for trading down? If he can trade down and still get one of those guys, why wouldn't he? I'm not talking about trading down 20 spots. But if he could trade down 8-10 spots to pick up a 3rd and still get one of those guys, I think that would be a good move.

[smuggler]

Depends on the evaluations and the teams between, of course. If you say you've got 8 guys you're seriously considering and two of them are gone by the time you pick, if you trade back 8 spots, they could all conceivably be off the board by the time you pick again. If they're really the 6 best players, they probably would be.

[run pMc]

But wouldn't this be the argument for trading down? If he can trade down and still get one of those guys, why wouldn't he? I'm not talking about trading down 20 spots. But if he could trade down 8-10 spots to pick up a 3rd and still get one of those guys, I think that would be a good move.

I'd be ok with TT trading down a few spots to pick up an extra pick. They have 17 FA's and aren't going to keep all of them, and you know TT isn't going hog-wild in the FA market.

[Striker]

I'd be ok with TT trading down a few spots to pick up an extra pick. They have 17 FA's and aren't going to keep all of them, and you know TT isn't going hog-wild in the FA market.

I'd be okay with trading down as well, as long as it picks up an additional second round pick with maybe a fourth as well.

But, this is a draft where they can stand pat and fill any number of holes as well.

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 1h
Somewhere around 35 of the 98 underclassmen entered in this draft won't get drafted, scout says.

[woodbuck27]

Sharpe is a borderline HoFer, but I sort of doubt he'll ever sneak in. He most likely would have been in if not for the neck issue.

Sterling Sharpe is now filed in "the Forgotten Drawer".

That man was very possibly headed for the very top of all NFL receivers.

The memory of losing him. That exact moment of realizing the seriousness of that down as a Green Bay Packer; the impending result that loss would mean for the Packers:

A sickening memory for me and as well I expect for many members here that experienced that.

[mraynrand]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 1h
Somewhere around 35 of the 98 underclassmen entered in this draft won't get drafted, scout says.

That's your crop of rookie FAs that TT will pore over for the next Shields, etc. etc. Raw underclassman, confidence in your coaching; take risk on measurables and see what develops. Then let go four years later in FA and get 3rd round pick!

[pbmax]

That's your crop of rookie FAs that TT will pour over for the next Shields, etc. etc. Raw underclassman, confidence in your coaching; take risk on measurables and see what develops. Then let go four years later in FA and get 3rd round pick!

FOOLPROOF!

[denverYooper]

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey 1h

Quote of the day: "Let's roll, yo"--Ted Thompson to his scouts. I'm dead serious, that happened. It was glorious.

[pbmax]

Michael Tanier ‏@MikeTanier 1m
Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt. Circle and underline the name. #SeniorBowl

Everyone thought he had a monster day.

[pbmax]

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey 1h

Quote of the day: "Let's roll, yo"--Ted Thompson to his scouts. I'm dead serious, that happened. It was glorious.

+1 Ted (we know you are reading)

[BZnDallas]

Michael Tanier ‏@MikeTanier 1m
Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt. Circle and underline the name. #SeniorBowl

Everyone thought he had a monster day.

Projected round for A. Donald? Anybody? Anybody? If he's a mid round guy then we can draft S snd LB early

[Joemailman]

Projected round for A. Donald? Anybody? Anybody? If he's a mid round guy then we can draft S snd LB early

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737460/aaron-donald 2nd round pick. Good player, but sounds like Mike Daniels. Not that that's bad, but maybe not what TT is looking for.

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Projected round for A. Donald? Anybody? Anybody? If he's a mid round guy then we can draft S snd LB early

2nd

6'0, 285 seems kinda small for what we need

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he was the ncaa defensive player of the year, so its not like he's exactly flying under the radar

won the Bronko Nagurski Trophy this year

[pbmax]

He was beating up Cyril Richardson apparently.

[pittstang5]

Michael Tanier ‏@MikeTanier 1m
Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt. Circle and underline the name. #SeniorBowl

Everyone thought he had a monster day.

I've watched alot of Aaron Donald. He's a one man wrecking crew. Measurables aside, Aaron Donald is Aaron Kampman times 10. His motor is non-stop. He got a alot of double teams and unfortunately didn't have much help. Saw him get frustrated a couple times with the double teams - He'd get a brain fart and do something stupid and cost the defense 15 yards.

He's only 6'0' but he was fun to watch. Comparison to Mike Daniels is pretty accurate, but I think Daniels is taller. I'd guess he'd be a situational inside rush guy for a 4-3 team. Don't see TT taking him at all.

[Joemailman]

He was beating up Cyril Richardson apparently.

http://prod.images.packers.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/PACKERS/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2014/01-January/temp140120-practice-day-1-018--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720

[pbmax]

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 54m
Aaron Donald is a twitched up dude! The Geno Atkins comparisons were flying all over the place in my talks with personnel friends.

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 57m
I think I'm the only 1 that's riding the fence on Chris Borland. Heard "I love that dude" a bunch and "good college player, bad pro" a bunch

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
ASU DT Will Sutton looked very lethargic and heavy legged.

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
Virginia DT Brent Urban plays too high but he's got very strong hands. Looks like a 3-4 DE.

