FIRE McCarthy

[red]

I hereby declare Tuesdays to be fire mike mccarthy day

He is absolutely nothing without a HOF QB

He cant get things fixed, he cant develop talent, and he cant adjust to anything

Bring in a winner, get rid of this human slug

[woodbuck27]

Hey red:

Have you talked to Ted Thompson yet?

I understand that Ted comes out of his office every Thursday afternoon to pick up his mail and get some Vitamin D.

He'll be that guy with a cloak over his head at Lombardi Ave. You can't miss him.

http://www.totalpackers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/big-ted-thompson.jpg

A rare Ted Thompson sighting. Ted enjoying a sunny day.

[Joemailman]

I hereby declare Tuesdays to be fire mike mccarthy day

He is absolutely nothing without a HOF QB

He cant get things fixed, he cant develop talent, and he cant adjust to anything

Bring in a winner, get rid of this human slug

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/3225270+_296e3ff10567c40ccbec57a7ca6e43b7.jpg

[woodbuck27]

I don't know red. You might be tearing off more than you can chew on this one. Maybe think about this article from an honored news source.

http://www.totalpackers.com/2013/07/25/ted-thompson-is-in-love-with-mike-mccarthy/

Ted Thompson is in Love with Mike McCarthy

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130724/PKR01/307240464

Ted Thompson, who took over as the Packers’ general manager in 2005, on his eighth-year coach, Mike McCarthy.

"...“He’s not only a good coach but an excellent motivator and excellent leader,” Thompson said during his 10-minute report to shareholders on the football operations. “In January 2006, we were looking for the right man to lead this football team. ... I thank God every day that he’s the Green Bay Packers’ head coach.”... " Ted Thompson

red:

I get it from that information that Mike has made a pretty sweet impression on Ted.

[woodbuck27]

I hereby declare Tuesdays to be fire mike mccarthy day

He is absolutely nothing without a HOF QB

He cant get things fixed, he cant develop talent, and he cant adjust to anything

Bring in a winner, get rid of this human slug

Now I've been thinking and the words for the day:

Baby steps.... Why go after the Big Kaahuuna?

Why not simply take 'baby steps' and go after shit canning the Packers Medical Staff:

http://www.totalpackers.com/2013/10/17/heres-latest-comedy-errors-packers-medical-staff/

You may already have this in your memory bank:

Here’s the Latest Comedy of Errors From Packers Medical Staff

Comment woodbuck27:

I dedicate this post to the memory of former Packer WR Charles Johnson who I imagine is dragging himself around somewhere and dreaming of hauling in pass's from some Super Bowl bound QB.

[red]

Highly motivated? Wtf?

Nt one time have i evr thought, boy this team is really motivated today. More times then not they come out looking lost and slow.

I think its been a huge problem over the year that m3's teams have often come out looking unmotivated and unprepared. Thats one of the main reason i disliked our coach well beforethe arod injury. That and the fact that he is completely incapable of adjusting his game plan during a game.

If ted has his head so far up his own ass that he thinks that highly of m3 then we are completely fucked as a team long term

IMO

[woodbuck27]

Highly motivated? Wtf?

Nt one time have i evr thought, boy this team is really motivated today. More times then not they come out looking lost and slow.

I think its been a huge problem over the year that m3's teams have often come out looking unmotivated and unprepared. Thats one of the main reason i disliked our coach well beforethe arod injury. That and the fact that he is completely incapable of adjusting his game plan during a game.

If ted has his head so far up his own ass that he thinks that highly of m3 then we are completely fucked as a team long term

IMO

If Mike imagines that his Packer crew is all set to squab the decks.

I hope that he took some time to watch Saints @ Seahawks this past MNF game.

The Seahawks. Now there is a definition of looking 'motivated'.

[Rastak]

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/3225270+_296e3ff10567c40ccbec57a7ca6e43b7.jpg


:-P

[Pugger]

Okay, fine. Let's can McCarthy. Who do you suggest TT replace him with? Cowher? It took him longer to win a SB than MM and he's been out of coaching for while. I would think we should get someone who will win another before Rodgers retires. Gruden? What has Gruden ever done - besides win a SB with players assembled and coached by somebody else? Lovie? I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Capers but not as the head man.

