DECISION COMING SOON

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-want-to-make-quicker-decision-on-aaron-rodgers-b99170350z1-237112771.html

[Bretsky]

When asked if Rodgers was medically cleared, McCarthy said that's "all part of the conversation."




SHAKE IT however you want....MM had said multiple times Rodgers was not medically cleared to play
before last week

To me his comments beginning of last week and continuing here are telling

[woodbuck27]

B. I can't open that LINK...my article limit exceeded this month.

I've been getting this stuff:

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 34m
12/23/13 Massaging the message: Mike McCarthy didn't talk about Aaron Rodgers' recovery and potential medical ... http://bit.ly/1cOGlGp

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
The @ESPNMilwaukee, @ESPNMadison story on what #Packers Mike McCarthy said about Rodgers. You tell me what you think: http://bit.ly/1bnrsKe

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
You can ignore me on this if you'd like. Way McCarthy talked today gave different vibe. Writing now. Sorry to get your hopes up if I did.

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
Another crazy man. RT @KCousineau09: Call it whatever you want….but I think someone might get news he’s wanted to hear for nearly 2 months.

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
Now is a good time to point out that The @AaronRodgers12 Show is at 1:30 CST Tuesday on @ESPNMilwaukee, @ESPNMadison.

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
The way McCarthy talked, the way he said they wanted a decision early in the week, and the gravity of the game ... Maybe I'm wrong.

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h
Am I crazy if my gut is telling me that Aaron Rodgers gets the thumbs-up tomorrow from Dr. McKenzie and starts for #Packers Sunday?

[Bretsky]

I've felt all along he GB management has wanted to shut Rodgers down this year.....I do not blame them although I personally would like to see the return
I think MM's comments are telling in a couple ways.........I call bullshit IMO to anybody who wants to argue he's not cleared to play. I get the organizatinal decision and at this point that is what it is. I think MM is foaming for AROD's return, as is AROD. Part of me thinks MM would milk the decision out til end of week...unless the odds are good he is going to get to play. the other litle man on the other side of my shoulder ....thinks I'm full of shit.....and AROD is getting shut down

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-want-to-make-quicker-decision-on-aaron-rodgers-b99170350z1-237112771.html

As I posted I cannot LINK through to the article/story.

When I read that title I'm not encouraged that AR will be cleared and 'in fact' get a vibe of the opposite.

That AR will be held back some more.

Now the stuff that Jason Wilde Tweeted does allow me to feel a wee bit encouraged that AR may be OK's medically to return.

I'm just not sure ..as that might be some cheap ploy to encourage ratings for tomorrows Aaron Rodgers Radio Show:

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 4h
Now is a good time to point out that The @AaronRodgers12 Show is at 1:30 CST Tuesday on @ESPNMilwaukee, @ESPNMadison

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 4h
The way McCarthy talked, the way he said they wanted a decision early in the week, and the gravity of the game ... Maybe I'm wrong.

** Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 4h
Am I crazy if my gut is telling me that Aaron Rodgers gets the thumbs-up tomorrow from Dr. McKenzie and starts for #Packers Sunday?

[woodbuck27]

I've felt all along he GB management has wanted to shut Rodgers down this year.....I do not blame them although I personally would like to see the return
I think MM's comments are telling in a couple ways.........I call bullshit IMO to anybody who wants to argue he's not cleared to play. I get the organizatinal decision and at this point that is what it is. I think MM is foaming for AROD's return, as is AROD. Part of me thinks MM would milk the decision out til end of week...unless the odds are good he is going to get to play. the other litle man on the other side of my shoulder ....thinks I'm full of shit.....and AROD is getting shut down

Here's my take.

I'm reading a lot of stuff on this and one thing I'm getting is that all this covert BS we've observed Fr. MM is getting him nothing but unpopular. The Packer fans are getting more and more pissed.

Fans demand honesty as fans should.

So step from the fans to the Locker room. Same thing there and inside and even more demanding of the facts. Aaron Rodgers team mates certainly should know. Their as in the dark as the fans. I do know that Packer roster players cannot be milling about and talking about this/that and Aaron Rodgers; because they have to focus as individuals on 'the Team' and preparation for the next game.

Does an early week decision speculate anything and return. No !

Whether that decision is AR back or not.

It does allow MM to just focus on the main task at hand. Coaching the team and not having the stress of the Press and all the damn questions to lend to this or that scoop.

MM doesn't need any distractions and setting down the schemes to defeat the Bears. Getting 'the TEAM' to the playoffs.

[Bretsky]

I should clarify one thing for all since I keep getting in the midst of this debate.

I'm a gambler so my bias would be to get Rodgers back on the field

I think TT is a conservative who is trying to protect hs 100Million Dollar investment; I'm not blaming him for that. It's just not how my thought process is wired.

[Rodgers12]

I should clarify one thing for all since I keep getting in the midst of this debate.

I'm a gambler so my bias would be to get Rodgers back on the field

I think TT is a conservative who is trying to protect hs 100Million Dollar investment; I'm not blaming him for that. It's just not how my thought process is wired.

I read this thread title, and for a moment, I thought LeBron James was gonna decide soon whether to play in the NFL or continue playing in the NBA. :)

In Rodgers' case, the worst case scenario is he reinjuries the shoulder and is out for all or most of the off-season. (What are the odds Shea McClellin cuts of the head of the snake once again this Sunday?)

Rodgers is at a point in his career where he has reached Favre status. Favre, if you recall, was rarely seen in Green Bay for the "voluntary" off-season workouts after he turned 30.

Rodgers knows McCarthy's offense like the back of his hand. He's rich enough to hire a personal trainer. Rodgers doesn't need to be in GB for the OTAs, and the Packers need not need worry he will get fat like Shawn Kemp.

The fuck with being conservative. Play A-Rod and WIN!

[pittstang5]

Playing Rogers now is like playing to get to the final table of the World Series of Poker. Your sitting at the last table before the final and have one player to beat. You're sitting with Ace/King suited. Do you go all in or sit back and play conservative?

Packers need to go all in.

[woodbuck27]

Playing Rogers now is like playing to get to the final table of the World Series of Poker. Your sitting at the last table before the final and have one player to beat. You're sitting with Ace/King suited. Do you go all in or sit back and play conservative?

Packers need to go all in.

Ohh yes !

Your a decent Texas Holdem player Packer fan.

TWO :tup: 's UP !!

Come on Packers TEAM. Get to smart please.

Thank You !

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

I've felt all along he GB management has wanted to shut Rodgers down this year.....I do not blame them although I personally would like to see the return
I think MM's comments are telling in a couple ways.........I call bullshit IMO to anybody who wants to argue he's not cleared to play. I get the organizatinal decision and at this point that is what it is. I think MM is foaming for AROD's return, as is AROD. Part of me thinks MM would milk the decision out til end of week...unless the odds are good he is going to get to play. the other litle man on the other side of my shoulder ....thinks I'm full of shit.....and AROD is getting shut down

We are just splitting hairs here unless I misunderstand you. Are you saying he is 100% and there is no risk of further, worse injury and the Packers want to shut him down?

Because I doubt that is the case.

[denverYooper]

Wilde is stirring the pot, trying to get his ratings up on a day when more people are likely to be home and able to listen.

Either that or he knows that the real timetable was 8 weeks all along and he's just been playing to that.

[bobblehead]

I read this thread title, and for a moment, I thought LeBron James was gonna decide soon whether to play in the NFL or continue playing in the NBA. :)

In Rodgers' case, the worst case scenario is he reinjuries the shoulder and is out for all or most of the off-season. (What are the odds Shea McClellin cuts of the head of the snake once again this Sunday?)

Rodgers is at a point in his career where he has reached Favre status. Favre, if you recall, was rarely seen in Green Bay for the "voluntary" off-season workouts after he turned 30.

Rodgers knows McCarthy's offense like the back of his hand. He's rich enough to hire a personal trainer. Rodgers doesn't need to be in GB for the OTAs, and the Packers need not need worry he will get fat like Shawn Kemp.

The fuck with being conservative. Play A-Rod and WIN!

