Packer/Queenie GDT

[Rastak]

Maybe it ends in a tie.....

[pittstang5]

Game over

[woodbuck27]

Damn we want this game so bad.

[ThunderDan]

Getting gashed by the run.

[pittstang5]

told ya. Football gods have it in for the Pack. No way they win peeps

[Rastak]

Yikes.

[Packers4Glory]

This is what happens when you fail to put a team away when you have a golden chance

[Rastak]

Holy shit guys

[Guiness]

omg can they seriously screw this up?

[Infamous]

smh TACKLE!!!

[Badgerinmaine]

Toby Gerhardt is looking like the second coming of Jim Taylor.

[woodbuck27]

OK their running over us.

If the Packers want it they must step up.

AP>>>AP>>>Toby Gerhart>>>Toby Gerhard (8 carries for 91 yards)

No run 'D'.

[Bossman641]

Toby gerhart? Fuck me

[Teamcheez1]

This is what happens when you fail to put a team away when you have a golden chance

MM playcalling in the red zone.

[Packers4Glory]

Garbage .

[Harlan Huckleby]

bring out the oxygen tank

[woodbuck27]

Yikes.

An awesome game Rastak. 8-)

[Teamcheez1]

232 yards rushing by MN. This defense has played very poorly.

[ThunderDan]

Turnover please!

[gbgary]

come on d!

[Rastak]

Toby Gerhardt is looking like the second coming of Jim Taylor.More like Larry Csonka

[CaptainKickass]

I just drank a 16oz rum & juice, with like half rum, in this drive alone!

[Badgerinmaine]

An awesome game Rastak. 8-)

Word.

[Rastak]

Very good game - looks like more to come

[Harlan Huckleby]

get the ball to Jordy

[Rastak]

I just drank a 16oz rum & juice, with like half rum, in this drive alone!


I'm just rockin a bunch of Summit Extra Pale Ales.....although I threw out my back so it's pretty much medicinal......

[gbgary]

back in Flynn's hands.

[woodbuck27]

Good for going for it and if House doesn't do his thing it was all over.

It's now tied again 26 ALL.

Last Play - 03:54 OT

B.Walsh 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-J.Locke.

[Bossman641]

Does flynn have one more in him

[CaptainKickass]

I'm just rockin a bunch of Summit Extra Pale Ales.....although I threw out my back so it's pretty much medicinal......


This post has the Captain Kickass seal of approval! :glug:

[woodbuck27]

Only one tie in the history of Packers Vs Vikings.

[TravisWilliams23]

A tie wouldn't be so bad given how shitty the Pack played today.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Can they play a second OT?

[Badgerinmaine]

I was curious and looked it up--only one tie between Minn. and GB in over 100 games--10-10 in 1978, the year the Packers missed winning the division by losing the tiebreaker to Minn. (the Vikings won the other game)

[Rastak]

Guys must be pretty tired.

[woodbuck27]

:alc: I need more beer. :alc:

[TravisWilliams23]

Can they play a second OT?

Not during the regular season.

[Packers4Glory]

Can our line block anyone on a pass. Both our lines suck

[gbgary]

come on mm!

[ThunderDan]

Turn that up and get 2 yards Starks.

[Infamous]

are they booing?

[Teamcheez1]

MM playing for the tie.

[Rastak]

Man, the toilet bowl continues......

[Infamous]

Looking like f'n purple people eaters

[Badgerinmaine]

What happened to Lacy? I saw here he left the field.

[Teamcheez1]

What kind of play-calling is that? Garbage.

[Harlan Huckleby]

why did they run on 2nd and 10?

[woodbuck27]

They have excellent field position after that series and punt.

[Infamous]

MM playing for the tie.

hahahahaha

[Packers4Glory]

That's the gam..about 4 running plays and fg.range

[Teamcheez1]

I see a loss coming now with a Blair Walsh FG.

[Harlan Huckleby]

What kind of play-calling is that? Garbage.

mm thinks flynn stinks, in guess

[woodbuck27]

hahahahaha

MM playing for a TIE.

MM sneaking up on the Lions and Bears.

[Rastak]

1 yard in a cloud of dust - again.

[Harlan Huckleby]

nice grab, jennings

[Rastak]

He fucked that up for sure.

[ThunderDan]

Good 3 and out by the D.

[Badgerinmaine]

Yeah, it's been ugly--but what a classic Black and Blue Division game this has become.

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER O!!

[woodbuck27]

That was fast>>> back and forth and 2 minutes to go in OT.

Eddie Lacy is back on the field. He's been a story today.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He fucked that up for sure.

you mean he came thru for the team he still loves

[woodbuck27]

Can MM win this close one!?

[Badgerinmaine]

Larry McCarren reports Lacy is back on the sideline

[CaptainKickass]

:alc: I need more beer. :alc:


Also gets a Kickass seal of approval!!

[Rastak]

you mean he came thru for the team he still loves


Yea, knowing they need a high draft choice he took one for the good guys.

[pittstang5]

int coming

[Rastak]

Lacy shaking his head saying he can't go.......not sure what's wrong with him.

[Packers4Glory]

Yay for ties

[Harlan Huckleby]

clutched the snap

[Guiness]

Flynn goes in head first.

What's that whistle for? movement or offside? shit, offside

[Packers4Glory]

Stupid ass line.

