Official Gameday Thread 8-16-14, against some other team in a game that doesn't matter

[red]

i don't care

[red]

oh, and fuck the bears

[Willard]

I want to see how our #1 OL handles the Lambs DL.

[Bretsky]

Cutler looks really good this year after one yr working with their stellar coach; I hated that hire cause he's good.

I'm no f'ckin Bear lover so I won't draft a dam Bear, but Cutler IMO will put up some nice FF numbers for the Bear Lovers that draft him

[smuggler]

Cutler will still throw his 15-20 picks, fear not.

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[pbmax]

Cutler will still throw his 15-20 picks, fear not.

Obligatory Game Day interception.

[pbmax]

Scott Wells is alive and ambulatory.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 1m
Ex-#Packers C @63Wells8 on field renewing acquaintances. QB @ChaseRettig playing catch with WRs @jrjanis, @M_White03, @Gillett8, others.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 10m
#Packers DT Letroy Guion, on non-football injury list with a hamstring, is on the field running/working out with strength coach Mark Lovat.

[red]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 10m
#Packers DT Letroy Guion, on non-football injury list with a hamstring, is on the field running/working out with strength coach Mark Lovat.

i for one am shocked

SHOCKED!!

[Striker]

I'm interested to see how Flynn and Tolzien do today.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm interested to see how Flynn and Tolzien do today.

You mean Tolzien and Flynn.

[red]

oh god damnit, this is a dome game?

gonna feel even less like a real game now

why the hell does st louis need a fucking dome for anyhow?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Both teams will be wearing sneakers so the carpet doesn't rip. This is going to be tinker toy game.

[TravisWilliams23]

When Fisher was at Tenn, he usually had his defense stunting and blitzing during the preseason games vs GB. It usually gave MM's squad fits to do anyting. I hope he does that again this year just to see how the Pack can handle it.

[gbgary]

love the O!

[gbgary]

Big dose of Lacy so far.

[esoxx]

This Lacy fellow just may turn out to be pretty good.

[Iron Mike]

TD Cobb!!!!

[esoxx]

This Rodgers fellow just may turn out to be pretty good.

[TravisWilliams23]

Not too bad.

[Rutnstrut]

That was impressive, now for the let down also known as the defense.

[gbgary]

Nice finish.

[TravisWilliams23]

Ouch! Slocum's boys looked the same old-same old.

[gbgary]

Artificial turf injury for that ram.

[Striker]

Good warmup for the offense. Time for the twos? Or give them another series?

[esoxx]

Morgan "Carol" Burnett in on a tackle.

[bobblehead]

Raji is looking motivated

[gbgary]

D looking good so far.

[denverYooper]

CM3 and Pepp have flipped sides a few times.

[esoxx]

That 2-4 look really stymied that 3rd and long. Time to punt.

[denverYooper]

Raji is looking motivated

Rams announcers on my feed were impressed.

[gbgary]

There's that Cobb, that's not worth keeping, wide open again.

[denverYooper]

All core on that throw to Bostick.

[gbgary]

Boykins playing well.

Q wide open deep.

[denverYooper]

12 don't give a fuck.

[pbmax]

CM3 and Pepp have flipped sides a few times.

Matthews is on the left in base and the right in nickel (and dime I think).

[pbmax]

Thats early season Starks right there. Missed two opportunities to hit an OK hole to run to a non existent one wide.

[pbmax]

Bring in Sherrod!!

[pbmax]

Nice cut block by Bach.

[denverYooper]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 2m
Bostick going to the locker room. Walking on his own.

[pbmax]

I think House just committed the cardinal sin of the containment guy on KO coverage. Beat in a footrace to the outside.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 42s
#Packers KOC: House, Burnett, Richardson, Banjo, Crosby, Lattimore, Barrington, R.Taylor, Shields, Bush. cc: @RobDemovsky

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 2m
Bostick going to the locker room. Walking on his own.

Son of a gun.

[denverYooper]

Matthews is on the left in base and the right in nickel (and dime I think).

Nice catch. That makes sense.

My analytical ability stops at "the long haired white guy and the big black guy are in different locations at different times."

[pbmax]

Terrible Tramontana coverage and HHCD commits cardinal sin of not cleaning up the mess despite having deep position.

[pbmax]

Nice catch. That makes sense.

My analytical ability stops at "the long haired white guy and the big black guy are in different locations at different times."

I wouldn't know the pattern but its previously been reported in camp.

[TravisWilliams23]

Nice hold on Peppers.

[pbmax]

Someone should save tape of that last run by Rams. Packers played textbook gap control to stop a run in base.

[pbmax]

Peppers just loafed on that pass rush. One move and then tailed off.

[pbmax]

He might not ever be exceptional at it (or even above average) but Jones look much faster diagnosing plays. Much better position.

[pbmax]

Was that on Hyde? Thought he was going to tip it.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 38s
#Packers KO return: Harris, Kuhn, Daniels, D.Jones, R.Taylor, Bush, Lattimore, Banjo, Clinton-DIx, Barrington, Dorsey. cc: @RobDemovsky

Jones with illegal use of hands for flag.

[denverYooper]

Fire Slocum!

[pbmax]

Story of this game on defense is oldest one of Ted's era. Not enough pass rush and need to rely on INTs in backend to stop passing games. Its preseason, so not the end of the world, but interior pass rush isn't getting anything.

[esoxx]

Sherrod just about got Tolzien killed there. Not good.

[pbmax]

Sherrod just about got Tolzien killed. Lost control of 97 very quickly and didn't recover quick enough.

Then Adams nearly gets Tolzien killed next play.

