The So Early It's Both Awesome & Stupid Thread- Pick the 53

[Packman_26]

It's far too early for this to be taken seriously, but drafting 3 WR's had me curious as to how they could all fit on the roster. So take a shot if you are so inclined. I have included some of the undrafted players that are out there right now, but I'm not confident in it being 100% complete or accurate.

QB Flynn, Matt
QB Rettig, Chase
QB Rodgers, Aaron
QB Tolzien, Scott
RB Franklin, Johnathan
RB Harris, DuJuan
RB Hill, Michael
RB Lacy, Eddie
RB Neal, Rajon
RB Sims, James
RB Starks, James
FB Kuhn, John
FB Liaina, Ina
WR Abbrederis, Jared
WR Adams, Davante
WR Boykin, Jarrett
WR Cobb, Randall
WR Dorsey, Kevin
WR Gillett, Alex
WR Harper, Chris
WR Janis, Jeff
WR Nelson, Jordy
WR White, Myles
TE Bostick, Brandon
TE Perillo, Justin
TE Quarless, Andrew
TE Rodgers, Richard
TE Stoneburner, Jake
TE Taylor, Ryan
TE Webber, Raymond
T Adams, Aaron
T Bakhtiari, David
T Bulaga, Bryan
T Sherrod, Derek
T Vujnovich, Jeremy
T/G Barclay, Don
G Fullington, John
G Lang, T.J.
G McCray, Jordan
G Sitton, Josh
G Taylor, Lane
G Tiller, Andrew
C/G Tretter, JC
C Gerhart, Garth
C Linsley, Corey
DE Boyd, Josh
DE Jones, Datone
DE Thornton, Khyri
DE Worthy, Jerel
DE/LB Neal, Mike
DE/LB Peppers, Julius
DT Daniels, Mike
DT Gray, Carlos
DT Guion, Letroy
DT Pennel, Mike
DT Raji, B.J.
LB Aiyewa, Victor
LB Barrington, Sam
LB Bradford, Carl
LB Doughty, Jake
LB Elliot, Jayrone
LB Hawk, A.J.
LB Jones, Brad
LB Lattimore, Jamari
LB Matthews, Clay
LB Mulumba, Andy
LB Palmer, Nate
LB Perry, Nick
LB Thomas, Chase
LB Thomas, Joe
CB Bush, Jarrett
CB Dennard, Antonio
CB Goodson, Demetri
CB Hayward, Casey
CB House, Davon
CB Hyde, Micah
CB Nixon, James
CB Rolle, Jumal
CB Shields, Sam
CB White, Ryan
CB Williams, Tramon
S Banjo, Chris
S Burnett, Morgan
S Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha
S Richardson, Sean
K Crosby, Mason
LS Goode, Brett
P Masthay, Tim

[smuggler]

QB Rodgers/Flynn/Tolzien
RB Lacy/Harris/Starks/Franklin
FB Kuhn/Liaina
WR Nelson/Cobb/Boykin/Adams/Abberderis
OT Bakhtiari/Bulaga/Barclay/Sherrod
OG Sitton/Lang/Taylor
OC Tretter/Linsley
TE Quarless/Rodgers/Bostick
DE DJones/Neal/Daniels/Worthy/Thornton
NT Raji/Boyd
OLB Peppers/Perry/Matthews/Mulumba/CBradford
ILB Hawk/BJones/Barrington/Lattimore
CB TWilliams/Shields/House/Heyward/Hyde/Goodson
S Dix/Burnett/Banjo/Richardson
ST Masthay/Crosby/Goode

VAiyewa, JBush, NPalmer, GGerhart, LGuion, RTaylor, JStoneburner, KDorsey, JJanis, JKuhn all cut.

Very possible Sherrod or Tolzien could be let go if a UDFA and/or Janis/Aiyewa make the team.

[Packman_26]

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB Lacy, Starks, Franklin
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis, Janis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Taylor
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley
DE Jones, Daniels, Worthy, Thornton
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Mulumba
ILB Hawk, Jones, Bradford, Lattimore
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, Hyde, Goodson, House
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson, Banjo
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

I'm willing to bet the someone from the QB/RB/WR groups are on the PUP/IR coming out of camp so they wouldn't actually cut Harris. The same on the Defensive side of the ball, probably on the defensive line and Barrington makes the team. Bush comes to the end of the line unless he sneaks in the backdoor via injury.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Taylor
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley
DE Jones, Daniels, Worthy, Thornton
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Mulumba
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Nixon
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Don't write off Bush yet. Hyde could take the 4th safety spot from Banjo. Also depends on how Goodson and Nixon look. I have Janis as a tease who doesn't make the team--much like Charles Johnson last year. They'll try to sneak him onto the PS and get usurped again. I think either Harris or Franklin will make the squad. Not both. And I have a gut feeling that either Neal or Perkins makes the team as a 4th RB. Both have talent. Perkins is a better inside runner than his size would indicate. I don't have the 'nads to pencil it at this point though.

[smuggler]

Sorry guys, gonna need that 9th o-lineman... :-|

[HarveyWallbangers]

They've rolled with 8 before, but they'll likely carry 9. I couldn't tell you who that would be though. Taylor at this point. Could be Flynn that would get cut if Tolzien shows anything. Roster looks pretty solid. Hoping Lattimore, Barrington, or Bradford can push Jones out of one of the staring ILB spots. Otherwise, I like the roster.

[woodbuck27]

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Taylor
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley
DE Jones, Daniels, Worthy, Thornton
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Mulumba
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Nixon
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Don't write off Bush yet. Hyde could take the 4th safety spot from Banjo. Also depends on how Goodson and Nixon look. I have Janis as a tease who doesn't make the team--much like Charles Johnson last year. They'll try to sneak him onto the PS and get usurped again. I think either Harris or Franklin will make the squad. Not both. And I have a gut feeling that either Neal or Perkins makes the team as a 4th RB. Both have talent. Perkins is a better inside runner than his size would indicate. I don't have the 'nads to pencil it at this point though.

Solid.

[Just Jeff]

They've rolled with 8 before, but they'll likely carry 9. I couldn't tell you who that would be though. Taylor at this point. Could be Flynn that would get cut if Tolzien shows anything. Roster looks pretty solid. Hoping Lattimore, Barrington, or Bradford can push Jones out of one of the staring ILB spots. Otherwise, I like the roster.
I think that last season makes that an impossiblity

[pbmax]

I think that last season makes that an impossiblity

Seems that way, but McCarthy has made Flynn look good, it remains to be seen what he can do with Tolzien in one entire offseason.

[Just Jeff]

Seems that way, but McCarthy has made Flynn look good, it remains to be seen what he can do with Tolzien in one entire offseason.
Is Seneca coming around in rehab?

[pbmax]

Is Seneca coming around in rehab?

His hip is fine. Not much hope for his arm.

[run pMc]

And I have a gut feeling that either Neal or Perkins makes the team as a 4th RB. Both have talent. Perkins is a better inside runner than his size would indicate.

Perkins? Who's that?

[Just Jeff]

Perkins? Who's that?
Great R&B singer. I know its early so I'll excuse you.

[Packman_26]

Sorry guys, gonna need that 9th o-lineman... :-|
Much easier to keep 9 when you pick 55 guys. :taunt:
Last Night I read that Linsley could long snap. I doubt that they would give him double duty as the starting center and the long snapper but if he's solely a backup center I could see having him replace Goode. If that happened you could have another roster spot for the 9th lineman.

[smuggler]

I meant to drop out the other FB and Tolzien. Or both Kuhn and Liaina.

I pasted from Wordpad and I had strikethroughs that didn't make it over.

[Brandon494]

Going to wait until we finish signing UDFA because you know at least one will make the team.

[mraynrand]

Last Night I read that Linsley could long snap.

That's good and not goode all at the same time.

What could be more riveting than a training camp battle of the long snappers!?

[Brandon494]

Ohio St also ran a lot of shotgun, something we like to do a lot.

[Brandon494]

QB Rodgers, Flynn (2)
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin (6)
FB Kuhn (7)
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis, Jeff Janis (13)
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Taylor (17)
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod (21)
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley, (25)
DE Jones, Daniels, Thornton, Worthy (29)
NT Raji, Boyd (31)
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal (33)
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Hubbard (37)
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Thomas (41)
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush (46)
CB/S Hyde (47)
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson, (50)
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode (53)

[smuggler]

Too many talented dudes to have a guy like Bush on the roster. This is finally the year he goes. I also think they'll keep a 4th true safety. It might be someone we pick up UDFA or it might be Banjo, but I don't think it'll be Hyde.

Also, even though Barrington is a bit on the slow side, I give him a better shot at sticking than Thomas, and I don't feel there's much chance that Mulumba gets cut.

[Brandon494]

I've heard that the past 3 years and Bush also has experience playing safety.

[smuggler]

Yeah, but there are more young guys who can play special teams. House can do that job and even though he's far from great or even consistent, really, I much prefer House playing CB to Bush.

[pbmax]

I've heard that the past 3 years and Bush also has experience playing safety.

Bush's experience at safety was bad enough that McCarthy all but promised, publicly, to end that experiment.

Its House I am wondering about. He seemed destined to keep Shields on the bench in one camp and then shuffle Tramon off to retirement in another. But he has not produced much in the regular season. Crabtree gave him fits in the playoffs. A draft pick under cheap contract doesn't get cut often but right now I wouldn't expect him back at the end of it.

[Brandon494]

I could see them keeping Banjo over Bush. I don't see House losing his job, no one really to push him.

[pbmax]

I could see them keeping Banjo over Bush. I don't see House losing his job, no one really to push him.

Still the best gunner they have. Would be tough as Banjo hasn't done that on ST.

[Brandon494]

So you would keep Bush over House?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

QB: Rodgers, Flynn
RB: Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin
FB: Kuhn
WR: Nelson, Cobb, Abbrederis, Adams, Boykin, Janis
TE: Finley, Quarless, Rodgers
T: Bulaga, Sherrod, Bahkitari, Barclay
G/C: Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley, UDFA

DE: Perry, Jones, Worthy, Daniels, Thornton
NT: Raji, Boyd
OLB: Matthews, Peppers, Neal, Bradford
ILB: Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB: Williams, Shields, Hayward, Hyde (CB/S), House, Goodson, Bush
S: Clinton-Dix, Burnett, Banjo

K: Crosby
P: Masthay
LS: Goode

Notes:
- Keep 9 Olinemen.
- Hyde playing both CB and S allows Bush to make the team yet another year.
- PS players include: Tolzien and Palmer
- Finley gets cleared in a few months and is almost forced to accept a one year deal with us being so late in the year.
- Perry moves to DE (where he belongs)

[pbmax]

So you would keep Bush over House?

Not unless I HAD to have Banjo due to safety injuries. Then the decision would be tough.

[Pugger]

Is Seneca coming around in rehab?

I'm rather surprised he hasn't announced his retirement.

[Guiness]

I don't like the way everyone is writing off White at WR! I think after an off-season of work, during which he is reported to have put on 10lbs, he's going to compete for a roster spot. Abbrederis is as good as gone, being a Badger and all :no:

If they keep 5, it could look like this:

WR: Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Janis, White

[Brandon494]

Are you related to White?

[Pugger]

You think Janis is better than Abbrederis?

[Brandon494]

I have them both making the team on my 53 man roster, really hard to say right now.

[Pugger]

I have them both making the team on my 53 man roster, really hard to say right now.

Sorry, I was directing my question at Guiness. :oops:

[smuggler]

I can't believe you feel Mulumba and Boykin should be off the team, Guiness...

[Guiness]

Sorry, I was directing my question at Guiness. :oops:

No, I was mostly poking fun at the crew here that laments the lack of players from the southern UofW players on the Packers! Heck, there was even a thread about it,
http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26805-0-for-87-WILL-THE-STREAK-CONTINUE-PROBABLY
at least the drafting streak was broken!

[Patler]

The 5th CB and/or 4th safety doesn't make the team to play CB or safety. They make the team to play special teams. under normal circumstances, the player has 0 snaps on defense, but will see a bunch on ST every week. Bush probably continues to make the team until another player is comparable to him on STs.

[pittstang5]

The 5th CB and/or 4th safety doesn't make the team to play CB or safety. They make the team to play special teams. under normal circumstances, the player has 0 snaps on defense, but will see a bunch on ST every week. Bush probably continues to make the team until another player is comparable to him on STs.

I'm guessing you could say that about Ryan Taylor. Why do they keep 4 TEs and how does he keep making the team? Answer: He plays Special Teams and does a very good job at it.

I can't remember if it was a preseason game or a regular game last year, he was wide open in the middle of the field, the QB hit him in stride and he drops an easy TD. But I guess the coaches see him as having more value at special teams, then they do at TE - hence why he's still here.

[Patler]

I'm guessing you could say that about Ryan Taylor. Why do they keep 4 TEs and how does he keep making the team? Answer: He plays Special Teams and does a very good job at it.

I can't remember if it was a preseason game or a regular game last year, he was wide open in the middle of the field, the QB hit him in stride and he drops an easy TD. But I guess the coaches see him as having more value at special teams, then they do at TE - hence why he's still here.

Agreed. Probably true also when they have a 9th or more LB, too.

[Fritz]

I believe they're keeping Jonothan Franklin because there's an opening on the toilet cleaning crew.

[smuggler]

I really would prefer they kept Harris instead of Franklin, if only one can stay. That is, unless Franklin shows a little more.

[OS PA]

Hubbard is making this team. We're also going to resign Finley. We're going to say goodbye to one or two good linebackers, as we do every year. I see it coming down to Mulumba or Barrington, and I think the coaches like Barrington more.

QB (3) - Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB (4) - Lacy, Starks, Franklin, Harris
FB (1) - Kuhn
WR (5) - Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams(r), Abbredaris(r)
TE (4) Finley, Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers(r)
OL (9) Bulaga, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bakhtiari, Barclay, Sherrod, Linsley(r), Lane
DL (5) Raji, Boyd, Thornton(r), Jones, Daniels
LB (10) Matthews, Peppers, Neal, Jones, Hawk, Barrington, Lattimore, Hubbard(UDFA-r), Perry, Bradford(r)
CB (5) Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush
S (4) Burnett, Clinton-Dix(r), Hyde, Richardson
Sp (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

[Brandon494]

I'd be so pissed if we let Janis walk to keep Tolzien at QB.

[mraynrand]

I really would prefer they kept Harris instead of Franklin, if only one can stay. That is, unless Franklin shows a little more.

My refrigerator delivery guy claims he went to high school with Harris. he also claims Harris is working out like a maniac and will be ready for camp. Also, he can get me a great deal on a Camaro, but I'd have to decide right away because he has 'a couple of other guys really interested in it.'

[pbmax]

My refrigerator delivery guy claims he went to high school with Harris. he also claims Harris is working out like a maniac and will be ready for camp. Also, he can get me a great deal on a Camaro, but I'd have to decide right away because he has 'a couple of other guys really interested in it.'

That's pretty full service from Frigidaire.

[Fritz]

I bet he can hook you up with some weed, too.

Just goes to show you that old Maytag repairman really didn't need to be sitting around. He coulda had a sweet little side business flipping used cars and servicing housewives.

I'm going to root for Janis in camp. He looks the part. Though Dorsey from MD has some speed and size.

[Pugger]

Could we stow Janis on the PS? He has a ton of potential but is extremely raw.

[Teamcheez1]

Could we stow Janis on the PS? He has a ton of potential but is extremely raw.

If TT/MM think Janis won't make it to the practice squad, he will have a mystery injury that forces him to IR for the season.

[pbmax]

If there is any justice in the world, Janis will get the camp hamstring.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_wy8ebqKbA

[mraynrand]

That's pretty full service from Frigidaire.

LG, but yeah, I appreciated that they sent a guy with inside info on the Packers to my house.

