Packer 2014 compensatory picks

[Spaulding]

Speculation that the Packers might get a 3rd for Jennings and a 6th for Walden given they didn't sign anybody last year outside of the failed Saturday experiment.

Found the following blog on ESPN with interesting references to past players drafted with compensatory picks. Given this years deep draft a additional one at the end of 3rd round could be key.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/8476/will-the-packers-get-more-draft-picks (http://http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/8476/will-the-packers-get-more-draft-picks)

Looks like only Pittsburgh and Baltimore are slated to possibly get more in compensation than the Packers.

[red]

jennings is right on the border for a 3 or 4. it looks like all the recent 3rd round comp picks were issued to teams who player was signed away for just over 50 million(funny money or not)

guys who's players were signed away for 30-40 million got 4th rounders

jennings signed for 45 million. so i could see it going either way

fyi, i can't get that link to work

[pbmax]

Here are the links reported in that piece: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html


Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 28m
How many more draft picks will the #Packers get? They'll find out next week.
http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/8476/will-the-packers-get-more-draft-picks …

Someone at philly.com is guessing a 3rd (Jennings) and a 6th (Walden).

The guy (Craig Turner) guessing has a history of some success, but its not clear if he was the guy who invented this guesswork.

Twitter for CT: https://twitter.com/ct17draftnut

Last year's picks: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/03/18/grading-our-compensatory-pick-projections-2/

[Bretsky]

With WAY too many juniors coming out this year this is about the deepest draft we'll see
An extra third round pick would be HUGe


Wit that being said, we'll get a 4th and a 7th...stop getting your hopes up...we always get screwed on these !

[Bossman641]

With WAY too many juniors coming out this year this is about the deepest draft we'll see
An extra third round pick would be HUGe


Wit that being said, we'll get a 4th and a 7th...stop getting your hopes up...we always get screwed on these !

I agree with B. I don't think the Packers have ever got the pick they are projected to get

[HarveyWallbangers]

Speculation that the Packers might get a 3rd for Jennings and a 6th for Walden given they didn't sign anybody last year outside of the failed Saturday experiment.

We signed Saturday in 2012--not last year.

[mraynrand]

jennings is right on the border for a 3 or 4. it looks like all the recent 3rd round comp picks were issued to teams who player was signed away for just over 50 million(funny money or not)

guys who's players were signed away for 30-40 million got 4th rounders

jennings signed for 45 million. so i could see it going either way

fyi, i can't get that link to work

why should the Packers get shafted just because Minnesota QBs suck? :)

[pbmax]

why should the Packers get shafted just because Minnesota QBs suck? :)

Vikes fans hold the same sentiment.

[Carolina_Packer]

In case I wasn't the only person to not fully understand what qualifies or does not qualify for compensatory picks, here is an article from SB Nation based on the Denver Broncos.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/3/18/5520508/how-do-compensatory-picks-work

For our purposes, these folks have put together a list of rules that seem to provide a basis for solid prognostications.

- Lost players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs and ERFAs do not qualify

- Lost players that were picked up during the season the year before do not qualify

- Signed players that are released before midseason do not qualify

- Players earning low minimum salaries do not qualify

- Each player signed cancels out one player lost

[Fritz]

I agree with B. I don't think the Packers have ever got the pick they are projected to get

I'm in this boat. The Packers seem to get screwed on these things. I'm guessing a 4th for Jennings and maybe a 7th for Walden. Although given my impression of Walden, I think that means we have to give up a 7th as the price to pay for getting rid of the guy.

[pbmax]

I'm in this boat. The Packers seem to get screwed on these things. I'm guessing a 4th for Jennings and maybe a 7th for Walden. Although given my impression of Walden, I think that means we have to give up a 7th as the price to pay for getting rid of the guy.

C'mon Fritz, two free agent signings?! From other teams?!

Its a different kind of year.

The Badgers also outscored someone in a mid to high tempo basketball game. Next thing you know, the Packers will be playing good defense.

[red]

I'm in this boat. The Packers seem to get screwed on these things. I'm guessing a 4th for Jennings and maybe a 7th for Walden. Although given my impression of Walden, I think that means we have to give up a 7th as the price to pay for getting rid of the guy.

yeah, it really wouldn't shock me if we get one 5th rounder and thats it

it seems like every year we get way less then what we thought we'd get, and less picks

and we're all left scratching our heads wondering "what the fuck?"

