Inter-members Discourse Inspired by Activities on Thanksgiving Day

[Harlan Huckleby]

So are we the worst team in the league when arod is out?

affirmative, Jim

[red]

So are we the worst team in the league when arod is out?

well since he's gone down we have lost to 3 of the worst teams in the nfl. sorry, we tied the vikings who are fighting for that bottom spot

so yeah, i'd say we are in the conversation

[CaptainKickass]

So are we the worst team in the league when arod is out?


All evidence points to this as correct and true.

[Patler]

Total yards on offense:

Detroit - 403
Packers - 42

[woodbuck27]

Packers had 48 yards of offense in first half.

Flynn is awful, maybe Tolzien can throw hail marys. If it were me, I'd put Kuhn behind center and run the veer.

Their up to 69 yards now with 9:08 remaining in the 3rd Qtr.

Make a prediction:

Will they get to 100 yards of 'O' by games end?

That's a tough 'yes response' after that pick on Matt Flynn.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Oline sucks. Dline sucks. LBs suck. Dbs suck. Coaching sucks. Am I missing anybody?

[Infamous]

PUT IN SCOTT

[red]

Rum and Pepsi on the rocks !??

Every Pirate enjoys that.

i'm trying to be civil, drinking brandy ole fashions

flynn can't even get the ball off. both ends collapsed right in on him

no he couldn't step up troy, a guy drilled him right up the gut as soon as the ball was stripped

complete mess by the o-line there

[channtheman]

Have the Lions been this good on defense all year? Or is it just because we are playing them and they decide today is the day to play inspired ball?

[Upnorth]

Oh goody a fumble e

[woodbuck27]

Oline sucks. Dline sucks. LBs suck. Dbs suck. Coaching sucks. Am I missing anybody?

Good thing they don't have a mascot.

[red]

thats gonna be a fine for clay, maybe not

[channtheman]

Clay Matthews not called for a penalty? Nope, announcers are wrong, helmet was in the chest. That is how you hit these days. Perfect example.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sammy!

[red]

great coverage sam

[Patler]

Their up to 69 yards now with 9:08 remaining in the 3rd Qtr.

Make a prediction:

Will they get to 100 yards of 'O' by games end?

That's a tough 'yes response' after that pick on Matt Flynn.

I think the 69 is without deducting for sacks.

[red]

get rid of tramon and give shields all his money this off season

[Infamous]

GREAT coverage

[woodbuck27]

Hell Yes!

Did Sam ever fight for that pick. Nice coming underneath Megatron.

Perfect coverage. Good for Sam Shields....get rid of the rest of them.

Did MM FIRE SLOCUM yet?

[Guiness]

How the hell does Shields out jump Johnson?!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Oline sucks. Dline sucks. LBs suck. Dbs suck. Coaching sucks. Am I missing anybody?

Okay, except for Sam Shields.

[red]

you see how much time stafford had to throw that ball? noe compare it to what flynn has had ass day

we rushed 2 guys and one of those guys broke off and ran for the opposite sideline for some reason

[Badgerinmaine]

Where have all these turnovers been all season? Great positioning and effort by Shields. I'm amazed the Lions aren't up four TDs by now.

[red]

How the hell does Shields out jump Johnson?!

under thrown

[CaptainKickass]

See? 2 Consecutive completions to running backs - old school west coast style

[woodbuck27]

get rid of tramon and give shields all his money this off season

Tramon has had his best days.

If TT allows San Shields to get away .... the kids will be restless.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Why would we decline the pesonal foul?

[red]

um

how does 2 penalties on the d including a personal foul offset 1 penalty on the offense?

[woodbuck27]

Where have all these turnovers been all season? Great positioning and effort by Shields. I'm amazed the Lions aren't up four TDs by now.

It's the LIONS>>>they're turning the ball over the past three weeks.

If they don't get that solved soon this season...their toast down the road.

[red]

and we've lost another player to a concusion and an illegal hit

[channtheman]

Hit on a defenseless receiver.

[Harlan Huckleby]

this is not entertaining football

[woodbuck27]

The Packers have had 4 take away's so far in this game .... but we need a TD....soon.

Does Brandon Bostic gone mean ..... no passing TD's?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why would we decline the pesonal foul?

personal fouls usually override. this is confusing

[woodbuck27]

this is not entertaining football

Please Harlan .... try to be clearer.

[channtheman]

Does McGinn still think we'd win 11 games without Rodgers, because i think we'd go 0-15-1 without him.

[CaptainKickass]

Flynn and MM both need Flynn to look more like a Matt Hasselbeck style QB than whatever the fuck they've been trying to do.

[red]

that wasn't lacy's fault, that ball was tipped

you still have to give your QB time to get off the screen

[channtheman]

We seriously only have 61 yards! That is amazing!

[woodbuck27]

Ohh Ohh are we trying too hard now?

Lacy missed that one. Maybe he's surprized to get the call and pass?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Send in Pederson

[red]

yup

so much for flynns confidence and swagger

he's one jumpy mother fucker out there

[channtheman]

Please be offsides!!!! I knew it was too good to be true. Is this game over yet?

