ROUND TWO TARGETS

[Bretsky]

Night one is winding down and it's a great night to be a Green Bay Packer Fan. The Pack got what many rated as the top safety in the NFL Draft.....and surely one of the top two safeties coming out of college.

While I was kind of hoping we filled a LB hole, there was a pretty good risk that the top tier safeties would be gone by our round two pick, and it was glaringly obvious we need immediate help there.

With that being said, it's time to fom a wishlist at round 2. Let's list some guys who we really like who have a realistic shot to be available at our pick in the 50's and list why they would be great fits.

I'll start with a name or two but looking for some great input here. Maybe we can come to some sort of agrement for our wishlist.

I'll start with one name of a WR who might fall to our pick in round two

1. Allen Robinson-- WR....Penn State--He' s a mooth route runner with a stellar attitute and big play ability. I think he has similarities to Greg Jennings. I like him more than Moncrief but I'm willing to listen to any arguments out there hinting otherwise.

[call_me_ishmael]

I would love to find a way to get Tuitt or Van Noy without giving up a ton. I would like day 2 to be entirely defense again - preferably front 7.

[Bretsky]

I would love to find a way to get Tuitt or Van Noy without giving up a ton. I would like day 2 to be entirely defense again - preferably front 7.

DT Timmy Jernigan ...another slug who plays at times harder than others
DT Stephen Tuitt......paired with Nix at Notre Dame...don't love either but he'd be ok round two
DE Kony Ealy...........up and down guy.....I'm ok with him
DT Louis Nix DT............slug that I'm ok with round two..off yr last year could cause him to keep dropping
DT Ra'Shede Hageman .....may be boom or bust but I'd take him round two

OT Joel Bitonio FUNNY STUFF FROM CBS SITE
COMPARES TO: Marshall Newhouse, Green Bay Packers - Like the 6-4, 319-pound Newhouse, Bitonio's size looks better on paper than it does on tape, where his less-than-ideal arm length and thick middle seem to project best to guard. Also like Newhouse, however, Bitonio is surprisingly athletic and a savvy, competitive football player, who'll carve out a niche somewhere


OG Xavier Su'a-Filo--Probably not there

TE Jace Amaro....odds are he's long gone but if he's there tough to pass up
TE Austin Seferian Jenkins ...moster size....not convinced on him so hope he's picked by us

QB Derek Carr.....will be long gone for sure

WR Marqise Lee......will be long gone
WR Allen Robinson.....like him just a tad more than Moncrief but elated with either at round 2
WR Donte Moncrief.....would be elated with him at round two

LB Kyle Van Noy...love him at round two as well....playmaking LB...smash mouth
LB Trent Murphy...impact players...SACKATRON......he'd be a great addition

C Weston Richard...a wonderful fit with out offense and what we look for. Stability at C for years to come

[Joemailman]

Austin Seferian Jenkins
Demarcus Larence
Jordan Matthews
Kyle Van Noy

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cody Latimer
Davante Adams
Jeremiah Attaochu
Weston Richburg

[Patler]

GB could move up to about the fourth pick of the second round for their own second and third round picks. Anyone worth making that trade?

[woodbuck27]

Night one is winding down and it's a great night to be a Green Bay Packer Fan. The Pack got what many rated as the top safety in the NFL Draft.....and surely one of the top two safeties coming out of college.

While I was kind of hoping we filled a LB hole, there was a pretty good risk that the top tier safeties would be gone by our round two pick, and it was glaringly obvious we need immediate help there.

With that being said, it's time to fom a wishlist at round 2. Let's list some guys who we really like who have a realistic shot to be available at our pick in the 50's and list why they would be great fits.

I'll start with a name or two but looking for some great input here. Maybe we can come to some sort of agrement for our wishlist.

I'll start with one name of a WR who might fall to our pick in round two

1. Allen Robinson-- WR....Penn State--He' s a mooth route runner with a stellar attitute and big play ability. I think he has similarities to Greg Jennings. I like him more than Moncrief but I'm willing to listen to any arguments out there hinting otherwise.

Using that tool that pbmax posted yesterday:

http://wp.advancedfootballanalytics.com/bayesianDraftAnalysisTool.php

The probability that Allen Robinson is available at Pick. NO. 53 is 0.58.

[mraynrand]

GB could move up to about the fourth pick of the second round for their own second and third round picks. Anyone worth making that trade?

that later third is compensatory - can't trade.

[Bretsky]

GB could move up to about the fourth pick of the second round for their own second and third round picks. Anyone worth making that trade?

I really don't think there is
The DL's are all up and down
If one of those three WR's fell to us that would be a gold mine

To me none of those players stand out as beign worth what you suggest....talent this year is way deeper than past years so I'm not a fan of trade ups with where we are now

[Bretsky]

DT Timmy Jernigan ...another slug who plays at times harder than others
DT Stephen Tuitt......paired with Nix at Notre Dame...don't love either but he'd be ok round two
DE Kony Ealy...........up and down guy.....I'm ok with him
DT Louis Nix DT............slug that I'm ok with round two..off yr last year could cause him to keep dropping
DT Ra'Shede Hageman .....may be boom or bust but I'd take him round two

OT Joel Bitonio FUNNY STUFF FROM CBS SITE
COMPARES TO: Marshall Newhouse, Green Bay Packers - Like the 6-4, 319-pound Newhouse, Bitonio's size looks better on paper than it does on tape, where his less-than-ideal arm length and thick middle seem to project best to guard. Also like Newhouse, however, Bitonio is surprisingly athletic and a savvy, competitive football player, who'll carve out a niche somewhere


OG Xavier Su'a-Filo--Probably not there

TE Jace Amaro....odds are he's long gone but if he's there tough to pass up
TE Austin Seferian Jenkins ...moster size....not convinced on him so hope he's picked by us

QB Derek Carr.....will be long gone for sure

WR Marqise Lee......will be long gone
WR Allen Robinson.....like him just a tad more than Moncrief but elated with either at round 2
WR Donte Moncrief.....would be elated with him at round two
WR Jordan Mathews...cousin of Jerry Rice...student of game...excellent attitude...stellar route runner..right with the top three here
WE Cody Latimer......Indiana.....
WR....Devant Adams.....

LB Kyle Van Noy...love him at round two as well....playmaking LB...smash mouth
LB Trent Murphy...impact players...SACKATRON......he'd be a great addition
LB..Jeremiah Attaouchu..OLB with fierce intensity....plenty of sacks....upside ...can lose his cool

C Weston Richard...a wonderful fit with out offense and what we look for. Stability at C for years to come

[Bretsky]

real good chance a WR with star upside is sitting there for us

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like Bitonio quite a bit. The Newhouse comparison is scary, but I don't think it's valid.