[pbmax]

Sherrod having trouble with that punch. Gets knocked back and can't recover again.

Looked like Newhouse on that one.

[esoxx]

And Sherrod gets beat again. Well done Sherry.

[Rutnstrut]

Story of this game on defense is oldest one of Ted's era. Not enough pass rush and need to rely on INTs in backend to stop passing games. Its preseason, so not the end of the world, but interior pass rush isn't getting anything.

However during the regular season against better teams it is a big deal.

[denverYooper]

Sherrod having trouble with that punch. Gets knocked back and can't recover again.

Brutal series for him.

[red]

we can go ahead and cut sherrod now

no way do i want him protecting a-rods back

[pbmax]

And Sherrod gets beat again. Well done Sherry.

He is setting up very shallow. Looks like a weird position.

[TravisWilliams23]

Tolzien's passing is crisp and on the money but the line is going to get him killed.

[red]

i also watched raji quite a bit so far, he is getting owned by single blockers again. so much for him returning to a decent player.

looks like the sloth is here to stay

[pbmax]

Packer run D looking better regardless of what they are doing.

[pbmax]

Neal with one of his best pass rushes in years and Pennel cleans up the mess. Nice.

[pbmax]

Pennel needs to learn to land with his entire weight on the QB. No rolling.

2nd D gets a nice stop. Good job.

[pbmax]

Janis on 2nd team ST punt return. Trying to find a spot for the guy.

[Rutnstrut]

i also watched raji quite a bit so far, he is getting owned by single blockers again. so much for him returning to a decent player.

looks like the sloth is here to stay

Raji is worthless, keeping him will bight them in the ass.

[esoxx]

Would really like to see Datone Jones make some plays. Really going to need him to elevate his game this season but so far not much to talk about.

[pbmax]

Sherrod covering backside pursuit on that run has nothing to do but when end crashes, gets wrong footed and has to reach. Not his cleanest game.

[pbmax]

On 3rd down has his (Sherrod) best pass pro of the game. Feet move well, gets wide catches and stops 97.

Still think he is setting up too narrowly. Too close to QB/Guard. Needs some width, leaves a lot of space for DE to move.

Bostick with lower leg injury. Not returning,

[Rutnstrut]

Bostick out the rest of game with a lower leg.

[pbmax]

Perry with nice contain and tackle on wide run.

Play before it (before TV timeout) went to that side and OLB lost contain. Hope that wasn't Perry.

[esoxx]

He is setting up very shallow. Looks like a weird position.

Noticed that. On this last series his kick step was much better and he got more depth.

[denverYooper]

That was a McCarthyesque call.

[pbmax]

Quarless has zero balance on the field. I wonder if he trips a lot in his day to day life.

[Iron Mike]

Ouch, Quarless....from starter to what? Third team TE??

[esoxx]

Adams with the whiff now.

[pbmax]

Another good pass pro by Sherrod. But RT fails Tolzien and Tolzien doesn't take the hint when he got grabbed the first time.

[pbmax]

Masthay is on PEDs.

[denverYooper]

Quarless has zero balance on the field. I wonder if he trips a lot in his day to day life.

He should probably think about doing some Yoga.

[pbmax]

Noticed that. On this last series his kick step was much better and he got more depth.

Yeah. I thought he was setting up short (maybe technique adjustment for Fisher wide 9 DE?) but he is actually closer to football than it looks like he should be.

I would think he wants to flare out a little bit with that kick step. But you are correct, he feet on last series looked good.

[bobblehead]

That 2-4 look really stymied that 3rd and long. Time to punt.

This is why Wist says you're an idiot. 3rd and 14 is fine for the 2-4. 2nd and goal from the 3 is not.

[pittstang5]

I'm a little late to the party. Dvred the game and just caught up.

My observations - 1st team Offense looks really good. Aaron is precise, O-line holding up good, running game looks good too.

1st team Defense - Ok against the run, but NO PASS RUSH! I haven't seen a blitz yet, but there is no inside rush whatsoever - I'm hoping that's either by design or something else. Starting to get worried.

Special teams - Fire Slocum

Tolzien - on that 3rd and 1 right before the half - just step up in the pocket and you have the 1st down. I was also not happy with that play call - get the 1st, spike it and move on.

[pbmax]

DeJuan with a negative.

[pittstang5]

Saw that coming - gotta hold onto that tighter Harris

[pbmax]

Sherrod with another good pass pro. Didn't see him on other two plays. He is still on left, Adams on right.

[pbmax]

ZOOK!!

[pbmax]

Bush is outside CB. Weather getting frosty in netherworld.

[TravisWilliams23]

Good run-terrible turnover. Making it hard to justify a roster spot with that.

[pbmax]

HHCD can pass rush.

Janis has natural hands at punt returner.

[pbmax]

Sherrod with nice pass block on draw. Everyone else failed.

[pbmax]

Dorsey you HAVE to catch that.

Sherrod with another good one. Might have just had trouble with 97.

[pbmax]

Tolzien with nice toss out of close but good pocket. But he had another receiver open deep on same side of field.

[pbmax]

Holy crap a SCREEN! Tolzien with nice timing.

[pittstang5]

Harris looks like he's slipping every other play. Change your cleats man

[pbmax]

Hill with very nice patience and block read.

[pbmax]

Nice drive by Tolzien and second string offense.

[pittstang5]

a flag? of course there is a flag

[pbmax]

Packer TV doesn't understand the call. Hands to face on 63. White got the personal could on celebration.

[pittstang5]

good grief

[pbmax]

Sherrod got called but that was on center or QB.

[pbmax]

Lots of flags to correct next week. Good work in red zone though.

