The 2015 " I just can't stay out of jail " Thread .

[woodbuck27]

http://blog.startribune.com/sports/access-vikings/vikings-cb-jabari-price-arrested-for-dwi

Vikings CB Jabari Price arrested on DWI

Posted by: Matt Vensel Updated January 2nd at 7:10pm

[MadScientist]

The standard penalty for DWI for 7th round special teams guys is getting cut. The announcement should come in a day or two, although since there season is over, they might see if this will blow over if they really like the guy.

[woodbuck27]

The standard penalty for DWI for 7th round special teams guys is getting cut. The announcement should come in a day or two, although since there season is over, they might see if this will blow over if they really like the guy.

OK.

We're going to see all sorts of off season stuff like this. I thought it might be interesting to keep it all on one thread.

[MadScientist]

We're going to see all sorts of off season stuff like this. I thought it might be interesting to keep it all on one thread.
Yea, if there were a thread for each NFL person who gets arrested in the offseason it would get ridiculous around here. So here's another one:
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/01/new_orleans_saints_junior_gale_7.html\
Bigger problem, since the guy was a captain and just signed a 4-year extension.

[Patler]

According to PFT, on 12/26/2014, the NFL had gone 40 days without an arrest. That was the first time since PFT started keeping track in 2007 that the 40 day mark was reached. Apparently the "record" now stands at 42 days.

The article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/26/40-days-and-no-nfl-arrests/

[mraynrand]

It would be nice if all the losers who constantly try to sell the meme that football players are more likely to be criminals, etc. would run, as a control, a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men.

[Patler]

It would be nice if all the losers who constantly try to sell the meme that football players are more likely to be criminals, etc. would run, as a control, a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men.

Hard to really answer that. How do you match them demographically, by their backgrounds, or by their current status of making roughly $250k/year to millions/year?

There are around 2,000 currently "in the league" during the season, and another seven-hundred or so in the off-season. Throw in a few hundred part-timers and hangers on. So roughly 3,000 were part of the league at one time or another in 2014. It appears there were 48 arrests in 2014. So 1.6%?

Are 2% of the highest wage-earners in the US arrested annually? Interesting question.

[QBME]

It would be nice if all the losers who constantly try to sell the meme that football players are more likely to be criminals, etc. would run, as a control, a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men.

Wouldn't that be a pretty hard match?

Male
21 - 32 (or so) years old
2-5 years of college
Full time employment
$420,000.00 - $18,500,000.00 yearly income, plus benefits & perks

[pbmax]

It would be nice if all the losers who constantly try to sell the meme that football players are more likely to be criminals, etc. would run, as a control, a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men.

The rates have been found to usually be lower. But the demographic match, as Patler alludes to, is tough. They normally go with a similar age or age range. The Duke study below uses figures for 20 year olds.

https://stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf

http://sbronars.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/does-the-nfl-have-a-crime-problem/

From an outfit who politics probably don't align with yours, here is an overview of those two links and some other material: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VVkitMaA9a0J:thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/06/27/2228241/nfl-complicated-crime-problem/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

[woodbuck27]

Yea, if there were a thread for each NFL person who gets arrested in the offseason it would get ridiculous around here. So here's another one:
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/01/new_orleans_saints_junior_gale_7.html\
Bigger problem, since the guy was a captain and just signed a 4-year extension.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-sack-leader-galette-arrested-domestic-disturbance-191416330--nfl.html

Comment woodbuck27: This gets to the heart of the matter.

Saints sack leader Galette arrested in domestic disturbance

By BRETT MARTEL (AP Sports Writer) ...... 34 minutes ago

[mraynrand]

buncha smartasses with the coin part. Try matching them with their peers who didn't make it into pro football. Duh.

[mraynrand]

The rates have been found to usually be lower. But the demographic match, as Patler alludes to, is tough. They normally go with a similar age or age range. The Duke study below uses figures for 20 year olds.

https://stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf

http://sbronars.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/does-the-nfl-have-a-crime-problem/

From an outfit who politics probably don't align with yours, here is an overview of those two links and some other material: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VVkitMaA9a0J:thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/06/27/2228241/nfl-complicated-crime-problem/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

Yeah, I'm aware of the studies. The point is there is an agenda to making it look like NFL athletes are more likely to be criminals. The usual suspects lined up.

[MadScientist]

Yeah, I'm aware of the studies. The point is there is an agenda to making it look like NFL athletes are more likely to be criminals. The usual suspects lined up.

Perception can be skewed even without an overriding agenda. Things that make news often do so in part due to it not being a frequent event, but by making the news people perceive it as a more common event. Added to that you have the phenomena of people liking to see celebrity types knocked off their pedestals.

[Patler]

buncha smartasses with the coin part. Try matching them with their peers who didn't make it into pro football. Duh.

But are they the same as their peers who didn't make pro football, financially or environmentally? Are arrest rates the same among residents of affluent neighborhoods and those of inner city neighborhoods?

Personally, I don't know if the arrests rates are higher or lower than whoever you compare to, and I don't care. All I would like to see is for pro athletes, entertainers, etc. to be treated the same as others, to the extent that is possible. For a while, they skated off easily most times. Now, I think the pendulum may have swung the other way, and players are getting fired on allegations, not convictions.

[mraynrand]

But are they the same as their peers who didn't make pro football, financially or environmentally?

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

[pbmax]

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

Even if studying it is problematic due to a small sample, finances are a huge part of a demographic. It has to be accounted for in some way, even if direct population study doesn't get you useful info at first pass.

[Patler]

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

You were the one who asked for "a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men." All I have done is try to figure out who YOU want to compare them to. I didn't make any statements one way or the other about the frequency of arrests among NFLers.

I'm not hung up on money at all. I simply asked if $ should be a factor for you in establishing the comparison you want. Money does determine where you can live, how you can live, what things you can do, where you can go. Great wealth also attracts "friends" you never knew you had.

[George Cumby]

"Overall, Black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times)."

Source: FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls

[woodbuck27]

This post isn't about anything new but all the same I'll post this here:

http://news.yahoo.com/final-pre-trial-hearing-aaron-hernandez-2013-murder-062258525--spt.html

Final pre-trial hearing for Aaron Hernandez in 2013 murder

FALL RIVER, Mass. (AP) —

" Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez is due in court for his final appearance before he goes on trial Friday for allegedly murdering semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd in 2013."

[MadScientist]

Jets LB Jermaine Cunningham gets in on this list:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/jets-linebacker-jermaine-cunningham-was-arrested-in-late-december/
http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2015/01/jets_linebacker_arrested_at_summit_home_charged_wi th_spreading_sexual_images_illegally_transporting. html

It sounds like the main charge is something like sending out a naked picture of someone, but a "destruction of clothing" charge is a new one.

[woodbuck27]

RE: Jets LB Jermaine Cunningham

" He was also charged with destruction of clothing "

Ohh no Mr. Bill. That's very serious....paranoia.

mmmm ...What a pervert. :roll:

[mraynrand]

You were the one who asked for "a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men." All I have done is try to figure out who YOU want to compare them to. I didn't make any statements one way or the other about the frequency of arrests among NFLers.

I'm not hung up on money at all. I simply asked if $ should be a factor for you in establishing the comparison you want. Money does determine where you can live, how you can live, what things you can do, where you can go. Great wealth also attracts "friends" you never knew you had.

Ya, sorry, I get annoyed at this constant barrage directed toward NFL players, because I'm certain there's an agenda behind it. Still, I'd compare them to peers with (few) and without money, and compare them to themselves, before and after contracts. And yes, it's a challenging demographic comparison not just because of the money, but because the mechanism of acquiring the money is so different than for others with money. Think of the vast difference in people who acquire wealth by other means, like entertainers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. It's like a physical lottery for a lot of kids and doesn't compare well with people who gradually acquire wealth over a lifetime of work.

[Patler]

Ya, sorry, I get annoyed at this constant barrage directed toward NFL players, because I'm certain there's an agenda behind it. Still, I'd compare them to peers with (few) and without money, and compare them to themselves, before and after contracts. And yes, it's a challenging demographic comparison not just because of the money, but because the mechanism of acquiring the money is so different than for others with money. Think of the vast difference in people who acquire wealth by other means, like entertainers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. It's like a physical lottery for a lot of kids and doesn't compare well with people who gradually acquire wealth over a lifetime of work.