[woodbuck27]

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Taylor
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley
DE Jones, Daniels, Worthy, Thornton
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Mulumba
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Nixon
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Don't write off Bush yet. Hyde could take the 4th safety spot from Banjo. Also depends on how Goodson and Nixon look. I have Janis as a tease who doesn't make the team--much like Charles Johnson last year. They'll try to sneak him onto the PS and get usurped again. I think either Harris or Franklin will make the squad. Not both. And I have a gut feeling that either Neal or Perkins makes the team as a 4th RB. Both have talent. Perkins is a better inside runner than his size would indicate. I don't have the 'nads to pencil it at this point though.

Observation:

** Prospects From 2014 DRAFT....7 of 9 total.

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien

RB Lacy, Starks, Harris, Franklin

FB Kuhn

WR Cobb, Nelson, ** Rd. 2 Pick - #53 overall - Davante Adams, Boykin, ** Rd. Rd. 5 Comp. Pick - 176 Overall - Jared Abbrederis

TE Quarless, Bostick, ** Rd. 3 Comp. Pick Pick #58 overall - Richard Rodgers, Taylor

T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod

G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, ** Rd. 5 Pick #161 overall - C Corey Linsley

DE Jones, Daniels, Worthy, ** Round 3, Pick #85 overall - DT Khyri Thornton

NT Raji, Boyd

DE/OLB Peppers, Neal

OLB Matthews, Perry, ** Rd. 4 Pick 121 overall Carl Bradford, Mulumba

ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington

CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Nixon

S Burnett, ** Rd. 1 Pick #21 overall - Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson

ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

GO PACK GO !

[Guiness]

Observation:

** Prospects From 2014 DRAFT....7 of 9 total.
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Nixon

S Burnett, ** Rd. 1 Pick #21 overall - Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson

GO PACK GO !

SO many predicting the end of the Bush era. He's proved pretty resilient, I'll believe it when I see it!

[woodbuck27]

Could we stow Janis on the PS? He has a ton of potential but is extremely raw.

Being assigned to the PS won't protect him from being snapped up by any other NFL team.

[Patler]

Several year end evaluations mentioned that Goode was a bit erratic last year, although, to be honest. I didn't notice it. His downfield coverage has always been below par, I think. I wonder if it is feasible from a practice standpoint to have Linsley, who is reportedly a good long snapper, be the regular at that and the backup C.

Probably not. MM has said he doesn't like to use the backup QB because he can't be in two places at once, practicing with the O and with the punter or kicker. He would probably feel the same about the backup center.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien

Competition: Backup QB - Tolzien could beat out Flynn for the backup spot. If so, Flynn probably gets cut.

RB Eddie Lacy, James Starks, John Kuhn, DuJuan Harris

Competition: 4th String RB - Johnathan Franklin, Rajion Neal, or LaDarius Perkins could win a 4th RB spot.

WR Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Jarrett Boykin, Jared Abbrederis

Competiton: Backup Slot WR - Myles White could beat out Abbrederis for the backup slot receiver spot.
Competition: 6th WR vs Roster Numbers - Jeff Janis, Kevin Dorsey, or Chris Harper could win a 6th WR spot.

TE Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Ryan Taylor

Competition: Backup TE/Special Teams Ace - Jake Stoneburner could beat out Taylor for a backup spot.
Competition: 4th TE vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could go with three TEs.

OL David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Don Barclay, Lane Taylor

Competition: 9th OL - An unheralded young player could beat out Taylor for a interior OL backup spot.
Competition: 9th OL vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could carry eight OL. Unlikely, but possible.

DL Julius Peppers, B.J. Raji, Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Jerel Worthy

Competition: 7th DL - Letroy Guion or Mike Pennel could beat out Worthy for a backup spot, if Worthy does not show vast improvement in training camp.

OLB Clay Matthews, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Andy Mulumba

Competition: 5th OLB - Nate Palmer could beat out Mulumba for a backup spot.
Competition: 5th OLB vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could go with four OLBs.

ILB A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington

Competition: Starting ILB - Jamari Lattimore or Sam Barrington could beat out Brad Jones for starting ILB. I'd like to see Bradford given a shot, but it's unlikely.

CB Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush

Competition: Backup CB - Demetri Goodson, James Nixon, or Jumal Rolle could beat out House or Bush for a backup spot.

S Morgan Burnett, Hasean Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Micah Hyde

Competition: Backup S - Green Bay could carry four true safeties, giving Chris Banjo a shot at a roster spot. Otherwise, Green Bay could roll with Hyde and/or Bush as an emergency 4th safety.

ST Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

[Brandon494]

At least one UDFA will make this team. I'd also be pissed if we kept that scrum Tolzein over Janis.

[Joemailman]

QB Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien

Competition: Backup QB - Tolzien could beat out Flynn for the backup spot. If so, Flynn probably gets cut.

RB Eddie Lacy, James Starks, John Kuhn, DuJuan Harris

Competition: 4th String RB - Johnathan Franklin, Rajion Neal, or LaDarius Perkins could win a 4th RB spot.

WR Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Jarrett Boykin, Jared Abbrederis

Competiton: Backup Slot WR - Myles White could beat out Abbrederis for the backup slot receiver spot.
Competition: 6th WR vs Roster Numbers - Jeff Janis, Kevin Dorsey, or Chris Harper could win a 6th WR spot.

TE Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Ryan Taylor

Competition: Backup TE/Special Teams Ace - Jake Stoneburner could beat out Taylor for a backup spot.
Competition: 4th TE vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could go with three TEs.

OL David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Don Barclay, Lane Taylor

Competition: 9th OL - An unheralded young player could beat out Taylor for a interior OL backup spot.
Competition: 9th OL vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could carry eight OL. Unlikely, but possible.

DL Julius Peppers, B.J. Raji, Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Jerel Worthy

Competition: 7th DL - Letroy Guion or Mike Pennel could beat out Worthy for a backup spot, if Worthy does not show vast improvement in training camp.

OLB Clay Matthews, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Andy Mulumba

Competition: 5th OLB - Nate Palmer could beat out Mulumba for a backup spot.
Competition: 5th OLB vs. Roster Numbers - Green Bay could go with four OLBs.

ILB A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington

Competition: Starting ILB - Jamari Lattimore or Sam Barrington could beat out Brad Jones for starting ILB. I'd like to see Bradford given a shot, but it's unlikely.

CB Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush

Competition: Backup CB - Demetri Goodson, James Nixon, or Jumal Rolle could beat out House or Bush for a backup spot.

S Morgan Burnett, Hasean Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Micah Hyde

Competition: Backup S - Green Bay could carry four true safeties, giving Chris Banjo a shot at a roster spot. Otherwise, Green Bay could roll with Hyde and/or Bush as an emergency 4th safety.

ST Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

James Nixon was cut today.

[smuggler]

Quarterback (2):
Flynn, Matt
Rodgers, Aaron

Wide Receiver (6):
Abbrederis, Jared (Or White)
Adams, Davante
Boykin, Jarrett
Cobb, Randall
Janis, Jeff (Or Dorsey)
Nelson, Jordy

Tight End (3):
Lyerla, Colt (Or Bostick)
Quarless, Andrew
Rodgers, Richard

Running Back (5):
Harris, DuJuan (Or Franklin)
Lacy, Eddie
Liaina, Ina (Or Kuhn)
Neal, Raijon (Or Perkins)
Starks, James

Center (2):
Linsley, Corey
Tretter, J.C.

Guard (3):
Lang, T.J.
Sitton, Josh
Taylor, Lane

Tackle (4):
Bakhtiari, David
Barclay, Don
Bulaga, Bryan
Sherrod, Derek (Or Tolzien - quarterback)

Defensive Line (7):
Boyd, Josh
Daniels, Mike
Jones, Datone
Neal, Michael
Raji, B.J.
Thornton, Khyri
Worthy, Jerel

Inside Linebacker (4):
Barrington, Sam (Or Jones)
Bradford, Carl
Hawk, A.J.
Lattimore, Jamari

Outside Linebacker (5):
Hubbard, Adrian (Or Banjo - safety)
Matthews, Clay
Mulumba, Andy
Peppers, Julius
Perry, Nick

Cornerback (6):
Goodson, Demetri (Or Bush)
Hayward, Casey
House, Davon
Hyde, Micah
Shields, Sam
Williams, Tramon

Safety (3):
Burnett, Morgan
Clinton-Dix, Ha'Sean
Richardson, Sean

Special Teams (3):
Crosby, Mason
Masthay, Tim
Goode, Brett

[smuggler]

It might also be that they view Barclay as a capable backup at guard, and they let Taylor go. In that case, we could be keeping a third QB or perhaps an extra running back or DLineman.

[Fritz]

Several year end evaluations mentioned that Goode was a bit erratic last year, although, to be honest. I didn't notice it. His downfield coverage has always been below par, I think. I wonder if it is feasible from a practice standpoint to have Linsley, who is reportedly a good long snapper, be the regular at that and the backup C.

Probably not. MM has said he doesn't like to use the backup QB because he can't be in two places at once, practicing with the O and with the punter or kicker. He would probably feel the same about the backup center.


I think you're completely wrong here, Patler. There's no reason Linsley couldn't do it, as long as he....

keeps it snappy.

[Pugger]

Being assigned to the PS won't protect him from being snapped up by any other NFL team.

Unless, of course, if we do what we did last year to that other WR and offer Janis a regular rookie salary instead of the going rate for PS players.

[Guiness]

Unless, of course, if we do what we did last year to that other WR and offer Janis a regular rookie salary instead of the going rate for PS players.

Did that for the last few weeks of the season, not the whole year. Does money paid to ps players count vs the cap? I wonder if the league would have something to say if teams started doing this, seems like it would be akin to hoarding players.

[Joemailman]

Did that for the last few weeks of the season, not the whole year. Does money paid to ps players count vs the cap? I wonder if the league would have something to say if teams started doing this, seems like it would be akin to hoarding players.

PS salaries do count against cap. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/31/4677982/nfl-practice-squad-salary-rules-eligibility

[pbmax]

Unless, of course, if we do what we did last year to that other WR and offer Janis a regular rookie salary instead of the going rate for PS players.

Let's skip the misdiagnose the torn ACL step.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn
RB Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin
FB John Kuhn
WR Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis
TE Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Colt Lyerla
OL David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Khyri Thornton, Josh Boyd, Jerel Worthy
LB Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Adrian Hubbard, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Demetri Goodson
S Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Micah Hyde, Sean Richardson
ST Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Scott Tolzien could beat out Flynn for the backup QB spot or he could show enough to make the roster as the third string QB. With a completely healthy roster I see him being the last cut. However, it's probably more likely that a roster spot opens up for him with an injury to a RB, WR, DL, or LB.

My gut tells me that either Harris or Franklin makes the roster, but not both. I lean Harris because he's shown me more, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rajion Neal or LaDarius Perkins knocks the loser of the RB3 battle off the roster.

Eight on the OL is light, but they've carried eight before and I don't see anybody worthy of the 9th OL spot. Sherrod can back up at both OT spots. Barclay can backup at OG and OT. Tretter or Linsley could also kick out to OG with an injury there.

I see one of my projected DL getting cut. Perhaps for Jeff Janis. I suspect it will be Jerel Worthy, if he doesn't show improvement. If they want another big body, I could see Letroy Guion earning a spot also.

My gut tells me that Jake Doughty will be surprise in camp and earn a roster spot, but I don't have a feel for whose roster spot that will be. It wouldn't be a shock to me if Lattimore or Barrington beats out Jones. If that were to happen, I could see the Packers parting ways with Jones and opening a spot for a guy like Doughty.

The last OLB spot is interesting. With a second year jump either Andy Mulumba or Nate Palmer could beat out Adrian Hubbard.

I have Richardson beating out Banjo for the last safety spot. I think he gives the Packers something different at that spot.

The last roster spot came down to Jeff Janis vs. Demetri Goodson. I project Goodson, primarily because he was drafted ahead of Janis.

I like this roster. If healthy, this is a championship contender.

[vince]

QB Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn
RB Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin
FB John Kuhn
WR Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis
TE Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Colt Lyerla
OL David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Khyri Thornton, Josh Boyd, Jerel Worthy
LB Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Adrian Hubbard, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Demetri Goodson
S Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Micah Hyde, Sean Richardson
ST Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Scott Tolzien could beat out Flynn for the backup QB spot or he could show enough to make the roster as the third string QB. With a completely healthy roster I see him being the last cut. However, it's probably more likely that a roster spot opens up for him with an injury to a RB, WR, DL, or LB.

My gut tells me that either Harris or Franklin makes the roster, but not both. I lean Harris because he's shown me more, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rajion Neal or LaDarius Perkins knocks the loser of the RB3 battle off the roster.

Eight on the OL is light, but they've carried eight before and I don't see anybody worthy of the 9th OL spot. Sherrod can back up at both OT spots. Barclay can backup at OG and OT. Tretter or Linsley could also kick out to OG with an injury there.

I see one of my projected DL getting cut. Perhaps for Jeff Janis. I suspect it will be Jerel Worthy, if he doesn't show improvement. If they want another big body, I could see Letroy Guion earning a spot also.

My gut tells me that Jake Doughty will be surprise in camp and earn a roster spot, but I don't have a feel for whose roster spot that will be. It wouldn't be a shock to me if Lattimore or Barrington beats out Jones. If that were to happen, I could see the Packers parting ways with Jones and opening a spot for a guy like Doughty.

The last OLB spot is interesting. With a second year jump either Andy Mulumba or Nate Palmer could beat out Adrian Hubbard.

I have Richardson beating out Banjo for the last safety spot. I think he gives the Packers something different at that spot.

The last roster spot came down to Jeff Janis vs. Demetri Goodson. I project Goodson, primarily because he was drafted ahead of Janis.

I like this roster. If healthy, this is a championship contender.
Yes that looks really good to me too - without the benefit of time to see who inevitably misses time in camp and gets PUP'd or IR'd...
I too think they'll go with 8 linemen and keep a couple on the PS more for emergency than development. The OL looks good to me but at this point it looks like it only goes 8 deep in terms of who you'd be remotely comfortable playing significant minutes and that's assuming (a good assumption I think) that Linsley proves out.

I know he's already 25 I believe but I think Goodson is a PS candidate because they'll have House and Bush for gunner ST duties and will want a bigger body ST ace like Taylor or the LB prospect you mentioned...

I've been curious to see the big receiver they stole from the Seahawks/Niners who was a 4th round pick last year ever since they got him. I think he might have a chance to be one of those unique guys who McCarthy could use creatively in a pseudo H-back/slot movement type role to get him mismatched with LBers. He's pretty thick for a wideout and has decent wheels if I'm not mistaken.

Now I'm curious to see Janis too because of his raw potential but my guess is he's a PS guy or someone who comes down with a mysterious injury just before cut-down day to buy some time for him to be retained for next year.

[smuggler]

Let's skip the misdiagnose the torn ACL step.

The Browns put Charles Johnson on the Non-Football Injury list after discovering his ACL tear. He didn't make any money last year because of that. Sucks to be a Brown.

[vince]

If Rodgers and Lyerla show promise in camp I could see Taylor replacing Bostick on the 53 because he fills a ST role that none of the other TE's likely do, though Lyerla was a bad-ass LBer in high school. But if he's on the 53 I gotta believe he's going to be getting minutes on offense. I could be off base because we haven't really seen enough of him but I don't think Bostick is much of an inline blocker or kamikaze-type on ST that McCarthy looks for in his reserve TE's. There's not enough room for 3 TE's who are all good receivers but don't give you value on ST and as a blocker. Most rooks need to develop in those areas because they weren't asked to do it much before - particularly not against NFL linemen and linebackers who make a living tossing experienced TE's around who are supposed to be good at it. If that's accurate about Bostick it could be his downfall this year due to roster needs and talent at other positions.

[woodbuck27]

QB Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn
RB Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin
FB John Kuhn
WR Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis
TE Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Colt Lyerla
OL David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Khyri Thornton, Josh Boyd, Jerel Worthy
LB Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Adrian Hubbard, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Demetri Goodson
S Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Micah Hyde, Sean Richardson
ST Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Scott Tolzien could beat out Flynn for the backup QB spot or he could show enough to make the roster as the third string QB. With a completely healthy roster I see him being the last cut. However, it's probably more likely that a roster spot opens up for him with an injury to a RB, WR, DL, or LB.

