Pimps & Hoes- Bears, Act 1

[Tyrion Lannister]

Hoes:

Run D - Pathetic. DL couldn't eat blocks and LBs couldn't shed blocks. God forbid the Queens reactivate Adrian "Switch" Peterson on Thursday.

Hyde - Tackling is supposed to be this guy's strength. Missing too many tackles. Time to bench Hyde and play Ha-Ha full time.

House - It's not yet December. Grass of Solider Field is still in good shape. No excuses for slips.

Lacy - Averaged less than 3 yards a pop. Worthless as a receiver. Play DuJuan Harris, especially on 3rd downs.

Refs - Too many phantom calls.

Pimps:

Rodgers - Played loose and relaxed.

Nelson and Cobb - 17 of Rodgers 22 completions went to this dynamic duo.

Cutler - Nice picks.

[pbmax]

Everyone was slipping. Jordy went down to. Equipment failure.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Please tell me someone else noticed the very first offensive play of the game...they had a nice camera shot on Lacy's big fat gut hanging as he was bent over. He needs to be sat on the bench. I can't believe that instead of developing his body, he spent the offseason eating his moms fired cooking. He looks completely slow and out of shape. Time for Starks. Also, Richard Rodgers looks like Nick Perry trying to run routes...bench his fat ass too. Put Bostick in.

[George Cumby]

Hub Arkush was dissing the field is his after action report.

[King Friday]

That turf at Soldier Field has been horse shit for some time. I'm just glad we played there in September and not November.

Lacy is killing this offense. He looks considerably slower than he did last year. At this point, he's Ron Dayne 2.0 and that is not helping this offense. McCarthy noted that Lacy needed to get better. He did not this week. It will be interesting to see how the coach dances around that this week. He'll probably be very glad it is a Thursday night game.

Pimps - Rodgers, Nelson, Cobb, Hawk
Hoes - House, Daniels, Lacy, Peppers

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lacy - Averaged less than 3 yards a pop. Worthless as a receiver. Play DuJuan Harris, especially on 3rd downs.

From watching parts of many NFL games this week and focusing on the RBs, Lacy is the slowest back of the bunch. He's worse than the backups. It's obvious, everybody sees it.

Lacy takes big hits, he's a tough runner who will probably have a short career.

I disagree that he can't catch the football, he's passable.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Time for Starks. Also, Richard Rodgers looks like Nick Perry trying to run routes...bench his fat ass too. Put Bostick in.

I think you are exaggerating Rodger's limitation. But there is some very puzzling stubbornness keeping Bostick and Starks on pines.

[Joemailman]

Studs: (Pimps are not real men)

Rodgers: Now I can R-E-L-A-X.

Jordy: Another great game. Team MVP so far.

Cobb: That's what we're talking about.

HHCD: Awesome goal line tackle against a guy that outweighs him by 50-60 pounds saved a touchdown.

Slocum: 0 punt return yards given up today.

Duds:

Lacy: Looks s-l-o-w.

Guion and Daniels: Can you at least slow those guys down?

Hyde: Problem is, he couldn't.

[denverYooper]

You guys need to settle down on Lacy. He's their best back in pass pro and he can catch. The one miss he had there was on Rodgers.

You'll be thanking God for him when the skies of November turn gloomy.

[denverYooper]

Richard Rodgers had one of the greatest plays of the game, hustling downfield to paste a defender on Cobb's 46 yard reception in the 4th Q.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You guys need to settle down on Lacy. He's their best back in pass pro and he can catch. The one miss he had there was on Rodgers.

You'll be thanking God for him when the skies of November turn gloomy.

I think you may be right on first part. But theory that Lacy will be better in cold weather is baloney. Modern football fields (that would be anywhere but Soldier Field) have good footing year round. Lacy won't be any quicker in winter. That was 20 years ago when passing game shut down in bad weather, and big backs ground through the frozen ground and snow.

MM using just one back yesterday was ridiculous, particularly a guy who is struggling.

[mission]

I think Lacy just probably came into camp out of shape... how else could he look slower? He'll play his way into shape and be churning some yards soon.

Also don't remember anyone saying anything during the preseason when he was basically unstoppable his 1 drive per game. What's the difference? Tretter and Linsley. The rookie isn't playing poorly, but he's not moving anyone off the ball on run plays. Tretter was in there during the preseason.

