coaching rotation is starting

[Guiness]

Great article on new Browns HC, Mike Pettine.

http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/01/new-browns-head-coach-mike-pettine-i-ask-for-privacy-during-this-difficult-time

lol

Looks like he may have made a bit of a power play, forcing the Browns to make a decision before the SB was done and they could interview candidate from the Broncos and Seahawks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/24/pettine-would-have-withdrawn-if-browns-search-had-gone-longer/

If they'd called his bluff and he'd done it, the Browns would have looked even worse, if that's possible.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317690/article/buffalo-bills-hire-jim-schwartz-to-run-defense

Buffalo Bills hire Jim Schwartz to run defense.

By Kevin Patra ...Around the League writer ... Published: Jan. 24, 2014 at 09:56 PM

Updated: Jan. 24, 2014 at 11:21 PM

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317416/article/mike-pettine-almost-pulled-out-of-browns-search

The BROWNS have their man to be the Teams new Head coach:

Mike Pettine almost pulled out of Browns' search.

By: Gregg Rosenthal ... Around The League Editor ... Published: Jan. 24, 2014 at 08:56 a.m.

Updated: Jan. 24, 2014 at 09:55 a.m.

" The winding Cleveland Browns coaching search was the subject of a lot of jokes over the last few weeks, but the protracted timeline was no laughing matter to new coach Mike Pettine.

He wasn't sure how much longer he could stay in the race.

"That was starting to wear on me these last couple of days," Pettine told WGR-AM in Buffalo. "I talked to (coach) Doug (Marrone) and it was getting to the point where I'd say, 'Hey, if this goes on much longer I need to pull out because it's just not fair to the Bills.'" ..." FR. LINK

Comment woodbuck27:

That fella has been running a decent 'D' in Buffalo.

GO PACKERS !

[pbmax]

Woody, you have to follow the threads inside the thread:

Woodbuck: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771301&viewfull=1#post771301

Guiness: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771305&viewfull=1#post771305

Rand: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771329&viewfull=1#post771329

Bortles is a QB, not a coach. (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1749727/blake-bortles)

[woodbuck27]

Woody, you have to follow the threads inside the thread:

Woodbuck: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771301&viewfull=1#post771301

Guiness: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771305&viewfull=1#post771305

Rand: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26364-coaching-rotation-is-starting&p=771329&viewfull=1#post771329

Bortles is a QB, not a coach. (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1749727/blake-bortles)

I generally read the threads pbmax. I'm hardly 'a member' that posts here without a clue of what's going on overall. I certainly pay attention.

My response to you and your specific finding an error/ommission on my part, pbmax:

There wasn't any error in my post that you make reference to pbmax.

SEE post #244...my post.

If I made an error (maybe) in you mind it was introducing that line of thought to this thread. It wasn't my intention to do that... simply to make available 'a thought' of what any HC prospect might deem difficult, when considering the Cleveland Browns as a Team to be a Head Coach for.

The BROWNS 'in fact' selected the HC prior to the upcoming draft as they would have been advised to.

Have a great weekend...pbmax

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/24/5340538/dolphins-gm-search-narrowing-down-to-gaine-dawson

Dolphins GM search narrowing down to Gaine, Dawson

By: Kevin Nogle  @thephinsider .......... on Jan 24 2014, 7:01AM

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/24/5340538/dolphins-gm-search-narrowing-down-to-gaine-dawson

Dolphins GM search narrowing down to Gaine, Dawson

By: Kevin Nogle  @thephinsider .......... on Jan 24 2014, 7:01AM

PACKERS !

Comment woodbuck27: I'm checking to see where this story went?

See my post #256 that contradicts that the New Orleans Saints player personnel director Ryan Pace, may be in the running for the opening as GM of the Miami Dolphins.

If this has suddenly changed? I havn't determined that as a fact and why. I'm on it.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/01/mickey_loomis_ryan_pace.html

New Orleans Saints' *** Mickey Loomis has high praise for Ryan Pace, team's director of player personnel.