My gut tells me that either Harris or Franklin makes the roster, but not both. I lean Harris because he's shown me more, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rajion Neal or LaDarius Perkins knocks the loser of the RB3 battle off the roster.

Eight on the OL is light, but they've carried eight before and I don't see anybody worthy of the 9th OL spot. Sherrod can back up at both OT spots. Barclay can backup at OG and OT. Tretter or Linsley could also kick out to OG with an injury there.

I see one of my projected DL getting cut. Perhaps for Jeff Janis. I suspect it will be Jerel Worthy, if he doesn't show improvement. If they want another big body, I could see Letroy Guion earning a spot also.

My gut tells me that Jake Doughty will be surprise in camp and earn a roster spot, but I don't have a feel for whose roster spot that will be. It wouldn't be a shock to me if Lattimore or Barrington beats out Jones. If that were to happen, I could see the Packers parting ways with Jones and opening a spot for a guy like Doughty.

The last OLB spot is interesting. With a second year jump either Andy Mulumba or Nate Palmer could beat out Adrian Hubbard.

I have Richardson beating out Banjo for the last safety spot. I think he gives the Packers something different at that spot.

The last roster spot came down to Jeff Janis vs. Demetri Goodson. I project Goodson, primarily because he was drafted ahead of Janis.

I like this roster. If healthy, this is a championship contender.

After looking at this Aaron Rodgers interview your going to be psyched.

Aaron is upbeat/optimistic about "the maze" that's the roster right now. With the new fellas he mentions learning the play book as quickly as possible. He likes the additions at WR and talks about the improvements he expects in season 1-2 and 2-3 players in terms of the jump in their NFL abilities/confidence. He's looking forward to a much improved defense.

He likes the additions on "D" of LB/DE Julius Peppers He feels at home now in Green Bay.)and DT Letroy Guion (6'- 4" 315 lbs) and 7 Yrs. NFL experience. The media asks a few questions about the Center position. His response and center should be noted.

Aaron also talks about his off season conditioning. It looks like YOGA is the thing and conditioning Packers now (see WR Randall Cobb who makes some interesting comments in his interview). He believes with the three new additions and more growth from the returnee's at WR the Packers WR Corps will have a whole different look this season.

Also look for the Hasean "Ha Ha"Clinton-Dix interview. I like his down to earth style.

Other interviews...Rookie TE Colt Lyerla (the fans are on his side and he feels he's in the best spot ...excited about his opportunity in Green Bay). He said that he wasn't singled out in any way in terms of his past and what is expected of him as a Packer prospect. You'll enjoy his calm nature/attitude.

Again this season we have lots to choose from at the TE spot. I'll be surprized if TT signs JerMichael Finley. He'll want too much $money$ and TT would be wise to convince JF to accept less and return to the Packers to see where he really is. If TT signs him and we see more potential with other TE"s on our roster the trade JerMichael Finley option may open up.

In addition you may enjoy the Rookie CB Demetri Goodson Interview. This is a confident young man.

it's going to be a real battle before the 2014 Green Bay Packers roster is down to 53. That roster will be very talented and dep and we're in for a terrific season Packerrats.

GO PACK GO !

[mraynrand]

Other interviews...Rookie TE Colt Lyerla (the fans are on his side and he feels he's in the best spot ...excited about his opportunity in Green Bay). He said that he wasn't singled out in any way in terms of his past and what is expected of him as a Packer prospect. You'll enjoy his calm nature/attitude.

quaaludes will have that effect.

[woodbuck27]

quaaludes will have that effect.

We can count on you to keep it positive.

[pbmax]

The Browns put Charles Johnson on the Non-Football Injury list after discovering his ACL tear. He didn't make any money last year because of that. Sucks to be a Brown.

Did they ever explain what happened? Did he do it between practices, or right after he signed to their roster celebrating?

Or was the original injury just in pre-camp training.

[Guiness]

Good list Harv, some thought went into it.

I know what you're saying about 8 OL, but I can't see them going with the list you put up - primarily because of those 8, Bulaga and Sherrod are two of them! I can't see TT putting that much faith in both of them being ready, and staying available through the season. I think another body gets added to that list from somewhere.

Bold call on Worthy. Give up on a 2nd round pick after 2 seasons? That would be a loss.

What do you like so much about Hubbard, the UDFA you have making the team at LB?

The last CB spot will be an interesting battle. Does Bush hold on for another year? Do they keep House, who has shown flashes of both good play and suckiness? Keeping an eye on Goodson, who's older but obviously very athletic as a two sport athelete - only person to ever start an NCAA tournament and BCS bowl game!

[Guiness]

Did they ever explain what happened? Did he do it between practices, or right after he signed to their roster celebrating?

Or was the original injury just in pre-camp training.

I was under the impression he punched a coach, who retaliated by sweeping his leg.

[woodbuck27]

I was under the impression he punched a coach, who retaliated by sweeping his leg.

and followed up with a solid right hand thrust punch to the throat...that caused his eyes to bulge and ears to pop accompanied by some dramatic coughing....before the stretcher crew arrived.

[bobblehead]

After seeing the guys who couldn't muster up the strength to practice in the OTA's I am thinking we may have some real shockers on the final 53. Quarless seems to have "sat" his way out of a job unless he dominates TC. Worthy might have a long road to travel as well. I can't see them giving up on Perry yet, he has flashed and he was a 1st. Right now, Worthy is looking to be my :shock: WTF!! cut.

[bobblehead]

PS...everyone who had Franklin on the 53 is officially wrong.

[Brandon494]

PS...everyone who had Franklin on the 53 is officially wrong.

Well here is my updated version...

QB Rodgers, Flynn
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris,
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis, Jeff Janis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Colt
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley, Taylor
DE Jones, Daniels, Thornton, Worthy
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Hubbard
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush
CB/S Hyde
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

[smuggler]

Did they ever explain what happened? Did he do it between practices, or right after he signed to their roster celebrating?

Or was the original injury just in pre-camp training.

He tore his ACL while with the Packers. Neither the Packers at the time of the knee injury nor Browns during their signing physical knew this until he had another evaluation during the preseason.

[smuggler]

Whoops

[vince]

Well here is my updated version...

QB Rodgers, Flynn
RB Lacy, Starks, Harris,
FB Kuhn
WR Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Boykin, Abbrederis, Jeff Janis
TE Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers, Colt
T Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Barclay, Sherrod
G/C Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Linsley, Taylor
DE Jones, Daniels, Thornton, Worthy
NT Raji, Boyd
DE/OLB Peppers, Neal
OLB Matthews, Perry, Bradford, Hubbard
ILB Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington
CB Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush
CB/S Hyde
S Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson
ST Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Solid. A couple guys might need to fill out/develop there yet but other than that it's tough to see many holes...
Get healthy Perry, Worthy and Matthews.
The TE's are unproven but I could see every one of the three guys listed behind Quarless being better than him sooner than later.
I think Harper (if his hammy doesn't continue to flare) and Mulumba are gonna stick but if they don't that's probably a good thing because it means the white rook receivers and Hubbard will have impressed Thompson and coaches.
Barclay is being worked inside and out which might open up a spot somewhere else - like Taylor who is a solid STer maybe.
Please step up Datone Jones.

[Joemailman]

QB (2) Rodgers, Flynn
RB (5) Lacy, Starks, Harris, Perkins, Kuhn
WR (6) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, White, Dorsey
TE (4) Bostick, Quarless, Rodgers, Taylor
OL (8) Linsley, Tretter, Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Sherrod, Barclay
DL (6) Boyd, Jones, Thornton, Daniels, Guion, Raji
OLB (6) Bradford, Matthews, Mulumba, Perry, Neal, Peppers
ILB (4) Barrington, Hawk, Brad Jones, Lattimore
CB (5) Bush, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams
S (4) Hyde, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

PUP: Worthy
IR: Abbrederis

PS: Gerhart, Goodson, Pennel, Doughty, Thomas, Rajion Neal, Perillo, Rettig

[Carolina_Packer]

QB (2) Rodgers, Flynn
RB (5) Lacy, Starks, Harris, Perkins, Kuhn
WR (6) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, White, Dorsey
TE (4) Bostick, Quarless, Rodgers, Taylor
OL (8) Linsley, Tretter, Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Sherrod, Barclay
DL (6) Boyd, Jones, Thornton, Daniels, Guion, Raji
OLB (6) Bradford, Matthews, Mulumba, Perry, Neal, Peppers
ILB (4) Barrington, Hawk, Brad Jones, Lattimore
CB (5) Bush, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams
S (4) Hyde, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

PUP: Worthy
IR: Abbrederis

PS: Gerhart, Goodson, Pennel, Doughty, Thomas, Rajion Neal, Perillo, Rettig

I assume you're liking Perkins as a return man on special teams? I am interested to see him and Neal perform in the pre-season.

I noticed that Lyerla is not on any of your lists for team or practice squad. Did he get injured hurdling the guy during Family Night? IR, as for Abby, could prove to be a good "red shirt" type of a season for Colt; get some stability in his life. If he is OK injury-wise, I'd love to see what he can do in pre-season.

[Joemailman]

I assume you're liking Perkins as a return man on special teams? I am interested to see him and Neal perform in the pre-season.

I noticed that Lyerla is not on any of your lists for team or practice squad. Did he get injured hurdling the guy during Family Night? IR, as for Abby, could prove to be a good "red shirt" type of a season for Colt; get some stability in his life. If he is OK injury-wise, I'd love to see what he can do in pre-season.

Forgot about Lyerla. He'll be on PS if his injury doesn't put him on IR.

[texaspackerbacker]

QB (2) Rodgers, Flynn
RB (5) Lacy, Starks, Harris, Perkins, Kuhn
WR (6) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, White, Dorsey
TE (4) Bostick, Quarless, Rodgers, Taylor
OL (8) Linsley, Tretter, Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Sherrod, Barclay
DL (6) Boyd, Jones, Thornton, Daniels, Guion, Raji
OLB (6) Bradford, Matthews, Mulumba, Perry, Neal, Peppers
ILB (4) Barrington, Hawk, Brad Jones, Lattimore
CB (5) Bush, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams
S (4) Hyde, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

PUP: Worthy
IR: Abbrederis

PS: Gerhart, Goodson, Pennel, Doughty, Thomas, Rajion Neal, Perillo, Rettig

I like your latest version, especially the choice of WRs, and whatever the fate of Lyerla. I would add Stoneburner and subtract Guion. Somebody else is bound to end up on IR. If/when that happens, I think Tolzien slips in as a 3rd QB. I doubt Rettig even makes the PS. Ditto that for Gerhart if he is eligible. We always pick a few om other teams for the PS.

[bobblehead]

From things I read, and absolutely having nothing to do with my assessment, this Joe Thomas at ILB seems likely to make the 53.

[Guiness]

Forgot about Lyerla. He'll be on PS if his injury doesn't put him on IR.

I really don't see Lyerla making it to the PS. If he keeps his nose clean and the Packers cut him, someone else will claim him to have a look. Too many tools and potential to make it through waivers.

[Joemailman]

I really don't see Lyerla making it to the PS. If he keeps his nose clean and the Packers cut him, someone else will claim him to have a look. Too many tools and potential to make it through waivers.

Nobody wanted to touch him. I don't know that teams are going to change their mind just because he made it through training camp without getting into trouble.

[Carolina_Packer]

Nobody wanted to touch him. I don't know that teams are going to change their mind just because he made it through training camp without getting into trouble.

While an injury is never a good thing, the silver lining could be him getting a year on IR, rehabbing, getting immersed in the system and coming back to compete for a shot at the 53-man next year. If his injury is not serious, and they were to waive him, he likely wouldn't sign to someone else's PS at that point, and I don't think someone would take a chance of putting him on their 53-man roster.

I hope he sticks around somehow.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris (KR), John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Myles White
TE (4) Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor*
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL (5) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Nate Palmer
ILB (5) A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, Joe Thomas
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarret Bush
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde (PR), Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: WR Jared Abbrederis, TE Colt Lyerla
PS: RB Raijon Neal, TE Justin Perillo, OL John Fullington, DL Mike Pennel, OLB Jayrone Elliott, OLB Adrian Hubbard, ILB Jake Doughty, CB Demetri Goodson

*If Lyerla can return in 2 weeks, I still think he has a shot at a roster spot--because he can play STs and has more upside than Taylor or Stoneburner as a receiver. If he's out longer than 2 weeks, I think they'll try to stash him on IR or PS.

[run pMc]

I'd like to see them stash Lyerla on IR, let him heal up mentally & physically. Being away from football made him rusty. He's the most athletic TE they have.

[call_me_ishmael]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris (KR), John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Myles White
TE (4) Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor*
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL (5) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Carl Bradford, Nate Palmer
ILB (5) A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, Joe Thomas
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarret Bush
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde (PR), Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: WR Jared Abbrederis, TE Colt Lyerla
PS: RB Raijon Neal, TE Justin Perillo, OL John Fullington, DL Mike Pennel, OLB Jayrone Elliott, OLB Adrian Hubbard, ILB Jake Doughty, CB Demetri Goodson

*If Lyerla can return in 2 weeks, I still think he has a shot at a roster spot--because he can play STs and has more upside than Taylor or Stoneburner as a receiver. If he's out longer than 2 weeks, I think they'll try to stash him on IR or PS.

Is 5 DL typical? I could see a 6th DL and not keeping Banjo around. Otherwise, I think this is pretty spot on.

[Brandon494]

They won't keep 3 QBs and Janis will make the 53 let alone missing the PS completely. Also don't see Palmer making the 53 and they will keep more then 5 DL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Forgot About Janis. He was on my 53 previously. Put him on PS. I think they keep 3 QBs this year. Flynn gets one year before Tolzien takes over next year. Five is light on DL, but I think they'll go with the best 53 at cut time and then look to add DL from another team. Hard for Worthy and Guion to win spots if they don't play. I thought about Pennel over Thomas, but Moss seems to really like Thomas. I also thought about Elliott over Palmer, but Palmer appears to be on most of the #1 ST units. He might be a better bet than I thought originally.

[Brandon494]

Forgot About Janis. He was on my 53 previously. Put him on PS. I think they keep 3 QBs this year. Flynn gets one year before Tolzien takes over next year. Five is light on DL, but I think they'll go with the best 53 at cut time and then look to add DL from another team. Hard for Worthy and Guion to win spots if they don't play. I thought about Pennel over Thomas, but Moss seems to really like Thomas. I also thought about Elliott over Palmer, but Palmer appears to be on most of the #1 ST units. He might be a better bet than I thought originally.

Why do we need Tolzien to take over for Flynn next year? Flynn is only 2 years older and Tolzien seems to be struggling so far in training camp. I still think Janis will make it over White, Dorsey, and Harper who have all been inconsistent. Also don't think they will IR Colt for just a knee sprain, he should be back this preseason. You also don't need to take out Thomas to add another DL when you keep 2 QBs.

[Brandon494]

I want to make a 53 but someone keeps getting injured so I'll wait a few days before final cuts to make my prediction.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Is 5 DL typical? I could see a 6th DL and not keeping Banjo around.
Agreed, Banjo had his 15 minutes of fame last summer. He might get on a roster somewhere. Sean Richardson is the new It player.

[Joemailman]

5 DL would be unusual, but you also have Peppers who can, and probably will play some DE. I think they will keep Worthy, either on the 53 or PUP.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I want to make a 53 but someone keeps getting injured so I'll wait a few days before final cuts to make my prediction.

Thanks for the update, will check back to this thread later.


ps. What would your hero say? "I'm not so sure if I can beat Frazier, give me a couple days to think on it." or "I'm gonna killa the gorilla in Manilla."

[Brandon494]

I wouldn't call Ali my hero but I think we all know what he would say.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Banjo is on most of the #1 STs units, so I'm not ready to write him off yet.