The closest comparison for some might be a lottery winner. Little money today, millions tomorrow.

[George Cumby]

The closest comparison for some might be a lottery winner. Little money today, millions tomorrow.

Well. They're winners of the genetic lottery, to be sure.

[smuggler]

Well. They're winners of the genetic lottery, to be sure.

Physically, yeah. Mentally, not so much. But, brains don't pay as well as jumping ability and height. :)

[George Cumby]

Ain't that the truth!

[QBME]

Chicago DB Tim Jennings DUI - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-tim-jennings-arrested-20150107-story.html

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/10/greg-hardy-will-stand-trial-on-february-9/

Greg Hardy will stand trial on February 9

Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2015, 7:29 AM EST

[woodbuck27]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/10/jets-rb-johnson-arrested-for-open-carry-of-firearm

Jets RB (Chris) Johnson arrested for open carry of firearm


The Sports Xchange

First posted: Saturday, January 10, 2015 04:54 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, January 10, 2015 05:04 PM EST

" New York Jets running back Chris Johnson was arrested Friday night in Orlando, Fla., and charged with the open carrying of a firearm.

The Orlando Police Department confirmed the arrest for a second-degree misdemeanor but refused to disclose any details. "

[Patler]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/10/jets-rb-johnson-arrested-for-open-carry-of-firearm

Jets RB (Chris) Johnson arrested for open carry of firearm


The Sports Xchange

First posted: Saturday, January 10, 2015 04:54 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, January 10, 2015 05:04 PM EST

" New York Jets running back Chris Johnson was arrested Friday night in Orlando, Fla., and charged with the open carrying of a firearm.

The Orlando Police Department confirmed the arrest for a second-degree misdemeanor but refused to disclose any details. "

I don't think this one is a big deal. I read an article that said it was for an improperly cased gun in his car. He had all the proper permits and registrations, but apparently had it in a closed shoulder bag of some sort (one article called it a book bag), and the law requires a locked case when in the car.

[George Cumby]

Yup. Provided the shoulder bag didn't also contain a bunch of drugs, no big.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2330251-josh-mcnary-charged-with-rape-latest-details-and-comments

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/01/14/josh-mcnary-chaged-rape-indianpolis-colts/21770811/

Indianapolis Colts LB Josh McNary Charged with Rape:

Latest Details and Comments

By: Matt Fitzgerald , Featured Columnist

Jan. 14, 2015


" Indianapolis Colts linebacker Josh McNary was charged Wednesday with one count of rape, one count of battery resulting in bodily injury and one count of criminal confinement.

FOX59's Greg Margason reported the news, noting the incident being investigated transpired "on or around December 1." Superior Court Judge Sheila Carlisle has signed a warrant for McNary's arrest. "

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/15/colts-ask-nfl-to-put-mcnary-on-paid-leave/

Colts ask NFL to put McNary on paid leave

Posted by Mike Florio on January 15, 2015, 10:20 AM EST

[mraynrand]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/15/colts-ask-nfl-to-put-mcnary-on-paid-leave/

Colts ask NFL to put McNary on paid leave

Posted by Mike Florio on January 15, 2015, 10:20 AM EST

This is the end of the road of the very bad precedent in the wake of the Peterman example. It is effectively a presumption of guilt, which is a terrible thing for any justice system, particularly ours.

It also presents an excellent way of removing an opponents' player(s) from a critical game. Find someone to accuse a star player of rape (find someone in Tacoma to say Rodgers assaulted her for example) and the NFL must put him on paid leave until it is sorted out. No one would do that you say, and I say: just wait.

[pbmax]

This is the end of the road of the very bad precedent in the wake of the Peterman example. It is effectively a presumption of guilt, which is a terrible thing for any justice system, particularly ours.

It also presents an excellent way of removing an opponents' player(s) from a critical game. Find someone to accuse a star player of rape (find someone in Tacoma to say Rodgers assaulted her for example) and the NFL must put him on paid leave until it is sorted out. No one would do that you say, and I say: just wait.

I agree completely, though an arrest is often more damning than an accusation.

Mueller in his report said they shouldn't wait for the criminal justice system to finish, which makes sense. Not guilty is often not a synonym for innocent. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an investigation first.

[MadScientist]

This is the end of the road of the very bad precedent in the wake of the Peterman example. It is effectively a presumption of guilt, which is a terrible thing for any justice system, particularly ours.

It also presents an excellent way of removing an opponents' player(s) from a critical game. Find someone to accuse a star player of rape (find someone in Tacoma to say Rodgers assaulted her for example) and the NFL must put him on paid leave until it is sorted out. No one would do that you say, and I say: just wait.


I agree completely, though an arrest is often more damning than an accusation.

Mueller in his report said they shouldn't wait for the criminal justice system to finish, which makes sense. Not guilty is often not a synonym for innocent. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an investigation first.

The league requires that formal charges be brought against the player before putting him on the exempt list. In this case it took 6 weeks for that to happen. There was quite a bit of investigation done, with evidence that corroborated the woman's claim. Maybe a woman could go all 'Gone Girl' on a player, and make a public case that looked sensational and push for fast action, but that would take a good bit of planning and preparation to pull off.

[mraynrand]

The league requires that formal charges be brought against the player before putting him on the exempt list. In this case it took 6 weeks for that to happen. There was quite a bit of investigation done, with evidence that corroborated the woman's claim. Maybe a woman could go all 'Gone Girl' on a player, and make a public case that looked sensational and push for fast action, but that would take a good bit of planning and preparation to pull off.

a lot of fans buy tickets in advance.

[mraynrand]

the other good thing, that should make everyone feel assured that the process is working well, is that prosecutors these days never file charges unless they have iron-clad cases. They never try to increase conviction rates by inducing people to accept pleas.

[vince]

This is the end of the road of the very bad precedent in the wake of the Peterman example. It is effectively a presumption of guilt, which is a terrible thing for any justice system, particularly ours.
I'm not following this... Are you saying that a paid suspension by the NFL taints a jury when the justice system takes the case to court?

[MadScientist]

a lot of fans buy tickets in advance.
What does that have to do with anything? The preparation I was referring to would be along the lines of a woman doing things to herself that would make it look like she was raped and then finding and consensually fucking the target player to complete the evidence for the police. A fake accusation has to have some well-faked supporting evidence or it won't go anywhere.

[pbmax]

The league requires that formal charges be brought against the player before putting him on the exempt list. In this case it took 6 weeks for that to happen. There was quite a bit of investigation done, with evidence that corroborated the woman's claim. Maybe a woman could go all 'Gone Girl' on a player, and make a public case that looked sensational and push for fast action, but that would take a good bit of planning and preparation to pull off.

Ah, I was unaware this had been percolating. Thought it was breaking news.

[mraynrand]

I'm not following this... Are you saying that a paid suspension by the NFL taints a jury when the justice system takes the case to court?

not necessarily, but I suppose it could. No, I was just making the point that it's a bad idea generally to suspend a guy before conviction. Wrong indictments are made all the time. So what does the player get if the indictment is wrong? Do they get to replay the game?

[mraynrand]

A fake accusation has to have some well-faked supporting evidence or it won't go anywhere.

not necessarily. It depends on the prosecutor, etc. etc. People have agendas.

[vince]

not necessarily, but I suppose it could. No, I was just making the point that it's a bad idea generally to suspend a guy before conviction. Wrong indictments are made all the time. So what does the player get if the indictment is wrong? Do they get to replay the game?
The only justice in business other than what's bound by the law is colored green. The NFL is obligated to fulfill their contract with the player, which is why they're paying him, but if his presence on the field is bad for the brand, I think their decision is an easy one. Cops who are under investigation are given paid leave. Doctors get their license suspended pending investigations. If the player is ultimately convicted, they'll stop paying him too but not before. If it's a bogus indictment then perhaps the player has recourse against his accusers or the state/fed but the NFL is an innocent victim here and it needs to minimize its damages.

