2013 Packer Re-Draft (Rounds One and Two)

[smuggler]

I'm doing a re-draft for the Packers 2013 draft. I'm going to look at the next five picks after each of the Packers' selections (and the next pick at the actual selected player's position, if it's not in the next five) and make a new selection from that pool.

I want some feedback on my (sure to be controversial) second round. The other five rounds are yet to come.

2013 RE-DRAFT

FIRST ROUND


(26): DATONE JONES, DL

(27) DEANDRE HOPKINS, WR
(28) SYLVESTER WILLIAMS, DL
(29) CORDARELLE PATTERSON, WR
(30) ALEC OGLETREE, LB
(31) TRAVIS FREDERICK, OL

PICK CHANGED >> ALEC OGLETREE


It may be that all of the following five players turn out to be better pros than Datone Jones. I still have doubts that Jones will become a good player. The only other of these players that I feel that way about is the center, Travis Frederick. With that said, Frederick was able to contribute for his team for most of the season, unlike our man Jones. Still, Deitrich-Smith was a comparable player in 2013 and he's already on the team.

In addition to Frederick, both Hopkins and Ogletree were able to contribute over the course of the entire season. Of the three, Hopkins was probably the most successful. However, receiver was a definite position of strength for our team heading into 2013. Considering that receivers usually take a year or two to develop, if we were to take one, we would probably choose the player with the higher ceiling...

That would be the other guy - Cordarelle Patterson. Patterson made some strides as the year went on, but he is still an unfinished product and can't be depended upon in our system without more polish. It would have been interesting to see if he could blossom into a superstar with the Packers in the seasons to come, but our team is concerned with contending for the 2013 title.

Sylvester Williams did start to show signs of emerging late in the season. He probably offers less in the form of penetration than Jones, but he's wider and probably has the better anchor. Frankly, he probably is less of a fit in our defensive scheme than Jones.

Alec Ogletree did everything right in his rookie season; except tackle. He missed 19 tackles in his rookie campaign. For an inside linebacker, that's far, far too many. However, he showed good instincts and impressed me with his speed. He also provides competent coverage in the middle of the field - something Green Bay has been desperate for in the last few seasons. I'm confident that experience and coaching can shore up his little tackling problem.


SECOND ROUND


(55) TRADED FOR (61) + (173)

(55) VANCE MCDONALD, TE
(56) ARTHUR BROWN, LB
(57) DJ SWEARINGER, S
(58) MONTEE BALL, RB
(59) AARON DOBSON, WR


PICK UNCHANGED


Since we already have Ogletree, the temptation to take Arthur Brown is heavily curbed. Brown is a coverage specialist first and foremost. He was used in nickel situations in his rookie campaign. He was nice in pass coverage, but was also effective when he blitzed. Still, Ogletree is already aboard.

Vance McDonald is a receiving specialist who struggles with drops and didn't contribute much in 2013. Speaking of receivers, Dobson had a solid rookie campaign, but we have what he brings to the table in Jordy Nelson.

Montee Ball was impressive against nickel and dime defenses and with a good offensive line blocking for him. He's consistent, but there are other backs to be had in this region of the draft that physically offer more than Ball.

DJ Swearinger was not a good player in 2013, and probably never will be. He's a safety with serious tackling issues. Ogletree got a rookie mulligan for his issues, but Ogletree is significantly more talented than Swearinger and his technique is not near as bad. I would honestly never be truly comfortable with Swearinger in coverage. And to top it all off, he has a bit of a reputation as a headhunter.


(61) EDDIE LACY, RB

(62) CHRISTINE MICHAEL, RB
(63) TRAVIS KELCE, TE
(63) DWAYNE GRATZ, CB
(63) LARRY WARFORD, OL
(63) SIO MOORE, LB


PICK CHANGED >> LARRY WARFORD


With all due respect to the other four guys on this list, there are only two options here: Warford and Lacy.