[3irty1]

The cross training on this roster right now makes it easier to keep your best 53. With Peppers and Neal as DE/LB hybrids I think you can get away with just 5 DL until Worthy comes off the pup. Hyde as a CB/S hybrid makes the secondary battle more interesting because it could be Goodson vs Banjo vs the field for just 1 spot in the secondary. The two best battles in camp are the 5th WR and the 6th OLB.

My current favorite for 5th WR is Dorsey. He seems to be on every special teams unit and I personally find him more intriguing than the others because he's so unmeasured. His terrible college situation masked whatever talent he's got which makes him more interesting to me than the guys with clear flaws as athletes or guys who are super raw. My current favorite for 6th OLB is Mulumba. He's only been playing football for 7 years so I can only imagine the big step he took last year isn't his first or last. Elliott seems like a practice squad guy. Good player but lacks the upside of Mulumba or Hubbard. Hubbard is probably one of our better OLB's in coverage so I hope he shows enough instincts and versatility to get reps at ILB. That would be exciting. I don't see him being able to outperform Mulumba as a pass rusher.

[Guiness]

Why do we need Tolzien to take over for Flynn next year? Flynn is only 2 years older and Tolzien seems to be struggling so far in training camp. I still think Janis will make it over White, Dorsey, and Harper who have all been inconsistent. Also don't think they will IR Colt for just a knee sprain, he should be back this preseason. You also don't need to take out Thomas to add another DL when you keep 2 QBs.

Been wondering about that myself. It's not like you're grooming a successor to Rodgers. All they need is a a backup, so I think Tolzien has to beat Flynn outright if he wants the job. Unless they think Tolzien has 'potential' and they think in a year or two they can parlay him into a draft pick in a trade or as compensatory pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Been wondering about that myself. It's not like you're grooming a successor to Rodgers. All they need is a a backup, so I think Tolzien has to beat Flynn outright if he wants the job. Unless they think Tolzien has 'potential' and they think in a year or two they can parlay him into a draft pick in a trade or as compensatory pick.

I think Flynn is what he is. He's had a lot of experience, and he's been in this offense for a long time. He's not going to get much better. Tolzien doesn't have a lot of experience. It may take him another year before he is better than Flynn and is a viable backup, but I think they see more upside in him. After last year, I think they are more apt to keep three QBs. I could definitely see him getting cut though, if he shows little progression this preseason.

[3irty1]

QB (2) Rodgers, Flynn
RB (4) Lacy, Harris, Starks, Kuhn
WR (6) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Dorsey, White
TE (3) Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers
OL (9) Bakhtiari, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bulaga, Sherrod, Linsley, Fullington, Taylor
DL (5) Daniels, Raji, Jones, Boyd, Thornton
LB (11) Matthews, Peppers, Hawk, Jones, Neal, Perry, Bradford, Lattimore, Mulumba, Barrington, Hubbard
CB (6) Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Bush, Goodson
S (4) Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

IR: WR Abbrederis, OL Barclay
PUP: DL Worthy, DL Guion

[Guiness]

QB (2) Rodgers, Flynn
RB (4) Lacy, Harris, Starks, Kuhn
WR (6) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Dorsey, White
TE (3) Quarless, Bostick, Rodgers
OL (9) Bakhtiari, Sitton, Tretter, Lang, Bulaga, Sherrod, Linsley, Fullington, Taylor
DL (5) Daniels, Raji, Jones, Boyd, Thornton
LB (11) Matthews, Peppers, Hawk, Jones, Neal, Perry, Bradford, Lattimore, Mulumba, Barrington, Hubbard
CB (6) Shields, Williams, Hayward, House, Bush, Goodson
S (4) Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode

IR: WR Abbrederis, OL Barclay
PUP: DL Worthy, DL Guion

Finally someone who thinks White will stick around :-0

I doubt they'd go with just 3 TEs though.

[3irty1]

Finally someone who thinks White will stick around :-0

I doubt they'd go with just 3 TEs though.

White's strength is in the slot where the WR group is thinnest, I think that gives him an inside edge. Taylor has contributed so little outside of special teams that he's barely a TE. With all the LB's I kept I decided he was disposable.

[HarveyWallbangers]

White's strength is in the slot where the WR group is thinnest, I think that gives him an inside edge. Taylor has contributed so little outside of special teams that he's barely a TE. With all the LB's I kept I decided he was disposable.

I agree on White, and tend to agree on Taylor. I still think if Lyerla gets back in two weeks (like some reports say), that may be enough for him to stick. More upside and Lyerla has experience playing STs. I think it's a tossup on Taylor vs. Stoneburner, but I think Taylor has been on most of the #1 STs units still (but not all). Until I start hearing about Stoneburner playing more on the #1 STs units, I think Taylor has the edge.

[Guiness]

White's strength is in the slot where the WR group is thinnest, I think that gives him an inside edge. Taylor has contributed so little outside of special teams that he's barely a TE. With all the LB's I kept I decided he was disposable.

I was thinking that as well, but maybe not always? For ST purposes, 4-3 LBs and TEs are similar, but when you get some of the larger OLBs (converted DEs like Neale) they aren't going to run as well as the H-back types.

[Brandon494]

Not to sound like a dick but its funny to me how many people are leaving Janis off the 53. I would be VERY shocked if he doesn't make the team IMO.

[Joemailman]

Not to sound like a dick but its funny to me how many people are leaving Janis off the 53. I would be VERY shocked if he doesn't make the team IMO.

I think it's a coin flip. Since Thompson has been here, about half of the 7th round picks have made the team. Maybe Janis is more talented than some 7th round picks, but he's trying to make it at a position where there is pretty good depth. I think you have Harper, Janis, Dorsey and White fighting for the last 2 WR spots.

[pbmax]

Not to sound like a dick but its funny to me how many people are leaving Janis off the 53. I would be VERY shocked if he doesn't make the team IMO.

You can't make the team from the hot tub. Or the communicable disease isolation tent.

[Pugger]

You can't make the team from the hot tub. Or the communicable disease isolation tent.

I heard he had a nice practice yesterday.

[3irty1]

What makes you think Jeff Janis has any better of a shot at making the 53 than Charles Johnson did last season? Is there reason to think he's head and shoulders better than the rest of the field competing for that 5th WR position?

[Brandon494]

What makes you think Jeff Janis has any better of a shot at making the 53 than Charles Johnson did last season? Is there reason to think he's head and shoulders better than the rest of the field competing for that 5th WR position?

Because I said so! :taunt:

You know I don't hype up a player without good reason.

Of all the receivers he is most likely the most physically gifted and seems to be a guy who character finds right in with the team. Also don't think Ted is wasting a pick on him if he felt comfortable with those other guys. Of course it is just my opinion but my record on calling talent when I see it speaks for itself. :-)

[Patler]

What makes you think Jeff Janis has any better of a shot at making the 53 than Charles Johnson did last season? Is there reason to think he's head and shoulders better than the rest of the field competing for that 5th WR position?

I thought Johnson had a good shot at making the team, until he missed all but one day of OTAs and minicamps and 3 weeks of training camp. With only two weeks of practice, he had virtually no chance of making the 53 man roster to start the season.

Janis was a more dominating performer his last two seasons at Saginaw Valley (189/3207/31) than Johnson was at Grand Valley (128/2229/31), for whatever that means.

[Guiness]

I thought Johnson had a good shot at making the team, until he missed all but one day of OTAs and minicamps and 3 weeks of training camp. With only two weeks of practice, he had virtually no chance of making the 53 man roster to start the season.

Janis was a more dominating performer his last two seasons at Saginaw Valley (189/3207/31) than Johnson was at Grand Valley (128/2229/31), for whatever that means.

Which one showed up for the big rivalry game against the Colorado School of Mines?

[run pMc]

I think Lyerla is done. Best chance he has is either a PS spot or getting signed by another team. From reports I read he just started to shake off the rust, but came to camp a little heavy at 260 and didn't distinguish himself from the other UDFA TE (Perillo). Unless he comes back and lights the world on fire, Colt is not going to be on the roster.

As for Janis, he's just started practicing so it's hard to say. Great physical skills & production at a lower division, but the jury's out on whether he can adjust. If he can play ST he'll get a spot. I think he has a lot of ground to make up to catch White and Dorsey. He's another candidate for the PS IMO. He's a R7 pick, it's not like they are cutting a higher pick like Brohm.

The TE competition is gonna be fun to watch, same with backup QB, #3 RB, #3-6 WRs, and the backup OLBs.

[vince]

QB Rodgers Flynn
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis Harper
TE Rodgers Bostick Quarless Taylor
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry Bradford
OLB Matthews Mulumba Thomas
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

PS Neal Perillo Rettig Fullington Elliott Pennel Goodson Hubbard
IR Lyerla Abbrederis

[run pMc]

QB Rodgers Flynn
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis Harper
TE Rodgers Bostick Quarless Taylor
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry Bradford
OLB Matthews Mulumba Thomas
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

PS Neal Perillo Rettig Fullington Elliott Pennel Goodson Hubbard
IR Lyerla Abbrederis

Pretty good cut.

I think Janis goes to PS and the WRs that make it are Myles White and Kevin Dorsey. If people think Nate Palmer (a R6 pick) is good as gone, there shouldn't be any problem with GB cutting Janis and signing him to the PS. Also, I like Harper but it sounds like he's inconsistent and a PS possibility. Dorsey is on top ST units and according to camp reports White is turning heads playing out of the slot.

I'm not sure they will keep 5 S, even if Hyde can play either S or CB. I wonder if they'll carry another OL instead.

[Zool]

If Linsley is as good as advertised at LS, Goode is probably "good" as gone. That opens up another spot somewhere.

[vince]

Pretty good cut.

I think Janis goes to PS and the WRs that make it are Myles White and Kevin Dorsey. If people think Nate Palmer (a R6 pick) is good as gone, there shouldn't be any problem with GB cutting Janis and signing him to the PS. Also, I like Harper but it sounds like he's inconsistent and a PS possibility. Dorsey is on top ST units and according to camp reports White is turning heads playing out of the slot.

I'm not sure they will keep 5 S, even if Hyde can play either S or CB. I wonder if they'll carry another OL instead.
Not a lot to go on with Janis but his size, speed combo and early flashes in OTA's and camp already lead me to believe it'd be risky to try to get him on the practice squad.

Dorsey is getting special teams opportunities but I'm discounting that due to McCarthy's philosophy that everyone gets their opportunities, especially 2nd year guys from whom they're looking to see that jump.... It's early in camp and a ton more guys will be rotating through and getting looks on special teams before any spots are earned or decisions made...

I don't like White mainly because he's practically worthless on special teams and unless Cobb is down he's useless. The only outside hope for him would be as a punt returner and he's been dropping them with regularity when he's had the opportunities.

I think Harper will end up showing the most complete game to play all receiver positions if injuries dictate as well as contribute on special teams to help him make the team but admittedly the reports of one or two drops don't help.

One of them will probably separate between now and cut-down time. It's a toss-up but I'm picking Harper still.

In the offseason it seemed like it'd be hard to get to 53 but with Worthy seemingly headed for PUP or IR, Barclay going down for the year, and a couple other contenders going down it seems like it's kind of working itself out. Other than at the linebacker positions (Mulumba / Palmer / Hubbard/ a couple other potential gems TT has unearthed), WR (which is a bit less crowded for the 2 spots without Abby), and maybe running back (if a guy like Neal flashes in preseason and they decide he's too good to risk getting to the PS), unless someone comes out of nowhere, I'm not seeing a ton of tough decisions.

[Brandon494]

Not a lot to go on with Janis but his size, speed combo and early flashes in OTA's and camp already lead me to believe it'd be risky to try to get him on the practice squad.

Dorsey is getting special teams opportunities but I'm discounting that due to McCarthy's philosophy that everyone gets their opportunities, especially 2nd year guys from whom they're looking to see that jump.... It's early in camp and a ton more guys will be rotating through and getting looks on special teams before any spots are earned or decisions made...

I don't like White mainly because he's practically worthless on special teams and unless Cobb is down he's useless. The only outside hope for him would be as a punt returner and he's been dropping them with regularity when he's had the opportunities.

I think Harper will end up showing the most complete game to play all receiver positions if injuries dictate as well as contribute on special teams to help him make the team but admittedly the reports of one or two drops don't help.

One of them will probably separate between now and cut-down time. It's a toss-up but I'm picking Harper still.

In the offseason it seemed like it'd be hard to get to 53 but with Worthy seemingly headed for PUP or IR, Barclay going down for the year, and a couple other contenders going down it seems like it's kind of working itself out. Other than at the linebacker positions (Mulumba / Palmer / Hubbard/ a couple other potential gems TT has unearthed), WR (which is a bit less crowded for the 2 spots without Abby), and maybe running back (if a guy like Neal flashes in preseason and they decide he's too good to risk getting to the PS), unless someone comes out of nowhere, I'm not seeing a ton of tough decisions.

Nice read and I almost agree 100% but I'm picking Janis because TT knows he won't last on the practice squad and I think hes better then Harper to be honest. Harper looks like a beast but hes not that good of a football player. I also think Janis could add to the return game similar to Nelson early in his career, I heard he looked good catching punts during OTAs.

[Joemailman]

If Janis can return punts, that would certainly improve his chances. Looks like Myles White is failing there.

[wist43]

Don't think Janis would survive waivers to make it to the PS.

I would definitely like to see Worthy stick with the team, b/c I want a guy like him to play DE in the base. Since he seems to have no potential beyond eating up snaps, stick him in the base, and keep guys like Daniels fresh for subpackage duty.

Don't want to see Daniels, D. Jones, or Perry playing in base at all.

[vince]

Nice read and I almost agree 100% but I'm picking Janis because TT knows he won't last on the practice squad and I think hes better then Harper to be honest. Harper looks like a beast but hes not that good of a football player. I also think Janis could add to the return game similar to Nelson early in his career, I heard he looked good catching punts during OTAs.
I got Janis and Harper making it. Janis would be a great kickoff guy - even thought those seem to be kind of obsolete with the new kickoff rules. Maybe strategies will change toward higher kickoffs to pin teams back but the safe thing is obviously to boot it through the endzone. I'd love to see a punt returner with more quicks than long speed though the ability to reliably field the punt obviously comes first. Other than Cobb I'm not sure we have that ideal guy for punt returns. Haven't heard anything of Harris fielding punts but he'd potentially be a beast for gunners to corral on punts.

[Patler]

I had hopes for Harper, and he seemed to do well in the minicamps. But since the start of TC, he seems to hit the "Thumbs Down" lists every couple days. With the competition at WR, that won't make it. He needs to turn it around quickly.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (3) - Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) - Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (6) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Myles White, Jeff Janis
TE (4) - Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) - David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Carl Bradford, Nate Palmer
ILB (4) - A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (5) - Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (4) - Morgan Burnett, Mycah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Keep 3 QB, 4 RB, 6 WR, 4 TE, 6 DL, 7 OLB, 6 CB, or 5 S? The Packers can keep any extra guy at 4 of those positions, and it's hard to see how it will shake out. There are some guys I like (Rajion Neal at RB, Jayrone Elliott at OLB, Jumal Rolle at CB, Chris Banjo at S) that they may keep, depending on what positions they decide to stock.

[Joemailman]

QB (3) - Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) - Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (6) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Myles White, Jeff Janis
TE (4) - Brandon Bostick, Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) - David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Carl Bradford, Nate Palmer
ILB (4) - A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (5) - Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (4) - Morgan Burnett, Mycah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Keep 3 QB, 4 RB, 6 WR, 4 TE, 6 DL, 7 OLB, 6 CB, or 5 S? The Packers can keep any extra guy at 4 of those positions, and it's hard to see how it will shake out. There are some guys I like (Rajion Neal at RB, Jayrone Elliott at OLB, Jumal Rolle at CB, Chris Banjo at S) that they may keep, depending on what positions they decide to stock.

I think Pennel is PS. They can get by with 5 DL until Worthy and Guion are ready. That spot goes to either Rajion Neal, Rolle or Banjo. Mulumba vs. Palmer is also to be decided.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Pennel is PS. They can get by with 5 DL until Worthy and Guion are ready. That spot goes to either Rajion Neal, Rolle or Banjo. Mulumba vs. Palmer is also to be decided.