*** New Orleans Saints GM Mickey Loomis.

By: Katherine Terrell, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune ... Email the author | Follow on Twitter

Story on January 21, 2014 at 2:30 PM, updated January 21, 2014 at 4:38 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/114106/loomis-secret-is-out-on-ryan-pace

(Mickey) Loomis: Secret is out on Ryan Pace

January, 22, 2014 ... 10:00 AM ET

By: Mike Triplett | ESPN.com

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/25/5346198/patriots-nick-caserio-reportedly-offered-dolphins-gm-position?utm_source=thephinsider&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=blogs

(Nick) Caserio Offered Dolphins GM Position And then Turns Down Dolphins To Stay With Pats

By James McKinney  @Texascowpunk on Jan 25 2014, 9:49 PM

Comment woodbuck27:

It's really something to see what's going on here with Miami and the hunt for their new GM.

Anybody here want the job? :-D

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/26/5347258/dolphins-hire-dennis-hickey-as-new-general-manager/in/5052327

Breaking News Dolphins add Dennis Hickey as GM

Dolphins hire Dennis Hickey as new General Manager

By Kevin Nogle  @thephinsider on Jan 26 2014, 11:31 AM

" The Miami Dolphins have landed their new General Manager. After a long, methodical search, which included several potential candidates turning down interviews, or even the job, the team has hired former Tampa Bay Buccaneers Director of Player Personnel Dennis Hickey as their new GM. "

REFERENCE: See Post #260

[woodbuck27]

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/24/5341528/hyde-five-misconceptions-about-dawn-Aponte

Hyde: Five misconceptions about Dawn Aponte

Posted by: Kevin Nogle on Jan 24, 2014


An interesting look at Dawn Aponte and her role with the Dolphins.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24423956/rams-hire-gregg-williams-as-defensive-coordinator

Rams hire Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer ... January 29, 2014 3:20 pm ET

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000320589/article/kyle-shanahan-longshot-for-cleveland-browns-oc-job

Kyle Shanahan longshot for Cleveland Browns' OC job

By Kevin Patra ... Around the League writer

Published: Jan. 30, 2014 at 06:02 p.m.

Updated: Jan. 31, 2014 at 12:09 a.m.

[Guiness]

Kyle Shanahan gets a 3yr contract (cause that matters, Chud had a 4yr one...). I can't believe he landed on his feet so fast after the train wreck that Washington was. I don't get why anyone would be interested in bringing him on board.

[Smidgeon]

Kyle Shanahan gets a 3yr contract (cause that matters, Chud had a 4yr one...). I can't believe he landed on his feet so fast after the train wreck that Washington was. I don't get why anyone would be interested in bringing him on board.

Because he isn't Mike?

[mraynrand]

Kyle Shanahan gets a 3yr contract (cause that matters, Chud had a 4yr one...). I can't believe he landed on his feet so fast after the train wreck that Washington was. I don't get why anyone would be interested in bringing him on board.

It's Cleveland and the three stooges - what do you expect?

[Guiness]

Because he isn't Mike?

It's Cleveland and the three stooges - what do you expect?

Maybe, and I'm sure I don't know.

[Bretsky]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24423956/rams-hire-gregg-williams-as-defensive-coordinator

Rams hire Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer ... January 29, 2014 3:20 pm ET



INTERESTING THOUGHTS; WE REALLY TRIED TO GET THIS GUY ?

HOW MANY would take Greg Williams NOW instead of Capers.........
Fire Capers and hire Williams.


YES or NO ??

[bobblehead]

INTERESTING THOUGHTS; WE REALLY TRIED TO GET THIS GUY ?

HOW MANY would take Greg Williams NOW instead of Capers.........
Fire Capers and hire Williams.


YES or NO ??

Yes before when we were a 4-3 team. No now. Williams is a really good DC, headhunting aside.

[Guiness]

Chudzinski lands on his feet (sort of) getting getting some sort of an assistant job in Indi. Didn't see that coming, figured he'd be out of work for a while.

[Fritz]

Wow, the Browns are still one big tire-fire.

They've been burnt toast ever since "The Fumble" way back when.

Is it worse to be a Browns fan or a Lions fan?

[smuggler]

Browns fan. At least Lion fans have been able to cheer for Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson.

[pbmax]

Browns fan. At least Lion fans have been able to cheer for Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson.

The Browns are an answer about what is worse, close bitter losses or blowouts.

The close, bitter losses in the playoffs on their own errors look like Shangri-La compared to now.

[mraynrand]

The Browns are an answer about what is worse, close bitter losses or blowouts.

The close, bitter losses in the playoffs on their own errors look like Shangri-La compared to now.

Ya, the Browns fans usually think the season is over before it begins. Sometimes there is hope in the first game, but usually it's gone by halftime.

[Guiness]

Wow, the Browns are still one big tire-fire.