[mission]

Linsley also had the worst PFF offensive grade for the Packers yesterday.

[run pMc]

Interesting point, mission. True, Lacy did look better in preseason. Is that from facing vanilla defenses? No idea.
I was thinking maybe McCarthy was trying to play Lacy into shape, or save Starks for Thursday's fight vs. Minny.

The no-huddle does limit substitutions, so that might be part of it. Starks doesn't always show good hands or blocking in the passing game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"playing into shape"

Pro football players don't play into shape during regular season. Lacy is not going to get quicker. How did he look better in preseason if he is only now playing into shape?

[denverYooper]

"playing into shape"

Pro football players don't play into shape during regular season. Lacy is not going to get quicker. How did he look better in preseason if he is only now playing into shape?

Guys always lose mass over the course of the season. Linemen always bulk up and drop a bunch of weight. There's a non-slim chance that the staff asked him to come in at a certain weight knowing he would be where they want in the latter half of the season when they would need him at his best. If they truly were disappointed over his size coming in, he would not be playing as much.

[Zool]

Richard Rodgers had one of the greatest plays of the game, hustling downfield to paste a defender on Cobb's 46 yard reception in the 4th Q.

http://instagram.com/p/tgG0LSpkAi/

[Rutnstrut]

I think calling it pimps and hoes is stupid as hell, so...

Studs- Rodgers, Jordy, Cobb, and last but far from least Hawk, about the only one that can tackle well on a regular basis.

Duds- Run D, Capers, Stubby (just because I want to see Starks get some time), the NFL for not drug testing the officials.

[Rutnstrut]

I personally think the deal with Lacy is 2 things. 1- Stubby doesn't know how to use him, and B- I think Lacy may have backed off slightly fearing injury/more concussions.

[VegasPackFan]

I have to agree with Mission and was thinking the same thing about Lacy. He looked all world in the pre-season. The only thing that I can think of is the concussion? Is he playing scared at this point? You don't get in WORSE shape after pre-season and he looked great then.

[Tony Oday]

Studs: AR, Nelson, Pass Protection, Mastay

Duds: Lacy, Lacy, Lacy, Defensive front 7, MM, Slocum, Brad Jones, House, basically the entire defense except for maybe 3 plays which is usually enough against Cutler if AR is on.

Terrible game for the Pack on Defense. Just bad. I know mid season trades are not the norm but we need NFL Caliber block eaters. This front 7 is terrible. CMIII is playing and looking hurt, Peppers is getting better at the stand up position and I liked Lattimore actually playing down hill SOME plays. Hawk looked terrible except when his helmet fell of 37.6 times this game, get a damn chin strap sloth.

Offense was AR throwing the ball and Jordy making plays. Cobb had a big game but missed a pass in the redzone that he should have caught. Lacy is pathetic when he tries to dance, on cut and hit the freaking hole! Starks needs the looks here in my opinion. He isnt getting the looks so he must have kicked MMs dog or something. Adams looked passable, R2 looked ok as a TE but needs time.

Refs: WHAT THE HELL. Seriously I think we came out on top of the phantom calls however they were worse than the replacement guys. Did they have a couple of pitchers in the parking lot before the game?

In the battle of two middling teams we out middled the Bears. I have no doubt the Vikes can route the Pack next week with Asiata and McKinnon against our girlscouts in the middle.

[Tyrion Lannister]

I disagree that he can't catch the football, he's passable.

Lacy doesn't seem to run any routes other than that 2 yards up the middle route after chipping a defender. He's slow after the catch. Like Kuhn, Lacy doesn't scare any MLB as a receiver.

With Harris, it's eight yards a pop at minimum. Harris would make a good 3rd down back, a la Sproles.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Studs: AR, Nelson, Pass Protection, Mastay

Duds: Lacy, Lacy, Lacy, Defensive front 7, MM, Slocum, Brad Jones, House, basically the entire defense except for maybe 3 plays which is usually enough against Cutler if AR is on.

Terrible game for the Pack on Defense. Just bad. I know mid season trades are not the norm but we need NFL Caliber block eaters. This front 7 is terrible. CMIII is playing and looking hurt, Peppers is getting better at the stand up position and I liked Lattimore actually playing down hill SOME plays. Hawk looked terrible except when his helmet fell of 37.6 times this game, get a damn chin strap sloth.