[Harlan Huckleby]

fuck the tie, heave it downfield

[Badgerinmaine]

I wish they hadn't blown that timeout on the defensive substitution snafu.

[woodbuck27]

Back to back false starts.

Drives me crazy.

[Guiness]

That was some kind of bad double pump by EDS

[pittstang5]

pft. this team is such a cocktease

[Teamcheez1]

A tie is as good as a loss.

[Badgerinmaine]

This is like the 15th round of a heavyweight title fight.

[Packers4Glory]

Welp this was on Mike. Dumb fuck

[ThunderDan]

Take the tie and go home.

[woodbuck27]

Next a HOLDING penalty.

Exasperating.

First and a mile.

[Teamcheez1]

This team really sucked in OT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

what a shitty way to "end" game

[pittstang5]

A tie is a punch in the balls. Lose with dignity, give them the ball

[Rastak]

They better not turn it over....

[ThunderDan]

A tie is as good as a loss.

No it's a lot better because it is a division game.

[Teamcheez1]

Time to start preparing for our Thanksgiving beatdown.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Flynn stiinks, Tolzien is worse

[Guiness]

Jumping the gun here, but is Tolzien even with the team come Tuesday?

[Harlan Huckleby]

why throw 5 yards?

[ThunderDan]

Throw a Hail Mary and call a time out if you catch it.

[Badgerinmaine]

Souhan of the Star Tribune just tweeted "I no longer think this game should end in a tie. I think both teams should be given losses."

[Teamcheez1]

Jumping the gun here, but is Tolzien even with the team come Tuesday?

We need a back-up on the roster.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe Flynn is as bad as Tolzien. he REALLY has a rag arm

[woodbuck27]

I'm not sure of Matt Flynn's arm after seeing that throw.

All the same he got us back into it.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

We need a back-up on the roster.

We already have a backup roster.

[channtheman]

They should try a free kick.

[woodbuck27]

Well ..... MM gets his TIE.

[Rastak]

The Stanford band play?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I rarely blame play calling, but MM shit himself today

[gbgary]

don't know why we didn't try something deep on 2nd or 3rd down.

[pbmax]

Just terrible and uneven.

[channtheman]

Flynn brought us back but couldn't close the deal with the ball inside the 20 TWICE. Flynn should have been the starter as soon as Rodgers went down. The results show themselves.

[Teamcheez1]

Well ..... MM gets his TIE.

That's how he played it when got into the red zone at the end of regulation, and in OT.

[Infamous]

IMPRESSIVE comeback

[Badgerinmaine]

A toast to Rastak for enjoying the game with us again!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Probably MM should have put Tolzien in for last series. Tolzien at least can throw a 25 yard pass.

[Badgerinmaine]

Flynn brought us back but couldn't close the deal with the ball inside the 20 TWICE. Flynn should have been the starter as soon as Rodgers went down. The results show themselves.
Um, he wasn't on the roster when Rodgers went down...

[channtheman]

IMPRESSIVE comeback

It really was. And I know it is the right call, but I was thinking when we went for 2 after the first TD, "maybe we should just kick the extra point." Some things might have played out differently, but we would have possibly had a 1 point lead instead of OT.

[TravisWilliams23]

Well, at least we don't have to see Jenning's with a shit eating grin.

[Teamcheez1]

IMPRESSIVE comeback

If you don't win it doesn't matter.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Flynn brought us back but couldn't close the deal with the ball inside the 20 TWICE. Flynn should have been the starter as soon as Rodgers went down. The results show themselves.

I disagree. Flynn looked awful, he has no arm at all.

It's at most a coin toss

[channtheman]

Um, he wasn't on the roster when Rodgers went down...

You know what I mean, as soon as we brought him back. I think we wasted a couple weeks on Tolzien.

[Teamcheez1]

It really was. And I know it is the right call, but I was thinking when we went for 2 after the first TD, "maybe we should just kick the extra point." Some things might have played out differently, but we would have possibly had a 1 point lead instead of OT.

Thanks for reminding me about the boneheaded 2 point conversion call.

[pittstang5]

How do ties work? At the end of the year, this counts as 1/2 a point?

[channtheman]

I disagree. Flynn looked awful, he has no arm at all.

It's at most a coin toss

We scored more points in one quarter. I don't really care who was the reason or if Flynn looked awful. We scored points.

[Rastak]

A toast to Rastak for enjoying the game with us again!


Enjoyed it - sort of I guess......:|

[channtheman]

Enjoyed it - sort of I guess......:|

How is one supposed to feel after a tie? "At least we didn't lose... sorta."

[CaptainKickass]

Flynn can actually RUN the no-huddle. He looked FAR superior to Tolzien in almost every aspect of his game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We scored more points in one quarter. I don't really care who was the reason or if Flynn looked awful. We scored points.

Ya, all-and-all Flynn was more competent. He is bad, though, even by backup standards.

Flynn and Tolzien aren't good enough to play.

I would go with Tolzien because at least he can threaten to throw downfield. It's a coin flip between them.

[Rastak]

How is one supposed to feel after a tie? "At least we didn't lose... sorta."


Exactly - have a nice evening guys.

[Badgerinmaine]

Just saw this online :-) http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1452216_10201033059328262_1475735759_n.jpg

[woodbuck27]

Well I can catch my breath. :smile:

That was an exciting football game.

[channtheman]

So what you're saying is in one day, EVERY team from the NFC North, LOST! And two of em played each other!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Flynn can actually RUN the no-huddle. He looked FAR superior to Tolzien in almost every aspect of his game.