Actually Favre reached the status where he did NOTHING in the offseason other than get fat and out of shape. If you are going to rehash history, it should at least be accurate. The packers (MM and TT) eventually hired a trainer and sent him to mississippi so Brett would not come into camp with tendinitis in his shoulder and be limited AGAIN.

[mission]

Playing Rogers now is like playing to get to the final table of the World Series of Poker. Your sitting at the last table before the final and have one player to beat. You're sitting with Ace/King suited. Do you go all in or sit back and play conservative?

Packers need to go all in.

Depends on your stack size.

Rodgers will play this week. That's my bet!

[pittstang5]

Depends on your stack size.

Rodgers will play this week. That's my bet!

All you need is a chip and a chair

[George Cumby]

Even with Rodgers I don't see this team doing much in the playoffs, not with Slocum and Capers holding the team back. If that clavicle isn't fully healed, he needs to sit, until next August if need be.

[MadtownPacker]

Do any if you foolz worry Rodgers comes back and proceeds to take a dump on the field?

[Pugger]

Do any if you foolz worry Rodgers comes back and proceeds to take a dump on the field?

No, cuz his worst is better than Flynn's best right now.

[KYPack]

Actually Favre reached the status where he did NOTHING in the offseason other than get fat and out of shape. If you are going to rehash history, it should at least be accurate. The packers (MM and TT) eventually hired a trainer and sent him to mississippi so Brett would not come into camp with tendinitis in his shoulder and be limited AGAIN.

Once again, Bobble's got it.

BF hated the off-season workouts and OTA's.

His first of the several retirements came after the trainer got hold of him to get the schedule in place to work him out for the '08 season.

When Favre finally quit, he had done little to no off-season work since the '07 season.

(I'm scared to death about the Bear game, but yeah, we gotta shoot the works)

[ThunderDan]

Just heard from a friend of a friend who is a doctor up in the GB area and has seen Arod's scan.

He said the break was a Spiral Fraction in Arod's collarbone which if not completely healed makes shattering the collarbone a possibility if reinjured. The Pack management doesn't want to risk Arod's collarbone shattering, and possibly ending his career.

[MadtownPacker]

No, cuz his worst is better than Flynn's best right now.
No doubt but I'm concerned he can't be at his best after being down almost 2 months. At this point I'm starting to think its best to sit him and ride it out with Flynn.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Several of the sports talkers have been complaining that the team wasn't more forthright about Rodgers' status sooner. Wilde, Homer, others.

Why would they really want that? What else they got to talk about?

It hasn't been a good year, but other than the Thanksgiving Day Massacre, the games have remained entertaining.

[KYPack]

Which fighter do you go with?

The noodle armed counter punching comeback artist

Or the heavyweight slugger with ring rust having not fought for two months?

We are probably damned if we do or damned of we don't.

[George Cumby]

Which fighter do you go with?

The noodle armed counter punching comeback artist

Or the heavyweight slugger with ring rust having not fought for two months?

We are probably damned if we do or damned of we don't.

And this is why I think 12 needs to sit. Our chances this year are slim, at best. Give him a full season to recover completely and a new season that hasn't been squandered.

[denverYooper]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 2m
A couple of things before Aaron Rodgers' radio show begins: Saw Dr. McKenzie at the facility.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 1m
WR James Jones said he thought they'd get some good news on Rodsgers but didn't know.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 35s
Rodgers on his @ESPNMilwaukee show: "We have done a scan and we are going through the process of evaluation."

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 37s
Rodgers: It will be definitive one way or another on Thursday.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 31s
Rodgers: Scan was in the last 24 hours.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 1m
Rodgers: "I think it's easier if we get the decision out of the way on Thursday and move forward."

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 42s
Rodgers: thought there's be more healing as of last week. learned a lot about clavicle, lack of blood flow it gets.

IF IT'S A QUESTION OF BLOOD FLOW, MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE ASKED DR. ABOUT CIALIS.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 41s
Rodgers: "Easy to be an unnamed source. Ultimately there's 4 people that have a good idea what's going on. Everybody else is just conjecture

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 40s
Rodgers: In all honesty, it's healed about the speed it's supposed to heal. We were hoping it would be faster.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 2m
Rodgers: Comments about my state of mind or my relationship with McCarthy are inappropriate. Anonymous sources are cowards.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 30s
Rodgers on scout team last week: it was a blast. we got after those boys on friday. it was fun.

[Guiness]

In Rodgers' case, the worst case scenario is he reinjuries the shoulder and is out for all or most of the off-season.


You're a million miles off target with that.

We (and all the pundits we religiously read) know NOTHING concrete about this injury. Simply re-injuring and missing some off-season work is pretty low on the list of bad things that could happen. Just a for-instance, he's avoided the knife and along with it exposure to shit like the MSRA so far. Not healed, re-injure, require surgery...who can say.

[Guiness]

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 40s
Rodgers: In all honesty, it's healed about the speed it's supposed to heal. We were hoping it would be faster.

Blood flow, healing speed. Why oh why didn't Rodger's bunk with Mr and Mrs Hawk and sleep in the hyperbaric chamber? (he still has that thing, right?)

[Guiness]

Just heard from a friend of a friend who is a doctor up in the GB area and has seen Arod's scan.

He said the break was a Spiral Fraction in Arod's collarbone which if not completely healed makes shattering the collarbone a possibility if reinjured. The Pack management doesn't want to risk Arod's collarbone shattering, and possibly ending his career.

Spiral Fracture.

But anyways, what? He saw the scans?? Does he work/was he contracted by the Packers? Those scans aren't exactly floating around, and I'm sure the Packers don't want anyone to see them. If he has, that's some pretty inside information and would be pretty sought after even as an 'unnamed source'.

[pbmax]

Just heard from a friend of a friend who is a doctor up in the GB area and has seen Arod's scan.

He said the break was a Spiral Fraction in Arod's collarbone which if not completely healed makes shattering the collarbone a possibility if reinjured. The Pack management doesn't want to risk Arod's collarbone shattering, and possibly ending his career.

That is the rumor working its way through the State and on radio.

[Rutnstrut]

For fuck's sake just be honest with people, all this hiding shit makes them look like incompetent fools. If there's enough doubt sit him until next year and be done with it, otherwise let him play some fucking football.

[woodbuck27]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 37s

Comment woodbuck27:

RE: Scan done within last 24 Hours and being evaluated:

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 37s
Rodgers: It will be definitive one way or another on Thursday.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 1m
Rodgers: "I think it's easier if we get the decision out of the way on Thursday and move forward."

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 42s
Rodgers: thought there's be more healing as of last week. learned a lot about clavicle, lack of blood flow it gets.

IF IT'S A QUESTION OF BLOOD FLOW, MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE ASKED DR. ABOUT CIALIS.

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 41s
Rodgers: "Easy to be an unnamed source. Ultimately there's 4 people that have a good idea what's going on. Everybody else is just conjecture

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 40s
Rodgers: In all honesty, it's healed about the speed it's supposed to heal. We were hoping it would be faster.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 2m
Rodgers: Comments about my state of mind or my relationship with McCarthy are inappropriate. Anonymous sources are cowards.

** " We have done a scan and we are going through the process of evaluation. Scan was in the last 24 hours.
I think it's easier if we get the decision out of the way on Thursday and move forward. " Aaron Rodgers

** Aaron Rodgers says we will learn more on Thursday or Dec. 26, 2013.

The wording here is positive:

In all honesty, it's healed about the speed it's supposed to heal. We were hoping it would be faster. Aaron Rodgers

Note: He used the past tense above for the word (heal). He says it's healed not healing.

I interpret that as somewhat encouraging. Just merely somewhat encouraging means not so much as I view it now.

** Four people know exactly what's going on: Dr. Patrick McKenzie, Aaron Rodgers (his agent? David Dunn? Does he know? It doesn't appear so) so the other two in the know would then be logically Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

** Noone should believe the rumor's floating that there is any rift between Aaron Rodgers and his HC Mike Mccarthy. Any of that dark drama isn't the TRUTH. Dispel such baloney.

Merry Christmas all Packerrats.

GO PACK GO !

[Freak Out]

Rodgers will not play this week.

[Rodgers12]

Rodgers will play this week. That's my bet!