Offense was AR throwing the ball and Jordy making plays. Cobb had a big game but missed a pass in the redzone that he should have caught. Lacy is pathetic when he tries to dance, on cut and hit the freaking hole! Starks needs the looks here in my opinion. He isnt getting the looks so he must have kicked MMs dog or something. Adams looked passable, R2 looked ok as a TE but needs time.

Refs: WHAT THE HELL. Seriously I think we came out on top of the phantom calls however they were worse than the replacement guys. Did they have a couple of pitchers in the parking lot before the game?

In the battle of two middling teams we out middled the Bears. I have no doubt the Vikes can route the Pack next week with Asiata and McKinnon against our girlscouts in the middle.

Masthay a pimp, err, stud? All he did was hold for fgs/pats.

I think the Packers need an awesome ILB more than they need a fat, block eater.

[Tony Oday]

Ray Lewis was considered on his way down until Ngata was drafted and started eating blockers.

Mathay was a Stud since he DIDN'T have to punt, tongue and cheek there, I also Blamed Brad Jones ;)

[Tyrion Lannister]

Ray Lewis was considered on his way down until Ngata was drafted and started eating blockers.

Mathay was a Stud since he DIDN'T have to punt, tongue and cheek there, I also Blamed Brad Jones ;)

Urlacher never had a Ngata, and he was awesome.

I subscribe to the theory that any competent fat man could eat blocks. An awesome ILB like Urlacher, Willis and that guy in Carolina would make any defense fierce to the bone.

[Tony Oday]

Urlacher never had a Ngata, and he was awesome.

I subscribe to the theory that any competent fat man could eat blocks. An awesome ILB like Urlacher, Willis and that guy in Carolina would make any defense fierce to the bone.

Im not going to look it up but always seemed to me that the Bears had a solid front 4.

[denverYooper]

Im not going to look it up but always seemed to me that the Bears had a solid front 4.

Peppers, Tommie Harris, Adams, Idonije. No group of slouches.

[3irty1]

Hopefully the offense continues shaking off their rust. The offense only looks like its running about about 70% right now, despite what the scoreboard says. If the Bears aren't shooting themselves in the foot with a chain fed weapon of incompetence, this is a close game. With some help from the refs, the bears consistently found ways to bail us out.

Rodgers and Jordy were studs. I appreciate a guy who catches nothing but TD's but I didn't think that guy would be Cobb. I'd still like to see him more involved, breaking tackles, and not leaving plays on the field. It may seem like a harsh evaluation but I think his play still seems like one of the most likely ways for this team to improve. This week was a big improvment for him but he's got a lot more potential IMO.

Lacy's performance is disappointing but I don't think the problem is with his conditioning or his fear of injury. I'd like to see how many yards he has after first contact, he's hit way too often in the backfield and has to bounce things outside that aren't designed to go outside. A lot of the success he's had are in designed cutbacks. He looks like a giant Brandon Jackson right now, both the good and the bad. He's completely displaced Kuhn as a pass blocker. I need to watch the all-22 to get some different angles.

I'm surprised to see as many laments for the defense. You'd never guess it from just watching the Bears/Packers matchups but the Bears have what is widely considered a great offense. Easily the best we've faced. Our defense took advantage of every mistake they made and I was extremely impressed with their performance holding Chicago to a field goal in the beginning of the 2nd quarter. I don't think anybody thought Chicago wasn't getting into the endzone after that PI call led to first and goal at the 1. It took 5 good plays to make that stand against a team with two enormous top 10 WR and a top 5 RB. I understand its frustrating to watch them put Bennett and Forte into the probowl but the stat that matters is points and the Packers held this offense to well below its average PPG.

Tramon Williams is having a great year and we have an embarrassment of riches at corner in general. Datone Jones looks better each week, I'm starting to see why he was a first round pick.

[Rutnstrut]

3irty1, do you really think the Bears offense is better than Seattle's?

[3irty1]

3irty1, do you really think the Bears offense is better than Seattle's?

Yes.

After Denver, the Bears were secretly a distant 2nd in the league in points last year despite Cutler missing 5 games. Most Packer fans have a very skewed picture of Jay Cutler because Capers has always had Cutler's number. The rest of the world thinks enough of him to give him the 6th best MVP odds in Vegas, tied with Kaepernick and Wilson. The rest of that offense speaks for itself. Its the best WR tandem in football and also a top 5 running back. They are clearly much better than Seattle's offense.