[KYPack]

There was a guy who ran a site that predicted the comp picks. This guy was uncanny. He was usually right on the money. I always felt that he picked the comps a round low from what the JSO and blogs did and it worked. He stopped doing it 3-4 years ago.

I think Red's guess will be about right.

[run pMc]

I'd be ok with a R4 and R7, although I'd much rather a 3 & 7. I'm not going to get my hopes up.
Comp picks have value -- even though you can't trade them, it's a good way to move around via trade with your other picks while ensuring you don't deal yourself out of every round. Plus, as others have mentioned, there are more underclassmen declaring in this draft than ever, which implies there will be good depth (at least at some positions) and TT should be able to get good value from the picks.

[Joemailman]

I think it's going to be 4 & 6. Jennings signed a big contract and had a decent buy not great year. Started 15 games and had 800+ receiving yards. Similarly, Walden sign a surprisingly big contract, (4 years, 16 million), started 15 games, and had 56 total tackles and 3 sacks .

[pbmax]

There was a guy who ran a site that predicted the comp picks. This guy was uncanny. He was usually right on the money. I always felt that he picked the comps a round low from what the JSO and blogs did and it worked. He stopped doing it 3-4 years ago.

I think Red's guess will be about right.

This guy: http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/03/projecting-2009-compensatory-nfl-draft.html

[red]

when we look at the link PB gave, we see just how stupid the whole process is

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/03/18/grading-our-compensatory-pick-projections-2/

we got a 5th round pick for matt flynn, who signed with seattle for 20.5 million over 3 years with 9 million guaranteed. just under 7 million a year

the falcons got a 4th rounder for curtis lofton, who signed elsewhere for 27.5 million over 5 years. 5.5 million per year

or the 49ers getting a 4th for josh morgan, who signed a 5 year 38 million dollar deal, but contract was full of all kinds of funny money, and the team could void the contract after 2 years. it was in fact a 2 year 11.5 million dollar deal. or 5.75 million per year

the ravens got a 4th for losing ben grubbs who signed a 5 year 36 million dollar deal. just over 7 million. just slightly more then flynn got

the dolphins actually got the comp pick in the 5th right before us for Kendall Langford. he signed a 5 year deal worth 22 million. less then 4.5 million er year


so it really makes no fucking sense where they get these comp picks from. and looking at the basic facts, its hard not to feel that the packers got screwed hard here

[pbmax]

The new dude, Craig Turner (his Twitter feed is up near the top in a post of mine), is taking this pretty seriously though. Here is his explanation of why Flynn garnered only a 5th rounder when predicted to be a fourth. Jimmy Kempski is the guy now writing for Philly.com and ct17 is Turner, the comp pick specialist.

lutz
March 19, 2013 at 8:18 am
Why did the Packers only get a 5th for Flynn?

....Jimmy Kempski
....March 19, 2013 at 8:33 am
....My guess would be that Saturday cancelled out Wells, and they only awarded a 5 for Flynn because he barely played, but CT may see it differently.

........lutz
........March 19, 2013 at 8:40 am
........Thanks. I know Saturday cancelled Wells but playing time is usually not that big a factor

............ct17
............March 19, 2013 at 9:46 am
............Playing time was a big factor this year for some players, but not for all. It explains Wheeler’s inclusion, but not how Jason Jones
............and his half million more got a pick below Jason Allen and his 3 snaps. I will be looking into whether contract length now matters.
............Flynn’s contract numbers are constantly changing. I think there is a lot of garbage in it, and the league went with a low potential number.

[Joemailman]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html


Over the last 2 years, my friend Craig Turner has done compensatory pick projections very accurately for my former football blog. Last year, he correctly matched 24 teams with the correct round for which they received a pick. He projected an additional 5 teams to receive a pick, but missed by just one round. The 3 remaining picks he missed on were due to some gray area, which he learns from every year.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#flfIvDgPeB3FX7wt.99


