Raiders Fire Dennis Allen

[MadScientist]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/29/report-dennis-allen-fired-by-raiders/

Early firing, but the Raiders really sucked.

McKenzie needs to do well with his next coach, or he will be out as well.

[Joemailman]

This was predictable with Raiders heading into bye week. Tony Sporano probably takes over .

[Carolina_Packer]

This was predictable with Raiders heading into bye week. Tony Sporano probably takes over .

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/30/report-tony-sparano-wont-be-raiders-interim-coach/

Perhaps not. Who wants it?

[ThunderDan]

Tough to fire your coach this early. There is now one out there right now at the beginning of the year. Who would want that job?

[Carolina_Packer]

I hear Brady Hoke might be available soon.

[smuggler]

Is Dennis Allen a good DC? Might be a candidate for our vacancy in the offseason.

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapaport speculating that Jon Gruden would be Raiders first choice as permanent coach once season is over. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000403292/article/jon-gruden-could-get-first-look-in-raiders-search

[Guiness]

So all that bashing of the AP reporter was off base after all. I suspect he knew something, realized he let the cat out of the bag and retracted to protect his source.

[Tony Oday]

Good god they give him crap, everyone knew they would suck this year, and still fired him?

[KYPack]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/29/report-dennis-allen-fired-by-raiders/

Early firing, but the Raiders really sucked.

McKenzie needs to do well with his next coach, or he will be out as well.

Reggie M appears to be the weakest branch of TT's GM tree.

He had an uphill battle getting rid of all the bad Al Davis contracts, but his acquisitions don't appear to be prizes.

McKenzie seemed to veer from TT's battle plan and dipped in FA in a foolish manner.

Charlie Weis is available Reggie, why not go down in flames with a super bad hire?

[George Cumby]

It sure doesn't look as though RM picked up on TT's Stay The Course and develop from within philosophy, does it?

[MadScientist]

It sure doesn't look as though RM picked up on TT's Stay The Course and develop from within philosophy, does it?

TT was a little more flexible early with Woodson and Pickett added, after the bad contracts were cleared. TT at least had all his draft choices to work with. RM was screwed with poor talent, bad contracts and missing a bunch of draft picks from bad trades. Now is the time that not having a #1 in 2011 and #1 & #2 in 2012 is really coming back to bite them.

RM hasn't helped himself by making bad choices with what he did have to work with, so he is clearly on thin ice.

[KYPack]

TT was a little more flexible early with Woodson and Pickett added, after the bad contracts were cleared. TT at least had all his draft choices to work with. RM was screwed with poor talent, bad contracts and missing a bunch of draft picks from bad trades. Now is the time that not having a #1 in 2011 and #1 & #2 in 2012 is really coming back to bite them.

RM hasn't helped himself by making bad choices with what he did have to work with, so he is clearly on thin ice.

The Carson Palmer trade jumps out as a lame move on Reggie's part. It seemed that then HC Hue Jackson had a big influence on that trade, but it's still up to the GM to pull the trigger. Reggie was the captain of the ship that hit the sand bar on that deal.

[Joemailman]

The Carson Palmer trade jumps out as a lame move on Reggie's part. It seemed that then HC Hue Jackson had a big influence on that trade, but it's still up to the GM to pull the trigger. Reggie was the captain of the ship that hit the sand bar on that deal.

That wasn't Reggie's deal. That deal was made in 2011. McKenzie wasn't hired as GM until January 2012. That deal was mostly Hue Jackson's deal who was the de facto GM at the time.

[KYPack]

That wasn't Reggie's deal. That deal was made in 2011. McKenzie wasn't hired as GM until January 2012. That deal was mostly Hue Jackson's deal who was the de facto GM at the time.

Yer right, OH Mailman.

He's only been there since 2012, but he's had his share of screw-ups since then.

Let's start with the Matt twins at QB. Flynn and Schaub, 14 mil or so right down the dumper on that pair.

Reggie's got to rally or he'll be toast soon, like the off season.

[Joemailman]

Yer right, OH Mailman.

He's only been there since 2012, but he's had his share of screw-ups since then.

Let's start with the Matt twins at QB. Flynn and Schaub, 14 mil or so right down the dumper on that pair.

Reggie's got to rally or he'll be toast soon, like the off season.

You're right there. Wolf hired Holmgren and traded for Favre. Thompson drafted Rodgers and hired McCarthy. There are some things you can get wrong and still be a successful GM. But you have to get the head coach and the quarterback right.

[Guiness]

Yup, RM is in some do-do there. Agreed that he had to sort out an incredible mess, but most of what he's touched hasn't turned out too wonderfully either. He didn't overpay for Palmer, but was in charge of the brigade that got rid of him when they had nothing else in place. And he's doing not badly in Arizona.

He better hope they don't have to rally this season, because I don't see it happening with that crew. Dolphins QB looked like an all-worlder against them.

[denverYooper]

You're right there. Wolf hired Holmgren and traded for Favre. Thompson drafted Rodgers and hired McCarthy. There are some things you can get wrong and still be a successful GM. But you have to get the head coach and the quarterback right.

Schneider paid Flynn and drafted Wilson. It's nice for him that Wilson turned out to be a stud.

Dorsey traded for Alex Smith.

Stability at the QB position is the first priority for all of these guys. McKenzie keeps striking out on that account.

[Joemailman]

Schneider paid Flynn and drafted Wilson. It's nice for him that Wilson turned out to be a stud.

Dorsey traded for Alex Smith.

Stability at the QB position is the first priority for all of these guys. McKenzie keeps striking out on that account.

Well, we don't know if he's struck out with Derek Carr. There will be a push for McKenzie to hire Gruden as coach, but he should hire a coach who can develop his young quarterback.

[smuggler]

Isn't Jon Gruden supposed to be a bit of a QB guru?

[Carolina_Packer]

Isn't Jon Gruden supposed to be a bit of a QB guru?

Not according to his former QB Shaun King: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/19/shaun-king-points-out-gruden-doesnt-actually-develop-young-quarterbacks/

[KYPack]

It's Sporano. (Don't eat the onion rings, Tony)

This is interesting in that supposedly Mark (baby Al) Davis preferred Al Saunders.

The ice may be getting thinner.

[pbmax]

Is Dennis Allen a good DC? Might be a candidate for our vacancy in the offseason.

I think he used to be an OC, not DC.

[pbmax]

Isn't Jon Gruden supposed to be a bit of a QB guru?

He has done best with vets he resurrects (Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon).

[VegasPackFan]

McKenzie has done just as bad of a job as Allen and should probably be let go as well. He drafted a DJ Hayden last year in the 1st round I think? Guy had major heart issues and has hardly played to date. The Matt Flynn/Matt Schaub moves were horrendous. Neither ends up playing more than a game? Re-signing McFadden to a 1 year contract and bringing in MJD on a FA deal.

Also, how does an team clearly re-building end up with oldest average age in the NFL? He should go just for that.

Allen was supposed to be a good DC, so NO! WE DONT WANT THAT!! Their D is putrid. That is probably both the GM and HC on that. They need to clear house entirely.

[Joemailman]

Mike Holmgren visited Raiders. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000406634/article/holmgren-visited-raiders-probably-wont-coach-them

[Tyrion Lannister]

The Raiders' next head coach will be....

Darell Bevell.

You read it here first. :)

[Freak Out]

The Raiders' next head coach will be....

Darell Bevell.

You read it here first. :)

That would not surprise me at all....wait...its the Raiders so they will fuck it up again.

[Guiness]

I've seen Josh McDaniels mentioned. Hey Zeus, that would be a hot mess.