Larry Warford looks like he will be a dominant guard in the league for years. In fact, he's already a top-5 guard and arguably already the best in the game. Yes. He's that good. It's an amazing value pick at the end of the second round. It's a better value pick than Lacy. However, Green Bay already has two entrenched starters at guard, and a need for consistent production in the running game.

It's just too tempting to take Warford and attempt a shift for Lang to guard. Even if that experiment were to fail, it would still upgrade one position on the offensive line at right guard and empower the running game and help protect our franchise quarterback.

As good as Lacy was in 2013, I fear for his longevity and Warford is the better pick long-term. Also going into this decision is the fact that DuJuan Harris was not yet injured at the time of the draft.

[Pugger]

I voted for Ogletree but how come you don't have Matt Elam as an option?

[woodbuck27]

I voted for Ogletree but how come you don't have Matt Elam as an option?

Hi Pugger...I've been wanting to ask you:

Have you supported your own thread and voted for Eddie Lacy for 2013 NFL ROY a period of 10 minutes continuous voting or about giving him EVEN as few as 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 (or < 50 votes of support) today... yesterday... this past Thursday...past Wednesday......?

Here's the LINK to vote:

http://www.nfl.com/m/voting/rookies/2013/YEAR/0#

[woodbuck27]

Does this POLL allow only 'ONE' choice?

[red]

i liked ogletree about this time last year, but the guy had a ton of red flags. i'm guessing he wasn't even on TT's draft board

i mean the DUI heading into the draft was probably the last straw. he was also suspended 4 games for a substance abuse violation, which probably means it wasn't the first time he was busted. and he had been arrested for theft before that

his talent would have been nice, but he wasn't close to being "packer people"

[red]

if we had drafted matt elam, not only would we have had a much better safety on the field this season, but cobb also doesn't break his leg and miss the whole thing

both sides of the ball would have been much better if we had drafted elam

[mission]

Matt Elam for sure. Guy is a stud.

[smuggler]

Matt Elam didn't fit the criteria I had in the OP. That's why he wasn't included as an option for myself or others. You can make any number of choices when you vote. It seems like people didn't notice that, sadly. There are three groups of options, and I would prefer if people had chose one from each of the three groups.

[Striker]

I say it's too early to say with Jones vs. Ogeltree. The Rams have one of the better d-lines in football, which helps protect the linebackers.

I also prefer the Lacy pick, and the trade back.

[run pMc]

Knowing what I do now, I'd have taken Patterson. He'd have solved the KR problem, been a legit deep threat, and you could feel ok with letting James Jones walk in FA. Quick throws and bubble screens to Patterson can break open in a hurry -- he's something with the ball. Ogletree's missed tackles wouldn't have helped much, and he had major red flags for character.

I'm ok with the Lacy pick. Hard to complain about finding a ROY in R2. Looks like he's a keeper unless the offseason gets him.

It's way too early to say whether Jones was a good or a bad pick. We'll know by this time next year.

[woodbuck27]

I'm doing a re-draft for the Packers 2013 draft. I'm going to look at the next five picks after each of the Packers' selections (and the next pick at the actual selected player's position, if it's not in the next five) and make a new selection from that pool.

I want some feedback on my (sure to be controversial) second round. The other five rounds are yet to come.

2013 RE-DRAFT

FIRST ROUND


(26): DATONE JONES, DL

(27) DEANDRE HOPKINS, WR
(28) SYLVESTER WILLIAMS, DL
(29) CORDARELLE PATTERSON, WR
(30) ALEC OGLETREE, LB
(31) TRAVIS FREDERICK, OL

PICK CHANGED >> ALEC OGLETREE


It may be that all of the following five players turn out to be better pros than Datone Jones. I still have doubts that Jones will become a good player. The only other of these players that I feel that way about is the center, Travis Frederick. With that said, Frederick was able to contribute for his team for most of the season, unlike our man Jones. Still, Deitrich-Smith was a comparable player in 2013 and he's already on the team.