3 – Pittsburgh – Mike Wallace

3 – Green Bay – Greg Jennings

4 – San Francisco – Dashon Goldson

4 – Baltimore – Paul Kruger

4 – Detroit – Gosder Cherilus

4 – Baltimore – Dannell Ellerbe

5 – Houston – Connor Barwin

5 – New York Jets – LaRon Landry

5 – Baltimore – Cary Williams

5 – Atlanta – Brent Grimes

5 – Pittsburgh – Keenan Lewis

5 – New York Giants – Martellus Bennett

5 – Baltimore – Ed Reed

5 – Houston – Glover Quin

6 – New York Jets – Mike DeVito

6 – Green Bay – Erik Walden

6 – New York Jets – Dustin Keller

6 – New England – Patrick Chung

6 – Cincinnati – Manny Lawson

6 – St. Louis – Brandon Gibson

6 – New York Jets – Shonn Greene

7 – St. Louis – Bradley Fletcher

7 – Dallas – Mike Jenkins

7 – Cincinnati – Pat Sims

7 – St. Louis – Craig Dahl

7 – St. Louis – Rob Turner

7 – Dallas – Victor Butler

7 – Cincinnati – Bruce Gradkowski

7 – Atlanta – Will Svitek

7 – Atlanta – Christopher Owens

7 – San Diego – Shaun Phillips

7 - Dallas - Kenyon Coleman

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#flfIvDgPeB3FX7wt.99

[Fritz]

A third for Jennings would be a gift. A fourth would be okay. A fifth would be a ripoff, even if it's a fifth of Jack.

[smuggler]

I really hope it's a third but it probably will end up as a fourth.

[denverYooper]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 43s
The #Packers' two compensatory picks are Nos. 98 (third) and 176th (fifth).

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 7m
#Packers receive two compensatory draft picks: 3rd and a 5th. Third is for Greg Jennings and 5th is for Erik Walden.

[denverYooper]

Which means I should probably get an eighth and a fifth.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 43s
The #Packers' two compensatory picks are Nos. 98 (third) and 176th (fifth).

Playing time must have been a big deal this year.

Also, someone bookmark Craig Turner's site. He's golden.

[Brandon494]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 43s
The #Packers' two compensatory picks are Nos. 98 (third) and 176th (fifth).

Nice, better then we thought getting a 5th instead of a 6th for Walden.

[Brandon494]

Which means I should probably get an eighth and a fifth.

Shit I wish I lived in Colorado you lucky bastard!

[red]

hell yeah, thats awesome

we might just be able to draft a jennings-like WR with that new 3rd round pick

with all the mid round talent in this draft, this is like getting an extra 2nd and a 4th in years past

[BZnDallas]

hell yeah, thats awesome

we might just be able to draft a jennings-like WR with that new 3rd round pick

with all the mid round talent in this draft, this is like getting an extra 2nd and a 4th in years past

3 and a 5, thats great news!... can't wait to see what TT does now!

[pbmax]

Here is the comparison between projected and actual:


ROUND PICK TEAM PROJECTED RESULT
3 33-97 Steelers 3 – Pittsburgh – Mike Wallace Correct
3 34-98 Packers 3 – Green Bay – Greg Jennings Correct
3 35-99 Ravens 4 – Baltimore – Paul Kruger 3 not 4
3 36-100 49ers 4 – San Francisco – Dashon Goldson 3 not 4
4 33-133 Lions 4 – Detroit – Gosder Cherilus correct
4 34-134 Ravens 4 – Baltimore – Dannell Ellerbe correct
4 35-135 Texans 5 – Houston – Connor Barwin 4 not 5
4 36-136 Lions wrong
4 37-137 Jets 5 – New York Jets – LaRon Landry 4 not 5
4 38-138 Ravens 5 – Baltimore – Cary Williams 4 not 5
4 39-139 Falcons 5 – Atlanta – Brent Grimes 4 not 5
4 40-140 Patriots 6 – New England – Patrick Chung 4 not 6
5 33-173 Steelers 5 – Pittsburgh – Keenan Lewis correct
5 34-174 Giants 5 – New York Giants – Martellus Bennett correct
5 35-175 Ravens 5 – Baltimore – Ed Reed correct
5 36-176 Packers 6 – Green Bay – Erik Walden 5 not 6
6 33-209 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Mike DeVito correct
6 34-210 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Dustin Keller correct
6 35-211 Texans 5 – Houston – Glover Quin 6 not 5
6 36-212 Bengals 6 – Cincinnati – Manny Lawson correct
6 37-213 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Shonn Greene correct
6 38-214 Rams 6 – St. Louis – Brandon Gibson correct
6 39-215 Steelers wrong
7 33-248 Cowboys 7 – Dallas – Mike Jenkins correct
7 34-249 Rams 7 – St. Louis – Bradley Fletcher correct
7 35-250 Rams 7 – St. Louis – Craig Dahl correct
7 36-251 Cowboys 7 – Dallas – Victor Butler correct
7 37-252 Bengals 7 – Cincinnati – Pat Sims correct
7 38-253 Falcons 7 – Atlanta – Will Svitek correct
7 39-254 Cowboys 7 - Dallas - Kenyon Coleman correct
7 40-255 Falcons 7 – Atlanta – Christopher Owens correct
7 41-256 Texans wrong

MISSED ENTIRELY

, , , 7 – St. Louis – Rob Turner ,
, , , 7 – Cincinnati – Bruce Gradkowski ,
, , , 7 – San Diego – Shaun Phillips ,

[pbmax]

32 picks, 3 whiffs.
20 dead on, 8 missed by one round, 1 missed by 2.