Bitonio = 32" vertical, 114" broad jump
Newhouse = 25" vertical, 97" broad jump

Bitonio is a lot more explosive (e.g. stronger and more sudden in the lower body)

Amongst this year's OGs, Bitonio was 2nd in 40, 1st in shuttle, 1st in 3 cone, 1st in vertical, and 1st in broad jump. Actually, he more closely resembles Daryn Colledge athletically--although he's measured a smidge better than College. I think he'll be a better player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ealy's 4.92 40 time makes me think he's not fast enough to make the transition to 3-4 OLB, and he's too small for 3-4 DE. I think he's a 4-3 DE.

[mraynrand]

Also like Newhouse, however, Bitonio is surprisingly athletic and a savvy, competitive football player,

that's just journalistic malpractice

[call_me_ishmael]

Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure. They have a HOF type guy at QB. Spend the picks on D!!!!!!!!! They could throw out Taco Johnson and score 25-30 pts per game!

I would like a long 3-4 end, and a fast ILB. Don't really care about any other positions right now. I would like the first four picks to be D.

[Guiness]

Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure. They have a HOF type guy at QB. Spend the picks on D!!!!!!!!! They could throw out Taco Johnson and score 25-30 pts per game!

I would like a long 3-4 end, and a fast ILB. Don't really care about any other positions right now. I would like the first four picks to be D.

2013 was an even split, and I was much happier with how that looked than 2012 when they spent the first 6 picks on defense.

[Joemailman]

Also like Newhouse, however, Bitonio is surprisingly athletic and a savvy, competitive football player



that's just journalistic malpractice

Or satire.

[Bretsky]

Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure. They have a HOF type guy at QB. Spend the picks on D!!!!!!!!! They could throw out Taco Johnson and score 25-30 pts per game!

I would like a long 3-4 end, and a fast ILB. Don't really care about any other positions right now. I would like the first four picks to be D.


I don't think I want a WR; I think I want the Best Player Available. I'm hoping that matches a need. With the being said, there is some star talent left at WR. If it's taking what GB perceives to be a potential future star like Moncrief or Robinson, or an average starter....I'll go BPA and grab the star in round two.

This is a year where the WR's are loaded..far deeper than most years and probably the deepest position in the draft as far as round one/two type players.

My guess is there is a big run on WR's but if a WR is there with hands down the highest grade I roll with him. Given how many good ones there are this year that could happen.

It would not suprirse me if TT drafts Richard either; he's a Center who is a great fit in our offense.

Of course I'd LOVE to see a LB with pass rushing skills who could throw Just a Guy Jones to the curb if he's the BPA as well.

But I"m fine with BPA at this pick.

[Bretsky]

Feel free to keep adding names............when I get home from work I'll try to paste our list into the day two draft board and we can watch them get plucked one by one up to our pick. Or worse yet...when the guy we want the most falls right into our lap...TT will trade down ..........lol

[Brandon494]

Packers Day 2 Targets:

TE Jace Amaro
DT Louis Nix III
TE Troy Niklas
WR Allen Robinson
OLB Jeremiah Attaochu
ILB Christian Jones
WR Davente Adams

[woodbuck27]

I like Bitonio quite a bit. The Newhouse comparison is scary, but I don't think it's valid.

Bitonio = 32" vertical, 114" broad jump
Newhouse = 25" vertical, 97" broad jump

Bitonio is a lot more explosive (e.g. stronger and more sudden in the lower body)

Amongst this year's OGs, Bitonio was 2nd in 40, 1st in shuttle, 1st in 3 cone, 1st in vertical, and 1st in broad jump. Actually, he more closely resembles Daryn Colledge athletically--although he's measured a smidge better than College. I think he'll be a better player.

OT Joel Bitonio[/B] - 6'4" 302 - Nevada NFL.Com Grade 5.8

He's been getting some talk on NFL Access. looking at Mike Mayock's TOP 100 Joel Bitonio is ... (MM T-100 = 39)


More prominant OL Prospects remaining at the start of Round two:

Su'a-Filo, Xavier OG 6'4" 307 UCLA 5.9 ( MM T-100 = 44 )

Kouandjio, Cyrus OT 6'7" 322 Alabama 5.8 ( MM T-100 = 24 )

Jackson, Gabe OG 6'3" 336 Mississippi St. 5.7 ( MM T-100 = 71 )

Martin, Marcus C 6'3" 320 USC 5.6 ( MM T-100 = 34)

Richardson, Antonio OT 6'6" 336 Tennessee 5.6 ( MM T-100 = Missing)

Mewhort, Jack OT 6'6" 309 Ohio St. 5.6 ( MM T-100 = 59 )

Turner, Trai OG 6'3" 310 LSU 5.5 (MM T-100 = 63 )

Swanson, Travis C 6'5" 312 Arkansas 5.5

Yankey, David OG 6'6" 315 Stanford 5.5

Henderson, Seantrel OT 6'7" 331 Miami 5.5

Moses, Morgan OT 6'6" 314 Virginia 5.4

Duvernay-Tardif, Laurent OT 6'5" 321 McGill (Canada) 5.4

Richardson, Cyril OG 6'5" 329 Baylor 5.4

Thomas, Brandon OT 6'3" 317 Clemson 5.4 (MM T-100 = 100 )


Other OL Prospects:

Watt, Chris OG 6'3" 310 Notre Dame 5.4
Dozier, Dakota OT 6'4" 313 Furman 5.3

Richburg, Weston C 6'3" 298 Colorado St. 5.3

Fleming, Cameron OT 6'5" 323 Stanford 5.3
Turner, Billy OT 6'5" 315 North Dakota St. 5.3


Groy, Ryan OG 6'5" 316 Wisconsin 5.3

Bodine, Russell C 6'3" 310 North Carolina 5.3

Johnson, Wesley OT 6'5" 297 Vanderbilt 5.3
Long, Spencer OG 6'5" 320 Nebraska 5.2
Linder, Brandon OG 6'6" 311 Miami 5.2

Larsen, Tyler C 6'4" 313 Utah St. 5.2

Edwards, Kadeem OG 6'4" 313 Tennessee St. 5.2
Leno Jr., Charles OT 6'4" 303 Boise St. 5.2
Urschel, John OG 6'3" 313 Penn St. 5.2
Fulton, Zach OG 6'5" 316 Tennessee 5.2

Harrison, Jonotthan C 6'3" 304 Florida 5.2

Schofield, Michael OT 6'6" 301 Michigan 5.2

Ikard, Gabe C 6'4" 304 Oklahoma 5.2

Steen, Anthony OG 6'3" 314 Alabama 5.2
Patchan, Matt OT 6'6" 302 Boston College 5.2

Rhaney, Demetrius C 6'2" 301 Tennessee St. 5.2
Linsley, Corey C 6'3" 296 Ohio St. 5.1

[woodbuck27]

I like Bitonio quite a bit. The Newhouse comparison is scary, but I don't think it's valid.

