22 years ago today (twitter)

[Jimx29]

Seemed to work out pretty good for all involved IMHO

https://twitter.com/JeffAshPG/status/433277250817884160

[pbmax]

I would have to give that transition a thumbs up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgNPXTDCAAEm6Ag.jpg:large

[mraynrand]

Well Bush didn't get four more years, and Doyle didn't really do a good job policing gambling. But this is a Packer forum, so I don't get it.

[Freak Out]

Arguably one of the best...if not the best trade ever in the NFL.

[pbmax]

I think Chris Havel wrote the article.

[ThunderDan]

Arguably one of the best...if not the best trade ever in the NFL.

I would say Dallas in the Herschel Walker trade made out better.

[Patler]

Arguably one of the best...if not the best trade ever in the NFL.

I don't know about that. The Packers invested the 19th pick for him. Worth it, sure, but they have less invested in AR than they did in Favre because the AR pick was lower.

I think San Francisco has made two trades better than that. They got Steve Young for a 2nd round pick (#50) and a 4th round pick (#106). They gave up their first round pick (#28) and change to move up and get Jerry Rice. The change included SF's second and third picks near the end of each round but they also got a higher pick in the third in return.

[pbmax]

I don't know about that. The Packers invested the 19th pick for him. Worth it, sure, but they have less invested in AR than they did in Favre because the AR pick was lower.

I think San Francisco has made two trades better than that. They got Steve Young for a 2nd round pick (#50) and a 4th round pick (#106). They gave up their first round pick (#28) and change to move up and get Jerry Rice. The change included SF's second and third picks near the end of each round but they also got a higher pick in the third in return.

I agree on Young, not as much on Rice (or for that matter, Walker, suggested above). Even in 1992, QBs were a premium kind of thing. Even if RBs had not been as devalued (though the Viking trade would later be criticized because of it) as much as today, getting a franchise QB was a huge accomplishment.

[Patler]

I agree on Young, not as much on Rice (or for that matter, Walker, suggested above). Even in 1992, QBs were a premium kind of thing. Even if RBs had not been as devalued (though the Viking trade would later be criticized because of it) as much as today, getting a franchise QB was a huge accomplishment.

I agree, it is always hard evaluating any position against a QB, but in Jerry Rice they got a WR that was really, really special for most of the 103 years that he played for them. For that franchise, he was much more than just an All-Pro receiver.

Didn't Dallas end up with Emmitt Smith for a couple of the picks they got from MN?

[pbmax]

I agree, it is always hard evaluating any position against a QB, but in Jerry Rice they got a WR that was really, really special for most of the 103 years that he played for them. For that franchise, he was much more than just an All-Pro receiver.

Didn't Dallas end up with Emmitt Smith for a couple of the picks they got from MN?

Yep. Smith and Woodson directly. Russell Maryland and others more indirectly.

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade :


Dallas ended up with a total of six of Minnesota's picks over the succeeding years, two 1st round and one 2nd round picks were used to draft Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodson, winning multiple Super Bowls and being voted on to go to the Pro Bowl numerous times also. Jimmy Johnson used the other draft picks to make trades with other teams around the NFL. One of the trades led to obtaining the first overall draft pick in 1991, which was used to draft Russell Maryland. In other words, the trade of Walker to the Vikings contributed largely to the Cowboys' success in the early 1990s. For this reason, ESPN.com lists it as the 8th most lopsided trade in sports history.[4] Seventeen years later, the trade was still an easy target for satire: one ESPN columnist, assessing the impact of free agency on the NFL, noted that it had almost entirely replaced significant trades and by doing so "took away one of the greatest shortcuts to becoming a Super Bowl champion: fleecing the Vikings."

[Fritz]

Let us not forget, though we try, one of the greatest trades in Rams history: fleecing Dan Devine and the Green Bay Packers out of a million draft picks, most of them first rounders, for a washed-up quarterback named John Hadl.

[Pugger]

Who did we trade to Atlanta in exchange for Favre that day?

[Patler]

Let us not forget, though we try, one of the greatest trades in Rams history: fleecing Dan Devine and the Green Bay Packers out of a million draft picks, most of them first rounders, for a washed-up quarterback named John Hadl.

The account below seems to include too many players, and I don't feel like proofing it, but at least some of this has to be accurate:


Rams general manager Don Klosterman used Green Bay's first-round pick of 1975 (No. 9 overall) to select defensive lineman Mike Fanning, who gave the team eight solid seasons. Klosterman used the remaining picks from the trade to assemble the core of Los Angeles' secondary for the next few seasons: Monte Jackson, Pat Thomas and Nolan Cromwell (via a trade using another of Green Bay's picks). With the rest of its picks in those two drafts, Los Angeles shored up its offensive line by drafting OG Dennis Harrah and OTs Doug France and Jackie Slater.

[Zool]

Who did we trade to Atlanta in exchange for Favre that day?

Tony Smith - RB

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo00.htm

Far and away the best trade in Packers history. In fact, what other outstanding trades have there been in Packers history?

[mraynrand]

In fact, what other outstanding trades have there been in Packers history?


Seriously? How about trading injured Fred Vinson (#47 overall 1999) for Ahman Green

Or better yet, trading Aaron Brooks (QB) and Lamont Hall (TE) for 2000 3rd round Pick (Steve Warren) and K. D. Williams

[Patler]

Tony Smith - RB

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo00.htm

Far and away the best trade in Packers history. In fact, what other outstanding trades have there been in Packers history?

Oh, how about:

Henry Jordan for a 4th round pick
Willie Davis for a guy named AD Williams
The pick used to get Nitschke for John Martinkovic, who was a good player but at the end of his career.