It's a bad situation for both the player and the league. The league needs to do what it can to protect itself, and the player needs to focus on keeping his ass out of jail. Neither of those needs suggest the player should be showcased before hundreds of millions of people.

[mraynrand]

I don't disagree Vince, but I do see it as a pendulum, and now it is swinging pretty far towards the presumption of guilt side. You're right, people are just trying to protect images and $$$, but I believe it is because there is an intentional assault on football and football culture, by the left in this country. Sorry to let politics bleed in, but it's a reality, and it's affecting the game. In most cases, I think the suspensions and paid leaves are reasonable, but I don't like the trend, and I don't like the motivation.

[vince]

I don't disagree Vince, but I do see it as a pendulum, and now it is swinging pretty far towards the presumption of guilt side. You're right, people are just trying to protect images and $$$, but I believe it is because there is an intentional assault on football and football culture, by the left in this country. Sorry to let politics bleed in, but it's a reality, and it's affecting the game. In most cases, I think the suspensions and paid leaves are reasonable, but I don't like the trend, and I don't like the motivation.
I see what you're saying too. I just don't think the NFL is presuming guilt or innocence - just protecting itself from what's actually occurred to it.

[Guiness]

I see what you're saying too. I just don't think the NFL is presuming guilt or innocence - just protecting itself from what's actually occurred to it.

Agreed. One flaw though, that PFT has pointed out several times though, is that the NFL does not consider suspension with pay to be punishment. It is for a several reasons. How this affects things is a big deal in the Peterson case, where he missed almost the entire season on the exempt list, and when they assessed punishment did not give him credit for 'time served'.

[mraynrand]

I see what you're saying too. I just don't think the NFL is presuming guilt or innocence - just protecting itself from what's actually occurred to it.

presumption of guilt is the wrong term. CYA would be better. Bending to pressure is the essence of it.

[mraynrand]

Agreed. One flaw though, that PFT has pointed out several times though, is that the NFL does not consider suspension with pay to be punishment. It is for a several reasons. How this affects things is a big deal in the Peterson case, where he missed almost the entire season on the exempt list, and when they assessed punishment did not give him credit for 'time served'.

That's probably something they could fix, and still appropriately punish while keeping up the appearances they want. But ultimately, it's not up to the NFL. It's in control of the agitators and public opinion. The NFL has made that much pretty clear.

[vince]

Agreed. One flaw though, that PFT has pointed out several times though, is that the NFL does not consider suspension with pay to be punishment. It is for a several reasons. How this affects things is a big deal in the Peterson case, where he missed almost the entire season on the exempt list, and when they assessed punishment did not give him credit for 'time served'.
I agree with the NFL that suspension with pay is not punishment. Until it hits a player's wallet, it's not "punishment" from that standpoint. If the player incurs some "loss" or injustice (what that would be I'm not sure. The guy's getting an extended paid vacation.) due to him not playing in one or more games, then he can/should sue his accusor(s) for retribution because they caused the damage by virtue of their accusation and/or indictment, not the NFL. Hell the NFL probably should sue them too in that case.

[mraynrand]

^^^^ As we saw with Suh, the argument that suspension - even without pay - punishes the player can be weaker than the argument that it punishes the team, the fans and other teams that are relying on competitive games

[Guiness]

^^^^ As we saw with Suh, the argument that suspension - even without pay - punishes the player can be weaker than the argument that it punishes the team, the fans and other teams that are relying on competitive games

But a part of Suh's argument was that it punished him as well, and the arbitrator bought that.

The argument that 'football players want to play football, and not letting them is punishment' is not going to be bought by everyone, mostly because all they see is the money they're being paid to do nothing. But there is another money argument that should make sense to everyone - football is the ultimate 'what have you done for me lately' sport, and future contracts are based on recent (very recent!) performances. If, say, an RB is forced to sit a season when he's 29, his chances of getting one more contract are significantly less that year later when he's 30 and hasn't seen the field in a year. Even if the reason he was sat ends up going away.

[Guiness]

Not a current player, but someone who hasn't been out of the game long
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/16/former-falcons-no-1-pick-peria-jerry-in-police-custody/

[pbmax]

I don't agree that suspension with pay is not punishment. It clearly is. The natural state is to participate. No cop wants to be administrative leave, and no player wants to be removed from the team.

Not being on the active roster affects bonuses and accrued seasons, which affects the FA clock, advancement of contract years and retirement packages. It also can affect contract negotiations if those are on the near term horizon. Taken to court, I don't think it stands because each of those other issues have been negotiated in the CBA and you can't modify it without negotiations and an agreement unless the CBA has come to an end.

Suspension with pay should only be temporary and used in extreme cases (where another life has been put in jeopardy or such) and allow the League to do due diligence.

If the League has done its investigation with the player in question, it should move to suspend him for a term agreed to with the NFLPA (based on predetermined scales) if they have corroborating evidence. To move to suspension with pay after an investigation is just kicking the can down the road and there is no credit for time served.

[vince]

Suspension with pay should only be temporary and used in extreme cases (where another life has been put in jeopardy or such) and allow the League to do due diligence.
The NFL says rape and child/spousal abuse are extreme enough for them - and I agree.

I agree that suspension with pay does negatively impact the player, but it is hardly adequate enough punishment to count as "time served" for these types of issues in the event of a legal finding of guilt - regardless of whether the legal system deems whipping a 4-year old child to the point of bleeding is a class A felony or simple misdemeanor. The issue for the league is the extent to which the situation risks blowing up in the media - and therefore in its face - if it doesn't act. And then if given the need for action, what is the least bad option among the slew of bad ones.

Waiting for the justice system to run its course is not a viable option at all, and taking the time to perform its own due diligence may not be either depending on the profile of the player and/or the purported crime. Either of those choices only exacerbates the public relations nightmare when it is put in these situations. Once awakened, the public won’t wait for due diligence – particularly by the global billion-dollar, market-fixing conglomerate. They not only won’t pay attention long enough to withhold judgment, but by definition the public doesn’t trust them in the first place. As a society, we're hungry to dis the NFL at any opportunity. Too rich, too powerful, too expensive. We'll pay it anyway, but bitch about it all day long while we eat up what they offer.

Immediate action - even if only a forced paid vacation - is necessary and warranted for the league to minimize the cost to it by issues that elicit such strong emotional public reaction (woman/child abuse) that quickly graduate from the local sports pages to the national nightly and weekly news - or perhaps worse yet - as was a potential risk in this case - becoming the dominant party-talk issue at all the Super Bowl parties throughout the world.

The lesser of the evils (suspension with pay vs. wait and risk widespread public perception of inaction/distrust/”not caring” about women, children among a bunch of powerful violence-feeding barbarians/etc.) is pretty clear in my view. Hardcore fans like you guys who are engaged enough to concern themselves with performance/workout bonuses and whether the NFL has any obligation to perform due diligence in the first place (it doesn’t - unless agreed to by contract) are one in a million relative to the short-attention-span, judgment-rushing, women and children-loving, Super Bowl watching - public at-large. If the league doesn’t do something quickly, it might as well have raped the women and whipped the kids itself in the minds of the buying public.

[mraynrand]

Once awakened, the public won’t wait for due diligence – particularly by the global billion-dollar, market-fixing conglomerate. They not only won’t pay attention long enough to withhold judgment, but by definition the public doesn’t trust them in the first place. As a society, we're hungry to dis the NFL at any opportunity. Too rich, too powerful, too expensive.


But ultimately, it's not up to the NFL. It's in control of the agitators and public opinion. The NFL has made that much pretty clear.


If the league doesn’t do something quickly, it might as well have raped the women and whipped the kids itself in the minds of the buying public.

This image is being promulgated by the anti-NFL forces, and they are loud and aggressive activists/agitators.

If I were a typical NFL player, I'd be pretty pissed that the NFL is bending over (!) to pressure groups that at this point are essentially treating all NFL players as rapists in waiting.