[Zool]

http://smokinjaycutler.tumblr.com/

http://38.media.tumblr.com/8d2482be1ec4f8019aefadd963a48021/tumblr_ncmcbtHAZz1rge9rdo1_500.jpg

[Zool]

Jay's not bad, but you're not going to win the SB with just him. He's a headcase and benefits from the rules of today.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

58-50 as a starter, but Trestman looks to have him going in the right direction. Maybe he'll figure it out late in his career. I doubt it. He'll put up numbers, but make the crucial mistake.

[Joemailman]

Tauscher mentioned yesterday that maybe Lacy is affected by the fact that the Packers are using the shotgun so much. I think what he was referring to is that he is sometimes almost stationary when he takes the handoff because he is lining up so close to Rodgers. Does Lacy because he's heavier than the other backs need the momentum he gets from taking a couple of steps before he takes the handoff?

[Rutnstrut]

Tauscher mentioned yesterday that maybe Lacy is affected by the fact that the Packers are using the shotgun so much. I think what he was referring to is that he is sometimes almost stationary when he takes the handoff because he is lining up so close to Rodgers. Does Lacy because he's heavier than the other backs need the momentum he gets from taking a couple of steps before he takes the handoff?

I really do think that's a big part of it, of course this would be stubby not using him properly. But that shouldn't be a surprise since it seems to be this coaching staffs way to never flex the scheme to the talent of the player.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jay's not bad, but you're not going to win the SB with just him. He's a headcase and benefits from the rules of today.

I think the "head case" thing with Cutler is totally a media creation. He looks droopy, has a dour affect. That's what you see on TV, that's the only odd thing about the guy. He's resourceful and tough. He does throw some Favresque picks.

I respect his toughness. He clearly does not give a damn what anybody thinks about him, he doesn't do the usual phony talk in interviews. The guy is a type I diabetic who has to shoot insulin everyday, that is a pretty major health problem for an athlete to overcome. His teammates, the people who know what he is actually like, back him to hilt.

[Guiness]

I think the "head case" thing with Cutler is totally a media creation. He looks droopy, has a dour affect. That's what you see on TV, that's the only odd thing about the guy. He's resourceful and tough. He does throw some Favresque picks.

I respect his toughness. He clearly does not give a damn what anybody thinks about him, he doesn't do the usual phony talk in interviews. The guy is a type I diabetic who has to shoot insulin everyday, that is a pretty major health problem for an athlete to overcome. His teammates, the people who know what he is actually like, back him to hilt.

That's crazy talk HH. He's a bear, dammit! Get your head straight, or next thing you'll be talking about what a great human being Urlacher is!

[Harlan Huckleby]

MAdtown might suspend my account.

[Pugger]

I have to agree with Mission and was thinking the same thing about Lacy. He looked all world in the pre-season. The only thing that I can think of is the concussion? Is he playing scared at this point? You don't get in WORSE shape after pre-season and he looked great then.

It is difficult for Lacy to look good when he is greeted by tacklers behind the LOS. MM is using him incorrectly. Don't toss him the rock 4 yards behind the LOS out of the shotgun and instead put Kuhn or a TE in there and let Eddie get into the secondary and knock some heads. IMO the O line has been very poor run blocking so far this season. Lacy is running hard but has no hole to shoot thru.

[Pugger]

Yes.

After Denver, the Bears were secretly a distant 2nd in the league in points last year despite Cutler missing 5 games. Most Packer fans have a very skewed picture of Jay Cutler because Capers has always had Cutler's number. The rest of the world thinks enough of him to give him the 6th best MVP odds in Vegas, tied with Kaepernick and Wilson. The rest of that offense speaks for itself. Its the best WR tandem in football and also a top 5 running back. They are clearly much better than Seattle's offense.

Forte is an excellent back, their TE is no slouch and they have arguably the best WR duo in the league. Happily they still have Cutlet. Jay has a strong arm but all of his talents are from the neck down.

[Harlan Huckleby]

IMO the O line has been very poor run blocking so far this season. Lacy is running hard but has no hole to shoot thru.

When Starks gets 0 carries it is hard to say.

Last week Starks looked better than Lacy.

We'll see Thursday! Thursday! Thursday!