They've been burnt toast ever since "The Fumble" way back when.

Is it worse to be a Browns fan or a Lions fan?

Not sure...but both are better than being a Bear or Maple Leaf's fan, near as I can tell.

[mraynrand]

Banner and Lombardi OUT in Cleveland. Ray Farmer will remain as GM. Haslam promises to continue interfering.

comments:


Adam Schefter: " For those who lost track...Browns have now had 3 different head coaches and 3 different GMs in the last 407 days. Decent."

"At least the search for the new #Browns head coach next year will run more smoothly."

"#Browns will get blasted for being dysfunctional and rightfully so but it's absolutely right move getting those two clowns out."

"I love the #Browns, and when I say love, I mean hate."



Did Farmer Know?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323839/article/ray-farmer-browns-ready-to-redefine-history-books


Note Browns lapel points downward: Factory of Sadness!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgNPVBdCMAAn5Q5.jpg:large

[MadScientist]

Even if this is the right move for the Brownies, it was still done backwards. Farmer was not involved in selecting the HC, so unless the 'two clowns' got a gem the dysfunction will continue for another year. Even if the coach is good, he's likely to be looking over his shoulder all next season.


For those around here wanting to blow things up after yet another playoff loss, be careful what you wish for.

[Guiness]

Banner and Lombardi OUT in Cleveland. Ray Farmer will remain as GM. Haslam promises to continue interfering.


PFT is blowing up with this. Getting rid of Lombardi (and probably Banner) are good choices but wow what a mess they've got there. Haslam is quickly vaulting himself into the owner stratosphere that includes Al Davis and Daniel Snyder, with honourable mention to Jerry Jones and Georgia Frontiere.

[MadScientist]

PFT is blowing up with this. Getting rid of Lombardi (and probably Banner) are good choices but wow what a mess they've got there. Haslam is quickly vaulting himself into the owner stratosphere that includes Al Davis and Daniel Snyder, with honourable mention to Jerry Jones and Georgia Frontiere.

Don't see how you put Jones as only an honorable mention.

In other Cleveland news, Haslam is planning to offer a mail in rebate to fans who purchase season tickets.

[Guiness]

Don't see how you put Jones as only an honorable mention.

In other Cleveland news, Haslam is planning to offer a mail in rebate to fans who purchase season tickets.

Mostly because Jones has managed to put an at least respectable team on the field most years, despite his best efforts.

Are you joking about the rebates? I'm honestly not sure!!!

[Striker]

Even if this is the right move for the Brownies, it was still done backwards. Farmer was not involved in selecting the HC, so unless the 'two clowns' got a gem the dysfunction will continue for another year. Even if the coach is good, he's likely to be looking over his shoulder all next season.


For those around here wanting to blow things up after yet another playoff loss, be careful what you wish for.

That's the joy of having the single, "knows everything" owner.

Utter dysfunction.

[pbmax]

Usually a single owner of a successful business has an idea about how to run the thing.

There were year long reports of dysfunction in the front office (between Banner and Lombardi) and with Lombardi running roughshod over the coach on the roster and backup QB after the injury. There was even a mention today that if Adam Case had been smart and took a new job, he would have brought along ex-Packer and Disciple of Ted (also acquirer of some of San Fran's roster) Scot McCloughan, which would have ousted Lombardi.

So, in typical Browns fashion, they did the right thing about a month too late.

[mraynrand]

A pretty unshakable rule is that once you get a long term gig on TV as an 'analyst,' you should never go back to the show.

[Guiness]

And this is why I called it a rotation.

Lombardi lands on his feet in New England
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/13/reports-michael-lombardi-to-join-patriots-front-office/

And the Browns continue to cause themselves bad PR - the whole McDaniels thing is turning into a he said/she said ordeal. Reports are coming out both that McDaniels was in the running until the end, and that he declined a 2nd interview. Best part is that it seems these reports don't seem to be conflicting :wow:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/13/report-mcdaniels-wanted-browns-job-was-a-candidate-to-the-end/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/13/source-mcdaniels-declined-second-interview-with-browns/

[mraynrand]

Lombardi’s role with the Patriots is unclear.

should be interesting. Wonder if he'll suggest hiring Matt Millen in some capacity.

[pbmax]

Frankly I don't get the Mike Lombardi love. He has been with Belichick before, but his rep is less than stellar and he is considered difficult to work with. I wonder what skill he has that Belichick is happy to have?