But, is the NFL really all that expensive? Almost everyone has some form of cable other services beyond 'broadcast' and there are lots of games available. The Sunday Ticket is expensive - several hundreds/season, but you get all the games. If you really like football that much, it's a total score and value. Going to games is expensive, but actually not even - it only depends on certain games and certain stadiums. For a large percentage of games, you can get in relatively inexpensively. (and you can almost always get a reduced price ticket in the first quarter). Depends on what you want to spend your money on. Our family treats it as a vacation expense. And really, if you are traveling to a game over several hundred miles, it makes sense, because it's an investment of a couple of days. Sure, it's not as expensive as dropping on on one of 81 home baseball games, but given the popularity and demand, what do you expect.

[pbmax]

I agree that suspension with pay is not enough for certain transgressions. But it is not a catch all for a proper punishment. It should only be used temporarily to do due diligence. To be consistent in the application of justice. No one is ever going to agree on the proper level of punishment, but certain facts must be ascertained and evaluated and some kind of ranking must be done. Then a punishment meted out that includes the time served on suspension with pay according to a known schedule.

If you repeatedly follow your own rules, you immediately reduce the number of complaints by more than half. Wouldn't it help the NFL if the players were behind the policy they way they are on PEDs? And if the League did this for a number of years, it could collect something known as data and determine whether this was working or not and tweak it based on actual evidence rather than who gets more airtime on Mike and Mike and First Take.

I don't agree that "activists" are pushing this on the League. The League is trying to avoid this hitting the 6 O'clock news and hurting its reputation. And its most concerned, as vince pointed out, not with me but with more marginal viewers, most of whom are women. The only way that rep gets hurt is if the NFL appears to have no idea what to do, or has a crisis, which is exactly the situation when Goodell first formulated this idiotic policy in 2007, but is only half true now.

For years baseball was able to leave punishment to the League Presidents and no one cared because they were predictable, everyone knew what the rules were. Goodell is just collecting authority, he still doesn't have a plan.

They are 20 years behind other large firms and corporations in how they deal with this. Probably because they have very few female employees, so the issue was not often raised internally and the issue was less likely to hit their radar within their own ranks.

Once you have a policy and a track record of using it effectively and making changes based on actual results, they you no longer are vulnerable to activists or the media, you become an authority on how not to simply accept domestic violence among your workforce as inevitable. And the players accused have access to some due process and for the love of Pete Rozelle, an actual independent Appeals process.

[vince]

Yeah I think everyone can agree there are no winners in these situations no matter what course is taken. A more formal and agreed upon policy would be good, as long as it doesn't hamstring the league depending on specific circumstances or which way the social winds are blowing over time. The popularity of the game is at an all-time high I'd say but pile a few major catastrophic events related to the violent physical nature of the game like increasing evidence of long-term brain damage to players, another Darrell Stanley/Barrett Robbins incident or two, along with declining youth participation...,

The NFL obviously leans overwhelmingly black relative to the population at large. Some civil unrest that spills into/involves the NFL and one or more high-profile players. Who knows what could happen but the league needs flexibility to protect itself and the huge financial benefits to playing are pretty strong motivators for the players to rally around while the temptation to leave those who find themselves in legal trouble to fend for themselves (It'll never happen to me) are probably overwhelming to the players as a whole.

Maybe a false indictment or a gross error by the league will change that but I don't think the Peterson situation even comes close to that.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/24/report-colts-lb-andrew-jackson-arrested-on-suspicion-of-dui/

Report: Colts LB Andrew Jackson arrested on suspicion of DUI

Posted by Mike Wilkening on January 24, 2015, 12:55 PM EST

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/02/report-warren-sapp-arrested-for-solicitation-and-assault/

Report: Warren Sapp arrested for solicitation and assault

Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2015, 3:25 PM EST

Comment woodbuck27:

This one deserves it's own thread. It's up there.

http://media2.abc15.com/photo/2015/02/02/KNXV%20Warren%20Sapp%20mugshot_1422907137404_13024 001_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

I'll likely not have to watch this creep anymore on the NFL network.

Isn't it something the way life gets around to fucking .... Fuckers !

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2353568-dqwell-jackson-arrested-latest-details-comments-on-assault-citation?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

D'Qwell Jackson Arrested: Latest Details, Comments on Assault Citation

By: Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist ... Feb 4, 2015

Comment woodbuck27:

Am I just imagining that Indy roster players are having issues with the law more than players from other organizatons?

[Smidgeon]

Nice one, Guion. Way to break the Packers' streak of no arrests:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/packers-defensive-tackle-letroy-guion-arrested-for-marijuana/

[woodbuck27]

Nice one, Guion. Way to break the Packers' streak of no arrests:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/packers-defensive-tackle-letroy-guion-arrested-for-marijuana/

Ohh no !

BJ Raji may have just received some more leverage.

[pbmax]

Ouch.

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 27m27 minutes ago
For those asking, it is a "felony" on the marijuana poss. In Florida, it's less than or more than 20 grams. Told "definitely" more than 20.

[denverYooper]

Ouch.

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 27m27 minutes ago
For those asking, it is a "felony" on the marijuana poss. In Florida, it's less than or more than 20 grams. Told "definitely" more than 20.

An oz is 28 g. Guessing he had at least that much.

Dingbat should have chosen Colorado or Washington state for his herbal vacay.

[pbmax]

An oz is 28 g. Guessing he had at least that much.

Dingbat should have chosen Colorado or Washington state for his herbal vacay.

Not trolling. Is an ounce a lot? :lol:

Its been a long time since college. I will say that college me would have looked at his booking photo and concluded "he is baked".


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9A7CydIgAA0u_f.jpg:large

[gbgary]

geesh.

[denverYooper]

Not trolling. Is an ounce a lot? :lol:


Not for someone with money and/or smoking buddies. Colorado law considers 1 oz or less to be personal use.

[woodbuck27]

Not trolling. Is an ounce a lot? :lol:

Its been a long time since college. I will say that college me would have looked at his booking photo and concluded "he is baked".


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9A7CydIgAA0u_f.jpg:large

pbmax an ounce of weed is a lot for a recreational user!


When I look at Guion's booking photo I'm thinking two things up front:

a) He's rather a dashing young man in appearance and happier looking in his mug shot than Warren Sapp was in his taken just this week.

b) He won't be extended an offer by Ted Thompson to remain a Green Bay Packer.

Ohh yea and this:

He should have used more caution. Simply rolled a few joints for his sociable.

An ounce and Sociable (s) = Whoops !

[Smidgeon]

The last Packers arrest was Eric Walden in 2011.

[Smidgeon]

Keeps getting worse:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/letroy-guion-had-nearly-200000-in-cash-on-him-plus-weed-gun/

[denverYooper]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 37m37 minutes ago
In addition to firearm and 357 grams of marijuana in his bag, #Packers NT Letroy Guion also had $190,028.81 in US currency, per the police.

Ok then. I have to think the Packers move on.

[denverYooper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Bf2vMIUAA4OO2.jpg

[mraynrand]

^^^^ Josh Gordon's training table?

[Rastak]

^^^^ Josh Gordon's training table?


That's what he had on him......3/4 of a pound of dope, a loaded 9mm and 190k in cold hard cash on him.

[denverYooper]

Raji's negotiating position just got a lot stronger.

[red]

Damn, he had a decent year too, well good luck in prison.

Maybe he was a mule? Did they check his ass for coke?

[denverYooper]

Damn, he had a decent year too, well good luck in prison.

Maybe he was a mule? Did they check his ass for coke?

Yeah... 190K and a 9 is way more than you need for any transactions involving 3/4 lb of ganja.

[MadScientist]

Damn, he had a decent year too, well good luck in prison.

Maybe he was a mule? Did they check his ass for coke?

They couldn't, his head was blocking their attempt to search.

[Fosco33]

That's what he had on him......3/4 of a pound of dope, a loaded 9mm and 190k in cold hard cash on him.

I don't get why'd he have so much cash. 3 quarters ain't that much - maybe 4-5 grand street value if split up.

Dumb

[wpony]

well at least it frees up more cap room but I really liked the guy I guess thats what we get going for Viking cast offs

[Rastak]

I don't get why'd he have so much cash. 3 quarters ain't that much - maybe 4-5 grand street value if split up.