Flynn has an awful arm.
He is worse than Senaca Wallace

[gbgary]

a tie...kinda like kissing your rastak.

[woodbuck27]

Flynn has an awful arm.
He is worse than Senaca Wallace

He looked weak late in that game or burnt out in OT.

[Badgerinmaine]

How is one supposed to feel after a tie? "At least we didn't lose... sorta."
After being down 23-7 in the 4th quarter and gaining on both the Lions and Bears, I say "pretty darn good".

[woodbuck27]

We scored more points in one quarter. I don't really care who was the reason or if Flynn looked awful. We scored points.

Yup we definitely progressed with a backup QB.

[pittstang5]

This team is such a fucking cocktease. Sp. Teams finally makes a stop, holds Patterson to the 20, then defense goes into heartless mode. I mean, this team had all the momentum after stopping the Vikings in regulation, tying it up, getting the coin toss and then getting the FG in OT. Good teams feed off that momentum, this teams just throws it to the side like last nights hooker.

[CaptainKickass]

Flynn has an awful arm.
He is worse than Senaca Wallace

You sir, are high.Or maybe drunker than I am. We respectfully disagree. Wallace was worse than Tolzien.

Either way, outside of the long ball - Flynn is the main reason we didn't lose today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[Harlan Huckleby]

In must-pass situations, MM didn't trust Flynn to throw the ball farther than 10 yards. not sure if that is on MM or Flynn
F

[channtheman]

This team is such a fucking cocktease. Sp. Teams finally makes a stop, holds Patterson to the 20, then defense goes into heartless mode. I mean, this team had all the momentum after stopping the Vikings in regulation, tying it up, getting the coin toss and then getting the FG in OT. Good teams feed off that momentum, this teams just throws it to the side like last nights hooker.


I was once again, very disappointed in the defense on that series. Letting AP and Gerhart run all over them. Hold them to 3rd and 8, then let AP run for 20 yards. VERY disappointing effort. They did have a great 3 and out in regulation, but couldn't pull another stop out, despite not having been on the field for a game tying drive to end regulation and a game leading drive opening OT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Either way, outside of the long ball - Flynn is the main reason we didn't lose today.

I don't disagree with this state4ment, Tolzien couldn't hit the barn side of a broad. I just think Flynn has a rag arm, and they couldn't play to win in the end. Flynn is not good enough to be a backup in the nfl

[channtheman]

I think I have the most important question of the afternoon. What the fuck does this mean for the game day thread? Does Pugger get to start the next thread? Do we go two posters since technically we lost and won? Does just part of a loss mean Pugger is out?

[woodbuck27]

a tie...kinda like kissing your rastak.

Ohh Dear .... No !

Bad simile.

[woodbuck27]

In must-pass situations, MM didn't trust Flynn to throw the ball farther than 10 yards. not sure if that is on MM or Flynn
F

Evidence of that fact was the position of Jordy Nelson late in OT...as he was playing just off the LOS....left.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think I have the most important question of the afternoon. What the fuck does this mean for the game day thread? Does Pugger get to start the next thread? Do we go two posters since technically we lost and won? Does just part of a loss mean Pugger is out?

pugger goes on waivers

[pittstang5]

I think I have the most important question of the afternoon. What the fuck does this mean for the game day thread? Does Pugger get to start the next thread? Do we go two posters since technically we lost and won? Does just part of a loss mean Pugger is out?

funny, I was thinking about that too. I say let him do it again. However, it won't matter who starts it. Hell, even if Rodgers miraculously plays, this defense couldn't stop an old lady with a walker. Stafford to Megatron all day.

[CaptainKickass]

I think I have the most important question of the afternoon. What the fuck does this mean for the game day thread? Does Pugger get to start the next thread? Do we go two posters since technically we lost and won? Does just part of a loss mean Pugger is out?

Let's find out.

It's your idea so - start a new thread with a Poll in it!!!

[woodbuck27]

You sir, are high.Or maybe drunker than I am. We respectfully disagree. Wallace was worse than Tolzien.

Either way, outside of the long ball - Flynn is the main reason we didn't lose today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

We're grateful for all Matt Flynn did give us.

Not as grateful as I am to Jesus. I believe he helped Flynn get us to the tie.

[Guiness]

Someone check with McNabb. Is this allowed?

[gbgary]

o had the game set up and let it get away with only a fg scored. d bent but didn't break. mm choked on the last possession.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Not as grateful as I am to Jesus. I believe he helped Flynn get us to the tie.

if that's all jesus will get ya, I'm giving the devil a try.

[CaptainKickass]

Not as grateful as I am to Jesus.

WTF does a Mexican have to do with anything? Where the fuck is Mad when you need him to explain this shit to a white guy?

[gbgary]

just about what you'd expect from a team with tons of back-ups playing.

[PA Pack Fan]

I don't disagree with this state4ment, Tolzien couldn't hit the barn side of a broad. I just think Flynn has a rag arm, and they couldn't play to win in the end. Flynn is not good enough to be a backup in the nfl

agreed.

[pittstang5]

On another note, Packers have to play in 4 days and just played 5 full quarters of tough football. I hate short weeks. Not that it wouldn't be the norm with this team, but more guys are going to get hurt on Thursday...alot more than usual.