[mraynrand]

Frankly I don't get the Mike Lombardi love. He has been with Belichick before, but his rep is less than stellar and he is considered difficult to work with. I wonder what skill he has that Belichick is happy to have?


http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/columbustelegram.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/8c/58c63e06-c76a-11e1-9740-0019bb2963f4/4ff6e13e8df4a.preview-620.jpg

[mraynrand]

^^^^ I'm sorry, I don't mean to insult janitors; Been there, done that....

[denverYooper]

Frankly I don't get the Mike Lombardi love. He has been with Belichick before, but his rep is less than stellar and he is considered difficult to work with. I wonder what skill he has that Belichick is happy to have?

Belichick seems to mesh with those types of guys though. By all accounts, McDaniels was a real prick to most people involved with the Broncos before and after his reign there. Bill welcomed him back in New England shortly after he lost his job in Denver.

[pbmax]

Belichick seems to mesh with those types of guys though. By all accounts, McDaniels was a real prick to most people involved with the Broncos before and after his reign there. Bill welcomed him back in New England shortly after he lost his job in Denver.

OK, I can accept that at face value. But McDaniels is supposed to be the guy who goosed the NE offense to its record season run.

What is Lombardi's calling card talent? Was he a fabulous scout?

[KYPack]

OK, I can accept that at face value. But McDaniels is supposed to be the guy who goosed the NE offense to its record season run.

What is Lombardi's calling card talent? Was he a fabulous scout?

Pro personnel dude.

Bill Walsh at SF taught him how to take the pro scouting guys data, boil it down, and figure out the value players to go after. He then did that for the hoody at Cleveland. His major NFL feat was working as the PP guy (and buffer with the HC's) for Al Davis with Oakland for 9 years.

There was a Cleveland writer who summarized (as he saw it) the Cleveland fuck-up. Haslam was all pissed off that the Brownies had another so-so season with a no name coach. Banner and Lombardi assured him they would get that fixed. They fired the Chud and then failed to get a name guy. Haslam threw a hissy fit and fired Banner and Lombardi.

Strange, but maybe true.

[mraynrand]

Pro personnel dude.

Bill Walsh at SF taught him how to take the pro scouting guys data, boil it down, and figure out the value players to go after. He then did that for the hoody at Cleveland. His major NFL feat was working as the PP guy (and buffer with the HC's) for Al Davis with Oakland for 9 years.

There was a Cleveland writer who summarized (as he saw it) the Cleveland fuck-up. Haslam was all pissed off that the Brownies had another so-so season with a no name coach. Banner and Lombardi assured him they would get that fixed. They fired the Chud and then failed to get a name guy. Haslam threw a hissy fit and fired Banner and Lombardi.

Strange, but maybe true.

It's too many cooks. And Haslam doesn't know how to manage an NFL franchise as an owner. He's treating it like running a business, and (I think) doesn't realize what he doesn't know so he can't appropriately delegate authority.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/joe_banner_and_mike_lombardi_e.html#incart_river_d efault#incart_m-rpt-2

[KYPack]

It's too many cooks. And Haslam doesn't know how to manage an NFL franchise as an owner. He's treating it like running a business, and (I think) doesn't realize what he doesn't know so he can't appropriately delegate authority.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/joe_banner_and_mike_lombardi_e.html#incart_river_d efault#incart_m-rpt-2

That's a good article. I was going to ask on here if any of our locals on PR knew what happened up there.

The whole thing from Holmgren to now makes very little sense.

Right now, you have a coach who wasn't hired by the GM & the two don't know each other or have any experience working together?

I doubt it.

Best line I've heard is..." To call the Clevleand Browns a circus is an insult.

To the circus business."

[Guiness]

That's a good article. I was going to ask on here if any of our locals on PR knew what happened up there.

The whole thing from Holmgren to now makes very little sense.

Right now, you have a coach who wasn't hired by the GM & the two don't know each other or have any experience working together?

I doubt it.

Best line I've hear is..." To call the Clevleand Browns a circus is an insult.

To the circus business."

It is good - the writer tries like hell to put a +ve spin on it, but it still looks like the mess it is.

I love that Banner is taking public speaking lessons from Tiki Barber...he was flabbergasted by his firing!

[pbmax]

Retweeted by Pete Dougherty
Tom Dienhart ‏@BTNTomDienhart 9h
Former #Hawkeyes QB and assistant David Raih has joined the Green Bay Packers as an offensive coaching assistant. Smart, hard-working guy.