We are going thru a crappy time but I submit most HCs would be floundering without a competent QB too. Some point to Belichick's team going 11-5 without Brady. But I think Cassel is a little better than Flynn and Tolzien.

[Jimx29]

I hereby declare Tuesdays to be fire mike mccarthy day

He is absolutely nothing without a HOF QB

He cant get things fixed, he cant develop talent, and he cant adjust to anything

Bring in a winner, get rid of this human slug

"proud" to claim i've never had any inkling in changing my siggy for 99.5% of tubbys reign

[packrulz]

I think M3 babies the team too much, but I don't think he should be fired. He has a great offensive mind. I did expect our defense to pick up the slack though, especially the way TT has been drafting defensive players the last couple of years, so I will understand if Dom Capers is fired.

[woodbuck27]

I think M3 babies the team too much, but I don't think he should be fired. He has a great offensive mind. I did expect our defense to pick up the slack though, especially the way TT has been drafting defensive players the last couple of years, so I will understand if Dom Capers is fired.

Good Day !

Who hired Dom Capers?

After it was obvious to many Packer fans that the defense looked bad late in 2012. Why was Dom Capers not at least put on the mat and informed that much more was expected in 2013?

If you or I screw up in our job; our performance isn't as it should be. We're shaken down. Informed clearly to clean up our act.

Did we the fans ever learn of anything resembling that happening between Mike McCarthy and Dom Capers?

Nope ! Unless I missed that. If I did please inform me.

All we as the fans learn is that Mike believes he has the best people assembled to run/coach his team in all of the NFL. We can assume from that ... that MM is an excellent recruiter.

If we the fans call for Dom Capers head isn't there any consideration for Mike McCarthy to go down with him? Failing that shouldn't Mike McCarthy be placed on a short leash?

To ask such questions seriously would make any of us look like a fool.

We would be fools as Packer fans to ever expect that to happen.

Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are tight. We the fans are stuck with them. They've won a Super Bowl and that gives them a long mortgage at low interest rates.

PACKERS !

[red]

Okay, fine. Let's can McCarthy. Who do you suggest TT replace him with? Cowher? It took him longer to win a SB than MM and he's been out of coaching for while. I would think we should get someone who will win another before Rodgers retires. Gruden? What has Gruden ever done - besides win a SB with players assembled and coached by somebody else? Lovie? I wouldn't mind him as a replacement for Capers but not as the head man.

We are going thru a crappy time but I submit most HCs would be floundering without a competent QB too. Some point to Belichick's team going 11-5 without Brady. But I think Cassel is a little better than Flynn and Tolzien.

Pugger if you go look at my posts from six or so years ago, youll see ive never been a fan of m3. I have always thought we win in spite of him, not because of him. The super bowl year, all the stars lined up for him, and he's gonna ride that all the way to the grave. He took the best team in football the next year to the playoffs and layed a massive egg. And its been going downhill since

His teams over the years have ofter been undisciplened, looked unprepared and lost, and he's never been able to make adjustments on the fly

Um, gruden - no
Lovie- we agree, good d coord, bad head coach
Cower- now thats a bit intriguing. I dont know if he can coach anymore, but thats the type of hard nosed coach i would like


I think M3 babies the team too much, but I don't think he should be fired. He has a great offensive mind. I did expect our defense to pick up the slack though, especially the way TT has been drafting defensive players the last couple of years, so I will understand if Dom Capers is fired.

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

Sorry for the shitty spelling, my laptop shit the bed and my tablet doesnt have spellcheck and its a pain to type on. And you all know i cant spell to begin with

[KYPack]

Red, we all know you are a fighter, but let's be somewhat real here.

The Packers were 5-2 when ARod went down. We were driving to the NFC North title. People (including me) were posting that this team reminded 'em of the 2010 team. I think we had a solid shot.