[woodbuck27]

WTF does a Mexican have to do with anything? Where the fuck is Mad when you need him to explain this shit to a white guy?

Ohh dear...not hay..sus. My guy doesn't wear a hat.

[woodbuck27]

On another note, Packers have to play in 4 days and just played 5 full quarters of tough football. I hate short weeks. Not that it wouldn't be the norm with this team, but more guys are going to get hurt on Thursday...alot more than usual.

That produced an exhausted Packer dressing room.

MM had to help some of the boys off with their gear.

Maybe errrr ahh...... not !

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Very ugly game...very ugly finish. Ugly....ugly...ugly.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Very ugly game...very ugly finish. Ugly....ugly...ugly.

look who's talkin

http://packerrats.com/image.php?u=7888&dateline=1383871475

[Teamcheez1]

I think some of you are actually proud we tied that game.

This was on our home field against a team with only two wins the entire season, the same as the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's as good as a loss.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I think some of you are actually proud we tied that game.

This was on our home field against a team with only two wins the entire season, the same as the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's as good as a loss.

Worse then a loss after three straight losses...

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

look who's talkin

http://packerrats.com/image.php?u=7888&dateline=1383871475

Hey, it ain't easy covering up your nose with your lower lip...

[Smeefers]

I think some of you are actually proud we tied that game.

This was on our home field against a team with only two wins the entire season, the same as the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's as good as a loss.
I would have prefered a win, but a tie is way better than a loss. For me, it means next week isn't a must win. The reason people sound happy is because we had no business even being in that game. The defense played horrible. If it wasn't for the massive injuries, i'd heap all the blame on capers. At this rate though, I'm still giving him 75% of it. There is massive talent on this defense. They can play better than this.

[woodbuck27]

Very ugly game...very ugly finish. Ugly....ugly...ugly.


http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/photo/2009-10/23871101171260-12121642.jpg

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I would have prefered a win, but a tie is way better than a loss. For me, it means next week isn't a must win. The reason people sound happy is because we had no business even being in that game. The defense played horrible. If it wasn't for the massive injuries, i'd heap all the blame on capers. At this rate though, I'm still giving him 75% of it. There is massive talent on this defense. They can play better than this.

'Massive talent'? Could you please elaborate? But I do agree they can play better, cause they can't play much worse.

[red]

well, can't say we didn't score enough to win this week

defense lost us the game today and they are just going nuts on the radio about it

"fire capers, and fire the next guy on the field that makes a mistake. make a statement" and i agree. what we have seen from the defense has been unacceptable. if raji doesn't want to be here anymore, then bench his fat ass. if tramon drops another int, bench him. if hawk misses another sack, get him off the field

do something to get the attention of the defensive players, these guys have to have some kind of fire lit under their asses

[red]

and flynn should have been in the game sooner. he doesn't have anywhere close to the same arm strength as tolzien, but the offense looks totally different with him at the helm

[pbmax]

Flynn almost has to start ahead of Tolzien, but its clear what happens when he is in there. It pulls the entire defense forward as its not clear he can effectively get the ball more than 20 yards down the field. Even his two long completions were highly contested.

But he is more effective than Tolzien.

This defense against the run game collapsed back to 2012 standards. Its clear they missed Wilson.

[woodbuck27]

This was a wild day for early games:



3 NYJ - 19 BAL... Stay alive for a Wild card with a big home win. The Jets are slumping.


27 PIT - 11 CLE... Big Ben comes through again today (2 TD Pass's) and Surging Steelers remain firmly in the hunt for a Wild card.


24 TB - 21 DET.... The LIONS lose another (2 straight loss's) and this one at home.


26 MIN - 26 GB ...... FINAL OT ....I'm without words on this game....right now. :whaa:


13 JAC - 6 HOU .... The Texan's 9th straight loss.

The Jag's don't want the NO. 1 Draft pick.


41 SD - 38 KC ... The Chiefs lose again and that's 2 straight loss's.


20 CAR - 16 MIA ... The Panthers continue to roll winning their 7th straight.


21 CHI - 42 STL... The Bears get stomped on the road inspite of a solid day by Josh McCown. 39/42 for 352 Yards and 2 TD's

[Pugger]

It's kinda funny that people talk about Tolzien like he is a ruddy-faced youngster. Guy is 26-years old, in the prime of his career. He has little game experience, but he's been around the pro game for a while.

But no experience. Flynn looked more composed but he doesn't have much of an arm.

[bobblehead]

'Massive talent'? Could you please elaborate? But I do agree they can play better, cause they can't play much worse.

I love all the posters who make insightful posts like "ugly ugly game" and rarely post anything elaborate or thoughtful asking people to elaborate.

Massive talent. CM3, Perry, and Neal are very good talent at OLB. Daniels, Jolly, Raji, Datone, and Pickett are deep talent for a 3-4. Hayward, Shields, House, Tramon are deep talent at CB.

The problem is that we NEVER have the talent on the field together. Injuries are forcing us to play some very week players at all times and it is making the defense look worse than the talent is.

Now please come back with an elaborate post like "you're full of shit bobblehead."

[Upnorth]

After the first half I'm happy we tied, but still disappointed over all. One thing will make today good, riders winning the grey cup.

[denverYooper]

Flynn almost has to start ahead of Tolzien, but its clear what happens when he is in there. It pulls the entire defense forward as its not clear he can effectively get the ball more than 20 yards down the field. Even his two long completions were highly contested.