[pittstang5]

That was a shame that they couldn't come away with any points

[TravisWilliams23]

Would like to see Janis more in the red zone.

[pbmax]

Nice series of downs for second string D.

[pbmax]

That was a shame that they couldn't come away with any points

14 points come off board on penalties.

[TravisWilliams23]

Flynn for the win.

[esoxx]

Tolzien looked good. Flags and pass pro let him down.

[esoxx]

Nice catch and run by Janis!

[denverYooper]

Whoa. Janis has an extra gear and he hits it quick.

[Iron Mike]

Awful lot of illegal hands to the face, don't you think???

[pbmax]

Hello Janis.

[esoxx]

Shades of Jeff Query out there.

[denverYooper]

Nice job on Flynn to see Janis heading there, too.

[pbmax]

Sherrod and Adams have flopped sides for the Flynn Experience. Adams on left, Sherrod on right.

[denverYooper]

So, Flynn is the #2.

[TravisWilliams23]

Awful lot of illegal hands to the face, don't you think???

The league warned that it was going to be called more this year. It's up to the players to adjust to what's being called.

[esoxx]

Nice work by "Matty Ice" Flynn.

[pbmax]

Awful lot of illegal hands to the face, don't you think???

Yeah, they are calling anything close.

[pittstang5]

Awful lot of illegal hands to the face, don't you think???

Crack down this year - you touch the helmet - front, side, back....anywhere on the head - they throw the flag pretty much

[pbmax]

#9 should make the team for his KO coverage alone. Best tackle I have seen in three years.

[Iron Mike]

Jeff Janis doesn't even show up as a player on Fox Sports...the coverage has printed"TD 1:15 Matt Flynn pass to the middle to TEAM for 34 yards. Touchdown."

[pbmax]

Jeff Janis doesn't even show up as a player on Fox Sports...the coverage has printed"TD 1:15 Matt Flynn pass to the middle to TEAM for 34 yards. Touchdown."

Fantasy sleeper after he wins the punt return job.

[pbmax]

Pre snap front change by 3rd string defense. Capers might not be stripping out everything from the playbook.

[pbmax]

Banjo and some other guy who actually caused the INT!

[denverYooper]

Jeff Janis doesn't even show up as a player on Fox Sports...the coverage has printed"TD 1:15 Matt Flynn pass to the middle to TEAM for 34 yards. Touchdown."

That's a damn shame, because Janis looks like he's going to make the team.

[pbmax]

Palmer looking better versus 3rd string.

Now Mulumba playing like a starter versus 3rd stringers.

[pittstang5]

what happened.....lost feed, went to commercial, looked like FG try

[pbmax]

what happened.....lost feed, went to commercial, looked like FG try

55 yarder went wide right.

[pittstang5]

Not cool - NFL channel "Experiencing Technical diffculties" NOT COOL

[pbmax]

Another screen. Nice job. Going to get very tired of flags this year.

[pittstang5]

Oh Flynn, looked like a rookie there.

[TravisWilliams23]

Money Crosby.

[pittstang5]

Seems the Refs are throwing more flags in the red zone

[Joemailman]

Nice move by Flynn to take the sack so they could practice a 50 yard field goal in game conditions.

[pbmax]

Nice move by Flynn to take the sack so they could practice a 50 yard field goal in game conditions.

Its the Packer way.

[pbmax]

Some nutcase was on the radio saying that the NFC West could have 4 top ten teams this year and 2 or 3 could miss the playoffs. Not sure about that, though the Rams offense looked good with a healthy Bradford.

[Iron Mike]

Jayrone Elliott playing like his hair's on fire!!!!

[denverYooper]

Pass rush problems solved. Play Elliott.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
Bears officially have signed WR Santonio Holmes to a one-year contract and terminated contract of WR Eric Weems.


If you are a longtime Bear fan, are you relieved at how serious the team now takes offense or do you think they have lost their minds if they think the Defense is good enough to win?

[pittstang5]

Elliot looks like a beast

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 34s
Elliott was credited for a strip sack. That's three in four plays

[denverYooper]

If only they could play against 3d string OL all the time...

[pittstang5]

Just go down, there's a flag, it'll be against the Pack - no question.

[pbmax]

If only they could play against 3d string OL all the time...

If it wasn't for that, then fans wouldn't develop an irrational crush on late round picks or UDFAs.

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 59s
Michael Sam drops Matt Flynn for first NFL sack http://wp.me/p14QSB-9xII

Hey, Packers make history. In reverse.

[Joemailman]

So is Elliott this year's UDFA OLB gem who won't make the team next year?

[denverYooper]

If it wasn't for that, then fans wouldn't develop an irrational crush on late round picks or UDFAs.

Yeah. Even given the competition, 3 sacks in 4 plays is impressive.

[pittstang5]

Everybody gets a sack tonight.

[pbmax]

Drink every time there is illegal hands to the face == Game no one will play this year

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 17s
Flynn went 2-for-3 for 44 yards and a touchdown on three series

Efficient.

[Iron Mike]

Everybody gets a sack tonight.

http://www.cinema52.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/caddyshack-11.jpg

[pbmax]

Troy Vincent ‏@TroyVincent23 2m
New rules help competitive balance. 1st wk of @NFL experiment w kicks fr 15 yd line, 3 PATs missed—1 missed all last yr (incl. preseason).


WHAT?!