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
La Tech DT Justin Ellis had a good week at the East/West Game and he had an excellent practice today. Also, he dropped 9 pounds in a week!

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 1h
Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford gets overpowered at times but he has an explosive get off in pass situations. Nice inside counter move too

[run pMc]

I've watched alot of Aaron Donald. He's a one man wrecking crew. Measurables aside, Aaron Donald is Aaron Kampman times 10. His motor is non-stop. He got a alot of double teams and unfortunately didn't have much help. Saw him get frustrated a couple times with the double teams - He'd get a brain fart and do something stupid and cost the defense 15 yards.

He's only 6'0' but he was fun to watch. Comparison to Mike Daniels is pretty accurate, but I think Daniels is taller. I'd guess he'd be a situational inside rush guy for a 4-3 team. Don't see TT taking him at all.

I thought Donald won a bunch of awards this year...sounded like he was a monster. He'll go to a 4-3 team like Tampa with Lovie where they want guys to rush. If he lasts past pick 40 I'd be surprised (unless there's a medical red flag).

[pbmax]

Donald was measured at 6' 1" and 288.

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here's the type of guys i would like us to be looking fo

from http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Aaron-Donald-provides-Eric-Fisher-moment-at-Senior-Bowl/5f16e14e-e4d8-43ba-8ebb-e364204d327f


Georgia Tech’s Jeremiah Attaochu is a player to watch. He was a premier pass rusher as a defensive end but was moved in 2013 to outside linebacker, which is where he might fit best in the NFL, in a 3-4. He came on strong in the second half of the season and he looked forceful on Monday.

heres a guy who was a great pass rusher at DE, but for his senior year he got moved to OLB. here is the type of guy we are looking for, but he already has the first year of his transition under his belt

[pbmax]

Here's a DE for you red:


Ra’Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota (6’6, 318 lbs)

Ra’Shede Hageman is built with long arms and a naturally long frame, and through two days of practice has used both to his advantage. Through the use of truly explosive first step quickness, he converts quickness to power and runs through contact, both on the interior and on the edge. He has also shown a variety of pass rush moves and good hand technique. Displaying great functional strength and playing with outstanding leverage, he has been one of the most dominant defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl thus far.

http://miketanier.sportsonearthblog.com/russ-landes-senior-bowl-notebook-day-2/

[red]

Here's a DE for you red:



http://miketanier.sportsonearthblog.com/russ-landes-senior-bowl-notebook-day-2/

yeah i've been keeping an eye on him

i never saw him play, but i'm a bit worried about his work ethic. i've seen a couple times when he might be a bit lazy

heres a new 7 round mock

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/green-bay-packers-way-too-early-7-round-145800743--nfl.html

they have us picking this guy in the third

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=124253&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT

now that is a big dude

[Guiness]

yeah i've been keeping an eye on him

i never saw him play, but i'm a bit worried about his work ethic. i've seen a couple times when he might be a bit lazy

heres a new 7 round mock

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/green-bay-packers-way-too-early-7-round-145800743--nfl.html

they have us picking this guy in the third

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=124253&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT

now that is a big dude

6'7" DT? Have to think he's giving up a lot of leverage

[woodbuck27]

Michael Tanier ‏@MikeTanier 1m
Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt. Circle and underline the name. #SeniorBowl

Everyone thought he had a monster day.

Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jeremy-fowler/24378609/cbssportscom-defensive-player-of-the-year-pitts-aaron-Donald

CBSSports.com Defensive Player of the Year: Pitt's Aaron Donald

December 17, 2013 8:25 am ET

http://nflspinzone.com/2014/01/21/pitt-dt-aaron-donald-standing-senior-bowl-practices/

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/241285821.html

Senior Bowl profile: Pitt DT Aaron Donald

Player: Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald

Senior Bowl weigh-in: 6’0, 288 pounds; hands – 9 7/8; arm – 31 ¾; wing – 77 3/8

Senior stats (13 games): 59 tackles, 28.5 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, four forced fumbles (ACC Defensive Player of the Year)


Donald has been knocked as undersized at his position....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Apparently, OT Billy Turner of North Dakota State has been impressing at the Senior Bowl. Not sure what happened to NDSU's CB Marcus Williams. He was projected as a 3rd round pick or so if he came out last year. He returned to school, but apparently his stock has dropped. I haven't heard much about him this year.

[smuggler]

Not sure on that, Harv. Evidently, he's projected as a 7th rounder or a UDFA

[red]

some tid bits from one of my go-to draft sites

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014rumors.php


The Green Bay Packers have their defense as the priority of their offseason. It sounds as though Green Bay is more inclined to draft for defense early rather than offensive players like a new tight end or offensive line help. Sources with the Packers say they want to improve the speed and playmaking ability on their defense. Getting their defense more dynamic and faster is a top priority of their offseason according to sources.


The Packers are also interested in Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy. Green Bay has some edge rushers in Clay Matthews and Nick Perry, but both players have dealt with injuries. Murphy (6-5, 252) fits the mold as an edge rusher in their defense as he led the nation with 15 sacks last season. If Murphy falls to their second-round pick, that would be ideal for Green Bay.