But he is more effective than Tolzien.

This defense against the run game collapsed back to 2012 standards. Its clear they missed Wilson.

And Jolly.

I thought Flynn was more effective because he was making quick decisions for the most part, getting the ball out to the receivers/backs and letting them work or throwing it away. It actually looked a little closer to how the Broncos run their offense, though much less well-orchestrated.

I was wondering a bit about the couple free runs that Opie ILB got up the middle a couple of times. Was that something that Flynn missed? I noticed they had Q go right through the middle for 10-11 yards right away on the series after the free sack by the Vikes.

[Pugger]

CJ Wilson is an excellent run stopper. He's not a great player, but he's very strong. They'll be OK.

I hope Sherrod sees some snaps.

Did Sherrod play? We had to go the Packer bar to watch the game - and why I didn't post during the game - and we couldn't hear the announcers very well.

[Pugger]

Great start huh guys?

Franklin fumbles the opening kickoff

Followed by a sack

Then a run where lacy is met 2 yards in the backfield

Then tolzien throws one of his patented screen plays the hits a defender rigt in his hands but he drops it

At least the d looks better

Even tho Tolzien got sacked on that first play at least MM wasn't afraid to throw it.

[bobblehead]

well, can't say we didn't score enough to win this week

defense lost us the game today and they are just going nuts on the radio about it

"fire capers, and fire the next guy on the field that makes a mistake. make a statement" and i agree. what we have seen from the defense has been unacceptable. if raji doesn't want to be here anymore, then bench his fat ass. if tramon drops another int, bench him. if hawk misses another sack, get him off the field

do something to get the attention of the defensive players, these guys have to have some kind of fire lit under their asses

Tolzien was so inaccurate and so bad in his decisions that the D never had a chance again. 3 and outs, bad field position etc. The D certainly bled yards vs. the rush, especially after they were gassed, but they did manage to get some stops once Flynn kept them off the field for more than 27 seconds. Remember it was 20-7 when Flynn came in, and a lot of that damage was done due to the offense hanging them out to dry.

Football is about a symbiotic relationship involving all aspects of the game. When one of the aspects stinks on ice the rest tend to smell rotten as well. The reason I don't buy the playmaker theory is because massive holes can't be covered by a great player on another part of the field. If it could we could cover for Newhouse.

[red]

I love all the posters who make insightful posts like "ugly ugly game" and rarely post anything elaborate or thoughtful asking people to elaborate.

Massive talent. CM3, Perry, and Neal are very good talent at OLB. Daniels, Jolly, Raji, Datone, and Pickett are deep talent for a 3-4. Hayward, Shields, House, Tramon are deep talent at CB.

The problem is that we NEVER have the talent on the field together. Injuries are forcing us to play some very week players at all times and it is making the defense look worse than the talent is.

Now please come back with an elaborate post like "you're full of shit bobblehead."

i kind of agree and disagree with you

i agree we do have the talent, but i disagree that the reason we suck is because they aren't on the field together. i think even with injuries, we have enough talent to be a very good D. i think its the coaches that are solely to blame for the talent not being able to play together

[bobblehead]

But no experience. Flynn looked more composed but he doesn't have much of an arm.

Flynn at least throws the ball where it belongs (including the second row at times). That lead to 2 PI calls that we got because he threw it to the single coverage and allowed his receivers to make plays.

[bobblehead]

i kind of agree and disagree with you

i agree we do have the talent, but i disagree that the reason we suck is because they aren't on the field together. i think even with injuries, we have enough talent to be a very good D. i think its the coaches that are solely to blame for the talent not being able to play together

I also agree that Dom has worn out his welcome. Our D looks confused WAY too often.

[woodbuck27]

Did Sherrod play? We had to go the Packer bar to watch the game - and why I didn't post during the game - and we couldn't hear the announcers very well.

A laptop and WIFI at the premises would have done the trick.

Any bars with WIFI down there?

You simply open two windows:

a) Packerrats

b) NFL.Com

and ....your set to go Pugger.

[pbmax]

And Jolly.

I thought Flynn was more effective because he was making quick decisions for the most part, getting the ball out to the receivers/backs and letting them work or throwing it away. It actually looked a little closer to how the Broncos run their offense, though much less well-orchestrated.

I was wondering a bit about the couple free runs that Opie ILB got up the middle a couple of times. Was that something that Flynn missed? I noticed they had Q go right through the middle for 10-11 yards right away on the series after the free sack by the Vikes.

Jolly would have been a better injury sub than Worthy for Wilson, but I thought Wilson was hanging tough.

That ILB was an injury sub and his rush straight up the gut looked like something the Packers never expected to see.

Flynn was also more effective when the pocket got small, he did not bail to a bad side and stayed calm. Allen really picked it up at the end of the game versus Back as well.

[pbmax]

I think part of the problem on defense is constantly rotating bodies. Like Williams last week as a late starter at outside CB, someone knew gets thrown in and by the time they get used to all the hand signals and adjustments its been 3 weeks of a mess.

Once they have it down they get moved because someone else gets hurt.

I will say this: gap discipline broke down today like it did last year especially early saw Raji, Jones, Hawk and Matthews get out of shape). It seemed to get better. But then something fell apart again late and in OT.

[Carolina_Packer]

You could argue that the scheme is sound and the execution is not, and the personnel needs to change.