Dumb

Yea, that's the curious thing.

[hoosier]

Well isn't that a jolly shame.

[Patler]

How much did he have to sell to get $190,000?

[Joemailman]

This might have an impact on my Packers mock draft.

[mraynrand]

"I could use me some of that cash!"

http://cdn.hiphopwired.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/warrensapp.jpg

[denverYooper]

How much did he have to sell to get $190,000?

And what did he sell?

[Joemailman]

He could be in really big trouble if they're able to follow the money.

[pbmax]

I bet his day would make a fascinating movie.

Maybe he was just tilting some betting lines at local tracks for some friends of his. The gun is because, well, some of the neighborhood tracks aren't in friendly neighborhoods. And the dope was for some friends throwing a party to celebrate his (no longer) upcoming contract.

All perfectly ordinary for a day in Florida.

[Fosco33]

And what did he sell?

If it were weed. And 2-3k/lb (from a gbpd article) then we are talking 75-100 lbs.

I'd have to guess he decided to cash out some of his salary and live it up for next 3mo and just had very shitty timing. I hope.

But dude. Keep it in the truck and don't give them cause to search. Know ur rights. Esp when you're holding all that!

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2h2 hours ago
According to Green Bay police, pound of marijuana sells locally for btwn $2,500 and $3,000, though it depends on quality and where it's sold

[denverYooper]

I bet his day would make a fascinating movie.

Maybe he was just tilting some betting lines at local tracks for some friends of his. The gun is because, well, some of the neighborhood tracks aren't in friendly neighborhoods. And the dope was for some friends throwing a party to celebrate his (no longer) upcoming contract.

All perfectly ordinary for a day in Florida.

#FloridaMan

[denverYooper]

If it were weed. And 2-3k/lb (from a gbpd article) then we are talking 75-100 lbs.

I'd have to guess he decided to cash out some of his salary and live it up for next 3mo and just had very shitty timing. I hope.

But dude. Keep it in the truck and don't give them cause to search. Know ur rights. Esp when you're holding all that!

I was thinking that too... that it's very possible he just wanted to grab some cash to party with or because it made him feel like a G.

If that's the case, he should be able to provide a paper trail pretty easily.

[Joemailman]

I was thinking that too... that it's very possible he just wanted to grab some cash to party with or because it made him feel like a G.

If that's the case, he should be able to provide a paper trail pretty easily.

His career is likely over even if he wasn't dealing.


Possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a felony in Florida, punishable by up to five years in prison. Possession of a firearm in commission of a felony "regardless of whether the use of a weapon is an element of the felony" carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison if convicted.

[esoxx]

Bright man.

[Joemailman]

B.J. Raji's agent responding to the news.

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MOURINHO-FIST-PUMPS1.gif

[woodbuck27]

Keeps getting worse:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/04/letroy-guion-had-nearly-200000-in-cash-on-him-plus-weed-gun/

Defense attorney:

" Well yea sure, yaa see. Leetroyy had all thaa money there on him and gun for his own protection.

Cause he was on his way to purchase more 'Mary Jane' for a really REALLY BIG party he has planned for friends. "

[woodbuck27]

POST # 94

Defense attorney:

" Poo Poo ! He was over by what you say!? Three hunred and thirty seven grams ! The lil gun over tharr... weighs more thann thaaat. "

[Guiness]

190K doesn't make sense any way you slice it. There is just no reason to carry around that much cash (except buying a house in Moscow). As mentioned above, possession of the gun with the felony amount of weed...ouch, that's going to sting.

[gbgary]

I don't get why'd he have so much cash. 3 quarters ain't that much - maybe 4-5 grand street value if split up.

Dumb


Yea, that's the curious thing.

probably had so much because he'd already had several sales. got caught with the leftovers.

[yetisnowman]

Never ceases to amaze me. Young player like this, ready for a pay day and a long term deal. And he just can't get out of his own way. Some dudes just want to be mobbing out there in the streets, it really isn't about the money it's the lifestyle they are addicted too.

[Guiness]

probably had so much because he'd already had several sales. got caught with the leftovers.

Would have to be some pretty big sales though, wouldn't it? Near 100lbs? Weed dealers don't generally pull down 200k in a day.

[woodbuck27]

Would have to be some pretty big sales though, wouldn't it? Near 100lbs? Weed dealers don't generally pull down 200k in a day.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTukEejqWyIEwtIA7viER9oO95nrTYFW bw0KG5pIqMvJtnwzbJ0

The Community Weed Cleanup Plan.

Weed sniffing dogs wanted.

[woodbuck27]

Would have to be some pretty big sales though, wouldn't it? Near 100lbs? Weed dealers don't generally pull down 200k in a day.

The price of marijuana per pound.

The price and grade of marijuana depends on where it's grown.

Marijuana from Canada is typically a higher grade and grown using hydroponics.

Canadian grown marijuana can be 300-600% more expensive than marijuana from Mexico and the U.S.A.

Typical prices of marijuana in Florida:

•Jacksonville $600 - $900/$3,000 - $3,750 (High Grade)

•Miami $600 - $1,100/$2,500 - $4,000 (High Grade)

•Orlando $500 - $950

[Rutnstrut]

B.J. Raji's agent responding to the news.

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MOURINHO-FIST-PUMPS1.gif



That's funny because the first thing I thought was, it's all an elaborate frame up by Raji. But I don't think Raji is bright enough to pull it off.

[Delbert Shims]

And o think the only reason I ate cereal, as a Wee Man, was because Tobin Rote's face was on the ceraeal box.

Del

[woodbuck27]

2015 Free Agents ... Alphabetical by last name (according to nfl.com)

Defensive tackles

Terrence Cody, Baltimore Ravens
Colin Cole, Carolina Panthers
Dwan Edwards, Carolina Panthers
Kenrick Ellis, New York Jets
Nick Fairley, Detroit Lions
Andre Fluellen, Detroit Lions
Letroy Guion, Green Bay Packers
Nick Hayden, Dallas Cowboys
Tommy Kelly, Arizona Cardinals
Karl Klug, Tennessee Titans
Terrance Knighton, Denver Broncos
C.J. Mosley, Detroit Lions
Jared Odrick, Miami Dolphins
Stephen Paea, Chicago Bears
Corey Peters, Atlanta Falcons
Ryan Pickett, Houston Texans
Ahtyba Rubin, Cleveland Browns
Pat Sims, Oakland Raiders
Ndamukong Suh, Detroit Lions
Kevin Vickerson, Kansas City Chiefs
Dan Williams, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Williams, Seattle Seahawks
Corey Wootton, Minnesota Vikings

[denverYooper]

RE: Guion

Now @caplannfl reports gun wasn't loaded, in a box, with Minnesota permit. And Guion had bank statements proving $190K was from #NFL checks.

[pbmax]

He's going to need a gun now that everyone knows he's keeping his paycheck in cash.

[woodbuck27]

RE: Guion

Now @caplannfl reports gun wasn't loaded, in a box, with Minnesota permit. And Guion had bank statements proving $190K was from #NFL checks.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2015/0204/nfl_crime_scene_300x200.jpg

It appears then that money and possession with intent to sell are out.

Letroy Guion was arrested for felony possession of marijuana and felony possession of a firearm in his hometown of Starke, Florida.

Marijuana is illegal in Florida even in medicinal cases. Possession is a crime, albeit having less than 20 grams on you is a misdemeanor.

He's in possession of > 20 grams of marijuana. He had between 350-400 grams (that amount is depended on source).

[woodbuck27]

2015 Free Agents ... Defensive tackles

Revised

Letroy Guion signed with the Green Bay Packers on March 17, 2014.

The contract was for 1 year, with a base salary of $730,000. It included a signing bonus of $100,000, roster bonus of $105,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, for a CAP HIT of $985,000.