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Stupid pass. If there's no where to go, take off.

[CaptainKickass]

Ok - buh bye all - Happy t-day.

[channtheman]

Need another TD off a turnover. LOL.

[woodbuck27]

Dear GOD....this game is out of control...another pick and Packer penalty (illegal formation - declined by the LIons).

Lions ball>>>>

[red]

this is a full team quit

IR rodgers in the morning, no point in risking him the rest of the year for this cast of players

[woodbuck27]

Come on 'D' >>>> SCORE ! :whist:

[KalamazooPackerFan]

I know you have to break down to tackle but do you have to totally stop your move on the player with the ball?

[Guiness]

I think Flynn thought he had a free play on that INT, but the penalty ending up being against the O. Very ill-advised throw

[woodbuck27]

this is a full team quit

IR rodgers in the morning, no point in risking him the rest of the year for this cast of players

Yea!

Let's talk more about the draft and FA's >>this season is doomed with this team.

Tear it up >>> start again in 2014.

[red]

hey look, tramon is showing his first ounce of fight this season

[woodbuck27]

Damn I'm in some shock.

Somehow a big part of me wanted to believe ....but not enough of me got there.

[channtheman]

Stafford seemingly said, "please sack me" and when no one was there to sack him, he said "okay, I'll throw it away."

[channtheman]

"All kinds of time left in this one." I think when you have only 40 yards of offense, it doesn't matter how much time is left.

[Harlan Huckleby]

FX is running "Kung Fu Panda 2", I'm switching. Happy Thanksgiving

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Stafford seemingly said, "please sack me" and when no one was there to sack him, he said "okay, I'll throw it away."

This. The best example of what McCarthy refers to as not finishing. Our players play like they expect the other guys to fall down when they get close.

[red]

that is a QB with no confidence in his line

[woodbuck27]

The Lions are 7/9 on rd downs...they havn't had to punt this hame.

OK it's still there with a 2 possession game.

I'd give anything for us to get a TD just to see what MM does with the extra point (or 2 point conversion).

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Can't blame this on Flynn. No one should bet through a double team that easy. He's been under duress all day.

[Badgerinmaine]

Flynn can't get away from anything. What the hell, why not throw Tolzein in.

[red]

wow

lang and newhouse FUCK YOU GUYS

i'm embarassed to be a packer fan today knowing the whole world is watching us play like this today

[Infamous]

dam suh is a monster

[channtheman]

I do think the results would be different with Rodgers announcer. That's a massive insult to the best QB in the league.

[woodbuck27]

The Lions are 7/9 on rd downs...they havn't had to punt this hame.

OK it's still there with a 2 possession game.

I'd give anything for us to get a TD just to see what MM does with the extra point (or 2 point conversion).

That thought.... is gone.... with that Dumb a thun Suh ....safety.

It's now going to be an official loss...Lions 26 - Packers 10.

Damn !!

[Badgerinmaine]

Looks like we're all speechless. I've seen better lines that were drawn by second graders.

[channtheman]

Here is the question. Can the Lions and Bears both lose 2 more games this year to finish 9-7? Can Rodgers come back and the Packers win their last 4 games and win the division at 9-6-1?

[LEWCWA]

wow this team is bad. I haven't been able to watch much this season and I am shocked how gutless this team looks! It should be about 100-0 by now.

[Badgerinmaine]

Here is the question. Can the Lions and Bears both lose 2 more games this year to finish 9-7? Can Rodgers come back and the Packers win their last 4 games and win the division at 9-6-1?
Yes, but not if the Packers don't get better line play than this.

[Infamous]

smart tramon

[channtheman]

These are the same Lions that lost to the 2-8 Bucs at home last week.

[Freak Out]

FX is running "Kung Fu Panda 2", I'm switching. Happy Thanksgiving

LOL. Happy Thanksgiving all!

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Tramon looking like an ass. You haven't played well enough to be pissed at anybody but yourself!

[Badgerinmaine]

It also depends in part of whether you think the Eagles are for real or not--both the Bears and Lions play them in Philly.
Skeds left
Bears: at Minn., Dallas, at Cleveland, at Philly, Green Bay
Lions: at Philly, Baltimore, NY Giants, at Minn.

[Badgerinmaine]

These are the same Lions that lost to the 2-8 Bucs at home last week.
Yup. Is there a more up and down team in the league besides Detroit? Maybe the Eagles?

[KalamazooPackerFan]

This is why other teams pick up former Packers. TThompson can pick the talent but the coaches can't develop it. Case in point: that last punt return. Ross as better for us BEFORE he got any coaching!

[woodbuck27]

Tramon looking like an ass. You haven't played well enough to be pissed at anybody but yourself!

He must go! I can deal with his chippy antics after he's blown a play. That's 'just' stupid. Act professional....please!
This is an important win for Detroit but for the Green Bay Packers...a humiliation.

Ohh the SCORE is now LIONS 33 - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>> Packers 10.

Our team is simply...worn out ...beaten up..down down down ... terrible.

[woodbuck27]

If Aaron does come back and we somehow win games.