You could argue that the scheme is not sound, and that it does not fit the present/healthy personnel and needs to change.

What is not up for argument is the fact that we are not getting results with either the personnel and the coaching staff, and something needs to change, and will likely be parts of the coaching staff if they don't get their act together.

Aaron Rodgers does not play defense.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I also agree that Dom has worn out his welcome. Our D looks confused WAY too often.

Best quote of the day. Confused is an excellent description. But doesn't that mean coaches and/or scheme not correct for the guys who are playing.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Just way too many instances of looking like keystone cops. On the surface it certainly looks like talent sucks, but I agree it could be scheme and/or coaching.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

But I still maintain it was an ugly ugly game...

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Flynn can actually RUN the no-huddle. He looked FAR superior to Tolzien in almost every aspect of his game.

Exactly. I don't think its a cioncidence our best offense came out of the no huddle. Tolzien may have a better arm but the odffense has no rhythm when he's in there and MM has time to second guess his calls and try to be too clever.

[woodbuck27]

Jolly would have been a better injury sub than Worthy for Wilson, but I thought Wilson was hanging tough.

That ILB was an injury sub and his rush straight up the gut looked like something the Packers never expected to see.

Flynn was also more effective when the pocket got small, he did not bail to a bad side and stayed calm. Allen really picked it up at the end of the game versus Back as well.

Questions:

A) What did you (anybody else) think of BJ Raji today?

B) Did the Packers 'D' look exhausted as OT progressed?

[pittstang5]

You could argue that the scheme is sound and the execution is not, and the personnel needs to change.

You could argue that the scheme is not sound, and that it does not fit the present/healthy personnel and needs to change.

What is not up for argument is the fact that we are not getting results with either the personnel and the coaching staff, and something needs to change, and will likely be parts of the coaching staff if they don't get their act together.

Aaron Rodgers does not play defense.

That's what is so confusing. The defense plays great one series than they have a huge brain fart the next, usually when you need them to step up. Then, there's the issue of tackling.

There are just so many issues with this team and it's obvious having a player like Rodgers hid those issues. Getting our asses kicked the past 4 weeks might benefit this team in the long run, ie heads might roll.

[pittstang5]

Questions:

A) What did you (anybody else) think of BJ Raji today?

B) Did the Packers 'D' look exhausted as OT progressed?

Didn't hear Raji name at all. I think he's going to have a hard time finding a team to pay him 8 mil. Plus. I wish him luck, I'd rather have Jolly. Jolly at least plays with heart.

[Teamcheez1]

Raji made one pay that I rember the entire game where he stopped a running play cold. The rest of the time he was either pushed around, shot the wrong gap, and put no pressure on the QB. He is, after all, the $8M dollar man.

The defense was already starting to wear down by the 4th quarter. The offense should have won the game on our first drive of OT (or at the end of the 4th qtr), but MM saw to it that was not going to happen.

[red]

Didn't hear Raji name at all. I think he's going to have a hard time finding a team to pay him 8 mil. Plus. I wish him luck, I'd rather have Jolly. Jolly at least plays with heart.

yup

[Bretsky]

I am probably the as big or the biggest Badger Homer on this forum so it was not a good sign when I noted right off the bat Tolzien was not the answer. Had they started Flynn right off the bat, as I suggested they do after last week, we would have probably won.

[Teamcheez1]

I am probably the as big or the biggest Badger Homer on this forum so it was not a good sign when I noted right off the bat Tolzien was not the answer. Had they started Flynn right off the bat, as I suggested they do after last week, we would have probably won.

I think a lot of us are with you on this one. I was rooting for the kid to succeed from the time we signed him, but there are just so many limitations walking onto a new team, new system, and never having really played in an NFL game. It was probably wishful thinking on our part that he would be wildly succesful.

[Freak Out]

I am probably the as big or the biggest Badger Homer on this forum so it was not a good sign when I noted right off the bat Tolzien was not the answer. Had they started Flynn right off the bat, as I suggested they do after last week, we would have probably won.

Stubby is a stubborn one.....

[pittstang5]

I think a lot of us are with you on this one. I was rooting for the kid to succeed from the time we signed him, but there are just so many limitations walking onto a new team, new system, and never having really played in an NFL game. It was probably wishful thinking on our part that he would be wildly succesful.

The guy has moxie, I'll give him that. He was off today and you knew he was going to turn it over at some point. mm just didn't give him that chance.

[woodbuck27]

Raji made one pay that I rember the entire game where he stopped a running play cold. The rest of the time he was either pushed around, shot the wrong gap, and put no pressure on the QB. He is, after all, the $8M dollar man.

The defense was already starting to wear down by the 4th quarter. The offense should have won the game on our first drive of OT (or at the end of the 4th qtr), but MM saw to it that was not going to happen.

Maybe it's me but it sure seems that MM tightens up in too many games.

It always seems to me as if he's so alone on the sidelines too. MM hiding behind his play sheet.

[woodbuck27]

The guy has moxie, I'll give him that. He was off today and you knew he was going to turn it over at some point. mm just didn't give him that chance.

MM didn't give him any reins.

[digitaldean]

Questions:

A) What did you (anybody else) think of BJ Raji today?

B) Did the Packers 'D' look exhausted as OT progressed?

Raji and most of D-Line sucked. They let a crappy Minnesota O-line push them around. Gerhart had truck-size holes to run through. Just like last week, we were slow and couldn't get off blocks. They may have been exhausted, but they let Minny march right down the field to tie the game back up in OT.