2015 Free Agent Interior Defensive Linemen:

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Nick Fairley
3. Terrance Knighton
4. Dan Williams
5. Jared Odrick
6. Stephen Paea
7. C.J. Mosley
8. Henry Melton
9. Cory Redding
10. Letroy Guion
11. Corey Peters
12. B.J. Raji
13. Kevin Williams
14. Kenrick Ellis
15. Ahtyba Rubin
16. Tom Johnson
17. Jarvis Jenkins
18. Alan Branch
19. Alex Carrington
20. Dwan Edwards
21. Pat Sims
22. Tommy Kelly
23. Mike Patterson
24. Leger Douzable
25. Karl Klug
26. Colin Cole
27. Kevin Vickerson
28. Tyson Alualu
29. Demarcus Dobbs
30. Brandon Deaderick
31. Andre Fluellen
32. Fili Moala
33. D'Anthony Smith
34. Nick Hayden
35. Jarius Wynn
36. Chris Neild
37. Ricardo Mathews
38. Mitch Unrein
39. Terrence Cody
40. C.J. Wilson

Comment woodbuck27:

I'm just this morning beginning the process of examing these potential FA's.

Does anyone jump out to you as someone TT might bring to Green Bay?

[gbgary]

RE: Guion

Now @caplannfl reports gun wasn't loaded, in a box, with Minnesota permit. And Guion had bank statements proving $190K was from #NFL checks.

yeah...saw that last night. money for his family and whatnot.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8395/joseph-randle

Feb. 05, 2015

Cowboys RB Joseph Randle was arrested on drug charges in Wichita, Kan. on Wednesday morning Feb. 04, 2015.

[Maxie the Taxi]

That's funny because the first thing I thought was, it's all an elaborate frame up by Raji. But I don't think Raji is bright enough to pull it off.

Raji? No. Starke police? Very possible.


According to police, Guion was stopped for failure to maintain a single lane and became hostile with officers during the search of his vehicle, which was initiated after officers detected the smell of marijuana.

"Failure to maintain a single lane" is a way cops can stop anyone they want down here...and they do. This may be a case of the good ole boy network in Starke teaching an uppity hometown prodigal "boy" a lesson.

IMHO, this incident doesn't pass the smell test.

[KYPack]

Raji? No. Starke police? Very possible.



"Failure to maintain a single lane" is a way cops can stop anyone they want down here...and they do. This may be a case of the good ole boy network in Starke teaching an uppity hometown prodigal "boy" a lesson.

IMHO, this incident doesn't pass the smell test.

Starke is as redneck a N FLA town as you can find.

Sounds like some peckerwood cops on the make for cash.

& they snagged Letroy, all righty.

[smuggler]

If they didn't have probable cause to pull him over, the charges will vanish. Depends what the officer's dash cam shows.

My guess is there will be a plea. The gun charge does not seem valid. He wasn't brandishing. It was stored two actions+ removed from use, and there is no gun registration in FL, so why is there a weapons charge?

[Maxie the Taxi]

If they didn't have probable cause to pull him over, the charges will vanish. Depends what the officer's dash cam shows.

My guess is there will be a plea. The gun charge does not seem valid. He wasn't brandishing. It was stored two actions+ removed from use, and there is no gun registration in FL, so why is there a weapons charge?

Crossing a white line lane marker is probable cause in this state/county. I've been pulled over for it, early Sunday AM on a low volume street with no other driver in sight. I believe the Deputy was fishing for drunk drivers.

I wasn't speeding or weaving. I was sipping a coffee and may have drifted across the line going around a curve. This is pure BS.

And KYPack is right. It ain't as bad as it was 20 years or so ago down here...but it is still pretty damn bad...

[Rutnstrut]

Is there actually a weapons charge, or is that just something drummed up by the media because he had a gun? Even being legally cased and unloaded, the media would blow it out of proportion.

[George Cumby]

If they didn't have probable cause to pull him over, the charges will vanish. Depends what the officer's dash cam shows.

My guess is there will be a plea. The gun charge does not seem valid. He wasn't brandishing. It was stored two actions+ removed from use, and there is no gun registration in FL, so why is there a weapons charge?

This. Fruit of the Poisonous Tree and all that.

[smuggler]

The fact that the gun itself was registered in another state leads me to believe that it's not a matter of the gun being an illegal model, though that's not certain. I can't imagine Florida being any more strict on which guns are outlawed than Minny.

[mraynrand]

maybe, like Sapp, he was using sex as a weapon.

[Fosco33]

The fact that the gun itself was registered in another state leads me to believe that it's not a matter of the gun being an illegal model, though that's not certain. I can't imagine Florida being any more strict on which guns are outlawed than Minny.

I heard it's because he had felony amount of weed that the firearm is then a felony as well. If he had gotten pulled over with lots of cash and a gun ONLY - he would have had no trouble (and frankly, wouldn't have gotten or had to allow for search).

To me - it's interesting that ARod tends to gravitate toward seemingly innocent enough guys that get into trouble (Jolly, Guion).

[Smidgeon]

I heard it's because he had felony amount of weed that the firearm is then a felony as well. If he had gotten pulled over with lots of cash and a gun ONLY - he would have had no trouble (and frankly, wouldn't have gotten or had to allow for search).

To me - it's interesting that ARod tends to gravitate toward seemingly innocent enough guys that get into trouble (Jolly, Guion).

I think it's more that AR is complementary towards a lot of people, and the ones that get in trouble are the ones where the quotes are brought up.

[Fosco33]

I think it's more that AR is complementary towards a lot of people, and the ones that get in trouble are the ones where the quotes are brought up.

His quote on Letroy being one of the best teammates ever was before his arrest... and he 'stood up' for Jolly. Twitter from January 6th. https://twitter.com/byryanwood/status/552555804159909888


he may be complementary - but throwing around 'best all around teammate' isn't exactly a small compliment.

ARod on Jolly from June '13
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Aaron-Rodgers-on-Johnny-Jollys-return-to-Packers/a6a0c728-4272-40b6-949a-273b9b1e7f28

[woodbuck27]

Is there actually a weapons charge, or is that just something drummed up by the media because he had a gun? Even being legally cased and unloaded, the media would blow it out of proportion.

He was returning home after a season playing for the Green Bay Packers and that gum was registered in Minny not Wisconsin? What state did he transport said firearm from?

Does the Law in Florida or the USA maintain:

** That he had to get some permit to transport said firearm?

** That he was allowed some grace period to register said firearm?

The real question is:

What was he doing with that firearm in his vehicle even in a case and unloaded? Was that firearm properly stored in the case?

ie Was that case locked?

Lots of questions and the firearm in his possession.

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=woodbuck27;827218]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2353568-dqwell-jackson-arrested-latest-details-comments-on-assault-citation?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

D'Qwell Jackson Arrested: Latest Details, Comments on Assault Citation

By: Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist ... Feb 4, 2015 [QUOTE]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/05/pizza-delivery-man-says-dqwell-jackson-threatened-to-kill-him/

Pizza delivery man says D’Qwell Jackson threatened to kill him

Posted by Mike Florio on February 5, 2015, 3:41 PM EST

Comment Woodbuck27:

What's all the fuss about road rage?

Parking lot rage is hell.

[Joemailman]

Is there actually a weapons charge, or is that just something drummed up by the media because he had a gun? Even being legally cased and unloaded, the media would blow it out of proportion.

Here's the problem with the gun:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/04/green-packers-letroy-guion-arrested-marijuana


Possession of a firearm in commission of a felony "regardless of whether the use of a weapon is an element of the felony" carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison if convicted.

The weapons charge is a bigger problem for Guion than the drug charge. If he wants to play football again, he has to find a way to get the weapons charge dropped.

[The Shadow]

B. J. Raji''s agent is behind the Letroy arrest. He just earned B.J. amother 1.5 million.

[smuggler]

That law will fall in the state supreme court the first time they try to use it against someone like Guion.

[pbmax]

If only Rusty Harden owned a home, and passed the bar, in Florida.

What am I saying, there has to be a Rusty Harden in Florida!

Free LeTroy! Free LeTroy! Free LeTroy!

[woodbuck27]

If only Rusty Harden owned a home, and passed the bar, in Florida.

What am I saying, there has to be a Rusty Harden in Florida!

Free LeTroy! Free LeTroy! Free LeTroy!

Yea !

Some idiot hid 'his stash' in Letroy's truck.

" I don't know nothin' man ! " Letroy

[denverYooper]

Florida: come on vacation, leave on probation.