Apparently, there is now a finite number of picks no matter how many losses might otherwise qualify. So you not only need to tally the qualified net losses, but then you need to select the top 32 and little is known about how.

My comparison of which loss was credited to which pick is a guess based on his rankings (I put the highest available player into a team slot). This could be incorrect.

League's official explanation is here: http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf


Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula....

According to that doc, Chicago, Atlanta and Cincinnati qualified for another pick but represented qualified losses #33, 34 and 35.

[pbmax]

Craig Turner ‏@ct17draftnut 51m
Quick comp pick thoughts. Josh Brown counting is a rule change, breaking previous examples of players not counting when signed midseason.

Craig Turner ‏@ct17draftnut 50m
Interesting that Umenyiora, on team option, counted, but Stephen Jackson, on player option, did not count. No logic in that.

Craig Turner ‏@ct17draftnut 46m
Osi counting shows new available contract strategy. Add automatically voided years to end of contract. Spreads out cap hit over fake years.

Craig Turner ‏@ct17draftnut 19m
@PFF_Pete @JimmyKempski There is supposed to be a tiny performance-based adjustment to comp picks, but it is so small as to be irrelevant.

Craig Turner ‏@ct17draftnut 31s
@Jason_OTC @SandoESPN @Cianaf Coles renegotiation I believe lopped off a year. Was SJax similar? Contracted year turned to player option?

[red]

Here is the comparison between projected and actual:


ROUND PICK TEAM PROJECTED RESULT
3 33-97 Steelers 3 – Pittsburgh – Mike Wallace Correct
3 34-98 Packers 3 – Green Bay – Greg Jennings Correct
3 35-99 Ravens 4 – Baltimore – Paul Kruger 3 not 4
3 36-100 49ers 4 – San Francisco – Dashon Goldson 3 not 4
4 33-133 Lions 4 – Detroit – Gosder Cherilus correct
4 34-134 Ravens 4 – Baltimore – Dannell Ellerbe correct
4 35-135 Texans 5 – Houston – Connor Barwin 4 not 5
4 36-136 Lions wrong
4 37-137 Jets 5 – New York Jets – LaRon Landry 4 not 5
4 38-138 Ravens 5 – Baltimore – Cary Williams 4 not 5
4 39-139 Falcons 5 – Atlanta – Brent Grimes 4 not 5
4 40-140 Patriots 6 – New England – Patrick Chung 4 not 6
5 33-173 Steelers 5 – Pittsburgh – Keenan Lewis correct
5 34-174 Giants 5 – New York Giants – Martellus Bennett correct
5 35-175 Ravens 5 – Baltimore – Ed Reed correct
5 36-176 Packers 6 – Green Bay – Erik Walden 5 not 6
6 33-209 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Mike DeVito correct
6 34-210 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Dustin Keller correct
6 35-211 Texans 5 – Houston – Glover Quin 6 not 5
6 36-212 Bengals 6 – Cincinnati – Manny Lawson correct
6 37-213 Jets 6 – New York Jets – Shonn Greene correct
6 38-214 Rams 6 – St. Louis – Brandon Gibson correct
6 39-215 Steelers wrong
7 33-248 Cowboys 7 – Dallas – Mike Jenkins correct
7 34-249 Rams 7 – St. Louis – Bradley Fletcher correct
7 35-250 Rams 7 – St. Louis – Craig Dahl correct
7 36-251 Cowboys 7 – Dallas – Victor Butler correct
7 37-252 Bengals 7 – Cincinnati – Pat Sims correct
7 38-253 Falcons 7 – Atlanta – Will Svitek correct
7 39-254 Cowboys 7 - Dallas - Kenyon Coleman correct
7 40-255 Falcons 7 – Atlanta – Christopher Owens correct
7 41-256 Texans wrong