I hope that TT learns so much from this skid and what he has as a team.

[channtheman]

It also depends in part of whether you think the Eagles are for real or not--both the Bears and Lions play them in Philly.
Skeds left
Bears: at Minn., Dallas, at Cleveland, at Philly, Green Bay
Lions: at Philly, Baltimore, NY Giants, at Minn.

Bears lose to Dallas and us.

Lions lose to Philly and a toss up between Baltimore/Giants.

[channtheman]

Though what does it really mean to go to the playoffs with this defense?

[Infamous]

56 yards

[woodbuck27]

This is why other teams pick up former Packers. TThompson can pick the talent but the coaches can't develop it. Case in point: that last punt return. Ross as better for us BEFORE he got any coaching!

SLOCUM has to be at least wonderin' if TT will arrive where you have.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

56 yards

This must be in the top five worst offensive games ever!

[channtheman]

Isn't it amazing that Slocum has been with the team so long? He's be terrible for as long as I can remember, and yet he's still on the team.

[Infamous]

holy crap lions look good

[bobblehead]

We've all known deep down that the season was over when we couldn't win a game with 4 tries without Rodgers. I think the realization today, that mathematically it will nearly be over is what might be getting to some people. But still, if Rodgers makes it back for the next game, we could win out and still potentially win the division at 9-6-1. Right? RIGHT?!

The problem is that this team doesn't look like it could win a game with Rodgers either at this point. He doesn't play D, or block for himself.

[channtheman]

And there is your DAGGER!

[Badgerinmaine]

This is why other teams pick up former Packers. TThompson can pick the talent but the coaches can't develop it. Case in point: that last punt return. Ross as better for us BEFORE he got any coaching!
You may be on to something.

[woodbuck27]

Ohh No Mr. Bill... not another Lions TD.

Lions running it up to 40 - 10.

Calm down !

[Infamous]

The problem is that this team doesn't look like it could win a game with Rodgers either at this point. He doesn't play D, or block for himself.

RIGHT! what happened???

[channtheman]

The problem is that this team doesn't look like it could win a game with Rodgers either at this point. He doesn't play D, or block for himself.

I hear ya. Early on though, Rodgers see's Quarless wide open and hits him a couple times. That in turn opens the running game up and this game looks completely different with the Lions having to respect the run game. Now our offense is on the field and the defense has less time to look terrible.

[Badgerinmaine]

All right, now I'm just effing angry. This is a pathetic effort.

[Infamous]

You may be on to something.

+1

[Badgerinmaine]

When was the last time the Packers ended with under 100 yards of total offense?

[channtheman]

We've looked bad since Rodgers went down, but this is our first blowout loss. Do heads finally roll with this one?

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Any Sunday afternoon they'd switch to another game. Since they can't do that, I'm switching to somethign else myself....missed the l;ast episode of Blacklist anyway. Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

[channtheman]

I don't want us to get a first down here, actually. I'd rather we punt it back.

[Infamous]

When was the last time the Packers ended with under 100 yards of total offense?


Whats the total now?

[channtheman]

Wish we could have seen that all game. I feel we missed a huge opportunity today, cause i feel like that should have been there all day.

[woodbuck27]

Fucking Officials missed that leading with the helmut hit to Jordy's upper chest.

That was fucking brutal.

and anyway since when is Jordy Nelson used as a bale out guy or for inside short slant routes???

Get a backup QB TT.

How many throws did we see downfield to Nelson and Jones today?

Ohh hell there's one to James Jones now for 5 yards.

Finally Mike ...good call.

[Infamous]

wow..debacle

[channtheman]

LOL. DAGGER!

On one play, we had nearly as many yards as we did the whole game.

[red]

this is by far the most embarrassed i have ever been as a packer fan

[Bossman641]

So I just noticed sherrod was in. When did he come in

[woodbuck27]

Then Flynn fumbles.....

How do you spell the word 'clean'....TT.

As in.... Please Ted Thompson ... Please clean up this ugly mess on the Packers roster.

[PA Pack Fan]

Are we done with the Matt Flynn era? Please!
He sucked as hard as anyone today.

[red]

well, pugger really fucked this thing up this week didn't she?

[channtheman]

well, pugger really fucked this thing up this week didn't she?

I was thinking about that a few minutes ago.

[red]

Are we done with the Matt Flynn era? Please!
He sucked as hard as anyone today.

you gonna put tolzien back in?

he was just as bad last week against the fucking vikings

[PA Pack Fan]

you gonna put tolzien back in?

he was just as bad last week against the fucking vikings
I seriously thought Tolzien deserved to start the second half.

[red]

I seriously thought Tolzien deserved to start the second half.

maybe, but i don't see him playing any better with that line. he can't check down to find the open receiver either. so it just would have been tolzien getting sacked 50 times and throwing into triple coverage instead of flynn

i agree with what aikmen said late, we wouldn't have won that game with a-rod either

[woodbuck27]

I seriously thought Tolzien deserved to start the second half.

By tomorrow or Saturday... we'll learn that Matt Flynn is injured and then (maybe?).... it's Tolzien Time again.

