OFFICIAL Wisconsin Badgers v. South Carolina College Gamd Day Thread

[Bretsky]

January 1st in here; in Wisconsin that means the Badgers are usually playing in a primetime Bowl Game. If the mods have an issue with this they can move it into the Badgers area; I was hoping for today it could be left in the prime area while the game goes no.

This is an Epic Game for the Badgers.....getting their shot against one of the most celebrated colleage players in the country and the consensus #1 draft pick in next year's draft until he had some bad character incidents which could cost him.

I still think UW has the talent to compete with anybody in Colleage Football when their QB can be at last average. While we continue to field a solid OL and NFL Calibur running backs, we just can't fine a QB to run this team.

It will be the last game for three great Badgers Sensiors in Chris Borland....who is the type of smash mouth football player I'd love to see in Green Bay....James White...who I once thought was a future NFL star after his freshman year and still has a shot to play some NFL Ball....and , Jared Abbrederis.....who will be the next story of a redshirt freshman to walk on at the UW Madison....only to earn a scholarship and have a successful NFL Career....aka....Jim Leonard.

Melvin Gordon has recently announced his return to the UW Madison next year after flirting with going pro early, and the Badgers defense has been very solid this year. With that being said, I do expect South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney to have a filed day against the Badgers today and this one is going to be a ton of fun to watch.

First the first time in many years, I have a coach for the Badgers football team I can genuinely like a cheer for.

The Penn State loss was rough; we clearly came out flat and it was the first game this year WI was outcoached. With that being said, if Stave still hits his Wide Open Targets in the End Zone....we might win that game.....but still end up in the same bowl we are at.

This could be an EPIC game. My heart bleeds Cardinal and White...but my thoughts are the Badgers lose this one 34=27
I'd love to be the whamm here.

Feel free to post your thoughts now or during the game.

[pbmax]

Go Bucky, let's see The Visor thrown to the ground.

[red]

KEEP IT IN THE BADGERS FORUM

i'll make a poll, don't temp me

i don't get ABC, so no game for me

[MJZiggy]

KEEP IT IN THE BADGERS FORUM

i'll make a poll, don't temp me

i don't get ABC, so no game for me
Me either.

[bobblehead]

KEEP IT IN THE BADGERS FORUM

i'll make a poll, don't temp me

i don't get ABC, so no game for me

Make that poll. Tomorrow at this time we can move the thread if the rats decide so.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

http://firstrowus1.eu/, choose american football, DO NOT click on any popups or you will get malware. I watch all my packer and badger games on this site.

[pbmax]

For some reason Spurrier doesn't bother me nearly as much as Jim Harbaugh. It has to be his sense of humor. Might feel differently in 3.5 hours.

[pbmax]

OK, who live Tweets Badger games?

[mraynrand]

Whether Wisconsin wins or loses makes really is no difference. Seriously, who in three days will sit there ruminating over a loss, when there are zero consequences. Virtually nothing is on the line, so the game is simply boring and dull. All but one game matters in the college post season, except to people interested in scouting for the NFL. Until college football makes a 16 team playoff with 15 fantastic bowl games, all with championship consequences, the amount of excitement for these games will not stretch far beyond immediate friends family and homers. Traditional match ups are dead with conference re-alingments and the shifting sands of the soon to be defunct BCS. Nobody cares who wins the Hunger Games Bowl showing on Dec 27 at 8:30 on ESPN2.

[pbmax]

Pac 12 Officials. This will get ugly at some point.

[pbmax]

Whether Wisconsin wins or loses makes really is no difference. Seriously, who in three days will sit there ruminating over a loss, when there are zero consequences. Virtually nothing is on the line, so the game is simply boring and dull. All but one game matters in the college post season, except to people interested in scouting for the NFL. Until college football makes a 16 team playoff with 15 fantastic bowl games, all with championship consequences, the amount of excitement for these games will not stretch far beyond immediate friends family and homers. Traditional match ups are dead with conference re-alingments and the shifting sands of the soon to be defunct BCS. Nobody cares who wins the Hunger Games Bowl showing on Dec 27 at 8:30 on ESPN2.

Save it for the More Watt thread after the game.

[Bretsky]

Spurrier really don't but me one bit; but the Niners coach has always got under my skin
The SC qb is a winner

[Bretsky]

KEEP IT IN THE BADGERS FORUM

i'll make a poll, don't temp me

i don't get ABC, so no game for me


How can you not get ABC ? I thought even basic TV would get CBS,NBC, FOX, and ABC ?
I just be ignorant as to how TV works since I have Direct TV

[Joemailman]

Not sure if I want to watch this or NHL Winter Classic. Gonna be over 100,000 people at Michigan's Big House for Redwings/Maple Leafs. Remote will get a workout.