Green Bay isn't the only team that is scouting Murphy hard. Murphy is also on the radar for the San Francisco 49ers. The 49ers don't have a big need at the position, but with a plethora of picks, they could stand to get some pass rushing depth and that isn't a bad idea considering Aldon Smith's situation.

and its time to remind people

ITS SMOKE AND MIRRORS TIME IN THE NFL

its all just rumors from now till the draft

[red]

packers might be interested in tajh boyd

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/22/tajh-boyd-not-drawing-rave-reviews-at-senior-bowl/


Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net recently shared an observation from an unnamed Packers scout regarding former Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd: “[B]ased on what I’m seeing Tajh Boyd is not draftable.”

[run pMc]

ITS SMOKE AND MIRRORS TIME IN THE NFL
LOL so true.


Sources with the Packers say they want to improve the speed and playmaking ability on their defense.
Hopefully this is NOT smoke and mirrors -- they really lacked both of these in 2013.

[denverYooper]

packers might be interested in tajh boyd

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/22/tajh-boyd-not-drawing-rave-reviews-at-senior-bowl/

Lol. I thought the same. They're hoping to draft him in the 6th.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not sure on that, Harv. Evidently, he's projected as a 7th rounder or a UDFA

Who? Williams? His stock fell off this year. He had a pretty ordinary year. There was talk of him leaving school last year because he was thought to be a mid round pick. This year, I don't think he even got invited to any All-Star games. Turner looks like he'll go solidly in the mid rounds. A couple of scouts mentioned he could go in the top 100. It's early though.

[smuggler]

^ Yeah, I was referring to Williams.

The 49ers have an extra 2nd rounder, no 5th rounder, and like five 7th rounders. That's before any comp picks are distributed. I'm sure they'll go with BPA, but I wouldn't exactly say they have a 'plethora' of picks.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/24/5339316/2014-nfl-draft-top-200-big-board

2014 NFL Draft top 200 big board.

By: Matthew Fairburn  @MatthewFairburn on Jan 24 2014, 10:08a

14. C.J. Mosley | 6'2, 232 pounds | Middle linebacker | Alabama
15. Jace Amaro | 6'5, 260 pounds | Tight end | Texas Tech *
16. Cyrus Kouandjio | 6'5, 312 pounds | Offensive tackle | Alabama *

17. Eric Ebron | 6'4, 245 pounds | Tight end | North Carolina *
18. Jason Verrett | 5'10, 176 pounds | Cornerback | TCU

19. Ra'Shede Hageman | 6'6, 311 pounds | Defensive tackle | Minnesota
20. Calvin Pryor | 6'2, 208 pounds | Safety | Louisville *
21. Taylor Lewan | 6'7, 310 pounds | Offensive tackle | Michigan
22. Darqueze Dennard | 5'11, 197 pounds | Cornerback | Michigan State
23. Odell Beckham Jr. | 6'0, 193 pounds | Wide receiver | LSU *

24. Ryan Shazier | 6'2, 222 pounds | Outside linebacker | Ohio State *
25. Antonio Richardson | 6'6, 332 pounds | Offensive tackle | Tennessee *
26. Xavier Su'a-Filo | 6'3, 305 pounds | Guard | UCLA *

GO TT GO ! GO PACKERS GO !!

[red]

here's a reason to draft players out of alabama

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/25/fluker-says-alabama-practices-were-like-an-nfl-game/

they practice a lot harder then what NFL teams are allowed to do these days

this also makes a good argument for drafting senior players. the guys have gotten more contact practices in their final year of college then they would get in 5 or even 10 years of practices in the pros

[woodbuck27]

here's a reason to draft players out of alabama

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/25/fluker-says-alabama-practices-were-like-an-nfl-game/

they practice a lot harder then what NFL teams are allowed to do these days

this also makes a good argument for drafting senior players. the guys have gotten more contact practices in their final year of college then they would get in 5 or even 10 years of practices in the pros

TT has been trying to sell Packer Nation on drafting Tier Two College players and bringing in UFA's and other FA'a that just have been totally lost and getting any real shot again in the NFL. Most of these TT Guys would crash and burn in the CFL.

Nope! Ted Thompson wastes another PS and/or Roster spot ... with FA's that can't even demonstrate any natural ability to make a simple tackle. More and ore it will become Packer nation saying NO MORE ! It simply has to get right there ASAP. If Ted Thompson isn't at all concerned about bringing in decent talent to support Aaron Rodgers...?

Then what does Ted Thompson really care about Aaron Rodgers and Packer TEAM advancing to another Super Bowl under his essential leadership....under his HC's essential decision making and leadership?

Where are these Packer leaders heads? TT's way would be about as well supported by simply walking up Main Street Green Bay and looking for a solid athletic looking chap and dragging him back to Lambeau field to take a closer look. He's be wasting as much time and effort on that as bringing in the "wanna be" NFL players that he does.

Actually looking at those he drafts and that miss time after time after time...

Maybe this minimal backup plan is used to cover up the fact he's actually not that Draft SMART as some Packer fans are still deluded into being.

The real issue with TT has all to do with what I believe is a damaged ego. Thus his too often decision to simply be invisible. That he can pull of "the Howard Hughes thing" is amazing to me. He literally disappears for weeks to almost months. Is there any other GM in Pro Sports like Ted Thompson and that? TT is a total reclusive. Is that right? Don't any of you care about Ted Thompson and that strangeness?

