Official Buffalo Bills Game Discussion

[pbmax]

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy on Eddie Lacy's hip injury: I don't have high concern. He'll know more tomorrow morning. #Packers

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy: Winning in December is important and winning in December is difficult.

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy on James Starks: He's played a lot of excellent football for us, I thought last night was one of his best.

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy: Very impressed w/ Buffalo. Their defensive front is outstanding. This is going to be one of our biggest challenges on the road.

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy on #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: He's playing the best football of his career, in my opinion.

Green Bay Packers @packers · 5h 5 hours ago
McCarthy: Buffalo is a tough place to play. This will be a big challenge for our guys. They'll be ready. #Packers

[digitaldean]

The D-Line for Buffalo is like Detroit's. If our D doesn't learn from Monday night, Fred Jackson and Sammy Watkins will make Orton look like an All-Pro.

[mraynrand]

The D-Line for Buffalo is like Detroit's. If our D doesn't learn from Monday night, Fred Jackson and Sammy Watkins will make Orton look like an All-Pro.

Packers have done that before - unfortunately.

[Freak Out]

This is going to be a tough game....than again maybe not? What team shows up?

[Cheesehead Craig]

I love the questions the reporters ask like: "Tell us your thoughts on Rodgers". Seriously? MM should just dismiss some of these questions with their stupidity.

[denverYooper]

Packers have done that before - unfortunately.

Yeah, but this time they won't have Favre throwing gimmes to Urlacher.

[pbmax]

Shields hurt his shoulder versus Falcons. Being evaluated.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/mike-mccarthy-offers-no-insight-into-julio-jones-big-night-b99405548z1-285303181.html


There's no indication House is replacing Shields at cornerback. House was being tested Tuesday to determine the extent of a shoulder injury he suffered in the game.

[Joemailman]

The D-Line for Buffalo is like Detroit's. If our D doesn't learn from Monday night, Fred Jackson and Sammy Watkins will make Orton look like an All-Pro.

Keep in mind that when the Packers played Detroit earlier this year, it was the offense that produced nothing. The defense played quite well. The offense scored 7 and directly gave up 9 on a fumble and safety. The defense only gave up 10 points. The Packers will need the offense to show up this week. I know the offense is playing much better now than they were earlier, but they need to show they can do it against a top defense.

[Tony Oday]

We roll in this one 49-3

[3irty1]

This game will be on par with the Miami game in terms of difficulty. Every game is a playoff game for the Bills and they don't appear to have an ounce of quit in them. Like every team in that division trying to steal one from the Patriots they can play ball control, they can play defense, and they are built to drag elite teams down to their level and get upsets.

Our offense hasn't been nearly as good on the road, our defense is slipping, its not a great matchup for us: this game is a coin flip IMHO. I'm looking forward to watching this game more than any since week 1.

I wouldn't mind being a lot more under the radar to be honest. With Rodgers in God mode you can feel the target on our heads. Teams come into our games expecting to lose and thus use more high variance tactics. Plus I swear the stage of being compared to Rodgers this season brings out the best in every opposing QB we play against.

[mraynrand]

House hurt his shoulder versus Falcons. Being evaluated.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/mike-mccarthy-offers-no-insight-into-julio-jones-big-night-b99405548z1-285303181.html

FIFY. House ended up playing better man on Julio. Two nice passes defensed. Gave up a TD oob in the first half. Packers need better corner play because Ryan was able to just toss it up there - snap to throw was often less than 2 seconds. Can't blame lack of pass rush for that.

[denverYooper]

A win against Buffalo and a Cowboys loss (@ Eagles Sunday night) means that Green Bay is in the playoffs.

Big week.

[pbmax]

FIFY. House ended up playing better man on Julio. Two nice passes defensed. Gave up a TD oob in the first half. Packers need better corner play because Ryan was able to just toss it up there - snap to throw was often less than 2 seconds. Can't blame lack of pass rush for that.