In addition to Frederick, both Hopkins and Ogletree were able to contribute over the course of the entire season. Of the three, Hopkins was probably the most successful. However, receiver was a definite position of strength for our team heading into 2013. Considering that receivers usually take a year or two to develop, if we were to take one, we would probably choose the player with the higher ceiling...

That would be the other guy - Cordarelle Patterson. Patterson made some strides as the year went on, but he is still an unfinished product and can't be depended upon in our system without more polish. It would have been interesting to see if he could blossom into a superstar with the Packers in the seasons to come, but our team is concerned with contending for the 2013 title.

Sylvester Williams did start to show signs of emerging late in the season. He probably offers less in the form of penetration than Jones, but he's wider and probably has the better anchor. Frankly, he probably is less of a fit in our defensive scheme than Jones.

Alec Ogletree did everything right in his rookie season; except tackle. He missed 19 tackles in his rookie campaign. For an inside linebacker, that's far, far too many. However, he showed good instincts and impressed me with his speed. He also provides competent coverage in the middle of the field - something Green Bay has been desperate for in the last few seasons. I'm confident that experience and coaching can shore up his little tackling problem.


SECOND ROUND


(55) TRADED FOR (61) + (173)

(55) VANCE MCDONALD, TE
(56) ARTHUR BROWN, LB
(57) DJ SWEARINGER, S
(58) MONTEE BALL, RB
(59) AARON DOBSON, WR


PICK UNCHANGED


Since we already have Ogletree, the temptation to take Arthur Brown is heavily curbed. Brown is a coverage specialist first and foremost. He was used in nickel situations in his rookie campaign. He was nice in pass coverage, but was also effective when he blitzed. Still, Ogletree is already aboard.

Vance McDonald is a receiving specialist who struggles with drops and didn't contribute much in 2013. Speaking of receivers, Dobson had a solid rookie campaign, but we have what he brings to the table in Jordy Nelson.

Montee Ball was impressive against nickel and dime defenses and with a good offensive line blocking for him. He's consistent, but there are other backs to be had in this region of the draft that physically offer more than Ball.

DJ Swearinger was not a good player in 2013, and probably never will be. He's a safety with serious tackling issues. Ogletree got a rookie mulligan for his issues, but Ogletree is significantly more talented than Swearinger and his technique is not near as bad. I would honestly never be truly comfortable with Swearinger in coverage. And to top it all off, he has a bit of a reputation as a headhunter.


(61) EDDIE LACY, RB

(62) CHRISTINE MICHAEL, RB
(63) TRAVIS KELCE, TE
(63) DWAYNE GRATZ, CB
(63) LARRY WARFORD, OL
(63) SIO MOORE, LB


PICK CHANGED >> LARRY WARFORD


With all due respect to the other four guys on this list, there are only two options here: Warford and Lacy.

Larry Warford looks like he will be a dominant guard in the league for years. In fact, he's already a top-5 guard and arguably already the best in the game. Yes. He's that good. It's an amazing value pick at the end of the second round. It's a better value pick than Lacy. However, Green Bay already has two entrenched starters at guard, and a need for consistent production in the running game.

It's just too tempting to take Warford and attempt a shift for Lang to guard. Even if that experiment were to fail, it would still upgrade one position on the offensive line at right guard and empower the running game and help protect our franchise quarterback.

As good as Lacy was in 2013, I fear for his longevity and Warford is the better pick long-term. Also going into this decision is the fact that DuJuan Harris was not yet injured at the time of the draft.


Nice analysis.

I put 110% effort into the draft last season. I've followed up as best I could in terms of how did those prospects do in the 2013 season. Your assessments are overall good. I was come see come saw in Datone Jones. He didn't excite me like the WR's C. Patterson and D. Hopkins who I really liked. These fellas should do just fine. Datone jones concerns me as he hardly showed up. This next season will tell us what he is. He needs to workhis tail off and study hard and get to 110% positive attitude mode.

Your second round analysis and Warford in and Lacy out makes sense. Eddie Lacy runs like a battering ram and that generally equals a short career in the NFL. As you say Larry Warford offered TT a longer range positive.