I agree that Guion could come back and win the spot. I think they need to keep one or the other though. They need somebody with size to backup up Raji.

I think Palmer has a good margin on Mulumba... mostly because he's better on special teams.

Recent camp reports had Jayrone Elliott playing well lately, and I was more impressed with him vs. Tennessee than Mulumba. I think Mulumba is this year's Dezman Moses.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Mulumba is this year's Clinton-Dix in that they both have lean builds and big shoulders, they look tough, like they're gonna take somebody's head off or at least steal their lunch money.

http://cdn3.volusion.com/tvfbw.ukbgm/v/vspfiles/photos/1622-2.jpg
http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2014/05-may/140516-clinton-dix-300.jpg

I think the packers can use a couple bad asses on defense. Mulumba is a project, I expect he gets another year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

With Peppers, Matthews, Neal, Perry, and Palmer (plays on a lot of #1 special teams), there isn't room for more than one project at that position. I suspect Bradford will be the project at that spot. I'd rather they keep a project like Rolle at CB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

McGinn has an updated roster projection. I think he's pretty spot on here:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-roster-looks-deep-mostly-settled-b99330488z1-271343571.html

I can't really quibble with anything--other than having "Ray Barrington" instead of "Sam Barrington".

I agree with his assessment at WR (although you'd think Boykin would be a lock), TE (he has Bostick and Rodgers as 1a and 1b), OL, QB, RB, DL, and DB. He has Barrington moving ahead of Lattimore. I did think Barrington had a better game against Tennessee. He seems a bit higher on Hubbard than me (on the fence vs. longshot). He thinks both Palmer and Mulumba struggled against Tennessee. I've kept Palmer on the roster because he's on a lot of special teams units. He calls the OLB group remarkable. With so much depth and some talent that might get cut, I wonder if we'll see a trade at the position.

[Bretsky]

Interesting Note on one of the perceived reaches in round 3

Overview: It's possible the Packers did as well 30 minutes after the draft as they did in the third round. Pennel, Robinson and Gray all have performed at or above the level of Thornton, the third-round pick.

Thornton had a rough debut against the Titans in terms of aggressiveness, awareness and point-of-attack strength. His $563,252 signing bonus guarantees a roster berth, but after three weeks there's little indication he can contribute much as a rookie.

[bobblehead]

Interesting Note on one of the perceived reaches in round 3

Overview: It's possible the Packers did as well 30 minutes after the draft as they did in the third round. Pennel, Robinson and Gray all have performed at or above the level of Thornton, the third-round pick.

Thornton had a rough debut against the Titans in terms of aggressiveness, awareness and point-of-attack strength. His $563,252 signing bonus guarantees a roster berth, but after three weeks there's little indication he can contribute much as a rookie.


McGinn is pissed because Thornton wasn't in his top 100 and it cost him the contest that he won 3 years in a row.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked the way Thornton played against Tennessee. I thought he was better than Robinson--who played alongside him much of the game. The guy looks like he has good potential, and I wasn't even enamored with the pick. They also said that he was more of a projection pick and needed some seasoning. I thought he looked quite similar to Josh Boyd.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Interesting Note on one of the perceived reaches in round 3

Did McGinn have anything positive to say in the article?

[Joemailman]

Last year people at this time were saying similar things about Boyd. He did nothing of consequence in the preseason. Nothing. Yet late in the year he was playing and had some pretty good moments.

At least B hasn't started calling Thornton Carrie yet.

[Bretsky]

Last year people at this time were saying similar things about Boyd. He did nothing of consequence in the preseason. Nothing. Yet late in the year he was playing and had some pretty good moments.

At least B hasn't started calling Thornton Carrie yet.



I've been very nice to TT the past few years; as I promised I didn't even rip him and often defended him for the 2 years after he brought home a Super Bowl.

He has the best QB in the NFL who rarely mucks up with bad mistakes. The time has come for TT to deliver again or the time will really come for us to start calling him out for why he's not delivering ;)

[Joemailman]

I've been very nice to TT the past few years; as I promised I didn't even rip him and often defended him for the 2 years after he brought home a Super Bowl.

He has the best QB in the NFL who rarely mucks up with bad mistakes. The time has come for TT to deliver again or the time will really come for us to start calling him out for why he's not delivering ;)

The 2011 and 2012 drafts weren't very good. I think TT rebounded in a big way in 2013 though. Could be 5 or more starters from that draft, including a stud in Lacy. That could be one of his best. Obviously too early to say much about 2014.

[smuggler]

Drafting is about being the least terrible.

[Joemailman]

QB (3) Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB (4) Lacy, Starks, Harris, Kuhn
WR (5) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Janis
TE (4) Bostick, Quarless, Rodgers, Taylor
OL (8) Linsley, Tretter, Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Sherrod, Taylor
DL (6) Boyd, Jones, Thornton, Daniels, Pennel, Raji
OLB (6) Bradford, Matthews, Elliott, Perry, Neal, Peppers
ILB (4) Barrington, Hawk, Brad Jones, Lattimore
CB (5) Bush, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams
S (5) Hyde, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson, Banjo
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode


IR: Abbrederis, Barclay, Lyerla

PUP: Guion

PS: Gerhart, Aaron Adams Goodson, Doughty, Thomas, Rajion Neal, Perillo, Dorsey*

*Not sure if Dorsey qualifies for PS.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (3) Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
RB (4) Lacy, Starks, Harris, Kuhn
WR (5) Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Janis
TE (4) Bostick, Quarless, Rodgers, Taylor
OL (8) Linsley, Tretter, Lang, Sitton, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Sherrod, Taylor
DL (6) Boyd, Jones, Thornton, Daniels, Pennel, Raji
OLB (6) Bradford, Matthews, Elliott, Perry, Neal, Peppers
ILB (4) Barrington, Hawk, Brad Jones, Lattimore
CB (5) Bush, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams
S (5) Hyde, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Richardson, Banjo
ST (3) Crosby, Masthay, Goode


IR: Abbrederis, Barclay, Lyerla

PUP: Guion

PS: Gerhart, Aaron Adams Goodson, Doughty, Thomas, Rajion Neal, Perillo, Dorsey*

*Not sure if Dorsey qualifies for PS.

I like this projection. I had kept Palmer on because of special teams, but I can't see them cutting a guy with Elliott's pass rush potential. I'm not sure Bradford deserves to stick, but he was a 4th round pick. Plus, if he can't play OLB, he still offers potential at ILB. It will be interesting to see how Guion performs. I'm guessing they'll give Pennel some snaps earlier in the game to see how he does against better competition. Rolle would be one of the tougher cuts for me. I know Harris had the fumble, but I liked the way he ran. I think this game actually helped his stock--since it looks like he's closer to where he was before the injury.

[Zool]

I am fully off the Perry Bandwagon. I still had a toe on there, but after seeing him look very average against the 2s and 3s this week, it wouldn't shock me at all if he were cut.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought Perry looked fine. Had some decent bull rushes and set a hard edge in the run game. If I get time to rewatch, I'll focus on him. He doesn't have the agility to get around the edge--like Clay. He does have a good bull rush and pushes the pocket and sets up other guys. I thought Daniels had a great game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

There's a step down from Clay & Peppers to Neal & Perry, but if you want to see anemic pass rush watch Palmer, Mulumba, & Bradford.

[smuggler]

I am pretty excited to see more of Jay Elliott in this next game. If he plays well again, he stands a decent chance of bumping Mulumba or perhaps Palmer.

[pbmax]

Mike McCartney ‏@MikeMcCartney7 3h
NFL supposedly going to increase Practice Squad from 8 to 10 players. That'll be good for the 64 additional players working.


This guy is usually pretty legit but I have not seen it elsewhere.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jayrone Elliott against good competition (Florida & Missouri):
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9619784
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9645691

Most of his sacks come via speed off the edge, but this was a nice play.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9883622

[Zool]

I thought Perry looked fine. Had some decent bull rushes and set a hard edge in the run game. If I get time to rewatch, I'll focus on him. He doesn't have the agility to get around the edge--like Clay. He does have a good bull rush and pushes the pocket and sets up other guys. I thought Daniels had a great game.

I was hoping to see him jump off the screen a bit against what should be inferior talent. He just doesn't and maybe he's peaked?

[texaspackerbacker]

The thing that bothers me just a little bit is that all of them, Perry, Peppers, even Jayrone did their best work from the Right OLB spot - where Clay plays most of the time. I'd love to see one of them show some bookend ability from the left side. However, it's still early, and I doubt the Packer D is giving anybody the real thing to have a film of.

[Pugger]

I thought Perry looked fine. Had some decent bull rushes and set a hard edge in the run game. If I get time to rewatch, I'll focus on him. He doesn't have the agility to get around the edge--like Clay. He does have a good bull rush and pushes the pocket and sets up other guys. I thought Daniels had a great game.

The game is going to be shown at 10 am EDT this morning on the NFLN.

[Joemailman]

The thing that bothers me just a little bit is that all of them, Perry, Peppers, even Jayrone did their best work from the Right OLB spot - where Clay plays most of the time. I'd love to see one of them show some bookend ability from the left side. However, it's still early, and I doubt the Packer D is giving anybody the real thing to have a film of.

I think Clay's been playing LOLB a lot this year. He's played there before, including 2010.

[Pugger]

The game is going to be shown at 10 am EDT this morning on the NFLN.

Edit: The NFLN website lied. The game is going to shown in the middle of the night later on. :-x

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Brandon Bostick, Andrew Quarless, Jake Stoneburner
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Andy Mulumba, Jayrone Elliott
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas, CB Jumal Rolle

*Being a 4th round pick, Bradford probably wouldn't clear waivers. If he's claimed, I'll give the spot to DL Carlos Gray. The Packers may think Bradford has a future at ILB though, so it wouldn't surprise if they kept him.

The other tough calls were Ryan Taylor vs. Stoneburner (or even Perillo) at TE and Elliott vs. Nate Palmer at OLB. The fact that other players have been getting reps on the top special teams units over Taylor and Palmer may mean these guys may not make it on their special teams abilities alone. A lot will depend on how some new guys do on special teams. I think Elliott will get his chance in the next game, but I really like his pass rush potential... even going back to the first preseason game. I watched a bit more of the last preseason game. I thought Mulumba and Lane Taylor had bounce back games and may have solidified their spots on the roster. I think Brad Jones has been quietly fantastic in the first two preseason games--while Lattimore has been a disappointment. He's had several coverage breakdowns. Barrington has had a good preseason.

[KYPack]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Brandon Bostick, Andrew Quarless, Jake Stoneburner
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Andy Mulumba, Jayrone Elliott
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas, CB Jumal Rolle

*Being a 4th round pick, Bradford probably wouldn't clear waivers. If he's claimed, I'll give the spot to DL Carlos Gray. The Packers may think Bradford has a future at ILB though, so it wouldn't surprise if they kept him.

The other tough calls were Ryan Taylor vs. Stoneburner (or even Perillo) at TE and Elliott vs. Nate Palmer at OLB. The fact that other players have been getting reps on the top special teams units over Taylor and Palmer may mean these guys may not make it on their special teams abilities alone. A lot will depend on how some new guys do on special teams. I think Elliott will get his chance in the next game, but I really like his pass rush potential... even going back to the first preseason game. I watched a bit more of the last preseason game. I thought Mulumba and Lane Taylor had bounce back games and may have solidified their spots on the roster. I think Brad Jones has been quietly fantastic in the first two preseason games--while Lattimore has been a disappointment. He's had several coverage breakdowns. Barrington has had a good preseason.

Solid analysis, Harve.

I'd like to see Ryan Taylor cut bc I'm sick of waiting for him to do something and I really don't see his ST skill set as being all that. We probably go 8 OL bc we don't have a 9th worth being on the roster. I feel sorry for Bradford, I think they asked him to do a job he couldn't handle and we may lose a good player over it. 3 QB's? probably. Both TT and M3 don't want to go thru last season's back-up QB nightmare. HH, Flynn is the back-up QB by a good margin.

I'd like a solid big back RB, Harris is such a mite I dunno if he can last another season, even as a back-up.

Agree on Brad Jones, he's many posters whipping boy, the guy has skills.

Lattimore better get going, I could see them picking up an ILB if one becomes available, there will be some out there.

[Patler]

While I think they might keep 3 QBs initially if the roster is healthy and they don't have 3 or 4 keepers who are unable to play, I think it is a waste of a roster spot when they start getting injuries. I know, I know, they needed 3 last year, but what are the chances that they will again? Only once in the last 22 years have they had to play their third QB. The chances of it happening again are small.

I doubt there will be much interest in either Flynn or Tolzien if they are waived. Nobody wants to bring in a cold QB after they have been working with others in their system all summer. What TT did last year was very unusual. Besides, Flynn has been a flop everywhere but GB, and there will be more experienced QBs than Tolzien who will be looking for work. The appeal with Tolzien last year was that he was practice squad eligible. That is gone for him now.

[Freak Out]

Most of his sacks come via speed off the edge, but this was a nice play.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9883622

Great reaction after jumping to bat down a ball.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The appeal with Tolzien last year was that he was practice squad eligible. That is gone for him now.

BTW, what's the point of having eligibility requirements for the practice squad? Why not just let anybody be eligible?

All I can think of is that the player's union hates the practice squad because it takes away real jobs with real good pay.

As a fan, I just want larger rosters so there is a better product on the field. Maybe less player movement. Practice squads help stabilize things in a small way

[Patler]

BTW, what's the point of having eligibility requirements for the practice squad? Why not just let anybody be eligible?

All I can think of is that the player's union hates the practice squad because it takes away real jobs with real good pay.

As a fan, I just want larger rosters so there is a better product on the field. Maybe less player movement. Practice squads help stabilize things in a small way

Since the player is free to sign with anyone either on a practice squad or a regular roster after he is released from a training camp roster; and since he is free to leaving the practice squad to go to any team's regular roster, there doesn't seem to be any good reason to limit eligibility, does there?

Maybe this is the league and union trying to have a decent apprenticeship program.

[vince]

QB Rodgers Flynn Tolzien
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis
TE Rodgers Quarless Taylor Stoneburner
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd, Pennel
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry
OLB Matthews Mulumba Elliott
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

Bostick to Temp IR
Banjo, Elliott, Mulumba, Stoneburner, Tolzien are last roster spots.
Maybe R. Neal makes the team but he'd probably pass through to PS at this point.
Bradford doesn't have the length so he has an uphill battle doing much against legit NFL tackles. A lot of people project him inside but I don't see enough raw potential there to hold a roster spot just to see if he might become serviceable down the road. TT doesn't give up on too many of his picks quickly though.
I agree that they will probably keep Tolzien because Rettig doesn't seem to have an NFL arm or accuracy which are pretty tough to develop.
That roster spot will likely never see the field so I'd prefer to hang on to Bradford or Palmer for ST (or Bostick if/when he gets healthy) but you never know when Rodgers may go down for a stretch. Rettig's ceiling looks like Matt Flynn but at least Flynn's a gamer. Rettig barely got in to kneel on it last game so my guess is they've seen enough.

[vince]

Big Week for Jumal Rolle's Chances to Make the Team (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-will-give-jumal-rolle-chances-against-raiders-b99334628z1-272104091.html)

also time for Bradford to put up or shut up
@TyDunne
Carl Bradford playing a bunch this practice. Guessing he gets a long look tomorrow. Big week for the fourth-round pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

QB Rodgers Flynn Tolzien
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis
TE Rodgers Quarless Taylor Stoneburner
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd, Pennel
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry
OLB Matthews Mulumba Elliott
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

Bostick to Temp IR
Banjo, Elliott, Mulumba, Stoneburner, Tolzien are last roster spots.
Maybe R. Neal makes the team but he'd probably pass through to PS at this point.
Bradford doesn't have the length so he has an uphill battle doing much against legit NFL tackles. A lot of people project him inside but I don't see enough raw potential there to hold a roster spot just to see if he might become serviceable down the road. TT doesn't give up on too many of his picks quickly though.
I agree that they will probably keep Tolzien because Rettig doesn't seem to have an NFL arm or accuracy which are pretty tough to develop.
That roster spot will likely never see the field so I'd prefer to hang on to Bradford or Palmer for ST (or Bostick if/when he gets healthy) but you never know when Rodgers may go down for a stretch. Rettig's ceiling looks like Matt Flynn but at least Flynn's a gamer. Rettig barely got in to kneel on it last game so my guess is they've seen enough.