I, a maniac, am gonna raise you.

You better not be bluffing about Rodgers playing this week. :)

[pbmax]

Rodgers will not play this week.

This.

[mraynrand]

...a Spiral Fraction....

I hate spiral fractions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/FakeRealLogSpiral.svg/350px-FakeRealLogSpiral.svg.png

[woodbuck27]

Rodgers will not play this week.

Things he said today that might support not playing:

a) Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 1m
Rodgers: "I think it's easier if we get the decision out of the way on Thursday and move forward."

This lends no support either way until you read b)

b) Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 42s
Rodgers: thought there's be more healing as of last week. learned a lot about clavicle, lack of blood flow it gets.

c) In all honesty, it's healed about the speed it's supposed to heal. We were hoping it would be faster.

If you read this and connect c) to b) You might lean moreso toword:

Aaron Rodgers isn't playing this week.

It's still nothing but conjecture and all I have is hope that he will return.

GO PACK GO !

[mraynrand]

The reality is that the Packers aren't getting past the Divisional round no matter what happens with Rodgers. I don't care if he returns or not, just so that they beat the Bears any way they can. I don't care if it's the ugliest worst game I ever see, as long as they win.

[pbmax]

Teams the Packers might have to travel to: Seahawks, Eagles/Cowboys, Panthers

Afraid of NONE of them.

Teams that would have to come to Lambeau: 49ers, Saints, Cowboys/Eagles

Afraid of ONE of these and the Packers have the better running game this time (49ers). If that truly matters, this playoff sets up pretty nicely despite all you fainting debutantes breathlessly proclaiming doom.

Bring it on.

[woodbuck27]

The reality is that the Packers aren't getting past the Divisional round no matter what happens with Rodgers. I don't care if he returns or not, just so that they beat the Bears any way they can. I don't care if it's the ugliest worst game I ever see, as long as they win.

It's difficult to say which Bear team shows up on Sunday. They are 5-2 this season at Home.

They have the 3rd ranked Points For @ 27.8 P/G in the NFL Vs the Packers 9th ranked Points For of 25.6 P/G.

It gets bad for the Packers if Eddie Lacy can't go strong. Matt Forte gives their offense good balance and his talents will give the edge on the ground over the Packers without Lacy.

Their 5th ranked passing game is very solid with Big receivers. They'll be difficult to contain for our secondary unless the boys play lights out or extremely well.

Without getting into details as bad as our 'D' is the Bears is worse. They give up an average of 29.7 P/G to the Packers 26.7 P/G.

Vegas doesn't have a line on this game yet. I'd set it at a Max Chicago -3.5.

The Packers have to play with huge heart to get this one. We certainly have a chance.

GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

Teams the Packers might have to travel to: Seahawks, Eagles/Cowboys, Panthers

Afraid of NONE of them.

Teams that would have to come to Lambeau: 49ers, Saints, Cowboys/Eagles

Afraid of ONE of these and the Packers have the better running game this time (49ers). If that truly matters, this playoff sets up pretty nicely despite all you fainting debutantes breathlessly proclaiming doom.

Bring it on.

I don't really like our chances in the playoffs, but I damn well like them better than NOT in the playoffs.

[denverYooper]

Teams the Packers might have to travel to: Seahawks, Eagles/Cowboys, Panthers

Afraid of NONE of them.

Teams that would have to come to Lambeau: 49ers, Saints, Cowboys/Eagles

Afraid of ONE of these and the Packers have the better running game this time (49ers). If that truly matters, this playoff sets up pretty nicely despite all you fainting debutantes breathlessly proclaiming doom.

Bring it on.

I'll say this... the Packers have a running game now, a much more diverse one. I also think they have a more physical, resourceful offense better suited to dealing with the NFCW defenses. And those teams' offenses are not exactly overpowering.

[George Cumby]

Teams the Packers might have to travel to: Seahawks, Eagles/Cowboys, Panthers

Afraid of NONE of them.

Teams that would have to come to Lambeau: 49ers, Saints, Cowboys/Eagles

Afraid of ONE of these and the Packers have the better running game this time (49ers). If that truly matters, this playoff sets up pretty nicely despite all you fainting debutantes breathlessly proclaiming doom.

Bring it on.

Check out who's packing the bowling balls in his Speedo.

*swoon*

[ThunderDan]

Spiral Fracture.

But anyways, what? He saw the scans?? Does he work/was he contracted by the Packers? Those scans aren't exactly floating around, and I'm sure the Packers don't want anyone to see them. If he has, that's some pretty inside information and would be pretty sought after even as an 'unnamed source'.

Yep, I have a client who is in the sports med department at the UW. He said his doc buddy from med school had seen the scan up in GB. I don't see what he has to gain by telling me other than knowing I am a huge Packer fan and season ticket holder.

[Bretsky]

Teams the Packers might have to travel to: Seahawks, Eagles/Cowboys, Panthers

Afraid of NONE of them.

Teams that would have to come to Lambeau: 49ers, Saints, Cowboys/Eagles

Afraid of ONE of these and the Packers have the better running game this time (49ers). If that truly matters, this playoff sets up pretty nicely despite all you fainting debutantes breathlessly proclaiming doom.

Bring it on.


Are you assuming with Rodgers or are you smoking the funny homer stuff and trying to argue we stand a shot with Flynn ?

Seattle has superior personell to Green Bay if we are healthy. Our OL is banged up and they have the best pass rush in the NFL ....w/o even mentioning they have the best secondary in the NFL as well. How anybody can not fear them at home baffles me. With Rodgers they probably beat us...without him they kick the shit out of us. Eagles offense combined with our defensive incompetency should at least bring some fear. With Rodgers we have a shot but still not favored.

[mraynrand]

Max must be assuming Rodgers, Cobb, and maybe Matthews. I assume Matthews is done and Perry is marginal. Rodgers and Cobb aren't enough with how weakened the defense has become, but with those two, the Packers will make the Divisional loss a very interesting game.

[woodbuck27]

Max must be assuming Rodgers, Cobb, and maybe Matthews. I assume Matthews is done and Perry is marginal. Rodgers and Cobb aren't enough with how weakened the defense has become, but with those two, the Packers will make the Divisional loss a very interesting game.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJGMb2IqMABRO1Ra5rf_YGE4muQmP04 u1o6cJFZcMAhbzq8AEB5g

Please Aaron ' shake it off '. Please ... come back to us.

mraynrand:

Are you a huge fan (admirer) of Phil Robertson...Duck Dynasty?

He's got himself in a bit of a pickle of late.

Taken quackin' to crackin'.

[woodbuck27]

Blood flow, healing speed. Why oh why didn't Rodger's bunk with Mr and Mrs Hawk and sleep in the hyperbaric chamber? (he still has that thing, right?)

That route might have caused other issues, complications and concerns. Sucking in high-pressure oxygen may cause toxicity and there's a risk of blurred vision that would possibly have held Rodgers out 2-4 weeks.

We were all told it was a week to week thing in the first month of his recovery by Mike McCarthy. Later MM got us salivating that it Aaron Rodgers return was upgraded to simply day to day. We didn't need any risk of Aaron and 'fish eyes'; being down another 2-4 weeks.

Besides Hawk and his Lady shop together and have an otherwise active lifestyle. They don't have all that time to sit with Aaron. He couldn't be left to his lonesome and any of that procedure.

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy would have been risky. It was simply better for Ted Thompson and Dr. Patrick McKenzie to study the healing process and Aaron Rodgers 'serious' collarbone fracture. Yes a serious fracture and not as originally reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter as 'a small fracture' in his collarbone.

We're now learning more of this every day with the it was a 'Spiral fracture' reports. If that is the case that's serious....compared to what Adam Schefter originally gave us.

This whole thing has been rather confusing. At the same time as ESPN's Adam Schefter was assuring us it wasn't much of a deal and maybe most Packer fans were thinking or 'being sold on'; back by Detroit and a real shot at a Thanksgiving Day victory.