[woodbuck27]

Florida: come on vacation, leave on probation.

Yea !

Question:

Why so much grass Letroy?

Letroy's response;

That's Canadian grass ! I'm on a long vacation, not here for the weekend.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8395/joseph-randle

Feb. 05, 2015

Cowboys RB Joseph Randle was arrested on drug charges in Wichita, Kan. on Wednesday morning Feb. 04, 2015.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2353640-joseph-randle-arrested-latest-details-and-comments-on-cowboys-rb

Joseph Randel's marijuana charge dropped - Facing a Protection from Abuse order.

[pbmax]

Lisa Robbins ‏@LisaRobbinsFCN 10h10 hours ago
Green Bay Packers DT Letroy Guion Jr. trying to get back nearly $200,000 seized by the Starke PD during a drug arrest

At least he can pay his lawyer. If they can agree to clear the gun charge, then there is perhaps a chance he gets to play next year.

Has word leaked if he was in the drug program? Rans, did he ever get dinged for a positive test in Minny?

[Joemailman]

Lisa Robbins ‏@LisaRobbinsFCN 10h10 hours ago
Green Bay Packers DT Letroy Guion Jr. trying to get back nearly $200,000 seized by the Starke PD during a drug arrest

At least he can pay his lawyer. If they can agree to clear the gun charge, then there is perhaps a chance he gets to play next year.

Has word leaked if he was in the drug program? Rans, did he ever get dinged for a positive test in Minny?

I believe I read this would be his first violation of the NFL drug policy. If that's the case, he would be entered in the drug treatment program, but there would be no suspension. I'm not sure if there is anything in the NFL personal conduct policy that would cause him a problem.

[woodbuck27]

I believe I read this would be his first violation of the NFL drug policy. If that's the case, he would be entered in the drug treatment program, but there would be no suspension. I'm not sure if there is anything in the NFL personal conduct policy that would cause him a problem.

What about paying his price to 'the man'?

Criminal charges?

[Smidgeon]

I believe I read this would be his first violation of the NFL drug policy. If that's the case, he would be entered in the drug treatment program, but there would be no suspension. I'm not sure if there is anything in the NFL personal conduct policy that would cause him a problem.

I'm not sure he'd even be in the drug treatment program since he didn't test positive for using it.

[pbmax]

I'm not sure he'd even be in the drug treatment program since he didn't test positive for using it.

Being caught with it is the equivalent of a positive test.

[woodbuck27]

Being caught with it is the equivalent of a positive test.

It's just not fair....Letroy Guion was being so cautious

operating a vehicle because he knows:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX4z4E4R9YgJxfafpco_3ABOCmjhwrB cl3jAwBj3sJK0O5Twylgw

[Smidgeon]

Being caught with it is the equivalent of a positive test.

Today I learned...

[pbmax]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 2h2 hours ago
On Letroy Guion (#Packers UFA), per source: legal issues are expected to be resolved very soon (could be over next few days).

:whaa:

[MadtownPacker]

Florida: come on vacation, leave on probation.
No shit, I have heard this from lots of peeps. Needs to come to Cali where we coddle our fucking criminals.

[Patler]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 2h2 hours ago
On Letroy Guion (#Packers UFA), per source: legal issues are expected to be resolved very soon (could be over next few days).

:whaa:

If that is true, it indicates they must be letting him off easy.

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3m3 minutes ago
Colts LB Erik Walden allegedly slashed by ex-girlfriend http://wp.me/p14QSB-9JF4

Wonder of its the same women as the incident in Green Bay.

[Guiness]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3m3 minutes ago
Colts LB Erik Walden allegedly slashed by ex-girlfriend http://wp.me/p14QSB-9JF4

Wonder of its the same women as the incident in Green Bay.

Throws the issues he had while he was in GB into a different light, doesn't it?

[Patler]

The girl who attacked him now was Erica Palmer.
The girl in the Green Bay incident was.....Erica Palmer.

Walden said he was just trying to subdue her when she came at him in GB, and as a result, she fell and hit the bedpost. Story does sound more believable now, doesn't it?

[pbmax]

The girl who attacked him now was Erica Palmer.
The girl in the Green Bay incident was.....Erica Palmer.

Walden said he was just trying to subdue her when she came at him in GB, and as a result, she fell and hit the bedpost. Story does sound more believable now, doesn't it?

Obvious brain injury.

[Joemailman]

Bitches be crazy.

[red]

i'm gonna shit a brick if that serial rapist fuck sharper gets off almost scott free

he's reached plea deals in 2 of the 4 cases, the 4th case was just opened today in vegas

should get the chair IMO

[Smidgeon]

i'm gonna shit a brick if that serial rapist fuck sharper gets off almost scott free

he's reached plea deals in 2 of the 4 cases, the 4th case was just opened today in vegas

should get the chair IMO

Apparently money can buy freedom. (Obviously I'm guessing regarding the plea deals.)

[mraynrand]

I'm guessing Sharper is gonna plead guilty for a deal to serve concurrent sentences. Might get him out in (whatever is early release) for a 15 year sentence.

[esoxx]

Did he reach a plea agreement in Louisana yet?

He'll be doing hard labor in that state.

[Smidgeon]

Did he reach a plea agreement in Louisana yet?

He'll be doing hard labor in that state.

New Orleans was one of the two with whom he reached plea deals.

[red]

I'm guessing Sharper is gonna plead guilty for a deal to serve concurrent sentences. Might get him out in (whatever is early release) for a 15 year sentence.

probably true

and that would really piss me off if true

[Guiness]

The girl who attacked him now was Erica Palmer.
The girl in the Green Bay incident was.....Erica Palmer.

Walden said he was just trying to subdue her when she came at him in GB, and as a result, she fell and hit the bedpost. Story does sound more believable now, doesn't it?

Sure does - now I'm only happy he's gone because he lot contain on Kap, not because he lot contain and he was a bad person :-)

This attack took place in Georgia, the last one was in Wi. Was going to ask how they ended up in the same place again, but see that they have 2 kids together. He might've been visiting them and brought along his new gf.

[red]

this guy would know what to do with sharper

http://vipfanauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/dex.jpg

[pbmax]

If it truly is a deal aimed "global" (mentioned in news article on plea) then I doubt you are going to get 4 jurisdictions to agree without serious jail time.

There might be a weak case or two among them, but several women have come forward and some of those were reported immediately. It would seem to be a good base to build on. Sharper could ply them with money, but the sheer number makes that more difficult and unlike someone committed to a livelihood provided by Sharper, they don't have to agree to anything to stay in his good graces.

[Patler]

Sharper is going to prison. Where and for how long is yet to be determined, Per the following article, it sounds like everything is in place for all pending charges, and much will be settled this week with plea changes. Sentencing could be a few weeks out yet.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12521554/darren-sharper-charged-rape-las-vegas




Only prosecutors in Nevada provided details of their part of the deal with Sharper. He is expected to plead guilty there Tuesday to one felony charge of attempted sexual assault, with the expectation that he'll face between 38 months and eight years in prison, Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson told The Associated Press. He had previously been charged in the state with two counts of felony sexual assault, each carrying a possible 10 years to life.

"We are pleased that Mr. Sharper is accepting responsibility for the crimes he committed in Nevada," Wolfson said.

Wolfson said the Nevada prison term would run concurrent with other sentences in other jurisdictions.

"I'm not sure where he's going to serve his time," Wolfson said, "But he's going to serve significant time."

[pbmax]

He also doesn't seem to be avoiding culpability in his actions/methods:


“This plea constitutes a complete vindication of these victims as well as their truthfulness,” Orleans (La.) Parish District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro said in a statement Friday, via the New Orleans Times Picayune.

[Rastak]

He better get 20 years for his actions with credit for time served.

[pbmax]

Not going to lie. If he's in jail, I can't wait to hear how Peter King presents him for the Hall of Fame.

[Rastak]

Not going to lie. If he's in jail, I can't wait to hear how Peter King presents him for the Hall of Fame.

You seem to be in a whimsical mood tonight PB.

[pbmax]

You seem to be in a whimsical mood tonight PB.