[Guiness]

Retweeted by Pete Dougherty
Tom Dienhart ‏@BTNTomDienhart 9h
Former #Hawkeyes QB and assistant David Raih has joined the Green Bay Packers as an offensive coaching assistant. Smart, hard-working guy.

Does he have any experience with special teams?

[pbmax]

Does he have any experience with special teams?

Maybe he knows what offenses don't like Outside Linebackers to do.

[mraynrand]

Maybe he knows what offenses don't like Outside Linebackers to do.


Packers seem to like to spit duties outside/inside. Apparently David Raih was the outside receivers coach for Texas Tech - but for just one game. I wonder if they will let him talk to Cobb or the TEs. Actually he was a graduate assistant working with TEs at Iowa and was the high school outreach guy at TT (Texas Tech, TT - oooo, is there a little similarity there? I think so)

Joking aside, this is the kind of guy I was alluding to - you bring in fresh blood that you teach and also he brings a new perspective.

[mraynrand]

More on Raih:

"Between his first stint at Iowa and interning with UCLA, Raih was a medical equipment sales representative for Zimmer Inc. and became the youngest winner of the Presidents Club Award in company history in 2006."

Zimmer makes orthopedic implants, devices, screws, plates, etc. That's perfect - the Packers have an in to get discounts for all the hardware they need for their injured players!

[denverYooper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7hAvNCcAI0vnN.jpg:large
It's too many cooks. And Haslam doesn't know how to manage an NFL franchise as an owner. He's treating it like running a business, and (I think) doesn't realize what he doesn't know so he can't appropriately delegate authority.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/joe_banner_and_mike_lombardi_e.html#incart_river_d efault#incart_m-rpt-2

[Striker]

Per PFT:


The Browns’ unpredictable head-coaching search nearly finished with what would have been the most unpredictable outcome of any head-coaching search since Jon Gruden was traded from the Raiders to the Buccaneers a dozen years ago.

Per multiple league sources, the Cleveland Browns nearly pulled off a trade with the 49ers for the rights to coach Jim Harbaugh.

A deal that would have sent multiple draft picks to San Francisco was in place between the teams. But Harbaugh ultimately decided not to leave the 49ers.

The 49ers could not immediately be reached for comment. Efforts to contact the 49ers continue.

The Browns declined to comment specifically on whether an effort was made to acquire Jim Harbaugh. The Browns characterized the search as thorough, and the Browns acknowledged that many options were considered. The Browns emphasized that the team is excited about its new coach Mike Pettine.

A deal would have been stunning, for several reasons. Harbaugh has taken the 49ers to the NFC title game in each of his three years with the team. Also, he would have joined the same division as his brother, Ravens coach John Harbaugh.

Which means they would have been squaring off at least twice per year, and competing directly for division titles and/or wild-card positioning.

Wonder what kind of picks the Browns were offering to make a deal like that?

[Joemailman]

I can't imagine Harbaugh would have even considered that. He would be leaving one of the best teams in football to go to a bad team with a dysfunctional front office that would be minus several draft picks as part of the deal.

[Joemailman]

An unnamed source with the 49ers said the story is untrue, although the 49ers haven't aid anything officially. The Browns said they are very happy with the coach the hired, but they did not deny the story.

[Guiness]

I can't imagine Harbaugh would have even considered that. He would be leaving one of the best teams in football to go to a bad team with a dysfunctional front office that would be minus several draft picks as part of the deal.

There's been stories of friction between Harbaugh and the SF front office for a couple of years, so he might be looking to get out. I can't see him wanting to be in the same division as his brother, playing him twice a year though!

[pbmax]

Leaking the store is a way to light a fire under someone to solve the friction problem with liquidity OR a new job title and responsibilities.

[Teamcheez1]

Can we trade Slocum or Capers to the Browns? We will include picks as part of the deal.

[mraynrand]

Can we trade Slocum to the Browns?

They have a nice box of athletic tape available:

http://sc.soccerpro.com/common/images/6000066_mueller_athletic_tape_zm.jpg

"Team Pack"

[pbmax]

Worse feeling: trading for athletic tape or for 10 bats?

[mraynrand]

Worse feeling: trading for athletic tape or for 10 bats?

bats!