It'll be bigger then Hammer Time.

Stay tuned.

[PA Pack Fan]

By tomorrow or Saturday... we'll learn that Matt Flynn is injured and then (maybe?).... it's Tolzien Time again.

It'll be bigger then Hammer Time.

Stay tuned.
ha. I'd be giving Vince Young a call. No way he was worse than these two idiots.

[red]

Here is the question. Can the Lions and Bears both lose 2 more games this year to finish 9-7? Can Rodgers come back and the Packers win their last 4 games and win the division at 9-6-1?

its best we don't make the playoffs

we just gave up 560 yards to the lions and our o-line is a major problem at this point

i don't see any way we make the playoffs and then win 4 straight against really good teams

[red]

By tomorrow or Saturday... we'll learn that Matt Flynn is injured and then (maybe?).... it's Tolzien Time again.

It'll be bigger then Hammer Time.

Stay tuned.

you can't do that. you still need a backup qb

tolzien might get another start, but flynn won't be put on IR

[PA Pack Fan]

its best we don't make the playoffs

we just gave up 560 yards to the lions and our o-line is a major problem at this point

i don't see any way we make the playoffs and then win 4 straight against really good teams It would only lead to another embarrassment on prime time tv.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013112800/2013/REG13/packers@lions#menu=drivechart&tab=recap

Now there's a mess.

[woodbuck27]

you can't do that. you still need a backup qb

tolzien might get another start, but flynn won't be put on IR

red with this team nothing surprizes me anymore. I mean anyway you hit on it.

With the state of the Packer OL anyone behind center is a tackling dummy. If MM allows Aaron Rodgers back in then .... his collarbone better be 100$ healed.

I can't see this team coming back now. It's not like that loss to Detroit when we recovered and went into the playoffs and ran all the way to the Super Bowl. This team is just 'plain and simple' defective all over on 'D'.

Detroit come on ....put 40 points up on us today and we were fortunate to not see 60 up on the scoreboard.

We had that eearly Bye and the results of that and all the injuries and the heat on the 'D' has taken it's tole.

The Green Bay Packers are toast for the 2013 season.

[red]

ha. I'd be giving Vince Young a call. No way he was worse than these two idiots.

vince might have had a chance today scrambling out of broken pockets

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Not sure we will win another game even with arod the way offense and defense are playing. I 2nd red, most embarrassed I can remember and I been watching for a long time. Almost like the whole team has given up.

[red]

The problem is that this team doesn't look like it could win a game with Rodgers either at this point. He doesn't play D, or block for himself.

ding ding ding

[woodbuck27]

Not sure we will win another game even with arod the way offense and defense are playing. I 2nd red, most embarrassed I can remember and I been watching for a long time. Almost like the whole team has given up.

There as a whole trying. Some are invisible and will be leaving Green Bay after this season.

The team simply lacks depth in terms of talent and overall needs more on 'D' and on the OL.

The Packers are two - three seasons away from being serious contenders again. That not considering the decent talent we may lose in FA.

These guys want the $Bucks$ today and if it can't come from TT; then some team will overpay.

TT better get bust or we lose Sam Shields and/or James jones. Talent that is legit and groomed in Green bay for some other team?

I say it's time to take stock and remove all deadwood and not be in any serious hurry to get the team properly prepared for a serious Super Bowl challenge. The team we support today even healthy isn't enough. We saw that last season. Not a whole lot has turned more positive.

[woodbuck27]

Not sure we will win another game even with arod the way offense and defense are playing. I 2nd red, most embarrassed I can remember and I been watching for a long time. Almost like the whole team has given up.

After that long response to you I must simply add:

I'm personally again this week...sad.

Not disappointed....sad.

[woodbuck27]

Pugger !??

Uhh !?? Where were you?

[mmmdk]

Happy Thanksgiving.

50 out 53 drafted by TT. Not a TT basher but beginning to Wonder.

Free Agency abandoned yet yielded studs as Chuck, Pickett & trade for Grant.

I said last season that without Rodgers the Packers were just like the Colts without Manning; a 2-14 team. This season is the proof of that.

Packer org. blowing/blew chance of dynasty - Aaron must be sick to the gut!

Coaching staff blew it; makes them look fortunate and not at all talented...more like Barry Switzer coaches.

[channtheman]

Yeah, you know we aren't a good team when the starting QB goes down and we can't come out 2-3 or 3-2 against divisional rivals and flat out BAD teams. This team sucks.

[denverYooper]

Not sure we will win another game even with arod the way offense and defense are playing. I 2nd red, most embarrassed I can remember and I been watching for a long time. Almost like the whole team has given up.

The game is totally different with Rodgers. If Detroit gave him 3 extra possessions in the first half, the Packers would have been up 20 at halftime and the complexion of the game changes.

[denverYooper]

Jeremy Ross sure looked good today.

[denverYooper]

its best we don't make the playoffs

we just gave up 560 yards to the lions and our o-line is a major problem at this point

i don't see any way we make the playoffs and then win 4 straight against really good teams

Yeah, it makes you wonder if Rodgers going down has exposed the team's several flaws. I'm not sure they make it very far in the playoffs as currently constituted, but people are crazy to think that they don't win games with Rodgers leading the offense.