The issue with Ted Thompson is he's out to lunch in terms of adding real strength to the Green Bay Packers. He'd rather choose a Grade F player/prospect than a Grade C- >>> D Graded prospect player; because he has in place "HIS" Draft and Development Program... that's failing before our eyes.

That some fans remain confident it will again work is like walking on thin ice with the air bubbles right before your feet.

NOT WISE !!!

Well I always have said this: You pick your direction and you mend your own lumps.

My frustration will survive TT and MM. That's what inspires me every day as a dedicated Green Bay Packer fan, :smile:

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

packers might be interested in tajh boyd

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/22/tajh-boyd-not-drawing-rave-reviews-at-senior-bowl/

http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2014-Page-2.asp

103 -22 Tajh Boyd; Clemson; 6'1" 225; QB ..... BIO

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/24/5339316/2014-nfl-draft-top-200-big-board

104. Tajh Boyd - 6'1, 225 pounds - Quarterback - Clemson

The first thing I see before I go looking in depth is his height at 6 ' - 1 " and I ask myself is that really an issue?

I'm thinking Drew Brees and who else is solid at QB in terms of QB Rating and I get another shorter QB in terms of Seattle's QB Russell Wilson.

I believe it's clear that Russell Wilson is (at this time) light years away from the pure gifts and talent of Drew Brees interms of massive yards of offense production at this time. Give him a couple of more weapons at WR and who knows about this "young Field General".

[Bretsky]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/24/5339316/2014-nfl-draft-top-200-big-board

2014 NFL Draft top 200 big board.

By: Matthew Fairburn  @MatthewFairburn on Jan 24 2014, 10:08a

14. C.J. Mosley | 6'2, 232 pounds | Middle linebacker | Alabama
15. Jace Amaro | 6'5, 260 pounds | Tight end | Texas Tech *
16. Cyrus Kouandjio | 6'5, 312 pounds | Offensive tackle | Alabama *

17. Eric Ebron | 6'4, 245 pounds | Tight end | North Carolina *
18. Jason Verrett | 5'10, 176 pounds | Cornerback | TCU

19. Ra'Shede Hageman | 6'6, 311 pounds | Defensive tackle | Minnesota
20. Calvin Pryor | 6'2, 208 pounds | Safety | Louisville *
21. Taylor Lewan | 6'7, 310 pounds | Offensive tackle | Michigan
22. Darqueze Dennard | 5'11, 197 pounds | Cornerback | Michigan State
23. Odell Beckham Jr. | 6'0, 193 pounds | Wide receiver | LSU *

24. Ryan Shazier | 6'2, 222 pounds | Outside linebacker | Ohio State *
25. Antonio Richardson | 6'6, 332 pounds | Offensive tackle | Tennessee *
26. Xavier Su'a-Filo | 6'3, 305 pounds | Guard | UCLA *

GO TT GO ! GO PACKERS GO !!


Jake Amaro at 15 and Ebron at 17 ? That board needs some updating IMO

[Bretsky]

here's a reason to draft players out of alabama

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/25/fluker-says-alabama-practices-were-like-an-nfl-game/

they practice a lot harder then what NFL teams are allowed to do these days

this also makes a good argument for drafting senior players. the guys have gotten more contact practices in their final year of college then they would get in 5 or even 10 years of practices in the pros


Makes sense; those players at Alabama may practice harder than GB as well :)

[woodbuck27]

Jake Amaro at 15 and Ebron at 17 ? That board needs some updating IMO

Amaro is ranked too high.

Picking Ebron trumps picking Amaro.

TT has that adjusted on his BIG BOARD 'of course'.

[red]

tajh boyd has to be just free falling down draft boards right now

showing no touch at all with a very low release

[Maxie the Taxi]

The big guy from Minnesota...Ra'shede Hageman...Haven't mentioned his name all game.

[woodbuck27]

tajh boyd has to be just free falling down draft boards right now

showing no touch at all with a very low release

What three players stood out in the first half to you fellas red and Maxie the Taxi?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dee Ford is MVP. I'll take Caraun Reid or Daniel McCullers.