[red]

ugh, watching that game was like getting my teeth pulled

i really think this is the year i stop watching NFL games, i enjoyed all 4 of the english soccer games i watched today much more then this game

i saw like a handful of commercials at least 20 times, and all the fucking flags, my god i forgot how boring football is. its getting close to baseball territory now

[Rutnstrut]

ugh, watching that game was like getting my teeth pulled

i really think this is the year i stop watching NFL games, i enjoyed all 4 of the english soccer games i watched today much more then this game

i saw like a handful of commercials at least 20 times, and all the fucking flags, my god i forgot how boring football is. its getting close to baseball territory now

Do you really watch and enjoy soccer?

[Brandon494]

Jeff Janis!!!!

See pbmax, I'm better at evaluating skill positions. :-)

[Joemailman]

ugh, watching that game was like getting my teeth pulled

i really think this is the year i stop watching NFL games, i enjoyed all 4 of the english soccer games i watched today much more then this game

i saw like a handful of commercials at least 20 times, and all the fucking flags, my god i forgot how boring football is. its getting close to baseball territory now

You're comparing preseason football to English Premier League? Actually, I've seen preseason football worse than this year. Flynn/Tolzien>Vice Young/Graham Harrell.

[red]

Do you really watch and enjoy soccer?

yes, and IMHO its a much more enjoyable game to watch compared to NFL

i mean at one point the two assholes on the tv were trying to figure out what one of the dumb fucks did with his pen. thats how boring the game is. waaaaaay to many stoppages and commercial breaks

[VegasPackFan]

Ya - I think the NFL is forgetting that the fans really don't want to see refs dominating the game and TV time. WTF!!!

[pbmax]

Jeff Fisher: Rams running back Isaiah Pead tears ACL (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/16/jeff-fisher-rams-running-back-isaiah-pead-tears-acl/)

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 23s
Heading up from the locker room now. Jeff Janis has the best nickname I've heard in a while: "V12."


I like the nickname but its not going to catch on. Should switch it to "Lambo".

[Harlan Huckleby]

Looks like the Packers have a total of 5 offensive lineman that can play.

Well, maybe one of the other guys would get better by playing if he had to.

Sherrod had 3 very bad plays. That's too many.

[Joemailman]

Looks like the Packers have a total of 5 offensive lineman that can play.

Well, maybe one of the other guys would get better by playing if he had to.

I missed most of the game. Are you saying Sherrod can't play, or one of the starters?

[pbmax]

Looks like the Packers have a total of 5 offensive lineman that can play.

Well, maybe one of the other guys would get better by playing if he had to.

Sherrod had 3 very bad plays. That's too many.

No, it was two. That illegal procedure was the fault of the center or QB. From the wire camera behind the QB, the RT, RG and Sherrod all went on the same count. But the ball stayed put.

Still, those two pass protection failures were pretty brutal.

[pbmax]

I missed most of the game. Are you saying Sherrod can't play, or one of the starters?

He has a lot to learn. He had a bad positional setup early and was getting punched and had no time or space to recover against Ram #97. He was setting up WAY too inside. Rest of game was better including a few decent run blocks, but he has got an issue in protection on the Left that must be fixed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I forgot about the penalty. I saw Sherry lose it on three plays.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I missed most of the game. Are you saying Sherrod can't play, or one of the starters?

The five starters look excellent.

Both the backup tackles had breakdowns. Perhaps I am overstating the dung smell.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Tolzien has a good throwing arm.

I might watch the game again, it was so boring that I was distracted by a fly circling the room.

[red]

sherrod was also about to get beat bad around the outside but luckily the DE stopped his rush for some reason and decided to cut back underneath. if the pass rusher would have continued his initial rush, tolzien (or maybe it was flynn at that point) would have gotten destroyed for the 3rd time

[red]

The five starters look excellent.

Both the backup tackles had breakdowns. Perhaps I am overstating the dung smell.

no, you're not

we need to pray to god none of our starters get hurt, or else, we're fucked

[pbmax]

Linsley looked OK. Not sure if there is a backup Guard on the roster even though Taylor has gotten some praise in camp.

The second line blocked the run OK against the #2 defense. It looks better than last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Can we wait to write Sherrod off? Barely played in 2-3 years and had a good game last week. Even a good OL has a bad game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Can we wait to write Sherrod off? Barely played in 2-3 years and had a good game last week. Even a good OL has a bad game.

He should be able to block 2nd stringers.

He came back at the end of last season, he has had plenty of time to get timing down. No mulligans.

[smuggler]

Whatever. Janis owns.

[esoxx]

That #97 was Eugene Jones. A four year veteran with five career sacks. Drafted in the sixth round of the 2010 draft. Jones is a Texas A&M product. Er... actually that's West Texas A&M (not kidding).

Look, Derrick Sherrod has the lineage and physical gifts to dominate a JAG such as E. Jones. Can he, will he, get it together in time for the regular season? Long shot. If he looked like that against Just A Jag Jones (sorry Bretsky), how will he look against the elite edge rushers that line up week after week when the real bullets fly?

LT is a trust position, especially when the QB is one Aaron Rodgers. Sherrod will never smell the field without gaining some trust in protecting the blind side. Just like pass targets need to earn trust by running correct routes and making proper reads, just like a RB needs to have trust that they can pass protect, LT needs that basic trust as well.

The NFL is a ruthless business.

Go back and look at #16 get buried on that first sack. Then envision it's the regular season and it's #12 taking that hit. Can't have it. No "on the job training" allowed when the real games start.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rams are ridiculously deep at DE, so it's not like the guy is a street FA.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/7/22/5898669/rams-roster-preview


The St. Louis Rams have one of the deepest defensive lines in the NFL. Almost every defensive line player could play for any team and a majority of them could start. Eugene Sims is a player who might not start for every team in the league but he would get his fair share of snaps.