I just called Utah over Georgetown in my bracket. 5 over 4 is as good as its gotten for me so far.

Or it was finding this video this morning:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAbuGX-qEY

[Joemailman]

Lawrence Phillips, formerly of the Rams, is suspected of killing his cellmate. Phillips was serving a 31 year sentence. http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x2113180315/San-Bernardino-man-dies-at-Kern-Valley-State-Prison

[Guiness]

Was just searching for this thread to post the link!

[mraynrand]

Lawrence Phillips, formerly of the Rams, is suspected of killing his cellmate. Phillips was serving a 31 year sentence. http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x2113180315/San-Bernardino-man-dies-at-Kern-Valley-State-Prison


No, No, it was the invisible one-armed man in the cell who killed him!

[pbmax]

Aaron Hernandez is going to be away for a long time.

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 3m3 minutes ago
Hernandez found guilty on all charges; automatic life sentence without the possibility of parole.

[MadScientist]

Good riddance. Maybe he'll die early in prison so we don't have to waste good money keeping him alive.

[mraynrand]

Aaron Hernandez is going to be away for a long time.

Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 3m3 minutes ago
Hernandez found guilty on all charges; automatic life sentence without the possibility of parole.

At least there is space available for him:
http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x2113180315/San-Bernardino-man-dies-at-Kern-Valley-State-Prison

[Carolina_Packer]

No, No, it was the invisible one-armed man in the cell who killed him!

You never see the two of them together!

[pbmax]

To paraphrase PFT, Ray McDonald, whose character was assassinated by one of the two charges of domestic violence last year (one was dismissed from the courts) has had his character assassinated AGAIN (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/25/report-ray-mcdonald-arrested-again/)!

Truly Ray is an unlucky man. Clearly his last course correction failed to solve the problem: "I learned a lot from my previous situations, to keep my circle tight. You can’t trust everybody because everybody doesn’t have your best interests at heart."

Its almost as if the problem follows him around, despite trying to control the people around him.

[Patler]

It also appear the McDonald situation will further fuel the fires of discord in the Bear's front office.


The suspension won’t matter if the Bears decide to sever ties with McDonald. Owner George McCaskey has said he initially didn’t want to sign McDonald based on his history. but McCaskey deferred to G.M. Ryan Pace.

For Pace, the incident becomes the first blemish on his record as the architect of the team’s football operation. What Pace does next will likely be a factor in whether the blemish becomes a scar.

[pbmax]

Genius At Work

Ray McDonald is arrested yet again. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/27/ray-mcdonald-is-arrested-yet-again/) He allegedly violated the restraining order placed on him last night.

[pbmax]

It also appear the McDonald situation will further fuel the fires of discord in the Bear's front office.

It might have soured McCaskey on Pace, but Pace has totally restructured the department already. He's dumped a lot of former Bear guys. Might be too late to go back, but the leash might be shorter after this screw up.

[Guiness]

Genius At Work

Ray McDonald is arrested yet again. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/27/ray-mcdonald-is-arrested-yet-again/) He allegedly violated the restraining order placed on him last night.

His lawyer is saying he wasn't served with the order, which means it wasn't in force yet. So he might be off the hook legally, but it doesn't make him any less stupid for going back to the apartment - he could only get in more trouble. I'm pretty sure that TV he wanted back is not worth it...

"You can't fix stupid" sure seems to apply to this guy.

[pbmax]

That excuse might even be worse for him. Because he undoubtedly heard through the court that the protection order was granted. To rest on the technicality of being served is just going to piss off the judge.

[Fritz]

His lawyer is saying he wasn't served with the order, which means it wasn't in force yet. So he might be off the hook legally, but it doesn't make him any less stupid for going back to the apartment - he could only get in more trouble. I'm pretty sure that TV he wanted back is not worth it...

"You can't fix stupid" sure seems to apply to da Bears.

Fixed it.

Are the Bears turning into the Lions of the 2000's?

[Guiness]

And we have our next winner!

The Falcon's Prince Shembo has been charged with kicking a puppy. No, seriously, he kicked a small dog to death! Ok, while we don't know if it was a puppy or not, it was a Yorkshire Terrier, so even if it was an adult, it's still pretty much looks like a puppy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/29/falcons-linebacker-prince-shembo-charged-with-killing-dog/

This is the same guy that was accused of sexually assaulting a girl while he was at ND. His room mate then threatened her via a text and she committed suicide before the police could investigate.

Anyways, the Falcons are now what, three time losers when it comes to animal cruelty? There was Vick, Babineaux (killed his girlfriend's pit bull) and now this! Granted, the Babineaux thing seems to have been warranted (dog was attacking his kid) but still, that's a lota press about dying dogs tied to one team!

And before I even finished posting this, he is a 'former Alanta Falcon'. Guess they didn't want to wait for due process...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/29/falcons-cut-linebackeralleged-dog-killer-prince-shembo/

[mraynrand]

Gives it a whole new meaning!

http://www.shacksign.com/estore/images/NFL%20Cleveland%20BrownsClassic16x14.jpg

[George Cumby]

rape a girl and have your ass covered by university administration , girl kills herself as a result and Dimitroff is ok with you.

Kill a yorkie? Your gone.

I'm glad they took definitive action but fuck this guy, fuck the Failcons and fuck Neuter Dome for their unethical pattern of covering up sexual assaults by their playahs.

I didn't think I could get more disgusted with Ncaa athletics but I was wrong........ Again.

[mraynrand]

I think Shembo is responsible for some reprehensible behavior, but it's not an open and shut case with the girl who overdosed.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/notre-dame-linebacker-admits-sexual-assault-investigation#.esGgE5KzG

“Hey- can we talk in a little bit. I’ve been drinking and something bad happened.”

Fathers, brothers, and friends of women in college - don't let college girls get drunk by themselves or in places where they can be at risk - both from predators and their own drunkeness.

[Guiness]

I think Shembo is responsible for some reprehensible behavior, but it's not an open and shut case with the girl who overdosed.


Ya, I've seen a lot of similar comments that make it sound like he was pretty much a convicted rapist that caused a girl to kill herself. He was involved in something, but it go magnified by an apparent suicide, and by his roomate sending her threatening texts. He wasn't an angel, but ended up coming out of it looking really bad because of the way the school closed the records and muzzled everyone involved. Apparently he was more than anxious to answer questions about it at the combine when he was out of their control.

[Guiness]

Brandon Spikes collecting money to pay for his legal fees...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/brandon-spikes-puts-patriots-afc-championship-ring-on-ebay/

[Joemailman]

Lawrence Phillips, formerly of the Rams, is suspected of killing his cellmate. Phillips was serving a 31 year sentence. http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x2113180315/San-Bernardino-man-dies-at-Kern-Valley-State-Prison

Lawrence Phillips found dead in his jail cell. Being investigated as a possible suicide. A tragic life. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621967/article/troubled-exnfl-rb-lawrence-phillips-dead-at-40

[Freak Out]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/13/report-synthetic-marijuana-caused-chandler-jones-hospitalization/

Wow....not a smart move. Spice is much worse than weed. A good friend is an emergency room MD and she said the spice freaks have flooded the ER lately.

[esoxx]

Lawrence Phillips found dead in his jail cell. Being investigated as a possible suicide. A tragic life. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621967/article/troubled-exnfl-rb-lawrence-phillips-dead-at-40

Very sad.

[pbmax]

Don't Navigators control the Spice?

[mraynrand]

Don't Navigators control the Spice?

No. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/packers/images/2/21/Antonio_Freeman.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100815013254

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Don't Navigators control the Spice?

Fear is the mind, er, packer killer.

[denverYooper]

Fear is the mind, er, packer killer.

That's a Bene Gesserit incantation

[Guiness]

That's a Bene Gesserit incantation

http://content9.flixster.com/photo/10/49/29/10492979_sma.jpg

Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect any who seek it.

[Freak Out]

I knew this is where it was going....you can never escape Dune.

[Freak Out]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qNhlFClX--/18kwz0ogj06erjpg.jpg

[mraynrand]

I knew this is where it was going....you can never escape Dune.

They have tried to sack my quarterback!