**With a short term need and running game sucking again.

** That adding it's own protection to AR and winning the battle of the clock.

I'm all in and TT's decision picking Eddie Lacy especially after trading back in Round 2 and the PROOF and Eddie Lacy as we've enjoyed last season. I hope that E. Bennett can help adapt Lacy's bashing into walls to be modified. I'm guessing that Edgar Bennett will say. No...just let Eddie run as he always has. I'm afraid that means a short career and Eddie Lacy.

[woodbuck27]

I've thought about this for the last four days and of all your choice of selections I went with:

We were right to take Eddie Lacy at 61 overall.

Excellent work there and this thread smuggler. :thank:

GO PACK GO !

[Pugger]

Hi Pugger...I've been wanting to ask you:

Have you supported your own thread and voted for Eddie Lacy for 2013 NFL ROY a period of 10 minutes continuous voting or about giving him EVEN as few as 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 (or < 50 votes of support) today... yesterday... this past Thursday...past Wednesday......?

Here's the LINK to vote:

http://www.nfl.com/m/voting/rookies/2013/YEAR/0#

Yup, I voted a slew of times before I started that thread. :smile:

[woodbuck27]

Yup, I voted a slew of times before I started that thread. :smile:

I'm approaching 800 votes so far.

[3irty1]

I say the correct answer in the 1st round would have been Paterson. Jordy and Cobb are both FA next year and Jones is this year. Patterson represents a promising player at a position of need on a cheap 5 year contract and happens to also be a probowl return man. Our WR corps is lacking a guy who can be a vertical threat. Jordy is aging out of that role. I'm surprised people would have preferred Elam. That seems short sighted. We needed a safety and he may have been the next one taken but its not he was great for the ravens or anything. Certainly not the kind of value you hope for with a 1st round pick. Cyprien struggled in coverage but he was arguably better and improved more although I wouldn't take him either.

In round 2 its hard to top what Ted did. Warford is a monster, but Lacy is a much bigger need for the Packers who already have a pair of solid guards.

[smuggler]

It really annoys me that he plays for the Vikes. Guess that says it all.

[woodbuck27]

I say the correct answer in the 1st round would have been Paterson. Jordy and Cobb are both FA next year and Jones is this year. Patterson represents a promising player at a position of need on a cheap 5 year contract and happens to also be a probowl return man. Our WR corps is lacking a guy who can be a vertical threat. Jordy is aging out of that role. I'm surprised people would have preferred Elam. That seems short sighted. We needed a safety and he may have been the next one taken but its not he was great for the ravens or anything. Certainly not the kind of value you hope for with a 1st round pick. Cyprien struggled in coverage but he was arguably better and improved more although I wouldn't take him either.

In round 2 its hard to top what Ted did. Warford is a monster, but Lacy is a much bigger need for the Packers who already have a pair of solid guards.

Good to see you post.

I hope that life is being fair to you. :smile:

The author of this thread put a lot of work into it and I believe there is value in carefully examing the draft last season and back to see if we can surmise any trends and TT and his Drafting Team success or not focus !?

GO PACK GO !

[Bretsky]

I say the correct answer in the 1st round would have been Paterson. Jordy and Cobb are both FA next year and Jones is this year. Patterson represents a promising player at a position of need on a cheap 5 year contract and happens to also be a probowl return man. Our WR corps is lacking a guy who can be a vertical threat. Jordy is aging out of that role. I'm surprised people would have preferred Elam. That seems short sighted. We needed a safety and he may have been the next one taken but its not he was great for the ravens or anything. Certainly not the kind of value you hope for with a 1st round pick. Cyprien struggled in coverage but he was arguably better and improved more although I wouldn't take him either.

In round 2 its hard to top what Ted did. Warford is a monster, but Lacy is a much bigger need for the Packers who already have a pair of solid guards.


In the End this is SPOT ON
Patterson is an elite talent and would have been the best value pick at that spot; if we redraft and take the BPA ya gotta roll with Patterson