MISSED ENTIRELY

, , , 7 – St. Louis – Rob Turner ,
, , , 7 – Cincinnati – Bruce Gradkowski ,
, , , 7 – San Diego – Shaun Phillips ,

so i gotta ask

what the fuck did the lions do to get a 4th?

they lost a bunch of shit. the only real talent they lost was avril, and he signed a short term deal in seattle, and then the lions brought in reggie bush

that just doesn't seem right

[pbmax]

so i gotta ask

what the fuck did the lions do to get a 4th?

they lost a bunch of shit. the only real talent they lost was avril, and he signed a short term deal in seattle, and then the lions brought in reggie bush

that just doesn't seem right

DETROIT Lost:
Cliff Avril, Gosder Cherilus, Justin Durant, Drayton Florence, Sammie Lee Hill
Gained: Reggie Bush, Jason Jones, Glover Quin

Avril and Cherilus apparently, though Turner did not think Avril would count.

[Joemailman]

so i gotta ask

what the fuck did the lions do to get a 4th?

they lost a bunch of shit. the only real talent they lost was avril, and he signed a short term deal in seattle, and then the lions brought in reggie bush

that just doesn't seem right

But don't you think some people are wondering how the hell the Packers got a 5th for someone named Erik Walden? Like maybe Ravens fans who saw their team get the same for Ed Reed.

[pbmax]

But don't you think some people are wondering how the hell the Packers got a 5th for someone named Erik Walden? Like maybe Ravens fans who saw their team get the same for Ed Reed.

Maybe, but not Ravens fans. Reed is very diminished and didn't even play in all 16 games.

[smuggler]

Quin and Bush should have canceled Cherilus and Avril, but instead Quin's contract did not and they picked up the 4th.

Just a gift because their city is a wasteland of degenerates. We all feel bad about that.

[pbmax]

Quin and Bush should have canceled Cherilus and Avril, but instead Quin's contract did not and they picked up the 4th.

Just a gift because their city is a wasteland of degenerates. We all feel bad about that.


6. The round of the pick awarded is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#h3C96VPGEZE8vmvf.99

Gosder Cherilus was 5/$35 mil (7)
Cliff Avril was 2/$13 mil (6.5)
Sammie Lee Hill 3/$11.4 mil (3.8)
Justin Durant was 2/$2.4 (1.2)
Drayton Florence was 1/$940K

Bush 4/$16 (4)
Jason Jones 3/$9.5 mil (3.17)
Glover Quin 5/$23.5 (4.7)

Bush was lower than both Cherilus and Avril on average per year, as was Quin. So they took out players of lower averages first. In fact, at first glance this looks like an egregious oversight by Turner. Almost seems more likely that something got lost in editing and posting. If tech Lions don't lose five guys who qualified, it would have cost them one of the high comp picks they got.

[pbmax]

In fact here is the explanation for the projection for Detroit:


Lost: Cherilus ($6.9m), Avril ($6.5m), S. Hill ($3.8m), Durant ($1.2m)

Signed: Quin ($4.7m), Bush ($4m), J. Jones ($3.2m)


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/2014-NFL-compensatory-pick-projections.html#h3C96VPGEZE8vmvf.99

He was not counting Florence as a qualifying lost player. He did say elsewhere that the NFL did qualify players at lower salaries than before starting last year.

[Bretsky]

SPEAKING OF WALDEN..........the Colts Beat Writer was on pre free agency...and noted how the Colts were once again going to be very active in Free Agency.....he discussed last year's free agents
And noted the one man who greatly underperformed his contract and was a huge disappointment............was...........Eric Walden

[smuggler]

In short, Lions lucked out.

[Joemailman]

I'm guessing the Packers next year get a 5th for both EDS and Jones. Unless TT signs a qualifying UFA or 2.

[run pMc]

4 of the top 98 picks means TT has a good chance of drafting some good talent, and possibly for being active in trading up/down. Agree they'll look to draft a WR. So TT has 9 picks to play with, and they aren't all R7's.

Also, getting a 5th for Walden was an unexpected pleasant surprise.

[red]

4 of the top 98 picks means TT has a good chance of drafting some good talent, and possibly for being active in trading up/down. Agree they'll look to draft a WR. So TT has 9 picks to play with, and they aren't all R7's.