Thanks for that. Reading fail; I thought Shields shoulder was why he got replaced.

[pbmax]

A win against Buffalo and a Cowboys loss (@ Eagles Sunday night) means that Green Bay is in the playoffs.

Big week.

This thing is always fun: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

And this page: http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture
always has a link to it on clinching/elimination scenarios.

[Joemailman]

This game should be played in the 20's. Only twice, the 2 times they played the Jets, have the Bills scored 30+. On the other hand, only the Patriots have scored 30+ against them. Bills have allowed just 14 TD passes and have 17 INT's. They lead the NFL in both sacks (48), and sack% (9.6).

[hoosier]

20s temperatures or 1920s?

[hoosier]

Buffalo run defense has been the tale of two seasons. First 6 games they gave up an average of 67.5 ypg. Last 7 games, 126.3 ypg. Lacy and Starks need to take some pressure off of Rodgers.

[denverYooper]

Buffalo run defense has been the tale of two seasons. First 6 games they gave up an average of 67.5 ypg. Last 7 games, 126.3 ypg. Lacy and Starks need to take some pressure off of Rodgers.

Yah. The Broncos spent most of the day running the ball last Sunday.

[LEWCWA]

I just don't think Buf. can score enough points. 21 should win this one and as good as they are on D, I would be surprised, If they hold Rodgers and co. under 25. I'll say 27-17 and not really that close.....

[Tyrion Lannister]

FIFY. House ended up playing better man on Julio. Two nice passes defensed. Gave up a TD oob in the first half. Packers need better corner play because Ryan was able to just toss it up there - snap to throw was often less than 2 seconds. Can't blame lack of pass rush for that.

Yo, quit hatin'.

Matt Ryan is a very, very, extremely good QB. Would be elite with a Super Bowl win. Made 1 bad throw against the Packers: the pick to Burnett. Matty Ice is more accurate than Robin Hood in "Men In Tights." Ryan is a better leader of men than Churchill ever was.

[pbmax]

Speaking in defense of the Packer's Defense, here is Mike Tanier: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2295593-packers-defense-and-seahawks-o-line-lies-my-statistics-told-me


Packers Defensive Rank by Quarter

Quarter Rank
First 10th
Second 14th
Third 14th
Fourth 28th

Football Outsiders

[Maxie the Taxi]

Speaking in defense of the Packer's Defense, here is Mike Tanier: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2295593-packers-defense-and-seahawks-o-line-lies-my-statistics-told-me


Packers Defensive Rank by Quarter

Quarter Rank
First 10th
Second 14th
Third 14th
Fourth 28th

Football Outsiders

Does this mean Dom is playing his bench more in the 4th qtr? Or that his players are just letting up? Or that he is playing more "prevent" at the end of the game?

[denverYooper]

FRONTRUNNING!

[mraynrand]

Yo, quit hatin'.

Matt Ryan is a very, very, extremely good QB. Would be elite with a Super Bowl win. Made 1 bad throw against the Packers: the pick to Burnett. Matty Ice is more accurate than Robin Hood in "Men In Tights." Ryan is a better leader of men than Churchill ever was.

Haters hate, that's what we do.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BthE0G1CIAE2zdp.jpg:large

[hoosier]

Does this mean Dom is playing his bench more in the 4th qtr? Or that his players are just letting up? Or that he is playing more "prevent" at the end of the game?

Clear evidence that the Packers are not physical enough. It's a finesse defense, and after three quarters of football even the dimmest of offensive minds has figured Dom out.

[pbmax]

Hard to say what precipitates it. I have a feeling that happens in blowouts, but I would need to go back and look at the drives. Its tempting because it reinforces my belief the D has improved. But it wouldn't be inconsistent to maintain that and still recognize the D has some holes.