ESPB's Ed Werter was trying to inform us that Aaron Rodgers injury was serious. That... and sorry but here comes that (who's that!?) reference again:

" That 'a source' informed Ed Werter that the injury “doesn’t look good.”... " quote enquote ...Ed Werter

That is referring to the MRI that was done way back when..5 NOV. 2013

Ed Werters 'source' informed him that ...swelling inhibited a diagnosis and that Aaron Rodgers could possibly miss the remainder of the season.

Today that source looks to be bang on if you give him/her credit for 'at least', a safe prediction.

Smart 'source'..... Eh!? Maybe, little did that 'source' know back then, just how serious Aaron Rodgers 'fracture' actually was? That 'source' may not have had the advantages of those really in the know:

Dr. Patrick McKenzie, Aaron Rodgers, Packers GM Ted Thompson and Packers HC Mike McCarthy?

Let me take a look...OK I found a LINK:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2013/11/05/aaron-rodgers-injury-more-tests-today/

Check that out for yourself (yourselves) to maybe to refresh your memory.

This whole thing IMO really sucks. This whole thing has been totally botched and has created a PR nightmare for Ted Thompson and the GreenBay Packers Organization before discerning Packer fans throughout Packer Nation.

This I predict will turn ugly going forward. It doesn't take a great deal of perception to see that's likely the case.

Maybe? Read this one again:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9929515/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-broken-collarbone

There's certainly a source of confusion right there.

** Out to maybe into December:

" Aaron Rodgers confirmed Tuesday that he has a broken left collarbone, an injury that could sideline the Green Bay Packers quarterback into December."

** Then there's Mike McCarthy's position:

" Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday that the team is operating with "a week-to-week" mindset."

Comment woodbuck27:

What to think...what to believe?

Maybe we'll have something REAL tomorrow...Thursday 27 Dec. 2013.

GO PACK GO !

[Rodgers12]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJGMb2IqMABRO1Ra5rf_YGE4muQmP04 u1o6cJFZcMAhbzq8AEB5g



I was starting to like Vinny the Italian Dog.

Can't believe the mofos at Fox signed off on the return of that traitorous, Prius-driving asshats, Brian Griffin. http://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sarcasm_on.gif

[woodbuck27]

I was starting to like Vinny the Italian Dog.

Can't believe the mofos at Fox signed off on the return of that traitorous, Prius-driving asshats, Brian Griffin. http://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sarcasm_on.gif

LOL. I wonder what NFL team Brian supported. Maybe it was the Packers!?

See as I viewed him... Brian was smart and generally pretty cool - open minded.

Then again being an NFL fan can lead to an emphasis on over reaction and to much emotion.

Yet do I have this correct? He seldom wore a 'red' scarf around his white 'neck'.

He often chose the humble route or high road so as not to have to eat crow and ask:

Can I have cranberry sauce with that.

Looking forward to cranberry sauce today... all the Christmas goodies. Yum Yum !

Merry Christmas Rodgers12.

GO PACKERS !

[Rodgers12]

Merry Christmas Rodgers12.


Happy Holidays, WB. :)

(Apologies, I do not believe in "Christmas.")

Btw, Brian Griffin, he supports the New England Patriots, I think. LoL.

[bobblehead]

Happy Holidays, WB. :)

(Apologies, I do not believe in "Christmas.")

Btw, Brian Griffin, he supports the New England Patriots, I think. LoL.

How can you not believe in Christmas? It happens every year. You see it. You live it. That would be like me saying I don't believe in New Years day, or the sun.

[esoxx]

On a side note, I don't believe in Groundhog's Day.

That fucking groundhog lies every year. Six weeks to Spring my ass.

[Rodgers12]

How can you not believe in Christmas? It happens every year. You see it. You live it. That would be like me saying I don't believe in New Years day, or the sun.

See FYI.

[woodbuck27]

Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post

Merry Christmas Rodgers12.

Happy Holidays, WB.

(Apologies, I do not believe in "Christmas.")

Btw, Brian Griffin, he supports the New England Patriots, I think. LoL.



See FYI.

Brian was a Pat's fan. Yea.. I get that. Tom Brady is fun to watch. Bill Belichick is a HC's COACH. He can make A feast out of a can of Kam and a loaf of seven day old bread.

Rodgers12: Never apologize for your beliefs. Your position is your own.

I admire individualism.

RE: Any discussion of such and not football or Packer related and on FYI; keeping that away from this forum venue demonstrates your astuteness /growing wisdom.

[woodbuck27]

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/415643130335993856

VIDEO: Aaron Rodgers discusses his status for Week 17 http://on.nfl.com/JbVKJR

GO PACK GO !

[Guiness]

I hate spiral fractions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/FakeRealLogSpiral.svg/350px-FakeRealLogSpiral.svg.png

Now we think he's got a Fibonacci fracture?

[woodbuck27]

Now we think he's got a Fibonacci fracture?

A fib on ach yee...Ohh No !

Packer Nation is getting... tired ....of that.

[woodbuck27]

Finally today is...the big day.

We've been prepared by 'the Single Man' in the Green Bay Packers best version of 'a PR Dept. See Aaron Rodgers stance on Brett Favre and should be finally honored in Green Bay... pffftt ... whatever/whenever.

After 52 days Packer fans may get the final or latest "organizational" or is it officially now "Team" word, on the Aaron Rodgers collarbone injury. This whole thing is looking rather close to resembling "a slow soap opera" and possibly building to a potential "Shakespearean Tragedy".

Maybe after today one of the victims in this affair, Mike McCarthy. Will finally be offered some relief from the obvious heat he's had to try to endure.

If I could reach Mike McCarthy I'd offer him this song. There are all sorts of pressure (s):

Don't y'all just love ZZ TOP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF3emGriivQ

There's a bonus video there also.

Now this one is STRICTLY for 'the Boys'; otherwise don't watch it and if you do ...please spare 'the whine' :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iNrNpkpIMM

Poor Mike. Doesn't Ted 'The Absent' Thompson realize, that Mike McCarthy has enough on his plate?

Maybe the Green Bay Packers (TEAM-ORGANIZATION) should consider hiring somebody to serve as a fully trained "Press Secretary". That would certainly relieve Mike and Ted from a task they both need to do a tad of work on.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Now we think he's got a Fibonacci fracture?

Not to be confused with the music Aaron Rodgers listens to on his I-Pod while waiting for the results of another X-Ray or CT scan in Dr. Patrick McKenzie's waiting room.

The Fractured Dimension - Fibonacci's Notebook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcnB5YtZos

[pbmax]

Are you assuming with Rodgers or are you smoking the funny homer stuff and trying to argue we stand a shot with Flynn ?

Seattle has superior personell to Green Bay if we are healthy. Our OL is banged up and they have the best pass rush in the NFL ....w/o even mentioning they have the best secondary in the NFL as well. How anybody can not fear them at home baffles me. With Rodgers they probably beat us...without him they kick the shit out of us. Eagles offense combined with our defensive incompetency should at least bring some fear. With Rodgers we have a shot but still not favored.


Max must be assuming Rodgers, Cobb, and maybe Matthews. I assume Matthews is done and Perry is marginal. Rodgers and Cobb aren't enough with how weakened the defense has become, but with those two, the Packers will make the Divisional loss a very interesting game.

I did not presume Cobb and am guessing Rodgers will be available sometime after the 1st playoff game. No Matthews.

The 49ers would be a heavy burden even at home, but I do not buy that they are Kryptonite to the Packers. Winning versus them with Flynn would be a huge challenge but I don't think the loss is inevitable as Rand seems to. I think they are a bigger challenge than the rest but the game is at home and will give the offense a chance.

Outside of the Seahawks (who the Packers would not see in Round 1), I think Flynn can win a game versus the rest. The Seahawks in the engineered noise of Microsoft Stadium would be very difficult and I don't know how to triangulate the 2nd half Packer offense from last year with Flynn at the helm. My working assumption is it would take time to adjust again but unlike the 49ers, the Seahawks cannot bury the Packers in an offensive blizzard in a half. The Seahawks O has been struggling and Wilson has come down to earth as his pedestrian receiver corp has not delivered much.

The team you WANT to host is the Saints in the muck. Their road record tells you all you need to know.