Yes, the Rams have solid depth on the defensive line and Sims is a big part of that.

I haven't watched the game yet, but I won't write the guy off for one bad series or bad game. He played good last week. There aren't too many guys who are great every week. Bahktiari struggled against the Rams last preaseason and people were ready to write off the season. I'll wait to see how he does the next couple of weeks.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll wait to see how he does the next couple of weeks.

It's not a question of writing him off. The Packers don't have a better option, so all you can do is praise his good feet and hope for the best - like we did with Newhouse last year.

It's more that fear is in the air, the fear of great suckiness. With Barclay gone, the stakes are high. The herd is nervous.

[esoxx]

So, a blogger from a homer site called "turfshowtimes.com" says Jones "could play for any team and on a majority of them could start." LMAO. Entering his 5th year if he had this type of play he would have hit free agent market by now or maybe he just has a bad agent, seeing as how he could start for most teams.

Dude's started two games in four years. Rams have a solid line now but hasn't always been the case since Jones came in to the league.

Sherrod just needs to step it up, now. His time is running out and getting run over by Jag E. Jones will not help.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Wait a minute, the Rams, don't they have that gay d-lineman? Sam?

Anybody see anything suspicious?

[pbmax]

That #97 was Eugene Jones. A four year veteran with five career sacks. Drafted in the sixth round of the 2010 draft. Jones is a Texas A&M product. Er... actually that's West Texas A&M (not kidding).

Look, Derrick Sherrod has the lineage and physical gifts to dominate a JAG such as E. Jones. Can he, will he, get it together in time for the regular season? Long shot. If he looked like that against Just A Jag Jones (sorry Bretsky), how will he look against the elite edge rushers that line up week after week when the real bullets fly?

LT is a trust position, especially when the QB is one Aaron Rodgers. Sherrod will never smell the field without gaining some trust in protecting the blind side. Just like pass targets need to earn trust by running correct routes and making proper reads, just like a RB needs to have trust that they can pass protect, LT needs that basic trust as well.

The NFL is a ruthless business.

Go back and look at #16 get buried on that first sack. Then envision it's the regular season and it's #12 taking that hit. Can't have it. No "on the job training" allowed when the real games start.

No one wants to see that hit, but its not like there are starting caliber left tackles just waiting for phone calls out there. He's got to fix the mechanical problem he had with 97.

Odd thing was, I expected that kind of glitch last week. Then you fix it this week and progress.

Rams DE's might just be better. We'll see in a week if he steps it up.

[pbmax]

red gets to start next week's thread.

Also a reminder, Janis and Elliot will be Pro Bowlers in two years according to the pre-season. :lol:

[esoxx]

No one wants to see that hit, but its not like there are starting caliber left tackles just waiting for phone calls out there. He's got to fix the mechanical problem he had with 97.

Odd thing was, I expected that kind of glitch last week. Then you fix it this week and progress.

Rams DE's might just be better. We'll see in a week if he steps it up.

Fair enough. Trust me, I'm rooting for the guy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No one wants to see that hit, but its not like there are starting caliber left tackles just waiting for phone calls out there. He's got to fix the mechanical problem he had with 97.

He also needs to fix whatever problems got him cleanly beat at right tackle.

I went back and watched his plays. It was a Newhousian performance: most of the time he did just fine, but then the breakdowns were dramatic. He got toasted 3 1/2 times in less than 3 quarters of play. That's Newhouse on his worst day.

[Harlan Huckleby]

JSONLINE describes how the backup tackles got bitch-slapped on the artificial turf:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-backup-tackles-struggle-on-turf-b99331500z1-271550601.html

Silverstein says "Sherrod settled down and didn't allow any jail breaks after the first half." Not so, in fact Sherrod at RT got badly toasted by none other than Michael Sam. There is an entire article on the first openly gay sack:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24663852/michael-sam-records-first-career-sack-saturday-against-packers

[Bretsky]

And Sherrod gets beat again. Well done Sherry.

Yupper...plenty of that

[Bretsky]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
Bears officially have signed WR Santonio Holmes to a one-year contract and terminated contract of WR Eric Weems.


If you are a longtime Bear fan, are you relieved at how serious the team now takes offense or do you think they have lost their minds if they think the Defense is good enough to win?



Bears seem to be in the same struggle GB is in but IMO Green Bay is a solid notch above them

The Bears Offense is going to be stellar; they need their defense to be in the top fifteen to twenty range

Sound familiar ???

[Bretsky]

Linsley looked OK. Not sure if there is a backup Guard on the roster even though Taylor has gotten some praise in camp.

The second line blocked the run OK against the #2 defense. It looks better than last year.


I have read a lot about Linsley and am completely on board with being drunk the Homer Juice with this guy.

[Bretsky]

ugh, watching that game was like getting my teeth pulled

i really think this is the year i stop watching NFL games, i enjoyed all 4 of the english soccer games i watched today much more then this game

i saw like a handful of commercials at least 20 times, and all the fucking flags, my god i forgot how boring football is. its getting close to baseball territory now


I am SPEECHLESS

[Bretsky]

So is Elliott this year's UDFA OLB gem who won't make the team next year?


GREAT QUESTION HERE

I did not see the game yet but in between my parents fiftieth anniversary party and a friends forty B'Day party I listened to Packer Postgame.

Of serious debate was whether Nick Perry should have a spot on this roster

They noted he was brutal last night. One announcer felt his roster spot was guaranteed this yr cause he's our first round pick. The other feared we would cut ties and keep him. Neither thought he has shown enough to make the team

[Iron Mike]

Wait a minute, the Rams, don't they have that gay d-lineman? Sam?