[Fritz]

Hard to say what precipitates it. I have a feeling that happens in blowouts, but I would need to go back and look at the drives. Its tempting because it reinforces my belief the D has improved. But it wouldn't be inconsistent to maintain that and still recognize the D has some holes.


Uh, you're getting a little nuanced there, PB. Just make a blanket statement about the defense and stick to it, no matter what happens.

[pbmax]

Uh, you're getting a little nuanced there, PB. Just make a blanket statement about the defense and stick to it, no matter what happens.

SOFTNSLOW!

[KYPack]

In crafting his offensive gameplan, Pack coach Mike McCarthy better break down lots of tape, of the 1940 Chicago Bears. Because that's their gameplan on D. They are 7 across the front and are going to beat the shit out of you. When the final gun goes off, they peer up at the scoreboard and see if they have more points than the other guys. These boys are big and strong, with a lot of mean mixed in. They have an attitude because nobody knows who they are, but they are the real deal. They have a top D, leading or close to it, the NFL in sacks

A few weeks back, I was watching NFL ticket with 8 games going. One game jumped out, the Bills. On D, each man in their front 4 was positively dominating the hell out of his man. One guy was really impressive. DE Jerry Hughes. Only 255, he is a coaching clinic on DE play. Quick, speedy and very violent with his hands. He had 10 sacks last year and has 9.5 this year. The DT's are like the old Williams wall for the Vikes. Marcel Dareus is a former high draft pick and he is an All Pro whether they voted him in or not. The other DT is Kyle Williams and he can stuff the run or rush the passer. Another solid player few have heard of. The other DE? Super Mario Willams, who has lived up to the hype, but news trickles down slow from upstate New York. Bulaga better get it together bc Mario is the type of end that gives him fits.

The rest of the D is a solid mix of vets who know how to play behind their solid front four. Safety Aaron Williams is another star, the other guys competent.

The Bills are still smarting from a close loss to Denver in which they totally got screwed by the refs.

It's a sellout in Buffalo and the fans and the players are licking their chops at a shot to show what kind of team they have.

Buffalo is looking to go 4-0 vs the NFC North.

Green Bay has never beaten the Bills in Buffalo (supposedly, I didn't check that).

We'll have to do some good against this defense, hopefully we can contain their iffy Offense & QB and scoop one up here.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If the Packers win, they see Seattle at home in playoffs.

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2h2 hours ago
Injury report
DNP: House (shoulder), Lattimore (ankle), Gaston (illness)
Limited: Lang (ankle), Lacy (hip), Perry (shoulder), Sitton (toe)

Bobby mused in his ratings column that Sitton was healthier than Lang (Josh has gotten better in game after injury faster than TJ), but the practice schedule seems to bely that logic.


Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 2h2 hours ago
McCarthy on House: More tests tomorrow and maybe Saturday. Still gathering information. Not sure about status for Sunday.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 2h2 hours ago
Burnett is having a "hell of a year," McCarthy said. Impressed by step he's taken. Making plays, command of defense.

READY FOR THE APOLOGY THREAD YET DOUBTERS?

[pbmax]

The Bills have been giving up some yards on the ground lately. It would be a good time for Eddie to heal quickly.

[Freak Out]

A good, hard Lacy/Starks porn star double team pounding is in order for this game. Rodgers can audible out if they bunch the line, or PA until the cows come home.

GO PACK!

[pbmax]

Hawk says he is fine, not injured and doesn't want to be a storyline. But IS launching a reality show on The Ocho called "BJ and the Hawk".

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2014/12/11/hawk-i-shouldnt-be-a-storyline/20273675/

[esoxx]

You're right KY. Pack 0-5 all time in Buffalo.

Also, they've never won as the visiting team when Kyle Orton was the starting QB.
Check out who the QB was when the Packers 13-0 start was snapped in 2011. Yep, Orton.