[pbmax]

McEvoy ran right by a sack.

[Bretsky]

finally got to the QB; this guy has a natural feel to the game. I think AROL has that as well. Bit 3rd and 16 here

[mraynrand]

Not sure if I want to watch this or NHL Winter Classic. Gonna be over 100,000 people at Michigan's Big House for Redwings/Maple Leafs. Remote will get a workout.

Watch the Winter Classic. At least it means something.

[Bretsky]

Got a stop; SC punting

[pbmax]

How about the Packers hire Aranda to "help" Capers because that was a fantastic reaction to a WR screen.

[Bretsky]

Cory Clement...he might end up being the best of the RB's

[Bretsky]

How about the Packers hire Aranda to "help" Capers because that was a fantastic reaction to a WR screen.

not a bad idea; Aranda is a good coach. Capers might be out the door soon. I still wonder if he's been dealt a bad deck

[mraynrand]

Anybody worth drafting in this game? Otherwise I'm going to watch the Twilight Zone marathon.

[red]

Not sure if I want to watch this or NHL Winter Classic. Gonna be over 100,000 people at Michigan's Big House for Redwings/Maple Leafs. Remote will get a workout.

now that channel i get

hockey it is

although i hate it when they zoom out and show all the open space between the rink and stands

[red]

Anybody worth drafting in this game? Otherwise I'm going to watch the Twilight Zone marathon.

watched some of that yesterday, good but corny old shit

[Bretsky]

Anybody worth drafting in this game? Otherwise I'm going to watch the Twilight Zone marathon.


The best DE in the game is playing for SC but he may fall in the draft due to character concerns
The Badgers have a TE in Pederson should I think will be an NFL Player; James White could be a scat back
Abbrederis I think is the college version of Jordy Nelson and a great route runner; a nice replacement if Jones leaves
Chris Borland IMO will be a pro at LB as well. We could use him

[Bretsky]

Anybody worth drafting in this game? Otherwise I'm going to watch the Twilight Zone marathon.

South Carolina's QB looks like a solid backup for many yrs in the NFL as well

[mraynrand]

The best DE in the game is playing for SC but he may fall in the draft due to character concerns
The Badgers have a TE in Pederson should I think will be an NFL Player; James White could be a scat back
Abbrederis I think is the college version of Jordy Nelson and a great route runner; a nice replacement if Jones leaves
Chris Borland IMO will be a pro at LB as well. We could use him

thanks. I just don't follow college football much anymore and am always surprised to see where the good pros come from.

[pbmax]

Watch the Winter Classic. At least it means something.

I get the playoff thing, and I completely agree. Should also be at least 8 rather than 4. Also realize that writers work both sides of every college and NCAA issue and we are days away from coverage ripping the new playoff system for potentially leaving the obvious 2nd best school out of the playoffs and that it would not have happened in the old, long lamented, superior BCS system.

The Bowl system is archaic but there are some traditions still in place. Neither the Badgers nor SC are out of place in the Capitol One Bowl, formerly the Citrus Bowl. Its meant to be a trip for the Alumni and extra practice for the football team. Its old, a money sink, weezing at this point and needs to be replaced.

But there are times when its still fun. It used to be the only time to see some of these teams. But like InterLeague play in baseball, its past its time.

[Bretsky]

Terrible....Horseshit Stave can't even thrown a ball away...he hits the Badger OL in the leg and it's intercepted. Next Play...Touchdown SC

[pbmax]

Man, the Badgers wasted a good scoring opportunity with a penalty on the line.

Then a tipped ball off someone's leg gives SC an INT.

Its like watching the Packers at this point.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Stave sucks, why or why can't Badgers get a decent quarterback. They would have a hell of a team with a slightly better than average QB.

[pbmax]

Clowney looked like he was playing at Matthews speed when he ran down Gordon from behind. Gordon cannot wait to hit the hole if Clowney is unblocked.

[Bretsky]

Clowney has elite talent but signs are his life might be out of control.....aka....Odell Thurman :)

[mraynrand]

The Bowl system is archaic but there are some traditions still in place. Neither the Badgers nor SC are out of place in the Capitol One Bowl, formerly the Citrus Bowl. Its meant to be a trip for the Alumni and extra practice for the football team. Its old, a money sink, weezing at this point and needs to be replaced.