[mraynrand]

Max, the Niners, Seachickens and Panthers all have defenses that can throttle a Flynn-led offense like Detroit did on Thanksgiving. The Packer D is far too beat up to withstand a 15 to 20 minute difference in TOP, even with the just adequate offenses those teams possess. At NO would be a blow out of epic proportions, but I agree that NO could go down hard in Lambeau.

[pbmax]

Max, the Niners, Seachickens and Panthers all have defenses that can throttle a Flynn-led offense like Detroit did on Thanksgiving. The Packer D is far too beat up to withstand a 15 to 20 minute difference in TOP, even with the just adequate offenses those teams possess. At NO would be a blow out of epic proportions, but I agree that NO could go down hard in Lambeau.

Homefield solves some of the Niner D problem, though it will be tough sledding. It was all Rodgers could do to hang 22, 31 and 28 on them in the last 3 games versus Harbaugh :)
Seriously, Flynn will have a tough time no matter what, though I don't expect T-day level problems at home. The main problem is the defense in this game. The 49ers are not as efficient on offense this year but they can run and pass and the Packers struggle against a quality multi-faceted attack. That is why this game worries me more than others. I haven't looked yet, but I would much prefer to face the Saints with Flynn than the 49ers.

Seahawks at home can give Flynn or Rodgers fits, but I am not afraid of their far more limited attack.

Panthers D will give Packers fits though this road game will not be as tough as New Orleans or Seattle would be. Panthers want to run and the Packers, if faced with a single option, can shut that down. That leaves Newton to worry about. Would help Packer cause if Smith is limited by health. Newton worries me, but he can still be had.

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10192087/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-says-decision-week-17-status-due-Thursday

Aaron Rodgers: 'I'm feeling better'

Updated: December 24, 2013, 5:04 PM ET

By: Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

****************************************

http://lombardiave.com/2013/12/25/big-day-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-chicago-bears/

It’s a big day for Aaron Rodgers, The Green Bay Packers, and Chicago Bears

By:Raymond Rivard - Dec 25th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

GO PACKERS !

[denverYooper]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m
Aaron Rodgers does not make the final decision on playing Sunday. But all signs positive today. Could he return to save the day? #Staytuned

[denverYooper]

Yeah well. The decision will be announced after practice, but the first portion of practice opens to the media in 5 minutes. I have a feeling there will be a focus on Rodgers's activity. Demovsky's already beating the drum.

[denverYooper]

LOLOL.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 1m
Going into Hutson Center for #Packers practice. Team rules dictate no Tweets 'til media viewing session ends. @AaronRodgers12 updates after.

[denverYooper]

They're going to stretch this information game out as far as they can.

[denverYooper]

What if they decide to start Flynn but make Rodgers active as the backup QB? Now that would be some trollan.

[denverYooper]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 2m
Aaron Rodgers took 1st rep in every drill during open part of practice. Those usually go to the starter but we didn't see 11on11s. #Packers

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m
Rodgers taking the first snap among QBs in both ball security and in a fundamentals drill on which QBs throw to WRs vs. DBs.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m
WR Randall Cobb (leg), who's still on IR-DTR, is also practicing again and did take snaps with Rodgers, J.Jones, Nelson in fundamentals.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 3m
Rodgers was 6-for-6 during 7-on-7 drill. Went every-other-rep with Flynn thru the drills we were allowed to watch. #Packers

Paul Imig ‏@Paulimig 12m
#Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers WILL start Sunday vs. Bears, according to a source.

[Bossman641]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 2m
Aaron Rodgers took 1st rep in every drill during open part of practice. Those usually go to the starter but we didn't see 11on11s. #Packers

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m
Rodgers taking the first snap among QBs in both ball security and in a fundamentals drill on which QBs throw to WRs vs. DBs.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m
WR Randall Cobb (leg), who's still on IR-DTR, is also practicing again and did take snaps with Rodgers, J.Jones, Nelson in fundamentals.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 3m
Rodgers was 6-for-6 during 7-on-7 drill. Went every-other-rep with Flynn thru the drills we were allowed to watch. #Packers

Paul Imig ‏@Paulimig 12m
#Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers WILL start Sunday vs. Bears, according to a source.

Be still my beating heart

[denverYooper]

Be still my beating heart

I'm curious to know if his source is another reporter at practice who witnessed the same thing he did: Rodgers taking the first rep.

[red]

yup, look at how far away he was

M3 presser in 30 minutes

[denverYooper]

It could just be a last ditch effort to make the Bears waste half a day.

I'm disappointed we didn't get any reports on what Rodgers's body language was saying.

[Guiness]

Presser scheduled for 2:15. Stream still offline right now...

[denverYooper]

Presser scheduled for 2:15. Stream still offline right now...

Yeah. They had a video of Rodgers doing drills today though linked as "Sights & Sounds: Aaron Rodgers practices Thursday". They're really drawing this thing out.

Body language analysis: he looked pumped.

[red]

NFLN is ready to show the presser any second now

ian rappaport says it says a whole lot that he was taking all first team reps today

[pbmax]

How would you like to be a Bear fan right now? :lol:

[Guiness]

NFLN is ready to show the presser any second now

ian rappaport says it says a whole lot that he was taking all first team reps today

It also says a lot that he was splitting them with Flynn. If it was certain he was starting, he would be getting all the reps in an effort to shake off more rust. I honestly think the Pack went into the practice not being sure what the outcome would be.

Or they're good poker players.

[pbmax]

Imig is the only guy willing to go out on that limb. Neither Rappaport nor Schefter nor the other beat guys reporting Rodgers as starter.

EDIT: forgot the neither/nor/nor rule

[red]

How would you like to be a Bear fan right now? :lol:

can't be much worse then being a packer fan right now

[red]

It also says a lot that he was splitting them with Flynn. If it was certain he was starting, he would be getting all the reps in an effort to shake off more rust. I honestly think the Pack went into the practice not being sure what the outcome would be.

Or they're good poker players.

a rod did take all the first team reps today when the media was watching

[denverYooper]

Schefty just laid this down:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
ESPN about to carry Mike McCarthy press conference in which he will name the Packers starting QB for Sunday's winner-take-all vs. Chicago.

[denverYooper]

Packers.com stream is still offline. Eff. NM, now it's up.

[red]

Ian syas cobb was very close to playing last week, and that he's pretty sure cobb will be playing this year

YAY weapons

[pbmax]

can't be much worse then being a packer fan right now

I think the sense of helplessness is more, to see the other team's best player show up the week you play them has to be disheartening.

[red]

Packers.com stream is still offline. Eff.

M3 still has a couple dozen chicken wings from BW3 to rifle through before he's ready to talk to the media

either that or he's on the can trying to shit out some chicken wings

BW3 really does have the perfect location being almost right in between the hutson center and the locker room

[pbmax]

Ian syas cobb was very close to playing last week, and that he's pretty sure cobb will be playing this year

YAY weapons

Soon we will be back to wondering why Lacy isn't getting enough carries.

[Fosco33]

I'm like a kid on Christmas morning... looks like presser is starting soon.

[red]

I'm like a kid on Christmas morning... looks like presser is starting soon.

well M3 is only 20 minutes late at this point

it must take awhile to waddle from his office all the way to the press room

[Fosco33]

well M3 is only 20 minutes late at this point

it must take awhile to waddle from his office all the way to the press room

Or he/AR are battling TT/Pat

[denverYooper]

I think the sense of helplessness is more, to see the other team's best player show up the week you play them has to be disheartening.

Especially given Chicago's current defense. Lovie's C2 used to give Rodgers all kinds of problems. This unit is not that one.

[pbmax]

Packer fans are just ahead of the curve. Everyone watches this now, but how many were download the transcript (Patler) or creating one (me) five years ago?

Should made a website out of it. :D

[red]

Soon we will be back to wondering why Lacy isn't getting enough carries.

yup, why aren't we running enough? and why does our D suck so bad?

all will be back to normal in packerland

[denverYooper]

AARON RODGERS COLLARBONE FULL

[pbmax]

Especially given Chicago's current defense. Lovie's C2 used to give Rodgers all kinds of problems. This unit is not that one.

Reminds me of the Urlacher that Hawk pulled last week for his INT.