MM isn't an offensive genius, but he is a QB builder with a lot of solid offensive concepts in his kit bag of plays. This team has been very solid offensively since MM got here. I do fault the organization for trying to go with two green kids as ARod's back-up. That was a total FUBAR. TT did realize he was hosed for QB depth and tried to correct that shit in pre-season. That is too late and we sustained the fatal injury to Rodgers, screwing our season. (After the Bear game, I posted that ARod's injury had transformed us into the Vikings. Somebody reamed me a new one and asked how we could possible be rated with a team as shitty as the Queens. That poster needs to get back on here and eat a crow burger. We tied the Vikings, as I recall).

Before ARod went down, we were looking at a 12-4 or 11-5 season and a play-off berth. Do we fire MM, TT and maybe Murphy bc of this lousy patch of luck? Nah.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Capers go, though. Somebody will have to lose their head over this. Ask Jerron McMillan

[bobblehead]

Hey red:

Have you talked to Ted Thompson yet?

I understand that Ted comes out of his office every Thursday afternoon to pick up his mail and get some Vitamin D.

He'll be that guy with a cloak over his head at Lombardi Ave. You can't miss him.

http://www.totalpackers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/big-ted-thompson.jpg

A rare Ted Thompson sighting. Ted enjoying a sunny day.

Hmmm...we have a problem then. Maybe thursday has to be fire MM day so Red can approach TT on the correct day.

[mmmdk]

We don't need no "due dilligence"
We don't need no "ball" control
No dark sarcasm in the filmroom
Stubby leave them Pack alone
Hey! Stubby! Leave the Pack alone!
All in all you're just another brick with your calls.
All in all you're just another brick with your calls.

[pbmax]

Now I've been thinking and the words for the day:

Baby steps.... Why go after the Big Kaahuuna?

Why not simply take 'baby steps' and go after shit canning the Packers Medical Staff:

http://www.totalpackers.com/2013/10/17/heres-latest-comedy-errors-packers-medical-staff/

You may already have this in your memory bank:

Here’s the Latest Comedy of Errors From Packers Medical Staff

Comment woodbuck27:

I dedicate this post to the memory of former Packer WR Charles Johnson who I imagine is dragging himself around somewhere and dreaming of hauling in pass's from some Super Bowl bound QB.

They have had trouble woodbuck and the Charles Johnson thing is a black mark. But the Jennings example is simply wrong. It was reported by "sources" close to the NFL that Jennings had a groin, but that was not his diagnosis from the Packer Doctors. Jennings had a tear and it was the kind of injury that could be played with IF you could stand the discomfort, similar to a hernia.

Jennings himself said he tried to play though it and could not. He then had surgery to fix it.

[Rutnstrut]

I totally agree with Red, but we also need a fire TT day.

[woodbuck27]

They have had trouble woodbuck and the Charles Johnson thing is a black mark. But the Jennings example is simply wrong. It was reported by "sources" close to the NFL that Jennings had a groin, but that was not his diagnosis from the Packer Doctors. Jennings had a tear and it was the kind of injury that could be played with IF you could stand the discomfort, similar to a hernia.

Jennings himself said he tried to play though it and could not. He then had surgery to fix it.

Jennings? Former Packer WR Greg Jennings?

[pbmax]

Jennings? Former Packer WR Greg Jennings?

Yes.

But I have to walk back my assertion about the injury a bit. An SI article quoting Jennings says the exact injury was still undetermined when he went to see the specialist. That leaves it a bit of an open question about WHY it was undetermined.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/loretta_hunt/11/28/greg-jennings-green-bay-packers/

[pbmax]

This one gets a bit more specific. The groin part of the injury discussion enters the picture after he aggravated it versus St. Louis.

It was then he decided rest and rehab weren't going to do it. This is the version I recall, one in which Jennings desire to play and not miss games due to surgery were part of the equation. But it does leave out exactly what options the Packers presented.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8551194/greg-jennings-green-bay-packers-wr-surgery-groin

[woodbuck27]

Yes.

But I have to walk back my assertion about the injury a bit. An SI article quoting Jennings says the exact injury was still undetermined when he went to see the specialist. That leaves it a bit of an open question about WHY it was undetermined.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/loretta_hunt/11/28/greg-jennings-green-bay-packers/

A good article and story. Moreso a lesson there for us all.

Thanks.

Back to the ? or issue at hand:

So a groin injury and rest (for week after week ) somehow after a proper diagnosis became an abdominal injury?