[Zool]

I think the "head case" thing with Cutler is totally a media creation. He looks droopy, has a dour affect. That's what you see on TV, that's the only odd thing about the guy. He's resourceful and tough. He does throw some Favresque picks.

I respect his toughness. He clearly does not give a damn what anybody thinks about him, he doesn't do the usual phony talk in interviews. The guy is a type I diabetic who has to shoot insulin everyday, that is a pretty major health problem for an athlete to overcome. His teammates, the people who know what he is actually like, back him to hilt.

He throws INTs in bunches.

[Fritz]

So I hear that Nick Perry was pretty invisible against the Bears, that Pennel was only a slight upgrade over Guion, and that House sucked?

And is Casey Hayward still invisible? Dude hasn't done shit yet.

[Guiness]

So I hear that Nick Perry was pretty invisible against the Bears, that Pennel was only a slight upgrade over Guion, and that House sucked?

And is Casey Hayward still invisible? Dude hasn't done shit yet.

As mentioned by someone else, Hayward being invisible is a good thing. If he was on the field, his man was not getting targeted and he didn't get beat for a big completion. House, who you did hear about, is the concern. I'll give him a pass for falling on his ass in the endzone allowing a TD, (there were a lot of players falling all over the place) but he was at the center of a couple of other big plays.

Overall, I'm not concerned about the secondary. It was Forte getting 7 yards on first down that worries me.

[KYPack]

So I hear that Nick Perry was pretty invisible against the Bears, that Pennel was only a slight upgrade over Guion, and that House sucked?

And is Casey Hayward still invisible? Dude hasn't done shit yet.

Perry played a bit. Overall, it was disappointing that he made little contribution. We needed him to play well to give Claymat a break with Clay's groin acting up. He played a bit and actually had a few strong pass rushes, but he really isn't delivering the goods.

Pennel is strong, but way green. He must learn how to be violent with his hands. He gets caught up in hand fighting with his opponent and can't get off the line. He might be a factor sometime, but probably not this season. We will probably have to give him more snaps bc Guion is no factor, either.

House showed some hustle, but I think it was on ST.

Hayward? Where did that kid go anyhow?

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://media.sportsradio1250.com/a/97326729/09-29-14-eric-baranczyk-on-the-bill-michaels-show.htm?pageid=911297

Eric Baranczyk breaks down defense

[Joemailman]

http://media.sportsradio1250.com/a/97326729/09-29-14-eric-baranczyk-on-the-bill-michaels-show.htm?pageid=911297

Eric Baranczyk breaks down defense

Baranczyk really taking Clay Matthews to task for being undisciplined in the run defense.

[Fritz]

http://media.sportsradio1250.com/a/97326729/09-29-14-eric-baranczyk-on-the-bill-michaels-show.htm?pageid=911297

Eric Baranczyk breaks down defense

You mean, "Defense Breaks down: Eric Baranczyk"

He's either taking Matthews to task for playing out of control, or he's taking Capers and MM to task for encouraging Matthews to freelance.

[pbmax]

Baranczyk really taking Clay Matthews to task for being undisciplined in the run defense.

He has been horrible in the 4-3. I think this may be trouble down the road if they stick with this plan. I don't think Clay is excited about being it the middle. He may not choose to adapt and simply prefer to return outside.

[Fritz]

Well, so far this 4-3 ain't working, so they either get Matthews to buy in and play it right, or they ditch the damn thing.

[denverYooper]

Well, so far this 4-3 ain't working, so they either get Matthews to buy in and play it right, or they ditch the damn thing.

They've gotten better vs the pass, so there's that.

[Rutnstrut]

He has been horrible in the 4-3. I think this may be trouble down the road if they stick with this plan. I don't think Clay is excited about being it the middle. He may not choose to adapt and simply prefer to return outside.

Are you suggesting the almighty Clay isn't a team player? I still think he's over rated and over payed.

[pbmax]

Are you suggesting the almighty Clay isn't a team player? I still think he's over rated and over payed.

He has never been tested like this. And I don't believe we can discern a players actual personality or character through media coverage. I have no idea how he will react. Unlike Kampman, he can't be one and done.

However, the more likely scenario is that the Packers play him more at OLB/Elephant than force it. If for no other reason than Peppers isn't going to be hear for the length of CMIII's contract. And I still think the Packers and the coaches value him more than you might and will want him to be in a position to succeed if he continues to struggle.