[pbmax]

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL 21h21 hours ago
3rd and 9+ yards QB ratings this year:
Aaron Rodgers - 150.7
Tom Brady - 91.3
Drew Brees - 90.6
Andrew Luck - 84.6
Peyton Manning - 71.4

[KYPack]

You're right KY. Pack 0-5 all time in Buffalo.

Also, they've never won as the visiting team when Kyle Orton was the starting QB.
Check out who the QB was when the Packers 13-0 start was snapped in 2011. Yep, Orton.

Thx Esoxx.

Heard that on Sports radio and I don't believe those kind of goofs half the time.



Orton can pass effectively, but you've got to heat him up, then he gets shook. Sammy Watkins is a baby superstar, hope he doesn't go all Julio Jones on us.

This victory could really set us up, I'd like a 2 game cushion going into the last one (counting my Tampa's before they are hatched).

[woodbuck27]

A good, hard Lacy/Starks porn star double team pounding is in order for this game. Rodgers can audible out if they bunch the line, or PA until the cows come home.

GO PACK!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000442392/article/eddie-lacy-status-in-question-for-packers-in-week-15

Eddie Lacy status in question for Packers in Week 15

By: Chris Wesseling ... Around the NFL Writer

Published: Dec. 11, 2014 at 07:45 p.m. ... Updated: Dec. 11, 2014 at 08:39 p.m.

"It depends on how the rest of the week goes," Lacy said, via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "I'm progressing still. But there's still some things that need to be figured out."


GO PACK GO !

[mraynrand]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.

[Freak Out]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.

Sounds nice.

[smuggler]

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL 21h21 hours ago
3rd and 9+ yards QB ratings this year:
Aaron Rodgers - 150.7
Tom Brady - 91.3
Drew Brees - 90.6
Andrew Luck - 84.6
Peyton Manning - 71.4

BAN RODGERS

[woodbuck27]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.

Are you attempting to scare the shit out of Guiness?

[woodbuck27]

Sounds nice.

:-) X10.

[vince]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.
Brilliant. This must be played while reading in John Facenda voice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p30QHbD8018#t=18

[woodbuck27]

Brilliant. This must be played while reading in John Facenda voice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p30QHbD8018#t=18

That was good.

Thanks vince.

[woodbuck27]

BAN RODGERS

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL 21h21 hours ago
3rd and 9+ yards QB ratings this year:

Aaron Rodgers - 150.7

The BEST of the REST:

Tom Brady - 91.3

Drew Brees - 90.6

Andrew Luck - 84.6

Peyton Manning - 71.4

He's a witch......

Burn him at the stake.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000442392/article/eddie-lacy-status-in-question-for-packers-in-week-15

Eddie Lacy status in question for Packers in Week 15

By: Chris Wesseling ... Around the NFL Writer

Published: Dec. 11, 2014 at 07:45 p.m. ... Updated: Dec. 11, 2014 at 08:39 p.m.

"It depends on how the rest of the week goes," Lacy said, via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "I'm progressing still. But there's still some things that need to be figured out."


GO PACK GO !


http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Eddie_Lacy_wont_play_if_it_disadvantages_the_team/250a4857-a6ae-4cd4-8718-4cdd6b4072e0

Eddie Lacy won't play if it disadvantages the team

Packers running back Eddie Lacy was available to the media on Thursday, Dec. 11.

[KYPack]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.

I don't always agree with Ayn, but he's broken the code on this one. Any Pack fans attending this game should consider not wearing your team stuff. Bills fans are a strange lot and VERY violent. I'll never attend another event there and would not encourage anyone to do so.

I wish they would scream profanities at opposing fans, it'd give some form of early warning. Bills fans lead the league in sucker punches. I even quit going skiing up in that area, due to the strange inhabitants.

[Guiness]

I was there the last time in 2006, for the Brett Favre constellation of errors game (another one?, you may ask).