Bitonio = 32" vertical, 114" broad jump
Newhouse = 25" vertical, 97" broad jump

Bitonio is a lot more explosive (e.g. stronger and more sudden in the lower body)

Amongst this year's OGs, Bitonio was 2nd in 40, 1st in shuttle, 1st in 3 cone, 1st in vertical, and 1st in broad jump. Actually, he more closely resembles Daryn Colledge athletically--although he's measured a smidge better than College. I think he'll be a better player.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/joel-bitonio?id=2543737

OT - Joel Bitonio - Nevada - Mountain West - Grade 5.84

An undersized college left tackle who projects best to Guard. Displays the tenacity, leg drive and mean streak that is highly coveted by OL coaches... Possesses the skill set, intelligence and desire to successfully convert from Tackle to guard in the NFL. "

Note:

302 lbs; 9 5/8 inch hands and 22 Reps Bench.

He made the MM Top 100 @ ranking number 39 ( MM Top 100 = 39 )

[woodbuck27]

Looking at WR:

Five WR's are off the board:

Watkins, Sammy WR 6'1" 211 Clemson Pick 4, Round 1 (4) Bills ... GRADE = 7.3

Evans, Mike WR 6'5" 231 Texas A&M Pick 7, Round 1 (7) Buccaneers ... GRADE = 6.4

Beckham, Odell WR 5'11" 198 LSU Pick 12, Round 1 (12) Giants ... GRADE = 6.1

Benjamin, Kelvin WR 6'5" 240 Florida St. Pick 28, Round 1 (28) Panthers 6.1

Cooks, Brandin WR 5'10" 189 Oregon St. Pick 20, Round 1 (20) Saints 5.9

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Looking at the remaining TOP 24 WR's :

Lee, Marqise WR 6'0" 192 USC GRADE = 6.2 ( MM Top 100 = 28)

Moncrief, Donte WR 6'2" 221 Mississippi GRADE = 5.9 ( MM Top 100 = 99 )

Adams, Davante WR 6'1" 212 Fresno St. GRADE = 5.7 ( MM Top 100 = 52 )

Matthews, Jordan WR 6'3" 212 Vanderbilt GRADE = 5.7 ( MM Top 100 = 70 )

Robinson, Allen WR 6'2" 220 Penn St. GRADE = 5.6 ( MM Top 100 = 77 )

Landry, Jarvis WR 5'11" 205 LSU GRADE = 5.6 ( MM Top 100 = 57 )

Evans, Shaq WR 6'1" 213 UCLA GRADE = 5.4 (*** Not on the MM Top 100)

Ellington, Bruce WR 5'9" 197 South Carolina 5.3 ( MM Top 100 = 83 )

Norwood, Kevin WR 6'2" 198 Alabama GRADE = 5.3 ***

Abbrederis, Jared WR 6'1" 195 Wisconsin GRADE = 5.3 ***

Bryant, Martavis WR 6'4" 211 Clemson 5.3 ( MM Top 100 = 87 )

Janis, Jeff WR 6'3" 219 Saginaw Valley St. GRADE = 5.3 ***

Jones, T.J. WR 6'0" 188 Notre Dame GRADE = 5.3 ***

Coleman, Brandon WR 6'6" 225 Rutgers GRADE = 5.3 ***

Richardson, Paul WR 6'0" 175 Colorado GRADE = 5.2 ( MM Top 100 = 92)

Colter, Kain WR 5'10" 198 Northwestern GRADE = 5.2 ***

Latimer, Cody WR 6'2" 215 Indiana GRADE = 5.2 ( MM Top 100 = 50 )

Street, Devin WR 6'3" 198 Pittsburgh GRADE = 5.2 ***

Huff, Josh WR 5'11" 206 Oregon GRADE = 5.2 ***

Patton, Solomon WR 5'8" 179 Florida GRADE = 5.2 ***

Davis, Mike WR 6'0" 197 Texas GRADE = 5.2 ***

Saunders, Jalen WR 5'9" 165 Oklahoma GRADE = 5.2 ***

Fowler, Bennie WR 6'1" 217 Michigan St. GRADE = 5.2 ***

Gallon, Jeremy WR 5'7" 185 Michigan GRADE 5.2 ***

A lot more WR prospects for possible Round 2 and 3 picks today Fri. 09 May, 2014...Round 4-7 picks on Sat. 10 May, 2014.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker?icampaign=nfl_drafttracker_nav-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:wr

Comment woodbuck27:

Eight of the remaining WR's that made the MM Top 100 are 6' - 0 " or taller. In his Top 100 Mike Mayock's listed 15 WR's and 11 of those are at least six feet tall.

[woodbuck27]

Looking at TE:

In Round one as expected Eric Ebron was selected and by our NFCN rival the Detroit Lions with their 10th overall pick.

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The next Ten as ranked by NFL.Com:

Niklas, Troy TE 6'6" 270 Notre Dame Grade 5.6 (Typ.) ..... ( MM Top 100 = 58 )

Amaro, Jace TE 6'5" 265 Texas Tech 5.5 ( MM Top 100 = 32 )

Seferian -Jenkins, Austin TE 6'5" 262 Washington 5.4 ( MM Top 100 = 51 )

Fiedorowicz, C.J. TE 6'5" 265 Iowa 5.4 ( MM Top 100 = 75 )

The rest of the next Top Ten (10) Prospects @ TE:

Lyerla, Colt TE 6'4" 242 Oregon 5.3

Leonard, A.C. TE 6'2" 252 Tennessee St. 5.2

Denham, Anthony TE 6'4" 235 Utah 5.2

Jensen, Marcel TE 6'6" 259 Fresno St. 5.2

Rodgers, Richard TE 6'4" 257 California 5.2

Burton, Trey TE 6'2" 224 Florida 5.2

[smuggler]

I feel like the best possible scenario is for Nix to continue to fall, either right into our lap or into a range where we can give up only a 5th or 6th to move up and take him. It seems pretty likely we'd have to at least get ahead of the Steelers.