Without the playoff, the tradition was the huge selling point. And that tradition is totally gone. No one 25 and under has any understanding of bowl history and tradition whatsoever; they want to put their fathers (if they have one) in the retirement home for even talking about traditional match ups in the Cotton Bowl or Rose Bowl.

[pbmax]

That stadium looks old and worn out. Paint peeling everywhere.

[mraynrand]

That stadium looks old and worn out. Paint peeling everywhere.

It's a metaphor for the current bowl system!

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Nice response drive by the Badgers.

[mraynrand]

I will stop bitching about the bowl system now. Sorry guys and gals, I woke up on the wrong side of the year this morning.

[Bretsky]

So far the Badgers seem able to run the ball down SC's throat. Great Drive

The Badger WR IMO is going to have a very sucessful NFL Career. Two guys I'd love to see in Green n Gold are Abbrederis and Borland
But Borland a shorter that 6ft at ILB so I'm doubtful TT would buy into him. Some coach will though.....he's John Offerdahl like...and hell test better than people think at the combine. Some coach will see the fire and fall in love with him.

[Bretsky]

Thank we could just trade the Packers ST coach for the Badgers ST coach ?

[pbmax]

Without the playoff, the tradition was the huge selling point. And that tradition is totally gone. No one 25 and under has any understanding of bowl history and tradition whatsoever; they want to put their fathers (if they have one) in the retirement home for even talking about traditional match ups in the Cotton Bowl or Rose Bowl.

Its kinda funny, but the SEC lawsuit against TV rights opened the can of worms in 1984. A rare successful anti-trust case in the mid 80s. Took the money and control away from the NCAA very quickly in football. The huge money in football put that Dept even MORE in the drivers seat.

They fared better in basketball where the Tourney was the big money draw. Had playoffs come to college football rather than the old boy Bowls, NCAA would still be in the driver seat.

I laugh when anyone blames the NCAA for football violations. They don't even have money to have a full time investigation staff. Yahoo! is the service they use.

The other story that is funny because no one else thinks it is is the demise of the Big East. It was the original formed for TV conference that was widely blamed for breaking up smaller, more local conferences. It made itself hugely vulnerable by expanding to increase its football presence ager being very successful in basketball. The other more stable conferences are now picking over its pieces. The Catholic League/new Big East gets back to a basketball conference that makes sense and will have a decent TV contract.

[pbmax]

Thank we could just trade the Packers ST coach for the Badgers ST coach ?

M3 is stubborn. I don't know what he expects.

[pbmax]

Now that my term paper on collegiate anti-trust and Big East foolishness is over, let me say that Stave's pass/moon shot to the TE should have been picked off. It was late, over the middle and hung in the air forever.

Loved his run to the end zone though.

[Bretsky]

that was a great catch

[pbmax]

Its a catch

[pbmax]

What the heck was that extra point/2 point try?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Yup, nothing Badgers could do, was good coverage, just a hell of a catch.

[pbmax]

Badgers wearing out SC D line.

[pbmax]

Back 7 defenders are very good. Clowney is a basketball power forward playing DE/OLB.

[pbmax]

Ericson is hurt

[pbmax]

Kelly's return is questionable

[pbmax]

WOW! Did not like the pass call, didn't like the pressure, didn't like Stave dancing but he found Duckworth anyway.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I have to guess many experts surprised by Badgers success in the run game.

[pbmax]

I have to guess many experts surprised by Badgers success in the run game.

SC is run blitzing and they have a stoned a couple in the backfield. One of those runs is going to break open though AND the Stave should be able to play action off it.

[pbmax]

That last run let by White worked just like you draw it up on a chalkboard.

However, whoever teaches tackling at SC should be immediately hired by the Packers. Their back 7 don't let go if they get a hand on you.

[pbmax]

Uncalled hit to helmet but that was a terrible play design, no one was open and Stave is unclear enough he did not sense when to throw it away or run forward.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

How the hell did officials miss that facemask?

[pbmax]

How the hell did officials miss that facemask?

Its the Pac 12, see no evil, hear no evil, announce no evil on the PA.

[Bretsky]

when running it down their throat.....why pass on 1st down when you get to the red zone when your qb kind of sux.....

[pbmax]

Turnover. thought it was headed OOB but they got it back. Punch it in!

[pbmax]

when running it down their throat.....why pass on 1st down when you get to the red zone when your qb kind of sux.....

I get you want to break a tendency and inside the 10 you have safeties very close. But you have to make it something convincingly play action.

White slipped on a possible TD.

[pbmax]

HORRIBLE CALL!