Buffalo is the most primitive outpost in the NFL. Most of the fans have only recently begun to walk upright, and they expect you to understand their grunting language, and get pissed when you don't. The parking lot is gravel and they break up shipping pallets with sledgehammers and burn them in bonfires right next to their 20 year old pickup trucks. They don't give a *uck. One guy had a modified weedwhacker with a blender attachment and was serving margaritas, with just ice and tequila.

The stadium was designed by the same architect who built stonehenge, and it has just a few more working facilities (the beer spigot works, but the toilets don't so much).

The fans taking a leak in the men's room shout back and forth about Sabres rivalries, playoff wins over the Habs in '75, etc. etc. And they mean it. They really hate the other hockey teams.

Fans are outrageously drunk and tremendously obnoxious (but still not as vulgar as Philly fans). They don't like any fan of any other team at any time. At All. The field looks hard and forbidding and the fans next to the field have faces filled with malice, despair, and disease, as though you are walking through a leper colony.

I've never been in a tougher venue as a fan and can imagine nothing tougher than playing in that hell hole as a player. Even the deafening noise of domes is better, because it is uniformly loud, unlike Rich Stadium, where the pernicious pestilence of Bills fans is in full throat, the garrulous grunting of the fans like those of the hungry swarms of the undead.

Ok, but how's the food? Good wings, right? :cow:

[Guiness]

Hawk says he is fine, not injured and doesn't want to be a storyline. But IS launching a reality show on The Ocho called "BJ and the Hawk".

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2014/12/11/hawk-i-shouldnt-be-a-storyline/20273675/

Joke if you want, but could the guy sound more geniune that he does in this quote?

"You don't need to sit there and whine about it," "It doesn't matter. No one cares. Everyone is in their own life and they should be. This team is playing really well. That's why I was hesitant to even come in (the locker room). Nothing is about me. It shouldn't be about me. It's dumb to talk about me. We're 10-3. … I shouldn't be a storyline."

[mraynrand]

^^^ I've been critical of Hawk the player, but the guy is totally solid. I hope Hawk always returns for Packer alumni events.

[hoosier]

He might make a decent coach some day. Hopefully sooner than later.

[George Cumby]

Nine year serviceable starter plus a good citizen, teammate and ambassador. As many have said, his draft position is why he comes under fire.

[Tyrion Lannister]

^^^ I've been critical of Hawk the player, but the guy is totally solid. I hope Hawk always returns for Packer alumni events.

If they put Hawk in the Packers HOF, it would give the impression that mediocrity is acceptable.

I know it is easier to get into the Packers HOF than it is to score in a brothel, but I'm against Hawk being in the Packers HOF. Mediocrity is unacceptable in a league of extraordinary gentlemen.

[Patler]

Hawk is the leading tackler in Packer history. He will make the Packer HOF.

[George Cumby]

Hawk is the leading tackler in Packer history. He will make the Packer HOF.

Deservedly so.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Hawk is the leading tackler in Packer history. He will make the Packer HOF.

Chances are, Hawk will be in it - probably for his durability more than anything else. But a case could be made that Nick Barnett was a better ILB than Hawk.

[mraynrand]

If they put Hawk in the Packers HOF, it would give the impression that mediocrity is acceptable.

I know it is easier to get into the Packers HOF than it is to score in a brothel, but I'm against Hawk being in the Packers HOF. Mediocrity is unacceptable in a league of extraordinary gentlemen.

I didn't say anything about putting Hawk in the GB HOF, but why not? GB has had extensive stretches of sub-mediocrity. It's part of their heritage. Hawk is better than mediocre. Still, his tackles and other accomplishments would get him GB HOF status mostly as a 'lifetime achievement' award, and not for anything routinely and exceptionally outstanding that he's done. He's compares favorably with Donald Driver in this regard.

[pbmax]

Joke if you want, but could the guy sound more geniune that he does in this quote?

AJ's legs may not work anymore but his head is still on straight despite the helmet flying off.