That would give us two top-tier players at two of our three greatest positions of need (S, ILB, NT) without breaking the bank.

I'm skeptical that there is an ILB worthy of a 2nd round pick.

[Patler]

that later third is compensatory - can't trade.

I know that. I wasn't suggesting trading the compensatory pick. They have their own third round pick to trade, "their own second and third round picks." That is, their own second round pick and their own third round pick.

[Joemailman]

I feel like the best possible scenario is for Nix to continue to fall, either right into our lap or into a range where we can give up only a 5th or 6th to move up and take him. It seems pretty likely we'd have to at least get ahead of the Steelers.

That would give us two top-tier players at two of our three greatest positions of need (S, ILB, NT) without breaking the bank.

I'm skeptical that there is an ILB worthy of a 2nd round pick.

There isn't. The strength in the 2nd round is at DL, G, RB, OT and especially WR.

I think you could see as many as 8 WR's go in the 2nd round.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DT Timmy Jernigan ...another slug who plays at times harder than others
DE Kony Ealy...........up and down guy.....I'm ok with him

I think Jernigan is a 4-3 DT and Ealy is a 4-3 DE, so I doubt we'll take either. They have much more value for 4-3 teams.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My round 2 wish list (in order)

Austin Seferian-Jenkins
Louis Nix
Marqise Lee
Jordan Matthews
Ra'Shede Hageman
Jace Amaro
Davante Adams
Cody Latimer
Allen Robinson
Weston Richburg
Kyle Van Noy
Jeremiah Attaochu

[smuggler]

TE, WR, or DT!

E: I'd be okay with Van Noy, I guess.

[Patler]

Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure. They have a HOF type guy at QB. Spend the picks on D!!!!!!!!! They could throw out Taco Johnson and score 25-30 pts per game!

I would like a long 3-4 end, and a fast ILB. Don't really care about any other positions right now. I would like the first four picks to be D.

They absolutely need to rebuild their WR corps. Far too many times the past several years they have had two WRs down with injuries, and always seem to have at least one out or limited. The #3 and #4 receivers are critical position because they play routinely even when everyone is healthy. let alone when injuries hit.

Since they added Cobb, they have lost Driver, Jennings and Jones. Throw in the apparent loss of Finley, and they clearly need to add someone who can catch the ball. Maybe some of the no-names on the roster already will step up, but I'm not counting on them to do it.

[Joemailman]

They absolutely need to rebuild their WR corps. Far too many times the past several years they have had two WRs down with injuries, and always seem to have at least one out or limited. The #3 and #4 receivers are critical position because they play routinely even when everyone is healthy. let alone when injuries hit.

Since they added Cobb, they have lost Driver, Jennings and Jones. Throw in the apparent loss of Finley, and they clearly need to add someone who can catch the ball. Maybe some of the no-names on the roster already will step up, but I'm not counting on them to do it.

They need to find their 4th WR. I think Boykin is legit as a #3-4. This is a great year to find that guy. With 3 picks tonight, I think TT will find his guy.

[mraynrand]

I know that. I wasn't suggesting trading the compensatory pick. They have their own third round pick to trade, "their own second and third round picks." That is, their own second round pick and their own third round pick.


OK. I can look up the chart too, but forget the chart, do you really think their second and third will move them up to the top of the second (how high do you think they can get, and who would be worth moving up for?)

[mraynrand]

Packers Day 2 Targets:

TE Jace Amaro
DT Louis Nix III
TE Troy Niklas
WR Allen Robinson
OLB Jeremiah Attaochu
ILB Christian Jones
WR Davente Adams

Do you like Moncrief at all? I think you posted somewhere what you thought of him, but I can't find it (easily).

[Patler]

OK. I can look up the chart too, but forget the chart, do you really think their second and third will move them up to the top of the second (how high do you think they can get, and who would be worth moving up for?)

Per the old chart that has been around forever:

Packers have #53 (370 points) and #85 (165 points) - total of 535
I wrote in my earlier post that they dould move to about the 4th pick of the second round, which is worth 540 points. The 5th is 530 on the chart.

I asked if there would be anyone worth making that trade for, because I don't follow the build up to the draft all that much. There seem to be a bunch who were projected as possible 1st round picks that are still on the board, like Ealy, Lee, Kouandjio. Hageman, Nix and Tuitt. Then you have all the top tight ends after Ebron and the top center still available. I don't know if any of them make it to the Packers at #53, but is anyone so valuable as to give up #85 to get him? Four years from now we might say "yes", or we might be glad the trade wasn't made.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I knew you would quote the chart!

I think it could be worthwhile to move up, but I don't follow college to know how good these guys are. I see a game here and there and fall in love with guys. I'd be the worst GM ever. I saw Moncrief and Hageman play. Hageman, when he shows effort, is astonishing. Then he takes plays off and looks like 'Ol Cleedeeus. He could be better than Santana Dotson. Or not.

[woodbuck27]

Looking at the DL prospects remaining after Round 1:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker?icampaign=nfl_drafttracker_nav-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:dl

Clowney, Jadeveon DE 6'6" 266 South Carolina Pick 1, Round 1 (1) Texans Grade 7.5

Donald, Aaron DT 6'1" 285 Pittsburgh Pick 13, Round 1 (13) Rams 6.3

Ford, Dee DE 6'2" 252 Auburn Pick 23, Round 1 (23) Chiefs 5.7

Smith, Marcus DE 6'3" 251 Louisville Pick 26, Round 1 (26) Eagles 5.6

Easley, Dominique DT 6'2" 288 Florida Pick 29, Round 1 (29) Patriots 5.3

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These DLman are left at the start of the 2nd Round:

Tuitt, Stephon DE 6'5" 304 Notre Dame 6.1 Grade ( MM Top 100 = 33 )

Lawrence, Demarcus DE 6'3" 251 Boise St. 6.0 ( MM Top 100 = 41)

Hageman, Ra'Shede DT 6'6" 310 Minnesota 6.0 ( MM Top 100 = 48)

Nix, Louis NT 6'2" 331 Notre Dame 5.9 ( MM Top 100 = 36)

Jernigan, Timmy NT 6'2" 299 Florida St. 5.8 ( MM Top 100 = 35 )

Ealy, Kony DE 6'4" 273 Missouri 5.8 ( MM Top 100 = 45 )

Martin, Kareem DE 6'6" 272 North Carolina 5.6 ( MM Top 100 = 88)

McCullers, Daniel DT 6'7" 352 Tennessee 5.6 *** This prospect isn't ranked on Mike Mayock's Top 100 (*** Typ.)