1 Mike Davis WR 6'2" 195 Texas Big 12
1 Keith McGill DC 6'3" 205 Utah Pac-12
2 Cody Hoffman WR 6'4" 215 Brigham Young IND
2 Qua Cox DC 6'0" 185 Jackson St. FCS
3 Kyle Van Noy OLB 6'3" 245 Brigham Young IND
3 Ryan Grant WR 6'1" 191 Tulane C-USA
4 Derek Carr QB 6'3" 218 Fresno State MWC
5 Antonio Andrews RB 6'0" 211 Western Kentucky Sun Belt
6 Craig Loston S 6'2" 209 LSU SEC
7 Christian Jones ILB 6'4" 235 Florida State ACC
8 Jalen Saunders WR 5'9" 157 Oklahoma Big 12
10 Jimmy Garoppolo QB 6'2" 222 Eastern Illinois FCS
11 Chris Davis DC 5'11" 200 Auburn SEC
12 David Fales QB 6'2" 220 San Jose State MWC
13 Jemea Thomas S 5'10" 195 Georgia Tech ACC
18 Lavelle Westbrooks DC 6'0" 192 Georgia Southern FCS
20 Walt Aikens DC 6'1" 200 Liberty FCS
21 Lorenzo Taliaferro RB 6'2" 230 Coastal Carolina FCS
22 Telvin Smith OLB 6'3" 218 Florida State ACC
24 Jerick McKinnon RB 5-9 215 Georgia Southern FCS
26 Kenny Ladler S 6'1" 205 Vanderbilt SEC
29 Cody Mandell PT 6'4" 213 Alabama SEC
30 Dee Ford DE 6'2" 240 Auburn SEC
31 Terrence Brooks S 5'11" 200 Florida State ACC
35 Jay Prosch FB 6'1" 250 Auburn SEC
36 Cody Parkey PK 6'0" 190 Auburn SEC
37 Jordan Tripp OLB 6'3" 237 Montana FCS
42 Chris Smith DE 6'3" 268 Arkansas SEC
45 Jeremiah Attaochu OLB 6'3" 242 Georgia Tech ACC
50 Lamin Barrow ILB 6'2" 232 LSU SEC
52 Bryan Stork OC 6'4" 305 Florida State ACC
52 Adrian Hubbard OLB 6'6" 252 Alabama SEC
60 Gabe Jackson OG 6'4" 335 Mississippi State SEC
62 Marcus Heit LS 6'3" 244 Kansas State Big 12
64 Travis Swanson OC 6'5" 318 Arkansas SEC
65 Gabe Ikard OC 6'3" 298 Oklahoma Big 12
66 Wesley Johnson OG 6'5" 295 Vanderbilt SEC
67 Jon Halapio OG 6'3" 315 Florida SEC
70 Matt Patchan OT 6'7" 300 Boston College ACC
71 Joel Bitonio OG 6'4" 315 Nevada MWC
72 Billy Turner OT 6'6" 314 North Dakota State FCS
78 Morgan Moses OT 6'6" 335 Virginia ACC
80 Solomon Patton WR 5'9" 171 Florida SEC
83 Kevin Norwood WR 6'2" 195 Alabama SEC
86 Crockett Gillmore TE 6'6" 255 Colorado State MWC
87 Jordan Matthews WR 6'3" 206 Vanderbilt SEC
88 Arthur Lynch TE 6'5" 254 Georgia SEC
90 Will Sutton DT 6'1" 305 Arizona State Pac-12
91 Caraun Reid DT 6'1" 305 Princeton FCS
92 Deandre Coleman DT 6'5" 315 California Pac-12
98 Daniel McCullers DT 6'8" 351 Tennessee SEC
99 IK Enemkpali DE 6'1" 250 Louisiana Tech C-USA

North...

2 Nevin Lawson DC 5'10" 186 Utah State MWC
3 Logan Thomas QB 6'6" 254 Virginia Tech ACC
4 Marqueston Huff DC 6'0" 195 Wyoming MWC
5 Isaiah Lewis S 5'10" 210 Michigan State Big Ten
6 Ahmad Dixon S 6'0" 205 Baylor Big 12
9 Chris Boswell PK 6'2" 200 Rice C-USA
10 Tajh Boyd QB 6'1" 225 Clemson ACC
11 Eric Thomas WR 6'1" 209 Troy Sun Belt
13 Kirby Van Der Kamp PT 6'4" 211 Iowa State Big 12
14 Dez Southward DC 6'2" 210 Wisconsin Big Ten
15 Jimmie Ward S 5'11" 192 Northern Illinois MAC
15 Bennie Fowler WR 6'1" 212 Michigan State Big Ten
16 Michael Campanaro WR 5'11" 190 Wake Forest ACC
16 Stanley Jean-Baptiste DC 6'3" 220 Nebraska Big Ten
17 Stephen Morris QB 6'2" 218 Miami ACC
20 Deone Bucannon S 6'1" 198 Washington State Pac-12
20 James White RB 5'10" 195 Wisconsin Big Ten
23 Dontae Johnson DC 6'2" 195 North Carolina State ACC
26 Gator Hoskins TE 6'2" 244 Marshall C-USA
30 Pierre Desir DC 6'2" 206 Lindenwood Division II
33 Charles Sims RB 6'0" 213 West Virginia Big 12
34 David Fluellen RB 6'0" 215 Toledo MAC
44 Chris Borland ILB 5'11" 246 Wisconsin Big Ten
45 Christian Kirksey OLB 6'2" 235 Iowa Big Ten
46 Jonathan Brown OLB 6'1" 235 Illinois Big Ten
51 Justin Anderson ILB 6'2" 232 Louisiana Lafayette Sun Belt
55 Michael Sam OLB 6''2" 255 Missouri SEC
56 Jordan Zumwalt ILB 6'4" 235 UCLA Pac-12
58 Tyler Larsen OC 6'4" 312 Utah State MWC
59 Shamar Stephen DT 6'5" 313 Connecticut AAC
63 Tyler Ott LS 6'3" 245 Harvard Ivy League
65 Brandon Linder OG 6'6" 319 Miami ACC
68 Cyril Richardson OG 6'5" 335 Baylor Big 12
70 Weston Richburg OC 6'4" 300 Colorado State MWC
72 Zack Martin OT 6'4" 308 Notre Dame IND
74 Jack Mewhort OT 6'7" 308 Ohio State Big Ten
75 Brandon Thomas OT 6'3" 305 Clemson ACC
76 Seantrel Henderson OT 6'8" 345 Miami ACC
78 Michael Schofield OG 6'7" 304 Michigan Big Ten
79 Kadeem Edwards OG 6'3" 315 Tennessee St. FCS
82 Jeff Janis WR 6'3" 205 Saginaw Valley St. Division II
85 Ryan Hewitt FB 6'4" 245 Stanford Pac-12
86 Jacob Pedersen TE 6'5" 240 Wisconsin Big Ten
87 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE 6'7" 265 Iowa Big Ten
88 Robert Herron WR 5'10" 187 Wyoming MWC
90 Marcus Smith OLB 6'3" 252 Louisville AAC
91 DaQuan Jones DT 6'3" 318 Penn State Big Ten
92 Justin Ellis DT 6'2" 357 Louisiana Tech C-USA
93 Trent Murphy DE 6'6" 261 Stanford Pac-12
94 Will Clarke DE 6'7" 273 West Virginia Big 12
95 Kareem Martin DE 6'6" 265 North Carolina ACC
97 Aaron Donald DT 6'0" 285 Pittsburgh ACC
99 Ra'Shede Hageman DT 6'6" 311 Minnesota Big Ten