[woodbuck27]

Jeremy Ross sure looked good today.

I believe that he's a very satisfied young man.

Someone needs to tell him not to pat himself too much on the back for his returns though.

Our kick and punt return coverage team left the building again today.

[PA Pack Fan]

Jeremy Ross sure looked good today.
Hopefully, you don't get run over by a bus.

[denverYooper]

Our kick and punt return coverage team left the building again today.

Yeah. So much fail there.

What is up with them fair catching punts inside of the 5!?!?

I'd give Hyde 1/2 credit for that safety.

[denverYooper]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 17m

T.J. Lang: We didn’t have any production on offense. Probably the worst (expletive) offensive day in the history of the (expletive) #Packers

[denverYooper]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 37m

Sitton: "[Rodgers] is the best player on this team. Yeah we need him, but there’s a lot more going on than just that."

[denverYooper]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 53m

Asked four #Packers defenders about Capers. They all say he's not the issue, for what that's worth.

[denverYooper]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2m

Talking w/ Don Barclay, Marshall Newhouse didn't rep at RG at all this week and then draws Suh. He's struggled but that's a tough assignment

[pittstang5]

I missed the entire game and just checked the score about 30 min ago. I had a feeling all through the Thanksgiving feast that the Packers just might come out on top. My brother in law must have put something in the turkey. All I could do was laugh when I saw the score. What a hoot!

So who got injured, cause there's no way the Packers can escape any game without someone getting hurt.

My next question - When's the draft, cause I'm done with this team this year.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 37m

Sitton: "[Rodgers] is the best player on this team. Yeah we need him, but there’s a lot more going on than just that."

No shit??

[Freak Out]

Only 20 pages. Damn fairweather fans. :)

[Joemailman]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 53m

Asked four #Packers defenders about Capers. They all say he's not the issue, for what that's worth.

It's worth nothing. I can remember Packer players after the 1991 season saying Lindy Infante shouldn't be fired.

[woodbuck27]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 17m

T.J. Lang: We didn’t have any production on offense. Probably the worst (expletive) offensive day in the history of the (expletive) #Packers

I was thinking about that this evening. Trying to recall when I felt the team get so beaten up.

40-10 or defeated by 30 points.

Offense by Detroit 330 yards passing and 211 yards rushing = 541 yards of total offense .

Packers passing = 139 yards; Packers rushing an unbelievable low... I'm looking at this in total disbelief..20 yards.

Eddie Lacy managed 16 yards of rushing on 10 carries. I'm nearly puking trying to type this.

Matt Flynn ran for 4 yards on 2 carries.

That's beyond anything described as bad.

How is Mike McCarthy going to handle this post game?

I'll respect him if he simply informs us of how he truly feels and no silly sugar coating.

I can't wait for this regular season to end and see TT make the necessary changes.

I'm in some sort of shock I don't truly understand. I mean it's like grieving and I know that this team needs a big overhaul.

I observed Wist43 trying so hard to inform you people of what we really had on 'D'. I totally agreed with this member as it became obvious to me that he was most likely correct. I don't know why more members here couldn't get past whatever it was that held many of you back from believing him. He'a a Packer fan and on your side. He realized last season that Dom Capers wasn't working.

We all know that Slocum isn't working.

The secondary isn't working and our DL isn't getting it done.

Are we going to blame it on adversity and a trickle down effect?

Wist43: First I realize he's not well. I hope it's a health issue that he can contain.

No solid knowledgeable fan such as Wist43 is would commit to informing y'all as he did without serious consideration for his TRUTH. Did he go so far with his concern for y'all and trying to help you understand that he fell ill? I don't know.

I simply hope that Wist43 is OK.

That aside the question now is......

What will TT and MM do about this?

There are some really smart Packer fans here. How long do we excuse this and that and lay blame on adversity? Adversity and bad luck in terms of injury is simply a part of the NFL and being capable of handling that. It's how a team deals with adversity that sifts the good from the mediocre teams.

We saw MM's call and the shift on the OL before this season began. It was my impression then that the Packers OL isn't strong nor deep enough.

The DL in a 3-4 defense isn't effective without a solid pass rush and run 'D' supported by a solid LB core.

The Packer secondary is simply weak physically and somehow confused in terms of assignments.

It just goes on and on and on ...on both sides of the LOS and with ST's and the conditioning staff and well all over.

I'm just sick of seeing it get to this. I shouldn't post this and don't have any answers. I wish I had some answers.

I'm simply ... a simple Packer fan in some grief. I'm not even venting as I don't have the energy for that.

PACKERS !

[Joemailman]

Jeremy Ross sure looked good today.

Thursday games suck. 6 long days until we can revive the Fire Slocum Thread.

[pbmax]

I am going to channel wist right now and ask why are we in the nickel 2-4 on 2nd and 1?