Johnson, Anthony DT 6'2" 308 LSU 5.5 *** Ditto ***

Crichton, Scott DE 6'3" 273 Oregon St. 5.5 ( MM Top 100 = 46 )

Stinson, Ed DE 6'3" 287 Alabama 5.5 ( MM Top 100 = 69 )

Coleman, Deandre DT 6'5" 314 California *** Ditto ***

Ferguson, Ego DT 6'3" 315 LSU 5.4 ( MM Top 100 = 79 )

Stephen, Shamar DT 6'5" 309 Connecticut 5.4 *** Ditto ***

Reid, Caraun DT 6'2" 302 Princeton 5.4 *** Ditto ***

Jones, DaQuan DT 6'4" 322 Penn St. 5.4 ( MM Top 100 = 97 )

Pagan, Jeoffrey DE 6'3" 310 Alabama 5.4 *** Ditto ***

Smith, Chris DE 6'1" 266 Arkansas 5.3 *** Ditto ***

Bromley, Jason DT 6'3" 306 Syracuse 5.3 *** Ditto ***

Jones, Howard DE 6'2" 235 Shepherd 5.3 *** Ditto ***

Gayle, James DE 6'4" 259 Virginia Tech 5.3 *** Ditto ***

Webster, Larry DE 6'6" 252 Bloomsburg 5.3 *** Ditto ***

Ellis, Justin DT 6'1" 334 Louisiana Tech 5.3 ( MM Top 100 = 89 )

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker?icampaign=nfl_drafttracker_nav-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:dl

[HarveyWallbangers]

Do you like Moncrief at all? I think you posted somewhere what you thought of him, but I can't find it (easily).

Personally, I like Moncrief, but I read differing opinions on his route running. I think it's a quality that is important to TT and MM. Anybody have an educated opinion on his route running? I'd be happy with Lee, Matthews, Adams, Latimer, or Robinson. I wonder what TT thinks of Jarvis Landry. He doesn't really fit the measurables that TT usually drafts at WR, but he reminds me of a less athletic Donald Driver.

[call_me_ishmael]

I guess you guys are right. I want the best available player. Hopefully, those happen to be a 6'5" or taller DE and an ILB that can become a pro bowler.

[woodbuck27]

They absolutely need to rebuild their WR corps. Far too many times the past several years they have had two WRs down with injuries, and always seem to have at least one out or limited. The #3 and #4 receivers are critical position because they play routinely even when everyone is healthy. let alone when injuries hit.

Since they added Cobb, they have lost Driver, Jennings and Jones. Throw in the apparent loss of Finley, and they clearly need to add someone who can catch the ball. Maybe some of the no-names on the roster already will step up, but I'm not counting on them to do it.

Yes I agree.

I hope that TT gets a solid WR prospect as a priority over a TE.

He needs to find a WR that is really into playing football and learning/growing. loves to learn the game and puts in the extra hours.

[Patler]

....I don't follow college to know how good these guys are. I see a game here and there and fall in love with guys. I'd be the worst GM ever. I saw Moncrief and Hageman play. Hageman, when he shows effort, is astonishing. Then he takes plays off and looks like 'Ol Cleedeeus. He could be better than Santana Dotson. Or not.

Me too. Some teams I watch regularly, but for most of the college guys all I have ever seen are highlights. Since no one puts out highlights including their worst plays, they don't mean much. When even the guys who do this for a living can't agree on the potential for many players, I don't even try.

[cheesner]

Per the old chart that has been around forever:

Packers have #53 (370 points) and #85 (165 points) - total of 535
I wrote in my earlier post that they dould move to about the 4th pick of the second round, which is worth 540 points. The 5th is 530 on the chart.

I asked if there would be anyone worth making that trade for, because I don't follow the build up to the draft all that much. There seem to be a bunch who were projected as possible 1st round picks that are still on the board, like Ealy, Lee, Kouandjio. Hageman, Nix and Tuitt. Then you have all the top tight ends after Ebron and the top center still available. I don't know if any of them make it to the Packers at #53, but is anyone so valuable as to give up #85 to get him? Four years from now we might say "yes", or we might be glad the trade wasn't made.

I hope they sit tight. There should be a pretty good player at #53 - I don't think the drop off will be that great as far as quality player available.

Ealy
Tuitt
Lee
ASJ
Amaro
Niklas
Hagemann
Matthews
Robinson
Latimer

There will be a few OTs and QBs who should get scooped up quickly, that will help force one of these guys above down to us. Most of the guys above would not have shocked me if they went in the first. Most will be gone by the Packers pick, but odds are 1 or 2 will be there, and any one of these guys would justify sitting tight.

[Patler]

Yes I agree.

I hope that TT gets a solid WR prospect as a priority over a TE.

He needs to find a WR that is really into playing football and learning/growing. loves to learn the game and puts in the extra hours.

It would be nice to find a guy who is good enough to be a starter in a couple years, even if he doesn't need to be one in GB. I hope he can find that kind of guy in the third round, and a more immediate impact guy in the 2nd.

[Patler]

I hope they sit tight. There should be a pretty good player at #53 - I don't think the drop off will be that great as far as quality player available.

Ealy
Tuitt
Lee
ASJ
Amaro
Niklas
Hagemann
Matthews
Robinson
Latimer

There will be a few OTs and QBs who should get scooped up quickly, that will help force one of these guys above down to us. Most of the guys above would not have shocked me if they went in the first. Most will be gone by the Packers pick, but odds are 1 or 2 will be there, and any one of these guys would justify sitting tight.

Ya, there are probably 8 or 10 guys that no one would have been very surprised to see picked in the 1st round.

[woodbuck27]

Personally, I like Moncrief, but I read differing opinions on his route running. I think it's a quality that is important to TT and MM. Anybody have an educated opinion on his route running? I'd be happy with Lee, Matthews, Adams, Latimer, or Robinson. I wonder what TT thinks of Jarvis Landry. He doesn't really fit the measurables that TT usually drafts at WR, but he reminds me of a less athletic Donald Driver.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/donte-moncrief?id=2543614

See size and strength of his hands.

See route running.

In this draft he's easily an early Rd. 2 pick. His GRADE is a solid 5.92.

15 NFL Teams have primary need at WR. Eight of those teams select in the second round ahead of the Green Bay Packer's NO. 53 pick.