[Zool]

Forgot about the Green trade, and wasn't alive when Nitschke, Jordan, or Davis were playing.

[MadScientist]

Tony Smith - RB

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo00.htm

Far and away the best trade in Packers history. In fact, what other outstanding trades have there been in Packers history?
That was a bad pick that makes the trade seem unbalanced (Edgar Bennett was the best RB in the draft that year), but the trade at the time was hardly an unfair trade - a mid first rounder for a talented but unknown 3rd stringer with maturity problems. Had they picked say Dale Carter or Robert Porcher, it could have worked out fairly well for Atlanta.

[Guiness]

(Edgar Bennett was the best RB in the draft that year)

Wow, you're probably right. The only Pro Bowl RB (and name I even recognize) from that draft is Sam Gash.

Anyone remember who the Pack took as their '91 first rounder? Had to look it up. Dude named Vinnie Clark, lasted 2 seasons.

[Patler]

Clark started elsewhere for a few years after the Packers. I think he was injured a lot.

[Guiness]

Clark started elsewhere for a few years after the Packers. I think he was injured a lot.

2 years in Atlanta, 2 in Jax with a cup of coffee in NO in between.

He played all 32 games while with the Pack, so if he had injuries they started after that.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, you're probably right. The only Pro Bowl RB (and name I even recognize) from that draft is Sam Gash.

Anyone remember who the Pack took as their '91 first rounder? Had to look it up. Dude named Vinnie Clark, lasted 2 seasons.

Our nickname for him was: Vinnie "Burn'em" Clark. Not good for a CB.

[ThunderDan]

Our nickname for him was: Vinnie "Burn'em" Clark. Not good for a CB.

Almost as good as "Grabby Smurf" for Ahmad Carroll.

[Patler]

Ah huh!

Now I remember why I associate his name with injuries!
Career was ended by a concussion, leading to a diagnoses of a "spinal disease" (stenosis??) Then he sued his financial advisory who had let an insurance policy lapse.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1997/Former-NFL-cornerback-Vinnie-Clark-sues-financial-adviser/id-b746b7c52aab37adcb7240e87b2811a5

[Guiness]

Ah huh!

Now I remember why I associate his name with injuries!
Career was ended by a concussion, leading to a diagnoses of a "spinal disease" (stenosis??) Then he sued his financial advisory who had let an insurance policy lapse.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1997/Former-NFL-cornerback-Vinnie-Clark-sues-financial-adviser/id-b746b7c52aab37adcb7240e87b2811a5

jesus, that's a memory. Don't know if that policy would've done him much good, it was to protect against 'accidental' injury. You can hardly call a pro football player getting a concussion accidental!

[mraynrand]

Ah huh!

Now I remember why I associate his name with injuries!
Career was ended by a concussion, leading to a diagnoses of a "spinal disease" (stenosis??) Then he sued his financial advisory who had let an insurance policy lapse.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1997/Former-NFL-cornerback-Vinnie-Clark-sues-financial-adviser/id-b746b7c52aab37adcb7240e87b2811a5

he also sued Cincinnati!

http://enquirer.com/editions/2002/05/23/loc_former_football.html

I assume Vinnie got no cash. I was amused to see he was helping Akili Smith 'ease his way into' the NFL. Wonder if he helped ease him out too. Note to first round draft picks: Stay away from Vinnie Clark.

[Packman_26]

These are fun to read:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=jvrRlaHg2sAC&dat=19920212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=wZJMF1LD7PcC&dat=19920212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

[bobblehead]

Tony Smith - RB

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTo00.htm

Far and away the best trade in Packers history. In fact, what other outstanding trades have there been in Packers history?

Packaging the pick we got for an old QB on his last legs to get Mathews has to be TT's best move.

[bobblehead]

That was a bad pick that makes the trade seem unbalanced (Edgar Bennett was the best RB in the draft that year), but the trade at the time was hardly an unfair trade - a mid first rounder for a talented but unknown 3rd stringer with maturity problems. Had they picked say Dale Carter or Robert Porcher, it could have worked out fairly well for Atlanta.

And to top it off that player went in the second round the year prior and did nothing to enhance his value. The first we traded was, at the time, considered to be a very deep draft.

[bobblehead]

Almost as good as "Grabby Smurf" for Ahmad Carroll.

My college buddies and I often referred to Jerry "toast" Holmes.

[mraynrand]

And to top it off that player went in the second round the year prior and did nothing to enhance his value. The first we traded was, at the time, considered to be a very deep draft.

but the 33rd pick is almost the first round!

http://www.chatterbalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/brettfavredraftday6.jpg

keep it in the Favre thread!

[MadScientist]

These are fun to read:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=jvrRlaHg2sAC&dat=19920212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=wZJMF1LD7PcC&dat=19920212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Gotta love the quotes about having to make this move because they weren't sure David Klingler would be there when they picked. Yikes that could have made the 90's look like the 80's.

[Guiness]

And to top it off that player went in the second round the year prior and did nothing to enhance his value. The first we traded was, at the time, considered to be a very deep draft.

Looks like it was - 11 Pro Bowlers in the first round, although I don't think any of them will end up in the hall. It was also the Steve Emtmen draft, and not a draft to be looking for a QB. The best one that came out of it was Brad Johnson from the 9th round with maybe a nod to Jeff Blake who had a decent career.

[mraynrand]

Does anyone else remember Brad Johnson's role in losing the national championship - you know, the one Florida State lost because Casey Weldon lost his shoe and Johnson had to come in on a third down??

[Freak Out]

The trade for Green (the real Batman) was a great trade. If it wasn't for 4th and........ah fuck it.