[Pugger]

Ian Kenyon ‏@IanKenyonNFL 21h21 hours ago
3rd and 9+ yards QB ratings this year:

Aaron Rodgers - 150.7

The BEST of the REST:

Tom Brady - 91.3

Drew Brees - 90.6

Andrew Luck - 84.6

Peyton Manning - 71.4

He's a witch......

Burn him at the stake.

That is just sick. :grin:

[Patler]

Joke if you want, but could the guy sound more geniune that he does in this quote?

It must be an absolute joy to coach a guy like that. Jarrett Bush, too. Not that there aren't others, as well.

[pbmax]

It must be an absolute joy to coach a guy like that. Jarrett Bush, too. Not that there aren't others, as well.

Kind of a mixed bag as well, no? Because the limited guys sometimes have to do things they don't do well. I would say Hawk and Bush were a joy 6 days a week but occasionally on the 7th they caused some indigestion with the coach.

[Patler]

Kind of a mixed bag as well, no? Because the limited guys sometimes have to do things they don't do well. I would say Hawk and Bush were a joy 6 days a week but occasionally on the 7th they caused some indigestion with the coach.

Nah. Coaches know what a player can do, and what he can't do. A player not doing something that you never thought he could do anyway causes no indigestion. What causes indigestion is a player not doing something that you know he can do, or a player "forgetting" what he has been taught to do. From all that I have heard, that is never a problem with Hawk.

[woodbuck27]

Nah. Coaches know what a player can do, and what he can't do. A player not doing something that you never thought he could do anyway causes no indigestion. What causes indigestion is a player not doing something that you know he can do, or a player "forgetting" what he has been taught to do. From all that I have heard, that is never a problem with Hawk.

So Hawk is a coach's player.

[pbmax]

Nah. Coaches know what a player can do, and what he can't do. A player not doing something that you never thought he could do anyway causes no indigestion. What causes indigestion is a player not doing something that you know he can do, or a player "forgetting" what he has been taught to do. From all that I have heard, that is never a problem with Hawk.

That's a very fair point. Potentially explains the disconnect between fan and coach reactions to player performance on the field.

[woodbuck27]

Hawk is the leading tackler in Packer history. He will make the Packer HOF.

He also cost the organization $a bundle$.

The Packers love his mug. They love his name.

He's in the Packer HOF for a joke.

[George Cumby]

That's a very fair point. Potentially explains the disconnect between fan and coach reactions to player performance on the field.

That and fans, generally, function at the emotional level of a two year old, myself included.

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 4h4 hours ago
#Packers injury report House OUT; Gaston probable; Lacy probable; Lang probable; Lattimore OUT; Perry probable; Sitton probable.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 4h4 hours ago
McCarthy says House feels better, has range of motion. Seeing specialist today for more tests. Does not sound season-ending, but unclear.

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4h4 hours ago
MM on taking ball after win toss: We have a game-management meeting every Friday. Go through history. Look at variables and make decision

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4h4 hours ago
MM on Crosby: You know what he's made of. I've always believed in Mason Crosby and he's delivered

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 4h4 hours ago
McCarthy on Starks going home for game: "There's no place like home. Everyone enjoys going back to hometown."

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4h4 hours ago
MM: Anytime we're on the road our communication challenges are night and day. This is a loud place. Our team hasn't been there in 8 years

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4h4 hours ago
MM: Shields has had a good week of practice. When you don't get reps, it's tough. Don't care what position you play. Sam's had a good week

[pbmax]

Good job by community keeping the rookie humble.

Davante Adams @tae15adams · 5h 5 hours ago
(@ THE MALL) Guy: Hey man can I get a pic real quick plz ur awesome Ive followed u since college.. Me: Of course bro Guy:Thanks Randall! 😒😒😒

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Eddie_Lacy_wont_play_if_it_disadvantages_the_team/250a4857-a6ae-4cd4-8718-4cdd6b4072e0

Eddie Lacy won't play if it disadvantages the team

Packers running back Eddie Lacy was available to the media on Thursday, Dec. 11.

