Packers 2015 Offseason News and Notes non Draft non FA Edition

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
New #Redskins GM Scot McCloughan is hoping to add #Packers senior personnel executive Alonzo Highsmith to his front office, source said.

[Joemailman]

That would be a loss. Isn't Highsmith in charge of scouting? I also know he had a lot to do with getting Sam Shields to come here.

[mraynrand]

That would be a loss. Isn't Highsmith in charge of scouting? I also know he had a lot to do with getting Sam Shields to come here.

I think Gutekunst is head of college scouting. Highsmith is like primo, extra crispy scout.

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Highsmith might be the Pro Personnel head guy now.

Nope. Super Scout in charge of Nick Sabanland.


An NFL player for six seasons, Alonzo Highsmith enters his 16th year with the Green Bay Packers’ personnel department. He was promoted to senior personnel executive in May 2012 after 13 years on the Packers’ college scouting staff, where he maintained primary responsibility for the Southwest region.

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Highsmith might be the Pro Personnel head guy now.

Nope. Super Scout in charge of Nick Sabanland.

isn't saban in the southeast, or have my geography skills failed me

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isn't saban in the southeast, or have my geography skills failed me

No, you are right. I thought Highsmith was SEC because of his Miami connection. Isn't Miami where they found Shields?

[hoosier]

What do the Redskins need a scout for?

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Key and Peele's Pro Football All Pro Game participants have been announced. Watch for two surprise participants.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp-ABzpRX8

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Mel Kiper gives the Packers 2014 draft class a good grade but says they might have had the best Year 1 production out of any team.

Demovsky gives a summary: http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/18252/starter-pack-kiper-says-rookies-helped-packers-win

[woodbuck27]

Bump

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Advanced Football Analytics (formerly Advanced NFL Stats) has the Packers O line at 8th best in the League.

However, its hugely tilted in favor of their pass blocking. Their run blocking actually lowered expected points by the offense.

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/stats/offensive-players/team-offensive-lines

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http://t.co/lGUyILr97Z

McCarthy thought the Packers were the best team in the League at the end of the year.


“Frankly, the way your season ends always puts a dent on it if you win don’t it all. [But] I thought it was probably one of my best years of coaching,” McCarthy said. “I was hoping to be able to say it was the best and winning in Phoenix [in Super Bowl XLIX] would have done that.

“I know you guys have to cover us like we’re 8-8 every year. I get that. That’s how you guys make your business. But this was a hell of a football team we had this year. And it grew. We had some bumps there early. But I thought every time we were hit with a challenge, they accepted it and they worked at it and we got better.

“I thought we were the best team in football when our season ended. [But] you have to prove it on the field, obviously.”

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From same Wilde piece, gathering ideas for next season:


“They have that ‘Notes’ category. I’m up to 36 already since the season ended,” McCarthy explained Thursday. “I have two [categories]. I have what I call ‘Situations’ and I have ‘Themes.’ [They come to you] when you’re driving or showering or whatever. You’ve got young kids, you don’t get a whole lot of time by yourself. So sometimes Gabby says something, I think, ‘Hey, that’s a great idea.’ Some of the movies that you watch. It carries over.

“[But] it takes forever [to type them in]. I should’ve paid more attention to Mr. Stanzak and his [high-school] typing class.”

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Analytics in the Four Major Sports. Packers rank in the second group, get dinged for McCarthy's non-use in games and Thompson only beginning to dabble. But have respected researcher (Eayrs) and have adjusted their practice schedules to data on athletic performance.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings#nfl-gnb

[mraynrand]

Key and Peele's Pro Football All Pro Game participants have been announced. Watch for two surprise participants.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp-ABzpRX8

The dude with his beard cut like a face mask is genius.

[vince]

Analytics in the Four Major Sports. Packers rank in the second group, get dinged for McCarthy's non-use in games and Thompson only beginning to dabble. But have respected researcher (Eayrs) and have adjusted their practice schedules to data on athletic performance.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings#nfl-gnb
This is an interesting and rapidly evolving subject for the game of football.

I think the use of analytics has strong potential to differentiate and/or validate what people see - because so many people watch the exact same thing yet see things radically different. So many different variables impact outcomes that it's difficult (at best) to model and analyze.

And at the same time the game changes so rapidly and players develop so much that they sometimes outpace reliable sample sizes for how various teams and players are likely to respond in different situations. So you've got to be careful about what data you look at and how you use it all.

I think there's a national conference on cybermetrics in football if I'm not mistaken. Or perhaps it encompasses all sports. There's a lot to be learned yet in using analytics in football I'd say, but it's time to dive in, build up the data and start making some models at minimum. Practice situations, injury probabilities, officiating tendencies...those seem to be good places to start but I do think analytics can aid coaching and GMing decisions too. Again those get very complex very quickly though. Not including all the variables that impact an outcome can lead to bad conclusions.