[red]

here we go

AROD IS THE STARTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fosco33]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[red]

HE"S BACK

[pbmax]

Bingo. Recalculate those playoff odds Football Outsiders.

[Packers4Glory]

add another reason to be shitting my pants sunday...waiting for our RT to get blown past for a clean hit on the QB.....

[Fosco33]

Ok reporters. What about a cobb question.

[channtheman]

Exciting news! Now what about Cobb?

[channtheman]

Cobb to be evaluated tomorrow.

[Guiness]

I think the sense of helplessness is more, to see the other team's best player show up the week you play them has to be disheartening.


Bingo. Recalculate those playoff odds Football Outsiders.

I agree, it has to be a huge hit to morale for the Bears. I'm sure it feels to them like they have a solid chance to win if Rodgers doesn't play, and they have to know the pendulum has swung in the Pack's favor with this announcement. Salt in the wound: Cobb looking good.

[denverYooper]

Cobb is in a good place.
M3 expects Lacy to play.

Getting the band back together.

[Packers4Glory]

cobb returning would be almost as big. That's another dynamic weapon on offense for whoever is throwing the rock. Just sucks ass that our young stud RB likely won't be a factor. That's just how the season has gone. Get one piece back another one falls.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 2m
MM: "I thought Randall had very good day today. He has his evaluation tomorrow. I feel a lot better now. He took a step in that direction."

[Fosco33]

"Not putting this game all on Aaron's shoulders" --- good thing M3 - it's still a little fragile.

[red]

Just sucks ass that our young stud RB likely won't be a factor. That's just how the season has gone. Get one piece back another one falls.

what do you mean?

m3 just said he fully expects lacy to play sunday

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2m
MM: Eddie wont' need to practice tomorrow to play but I'd be surprised if he didn't take the normal about of reps on Friday

[pbmax]

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 8s
Practice participation: Rodgers full; Neal, Perry, Pickett, Quarless limited; B. Jones, Lacy, Taylor DNP; Matthews out. That's all.

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1m
MM: You talk to the league on situations like (final 10 secs). Had conversation on Monday with the league. Those are private conversations

[Cheesehead Craig]

Whoo Hooo!!!!

[Guiness]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1m
MM: You talk to the league on situations like (final 10 secs). Had conversation on Monday with the league. Those are private conversations

Good none-answer re: the final 10 seconds. Much as it makes you crazy, it's water under the bridge and there is no point in devoting energy to it.

[Packers4Glory]

what do you mean?

m3 just said he fully expects lacy to play sunday

he won't last the game or be particularly effective. bank on it. Starks will get the majority of the touches. Bell may end up with more than Lacy.

[denverYooper]

Bingo. Recalculate those playoff odds Football Outsiders.

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 2m
Based on the dif in GB's wei off DVOA now and when he went out, Rodgers healthy changes GB playoff odds from 33% to 48%.

< 50% still seems wrong, but...

I guess GB has to win outright. They can't tie.

Still, I'll be surprised if GB is not favored to win now.

[channtheman]

add another reason to be shitting my pants sunday...waiting for our RT to get blown past for a clean hit on the QB.....

He'll just have to do what he did in the Atlanta game a few years ago. Watch from about 2:45 to the end.


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81db5330/GameDay-Packers-vs-Falcons

[George Cumby]

Fuckin' A.

It's go time.

[Packers4Glory]

Adding Rodgers just ups our chances provided he can stay on the field. The bears offense sucked last week but they've been good all season. Our defense vs Forte, Marshall, Jefferies, and Bennett is a terrible matchup for us. We are likely going to need to put up a huge number to win this game.

MM had better not get pass happy just because he's got Rodgers back. This bears team has been gashed in the run game as badly as we have recently. Whether it's Lacy, Starks, or Bell we need to run run run and utilize the play action pass and the quick passing game to protect Rodgers from an O-line that can't pass protect for shit.

I'm certainly not going to sit here and feel much better about the game sunday. I feel a little better but the defense needs to at least create some turnovers if we're going to win.

[woodbuck27]

Yeeeee Hawwaaaa !! :knll: Holy cow, best news in 52 days.

By far the very best PR move the Green Bay Packers had to make. All the rest will disappear with this news.

WOW ! Don't ever sit at the same Texas Holdem table where Aaron Rodgers sits !! :idea:

All that disappears !

I took a small nap as I awoke early this Boxing day. When I awoke it just hit me like a slap in the puss. He's coming back !! That felt so real and when I got downstairs sure enough NFL Access was doing two things .

i) Replaying the huge comeback win in Dallas (again)

ii) Releasing 'breaking news'. That It was just in that Packers HC Mick McCarthy had announced that Aaron Rodgers is back and will start Sunday Vs the Chicago Bears.

If we get Randall Cobb back and Eddie Lacy can remain on his feet we get by the Bears Sunday Dec. 29, and scare the 'H' out of any team that has to play us in round one of the playoffs.

I just jumped in the air and shouted out to Mae:

The PACK is now ...BACK !

This Packer fan is excited !

GO PACK ! .... GO PACKERS GO !! .... GO TEAM GO !!!

[mraynrand]

Adding Rodgers just ups our chances provided he can stay on the field. The bears offense sucked last week but they've been good all season. Our defense vs Forte, Marshall, Jefferies, and Bennett is a terrible matchup for us. We are likely going to need to put up a huge number to win this game.

Trust your corners and get after Cutler. Cutler is mostly tunnel vision on Marshall - he's his first read and he stays on him pretty long. Cover him up and make sure you have awareness that if you go all man, that Cutler will look for the check down and sneak. Make sure you send an extra guy to clobber Cutler. You want him on the bike, but not before the fourth quarter. McCown comes in and then you need to plaster everyone.

[woodbuck27]

Trust your corners and get after Cutler. Cutler is mostly tunnel vision on Marshall - he's his first read and he stays on him pretty long. Cover him up and make sure you have awareness that if you go all man, that Cutler will look for the check down and sneak. Make sure you send an extra guy to clobber Cutler. You want him on the bike, but not before the fourth quarter. McCown comes in and then you need to plaster everyone.

We don't want to see Josh McCown in that game too early.

What a game this will be Ladies and Gentleman.

Whhhhooooo !!

GO PACK GO !

[Packers4Glory]

Trust your corners and get after Cutler. Cutler is mostly tunnel vision on Marshall - he's his first read and he stays on him pretty long. Cover him up and make sure you have awareness that if you go all man, that Cutler will look for the check down and sneak. Make sure you send an extra guy to clobber Cutler. You want him on the bike, but not before the fourth quarter. McCown comes in and then you need to plaster everyone.

yeah except our biggest and only true pass rushing threat is out. Their line is a lot better than it was the last few seasons. Philly got some nice shots on Jay tho. I'd be watching some of that tape for sure.

[denverYooper]

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 2m
Based on the dif in GB's wei off DVOA now and when he went out, Rodgers healthy changes GB playoff odds from 33% to 48%.

< 50% still seems wrong, but...

I guess GB has to win outright. They can't tie.

Still, I'll be surprised if GB is not favored to win now.

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 2m
Incidentally, the Premium picks formula, which is more intricate than the playoff odds formula, now picks GB very slightly. So yeah, 50-50

[mraynrand]

yeah except our biggest and only true pass rushing threat is out. Their line is a lot better than it was the last few seasons. Philly got some nice shots on Jay tho. I'd be watching some of that tape for sure.


Gotta send unconventional pressure on a lot of plays. If nothing else, force Jay to move in a direction he doesn't like. If you do that, it's coming from where he can see it so you have to cut off his quick/hot read. Requires a lot of discipline.

BTW, I disagree about the number one threat being out - by the end, Capers was so often wasting Matthews it was making me sick. But that's a great off-season subject - maybe for a month or so from now..... [/wishful thinking]

[woodbuck27]

yeah except our biggest and only true pass rushing threat is out. Their line is a lot better than it was the last few seasons. Philly got some nice shots on Jay tho. I'd be watching some of that tape for sure.

It's up to Dom Capers and MM and the defensive coach's and players to get their shit together and turn out a solid performance in Chicago this Sunday.