[woodbuck27]

THANKS. I've got the game recorded. I'll be checking out the prospects you liked.

98 Daniel McCullers DT 6'8" 351 Tennessee SEC

That man's a Giant.

How does he keep from getting stood up?

How did ... 10 Jimmy Garoppolo QB 6'2" 222 Eastern Illinois FCS ...look today.

He was arguably the best player in last week's East-West Shrine Game.

[Maxie the Taxi]

98 Daniel McCullers DT 6'8" 351 Tennessee SEC

That man's a Giant.

Does he keep his pad level low?

How does he keep form getting stood up?

I didn't focus on him. They did call his name several times. He's supposed to carry his weight well and be athletic given his size.

[red]

i don't know, i wasn't paying attention

dee ford was the MVP, which of course will make everyone on here say we should draft him since he's projected as a DE/OLB

but i only ever saw him play with his hand in the dirt

and he sounded like a fucking moron in his past game interview

[red]

the only thing i took from the game was the hope that the queens take tajh boyd to be their franchise QB

[Bretsky]

I listened to an interview with Ahmad Dixon from Baylor...who I'd love to see in Green n Gold...and he noted the TE from Iowa was out the toughest guy to cover out there and a very very tough matchup for any DB

[woodbuck27]

I listened to an interview with Ahmad Dixon from Baylor...who I'd love to see in Green n Gold...and he noted the TE from Iowa was out the toughest guy to cover out there and a very very tough matchup for any DB

Your referring to TE C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa and this Giant would be a handful for Ahmad Dixon @ * 6'-0" 200 lb ( Safety ) or anyone about that size or giving up 5-7 inches and 40- 65 lbs. to any NFL capable TE (receiver that can run routes).

* http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/112990/ahmad-dixon

** Ranked @ #88 **. C.J. Fiedorowicz | 6'7, 265 pounds | Tight end | Iowa

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/113836/c-j-fiedorowicz

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/500825/cj-fiedorowicz

2013 Season: 30 REC ... 299 YDS ... 6 TD

Career: 91 REC... 899 YDS ... 10 TD

Overall Ranking TOP 200** ... http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/24/5339316/2014-nfl-draft-top-200-big-board

[packrulz]

The big guy from Minnesota...Ra'shede Hageman...Haven't mentioned his name all game.
I've been checking out Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh, 6'1", 288 lbs, I would take him over Hageman if he's still there. Aaron Donald dominated the college football defensive landscape, earning the Outland Trophy, Lombardi, Nagurski, and Bednarik Awards in 2013.
01/21/2014 - 2014 Senior Bowl: 10 observations from Monday's North practice...1. DT Aaron Donald was an unstoppable force on Monday. Like his play all season, the Pitt defensive tackle was extremely quick in drills and was relentless from snap to whistle. His burst and anticipation off the snap and active energy to fight through and around blocks make him tough for any blocker to handle. Donald repeatedly victimized Baylor OG Cyril Richardson at practice, winning with leverage, hustle and fluidity that Richardson has likely never seen before on the football field. Donald's skill-set is ideal for one-on-one drills so he should shine, but the NFL team that drafts him will get a really good football player. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
OVERVIEW
Considering that he's leading the country in sacks (1.6 per game) and tackles for loss (2.4), Donald might just be the most under-appreciated NFL prospect in college football. Sure, he isn't as big as most defensive linemen, but as he demonstrated with two sacks and three tackles for loss vs. Virginia Tech and big, mobile quarterback Logan Thomas, what a stick of dynamite may lack for in size can be made up with explosiveness. (10/18/13)
ANALYSIS
Strengths: Comes off the snap like he's shot out of a cannon. His first step routinely beats opponents for immediate pressures. Has an effective arm-over swim move, though he doesn't use this often enough. His stature gives Donald the leverage advantage which he uses well to get under the pads of opponents and drive them into the backfield on bull-rushes.
Weaknesses: As with most undersized pass-rushers, when Donald's burst is contained his short arms limit his effectiveness. Donald keeps his legs churning and plays with effort, but he can get caught up in the hand-to-hand combat.