For the time being, I'll take Ted's experience and gut over some Moneyballer all day long. He's analytical enough on his own. RoboTed can wait until the real deal is gone.

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Analytics should support experience and knowledge in the field, not replace it.

/ begin rant
Please allow me a tangential vent. Colin Cowherd mocks analytics (often mere hours after offering them in support of his position, but save that for later) and nerds for being stat obsessed. He even has a nerd voice for the routine. But what completes the circle jerk is that when he is discussing Hall of Fame cases, he starts by decrying stats nerds, claims he knows a Hall of Famer when he sees it, and then begins to rattle off total career numbers (All-Pro, Pro Bowl, HRs, doubles, rebounds, etc.).

One day you will here about a sports radio listener who has wrapped his car around a tree because instead of driving, he was yelling at Cowherd in the car. That will be me, sometime between 9AM and 1PM or so. I actively try to avoid him, but n some places in the State, you can't get any other sports station.
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Back to the topic at hand, analytics offer support and context, occasionally clarity where there was fog before. M3 didn't have clue one why his team was always more injured until he hired a sports science and nutrition guy who changed the way the players were fed, hydrated and altered the schedule to something unheard of in M3's experience. If you want to solve a problem that has resisted your solutions for a long period of time, you have to look for information and expertise elsewhere. This is something analytics and data can help with.

They also help you correct normal human biases and help place context around events. Thompson doesn't need help identifying who can play, but data and analytics might help him project better where the player should be drafted (possibly even where he likely will be drafted) and might help identify the blindspots.

I don't want RoboTed to be GM, but I want RoboTed sitting next to mostly human Ted.

[vince]

Agree on all fronts. Cowherd's a punk hack who knows radio but not football.

[mraynrand]

One day you will here about a sports radio listener who has wrapped his car around a tree because instead of driving, he was yelling at Cowherd in the car. That will be me, sometime between 9AM and 1PM or so. I actively try to avoid him, but n some places in the State, you can't get any other sports station.

you could try listening to music

[mraynrand]

I don't want RoboTed to be GM, but I want RoboTed sitting next to mostly human Ted.

http://bestmoviesevernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/trouble-with-the-curve-clint-eastwood-john-goodman-robert-patterson-e1344399676110.jpg

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you could try listening to music

Burned out on music radio a long time ago. After that burned out on talk radio. I need to switch to satellite.

Or drive less.

[mraynrand]

I need to switch to satellite.


Good luck with that
https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.snl.com/SNL_0544_07_Update_2_Al_Franken.png

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That skit was fantastic. The pleading to come home, those mobile satellite uplinks are heavy.

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Does anyone remember an elbow or bicep injury for Matthews? Was this pic from this year?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-tAwkBUcAAyXun.jpg:large

[Patler]

Ya, I think he was on the injury list for his bicep at one point. I think it happened in practice.

[Patler]

December 17:



T Bryan Bulaga (concussion, did not practice)
CB Davon House (shoulder, did not practice)
RB Eddie Lacy (eye, limited participant)
G T.J. Lang (ankle, limited participant)
LB Clay Matthews (biceps, limited participant)
OLB Mike Neal (abdomen, limited participant)
OLB Nick Perry (shoulder, limited participant)
G Josh Sitton (toe, did not practice)

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Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 9m9 minutes ago
Peppers doesn't hit any of up to $2M in salary escalators, will make $9.5M in salary, Rstr bonus & W/O bonus in '15 http://pck.rs/1BuLiXa

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Good lord is Mulumba big. And I think Clay is taking his Pitch Perfect movie co-stars to heart. He looks like Lang's younger brother.


https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11005122_1546884545571456_2135533252_n.jpg

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I usually think of Hayward as not having outside speed, but he was 4.47 and Twill was 4.59. Haven't seen much of Hayward outside due to injury and seniority, so maybe it's just a matter of playing time. It seems the Packers are comfortable with where they are, so it must have something to do with Hayward, because Hyde isn't that guy.

From GBPG:


Hayward's 40-yard dash time at the NFL scouting combine ranged from 4.53 seconds (the average hand-held time of his two 40s) to 4.57 seconds (his fastest electronic time), both of which are a little below average for his position. For instance, according to data from 1999 through 2014 compiled by Tony Villioti of the National Football Post, the average time for a cornerback at the combine is 4.48 seconds, based primarily on players' fastest electronic timing.

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Same Article: http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2015/03/16/thompson-suddenly-scrambling-at-cornerback/24876911/


The Packers also are paying for Thompson's chintzy handling of former cornerback Jumal Rolle, who last October signed from their practice squad to the Houston Texans' 53-man roster.