Maybe? WR is BPA available @ Pick #53:

Adams, Davante WR 6'1" 212 Fresno St. GRADE = 5.7 ( MM Top 100 = 52 )

or

Landry, Jarvis WR 5'11" 205 LSU GRADE = 5.6 ( MM Top 100 = 57 )

[cheesner]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/donte-moncrief?id=2543614

See size and strength of his hands.

See route running.

In this draft he's easily an early Rd. 2 pick. His GRADE is a solid 5.92.

15 NFL Teams have primary need at WR. Eight of those teams select in the second round ahead of the Green Bay Packer's NO. 53 pick.

Maybe? WR is BPA available @ Pick #53:

Adams, Davante WR 6'1" 212 Fresno St. GRADE = 5.7 ( MM Top 100 = 52 )

or

Landry, Jarvis WR 5'11" 205 LSU GRADE = 5.6 ( MM Top 100 = 57 )
The only thing I worry about for Moncrief is the rumblings that he is Finleyish in his way of talking/acting. If not true or exaggerated, I would say he would represent excellent value at #53. The athleticism is incredible.

[Zool]

Is Chad Jackson still available? We could use a WR.

[mraynrand]

The only thing I worry about for Moncrief is the rumblings that he is Finleyish in his way of talking/acting. If not true or exaggerated, I would say he would represent excellent value at #53. The athleticism is incredible.


We use 'Finleyesque' around these parts.

[Fosco33]

Too early for a Center in Rd 2?

[mraynrand]

Too early for a Center in Rd 2?

Too early for flapjacks?

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[woodbuck27]

"There will be a few OTs and QBs who should get scooped up quickly, that will help force one of these guys above down to us. " cheesner

I make it to be about seven teams that pick before us and in the QB/OT need priority.

This is what I see as an approx. ranking for tonight's Round 2 and 3 Picks:

ROUND 2:

1. Lee, Marqise WR 6'0" 192 USC 6.2

2. Hyde, Carlos RB 6'0" 230 Ohio St. 6.1

3. Tuitt, Stephon DE 6'5" 304 Notre Dame 6.1


4.Carr, Derek QB 6'2" 214 Fresno St. 6.1


5. Lawrence, Demarcus DE 6'3" 251 Boise St. 6.0

6. Hageman, Ra'Shede DT 6'6" 310 Minnesota 6.0

7. Nix, Louis NT 6'2" 331 Notre Dame 5.9

8. Moncrief, Donte WR 6'2" 221 Mississippi 5.9

9.Su'a-Filo, Xavier OG 6'4" 307 UCLA 5.9

10.Mason, Tre RB 5'8" 207 Auburn 5.8

11. Attaochu, Jeremiah OLB 6'3" 252 Georgia Tech 5.8

12. Jernigan, Timmy NT 6'2" 299 Florida St. 5.8


13. Bitonio, Joel OT 6'4" 302 Nevada 5.8

14. Kouandjio, Cyrus OT 6'7" 322 Alabama 5.8


15. Ealy, Kony DE 6'4" 273 Missouri 5.8


16. Garoppolo, Jimmy QB 6'2" 226 Eastern Illinois 5.8


17. Adams, Davante WR 6'1" 212 Fresno St. 5.7


18. McCarron, AJ QB 6'3" 220 Alabama 5.7


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The next approx. dozen fits for the Green Bay Packers, ignoring the QB and OT and RB prospects and highlighting in GREEN the others for Green Bay Packer priority needs.
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** 19. Jackson, Gabe OG 6'3" 336 Mississippi St. 5.7

** 20.Matthews, Jordan WR 6'3" 212 Vanderbilt 5.7

**21.Sankey, Bishop RB 5'9" 209 Washington 5.6

** 22. Robinson, Allen WR 6'2" 220 Penn St. 5.6

** 23. Williams, Andre RB 5'11" 230 Boston College 5.6

** 24.Martin, Kareem DE 6'6" 272 North Carolina 5.6


** 25. Martin, Marcus C 6'3" 320 USC 5.6

** 26. Landry, Jarvis WR 5'11" 205 LSU 5.6

** 27. Murphy, Trent OLB 6'5" 250 Stanford 5.6


28. Richardson, Antonio OT 6'6" 336 Tennessee 5.6


** 29.Niklas, Troy TE 6'6" 270 Notre Dame 5.6


30. Mewhort, Jack OT 6'6" 309 Ohio St. 5.6


** 31.McCullers, Daniel DT 6'7" 352 Tennessee 5.6

** 32. Hill, Jeremy RB 6'1" 233 LSU 5.5

** 33. Johnson, Anthony DT 6'2" 308 LSU 5.5

** 34.Turner, Trai OG 6'3" 310 LSU 5.5

** 35. Crichton, Scott DE 6'3" 273 Oregon St. 5.5


** 36. Amaro, Jace TE 6'5" 265 Texas Tech 5.5



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The Rest:


37. Stinson, Ed DE 6'3" 287 Alabama 5.5

38. Swanson, Travis C 6'5" 312 Arkansas 5.5

39. Archer, Dri RB 5'8" 173 Kent St. 5.5

40.Yankey, David OG 6'6" 315 Stanford 5.5

41. Coleman, Deandre DT 6'5" 314 California 5.5

42.Henderson, Seantrel OT 6'7" 331 Miami 5.5

43.Moses, Morgan OT 6'6" 314 Virginia 5.4

44. Freeman, Devonta RB 5'8" 206 Florida St. 5.4

45. Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE 6'5" 262 Washington 5.4

46. Duvernay-Tardif, Laurent OT 6'5" 321 McGill (Canada) 5.4

47.Reynolds, Rashaad CB 5'10" 189 Oregon St. 5.4

48. Ferguson, Ego DT 6'3" 315 LSU 5.4

49. Fiedorowicz, C.J. TE 6'5" 265 Iowa 5.4

50. McGill, Keith CB 6'3" 211 Utah 5.4

51. Stephen, Shamar DT 6'5" 309 Connecticut 5.4

52. Reid, Caraun DT 6'2" 302 Princeton 5.4

53. Jones, DaQuan DT 6'4" 322 Penn St. 5.4

54.Breeland, Bashaud CB 5'11" 197 Clemson 5.4

55. Exum, Antone CB 6'0" 213 Virginia Tech 5.4

56. Hubbard, Adrian OLB 6'6" 257 Alabama 5.4

57. Richardson, Cyril OG 6'5" 329 Baylor 5.4

58. Van Noy, Kyle OLB 6'3" 243 BYU 5.4

59.Thomas, Brandon OT 6'3" 317 Clemson 5.4

60. Jones, Christian ILB 6'3" 240 Florida St. 5.4

61. Thomas, Logan QB 6'6" 248 Virginia Tech 5.4

62. Pagan, Jeoffrey DE 6'3" 310 Alabama 5.4

63. Carey, Ka'Deem RB 5'9" 207 Arizona 5.4

64.Watt, Chris OG 6'3" 310 Notre Dame 5.4

65.McKinnon, Jerick RB 5'9" 209 Georgia Southern 5.4

66. Evans, Shaq WR 6'1" 213 UCLA 5.4

67. Roberson, Marcus CB 6'0" 191 Florida 5.3

68. West, Terrance RB 5'9" 225 Towson 5.3

69. Desir, Pierre CB 6'1" 198 Lindenwood 5.3

[woodbuck27]

Too early for a Center in Rd 2?