I started watching this after I stopped being wildly optimistic about the outcome. They went nickel 2-4 every time Detroit went 3 WR, no matter down and distance. Strictly personnel matchup. And when they ran on it, it worked. But the Oakie didn't hold up to the run either.

[pbmax]

dam suh is a monster

Normally I agree but I haven't seen a weaker double team in a long time. Lang one armed him, which could be his assignment (check both A gaps when not covered) but Newhouse acted like he was going to get help.

[pbmax]

So I just noticed sherrod was in. When did he come in

Last two series, he came in after Lane Taylor replaced Newhouse at guard after Newhouse gave up the safety.

Sherrod looked assignment sure and had two good pass block sets. He got to the second level on a LB for a run to the right but someone broke free and killed the play before the rb got to the hole.

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2m

Talking w/ Don Barclay, Marshall Newhouse didn't rep at RG at all this week and then draws Suh. He's struggled but that's a tough assignment

That is damming unless he has repped other weeks. I wonder why no Barclay switch to Guard?

[pbmax]

In other news. I held out hope that Perry would put some spine in the run defense and he had a couple of forces., but the D line is just giving up away too much room.

And when the LBs do come in free, they either miss tackles or get dragged for yardage.

Pickett is having horrible year on the nose. His injury is bad or he is done.

[pbmax]

And yes, Jeremy Ross is a pretty big indictment of the Special Teams coaches. He should stayed as a punt returner and not dismissed when he struggled as a kick returner.

[woodbuck27]

And yes, Jeremy Ross is a pretty big indictment of the Special Teams coaches. He should stayed as a punt returner and not dismissed when he struggled as a kick returner.

It'll be interesting to see all that the Lions can get out of Jeremy Ross. He had a solid game.

[Pugger]

In other news. I held out hope that Perry would put some spine in the run defense and he had a couple of forces., but the D line is just giving up away too much room.

And when the LBs do come in free, they either miss tackles or get dragged for yardage.

Pickett is having horrible year on the nose. His injury is bad or he is done.

I thought Pickett looked good before his knee went to hell.

[bobblehead]

Happy Thanksgiving.

50 out 53 drafted by TT. Not a TT basher but beginning to Wonder.

Free Agency abandoned yet yielded studs as Chuck, Pickett & trade for Grant.

I said last season that without Rodgers the Packers were just like the Colts without Manning; a 2-14 team. This season is the proof of that.

Packer org. blowing/blew chance of dynasty - Aaron must be sick to the gut!

Coaching staff blew it; makes them look fortunate and not at all talented...more like Barry Switzer coaches.

Over react much?

what you should say is 57 out of 60 drafted by TT, because injuries certainly hurt this team. I said before the season started that losing Bulaga was a huge blow. I had such high hopes of Bulaga/Sherrod manning the edges when TC started. Take that away and replace with rookie 4th and undrafted FA and it changes things. Now break Cobbs leg. hurt Barclay, Take JJones away for stretches and break ARods collarbone and its not ever going to be pretty.

Coming into next TC we could be looking at an OL of Sherrod, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bulaga with Bach as top backup. A new DC and we will all be pissing red from the cherry kool aid we are guzzling. And just imagine if a safety emerges and we draft an ILB.

[bobblehead]

I believe that he's a very satisfied young man.

Someone needs to tell him not to pat himself too much on the back for his returns though.

Our kick and punt return coverage team left the building again today.

He can't be mad at GB for cutting him, he couldn't hold onto the fucking ball. Thats on him.

[bobblehead]

Last two series, he came in after Lane Taylor replaced Newhouse at guard after Newhouse gave up the safety.

Sherrod looked assignment sure and had two good pass block sets. He got to the second level on a LB for a run to the right but someone broke free and killed the play before the rb got to the hole.

I am getting the distinct feeling that MM isn't confident giving him a heavy workload yet. I think we see him play sparingly for the rest of the season, adding a handful of snaps each week.

[channtheman]

It'll be interesting to see all that the Lions can get out of Jeremy Ross. He had a solid game.

It's very difficult to gauge the ability of a player when they have gone against a Slocum ST.

[woodbuck27]

Over react much?

what you should say is 57 out of 60 drafted by TT, because injuries certainly hurt this team. I said before the season started that losing Bulaga was a huge blow. I had such high hopes of Bulaga/Sherrod manning the edges when TC started. Take that away and replace with rookie 4th and undrafted FA and it changes things. Now break Cobbs leg. hurt Barclay, Take JJones away for stretches and break ARods collarbone and its not ever going to be pretty.

Coming into next TC we could be looking at an OL of Sherrod, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bulaga with Bach as top backup. A new DC and we will all be pissing red from the cherry kool aid we are guzzling. And just imagine if a safety emerges and we draft an ILB.

Good morning /Day bobblehead:

I awoke early this morning and went straight to Packers.Com and began to review the BLOG there from just after the Packers victory over the Detroit Lions at Lambeau Field this season. That was a completely different Packer team/relatively healthy roster... back then. We did suffer some loss's out of that game ie Francois .... and after that it just got worse.

Injuries have crippled this team with the BIG BLOW >>> Aaron Rodgers.