If Raji is hoping for a big payday, his play sure isn't reflecting it.

[digitaldean]

As for Flynn, FOX commentator John Lynch was dead on in his analysis, "Some guys are perfect fits for certain teams" (referring to Flynn). Flynn knows the system ran no huddle pretty well and was reasonably accurate. Tolzien was too inaccurate plus we caught a break on a totally botched defensive play from the Vikes to give us the early lead.

No brainer...if Rodgers can't play, Flynn gives us the best chance to win. Lacy got 99 yards vs. Lions. We will need him to eat up clock and keep Megatron on sidelines.

That defense though is flat out pathetic. They couldn't blitz properly, run gap penetration was horrible.

[woodbuck27]

Raji and most of D-Line sucked. They let a crappy Minnesota O-line push them around. Gerhart had truck-size holes to run through. Just like last week, we were slow and couldn't get off blocks. They may have been exhausted, but they let Minny march right down the field to tie the game back up in OT.

If Raji is hoping for a big payday, his play sure isn't reflecting it.

I can't see him back with us next season on any account.

He's simply NOT there IMO.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Flynn at least throws the ball where it belongs (including the second row at times).

As long as the ball belongs closer than 15 yards.

I think Flynn must be concealing tendinitis in his elbow or something. He looks like Darrell Bevell. And not Darrell Bevell in college, Darrell Bevell as a 43-year-old coach.

[woodbuck27]

As long as the ball belongs closer than 15 yards.

I think Flynn must be concealing tendinitis in his elbow or something. He looks like Darrell Bevell. And not Darrell Bevell in college, Darrell Bevell as a 43-year-old coach.

Yea something seems wrong with his arm.

How can that actually be the case and him being signed by the Packers??

[red]

I can't see him back with us next season on any account.

He's simply NOT there IMO.

he mentally left the team awhile ago

[CaptainKickass]

Exactly. I don't think its a cioncidence our best offense came out of the no huddle. Tolzien may have a better arm but the odffense has no rhythm when he's in there and MM has time to second guess his calls and try to be too clever.



I am probably the as big or the biggest Badger Homer on this forum so it was not a good sign when I noted right off the bat Tolzien was not the answer. Had they started Flynn right off the bat, as I suggested they do after last week, we would have probably won.

If this were a band, Flynn would be the new lead guitarist.

I like Tolzien as a development guy. Was even rooting for his success. Maybe give him an off-season and a year as 3rd string to show competence. But in the NFL you can't get by on talent alone. He looked like a baseball pitcher throwing the football. I too think MM should have been able to see that Flynn gave them the best chance to win before the team was down 3 scores.

Sometimes it seems that MM trusts his process too much and it takes away from making obvious important football decisions.

.

[woodbuck27]

If this were a band, Flynn would be the new lead guitarist.

I like Tolzien as a development guy. Was even rooting for his success. Maybe give him an off-season and a year as 3rd string to show competence. But in the NFL you can't get by on talent alone. He looked like a baseball pitcher throwing the football. I too think MM should have been able to see that Flynn gave them the best chance to win before the team was down 3 scores.

Sometimes it seems that MM trusts his process too much and it takes away from making obvious important football decisions.

.

Or RE: MM:

Isn't he a tad slow 'generally' in terms of being on the ball and making needed adjustments?

Before I go on I'll admit that somehow I just can't get to being a huge fan of MM's. I would never associate Mike McCarthy with the word 'Fox'.

It really bugs me to see his mug in behind that play sheet (book) so much. If he would lower that from his face, maybe he could see more.

The other thing is why does MM always seem so alone on the sidelines? Shouldn't he be in communication with his team of coach's more during games? Asking his coach's what their seeing and what they feel needs to be adjusted 'in game'?

What the HELL is really going on in Green Bay? Look at the NO Saints sideline the next time you get a chance. Is the Saints DC visable on their sideline? Compare the Packers in game sideline and activity Re: other top NFL teams.

Do you see solid communication between the HC and his coaching staff during games on the Packer sideline? Can Mike McCarthy do two things at once? Call a game and generally communicate in the manner that many solid or top HC's do.

I'm so sick of what's happening now being shoved onto the loss of Aaron Rodgers to injury. Somehow it's on the GM and HC and his staff to cope. Going now, four straight games without a win is inexcusable.

PACKERS !

[Iron Mike]

Probably MM should have put Tolzien in for last series. Tolzien at least can throw a 25 yard pass.

Yup. To the air above the receiver's outstretched arms. :(

[Packers4Glory]

Flynn can actually RUN the no-huddle. He looked FAR superior to Tolzien in almost every aspect of his game.

I like Tolzien. he looks like a good project and shows some promise. Keep him around.

But Flynn as I've said since he was cut by Oakland should be here as the backup. He gives the team the best chance to win even over that crappy Wallace. If we had Flynn we beat the bears. He knows the offense and the most of the WR we have. His arm isn't a cannon but he gets the ball where it's needed and on time. You can win with Flynn and even some playoff games if needed in this system.

TT spit the bit by not grabbing him when he was free the first time.

[woodbuck27]

I like Tolzien. he looks like a good project and shows some promise. Keep him around.