--Rob Rang
He played inside most of the time, and was often double teamed, I do wish he was bigger, but maybe they can get him in the weight room and gain some weight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3YKvx6LcBs

[Joemailman]

I've been checking out Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh, 6'1", 288 lbs, I would take him over Hageman if he's still there. Aaron Donald dominated the college football defensive landscape, earning the Outland Trophy, Lombardi, Nagurski, and Bednarik Awards in 2013.
01/21/2014 - 2014 Senior Bowl: 10 observations from Monday's North practice...1. DT Aaron Donald was an unstoppable force on Monday. Like his play all season, the Pitt defensive tackle was extremely quick in drills and was relentless from snap to whistle. His burst and anticipation off the snap and active energy to fight through and around blocks make him tough for any blocker to handle. Donald repeatedly victimized Baylor OG Cyril Richardson at practice, winning with leverage, hustle and fluidity that Richardson has likely never seen before on the football field. Donald's skill-set is ideal for one-on-one drills so he should shine, but the NFL team that drafts him will get a really good football player. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
OVERVIEW
Considering that he's leading the country in sacks (1.6 per game) and tackles for loss (2.4), Donald might just be the most under-appreciated NFL prospect in college football. Sure, he isn't as big as most defensive linemen, but as he demonstrated with two sacks and three tackles for loss vs. Virginia Tech and big, mobile quarterback Logan Thomas, what a stick of dynamite may lack for in size can be made up with explosiveness. (10/18/13)
ANALYSIS
Strengths: Comes off the snap like he's shot out of a cannon. His first step routinely beats opponents for immediate pressures. Has an effective arm-over swim move, though he doesn't use this often enough. His stature gives Donald the leverage advantage which he uses well to get under the pads of opponents and drive them into the backfield on bull-rushes.
Weaknesses: As with most undersized pass-rushers, when Donald's burst is contained his short arms limit his effectiveness. Donald keeps his legs churning and plays with effort, but he can get caught up in the hand-to-hand combat.

--Rob Rang
He played inside most of the time, and was often double teamed, I do wish he was bigger, but maybe they can get him in the weight room and gain some weight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3YKvx6LcBs

The problem though is that Donald is the same type of player as Mike Daniels. He probably can't play nose or end. Can you line him up in tandem with Daniels as the other inside rusher in nickel without teams running the ball up the gut? What the Packers really need is someone who can play nose, or someone who can play end in base and give you some push in pass rush.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings It is interesting though that CBS how has him ranked at #21 overall following the Senior Bowl. Dee Ford has moved up to #18. Hageman has dropped to #26.

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The problem though is that Donald is the same type of player as Mike Daniels. He probably can't play nose or end. Can you line him up in tandem with Daniels as the other inside rusher in nickel without teams running the ball up the gut? What the Packers really need is someone who can play nose, or someone who can play end in base and give you some push in pass rush.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings It is interesting though that CBS how has him ranked at #21 overall following the Senior Bowl. Dee Ford has moved up to #18. Hageman has dropped to #26.

awesome, that pushes guys we could actually use down a bit. hopefully both those guys have a big combine too

[woodbuck27]

i don't know, i wasn't paying attention

dee ford was the MVP, which of course will make everyone on here say we should draft him since he's projected as a DE/OLB

but i only ever saw him play with his hand in the dirt

and he sounded like a fucking moron in his past game interview

CBS RANKING:

#18 ... Dee Ford DE 3 Auburn; rSr . . . . ** 6' - 2" and 243 lbs **... 1st Round projection

Isn't he small to play DE? He looks better suited to play LBer as long as he can transition to cover, play pass protection.

I have to look at this guy. Right now there's ... a lot of names.

In a month or so we'll have a grip on it.

[Joemailman]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665025/dee-ford


Best of all, while most of his snaps due come from the three-point stance, he is occasionally asked to drop back into coverage, giving scouts evidence that he'll be able to handle coverage duties. Ford shows balance and efficient change-of-direction skills when operating in reverse, making him one to watch as a linebacker convert.

He'll be watched closely at the combine to see how he handles the agility drills.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665025/dee-ford



He'll be watched closely at the combine to see how he handles the agility drills.

Yes.

Right now (and that might change). It's one of these fellas (below) for me.

CBS Ranked (Sunday 26 Jan. 2014)

# 26 RaShede Hageman; DT 5 Minnesota; rSr ......6-6 318 ..... Proj. Rd.1-2

#27 *Calvin Pryor; FS 2 Louisville; Jr ...................6-2 208......Proj. Rd. 1-2

GO PACKERS !