Anybody see anything suspicious?

He got a lot of penetration into the backfield. :)

[bobblehead]

oh god damnit, this is a dome game?

gonna feel even less like a real game now

why the hell does st louis need a fucking dome for anyhow?

Keep out the rioters from Ferguson.

[bobblehead]

He also needs to fix whatever problems got him cleanly beat at right tackle.

I went back and watched his plays. It was a Newhousian performance: most of the time he did just fine, but then the breakdowns were dramatic. He got toasted 3 1/2 times in less than 3 quarters of play. That's Newhouse on his worst day.
Trying to figure out what game you were watching. The guy had a rough first series. Now, I haven't watched the 4th quarter, but he was pretty good after taht first series. Time will tell. You guys can have the bahk love. I don't see a significant difference between him and Sherrod atm.

[Joemailman]

GREAT QUESTION HERE

I did not see the game yet but in between my parents fiftieth anniversary party and a friends forty B'Day party I listened to Packer Postgame.

Of serious debate was whether Nick Perry should have a spot on this roster

They noted he was brutal last night. One announcer felt his roster spot was guaranteed this yr cause he's our first round pick. The other feared we would cut ties and keep him. Neither thought he has shown enough to make the team

I think it's all about attitude with Perry. He has the ability to be an effective player. One would have hoped that the signing of Peppers would have lit a fire under him. However, if just the opposite happened, if he's sulking because he won't be the starter, then you get rid of him. The one thing you don't want to do is keep people who don't want to be here.

[pbmax]

JSONLINE describes how the backup tackles got bitch-slapped on the artificial turf:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-backup-tackles-struggle-on-turf-b99331500z1-271550601.html

Silverstein says "Sherrod settled down and didn't allow any jail breaks after the first half." Not so, in fact Sherrod at RT got badly toasted by none other than Michael Sam. There is an entire article on the first openly gay sack:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24663852/michael-sam-records-first-career-sack-saturday-against-packers

Nice find, I did not see the Sam sack. That is the kind of move he had not been getting beat on before. And on that snap he looked like he did last week. Playing a little too high and with no leverage. Sam just dipped his shoulder after faking a bull rush and got the corner.

[pbmax]

Trying to figure out what game you were watching. The guy had a rough first series. Now, I haven't watched the 4th quarter, but he was pretty good after taht first series. Time will tell. You guys can have the bahk love. I don't see a significant difference between him and Sherrod atm.

That CBS video link from Harlan shows the sack he gave up late. I think they got Rettig.

On the plus side, he didn't lose him until very late and Rettig saw him coming. He had time to dump the ball. Its wasn't a jailbreak, but it also wasn't good.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Trying to figure out what game you were watching. The guy had a rough first series. Now, I haven't watched the 4th quarter, but he was pretty good after taht first series.

He had two complete breakdowns in first half, and one near miss. This against a backup. In 2nd half, he got abused by a practice squad level guy.

What we learned last week is Sherrod can play on a muddy field. He's good-to-go in a driving rainstorm.

There are a lot of games on fast turf. Sherrod is supposed to be the 6th man, he's on the field with any non-center injury.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That CBS video link from Harlan shows the sack he gave up late. I think they got Rettig.

It was Flynn, I think 3rd quarter but I could be wrong. Sherrod took a much needed seat on bench in 4th.

[pbmax]

It was Flynn, I think 3rd quarter but I could be wrong. Sherrod took a much needed seat on bench in 4th.

4th Quarter with 7:28 left. But it was Flynn (#10) who took the sack.

[Joemailman]

He had two complete breakdowns in first half, and one near miss. This against a backup. In 2nd half, he got abused by a practice squad level guy.

What we learned last week is Sherrod can play on a muddy field. He's good-to-go in a driving rainstorm.

There are a lot of games on fast turf. Sherrod is supposed to be the 6th man, he's on the field with any non-center injury.

Are you saying that you think Sam is a practice squad guy? I don't. He had 19 TFL playing in the SEC last year. He was considered to be a middle round pick before he came out. Not defending Sherrod here, but Rams got a steal by getting him in the 7th round.

I don't know if Sherrod is the 6th man. If one of the Guards go down, are they moving a Tackle there? Haven't seen any signs of that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Are you saying that you think Sam is a practice squad guy? I don't. He had 19 TFL playing in the SEC last year. He was considered to be a middle round pick before he came out. Not defending Sherrod here, but Rams got a steal by getting him in the 7th round.

I don't know if Sherrod is the 6th man. If one of the Guards go down, are they moving a Tackle there? Haven't seen any signs of that.

In googling for the Sam Sack, I found post-game articles skeptical that Sam will make roster. Practice squad sounds possible, who knows.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/sports/nfl/rams/2014/08/17/michael-sam-outplayed-by-competition-for-roster-spot/14192061/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2165555-michael-sam-doing-everything-right-but-it-might-not-be-enough-to-make-his-mark

I assume that the Packers will put the best 5 on field, which would mean moving Bach to guard if a guard goes down. At least that is true if Sherrod is best backup, but that may be in question.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Listening to Jason Wilde on the Mark Chmura Sunday morn radio show. Wilde says he expects the packers are panicked over the play of the backup tackles.

[Fritz]

Listening to Jason Wilde on the Mark Chmura Sunday morn radio show. Wilde says he expects the packers are panicked over the play of the backup tackles.

"Panicked"? That makes for good radio, but I don't think TT or MM are "panicked." "Panicked" is when you realize your wife has found the sexts from your mistress.

Are they thrilled with Sherrod or Adams today? I doubt that. But it is the second game - a preseason game - for a guy who hasn't played in nearly two years.