Martin, Marcus - C - 6'3" 320 - USC with a 5.6 GRADE is positioned about right to be chosen at Pick NO 53.

I believe that TT has a better BPA option for that pick.

I'm NOT Ted Thompson nor have a clue as to his Draft Board.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Trent Murphy round two, Abbrederis round three A, Borland round three B.

[mraynrand]

Abbrederis round three A,

4 bench press. LOL

[smuggler]

Van Noy, Ellington, and Kirksey. No buckeyes. Lolol

[Brandon494]

Trent Murphy round two, Abbrederis round three A, Borland round three B.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130226181218/glee/images/2/27/White_People.gif

[Teamcheez1]

Is there any reason to think TT would trade up?

I see the Texans and Redskins (33 & 34) are potentially shopping their picks. I'm not advocating it, but the option is available.

[Patler]

Is there any reason to think TT would trade up?

I see the Texans and Redskins (33 & 34) are potentially shopping their picks. I'm not advocating it, but the option is available.

If there is a player that TT was legitimately considering as his pick in the 1st round, he might want to go up and get him now.

His second, third and fifth round picks about equal #34. Since he still has comp picks in the 3rd and 5th he wouldn't be shutout in any round even after a trade like that.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

4 bench press. LOL

What is that with, 220 lbs? Well, sounds like a girly man but it didn't seem to bother him at Wisconsin. I would be ok with him at a lower round.

[denverYooper]

Ya, there are probably 8 or 10 guys that no one would have been very surprised to see picked in the 1st round.

There ended up being a run on DBs that pushed a lot of guys down.

[Joemailman]

If there is a player that TT was legitimately considering as his pick in the 1st round, he might want to go up and get him now.

His second, third and fifth round picks about equal #34. Since he still has comp picks in the 3rd and 5th he wouldn't be shutout in any round even after a trade like that.

The only guy would be Kony Ealy if TT thinks he's another Peppers. Probably the reason he's available is that teams see him as a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB tweener. Marqise Lee is there, but there's a ton of good WR's.

[Guiness]

What is that with, 220 lbs? Well, sounds like a girly man but it didn't seem to bother him at Wisconsin. I would be ok with him at a lower round.

Should be 225. 4x45lb plates + 45lb bar. Right Hans? Ya Franz!

[woodbuck27]

A prospect that may surprize you and go early in Rd. 2 :

Washington ( Need priorities @ Safety, Guard and RT ) picks @ NO. 34 overall:

and may select Alabama's OT Cyrus Kouandjio - Grade = 5.8..they may also trade down from that pick as their first priority is at safety; OG and RT.

[Brandon494]

There is no one wore trading up for IMO. With our needs being TE, LB, and WR its really no point in trading up. One of the top remaining TE/WR will still be available when we pick and no LB left is worth trading up for.

[Patler]

The only guy would be Kony Ealy if TT thinks he's another Peppers. Probably the reason he's available is that teams see him as a 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB tweener. Marqise Lee is there, but there's a ton of good WR's.

I have to admit, I would like to see Tuitt in GB. McGinn had him as the #2 DE behind Clowney and ahead of Ealy. He's 6'6", could be 320 or so. 31 reps on the bench press. Young and an intelligent kid.

Thompson likes to get the big guys, and Tuitt is more than just big, I think.

[woodbuck27]

I have to admit, I would like to see Tuitt in GB. McGinn had him as the #2 DE behind Clowney and ahead of Ealy. He's 6'6", could be 320 or so. 31 reps on the bench press. Young and an intelligent kid.

Thompson likes to get the big guys, and Tuitt is more than just big, I think.

We sure could use an upgrade at TE and we have obvious need on the DL.

Drafting to improve the DL (the head of the snake) will have short and certain long term benefit.

Draft at LBer only ona certain BPA basis and whatever round.

I want Bigger...stronger.... ie @ TE.

DT/DE but best a solid anchor or NT. I've little confidence in BJ Raji.

A versatile prospect for the OL .. ie with OG >>>Center flexibility

I'd love a WR that can help us out this season but realistically has the potential to develop into something special. two/three years down the road.

[Brandon494]

Tuiit plays better around 300 pounds and won't make it pass the Giants IMO.

[smuggler]

Well that was strange...

[Brandon494]

Van Noy, Ellington, and Kirksey. No buckeyes. Lolol

Or Badgers

[woodbuck27]

I have to admit, I would like to see Tuitt in GB. McGinn had him as the #2 DE behind Clowney and ahead of Ealy. He's 6'6", could be 320 or so. 31 reps on the bench press. Young and an intelligent kid.

Thompson likes to get the big guys, and Tuitt is more than just big, I think.

Ranking at DT:

1. Louis Nix, Notre Dame (6-2, 331)

2. Timmy Jernigan, Florida State (6-2, 299)

3. Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-6, 304)

4. Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 310)

5. Da'Quan Jones, Penn State (6-4, 322)

[call_me_ishmael]

Gimme Stephon Tuitt. High effort, very good athleticism, excellent length. Trade up to get him if that's what it takes. Dude will be a very good end opposite Jones. Having a front 3 of Jones, Raji and Tuitt would let them play a lot more 3 man fronts in my opinion.

[Guiness]

Ranking at DT:

1. Louis Nix, Notre Dame (6-2, 331)

2. Timmy Jernigan, Florida State (6-2, 299)

3. Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-6, 304)

4. Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 310)

5. Da'Quan Jones, Penn State (6-4, 322)

I would be surprised to see Nix last past the first few picks of the second round. On that note, I wonder how long Carr is going to sit there?