Of the ones I've seen, this one comes the closest to what I'd pick. I'd also try hard to find a way to retain Adrian Howard - practice squad if possible, if not maybe cut Banjo.

I think I'd keep Bradford over Lattimore unless he plays his way off the team on Friday.

[Brandon494]

QB Rodgers Flynn Tolzien
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis
TE Rodgers Quarless Taylor Stoneburner
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd, Pennel
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry
OLB Matthews Mulumba Elliott
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

Bostick to Temp IR
Banjo, Elliott, Mulumba, Stoneburner, Tolzien are last roster spots.
Maybe R. Neal makes the team but he'd probably pass through to PS at this point.
Bradford doesn't have the length so he has an uphill battle doing much against legit NFL tackles. A lot of people project him inside but I don't see enough raw potential there to hold a roster spot just to see if he might become serviceable down the road. TT doesn't give up on too many of his picks quickly though.
I agree that they will probably keep Tolzien because Rettig doesn't seem to have an NFL arm or accuracy which are pretty tough to develop.
That roster spot will likely never see the field so I'd prefer to hang on to Bradford or Palmer for ST (or Bostick if/when he gets healthy) but you never know when Rodgers may go down for a stretch. Rettig's ceiling looks like Matt Flynn but at least Flynn's a gamer. Rettig barely got in to kneel on it last game so my guess is they've seen enough.


Nice 53, I agree with it 100%.

[vince]

I'd feel a lot better about the o-line with Barclay in there. Doesn't take much in this league to go from deep roster to shallow. That could be a place where we see a newcomer or two filling those 9th and 10th practice squad spots.

Also, I read some speculation that Perry may be on the trading block. Probably wouldn't get much value for him but that could make some sense... Palmer is serviceable at the bottom of the roster and is still seeing reps on 1st team ST's. I'd shudder to see Perry on special teams. He seems to have an attitude like he thinks he's above that. And with Matthews' and Neal's injury history and Peppers' age he could be a key contributor through the season.

Give Hubbard a year to bulk up that big frame with Elliott and another draft... I could see Perry's days numbered but it seems to me that should be a year away yet.

[run pMc]

QB Rodgers Flynn Tolzien
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis
TE Rodgers Quarless Taylor Stoneburner
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd, Pennel
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry
OLB Matthews Mulumba Elliott
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay

Bostick to Temp IR
Banjo, Elliott, Mulumba, Stoneburner, Tolzien are last roster spots.
Maybe R. Neal makes the team but he'd probably pass through to PS at this point.
Bradford doesn't have the length so he has an uphill battle doing much against legit NFL tackles. A lot of people project him inside but I don't see enough raw potential there to hold a roster spot just to see if he might become serviceable down the road. TT doesn't give up on too many of his picks quickly though.
I agree that they will probably keep Tolzien because Rettig doesn't seem to have an NFL arm or accuracy which are pretty tough to develop.
That roster spot will likely never see the field so I'd prefer to hang on to Bradford or Palmer for ST (or Bostick if/when he gets healthy) but you never know when Rodgers may go down for a stretch. Rettig's ceiling looks like Matt Flynn but at least Flynn's a gamer. Rettig barely got in to kneel on it last game so my guess is they've seen enough.

Yeah, I think this is right, give or take 1-2 people (i.e., they go with 2 QB's, or swap Perillo for Stoneburner), but I think this is what it will look like. If Harris can hang onto the football he's got a spot locked up.

My guess for the PS 10: Rolle, Goodson, Bradford, Thomas, Dorsey, White, Vujnovich, Fullington, A.Adams, and Luther Robinson.

[Carolina_Packer]

Would it be a bit of a fail on both the players (mostly) part and the team's part if Bradford didn't make the roster as a 4th rounder? Don't get me wrong, TT is not going to pull a Sherman and keep a guy on the roster just because he was drafted high (B.J. Sander, oy!), but there has to be a bit disappointment in evaluation when it turns out that you "over drafted" a player, with the possibility of keeping him to prove a point when someone else might have clearly beaten him out.

[Fritz]

I'd feel a lot better about the o-line with Barclay in there. Doesn't take much in this league to go from deep roster to shallow. That could be a place where we see a newcomer or two filling those 9th and 10th practice squad spots.

Also, I read some speculation that Perry may be on the trading block. Probably wouldn't get much value for him but that could make some sense... Palmer is serviceable at the bottom of the roster and is still seeing reps on 1st team ST's. I'd shudder to see Perry on special teams. He seems to have an attitude like he thinks he's above that. And with Matthews' and Neal's injury history and Peppers' age he could be a key contributor through the season.

Give Hubbard a year to bulk up that big frame with Elliott and another draft... I could see Perry's days numbered but it seems to me that should be a year away yet.


Vince, I'm curious as to where you heard or read about Perry's bad attitude. I've seen this mentioned before, but I've seen no real proof that he's got a bad attitude. In fact, Clay Matthews came out a couple months ago, I think, and said Perry shouldn't have been playing at the end of the last season with the injury he had, but that the dude gutted it out.

I wonder if Perry is getting a bad rap.

[smuggler]

AARON RODGERS
SCOTT TOLZIEN
PS: CHASE RETTIG

EDDIE LACY
JAMES STARKS
DUJUAN HARRIS
JOHN KUHN
PS: RAJION NEAL
PS: MIKE HILL

JORDY NELSON
RANDALL COBB
JARRETT BOYKIN
DAVANTE ADAMS
JEFF JANIS
KEVIN DORSEY
PS: CHRIS HARPER
IR: JARED ABBREDERIS

RICHARD RODGERS
ANDREW QUARLESS
BRANDON BOSTICK
RYAN TAYLOR
PS: JUSTIN PERILLO
IR: COLT LYERLA

DAVID BAKHTIARI
JOSH SITTON
JC TRETTER
TJ LANG
BRYAN BULAGA
DEREK SHERROD
LANE TAYLOR
COREY LINSLEY
PS: AARON ADAMS
IR: DON BARCLAY

BJ RAJI
MIKE PENNEL
NFI: LETROY GUION

MIKE DANIELS
DATONE JONES
JOSH BOYD
KHYRI THORNTON

CLAY MATTHEWS III
JULIUS PEPPERS
MIKE NEAL
NICK PERRY
JAY ELLIOTT
ANDY MULUMBA
PS: CARL BRADFORD
PS: ADRIAN HUBBARD

AJ HAWK
BRAD JONES
JAMARI LATTIMORE
SAM BARRINGTON
PS: JOE THOMAS

TRAMON WILLIAMS
SAM SHIELDS
CASEY HAYWARD
DAVON HOUSE
JUMAL ROLLE
PS: DEMETRI GOODSON

MICAH HYDE
MORGAN BURNETT
HASEAN CLINTON-DIX
SEAN RICHARDSON
CHRIS BANJO

MASON CROSBY
TIM MASTHAY
BRETT GOODE

If they want to keep Flynn, then Dorsey would go to PS and Rettig is SOL.

[bobblehead]

I prefer to wait with my commentary and simply second guess TT after the fact.

[pbmax]

I prefer to wait with my commentary and simply second guess TT after the fact.

You sure you are not a professional columnist like Cleft Crusty.

[vince]

Vince, I'm curious as to where you heard or read about Perry's bad attitude. I've seen this mentioned before, but I've seen no real proof that he's got a bad attitude. In fact, Clay Matthews came out a couple months ago, I think, and said Perry shouldn't have been playing at the end of the last season with the injury he had, but that the dude gutted it out.

I wonder if Perry is getting a bad rap.
I think Perry can play but his attitude questions go back to when he was drafted, saying he didn't want to play outside backer. As a rookie coming into the league, it just strikes me as having too much of a sense of entitlement to feel like you're justified to be telling teams what you want to play and what you don't. A rookie coming into the league should have the opposite attitude in my opinion. They should be thrilled to be a part of a team and want to do whatever is asked of them to contribute to the team's success. Old fashioned maybe but just my opinion.

Then this offseason when Perry held himself out of OTA's exacerbated it. I'm saying that based on the coaches response to questions about his availability and his admission in a locker room interview on Packers.com about a month ago that yeah the coaches talked with him about the importance of participating but he felt like he had to do what's right for himself or something close to that. Voluntary or not, you choose not to do what the coaches think is best for the team - that's not the attitude I'm looking for if I'm a part of the Packers.

There's a bit of speculation in there for sure Fritz, but I'm just a guy spewing shit on a message board so I retain the right to speculate...

[HarveyWallbangers]

There hasn't been a public word of unhappiness from Perry since the draft, and even his comments leading up to and after the draft have been greatly exaggerated. I can't really blame the guy for saying he's a better fit in a 4-3 because I think he is. Nobody outside the clubhouse knows what went down in the offseason. Some reporters speculating based on a comment by McCarthy that could have meant a number of different things.

BTW, here's what Perry said after the draft:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/nick-perry-reflects-on-how-far-hes-come-v856jd2-149243245.html


Initially, Perry thought he might be more suited to play in a 4-3 defense, telling the Detroit News in February at the NFL combine, "I prefer a 4-3. I like to keep my hand in the dirt. But as long as I am rushing and getting to the quarterback, I am fine."

But the Packers play a 3-4, and Perry could play outside linebacker or line up next to B.J. Raji on the end if needed.

"You know what, I'm open-minded," Perry said Friday morning. "I was open-minded about this whole process. I knew I could get picked to a 3-4 team as well as a 4-3 team. I knew I could go anywhere and I don't have to adjust to anything. I felt like I had the ability, I have the skills to play in the 3-4 and I love the scheme that the Packers are in."

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (6) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla, B.J. Raji
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas

My last cut came down to S Chris Banjo vs. WR Kevin Dorsey. Tough call. I think Dorsey has the most potential amongst the group after the top 5. I'd like to keep him. My gut tells me Banjo has slightly more value on special teams--although Dorsey is getting a lot of run on special teams. Jumal Rolle gets the roster spot left open by B.J. Raji. I re-swapped Taylor for Stoneburner because they look similar enough on offense that Taylor's special teams abilities win him a roster spot.

[call_me_ishmael]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (6) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla, B.J. Raji
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas

My last cut came down to S Chris Banjo vs. WR Kevin Dorsey. Tough call. I think Dorsey has the most potential amongst the group after the top 5. I'd like to keep him. My gut tells me Banjo has slightly more value on special teams--although Dorsey is getting a lot of run on special teams. Jumal Rolle gets the roster spot left open by B.J. Raji. I re-swapped Taylor for Stoneburner because they look similar enough on offense that Taylor's special teams abilities win him a roster spot.

You've got 6 receivers but only 5 guys listed. Opposite with CBs. You've also got Raji on the roster and IR.

[call_me_ishmael]

Could the Packers cut the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders? Bob McGinn is arguing Thorton and Bradford don't deserve a spot on the roster. In his latest article, McGinn compares the tenancity, speed, style, etc of Boyd and Thorton and alleges that Thorton does not show up at all. Furthermore, McGinn is also saying that the battle between Rolle and Goodson is very heated. It sounds like Bob is high on Goodson but even higher on Rolle.

As of today, I think this will be the roster... A goofy TT roster as usual :)

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (7) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley
DL (6) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel, Luther Robinson
OLB (7) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Adrian Hubbard, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (7) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle, Something Goodson
S (4) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (2) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay

[smuggler]

Try again with an 8th lineman, ish

[HarveyWallbangers]

You've got 6 receivers but only 5 guys listed. Opposite with CBs. You've also got Raji on the roster and IR.

The number of WRs is off because I initially had Dorsey over Banjo, and forgot to change the WR number. I only have 53 players listed though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Could the Packers cut the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders? Bob McGinn is arguing Thorton and Bradford don't deserve a spot on the roster. In his latest article, McGinn compares the tenancity, speed, style, etc of Boyd and Thorton and alleges that Thorton does not show up at all. Furthermore, McGinn is also saying that the battle between Rolle and Goodson is very heated. It sounds like Bob is high on Goodson but even higher on Rolle.

I agree with McGinn's take on Bradford. At OLB he has physical limitations. He has done next to nothing and doesn't flash much potential. I disagree with him on Thornton. McGinn had this same take after the first two games. I saw enough to be intrigued by Thornton's potential. I haven't watched his play closely from the most recent game. I think you give a big guy with potential more time--especially when you aren't tremendously deep at the position (with Raji and Guion out). Goodson definitely made more plays in the most recent game, but Rolle looks to be a better athlete and he's more polished. I think Goodson is a candidate for the PS. I only list 8 guys because I'm not entirely clear on the new rule and I'm not positive which guys qualify for the extra two spots.

[vince]

There hasn't been a public word of unhappiness from Perry since the draft, and even his comments leading up to and after the draft have been greatly exaggerated. I can't really blame the guy for saying he's a better fit in a 4-3 because I think he is. Nobody outside the clubhouse knows what went down in the offseason. Some reporters speculating based on a comment by McCarthy that could have meant a number of different things.

BTW, here's what Perry said after the draft:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/nick-perry-reflects-on-how-far-hes-come-v856jd2-149243245.html
After he was drafted by a 3-4 team I'm not sure what else you could expect a guy to say. He's been diplomatic but I think the following quotes say a lot more than you're willing to read into them.

At the NFL Combine after gaining 20 pounds since declaring for the draft in what I'd say was a pretty blatant attempt to enhance his profile as a DE and reduce it as an OLB:

"Some people have a better edge getting off the ball with their hand in the dirt," said Perry. "I’ve been playing it a long time now, and I have experience in that. Being put further away from what you’re used to doing makes you a little uneasy."

If I'm about to get drafted, the last thing I'd be doing is talking about any kind of "uneasiness" about doing anything whatsoever a team may ask me to do to help their team succeed.

I also think there's little doubt that Winston Moss' OTA terse quote "Nick Perry in my book has done absolutely zero," combined with McCarthy's only slightly more measured statements at the time, spoke volumes about their perspective on his unwillingness to participate in OTA's.

It's speculation to read into it sure, but without getting into the logic of why both coaches may or may not have chosen to take a less confrontational public position on the subject of Nick Perry, my opinion is that it's no stretch to conclude the coaches weren't happy with his offseason approach.

As I said previously I think Perry can play, though he may be his own biggest problem.

[Joemailman]

I agree with McGinn's take on Bradford. At OLB he has physical limitations. He has done next to nothing and doesn't flash much potential. I disagree with him on Thornton. McGinn had this same take after the first two games. I saw enough to be intrigued by Thornton's potential. I haven't watched his play closely from the most recent game. I think you give a big guy with potential more time--especially when you aren't tremendously deep at the position (with Raji and Guion out). Goodson definitely made more plays in the most recent game, but Rolle looks to be a better athlete and he's more polished. I think Goodson is a candidate for the PS. I only list 8 guys because I'm not entirely clear on the new rule and I'm not positive which guys qualify for the extra two spots.

Late in McGinn's article, he praises Josh Boyd. In last year's training camp, Boyd was no more impressive than Thornton is this year. I remember Trgovac talking about how "Boyd is being asked to do some things he hasn't done before". Yet by late in the season, Boyd was a contributor, and he's now seen as a key member of the DL. I think they will give Thornton some time.

As for Bradford, I just don't think he can play OLB. As I mentioned in another thread, I saw him at practice Tuesday standing next to Clay Matthews, and the difference physically is striking. He looks even shorter than his listed height. The question is whether he can play ILB. The Packers tried moving Terrell Manning inside and it didn't work. If they feel Bradford can't play there, he's probably worthless.