[red]

CBS RANKING:

#18 ... Dee Ford DE 3 Auburn; rSr . . . . ** 6' - 2" and 243 lbs **... 1st Round projection

Isn't he small to play DE? He looks better suited to play LBer as long as he can transition to cover, play pass protection.



nope, NCAA has been pumping out these super fast, tiny, speed ends for awhile now

bruce irvin is a great example of this. seattle has found a way to get him on the field though

[woodbuck27]

nope, NCAA has been pumping out these super fast, tiny, speed ends for awhile now

bruce irvin is a great example of this. seattle has found a way to get him on the field though

Bruce Irvin, Seattle Seahawks;

http://www.seahawks.com/team/roster/Bruce-Irvin/15bebbd1-c822-4cd2-aaa0-c677b9a4faf0

Bruce Irvin ... DE #51

Height: 6' - 3" - Weight: 248

Quick Stats (2013):

TCKL = 40 ... SACK = 2.0 ... FF = 1 ... and INT = 1

[woodbuck27]

the only thing i took from the game was the hope that the queens take tajh boyd to be their franchise QB

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/green-bay-packers-reportedly-not-enamored-with-tajh-boyd

Packers Reportedly Not Enamored with Clemson’s Tajh Boyd

By: Brian Carriveau ... Jan 20, 2014

Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Packers scout "based on what I'm seeing Tahj Boyd is not draftable" ... 5:21 PM - 20 Jan 2014

Comment woodbuck27:

Oklahoma CB Aaron Colvin impressing scouts at the SB practises, shadowing receivers all over the field; had a bad break tearing his right knee ACL Tues. afternoon 21 Jan. 2014. CB Aaron Colvin needed surgery RE: agent Ken Sarnoff.

GO PACK GO !

[call_me_ishmael]

I like the Dee Brown kid from Auburn. All accounts are he can get after the passer. Would love to bring him in on 3rd downs.

[smuggler]

Colvin could be a nice redshirt pick for us if we could get him in the 5th/6th round. But, I have a feeling he will be drafted by... the 49ers

[woodbuck27]

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014-nfl-draft-packers/2014/1/27/5347574/2014-nfl-draft-packers-interested-in-pierre-desir-and-brenden-daley

2014 NFL Draft

2014 NFL Draft: Packers Interested in Pierre Desir and Brenden Daley

By Jason Hirschhorn  @JBHirschhorn on Jan 27 2014, 9:30a

(Pierre) " Desir wouldn't be the first small school defensive back the Packers have shown interest in. Green Bay spent a second-round pick on All-Pro safety Nick Collins, a product of Bethune-Cookman. After strong performances in the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl, Desir is believed to be a day-two pick."

"...the Packers have shown interest in Hawaii middle linebacker Brenden Daley.." Fr. LINK

[packrulz]

These are CBS mocks taken after the Senior Bowl. Rang has the Pack passing on both Pryor and Ha Ha, Dee Ford, Tuitt, and Aaron Donald. Brugler has the Pack passing on Pryor, Mosley, Amaro, Dee Ford, and Aaron Donald.
I guess I like Nix over Hageman, his knee injury doesn't sound real serious, and GB would be a perfect fit for him: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
Nix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8
Hageman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlOLn0cB3D4

[smuggler]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.

[red]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.

even then, i'd take him

[mraynrand]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.


Well, I'm not even sure that's a crime anymore. There've been a lot of changes in the law.
http://t.fod4.com/t/22c4ed1ad2/c480x270_44.jpg

[packrulz]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.
I'm not impressed with the clips I've seen of Mosley, I'm not sure he's worth a first round grade. I'd actually rather take Borland in the 3rd.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014-nfl-draft-packers/2014/1/25/5334682/2014-nfl-draft-prospects-louis-nix-scouting-report-packers?utm_source=acmepackingcompany&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=blogs

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Nose Tackle Louis Nix III

By: Ken McKain on Jan 25 2014, 11:31 AM

" It's that time of year again. Join APC as we break down the film on the Packers' prospective draft choices, starting with a potential anchor in the middle of the defense. " LINK


GO PACKERS ...GO PACK GO !

[red]

I'm not impressed with the clips I've seen of Mosley, I'm not sure he's worth a first round grade. I'd actually rather take Borland in the 3rd.

well i'm even less impressed watching out 2 ILB's play, especially jones

[Joemailman]

I'm not impressed with the clips I've seen of Mosley, I'm not sure he's worth a first round grade. I'd actually rather take Borland in the 3rd.

Watched some of the tape of LSU game. Less physical than I would have thought. Shoots a gap pretty well.

[pbmax]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.

What's that phrase, he'll be OK as long as they don't find him with a dead girl or a live boy? :lol:

[packrulz]

Personally, I'm hoping Nix will slip to the Pack, if not, I would take Stephon Tuitt (Florida State) or Dequan Jones (Penn State) over Hageman.
Tuitt is strong as hell and has pass rush skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCxHcsVvvAI
Jones also has good size, can pass rush, and comes hard every snap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FULyLybvDOA

[red]

Stephon Tuitt is from notre dame, not FSU

and i will shoot myself in the fucking face is we piss away yet another high draft pick on another 3-4 d-lineman

we don't need linemen with pass rushing skills, we need block eaters

[smuggler]

DeQuan Jones would be a great pick.

In the third round.

[Fritz]

No way in hell we'd pass on Moseley unless his body is falling apart or if we find out he's into animal sex or killed a dude.


Haven't we been begging for years now for some players with an edge? What's edgier than a guy who's into animal sex? Well, unless he's on the receiving end...

And killing a dude didn't hurt Ray Lewis one bit.

Your objections have been overcome.

[mraynrand]

And killing a dude didn't hurt Ray Lewis one bit.

I'm not even sure that's s crime anymore. There's been a lot of changes in the law...

http://meltbarandgrilled.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fletch.jpg