[pbmax]

Got some of it back on encroachment.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

And now a horrible holding call.

[pbmax]

Waste of the TO.

[Bretsky]

yup.....and that holding call was an asskicker to the drive

[pbmax]

yup.....and that holding call was an asskicker to the drive

Just terrible, ref reacting to the takedown not realizing he had been decleated by TWO players.

[ThunderDan]

Holding on SC not called there.

[Bretsky]

MILLIONS of viewers saw the holding there ...as well as the announers

but the PAC refs did not

[ThunderDan]

False start.

[ThunderDan]

MILLIONS of viewers saw the holding there ...as well as the announers

but the SEC refs did not

PAC 12

[Bretsky]

PAC 12

yup...I caught myself after I typed it :)

[Bretsky]

WOW; going for it...............

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Another helluva catch.

[ThunderDan]

Great catch. If Wis player plays the man it is incomplete.

[pbmax]

Incredible catch for the first on fourth down. And I think Southward got burned again.

[pbmax]

Great catch. If Wis player plays the man it is incomplete.

Yeah, he gave up the contact after the first tap.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Wisconsin game plan is good, South Carolina just making a couple excellent plays to stay in it. Badgers blitzes are just missing.

[pbmax]

Why oh why did he lean into a hit like that? Sometimes I don't know what is in his head.

[pbmax]

Hurry up Badgers? Oh, oh, right side of neck for Stave.

[ThunderDan]

Good camera work there. Showing a replay as the team goes no huddle.

[pbmax]

Collarbone or shoulder.

[ThunderDan]

Collarbone or shoulder.

Badger fans happy?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Seems to be grabbing the collar bone.

[Bretsky]

What was Stave thinking not sliding ? Does it matter if we have Philips or Stave out there ?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Not sure Phillips is any better, we will see.

[pbmax]

Badger fans happy?

Phillips eliminates the pass threat for all but the simplest routes. SO they can sell out on the run.

Plus side is that there is no film of him. I cannot understand WHY Stave took that hit, though.

I'm not happy about it.

[Bretsky]

Not sure Phillips is any better, we will see.

My thoughts as well....kind of a wash. Stave was thought to throw a much better deep ball....not lately

[Bretsky]

And MAN do they sell out
10 men in the box

[pbmax]

Needed to run something with a counter. SC sold out on crashing inside for the run.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Yuck, unblocked.

[ThunderDan]

And MAN do they sell out
10 men in the box

ARod throws to Cobb for a TD there. Wis runs it into a stacked box and does not get the first down.

[pbmax]

My thoughts as well....kind of a wash. Stave was thought to throw a much better deep ball....not lately

They diid not ask Phillips to throw after he went in. We'll see after they decide on plays and let him warm up properly on the sideline.

Was that Gordon on 4th down? Second time wide guy has caught him.

[pbmax]

FB blew the block. Might have been his second read. O line had a gap over Left Tackle.

[Joemailman]

Anybody else surprised that Nebraska beat Georgia in the Gator Bowl?

Redwings/Leafs tied 1-1 after 2 periods.

[pbmax]

Now this feels like a Badger Bowl game. Losing, offense is limited and other team is going to wear out the D.

[pbmax]

What were the DBs doing? Shelton went deep to intercept a ball he was never going to see. No one challenged the WR.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Two Badgers there and both looked pathetic.

[Bretsky]

They diid not ask Phillips to throw after he went in. We'll see after they decide on plays and let him warm up properly on the sideline.

Was that Gordon on 4th down? Second time wide guy has caught him.

yup...that was Gordon

[Bretsky]

Dammit

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Overall, the Badgers are winning this game, just a few big plays by SC.

[pbmax]

Well, that will put you back in the game!!

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Nice!

[Bretsky]

TO THE STATE OF WISCONSIN FOOTBALL FANS

That is what a big time special teams play looks like

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Finally, a big play by the Badgers.

[pbmax]

Anybody else surprised that Nebraska beat Georgia in the Gator Bowl?

Redwings/Leafs tied 1-1 after 2 periods.

I thnk that's one of those, why are we even in this bowl game? games that happens, like almost National Championship contender Oklahome versus Boise and its Statue of Liberty play.

[pbmax]

Is that what Special Teams are supposed to do? I though catching your blocker and reaching for the ball carrier were the rules.

[pbmax]

Stave never saw that defender closing in to murder his shoulder.

[pbmax]

Shelton never saw the ball.