Update:

http://www.sunherald.com/2014/12/12/5965845/packers-rb-lacy-probably-for-buffalo.html

Packers RB Lacy probable for Buffalo game

By TODD McMAHON

December 12, 2014 Updated 14 hours ago

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

This Sundays 1 PM EST Game will be Green Bay's first game against the Bills in eight years at Ralph Wilson Stadium.

The Packers have never won at Ralph Wilson Stadium in five tries.

The betting public:

55% are saying the Packers will cover [- 4.5 ] and 61% are betting that the score will be 'under' 50.5 Pts.

GO PACK !

[King Friday]

The Packer offense typically goes into a complete funk whenever they play a defense like this...so my hopes are not all that high. I don't think we get more than 24 points in this one. Our defense is going to have to create some turnovers.

[mraynrand]

Nah. Coaches know what a player can do, and what he can't do. A player not doing something that you never thought he could do anyway causes no indigestion. What causes indigestion is a player not doing something that you know he can do, or a player "forgetting" what he has been taught to do. From all that I have heard, that is never a problem with Hawk.

Translation: The coaches know he sucks, but it's consistent suckitude :)

[Fritz]

I predict a loss here for the Pack. A place they've never won, against the kind of defense that stymies that Packer offense. And Kyle Orton at the helm. Just enough to make this a tough loss, like 27-20.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I predict a loss here for the Pack. A place they've never won, against the kind of defense that stymies that Packer offense. And Kyle Orton at the helm. Just enough to make this a tough loss, like 27-20.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers throws an interception or two. I just hope he survives this game in one piece. I know the OL has been good in protection lately, but Rodgers also has been holding on to the ball. LAUNCH IT OUT OF BOUNDS, AROD!!!!!

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 1m1 minute ago
The great @MikeGarafolo reports that #Packers have IR'd ILB Jamari Lattimore (ankle) and promoted S @Chris1Banjo from practice squad.

The More Banjo thread rejoices.

[wist43]

Last week was a game we should have won 'pretty'... but dunderdummy made it an ugly win.

This week?? I expect an ugly game... a frustrating game to watch. The Bills are anemic on offense, so even our inconsistent defense should be able to hold them down; but their defense is very good. Expect a lot of punts, field position type of game.

Don't care if we win this one ugly - get a "W" and get out of Buffalo.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I predict a loss here for the Pack. A place they've never won, against the kind of defense that stymies that Packer offense. And Kyle Orton at the helm. Just enough to make this a tough loss, like 27-20.

The Packer offense is much better now than when they were shut down earlier in season.

I'm not worried about this game.

[woodbuck27]

Last week was a game we should have won 'pretty'... but dunderdummy made it an ugly win.

This week?? I expect an ugly game... a frustrating game to watch. The Bills are anemic on offense, so even our inconsistent defense should be able to hold them down; but their defense is very good. Expect a lot of punts, field position type of game.

Don't care if we win this one ugly - get a "W" and get out of Buffalo.

The Packers will win this game.

Packers 27 - Bills 20

[Pugger]

Last week was a game we should have won 'pretty'... but dunderdummy made it an ugly win.

This week?? I expect an ugly game... a frustrating game to watch. The Bills are anemic on offense, so even our inconsistent defense should be able to hold them down; but their defense is very good. Expect a lot of punts, field position type of game.

Don't care if we win this one ugly - get a "W" and get out of Buffalo.

And get out of there with everyone - especially #12 - in one piece!

[KYPack]

And get out of there with everyone - especially #12 - in one piece!

NFL's sack leaders take on the league's top sharpshooter and blitz buster.

Should be a good one.

I'm in my usual pre-game mood, pissin' myself!

[Fritz]

I won't be able to watch at all. Going to see A Christmas Carol.

I'll be scroogey if the Packers lose.