An erectus abdominis tear requiring as a best approach...surgery and about three weeks minimum recovery.

Doesn't that shock anybody?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1398743-greg-jennings-groin-a-closer-look-at-why-surgery-was-necessary

Greg Jennings' Injury: A Closer Look at Why Surgery Was Necessary

By Dave Siebert, MD (Featured Columnist) on November 6, 2012

[woodbuck27]

This one gets a bit more specific. The groin part of the injury discussion enters the picture after he aggravated it versus St. Louis.

It was then he decided rest and rehab weren't going to do it. This is the version I recall, one in which Jennings desire to play and not miss games due to surgery were part of the equation. But it does leave out exactly what options the Packers presented.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8551194/greg-jennings-green-bay-packers-wr-surgery-groin

Really ... what is this injury? Should it have been a difficult diagnosis by the Packers Medical people?


Mommy to little son: Where does it hurt Johnny?

Johnny: Right here Mommy and points to his stomach area.

Mommy: OK Johnny Just rest and I mean no playing with your friends or running indoors or out of doors.

Johnny: What's wrong with me Mommy?

Mommy: Johnny you have what's called a GROIN injury and points to Johnny's sore stomach.

Question:

Who's the better doctor? Mommy or Johnny?

I'm in shock...dieing here laughing.

[pbmax]

A good article and story. Moreso a lesson there for us all.

Thanks.

Back to the ? or issue at hand:

So a groin injury and rest (for week after week ) somehow after a proper diagnosis became an abdominal injury?

An erectus abdominis tear requiring as a best approach...surgery and about three weeks minimum recovery.

Doesn't that shock anybody?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1398743-greg-jennings-groin-a-closer-look-at-why-surgery-was-necessary

Greg Jennings' Injury: A Closer Look at Why Surgery Was Necessary

By Dave Siebert, MD (Featured Columnist) on November 6, 2012

The ESPN article describes the groin injury as occurring AFTER the initial injury, while he was still trying to play through it. Neither article specifies the original diagnosis.

[Guiness]

Good Day !

Who hired Dom Capers?

After it was obvious to many Packer fans that the defense looked bad late in 2012. Why was Dom Capers not at least put on the mat and informed that much more was expected in 2013?



And you know he wasn't because...?

[woodbuck27]

And you know he wasn't because...?

Because it sure looks to me that he didn't get any message.

[mission]

- Nick Saban
- Gus Malzahn
- Kevin Sumlin
- Darrell Bevell
- Duke's coach
- Missouri's coach
- Jack Del Rio
- Ken Whisenhunt

I'd take 'em all. Who else?

[KYPack]

- Nick Saban
- Gus Malzahn
- Kevin Sumlin
- Darrell Bevell
- Duke's coach
- Missouri's coach
- Jack Del Rio
- Ken Whisenhunt

I'd take 'em all. Who else?

Name Saban ST assistant in charge of all long FG's.

[bobblehead]

Name Saban ST assistant in charge of all long FG's.

But he would leave the next year....

[mission]

But he would leave the next year....

Yeah, he did have a great team in Miami to build his legacy off of. Especially when Ireland decided Culpepper was a better QB than Brees.

[KYPack]

Yeah, he did have a great team in Miami to build his legacy off of. Especially when Ireland decided Culpepper was a better QB than Brees.

Mish, your post with the college coaches was a rib, right?

[packrulz]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

[packrulz]

delete

[bobblehead]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

You should have deleted this post. Really?? So, if you can't be successful with both your OT's, your #2 (1?) WR, and your top 2 QB's pn the IR you suck? God, I hope your boss at your place of employment holds you to your own standards.

PS...Who helped mold both ARod and Favre into HOF QB's?

[Joemailman]

You should have deleted this post. Really?? So, if you can't be successful with both your OT's, your #2 (1?) WR, and your top 2 QB's pn the IR you suck? God, I hope your boss at your place of employment holds you to your own standards.

PS...Who helped mold both ARod and Favre into HOF QB's?

Agree with the first part. As for the second, I'll give you Arod. He didn't exactly look like the NFL's next great QB when he first came to Green Bay under Sherman. But Favre? His best years preceded McCarthy.