Tragic end for John "Bat Man" Odom
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3950464


Ask the most hard-core baseball fan about John C. Odom and most likely you'll get a blank stare. Yet millions of people have heard of the slender right-hander.

He was "Bat Man" or "Bat Guy" or "Bat Boy," the minor league baseball player traded for 10 maple bats.

It became a big joke last May when word of the unusual swap jumped off the sports pages, and the former San Francisco Giants prospect went from pitcher to punch line.

"People are like, 'I'd kill myself' and stuff," Odom said at the time, dismissing any such notion.

Three weeks after the trade, he abruptly left the team.

Six months after the trade, he was dead.

The medical examiner said Odom's death in Georgia on Nov. 5 at age 26 was an accidental overdose from heroin, methamphetamine, the stimulant benzylpiperazine and alcohol.

[pbmax]

Maybe Jimmy Haslam is not as dumb as we thought. Joe Banner probably is, though.

Report: Browns’ coordinators were to report to Joe Banner (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/24/report-browns-coordinators-were-to-work-under-joe-banner/)

[pbmax]

Further evidence Mike Florio gets confused about how NFL teams are organized:

Mike McCarthy makes it clear he’s in charge of defense (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/24/mike-mccarthy-makes-it-clear-hes-in-charge-of-defense/)

With the exception of Pittsburgh (which violates all rules except public ownership and makes it work) and Dallas (which violates all rules except public ownership and suffers for it), no Defensive Coordinator controls his own staff. At best, he will get to recommend people to help him implement a new scheme, but even that's only one or two guys.

This might, hover belong in Patler's thread: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26569-MM-s-management-style

[Fritz]

I don't really know what the hell is going on at 1265 Lombardi, except it seems clear MM is going to pay more attention to what's going on with the defense.

I'm still not sure what he means by wanting to be "more multiple," but if it means more complicated, I'm in despair. Too many memories of Al Harris arguing with one of the safeties about who was supposed to cover the guy trotting into the end zone with the football.

[3irty1]

I don't really know what the hell is going on at 1265 Lombardi, except it seems clear MM is going to pay more attention to what's going on with the defense.

I'm still not sure what he means by wanting to be "more multiple," but if it means more complicated, I'm in despair. Too many memories of Al Harris arguing with one of the safeties about who was supposed to cover the guy trotting into the end zone with the football.

More multiple should mean less complicated, or at least less volume. Smaller, smarter playbook so that when shits not working or everyone's hurt there is something familiar to default to.

[pbmax]

I don't really know what the hell is going on at 1265 Lombardi, except it seems clear MM is going to pay more attention to what's going on with the defense.

I'm still not sure what he means by wanting to be "more multiple," but if it means more complicated, I'm in despair. Too many memories of Al Harris arguing with one of the safeties about who was supposed to cover the guy trotting into the end zone with the football.


More multiple should mean less complicated, or at least less volume. Smaller, smarter playbook so that when shits not working or everyone's hurt there is something familiar to default to.

I don't think it actually means McCarthy is going to pay MORE attention to defense during the season or during a game. Given McCarthy's predilections to planning, executing the plan and then adjusting after the fact, I think it means he wants Dom to settle on a plan, install it and stick with it until it burns itself out. Don't plan for injuries by limiting what you install so you can have replaceable parts.

In that framework, more multiple would be a larger number of personnel groupings and not just base, nickel and dime.

To 3irty1's point, you would HOPE that each of those is more basic in its execution, since larger numbers of players will be coming on and off the field each down.

And I think the idea is to, at some point, put all you talent on the field in a spot to succeed and let them go. It remains to be seen if Capers can create such a defense. He and Belichick, when they parted ways, were described as not seeing eye to eye on everything on a defense. Belichick may have simplified recently by running 4-3 in base, but he still uses a LOT of moving parts.

[pbmax]

Can someone check my timeline here?

This article says Baalke was pre-approved by Harbaugh before he left Stanford and that York then hired him as GM. Wasn't Baalke the guy who replaced Friend of Ted and ex-Packer Scot McCloughan?

Harbaugh is now battling Baalke for control and McCloughan is getting all kinds of interest as he works for the Seahawks.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/02/25/how-did-the-jim-harbaugh-trent-baalke-breach-open-up-lets-go-back-through-it-owen-marecic-a-j-jenkins-aldon-smith/

[Fritz]

That was a good link. It got me wondering how things are under the surface at 1265 Lombardi.

Anybody hear any good offseason tidbits about Ted and Mike's relationship?