I think they'll try to get him to realize and correct the flaws that are causing this, and same with Adams, and also keep an eye on the waiver wire.

[pbmax]

Panic would have been understandable last year. Lost the best tackle to an injury and start two rookies.

Panic is not normally associated with backup tackles.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Panic is not normally associated with backup tackles.

It's hard to remember a year where a 6th lineman wasn't called upon to be a starter.

[red]

It's hard to remember a year where a 6th lineman wasn't called upon to be a starter.

especially when one starting tackle is names bulaga

i hope there is some panic about backup tackle, its kind of an important position. and based on what we saw yesterday, we don't have a competent backup

and yes, micheal sam is a practice squad player. him being gay might have been the one reason he even got drafted after how horrible he looked at the combine

[KYPack]

especially when one starting tackle is names bulaga

i hope there is some panic about backup tackle, its kind of an important position. and based on what we saw yesterday, we don't have a competent backup

and yes, micheal sam is a practice squad player. him being gay might have been the one reason he even got drafted after how horrible he looked at the combine

Looked like a typical lost rook to me. Got the sack, but that was about it.

It will take that kid a good bit of time to learn his role.

SEC or no, it's a big leap from college ball to a Greg Williams D system.

[pbmax]

I just don't get the same sense of desperation as last year from either the O or D lines.

On O, they have Tretter and Linsley, both perhaps better options than EDS though you expect growing pains and some blown assignments. I have seen only one from Tretter so far.

With Bulaga back its an obvious upgrade over last year. If you discount him because of injury concerns, I would rather have Sherrod than last year's version of Barclay at RT. I would also prefer this year's Sherrod over any year Newhouse.

Haven't seen much of the Guards because I have been transfixed by Sherrod. My sense is there is no obvious starter in the backups, though all Packer lineman seem to be run blocking better than previous iterations of the line. The bad side of this is that there are more pass blocking leaks in the last year plus 2 preseason games than before.

On D, there have been better run fits than in any of the last 3 years with the possible exception of early 2013. Jones has been clean to run to the ball and seems to be getting there and that is in part due to D line play. Jones and Daniels seem to belong starting and Boyd has looked good. Have watched more Peppers than Raji, so can't say much about how BJ has looked. Peppers finally showed something last night.

By size, they should miss Pickett and Jolly. But so far that doesn't look to be the case.

[Patler]

i hope there is some panic about backup tackle, its kind of an important position. and based on what we saw yesterday, we don't have a competent backup

True, but last week it looked like they might have two. It is probably somewhere in between, not as bad as this week, not as good as last week. Sherrod should have a lot of rust to get rid of. I am hopeful that he will progress into a competent backup no worse and probably somewhat better than Newhouse, and they played a lot of games with Newhouse in the starting lineup.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I finally watched the game. So much for the worries about Cobb. He looks fine. Looks like the beat writers were in panic mode for nothing. He did come back out of shape at the end of last year (which is understandable), but it's good to know that the injury will have no long-term affects on him.

[bobblehead]

He had two complete breakdowns in first half, and one near miss. This against a backup. In 2nd half, he got abused by a practice squad level guy.

What we learned last week is Sherrod can play on a muddy field. He's good-to-go in a driving rainstorm.

There are a lot of games on fast turf. Sherrod is supposed to be the 6th man, he's on the field with any non-center injury.

Yes, He got beat twice early on. I am not hailing him as the second coming, but it seems like with Bahk, the general attitude has been "yea, he gets beat bad twice a game, but is otherwise solid". With Sherrod its, dude got whooped twice, cut him. Neither guy is studly by any means. Bahk might be the better LT atm, might even be long term; however, only one has the skillset to become a very good LT someday.

I said in a post awhile back that with Bahk you get a scrapper who won't get totally BLOWN UP very often and a good run blocker, but he rarely stonewalls guys. With Sherrod, you get a guy who needs to work on technique, will get blown up occasionally as you work through the pains, but has the capability to stonewall guys. I can't be positive that Sherrod gets it eventually, but I am positive that Bahk isn't going to get taller, longer, and more massive. He also isn't suddenly going to develop great feet.

Sherrod was taken off guard by Sims, not a good thing by any means. He needs snaps. Thankfully he is getting them. For anyone who thinks he was god awful, rewatch ALL the game. He got beat 3 times counting sams. That is 2 more times than we consider acceptable. That also mean he won A LOT of battles. That is a FAR cry from being Marshall Newhouse.

[bobblehead]

With Bulaga back its an obvious upgrade over last year. If you discount him because of injury concerns, I would rather have Sherrod than last year's version of Barclay at RT. I would also prefer this year's Sherrod over any year Newhouse.
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This. I think people weren't watching our OL last season. Or generally don't, but are focused on Sherrod in a much different light. Honest truth, I think I would take this sherrod over last years Bahk in training camp, or any backup tackle I can recall recently.

I guess many long for the days of that tall dude that is in seattle now, or babre, or Daryn College at LT. Perhaps we should resign Newhouse? Or maybe TJ Lang should be the backup LT again...actually, I might be happier at this point if Lang were the starter with Bahk at guard.

I think many are way over estimating Bahk and at the same time expecting Sherrod to be Clifton+run blocking.

[Harlan Huckleby]

For anyone who thinks he was god awful, rewatch ALL the game. He got beat 3 times counting sams. That is 2 more times than we consider acceptable. That also mean he won A LOT of battles. That is a FAR cry from being Marshall Newhouse.

Actually that describes a Newhouse game. Newhouse won most of his battles too.