[pbmax]

Could the Packers cut the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders? Bob McGinn is arguing Thorton and Bradford don't deserve a spot on the roster. In his latest article, McGinn compares the tenancity, speed, style, etc of Boyd and Thorton and alleges that Thorton does not show up at all. Furthermore, McGinn is also saying that the battle between Rolle and Goodson is very heated. It sounds like Bob is high on Goodson but even higher on Rolle.

As of today, I think this will be the roster... A goofy TT roster as usual :)


Bob is nuts if he thinks Thorton doesn't stick, even more after Raji. Boyd didn't look ready last year either. http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/observations-at-each-position-on-the-packers-roster-as-cutdown-time-looms


After Saturday's performance, it would be extremely difficult to part ways with Johnny Jolly. The bigger question might be, what does Jolly's emergence mean for rookie Josh Boyd? It's hard to see the Packers keeping both Jolly and Boyd. The Packers can try to stash Boyd on the practice squad, but once they cut him, they also risk another team signing him to their 53-man roster.

The Packers don't dump draft picks after one year unless you are Ricky Elmore. That is especially true of lineman.

Speaking of Elmore, Bradford might give him a run for his money in Packer lore. If they need a spot, he could be gone because he really doesn't have a position to project to.

[pbmax]

... At the NFL Combine after gaining 20 pounds since declaring for the draft in what I'd say was a pretty blatant attempt to enhance his profile as a DE and reduce it as an OLB:

"Some people have a better edge getting off the ball with their hand in the dirt," said Perry. "I’ve been playing it a long time now, and I have experience in that. Being put further away from what you’re used to doing makes you a little uneasy."

... I also think there's little doubt that Winston Moss' OTA terse quote "Nick Perry in my book has done absolutely zero," combined with McCarthy's only slightly more measured statements at the time, spoke volumes about their perspective on his unwillingness to participate in OTA's.



But now we have gone from attitude to draft prep. Perry, presumably was trying to get drafted as high as possible for maximum cash and he and his agent might have thought that DE was the best bet according to what teams were telling them. After the draft, Perry told the press the Packers were not concerned about the weight. He has since lost 5 of those extra pounds.

Moss came back to Wilde and told him that his words were misconstrued about Perry. He meant Perry would be starting off with a blank slate. No history or baggage would carry over to his new coach.

[Joemailman]

The thing that might get Bradford cut is the fact that he's not excelling on special teams. The packers were probably hoping for that if nothing else.

[vince]

I'm talking about his attitude based on the combination of his words and actions. My opinion is that he was trying his damndest to preclude teams from projecting him to OLB where he didn't want to play. He obviously felt it was the best thing for him or he wouldn't have done it. Sure he said he'll play anywhere as long as he's "rushing the quarterback."

I think he would have best served the team who drafted him to wait and confer with them before throwing 20 lbs on so quickly. That's not natural and probably didn't serve his health in the long-run or his agility as an OLB.

That said, I'm not uncomfortable with people defending Perry. I'm not overly inclined to attack him. I don't think he should be cut or traded or anything of the such by a longshot.

It's not a black-and-white situation and I'm inferring things based on the entirety of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing so I fully acknowledge there are many spots along the attitude spectrum between Bart Starr and Terrell Owens that people will place him on. He's in the middle somewhere. He puts forth a reasonable public persona for sure. All the information I'm processing leads me to believe there's as least a small flame causing the smoke.

[call_me_ishmael]

I would love it if Nick Perry would lose like 20 lbs. Not only would he be quicker, but I reckon he might stay healthy for a change.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I would love it if Nick Perry would lose like 20 lbs. Not only would he be quicker, but I reckon he might stay healthy for a change.

I don't know. His game is power. You might be right, but I'm skeptical.

[OS PA]

Edited Ish's roster a bit.

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (9) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Aaron Adams
DL (5) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel, Letroy Guion
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (6) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (4) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Guion is obviously going to be PUPed, which means a DL(Robinson or Gray), a TE(Perillo), or a LB(Hubbard or Bradford) could get his roster spot for the first six weeks. It'd be awfully nice if they could put him on the active roster before the end of the preseason so we didn't have to wait six-seven weeks for him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

After watching this last game closely, I don't think they'll PUP Guion, if he's healthy by the start of the season. Made a mistake having Raji inadvertently on the last roster. I also don't think Janis is ready to contribute. His route running needs a lot of work. Outside of his one catch and TD last week, he's done nothing. I actually think Dorsey is more ready to contribute. It might be more likely to get Dorsey on the practice squad though. I also thought Palmer flashed a little more than Mulumba. I think Palmer might be a better special teams player, so I'm projecting him with a spot. The Packers usually only activate 7 OL, so their 8th OL might come from the PS until Tretter gets back. Probably Adams.

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Letroy Guion, Mike Pennel, Khyri Thornton
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Nate Palmer
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (6) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (4) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla, B.J. Raji
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Kevin Dorsey, WR Myles White, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Andy Mulumba, LB Carl Bradford, LB Joe Thomas, S Chris Banjo

[pbmax]

I think he would have best served the team who drafted him to wait and confer with them before throwing 20 lbs on so quickly. That's not natural and probably didn't serve his health in the long-run or his agility as an OLB..

You're inferences are illogical. But the Packers have apparently not asked him to lose the weight. We knew all about Finley's preferred weight from both sides and he was a more high profile player looking for a contract. If Perry and the team were debating his weight, I think it likely would have made the news.

Serious question: did he actually gain 20 pounds after his last college year? There isn't much time to do that before a combine.

[Pugger]

Edited Ish's roster a bit.

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (9) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Aaron Adams
DL (5) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel, Letroy Guion
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (6) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (4) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Guion is obviously going to be PUPed, which means a DL(Robinson or Gray), a TE(Perillo), or a LB(Hubbard or Bradford) could get his roster spot for the first six weeks. It'd be awfully nice if they could put him on the active roster before the end of the preseason so we didn't have to wait six-seven weeks for him.

Guion practiced today so he can't be PUPed. His presence now after Raji's injury might end up being as big a FA pick up as Peppers.

[pbmax]

You're inferences are illogical. But the Packers have apparently not asked him to lose the weight. We knew all about Finley's preferred weight from both sides and he was a more high profile player looking for a contract. If Perry and the team were debating his weight, I think it likely would have made the news.

Serious question: did he actually gain 20 pounds after his last college year? There isn't much time to do that before a combine.

Sorry Vince. That should have said "Your inferences are logical". And the possessive form or you and not trying to claim you ARE an inference. :cnf:

[Guiness]

Goodson seems to have fallen off everyone's radar. Last few posters don't even have him making the PS while Rolle gets on the 53. I don't know about that, generally speaking the Packers find a way to get their draft picks onto the team. Bradford might be an exception though.

[Patler]

Practice squad would seem like the perfect spot for Goodson, who seems to be more than willing and not lacking in talent, but very inexperienced. But then when you consider that he is already 25 years old, you start to wonder if a year on PS and another year or two on PS and/or as a backup is really worth it over a younger guy.

[vince]

You're inferences are illogical. But the Packers have apparently not asked him to lose the weight. We knew all about Finley's preferred weight from both sides and he was a more high profile player looking for a contract. If Perry and the team were debating his weight, I think it likely would have made the news.

Serious question: did he actually gain 20 pounds after his last college year? There isn't much time to do that before a combine.
He's listed at 250 on his USC page, which I would think they'd tend to fluff higher for a defensive end... He's listed on his combine profile at 271, which I think would be very accurate. The Packers now list him at 265 as you said earlier PB.

In fairness, he could have gained some of the weight during his last year at USC. I do recall that he garnered attention when he weighed in surprisingly heavy at the combine though so he definitely made a concerted effort to put on weight pre-combine.

Can't answer the question as to the Packers preferred playing weight for him - though there's little question that health and agility in space have been issues 1 and 2 for him.

He's been playing opposite/with Neal with the 2's for the most part I believe backing up Matthews while Neal's been backing up Peppers at elephant. Elephant is probably Perry's best spot too, though I'd say he's better all-around at either spot at this point than the rest of the guys (after the top 4) on the outside. Assuming Elliott makes the squad there's another elephant-oriented guy who looks like liability in coverage/space against receiving TE's, slotmen and backs.

[Guiness]

Practice squad would seem like the perfect spot for Goodson, who seems to be more than willing and not lacking in talent, but very inexperienced. But then when you consider that he is already 25 years old, you start to wonder if a year on PS and another year or two on PS and/or as a backup is really worth it over a younger guy.

I brought that up earlier - he's a little long in the tooth to be considered for developmental spot. I imagine they'd want him to come along pretty quickly.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Goodson seems to have fallen off everyone's radar. Last few posters don't even have him making the PS while Rolle gets on the 53. I don't know about that, generally speaking the Packers find a way to get their draft picks onto the team. Bradford might be an exception though.

I'd agree if he were a 4th or 5th round pick, but it seems to me they are much more willing to cut late round picks and put them on the PS.

[KYPack]

Practice squad would seem like the perfect spot for Goodson, who seems to be more than willing and not lacking in talent, but very inexperienced. But then when you consider that he is already 25 years old, you start to wonder if a year on PS and another year or two on PS and/or as a backup is really worth it over a younger guy.

Great athlete, but greener than goose shit.

He got 180ed twice last game.

PS at best.

Maybe a year of NFL coaching might make him a candidate for 15's roster.

[smuggler]

I wouldn't worry about Goodson's age. Brent Grimes is a top-10 corner in his thirties. PS the guy and hope for the best.

[pbmax]

Just tape Goodson and Rolle together in one uniform and let them play the nose.

[Brandon494]

I wouldn't worry about Goodson's age. Brent Grimes is a top-10 corner in his thirties. PS the guy and hope for the best.

Lmao what does that have to do with Goodson being a 25 year old injury prone rookie? Yea I agree we should PS him though.

[Zool]

Big play yielding, injury prone 25 year old. Not a great start.

[KYPack]

On Goodson, I noticed him a couple games ago.

When he got in, he had perfect pre-snap mechanics.

He was text book.

After some decent coverage, he screwed up and got beat on a basic route.

Last game, the wheels came off.

After his first spinerelly, he looked like a lost kid at the mall searching for mom.

A year on PS, OTA's and another camp might get him together, but I'd think not.

He's got miles to go.

[smuggler]

Lmao what does that have to do with Goodson being a 25 year old injury prone rookie? Yea I agree we should PS him though.

The point is, three years from now, if he's solid or better, a 28 year old Goodson is way more valuable than a 21 year old JAG. Basically, focus on the play and not the age.

[Teamcheez1]

The point is, three years from now, if he's solid or better, a 28 year old Goodson is way more valuable than a 21 year old JAG. Basically, focus on the play and not the age.

House is 25. Shields is 26. Bush is 30.
Juaml Rolle is 24.
Goodson may never make it, but give him a year on the PS and he may produce for a few years.

[smuggler]

Didn't really get a good look at Pennel today. Rolle, Elliott, and Janis all locked in their spots tonight.

[pbmax]

Didn't really get a good look at Pennel today. Rolle, Elliott, and Janis all locked in their spots tonight.

He had a couple of tackles and one penetration. But he also got shoved around by the Chiefs line in the second half. He was at nose every time I saw him. Active though, his rep from scouting and college clearly isn't the whole story. But he needs an anchor.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I won't get to see the game until after cuts, so I might as well make my predictions based on other people's observations:

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (5) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Letroy Guion, Mike Pennel
OLB (5) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott
ILB (5) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, Carl Bradford
CB (6) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

Last 3 on vs. Last 3 off: Flynn, Bradford, Taylor vs. Mulumba, Dorsey, Stoneburner. They could easily roll with just Rodgers and Tolzien, but I think the chemistry is good in the QB room. I'm not sure any of the last three guys off would make a big enough difference to go another direction. I really want to put Stoneburner over Taylor, but Taylor trumps him on special teams. I think Dorsey has a future in the NFL, but he didn't take advantage of his chances. It sounds like Bradford showed enough at ILB to give Thompson a reason to keep the 4th round pick. I'm not sure Mulumba has enough pass rush potential to warrant a spot, but he could make it on special teams.

[smuggler]

The more I think on it, the more I could see the team cutting Tramon or perhaps (if the right partner stepped forward) trading him. His cap number is 9.5m and his dead money is only 2.3 or thereabouts.

I know he's still a good player, but he's 31 and CB is kind of deep for us...

[pbmax]

Hubbard has a way to go, but both he and Elliot have a body type the Packers haven't had with the exception of Peppers. And Elliot knows how to leverage that length to get around a corner. He's like a can opener.

Hubbard might need to gain 40 pounds. He looks like a mall forward at 250.

[Harlan Huckleby]

QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (5) Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Letroy Guion, Mike Pennel
OLB (5) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott
ILB (5) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, Carl Bradford
CB (6) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode
Drop: Matt Flynn, Andrew Quarless, Carl Bradford, Chris Banjo
Add: Myles White, Andy Mulumba, Carlos Gray, Jake Stoneburner

Mulumba, Gray and Stoneburner might be replaced by guys from other teams this weekend

[Patler]

Chris Banjo is an interesting case. Solidified his value on ST last night, but most reports are that he is clearly the #5 safety, behind Richardson. That being the case, will he even be active on game days? Or, do you sit Richardson if the three above him are healthy, and keep Banjo active for special teams? Some games they have gone with only 3 active safeties. I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to keep 5 safeties.

[wist43]

On Goodson, I noticed him a couple games ago.

When he got in, he had perfect pre-snap mechanics.

He was text book.

After some decent coverage, he screwed up and got beat on a basic route.

Last game, the wheels came off.

After his first spinerelly, he looked like a lost kid at the mall searching for mom.

A year on PS, OTA's and another camp might get him together, but I'd think not.

He's got miles to go.

Nick Collins had miles to go too... he was horrid his first year, terrible his second year, just this side of bad his 3rd year... in his 4th year he figured it out.

[vince]

I was about to post a 53 and read this article to get a bit more perspective. I'm not a huge fan of Pete Dougherty but I think he's all over the 53. Injuries to Thornton and Palmer have cleared some things up for what may have been fringe spots.

53 man prediction (http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/columnists/dougherty/2014/08/29/who-makes-packers-final-cut/14781629/)

1. I'm torn on the 2 or 3 QB question. Both have played well enough to make it but I still have some questions on Tolzien for the short-term so as much as it's a waste of a spot for this year I think holding onto both might be the answer.

2. For me it comes down to four of Flynn/Tolzien/Stoneburner/Rolle/Banjo. Stoneburner would probably be most likely to pass through to the PS. Unless injuries come on the outside, Banjo appears to have more gameday value than Rolle but Rolle may have a higher likelihood of being claimed by someone due to the supply and demand of serviceable CB's throughout the league.

2. Bradford moves forward well and tackled well but is not ready for primetime at ILB. He gave up the TD to the TE in the red zone and I'd fear he'd get picked on big time against NFL starters who are actually game planning to win as opposed to evaluate the bottom of the roster at cut-down time. He can't make the team unless he's a primary special teams contributor and I've seen or read nothing of that sort to date.

3. White is ahead of Dorsey I think. Both have been inconsistent throughout camp so I'd be a bit surprised to see either on the 53 but White is the better receiver IMO and as a safety on kickoff coverage has some value. Gillette's a hard-nosed kid that coaches have to love so I see two maybe even all 3 of these guys on the PS.

4. 5 is a little light on the DL but with the way the Packers play plus having Peppers, Neal and even Perry likely putting their hand on the ground in certain packages/situations it makes sense. They should be OK with Gray on the PS ready for call-up.

[wist43]

Didn't really get a good look at Pennel today. Rolle, Elliott, and Janis all locked in their spots tonight.

You sure about Elliot??

He may have 5 sacks this preseason, but what I saw last night was what I saw when I looked him up on youtube - a guy who doesn't use his hands at all. He may have the speed and athletic ability to get the corner against scrubs, but against starting calibur NFL linemen - he's going nowhere.