[woodbuck27]

QB Derek Carr may be the next QB to go early in the second round as an understudy QB under Matt Schaub in Oakland.

Prediction:

Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie continues a strong Off Season and picks this QB prospect with the 36th overall pick.

[run pMc]

Like to see them take Anywhere on Defense, plus a WR, and a TE if Niklas or Fiedoroweicz is there in R3.


Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure.

Because both Jordy and Cobb have missed games, Finley is unlikely to return, and they don't have Jennings, Driver and Jones anymore. Boykin is ok and the coaches like Myles White, but I think they could do with someone who could return kicks while they figure out the pro game and eventually push for Boykin's spot. Plus, I don't know anyone can 100% guarantee both Cobb and Nelson are back. It only takes one team to make a crazy offer and who knows what next year's WR FA/draft crop will look like.

[red]

Why do all y'all want receivers? Cobb and Nelson will both be back for sure. They have a HOF type guy at QB. Spend the picks on D!!!!!!!!! They could throw out Taco Johnson and score 25-30 pts per game!

I would like a long 3-4 end, and a fast ILB. Don't really care about any other positions right now. I would like the first four picks to be D.

because TT has proven that he does not like spending money on WR's (jennings an jones). chances look very good that one if not both of jordy and cobb could be allowed to walk next year. and since it usually takes a couple seasons for wr's to make an impact.....

its time to start drafting wr's. and it really helps that this year is loaded with wr talent

i expect us to take one tonight, and another one tomorrow

[red]

There is no one wore trading up for IMO. With our needs being TE, LB, and WR its really no point in trading up. One of the top remaining TE/WR will still be available when we pick and no LB left is worth trading up for.

agreed on the wr/te's

and agree again on the Lb's. there's a bit of a lull in the lb's until the third round

[pbmax]

Or Badgers

no, I would take Groy late enough.

[pbmax]

Too early for a Center in Rd 2?

I think they trust Tretter and Lang enough to wait until the 4th.

[mraynrand]

Packers will not draft a center. Ever.

[wist43]

Want nothing to do with Tuitt, Borland, Jernigan, or Hageman...

Like Van Noy, Moncrief, and some of the other WR's.

Like a few of the OT's too.

[Patler]

Tuiit plays better around 300 pounds and won't make it pass the Giants IMO.

Not sure about that. Two years ago he played at about 320, and played very well. Last year they said he came in at about 330 because he thought bigger would be better. When it didn't work out well, they said he started cutting weight and is now less than he was two years ago, but most everyone says that 325 or so under the direction of NFL trainers should be no problem. The kid is huge and very, very strong.

[Patler]

Want nothing to do with Tuitt, Borland, Jernigan, or Hageman...

Like Van Noy, Moncrief, and some of the other WR's.

Like a few of the OT's too.

Just curious, why not Tuitt? I'll admit to may being being biased, having seen most of his games.

[Bretsky]

Just curious, why not Tuitt? I'll admit to may being being biased, having seen most of his games.


While I my have a WR bias due to my perception that a star might be there for us, I'd undoubtedly take Tuitt with that second round pick

[wist43]

Just curious, why not Tuitt? I'll admit to may being being biased, having seen most of his games.

After his injury, he came back overweight and out of shape... played like a slug.

If he repeated his soph season last year... he'd be off the board by now, but he looked fat and slow last year.

Besides that - where are you going to play him?? We already stand a bushel full of high draft picks on the sideline every defensive snap... dunderdummy is going to keep playing that idiotic 2-4, and you know Hawk and Brad Jones will both be on the field... who ya gonna sit??

If you're gonna put Peppers in at DT, you can only play 1 guy out of Daniels, Jones, Worthy, Raji, Neal, Mulumba, and Perry.

Assume Neal starts at OLB... gonna draft Tuitt and sit him on the bench too??

[Patler]

After his injury, he came back overweight and out of shape... played like a slug.

No, not out of shape; and no he didn't play like a slug; but yes he was too heavy and it affected his quickness. Just like a few years ago when Finley decided on his own to come in lighter, Tuitt thought it would be good to be heavier. He made a conscious decision and it was wrong. But he began losing weight right away, and the last half of the year was playing very well again.

He lifted more than any DE at the combine, and is lighter than he was two years ago.

I think it was a case of a 20 year old kid making a simple mistake, but he obviously learned from it as evidenced by what he did the next 6 months.

[Bretsky]

To PATLER.........TUITT or NIX ???

[pbmax]

To PATLER.........TUITT or NIX ???

Tuitt.

[Patler]

To PATLER.........TUITT or NIX ???

I think Tuitt. I like Nix too, but for some reason when I watch him I see Raji. They are different players, I know, but I see a stump that I think will have a shorter career.

[mraynrand]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oBFoui7Gu2Y/Trge48ieqAI/AAAAAAAAErk/a5CE3r282h8/s400/RT+1.jpg

[woodbuck27]

I think Tuitt. I like Nix too, but for some reason when I watch him I see Raji. They are different players, I know, but I see a stump that I think will have a shorter career.

I was wondering late if TT might be going to trade down and pick him....as this draft approached.

I'm glad he's another teams project/prospect.

Pick 19, Round 3 (83) Texans <<< DT/NT Louis Nix III.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Day Three Targets

CB Pierre Desir
DT DaQuan Jones
OT Antonio Richardson
ILB Jordan Tripp
DT Justin Ellis
DT Daniel McCullers
CB Keith McGill
CB Marcus Roberson
WR Martavis Bryant
WR Bruce Ellington
QB Tom Savage
S Brock Vereen
S/CB Bashaud Breeland
ILB Shayne Skov
OLB James Gayle
OLB Jackson Jeffcoat
OLB Carl Bradford
CB Jaylen Watkins
CB Aaron Colvin
CB Travis Carrie
CB Walt Aikens
RB Ka'Deem Carey
S Ed Reynolds
S Craig Loston
S Kenny Ladler
DT Ryan Carrethers
DT Zach Kerr
OLB Adrian Hubbard
OLB Trevor Reilly
ILB Jordan Zumwalt
ILB Max Bullough

[mraynrand]

OLB Jackson Jeffcoat - son of Jim - Tweener!

[Bretsky]

another fun thread

[smuggler]

I think Tuitt. I like Nix too, but for some reason when I watch him I see Raji. They are different players, I know, but I see a stump that I think will have a shorter career.

You were right, Patler. Nix was Raji with less natural talent and a bum knee. Tuitt turned into a nice player for the Steelers.

[mraynrand]

Packers will not draft a center. Ever.

lol