We know why he gets paid the $ BIG MONEY$; the fact he's the Packers MVP (demonstrated clearly) when he's not playing (or injured).

Your suggestions and focus for this coming off season work for me.

Packer DC Dom Capers might serve himself best by announcing that he'll be leaving the Green Bay Packers at the conclusion of this season. He won't go there because like us he's on an Aaron Rodgers watch. As Packer fans we're aware where the weakness's are as a result of AR's absence. As fans we must accept that any changes in terms of coaching and the roster, will be as always, in the capable hands of Packer GM Ted Thompson.

Your point bobblehead.... beginning early this season. RE: the loss of Bryan Bulaga and the Derrick Sherrod situation (he finally saw the field yesterday in that loss to the LIONS) is accurate in terms of it's immense detriment to the Green Bay Packers overall success in terms of the Offensive Line. We know what 'deadwood' must be removed and have certain optimism for a solid OL in the future.

I agree with you here. To understand why the Packers are where they are now we merely must reflect on the status of these players this season:

a) Randall Cobb

b) Clay Matthews III

c) James Jones

d) Tracy Hayward

That list as we know .... goes on... and on.

Before I went to bed last night I took stock of it all and I realized this:

It will be OK. :grin:

This morning I can end my post in the usual way:

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

He can't be mad at GB for cutting him, he couldn't hold onto the fucking ball. Thats on him.

My position on former Green Bay Packer J. Ross is that he had a solid game yesterday. I'm merely a Packer fan and have zero control over who is retained on the roster or not.

I have no idea 'specifically' what he feels about being cut by the Packers. If his reaction is available online I've never researched that.

As a long time Pro sports fan I'm well aware of this:

The normal reaction of a Pro is to want to make the former team somehow regret that. Both sides know the scoop on this.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

It's very difficult to gauge the ability of a player when they have gone against a Slocum ST.

Certainly ... I agree.

[woodbuck27]

I thought Pickett looked good before his knee went to hell.

We may be seeing the last of Ryan Pickett. He's been a good Green bay Packer.

Go PACKERS !

[denverYooper]

In other news. I held out hope that Perry would put some spine in the run defense and he had a couple of forces., but the D line is just giving up away too much room.

And when the LBs do come in free, they either miss tackles or get dragged for yardage.

Pickett is having horrible year on the nose. His injury is bad or he is done.

He looked a lot better before the Bears game. After he injured his knee, he lost his ability to anchor as well.

[woodbuck27]

The last word....

A) '30' unanswered Lions points.

B) With approx. 4 minutes remaining in the 4th Qtr. The Lions had out scored the Packers by a ratio of 10:1.

C) The Lions more than doubled the Packers’ time of possession. LIONS: 40:26 and PACKERS: 19:34

D) The Lions’ rushed for 241 yards. The Packers rushed for Dear Lord....24 Yards. There's that 10:1 ratio again.

So today we get...

Detroit Lions (7-5-0)

Green Bay Packers (5-6-1)

Playoff's!? Is it over?

NO !

Roland 'the Gunslinger' exhausted and mortally wounded continues to trek north along the beach .... falling ...he crawls. He continues his quest for 'the Dark Tower'.


GO PACK GO !

[denverYooper]

Look at Woodbuck holding down the fort.

Nice Dark Tower reference, BTW. That's a series I need to re-read.

[KYPack]

This is a bit of a cry for help, but dept............

Did anyone see how Sherrod did at RT yesterday?

By that point in the game, I couldn't really watch anymore.

Too disgusted, nauseated, etc.

[bobblehead]

This is a bit of a cry for help, but dept............

Did anyone see how Sherrod did at RT yesterday?

By that point in the game, I couldn't really watch anymore.

Too disgusted, nauseated, etc.

I left for turkey at a friends house and deleted my recording before I left. I hadn't even realized he finally got in the game, and now I'm mad at myself.

[red]

This is a bit of a cry for help, but dept............

Did anyone see how Sherrod did at RT yesterday?

By that point in the game, I couldn't really watch anymore.

Too disgusted, nauseated, etc.

i've heard from some places that he looked like crap, and other places say he played well. by that point in the game i had lost all interest so i have no clue how he really played

the fact that the coaches have been saying how great he looks, but the reality that he still can't beat out newhouse who has been horrible is a bit confusing to me

[KYPack]

Thanks, boys.

I'm glad nobody else was watching either.

Now, we'll never know how he did.

You can't believe our coaches or the reporters at this point.

[Joemailman]

i've heard from some places that he looked like crap, and other places say he played well. by that point in the game i had lost all interest so i have no clue how he really played

the fact that the coaches have been saying how great he looks, but the reality that he still can't beat out newhouse who has been horrible is a bit confusing to me





Thanks, boys.

I'm glad nobody else was watching either.

Now, we'll never know how he did.

You can't believe our coaches or the reporters at this point.

Earlier in thread, PB had this to say about Sherrod.


Last two series, he came in after Lane Taylor replaced Newhouse at guard after Newhouse gave up the safety.