It's my birthday .... so the Packers win ! :bclap:

Just simply believe like you never have before. That's all I request of all of you.

BELIEVE !

BELIEVE in YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[mraynrand]

It's my birthday .... so the Packers win ! .

Is this the big 100?? Congratulations and many happy returns.

[woodbuck27]

Is this the big 100?? Congratulations and many happy returns.

Now that's a hoot !!

I'm feeling pretty young today and most days 'M'.

Life is so so good pour moi.

[Bossman641]

Cutler still tunnels in on Marshall, he did it a lot Sunday night, but they also like to run M Bennett on a lot of routes in the middle and crossing the middle of the field. Jeffrey is used mostly on the sideline, either on deep routes or curls. The Bears like to throw a ton of those 12-15 yard curls and digs. Here's hoping either a safety or LB can undercut one.

[Packers4Glory]

Cutler still tunnels in on Marshall, he did it a lot Sunday night, but they also like to run M Bennett on a lot of routes in the middle and crossing the middle of the field. Jeffrey is used mostly on the sideline, either on deep routes or curls. The Bears like to throw a ton of those 12-15 yard curls and digs. Here's hoping either a safety or LB can undercut one.

bears fans cry and bitch about cutler looking for Marshall on every play all the time. They've got 4 legit weapons on offense but the biggest plays I see them make are jump balls that they come down with. it's stupid.

[pbmax]

Cutler still tunnels in on Marshall, he did it a lot Sunday night, but they also like to run M Bennett on a lot of routes in the middle and crossing the middle of the field. Jeffrey is used mostly on the sideline, either on deep routes or curls. The Bears like to throw a ton of those 12-15 yard curls and digs. Here's hoping either a safety or LB can undercut one.

I think it was a Jeffrey catch that won them the game versus Cleveland, no?

[gbgary]

hopefully cobb returns too.

[Bossman641]

I think it was a Jeffrey catch that won them the game versus Cleveland, no?

Yep, although that was more on the Cleveland DB playing the ball horribly. He's been on a real tear over the second half of the year and has come down with jump ball TD's over Minn and Dallas.

[mraynrand]

I think it was a Jeffrey catch that won them the game versus Cleveland, no?

pretty much, and that was a jump ball.

[Guiness]

Jeffrey should be a big concern, he's a viable 2nd option...at least he was with McCown. He had 6 catches against the Eagles so Cutler is aware he exists.

It will be interesting to see how these two get covered Sunday, I think it will be one of the keys to the game for the Pack on defense. Well, that and how Forte will be handled with Jolly gone, that bothers me as well.

[woodbuck27]

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 2m
Incidentally, the Premium picks formula, which is more intricate than the playoff odds formula, now picks GB very slightly. So yeah, 50-50

http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/green-bay-chicago-odds-december-29-2013

Has us moved from (zero points spread - awaiting any Rodgers decision) to 2.5 point favourites Packers, and on the road no less and assuming any rust and Aaron's game. The Packers are posted as -3 Point fav's elsewhere.

If defense wins championships and if that's true. Then Chicago Bears have no shot. Simply move over for the Aaron Rodgers led Packers, :razz:. The Chicago Bears defense has been really bad and Packers offense kept on trucking with Matt Flynn behind center.

Aaron Rodgers knows after a good view from the sidelines that he can count on a Packers running game. A running game that helps Green Bay dominates the time of possession when put on demand by MM play calls.

As a negative for the Packers. Defensive playmaker leader Clay Matthews III is likely out with thumb injury. Yet is that the sure case?

Look at what's going on in Dallas. Earlier it was declared that their QB Tony Romo was gone for week 17 and needed surgery on his back. Romo wants to get ready and try for his team. he ws the heart of that comeback last week Vs the Washington Redskins rare exploits, had them 'almost' winning that game.

At this time of the season and if your team has any shot at the playoffs... you better man up.

Some facts:

The Packers failed ATS with Aaron Rodgers out,; any of that is now moot. It's a start again.

The Chicago Bears... 3-9 ATS in its last 12 games.

Packers Vs Bears:

Packers are 5-1 ATS in their last 6 meetings.

Favorite is 5-1 ATS in their last 6 meetings. The Packers are favourites.

Bears are 1-7-1 ATS in their last 9 home games. Hello Bears here come 'the Green Bay Packers'.

I like it and I like it a lot. It's a BEAR hunt.

GO PACK...GO PACKERS GO !!

[woodbuck27]

Jeffrey should be a big concern, he's a viable 2nd option...at least he was with McCown. He had 6 catches against the Eagles so Cutler is aware he exists.

It will be interesting to see how these two get covered Sunday, I think it will be one of the keys to the game for the Pack on defense. Well, that and how Forte will be handled with Jolly gone, that bothers me as well.

Comment woodbuck27:

There's a lot in the Bears offense not to discount or disrespect.

The Bears receiving core is certainly if incorporated properly 'a certain challenge' for the Green Bay Packers secondary. Our DB's have to be at their very best or the task ahead for our refound QB will go for naught.

The Bears have a tall and strong receiving core and when clicking on all cylinders extremely difficult to hold down.

WR Alshon Jeffrey - 6' 3", 216 lbs and (86 rec's for 1341 yards and 7 TDs) gets what WR Brandon Marshall - 6' 4", 230 lbs. ( 94 Rec's for 1,221 yards and 11 TD's) is denied. Both at > 1000 yards receiving is impressive. Alshon Jeffrey is a human highlight reel. Don't forget WR Earl Bennett who has been excused from Bears practise again this week because of personal issues and family adds depth ( 32 Rec's. for 243 yards and 4 TD's).

That's 22 TDs through the air with three WR's. Unimpressed!?

The Bears have a tall strong TE in Martellus Bennett ( 64 receptions for 744 yards and 5 TDS.)

We're now up to 27 TD's.

There isn't 'at least arguably' a better dual threat RB in the NFL than the Bears RB Matt Forte.

After 1,776 total yards rushing and receiving add 9 more TD's !.

There's five offensive Bears and an impressive 36 TD's.

That's some juice right there !

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10197586

ESPN's Countdown Daily Prediction: Green Bay Packers @ CHIAGO Bears

Publish Date: Today, 05:34 PM ET Duration: 00:35

and :

Cutler looks beyond horrid past vs. Packers

December, 26, 2013 ... 5:34 PM EST

By: Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com

Etc...Etc...Etc.

GO PACKERS GO !

[bobblehead]

I think the sense of helplessness is more, to see the other team's best player show up the week you play them has to be disheartening.

Better yet, you did the damage. 7 teams benefited from the damage. Now he is back in time to (hopefully) knock you out of the playoffs.

This just proves that God has a twisted sense of humor...and hates the Bears.

[bobblehead]

add another reason to be shitting my pants sunday...waiting for our RT to get blown past for a clean hit on the QB.....

MM, quit fucking around with undrafted FA's and bullshit useless marshmallows and put Sherrod in there.

[bobblehead]

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 2m
Based on the dif in GB's wei off DVOA now and when he went out, Rodgers healthy changes GB playoff odds from 33% to 48%.

< 50% still seems wrong, but...

I guess GB has to win outright. They can't tie.

Still, I'll be surprised if GB is not favored to win now.

Vegas makes the Packers -2.5 favorites. That is over 50%, and they are the true experts on this stuff.

[bobblehead]

Adding Rodgers just ups our chances provided he can stay on the field. The bears offense sucked last week but they've been good all season. Our defense vs Forte, Marshall, Jefferies, and Bennett is a terrible matchup for us. We are likely going to need to put up a huge number to win this game.

MM had better not get pass happy just because he's got Rodgers back. This bears team has been gashed in the run game as badly as we have recently. Whether it's Lacy, Starks, or Bell we need to run run run and utilize the play action pass and the quick passing game to protect Rodgers from an O-line that can't pass protect for shit.

I'm certainly not going to sit here and feel much better about the game sunday. I feel a little better but the defense needs to at least create some turnovers if we're going to win.

Agreed. Remember, we almost beat the Bears after Rodgers got hurt because of a few huge runs by Lacy against a loaded front no less.

