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Maxie the Taxi
10-09-2014, 09:39 AM
http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/jayroneelliottpackers.html

TT bringing Peppers to the Packers was a brilliant move for more reasons than the obvious.

Talk about a wakeup call.


To get better, Elliott is leaning on Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers – men he looked up to coming in to the league, and now teammates he looks to as mentors. Matthews has helped him with alignment, reading the stances of linemen to anticipate protection, and which shoulder to attack to better cause disruption.


And Peppers has shown him new ways to approach film study, asking questions of Moss and Capers that only a 13-year veteran could even think of.


Rasheed says it's the best environment for a sponge like Elliott, who peppered with him questions daily at Toledo.


"He's going to watch those guys," Rasheed said. "There is no (better) tool for him than to have those two great, future Hall of Famers in the same room with him. If he can just hang on and learn from those guys he'll have a really good chance to be a great player in the NFL. Having those two guys? That's a dream come true, to sit back and learn from the best."

Cheesehead Craig
10-09-2014, 10:50 AM
And Peppers has shown him new ways to approach film study, asking questions of Moss and Capers that only a 13-year veteran could even think of.

That is big. I think that he's challenging Capers as well and maybe even making Dom change some things that he does. Perhaps that is part of the reason for the defense's improvement over the past few games.

Maxie the Taxi
10-09-2014, 01:30 PM
I have high hopes for Elliott. He really could become an All Pro if he continues to work at it and doesn't slip back into lazy mode. Being around Mathews and Peppers is the best thing for him. It's really too bad Kevin Greene isn't around anymore. Elliott is exactly the type of kid Greene could take under his wing.

Harlan Huckleby
10-09-2014, 02:12 PM
Elliott is exactly the type of kid Greene could take under his wing.

In the end, didn't most of Greene's linebackers washout?

I'm not saying you are wrong that Greene was a good coach, but I think the ability to "coach up" players might be a bit mythological.
Guess it's time to look-up the outside linebackers during Greene's era, 2009-13

Harlan Huckleby
10-09-2014, 02:26 PM
I probably got a couple inside linebackers mixed in, but I think all these guys got a sniff of the Greene School of Famous Outside Linebacking:

Jeremy Thompson - DE/LB Wake Forest 2008-09
Spencer Havner - TE/LB UCLA 2008-10
Brandon Chillar - UCLA 2008-10 34
Cyril Obiozor - Texas A&M 2009
Brad Jones - Colorado 2009-14
Clay Matthews - Southern California 2009-14
Maurice Simpkins - Coastal Carolina 2010
Diyral Briggs - Bowling Green 2010
Frank Zombo - Central Michigan 2010-12
Erik Walden - Middle Tennessee State 2010-12
Robert Francois - Boston College 2010-13
Mike Neal - LB/DE Purdue 2010-14
Vic So'oto - Brigham Young 2011-12
Jamari Lattimore - Middle Tennessee State 2011-14
Dezman Moses - Tulane 2012
Nick Perry - Southern California 2012-14
Victor Aiyewa - Washington 2013
Nate Palmer - Illinois State 2013
Andy Mulumba - Eastern Michigan 2013-14

3irty1
10-09-2014, 02:46 PM
D.J. Williams was a tight end

Fritz
10-09-2014, 03:05 PM
I probably got a couple inside linebackers mixed in, but I think all these guys got a sniff of the Greene School of Famous Outside Linebacking:

Jeremy Thompson - DE/LB Wake Forest 2008-09
Spencer Havner - TE/LB UCLA 2008-10
Brandon Chillar - UCLA 2008-10 34
Cyril Obiozor - Texas A&M 2009
Brad Jones - Colorado 2009-14
Clay Matthews - Southern California 2009-14
Maurice Simpkins - Coastal Carolina 2010
Diyral Briggs - Bowling Green 2010
Frank Zombo - Central Michigan 2010-12
Erik Walden - Middle Tennessee State 2010-12
Robert Francois - Boston College 2010-13
Mike Neal - LB/DE Purdue 2010-14
D.J. Williams - Arkansas 2011-12
Vic So'oto - Brigham Young 2011-12
Lattimore, Jamari - Middle Tennessee State 2011-14
Dezman Moses - Tulane 2012
Nick Perry - Southern California 2012-14
Victor Aiyewa - Washington 2013
Nate Palmer - Illinois State 2013
Andy Mulumba - Eastern Michigan 2013-14



Wow. There's a myth-busting list.

channtheman
10-09-2014, 03:10 PM
Ahh Spencer Havner. Thanks for bringing back some good memories. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2PBbNXXlKE

Harlan Huckleby
10-09-2014, 03:31 PM
As I look at the list, Clay Matthews was a stud right away as a rookie. Greene no doubt honed his skills.

Probably Frank Zombo over-performed under Greene, that's a plus.

Neal and Perry are playing pretty well in 2014, but I can't give Greene any cred there.

I'm not being critical of Kevin Greene, I just don't think he turned a lot of water into wine because coaches only improve at the margins.

Maxie the Taxi
10-09-2014, 03:34 PM
I don't think the myth is busted....maybe just a bit inflated. That's a fair list. I wish we had one or two of them still. Walden and Zombo are starters somewhere, aren't they? I always like Havner and Moses.

You have to look to the half full side of the glass. Without Greene's tutelage most on the list might not have made it on the roster. ;)

call_me_ishmael
10-10-2014, 09:54 AM
I have high hopes for Elliott. He really could become an All Pro if he continues to work at it and doesn't slip back into lazy mode. Being around Mathews and Peppers is the best thing for him. It's really too bad Kevin Greene isn't around anymore. Elliott is exactly the type of kid Greene could take under his wing.

All-pro is probably a stretch. He could someday maybe become a contributor.