Overall though, people need to take a deep breath. With the exception of New England, everybody has a down year now and then. The Packers do not have some entitlement that guarantees them a spot in the playoffs every year.

[Deputy Nutz]

When Matt Flynn lit up the Detroit Lions for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns didn't all the Packer fans across the world believe that McCarthy was a genius when it came to building QBs? Now what? It is all relative and you can't over look the fact that Rodgers and Favre were very special football players that have covered up a lot of mistakes made by the front office and the coaching staff. What sucks for McCarthy and Thompson is that Rodgers got hurt. It exposed the lack of depth across the offensive line and the lack of ability of Ted Thompson to appropriately react when key pieces of the team go down to injury. Bryan Bulaga goes down without playing one meaningful snap and Thompson relies on a 4th round pick to fill in at left tackle. He leaves the right tackle spot up to Newhouse and Barkley. Those aren't real great options to begin with, but you can cover your ass with those two guys because you have a qb like Rodgers.

Thompson finally had to address the running back position after 8 years of going with retreads and street free agents.

Defensively it is a mess. The last two years the Packers defense starts off really well but falls apart at the middle of the year due to injuries and the lack of playmakers. The defense has one playmaker and he is always injured. Mathews is a great player, but he breaks down constantly. Thompson has addressed the defense, but at this point Perry is a failure, Neil is a failure, Jones hasn't really made an impact in his rookie year, Worthy is still injured, and Hayward hasn't gotten off the heat pad all year. Dom Capers defense gets predictable, especially when he has nothing to work with towards week 8.

The other issue is that when the Packers lose their 20 million dollar a year player, and their 12 million dollar a year player in the same season you can't do much, because that is a lot of cash eating up the cap. When you pay Rodgers and Mathews that kind of money, there isn't a lot left to shore up depth at other roster spots.

Mike McCarthy has not looked like a well prepared coach in the last 4 games. He looks like a lost puppy without his Hall of Fame QB, but it certainly isn't his fault entirely. The pantry is pretty empty of talent right now. This reminds me of the last season of Sherman's coaching career in Green Bay. Years of poor drafts, and poor moves in free agency finally caught up to him and Favre couldn't cover his ass anymore. In McCarthy's case he isn't leaving Green Bay until Thompson does. Rodgers will come back healthy in 2014 and as of now he can take the same roster to 10-6 and McCarthy and Thompson will jump off the hot stove.

[run pMc]

Not many teams can win without their franchise QB. GB is no exception. The rash of injuries has caused a domino effect because "next man up" comes with a cost to the effectiveness of the team.
The defense has been pretty awful though -- if we're going to blame coaches for that, I'd put that on Capers.

TT is a much better GM than Sherman, and M3 is a better coach IMO.

[pbmax]

Mish, your post with the college coaches was a rib, right?

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

[ThunderDan]

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

No Bevell please. Nice guy and all. I just don't think he will be a successful HC in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

How does he have a great offensive mind? What has he really done for us to say that? His running game has always been generic. His o lines have always sucked. All hes had is his passing game, and wheres the innovation there? The screens, slant and back shoulder catches have all dissapeared

M3 is a guru because he had a rod and favre. We just see proof of that with a rod going down. His offense is complete shit without a hof qb making it look good

First of all he won the Super Bowl, we win the division almost every year, and his winning percentage is better than Lombardi's. The real problem here is our defense, which appears to be regressing.

RE: The Packers 'D':

I believe so. You might look at the new thread I began this AM:

The Cold Hard Facts - An Analysis Of Green Bay Packers 'O' and 'D' 2008 - Present.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Actually, I would be worried less by the college coaches on that list than by the two retread pros, Del Rio and Wisenhunt.

Yes.

[Fritz]

I think people vastly underestimate the difficulty of coaching. Put any one of us posters as HC of the Pack, with Rodgers in full health, and the Pack would suck. If any of us had NFL head-coaching talent and drive, we'd be coaching somewhere in the NFL or getting ready to do so.

But let's fire Capers!