Sherrod looked assignment sure and had two good pass block sets. He got to the second level on a LB for a run to the right but someone broke free and killed the play before the rb got to the hole.

[Rastak]

i've heard from some places that he looked like crap, and other places say he played well. by that point in the game i had lost all interest so i have no clue how he really played

the fact that the coaches have been saying how great he looks, but the reality that he still can't beat out newhouse who has been horrible is a bit confusing to me


Profootball focus had him playing 6 snaps and an average performance (-0.3) and allowing a hurry.

[woodbuck27]

Profootball focus had him playing 6 snaps and an average performance (-0.3) and allowing a hurry.


Ahh you and PFF. Taking every advantage Eh!? :-)

The Pro Pickem.


PFF is a solid resource.

All the same:

I've got the game recorded in it's excruciating entirety.

I'll study Sherrod's performance and report back on what I see possibly on Saturday.

[Rastak]

Ahh you and PFF. Taking every advantage Eh!? :-)

The Pro Pickem.


PFF is a solid resource.

All the same:

I've got the game recorded in it's excruciating entirety.

I'll study Sherrod's performance and report back on what I see possibly on Saturday.


PFF and rating the Vikings performance hasn't been a fun read this season. I think they have Chad Greenway as one of the worst linebackers in the league.

[woodbuck27]

Look at Woodbuck holding down the fort.

Nice Dark Tower reference, BTW. That's a series I need to re-read.

Yea Roland is tough. Packer fans don't nearly have to muster up that sort of strength. This is simply a rough patch. One I fear could really blow up in the faces of TT and MM and the coaching staff unless they use due prudence.

I certainly wouldn't... as things are going now and with all that's being revealed... rush Aaron Rodgers back this season.

The fish are out of the barrel. It's best to simply dig them into the ground ... there they rot.

My Roland the Gunslinger reference isn't King verbatim. It's rather what I recall in my minds eye from an early scene from Stephen King's second book 'The Drawing Of The Three'... or book two of the four book 'The Dark Tower' Series.

That particular book I discovered is simply brilliant. Some King experts say ... his best writing.

Reading a good book again after it's had a long rest isn't a bad idea. Like a god movie you pick up more the second time around.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

PFF and rating the Vikings performance hasn't been a fun read this season. I think they have Chad Greenway as one of the worst linebackers in the league.

Stat's often mislead.

You know that Rastak.

I noted that the three teams that lost on Thanksgiving Day all had a better Toxic Differential than their opponent.

Chad Greenway will be fine.

[Rastak]

Yea Roland is tough. Packer fans don't nearly have to muster up that sort of strength. This is simply a rough patch. One I fear could really blow up in the faces of TT and MM and the coaching staff unless they use due prudence.

I certainly wouldn't... as things are going now and with all that's being revealed... rush Aaron Rodgers back this season.

The fish are out of the barrel. It's best to simply dig them into the ground ... there they rot.

My Roland the Gunslinger reference isn't King verbatim. It's rather what I recall in my minds eye from an early scene from Stephen King's second book 'The Drawing Of The Three'... or book two of the four book 'The Dark Tower' Series.

That particular book I discovered is simply brilliant. Some King experts say ... his best writing.

Reading a good book again after it's had a long rest isn't a bad idea. Like a god movie you pick up more the second time around.

PACKERS !


Off topic but King lost me on the second or third book of that series.....hasn't happened often but I chucked it - many many years ago mind you - when he first wrote it. Maybe it was the style or maybe I wasn't patient enough.

[Rastak]

Stat's often mislead.

You know that Rastak.

I noted that the three teams that lost on Thanksgiving Day all had a better Toxic Differential than their opponent.

Chad Greenway will be fine.


Pro Football Focus doesn't lean completely on stats. They rate every snap a player plays and factor in garbage time etc etc. If you give up a catch underneath when you're playing prevent they don't dock you as much as when the game is on the line and you do the same thing in a man to man defense.

[woodbuck27]

Pro Football Focus doesn't lean completely on stats. They rate every snap a player plays and factor in garbage time etc etc. If you give up a catch underneath when you're playing prevent they don't dock you as much as when the game is on the line and you do the same thing in a man to man defense.

I've been paying more attention to PFF this season.

I've a ways to go before understanding it's merits concerning what I can count on or trust.

[Rastak]

I've been paying more attention to PFF this season.

I've a ways to go before understanding it's merits concerning what I can count on or trust.


To be honest, I know they are highly respected but I scratch my head sometimes. Then again I don't study film.

[woodbuck27]

It's very difficult to gauge the ability of a player when they have gone against a Slocum ST.

RE: Now a Detroit Lion and Sept. 23,2013 cut by the Packers ....Jeremy Ross:

Jeremy Ross' Instant Fantasy Reaction After Week 13

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1869344-jeremy-ross-instant-fantasy-reaction-after-week-13

[Pugger]

Thanks, boys.

I'm glad nobody else was watching either.

Now, we'll never know how he did.

You can't believe our coaches or the reporters at this point.

Coaches aren't gonna throw players under the bus publicly. If Sherrod sees more and more playing time these next 4 weeks that will tell us a lot.