[bobblehead]

Gotta send unconventional pressure on a lot of plays. If nothing else, force Jay to move in a direction he doesn't like. If you do that, it's coming from where he can see it so you have to cut off his quick/hot read. Requires a lot of discipline.

BTW, I disagree about the number one threat being out - by the end, Capers was so often wasting Matthews it was making me sick. But that's a great off-season subject - maybe for a month or so from now..... [/wishful thinking]

Dear Woody Johnson,

Please fire Rex Ryan, he isn't a good head coach.

Sincerely,

Mike McCarthy

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Dear Woody Johnson,

Please fire Rex Ryan, he isn't a good head coach.

Sincerely,

Mike McCarthy

rex ryan would never, EVER take an assistant head coaching job in green bay

NEVER

[woodbuck27]

rex ryan would never, EVER take an assistant head coaching job in green bay

NEVER

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/making-the-case-for-rex-ryan-to-return-as-jets-coach-in-2014-1.6677902

Making the case for Rex Ryan to return as Jets coach in 2014

December 26, 2013 7:58 PM

By: BOB GLAUBER bob.glauber@newsday.com


“We’re going to start with the injury report, obviously. Manning, Clark, Addai, Reggie Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Brackett—all those guys will not play. Oh, hold up. That was my wish list for Santa Claus.” Rex Ryan

[bobblehead]

rex ryan would never, EVER take an assistant head coaching job in green bay

NEVER

You know this how? Anyway, Mike and Mike this morning discussed this very thing. They said that Rexy isn't a great HC, but if he were to slide into GB as a DC he would be perfect (and they speculated Dominator might "retire")

[woodbuck27]

Dear Woody Johnson,

Please fire Rex Ryan, he isn't a good head coach.

Sincerely,

Mike McCarthy

"There are players out there who think they are bad a****, and you just might see two of our players knock the hell out of him. Pow! Pow! That's our mentality. Everything we do is aggressive and, hey, we may make a mistake, but we will go one hundred miles per hour and we will knock the hell out of you. Big hits create turnovers. You haven't been Punked—you've been Dotted!" Rex Ryan

[pbmax]

rex ryan would never, EVER take an assistant head coaching job in green bay

NEVER

I hear women in Wisconsin have beautiful feet!

What a recruiting trip that would be. "Here's the Bariatric Surgery Center, here is a Shoney's and here is Ole and Lena's Kink Dungeon."

[bobblehead]

I hear women in Wisconsin have beautiful feet!

What a recruiting trip that would be. "Here's the Bariatric Surgery Center, here is a Shoney's and here is Ole and Lena' Kink Dungeon."

On the day of his visit all female office personnel will be required to have a fresh pedicure and wear open toed shoes.

[woodbuck27]

You know this how? Anyway, Mike and Mike this morning discussed this very thing. They said that Rexy isn't a great HC, but if he were to slide into GB as a DC he would be perfect (and they speculated Dominator might "retire")

First we need a parody to become a reality. The day after our season ends and anything less for sure than a loss in the NFC Final. If we do get there still can his ass. He's become a disguise of his former self. He's done, cooked, burnt, finished for the past two seasons.

For MM to hang onto this guy is to invite his own disaster next season. The Packers need a fresh look on defense that includes a defense.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1869318-should-the-packers-consider-replacing-defensive-coordinator-dom-capers

Dom Capers for something else out of Green Bay.

Heave him !!! Please MM !!! His time came and went many moons ago.

GO PACKERS ... GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

I hear women in Wisconsin have beautiful feet!

What a recruiting trip that would be. "Here's the Bariatric Surgery Center, here is a Shoney's and here is Ole and Lena's Kink Dungeon."

and

I) complete with a BMI calculator.

ii) a $200$ Gift Card for here:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0YJxhBKygl5f0-leR4jDrUq0mbdd1PN3YMaP1m-L7F-kE69vJBA

iii) Some titillating dinner talk based in crap like this that encourages salivation in certain types:

My living hell in the dungeon: " He'd starve me, beat me, scream at me ... and then he'd want a cuddle," says **Natascha Kampusch

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309370/Natascha-Kampusch-My-living-hell-dungeon.html

** My first thought was:

Did he know your language? My second... Why did you leave that bar with him?

Go ?... Ohh No ! :razz:

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I hear women in Wisconsin have beautiful feet!

What a recruiting trip that would be. "Here's the Bariatric Surgery Center, here is a Shoney's and here is Ole and Lena's Kink Dungeon."

its better then it is in illinois where they have hoofs

[red]

On the day of his visit all female office personnel will be required to have a fresh pedicure and wear open toed shoes.

screw the open toed shes, thats covering way too much

barefoot tuesday at the packer offices is the day to have rex come in for a visit

[Freak Out]

:)

[bobblehead]

screw the open toed shes, thats covering way too much

barefoot tuesday at the packer offices is the day to have rex come in for a visit

Reinforcing the image of wisconsinites as a bunch of hill billies.

[woodbuck27]

Reinforcing the image of wisconsinites as a bunch of hill billies.

Especially if they originate from up North in the Wausau, Wisconsin area.

See them there are Timm's Hill, Price County, people. Visit High Point village on the shore of Bass Lake and a stone's throw from Timm's Hill. Investigate a stay at the "Northern Sky" lodge. A breathtaking area in the Fall.

Some folk in the Wausau area say Marathon County's 'Rib Mountain' is Wisconsin's highest point. Wrong. Rib Mountain, a skiing destination; and once known as Rib Hill a few honest and down to earth generations ago, rises to 1924 ft. above sea level. Timm's Hill in Price County to the northwest is the highest at 1952.5 ft. give or take an inch. You see...Rib Mountain stands higher above the surrounding terrain than any other hill in Wisconsin. Something for the Marathoners to brag about !

In the also ran award category. Pearson Hill, about 0.5 miles from Timm's Hill, is only 8 1/2 inchs lower than Timm's Hill.

Who was that man that did all those measurements?

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/falla.jpg

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/summera.jpg

" Timm's Hill an inconspicuous high bump on a moraine." That moraine was deposited by a glacier in the last Ice Age. Nowhere is the glacier's mark upon the land more impressive than in Northern Wisconsin. A poorly drained rocky landscape dotted with lakes, marshes, and bogs. The Wisconsin Glaciation lasting from about 100,000 to 10,000 years ago.

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/fallb.jpg

" Ring School Road on the northern side of Bass Lake, and the way to Timm's Hill Park and Tower."

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/fallc.jpg

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/hiptc.jpg

High Point Village

A great jump off spot for cross country skiing, skating, snowshoeing, ice fishing in the winter, and boating and swimming in the summer.

Take in the Great Upper Wisconsin Mud Wrestling Championships, held ...well check with the locals.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSh0Iz5u1gpT4wE1B5fMTA0Tvl22sitf mKO-gTlY0c1UU_OqLrO

This is nice country.

http://www.wisconsincentral.net/LandTOC/Land/TimmsHill_files/walka.jpg

Go anywhere and mention the Green Bay Packers and you'll get your ear talked off. Everybody in this area is a Packer fan or their not admitting otherwise.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDXYB2oOgmrYinNZqVh8X0OH5VDx6tr CgPlWkyozVOGJ6qT64h

Yup ... shoeless Packer fans all summer long.

Damn those country gals are purrrty.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcReHTG19zDdMntxKNqN2orGOL8QvIGW4 fteFbm4yjUKIxikVOOA

But watch out for their brothers:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4_EBRcLjLyQW-OE_NEHH_PhKIqnQRTK9FP8ZZEKWO1mQmhG1krw

They got their good looks from their auntie Dot;

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUupERB63yAlsS2jctBhLF25qn-q0QlFjImtx-DXVqwW2dDhLv

Look at this die hard Packer fan after he proudly cheers;

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJQShtUtmTo5vR69dwdqFKB6oIPNjHf 8ys0BmWPzzVtpvSIhhc:

GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

Way to go Woody, now I'm homesick.

[Freak Out]

Holy shit. :)

[woodbuck27]

Way to go Woody, now I'm homesick.

I just did a little research and 'snap' the whole idea came to me.

That post was educational for me and as usual ......fun.

I love the humorous side of life bobblehead.