[Upnorth]

I think people vastly underestimate the difficulty of coaching. Put any one of us posters as HC of the Pack, with Rodgers in full health, and the Pack would suck. If any of us had NFL head-coaching talent and drive, we'd be coaching somewhere in the NFL or getting ready to do so.

But let's fire Capers!

And since I missed the Wednesday oppertunity, lets reorganize the special teams management staff in such a way as to discard all under preforming individuals.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the Packers main problem has been injuries at linebacker. Neal is a bandaid as fulltime starter. Matthews is 75%, Perry should have been IR'd. Lattimore & Jones have been hurt.

[pbmax]

I think the Packers main problem has been injuries at linebacker. Neal is a bandaid as fulltime starter. Matthews is 75%, Perry should have been IR'd. Lattimore & Jones have been hurt.

There is some truth to that, but looking at wood buck's thread, where Yoop I think put the opponent's passer rating year by year, the biggest catastrophe on defense has been the pass defense. And that starts in the secondary.

[Fritz]

Fire Whitt? Perry?

Or is it the lack of pass rush that gives opposing QB's time to eat a sandwich and still casually look over the field?

[pbmax]

Fire Whitt? Perry?

Or is it the lack of pass rush that gives opposing QB's time to eat a sandwich and still casually look over the field?

Well, someone who reads PFF (RASTAK!) might be able to help here. The Packers are ranked well up in sacks, but the pressure seems very uneven and I would say close to even with last year. Capers has gotten a LOT of sacks with 5 and 6 man blitzes.

We need numbers for pressures (hits, hurries, moved out of pocket) on the QB, not just sacks.

So the pass rush is not an abomination, but its not consistent.

So coverage gets a break occasionally. My off the top of my head estimate is 40/60% pass rush/coverage.

[Rodgers12]

When Matt Flynn lit up the Detroit Lions for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns didn't all the Packer fans across the world believe that McCarthy was a genius when it came to building QBs? Now what? It is all relative and you can't over look the fact that Rodgers and Favre were very special football players that have covered up a lot of mistakes made by the front office and the coaching staff. What sucks for McCarthy and Thompson is that Rodgers got hurt. It exposed the lack of depth across the offensive line and the lack of ability of Ted Thompson to appropriately react when key pieces of the team go down to injury. Bryan Bulaga goes down without playing one meaningful snap and Thompson relies on a 4th round pick to fill in at left tackle. He leaves the right tackle spot up to Newhouse and Barkley. Those aren't real great options to begin with, but you can cover your ass with those two guys because you have a qb like Rodgers.

Thompson finally had to address the running back position after 8 years of going with retreads and street free agents.

Defensively it is a mess. The last two years the Packers defense starts off really well but falls apart at the middle of the year due to injuries and the lack of playmakers. The defense has one playmaker and he is always injured. Mathews is a great player, but he breaks down constantly. Thompson has addressed the defense, but at this point Perry is a failure, Neil is a failure, Jones hasn't really made an impact in his rookie year, Worthy is still injured, and Hayward hasn't gotten off the heat pad all year. Dom Capers defense gets predictable, especially when he has nothing to work with towards week 8.

The other issue is that when the Packers lose their 20 million dollar a year player, and their 12 million dollar a year player in the same season you can't do much, because that is a lot of cash eating up the cap. When you pay Rodgers and Mathews that kind of money, there isn't a lot left to shore up depth at other roster spots.

Mike McCarthy has not looked like a well prepared coach in the last 4 games. He looks like a lost puppy without his Hall of Fame QB, but it certainly isn't his fault entirely. The pantry is pretty empty of talent right now. This reminds me of the last season of Sherman's coaching career in Green Bay. Years of poor drafts, and poor moves in free agency finally caught up to him and Favre couldn't cover his ass anymore. In McCarthy's case he isn't leaving Green Bay until Thompson does. Rodgers will come back healthy in 2014 and as of now he can take the same roster to 10-6 and McCarthy and Thompson will jump off the hot stove.

Agree with most of your post, except for the bold parts.

Thompson is something like $7.5 M beneath the cap. That is plenty of money to sign a competent backup QB (Hasselback, Cassell, etc.), and/or a bona fide safety and/or the such prior to the season.