Also, getting a 5th for Walden was an unexpected pleasant surprise.

not yet anyway

we all know its TT's dream to own the whole 7th round

[bobblehead]

not yet anyway

we all know its TT's dream to own the whole 7th round

Be fair Red. TT followed fan recipe for success and traded up for Morgan Burnett. He then signed the player he traded up for to a monster contract, so sometimes old TT does it exactly as you would like him to...oh yea, he also followed fan model 101 by signing a big name over the hill DE to a nice FA contract as well. So in short, TT is coming around to the average fans way of doing things. All should be well now.

[3irty1]

About time, is it just me or did this seem to take forever this year to get the official comp picks?

Let the mock drafts begin!

[Brandon494]

About time, is it just me or did this seem to take forever this year to get the official comp picks?

Let the mock drafts begin!

Weeee a reason for me to do another mock draft.

[Brandon494]

About time, is it just me or did this seem to take forever this year to get the official comp picks?

Let the mock drafts begin!

I mean the draft did get pushed back a month :-)

[mraynrand]

Paul Kruger - LOL, he got Baltimore a #4 instead of a #3. Why? Because he went to Cleveland, that's why. The only way Cleveland seems to be able to punish Baltimore is by sucking more (though they did beat them - finally - this past season).

[Pugger]

SPEAKING OF WALDEN..........the Colts Beat Writer was on pre free agency...and noted how the Colts were once again going to be very active in Free Agency.....he discussed last year's free agents
And noted the one man who greatly underperformed his contract and was a huge disappointment............was...........Eric Walden

No! :lol: Imagine that? ;-)

[red]

I mean the draft did get pushed back a month :-)

didn't everything get pushed back this year? combine and the start of free agency and what not?

[red]

No! :lol: Imagine that? ;-)

i know, i'm in shock too

i think we all are

[mraynrand]

didn't everything get pushed back this year? combine and the start of free agency and what not?

is the season starting in October?

[red]

is the season starting in October?

no, but i want to say everything else in the off season was pushed back. not traing camp and all that. but the stuff between the end of the year and TC

[denverYooper]

is the season starting in October?

I'd rather the season started in October and ran through March.

[Zool]

didn't everything get pushed back this year? combine and the start of free agency and what not?

No just the draft, because of the scheduling thing with Radio City Music Hall.

[run pMc]

I think the whole thing of pushing stuff back is silly, actually.

It helps the veterans keep roster spots, since free agency is early relative to the draft, and the draft is so late it's hard for a rookie to know what they are doing in September unless the coach dumbs it down. I liked it when the combine was in Feb and the draft in late March/early April. Right now it's boring IMO and TT is so unpredictable that mock drafts are useless. People get excited about 5th round picks who will play ST and in 3-4 years end up getting signed by CLE or traded to NYJ like Caleb Schlauderaff.

[Fritz]

Man, was I ever wrong about my prognostications for the Packers' picks. I guess my "the league hates the Packers" shtick fell flat this time.

And I am very happy to have been wrong!

An extra third and fifth - potential gold, or potential fool's gold. Guess we'll see in about three years.

[mraynrand]

We want the draft and we want it now. Now? NOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

[Patler]

I think the whole thing of pushing stuff back is silly, actually.

It helps the veterans keep roster spots, since free agency is early relative to the draft, and the draft is so late it's hard for a rookie to know what they are doing in September unless the coach dumbs it down. I liked it when the combine was in Feb and the draft in late March/early April. Right now it's boring IMO and TT is so unpredictable that mock drafts are useless. People get excited about 5th round picks who will play ST and in 3-4 years end up getting signed by CLE or traded to NYJ like Caleb Schlauderaff.

Personally. I liked it when the draft was right after the college season ended, usually mid to late November. Of course, that goes back a few years!!

[bobblehead]

Personally. I liked it when the draft was right after the college season ended, usually mid to late November. Of course, that goes back a few years!!

Patler...was wondering something. Was Washington as great of a general as they say?

[pbmax]

Patler...was wondering something. Was Washington as great of a general as they say?

His stats looked terrible compared to others. But he simply was a winner.

[Joemailman]

Patler...was wondering something. Was Washington as great of a general as they say?

Patler didn't think that young punk should be handed so much responsibility.

[woodbuck27]

3 and a 5, thats great news!... can't wait to see what TT does now!

That's better than we might have expected.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000336545/article/2014-nfl-draft-order

** Four picks of the top 98 overall or through Round Three.

** Seven picks of the top 176 overall or through Rd. Five.

** Nine (9) picks of the top 236 and TT's draft is over, barring draft trades

The 2014 NFL DRAFT:

It'll be exciting ! Let's hope that TT and company get this one right.

GO Ted Thompson Go !