My problem with Sherry is that I have high expectations. He looks the part. My bar for him is that he should be pushing Bach for the starting job, anything less is unacceptable, as the stage mother would say.

[pbmax]

Actually that describes a Newhouse game. Newhouse won most of his battles too.

My problem with Sherry is that I have high expectations. He looks the part. My bar for him is that he should be pushing Bach for the starting job, anything less is unacceptable, as the stage mother would say.

Newhouse actually did win most of his battles. Problem was though, he would then stop and if it wasn't a quick hitter (and its often not with Rodgers) he would lose the second battle. In two of his three beats, Sherrod stuck with his man to slow him up and provide an escape angle.

There isn't a good way to get beat, but fighting until the end helps. He still needs to improve, take a better set and get lower or strike first. But I think he will still get better.

[Pugger]

We also have to remember Sherrod is most likely rusty as hell. He's seeing live action extensively for the first time in 2 years.

[gbgary]

We also have to remember Sherrod is most likely rusty as hell. He's seeing live action extensively for the first time in 2 years.

but he's been going against matthews in practice/camp. that's quite a test. most everyone else should be cake.

[3irty1]

The big difference between Sherrod and Newhouse is that when Newhouse got beat it was often inside. Much much worse!

[denverYooper]

Newhouse actually did win most of his battles. Problem was though, he would then stop and if it wasn't a quick hitter (and its often not with Rodgers) he would lose the second battle. In two of his three beats, Sherrod stuck with his man to slow him up and provide an escape angle.

There isn't a good way to get beat, but fighting until the end helps. He still needs to improve, take a better set and get lower or strike first. But I think he will still get better.

He seemed to have an issue adjusting to the wide DE at first and it looked like he was trying to process it on the fly. That, coupled with the faster track and the semi-unconventional attack angle from the DE might well have given him a lot to acclimate to right away. It was good to see that he didn't just become a basket case and it seemed like he settled down.

[Joemailman]

We also have to remember Sherrod is most likely rusty as hell. He's seeing live action extensively for the first time in 2 years.

That excuse only goes so far. Bulaga hadn't played in a football game since November 2012 and hasn't seemed to miss a beat.

[HarveyWallbangers]

True, but Bulaga has played a lot more NFL snaps, and Sherrod was said to be raw when he came in. We'll see. I'd really like to see Sherrod play well the next two weeks to make me feel better about the backup OT spot.

[bobblehead]

That CBS video link from Harlan shows the sack he gave up late. I think they got Rettig.

On the plus side, he didn't lose him until very late and Rettig saw him coming. He had time to dump the ball. Its wasn't a jailbreak, but it also wasn't good.

The difference between that sack, and Rodgers scramble for a first down early on wasn't the LT, it was the QB. Bahk was beaten around the outside similar to the way Sherrod was beaten. Difference was the guy with the football.

[bobblehead]

He had two complete breakdowns in first half, and one near miss. This against a backup. In 2nd half, he got abused by a practice squad level guy.

What we learned last week is Sherrod can play on a muddy field. He's good-to-go in a driving rainstorm.

There are a lot of games on fast turf. Sherrod is supposed to be the 6th man, he's on the field with any non-center injury.

He had 2 complete breakdowns after coming in cold. I'm not happy or excusing it, but he was pretty damn good after that. The Sams sack...well, i addressed that already. He was beaten, but not that badly.

[bobblehead]

Actually that describes a Newhouse game. Newhouse won most of his battles too.

My problem with Sherry is that I have high expectations. He looks the part. My bar for him is that he should be pushing Bach for the starting job, anything less is unacceptable, as the stage mother would say.

I watched everyone of Bahks snaps. I believe the seperation between him and Sherrod is not NEARLY what many here seem to think.

[bobblehead]

The big difference between Sherrod and Newhouse is that when Newhouse got beat it was often inside. Much much worse!

Well...I actually think that is Sherrods weakness at this point as well. He sets up to avoid it, and still might bet better, but its inside stuff that is a problem for him.

[Joemailman]

The difference between that sack, and Rodgers scramble for a first down early on wasn't the LT, it was the QB. Bahk was beaten around the outside similar to the way Sherrod was beaten. Difference was the guy with the football.

There was a lot going on with the Sam sack. Sherrod got beat. 2 Packer receivers seem to run into each other in the middle of the field about 7 yards upfield. They were wide open because it was 3rd and 19. After 3 seconds , the LT Adams gets beat which makes it impossible for Flynn to continue rolling left. Flynn should have thrown it to the guys in the middle of the field to set up an easier field goal. A lot to criticize on that play.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U-WZlGIydc

[HarveyWallbangers]

The difference between that sack, and Rodgers scramble for a first down early on wasn't the LT, it was the QB. Bahk was beaten around the outside similar to the way Sherrod was beaten. Difference was the guy with the football.

I saw the same thing. There's was another play where Bakhtiari was beaten, but Rodgers often makes up for bad blocking. Of course, Bakhtiari had to battle Robert Quinn. Going against a guy like that, I'd expect him to lose the occasional battle.

[smuggler]

Sherrod had a good chance to hold Sam on that play and probably should have. It was worse than you suggest, but Sam is a very lightweight DE and is supposed to be good around the edge.

[bobblehead]

I didn't suggest it wasn't bad, he got beat. Flynn had time to step up, throw it, ect, but he got beat. Bahk got beat as well. Bahk got beat on an early running play where RRodgers so effectively pinned his guy inside that Bahk getting beat was covered up.

My point isn't that Sherrod is the second coming, my point is that the gap from bahk to sherrod isn't clifton to newhouse. And of the 2 only 1 has the tools to become a TRUE NFL LT.