2nd part, Sherman's last season was also Thompson's first as GM. Thompson wanted to set Sherman up for failure so that he could bring in his own guy. Needless to say, Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoff team.

That season, Favre was handing the ball off to the likes of Tony or Steve Fisher and throwing to the likes of Antonio Chatman. Now, Favre being Favre, could've easily made those guys look like All-Pros Ahman Green and J-Walk (both were IRed). Problem was, Favre ran for his life more often than Bin Laden post 9-11. Not even Peyton Manning would be able to make magic with an OL composing of Klemm and Whitticker, Thompson's handpicked replacements.

[denverYooper]

Ohhh boy.

[bobblehead]

There is some truth to that, but looking at wood buck's thread, where Yoop I think put the opponent's passer rating year by year, the biggest catastrophe on defense has been the pass defense. And that starts in the secondary.

I disagree, it starts with no pressure on the QB and getting beat by TE's and RB's a lot of the time. Its a group effort at sucking.

[Zool]

Weird. I just had a JSO flashback. Then I realized we left that place and I can still tell Nutz and Tan....I mean this new guy to go fuck themselves. Your conspiracy theories are as dumb as ever.

[woodbuck27]

I think the Packers main problem has been injuries at linebacker. Neal is a bandaid as fulltime starter. Matthews is 75%, Perry should have been IR'd. Lattimore & Jones have been hurt.

It's there and from the safety position and in the 3-4 that you 'must expect by far' the majority of your tackles.

[woodbuck27]

Agree with most of your post, except for the bold parts.

Thompson is something like $7.5 M beneath the cap. That is plenty of money to sign a competent backup QB (Hasselback, Cassell, etc.), and/or a bona fide safety and/or the such prior to the season.

2nd part, Sherman's last season was also Thompson's first as GM. Thompson wanted to set Sherman up for failure so that he could bring in his own guy. Needless to say, Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoff team.

That season, Favre was handing the ball off to the likes of Tony or Steve Fisher and throwing to the likes of Antonio Chatman. Now, Favre being Favre, could've easily made those guys look like All-Pros Ahman Green and J-Walk (both were IRed). Problem was, Favre ran for his life more often than Bin Laden post 9-11. Not even Peyton Manning would be able to make magic with an OL composing of Klemm and Whitticker, Thompson's handpicked replacements.

Ohh ohh calm down. :idea:

Don't write your name on the chalk board. :-)

[Smidgeon]

Weird. I just had a JSO flashback. Then I realized we left that place and I can still tell Nutz and Tan....I mean this new guy to go fuck themselves. Your conspiracy theories are as dumb as ever.

Always so eloquent. :D

[pbmax]

I disagree, it starts with no pressure on the QB and getting beat by TE's and RB's a lot of the time. Its a group effort at sucking.

DBs have been getting beat off the snap at times, pressure or no. They are not communicating well per usual with positions shifting frequently. Burnett is having a terrible season and Shields has been hurt. No Hayward and Hyde is not Hayward reincarnated. House has not taken a step forward.

They have a better sack rate this year than last, even with Matthews and Perry hurt, but I would bet pressure numbers are down.

They need both but I think the DB play has fallen off a cliff.

[pbmax]

Thompson is something like $7.5 M beneath the cap. That is plenty of money to sign a competent backup QB (Hasselback, Cassell, etc.), and/or a bona fide safety and/or the such prior to the season.



Going to need some of that to sign their own FAs this offseason. Cap is flat again this year.

[woodbuck27]

DBs have been getting beat off the snap at times, pressure or no. They are not communicating well per usual with positions shifting frequently. Burnett is having a terrible season and Shields has been hurt. No Hayward and Hyde is not Hayward reincarnated. House has not taken a step forward.

They have a better sack rate this year than last, even with Matthews and Perry hurt, but I would bet pressure numbers are down.

They need both but I think the DB play has fallen off a cliff.

That Packer 'D' >> serious concerns at '3' at '4' and at DB. Serious regression on the 'D' since 2010-11.

The ** bendability of the Packer 'D' has regressed from the Top Ranking spot and has fallen dramatically >>> to the 17th spot since the end of the 2010 season. The regression is dramatic in terms of a 28% decline in terms of the Bendability Statistic.