But Flynn as I've said since he was cut by Oakland should be here as the backup. He gives the team the best chance to win even over that crappy Wallace. If we had Flynn we beat the bears. He knows the offense and the most of the WR we have. His arm isn't a cannon but he gets the ball where it's needed and on time. You can win with Flynn and even some playoff games if needed in this system.

TT spit the bit by not grabbing him when he was free the first time.

REf:

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

QB Matt Flynn Time Line


Comment woodbuck27:

According to the media.... it's MM that veto'd bringing in Matt Flynn as a backup when he was made available by the Oakland Raiders.

RE: QB Matt Flynn

The Oakland Raiders Release QB Matt Flynn

ESPN.com ... Oct 7, 2013 - 2:21 PM

" It's a stunning admission of defeat from out-of-his-depth GM Reggie McKenzie, but hardly surprising considering coach Dennis Allen's barely-concealed disdain for his would-be starting quarterback. Flynn had tumbled behind Matt McGloin — a painful to watch quarterback in college — on the depth chart, and was embarrassingly inept in his Week 4 spot start against the Redskins. The fact that he's bringing home a guaranteed $6.5 million this season is one of the most embarrassing GM gaffes in recent memory. Between his money wasted in Flynn and fourth-round misfire on Tyler Wilson, McKenzie has proven he has no idea what he's doing with quarterbacks. Barely a No. 2 level talent, it's possible Flynn will latch back on with the Packers, who lack a viable backup behind Aaron Rodgers. "

The following day:

Coach Mike McCarthy suggested the Packers are not interested in free agent QB Matt Flynn.

ESPN.com ... Oct 8, 2013 - 8:11 AM

" The Packers have had Graham Harrell, Vince Young, B.J. Coleman and now Seneca Wallace as Aaron Rodgers' backup. That's the role Flynn played from 2008-2011.

"Personally, I'm very happy with the quarterback room, the way it looks, the people in it," McCarthy said.

"I do like Seneca Wallace. I like what he's done since he's been here." Packer HC Mike McCarthy

It's yet another slap in the face to Flynn, whose cheeks are getting awfully red at this point. "

PACKERS !

[Badgerinmaine]

I think some of you are actually proud we tied that game.


Darned right I am. Doesn't mean the first 2/3s of the game weren't dreadful, or that they didn't blow a chance to win it in the first drive in regulation. But to come back from 23-7 down in the fourth quarter to tie it? Yeah, that's pretty darned good no matter who you're playing.

[denverYooper]

Darned right I am. Doesn't mean the first 2/3s of the game weren't dreadful, or that they didn't blow a chance to win it in the first drive in regulation. But to come back from 23-7 down in the fourth quarter to tie it? Yeah, that's pretty darned good no matter who you're playing.

The important question now, does Flynn get credit for a 4th quarter comeback?

[Teamcheez1]

Darned right I am. Doesn't mean the first 2/3s of the game weren't dreadful, or that they didn't blow a chance to win it in the first drive in regulation. But to come back from 23-7 down in the fourth quarter to tie it? Yeah, that's pretty darned good no matter who you're playing.

In the moment, it was exciting. There are no moral victories. At the end of the day, we tied a team at home vying for the worst record in the league.

[QBME]

In the moment, it was exciting. There are no moral victories. At the end of the day, we tied a team at home vying for the worst record in the league.

I dunno - I got a funny feeling that the half game is going to be just enough for the Pack to win the NFC North.

[bobblehead]

You could argue that the scheme is sound and the execution is not, and the personnel needs to change.

You could argue that the scheme is not sound, and that it does not fit the present/healthy personnel and needs to change.

What is not up for argument is the fact that we are not getting results with either the personnel and the coaching staff, and something needs to change, and will likely be parts of the coaching staff if they don't get their act together.

Aaron Rodgers does not play defense.

I would argue that talent and scheme are sound, but we do not practice/teach as aggressively as we need to. It goes back to the crap like not practicing outdoors because its too cold, then having a punter muff two snaps because he isn't used to catching the ball in the cold.

[bobblehead]

That's what is so confusing. The defense plays great one series than they have a huge brain fart the next, usually when you need them to step up. Then, there's the issue of tackling.

There are just so many issues with this team and it's obvious having a player like Rodgers hid those issues. Getting our asses kicked the past 4 weeks might benefit this team in the long run, ie heads might roll.

QB is the central player in the game. Losing a Rodgers is huge, and not having a ready game manager (unless seneca was, we never got to see) makes it worse. The D looks much better when it isn't forced on the field after 3 and outs. We also have had way too many injuries and chemistry is suffering.

[Joemailman]

I dunno - I got a funny feeling that the half game is going to be just enough for the Pack to win the NFC North.

Could be. One thing is for sure. We can stop worrying about tie-breakers. Division record and head to head don't mean a thing anymore.

[KYPack]

Could be. One thing is for sure. We can stop worrying about tie-breakers. Division record and head to head don't mean a thing anymore.

The NFC North.

Every team lost or half lost on Sunday.

[Joemailman]

QB is the central player in the game. Losing a Rodgers is huge, and not having a ready game manager (unless seneca was, we never got to see) makes it worse. The D looks much better when it isn't forced on the field after 3 and outs. We also have had way too many injuries and chemistry is suffering.

With Rodgers the Packers are a playoff team. I believe they'd be 9-2 if he hadn't gotten hurt. But with the way the defense is playing, a playoff team is all they are. They are not a Super Bowl contender even with Rodgers. Not unless this defense finds a way to start producing turnovers.