He might as well be a double arm amputee for as much as he uses his hands... If a guy can't keep seperation from a blocker by locking out, he can't set the edge; and if he can't hand fight his pass rush is dead; it's why pass rushers with short arms are at a distinct disadvantage against long-armed OT's.

They may very well keep him on the roster - b/c he does have ability, and maybe they figure they can coach him up, but until he figures out how to use his hands, he has no chance of succeeding in the NFL.

[jdrats]

Elliot's sack last night was against KCs starting right tackle, as I believe was the holding penalty on the previous play, and a blatant hold on the first KC drive that wasn't called.

Elliot has earned the spot and no way would he clear waivers.

(Although he is raw--there were several plays where he took himself out, overran the run, etc. But even just as a situational pass rushers he has great potential)

[3irty1]

He's terrific at anticipating the snap count and clearly understands leverage well enough to beat his guy inside. I see what wists saying in that he's a long guy who doesn't play that long but hes got some moves with his hands. Watch his sack against the Raiders he does everything perfect. He's the first one off the line, karate chops the OT's arms off and blows past him before he can regain balance. I think if he were stronger he might be able to play a bit longer. His arm tackles look like running through pool noodles.

[smuggler]

What jdrats said. I wasn't saying he should start or anything. Just that he has shown too much promise to cut. Of all the things an OLB must do, hand technique seems like one of the easier to fix, or at least it's possible.

[wist43]

Elliot went undrafted for a reason(s)... his hands would be at the top of that list I'd imagine.

As I said in another thread - go back and look at his college tape... no motor, and it looks like his arms are duct taped to his sides.

You can see the athletic ability. He's long, long arms, good take off... but the entire time I watched him, I wanted him to do something, anything - if the play went away from him he just jogged down the line, he didn't seem to have any instincts, and then there is the lack of effective hand use.

I'm sure his college coaches were constantly in his ear about it - yet he's still doing it. They may keep him for what he could be, but if hasn't figured out that he has to use his hands by now, he may never.

[Patler]

At best, Elliot would start the season as the 5th OLB. He won't even be active on game days. He will be kept for developmental purposes, because it is unlikely he would get through to the PS simply because of the highlights he has had. His weaknesses now are inconsequential, because he won't play until he improves on them, or the position is devastated with injuries. It's all about potential for the future with him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What Patler said. Plus, Sam Shields and Tramon Williams went undrafted and Mark Tauscher and Donald Driver went in the 7th round. Personnel people are often wrong. I think Elliott has more to work with than the guys he's battling, and I saw that from the first preseason game on. Palmer and Mulumba are a year ahead of Elliott in their development. They needed to take the leap in year two, but they didn't--although one of those guys may make the team based on special teams.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Drop: Matt Flynn, Andrew Quarless, Carl Bradford, Chris Banjo
Add: Myles White, Andy Mulumba, Carlos Gray, Jake Stoneburner

Mulumba, Gray and Stoneburner might be replaced by guys from other teams this weekend

I'd take Kevin Dorsey over Myles White. I think he has more potential. I think Gray and Robinson are similar, and I think you can sneak at least one of those guys onto the practice squad. I was close to adding Stoneburner over Taylor or the third QB. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it. Mulumba could get the nod over Bradford. It all comes down to how the special teams shakes out. I just don't know enough about how guys are doing on special teams. I think it would be hard to cut a 4th round pick, so if Bradford showed enough potential at ILB, I think he makes the team. Of course, I didn't see the game, so I have no idea how he looked.

[wist43]

At best, Elliot would start the season as the 5th OLB. He won't even be active on game days. He will be kept for developmental purposes, because it is unlikely he would get through to the PS simply because of the highlights he has had. His weaknesses now are inconsequential, because he won't play until he improves on them, or the position is devastated with injuries. It's all about potential for the future with him.

I agree, but roster spots are valuable - it comes down to whether they think his upside is worth burning a roster spot for.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bubble Guys: QB Matt Flynn, TE Jake Stoneburner, TE Ryan Taylor, WR Kevin Dorsey, OLB Jayrone Elliott, OLB Andy Mulumba, ILB Carl Bradford, CB Jumal Rolle, S Chris Banjo

The Packers have to cut three of these guys. It comes down to who can help this year vs. who offers potential for the future. If it were me, I'd keep Rolle and Elliott because I like their potential and they likely won't get to the practice squad. Of the rest, it seems like Taylor and Banjo are corps special teams players.

That leaves Flynn, Stoneburner, Dorsey, Mulumba, Bradford for two spots. Flynn gives you peace of mind at QB, and I'm not sure the rest offer enough potential to cut Flynn. You can probably find players as good and with as much potential on somebody else's practice squad. That leaves one spot left. I could see them keeping Stoneburner with Bostick hurt. I think they'll cut Dorsey and Myles White with one of them probably getting to the practice squad. Does Mulumba offer enough potential and/or enough on special teams to keep? If it were me, I'd lean no. I didn't get to see Bradford play at ILB last night. If he didn't offer up much, then I'd say they keep Stoneburner. At least, until Bostick gets back.

[vince]

I'd take Kevin Dorsey over Myles White. I think he has more potential. I think Gray and Robinson are similar, and I think you can sneak at least one of those guys onto the practice squad. I was close to adding Stoneburner over Taylor or the third QB. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it. Mulumba could get the nod over Bradford. It all comes down to how the special teams shakes out. I just don't know enough about how guys are doing on special teams. I think it would be hard to cut a 4th round pick, so if Bradford showed enough potential at ILB, I think he makes the team. Of course, I didn't see the game, so I have no idea how he looked.
It may be inconsequential by then but see what you think after watching the game. Dorsey showed a seeming inability to go up and get at least one ball that appeared pretty catchable. There was at least one other opportunity as well that he failed to capitalize on. Add in his inconsistencies and you may reconsider. Maybe not though. When plays are there you gotta make em and despite his physical tools, I just don't see much playmaking ability in Dorsey. I certainly think you know what you see though and may still think otherwise...

[pbmax]

I think they need to find room for Elliot somewhere even if its going to cost them talent in the D backfield or the depth of mediocre's on the D line.

[pbmax]

It may be inconsequential by then but see what you think after watching the game. Dorsey showed a seeming inability to go up and get at least one ball that appeared pretty catchable. Add in his inconsistencies and you may reconsider. Maybe not though. When plays are there you gotta make em and despite his physical tools, I just don't see much playmaking ability in Dorsey. I certainly think you know what you see though and may still think otherwise...

No doubt he has more potential, but White seems much more likely to contribute this year.

[Patler]

I agree, but roster spots are valuable - it comes down to whether they think his upside is worth burning a roster spot for.

Sure, but GB has done it frequently. Giacomini, McDonald, Newhouse all made the rosters their first years without any intention that they play, and I don't think they were ever active their first years. The last couple roster spots become meaningful only when injuries mount and the inactive list is filled with those physically unable to play. Of course, for the Packers that could be in week #1.

[Fritz]

Sure, but GB has done it frequently. Giacomini, McDonald, Newhouse all made the rosters their first years without any intention that they play, and I don't think they were ever active their first years. The last couple roster spots become meaningful only when injuries mount and the inactive list is filled with those physically unable to play. Of course, for the Packers that could be in week #1.

This is it. IF the injuries don't mount, you'll have healthy scratches. Elliot is that guy.

Last night's injuries may have made some decisions easier.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It may be inconsequential by then but see what you think after watching the game. Dorsey showed a seeming inability to go up and get at least one ball that appeared pretty catchable. There was at least one other opportunity as well that he failed to capitalize on. Add in his inconsistencies and you may reconsider. Maybe not though. When plays are there you gotta make em and despite his physical tools, I just don't see much playmaking ability in Dorsey. I certainly think you know what you see though and may still think otherwise...

I think both guys have missed on several opportunities--which is why I have neither making the team. In the first three games White had a couple of drops and missed out on other opportunities to go get the ball. I think they'll try to get both guys on the practice squad. Dorsey is pretty smooth running his routes, and I think he may have the ability down the line to play outside and in the slot. Dorsey is raw. He didn't get a lot of opportunities to catch the ball in college, but there is something about him that makes me think he has a future in the NFL. He needs to improve his ball skills. White needs to improve his ability to beat press and his ball skills.

[Fritz]

I'm with Harvey. Neither Dorsey nor White impresses me enough to warrant a spot on the 53. You've got to have at least one of the special-teams demons on the team, so to me that means both Dorsey and White go, and at least one of Taylor or Banjo stays.

Keep one backup QB. Fuggit.

I'm not a Bradford fan, myself. I don't mind keeping raw guys around to develop, but to me this guy hasn't even shown flashes.

[Zool]

Disclaimer, haven't watched last night's game.

Dorsey and White to me don't look like anything special. They can be replaced again next year by a late round pick or UDFA pickup. Nothing in their game jumps out as anything more than ordinary. If Banjo is better on ST, I'd keep him over them. Every team has 1 or 2 WRs who are just barely good enough to stick in the right situation and would be available in dire emergencies.

[Pugger]

Elliot's sack last night was against KCs starting right tackle, as I believe was the holding penalty on the previous play, and a blatant hold on the first KC drive that wasn't called.

Elliot has earned the spot and no way would he clear waivers.

(Although he is raw--there were several plays where he took himself out, overran the run, etc. But even just as a situational pass rushers he has great potential)

Yes, no matter how green guys with the propensity to rush the passer are coveted so I doubt he'll be cut.

[jdrats]

Not that I'm the cheerleader for Elliot or anything, but I just think there is no way he doesn't make the roster. How deep is GB at OLB anyway? Certainly not as deep as it sometimes appears. Clay has missed time each of the last couple years, and Perry too. Suddenly Elliot could find himself at #3 on the chart. I'd rather not have the injuries of course, but if it came to it, I wouldn't mind seeing a fresh Elliot lining up on third-and-long late in the game against the Bears and let him rip.

And I heard lots of rumbles this off season about Perry. He may have a chance at the number 4 spot by seasons end anyway. Again, at least as a pass rusher.

I think Stoneburner played his way onto the roster last night too. I still can't see it, but the folks picking Quarless as the surprise cut might be right. I just don't know how you cut your only tight end with significant game experience.

[Fritz]

You sure about Elliot??

He may have 5 sacks this preseason, but what I saw last night was what I saw when I looked him up on youtube - a guy who doesn't use his hands at all. He may have the speed and athletic ability to get the corner against scrubs, but against starting calibur NFL linemen - he's going nowhere.

He might as well be a double arm amputee for as much as he uses his hands... If a guy can't keep seperation from a blocker by locking out, he can't set the edge; and if he can't hand fight his pass rush is dead; it's why pass rushers with short arms are at a distinct disadvantage against long-armed OT's.

They may very well keep him on the roster - b/c he does have ability, and maybe they figure they can coach him up, but until he figures out how to use his hands, he has no chance of succeeding in the NFL.


But how could he sack anyone that way?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Miles White got in games last year and looked pretty good - quick, athletic. He was just too skinny. Well, he obviously went through a steroid regimen in the off-season, is much thicker. I think he deserves a shot based on last year.

[pbmax]

Aaron Adams gone for the season. Tore both ACL and MCL.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/12578/adams-tears-acl-packers-may-add-ol-help

[Packman_26]

Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
Lacy, Starks, Harris, Kuhn
Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Janis
Rodgers, Bostick, Quarless, Taylor
Bakhtiari, Lang, Tretter, Sitton, Bulaga, Linsley, Sherrod, Taylor
Daniels, Jones, Boyd, Pennel, Guion
Peppers, Matthews, Neal, Perry, Elliott, Mulumba
Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington, Bradford
Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush
Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson, Banjo
Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Practice Squad would include: Robinson, Rolle, Hubbard, Palmer, Stoneburner, Perkins, Goodson, Gerhart, Vujnovich, Dorsey

I'm guessing Thornton is on PUP or IR. If he's not it makes it really tough. I can't see them giving up on Bradford but I don't know where the spot comes from for Thornton. If I had to pick someone it would be Banjo since they are deep at safety and with the rule change Banjo could make it to the practice squad. I like him but there probably isn't a huge market for him. He'd likely be signed from the PS at some point during the year.

[Packman_26]

Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien
Lacy, Starks, Harris, Kuhn
Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Adams, Janis
Rodgers, Bostick, Quarless, Taylor
Bakhtiari, Lang, Tretter, Sitton, Bulaga, Linsley, Sherrod, Taylor
Daniels, Jones, Boyd, Pennel, Guion
Peppers, Matthews, Neal, Perry, Elliott, Mulumba
Hawk, Jones, Lattimore, Barrington, Bradford
Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Bush
Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Hyde, Richardson, Banjo
Crosby, Masthay, Goode

Practice Squad would include: Robinson, Rolle, Hubbard, Palmer, Stoneburner, Perkins, Goodson, Gerhart, Vujnovich, Dorsey

I'm guessing Thornton is on PUP or IR. If he's not it makes it really tough. I can't see them giving up on Bradford but I don't know where the spot comes from for Thornton. If I had to pick someone it would be Banjo since they are deep at safety and with the rule change Banjo could make it to the practice squad. I like him but there probably isn't a huge market for him. He'd likely be signed from the PS at some point during the year.
I believe that's 52 of 53 boys! Damn Banjo/Goodson got me. (But I will accept a penalty for screwing up the PUP rules. Embarrassing.)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't really care about Mulumba vs. Banjo. It's whomever the brass thinks is better on teams, but I think Goodson over Rolle is a mistake. Other than that, the cuts aren't all that earth shattering.

[Joemailman]

I don't really care about Mulumba vs. Banjo. It's whomever the brass thinks is better on teams, but I think Goodson over Rolle is a mistake. Other than that, the cuts aren't all that earth shattering.

It's not a mistake if they can sneak Rolle on to the PS. Even then, this might be the position they are the deepest at, so it might not matter much which one is on there. I know Rolle played better than Goodson at CB, but sometimes these last decisions come down to special teams and perceived upside.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If they get Rolle on PS, I will feel better. I don't have much hope for Goodson though. We'll see.

[run pMc]

Goodson over Rolle...that's a headscratcher to me. I don't think they would have had any trouble cutting Goodson and getting him on the PS. Rolle's preseason tape is better, and I think he deserved the roster spot over Goodson. I hope they can get him on the PS. Pretty good developmental guy in case both Tramon and House aren't signed.

Was surprised they kept Bradford too. I really don't think he would get picked up by anyone if cut.
JSO writers seemed to think he played better at ILB; McGinn also thought Palmer did as well, which is interesting.

One injury on the OL and either Goodson or Bradford is gone. They have to be #52 or #53.

Was surprised about Stoneburner going to IR. Did Rajion Neal go on IR? He's a keeper too.

[pbmax]

Let's not get too over emotional about Rolle. If he was such a guaranteed roster spot, why did the Bills and Sants have a chance to keep him on the PS and still both let him go by October 2, 2013.

He could still leak through.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jacksonville let Boykin go. Houston let Tramon go. Rolle is clearly the better player now, and based on age and measurables, I'm not sure Goodson has more potential.

[Patler]

The Packers would have to lose 3 or 4 DBs before Banjo, Rolle or Goodson would see the field on defense anyway, so who is the better player now isn't very important. Who is the better ST player doesn't matter much either, because it is a long shot for them to even be active on game day, let alone play meaningful snaps on defense. I suspect they saw Rolle and Banjo as guys who were probably as good as they were ever going to be and Goodson as a guy with the physical ability to possibly become much better in time. If they lose a couple safeties, Bush will be the fall back guy, but won't play safety unless they lose a third safety. If they lose 3 corners, Hyde will play corner and Richardson will move up at safety.

Richardson might not even be active on game days if the DBs are healthy, and there may even be games when neither Richardson nor House is active if they need the roster spot at another position. If the Packers were going to keep a 10th DB it might as well be the guy with the most potential, regardless of current performance. It is probably the first spot on the roster to go when they need to add someone at another position anyway.