** Bendability:

Bendability measures the concept of the "bend but don't break defense'. Bendability isn't solely a defensive indicator. It's rather a complete team measurement of the teams ability to keep opponents off the scoreboard. It takes into account a variety of factors ie offensive efficiency and ST play, red zone defense, and and turnover differential.

Bendability = Yards Allowed / Total Points Allowed = Yards Per Point Allowed (YPPA).

The higher the number, the more difficult a team makes it for opponents to score points or the MORE superior a team is in regards tothis stat called 'bendability'.

What was the Green Bay Packers status in terms of bendability in the 2009 season?

Answer = The 18th ranked NFL team in terms of 'bendability'. Allowing 4551 yards and points against of 297 Points for a factor of 15.32 YPPA or bendability.

I have a thread where I'm looking at this stuff. I'm *** going to post on this stat soon in regards to where we came from and have arrived at. It's not a good story.....as as I recall it now. The Green Bay Packers 'Bendability' has regressed below what that measured back at the end of the 2009 season.

** Heck I'll do it right in this post:

Yes..The Bendability peaked in the 2010 season (20.61) where we were NO. 1 in the NFL in terms of this measurement.

Has been in a steady decline >>> 2011 (18.34 and 4th Ranked) >>> 2012 (16.04 and 11th Ranked)>>>

>>> Through 13 Weeks of the 2013 Season (14.81 and 17th Ranking) >>> Yes the Green Bay Packers have slipped all the way from ( the TOP in the NFL in the 2010 Season) to where they sit today at the top... of the bottom half of the NFL teams.

That isn't good news !

I'm aware that there are several reasons for this regression. That for Packer fans to blame it all on the loss of Aaron Rodgers is a lame excuse that doesn't look deeper at all of the real issues/problems with the Green Bay Packers. Problems that have been in our face certainly for the past maybe? 2 1/2 seasons ... and certainly going back to 2012.

wist43 saw it. That member did his very best to help y'all see. He knocked himself out and for that was often ridiculed and judged asa Packer fan pessimist. No... he was RIGHT !

Did he identify exactly why ... what he saw, was happening!? I can't recall that. It's certainly all now available for us to see clearly to do a full analysis and reach conclusions as to the direction TT and MM need to go in; to better ensure the future of the Green Bay Packers.

As fans we don't fall very far from the tree that's the GM and Coaching staff of the Green Bay Packers in terms of issues/problems and a need to fix them. We 'simply miss out' on all the subtleties. We can't do a thing about management style or personalities.

We can see just as well as they should see.

I encourage every Packer fan to try to get there. It's some work but it's also enlightening...fun. :wink:

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

The problem with wist's prognosis, woodbuck, is that he predicts the same thing year after year and in year's where he is right 2011, 2012 postseasons (for both years), he looks like an oracle.

He looks less soothtastic in 2009 and 2010 and the first half of this year and a good sized portion of 2012. His critique also doesn't touch the 2007 team.

His critique extends far back, contending that Wolf and his disciples cannot draft DBs (and defense in general) well. Unless Thompson spends in FA, wist's critique will be the same (FA is how he thinks Wolf solved his inability to draft defense). If the defense improves without FAs in 2014, it will be an aberration to him.

[woodbuck27]

The problem with wist's prognosis, woodbuck, is that he predicts the same thing year after year and in year's where he is right 2011, 2012 postseasons (for both years), he looks like an oracle.

He looks less soothtastic in 2009 and 2010 and the first half of this year and a good sized portion of 2012. His critique also doesn't touch the 2007 team.

His critique extends far back, contending that Wolf and his disciples cannot draft DBs (and defense in general) well. Unless Thompson spends in FA, wist's critique will be the same (FA is how he thinks Wolf solved his inability to draft defense). If the defense improves without FAs in 2014, it will be an aberration to him.

In my experience with wist43 going back to 2005.

I always felt he was sort of the man that chipped in with critiques on the Packer play at LB. TT's efforts to secure that position.

Since Dom Capers arrival he's been not down with him. Frustrated with the Caper's caper (schemes).