[pbmax]

Badgers playing some nickel to help in coverage. But going to need to go back to putting pressure on QB

[Bretsky]

very impressed by this QB Shaw....nice backup for AROD

[pbmax]

That should be a TD

[Bretsky]

that PAC Supervisor of officials can shove it right up his asshold

Ask that peckerhead about the Arizona State Game Right frickin now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[channtheman]

The spots of the ball by the refs have been terrible for Wisconsin and great for South Carolina. SC gets an additional yard each play, we get minus 1 yard each play. The phantom hold in the 3rd quarter following the SC fumble was the turning point of the game though. We lost it at that point.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Last drive by South Carolina was the killer....

[pbmax]

Phillips bounces two off Clowney's helmet and second one gets intercepted (did not matter it was fourth down).

But that second one was on the LT cut block. That block was worthless. Clowney barely needed to jump to clear it.

[channtheman]

The play calling in the second half has been terrible. Went away from the really cool option running plays. First drive we run all the way down the field and then do two passes not involving play action. Late in the game we go on 3rd and 4th and 1 and run into a 10 man box right up the middle. We didn't do any of those things in the first half, so not sure why we did them in the second half.

[pbmax]

Back in business again. Can see why SC did not win SEC

[Patler]

that PAC Supervisor of officials can shove it right up his asshold

Ask that peckerhead about the Arizona State Game Right frickin now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let it go, Bretsky, let it go! :lol: :lol:

[channtheman]

Why in the hell are we huddling?

[channtheman]

We should not be throwing. We can still run the ball.

[ThunderDan]

The spots of the ball by the refs have been terrible for Wisconsin and great for South Carolina. SC gets an additional yard each play, we get minus 1 yard each play. The phantom hold in the 3rd quarter following the SC fumble was the turning point of the game though. We lost it at that point.

This.

Refs have given SC at least 30 yards of field position.

[channtheman]

Should be a first down, would be if that was SC.

[Rutnstrut]

The play calling in the second half has been terrible. Went away from the really cool option running plays. First drive we run all the way down the field and then do two passes not involving play action. Late in the game we go on 3rd and 4th and 1 and run into a 10 man box right up the middle. We didn't do any of those things in the first half, so not sure why we did them in the second half.

MM is secretly calling the plays, as is Capers calling the D.

[pbmax]

Dumb. Had White open for a first down and through it into triple coverage trying to get a TD.

[channtheman]

Should NOT be throwing. We could STILL have run it. Ludwig is terrible in the 2nd half.

[pbmax]

Radio said Fredericks was open left as well.

[channtheman]

Radio said Fredericks was open left as well.


He was. Had 2 wide open options. Back to the point though, should be running. Phillips can't throw, and doesn't even need to.

[channtheman]

And after the replay, he actually had his guy open, but doesn't lead him at all. The throw was terrible.

[pbmax]

He was. Had 2 wide open options. Back to the point though, should be running. Phillips can't throw, and doesn't even need to.

Well, 200 yards rushing will make it seem like that. But remember they stoned the last two running short yardage attempts on the first Phillips drive. Unlike Stave, they are not worrying about pass with Phillips in there.

[channtheman]

Wisconsin is the only team that has offensive coordinators that can't take advantage of the best running game in the country.

[channtheman]

Well, 200 yards rushing will tell you that. But remember they stoned the last two running short yardage attempts on the first Phillips drive. Unlike Stave, they are not worrying about pass with Phillips in there.

Those 2 short runs were right up the gut against a stacked box. We didn't do the creative run option plays that were working in the first half. Very uncreative, unlike the first half.

[pbmax]

stop throwing short to Clowney's side Badgers. He's 6' 11".

[pbmax]

Those 2 short runs were right up the gut against a stacked box. We didn't do the creative run option plays that were working in the first half. Very uncreative, unlike the first half.

I think its the same OC and same plays. But its Phillips versus Stave as far as the Defense is concerned.

Wow, that was weird. Radio said that was planned for this game.


EDIT: Well, that is probably too easy. I am sure that after Stave's injury, they did not use the entire playbook on that first drive when Phillips came in.

[channtheman]

I think its the same OC and same plays. But its Phillips versus Stave as far as the Defense is concerned.

Wow, that was weird. Radio said that was planned for this game.


EDIT: Well, that is probably too easy. I am sure that after Stave's injury, they did not use the entire playbook on that first drive when Phillips came in.

Probably not, and then there was NO reason to go for it on 4th and 1. Should have attempted the field goal.

[pbmax]

2 trips to the redzone and 3 points in the second half. They shot themselves in the foot right there.

[channtheman]

The phantom hold very early in the 3rd quarter was a HUGE turning point that you won't hear about.