Rolle outplayed Goodson in training camp, but Goodson made the final 53 on potential. That's not uncommon in personnel decisions, and Goodson's concussion at the end of camp complicated matters. But what made no sense was Thompson leaving a spot open on the 53-man roster for nearly two weeks early in the season while Rolle still was on the practice squad.

[mraynrand]

Interesting about Hayward from the combine. That matches what I remember (he's slower) better than the 4.47 I found somewhere (pro day?).
Packer have to draft bring in a corner or two. They are just too thin on the outside.

[HarveyWallbangers]

According to NFL Draft Scout, Williams and Hayward both timed 4.57, but Williams set his time at his Pro Day--which are generally faster the times at the combine. (Williams didn't get a combine invite.) The article makes it seem like Williams is faster than Hayward, but I don't think that is the case--especially at this point in their respective careers.

[Joemailman]

Davante Adams' awesome dunk:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/19414/green-bay-packers-wr-davante-adams-can-dunk-too

[vince]

Davante Adams' awesome dunk:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/19414/green-bay-packers-wr-davante-adams-can-dunk-too
That's fucking sweet. Not many guys in the NFL who could do that. He needs to do that with a football over the goal post some day - soon.

[vince]

I guess that's a 15 yard penalty now so scratch that.

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Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky 3/18/15, 1:01 PM

Jamari Lattimore visits the Jets. #Packers likely to let him walk as they revamp their ILB position.
http://es.pn/1ErppDW

[Patler]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky 3/18/15, 1:01 PM

Jamari Lattimore visits the Jets. #Packers likely to let him walk as they revamp their ILB position.
http://es.pn/1ErppDW

I'm beginning to wonder if they will even have any ILBs when camp rolls around.

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I'm beginning to wonder if they will even have any ILBs when camp rolls around.

New ILBs.


https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11005122_1546884545571456_2135533252_n.jpg

[MadScientist]

If Dom can create a defense with 0-1 down linemen, he can create one without an ILB. Then we can all come here and bitch about how ineffective it is.

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If Dom can create a defense with 0-1 down linemen, he can create one without an ILB. Then we can all come here and bitch about how ineffective it is.

so, you also see us pulling out a 1-2-8 look in the near future?

[Freak Out]

Welker to GB?

[Patler]

New ILBs.


https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11005122_1546884545571456_2135533252_n.jpg


Yup, that's what I've been wondering. Mulumba? Neal? Perry? Elliot? Can one of them become a new breed of ILB?

[MadScientist]

If Dom can create a defense with 0-1 down linemen, he can create one without an ILB. Then we can all come here and bitch about how ineffective it is.


so, you also see us pulling out a 1-2-8 look in the near future?
Yes and then a 5-2-4 on the next down by substituting only 1 player.

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Yes and then a 5-2-4 on the next down by substituting only 1 player.

lol

[mraynrand]

UNSOUND!

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Did I hit or miss with this one?

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 54m54 minutes ago
Jed York on replacing Jim Harbaugh: We're focusing on our core strengths. I think we got away from that http://wp.me/p14QSB-9JBa

PackerRats.com ‏@PackerRats 36m36 minutes ago
4 Core Strengths 1.Hiring unqualified HC 2.Overrating Trent Baalke 3.Psychotic Press Conf @profootballtalk 4.Pantsless team mtgs

[mraynrand]

PB, do you own Packerrats twitter? I mean, are you the exclusive poster?

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we have a twitter?

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PB, do you own Packerrats twitter? I mean, are you the exclusive poster?


we have a twitter?

Yes to the second. For the first, Mad had the login and gave it to me to use. Not sure if he or anyone have/use it.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

we have a twitter?

I thought only the female of the species had a twitter???

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I thought only the female of the species had a twitter???

no, thats a twatter

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McCarthy is from Pittsburgh, and therefore refers to both Twatters and Twitters and the Tweeter.

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Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2m2 minutes ago
Asked Woodson about CM3 move: Whats crazy is when I was here I used to try to urge Dom to use Clay a little bit more in other areas of field

He's just the best kibbitzer in the business.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480256/article/biggest-free-agency-winners

Biggest Offseason Winners (includes Pack):



Green Bay Packers

The Packers entered free agency with the potential of losing two essential cogs in their offense. Instead, not only did they retain Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga, they kept them both at a discount. In today's market, to get not one but two prime-time players to agree to take less money is unheard of. It. Just. Does. Not. Happen. Except, apparently, in Green Bay, where Aaron Rodgers plays his pipe and all step to his tune. The Packers watched two corners be overpaid on the open market and won't blink. They were built to handle those types of losses. Entering the draft, Green Bay will have a "glaring weaknesses" list so small you can fit it on a grain of rice. And let's not forget the rest of the NFC North helping to grow the grins in Green Bay: Detroit lost its best defensive player who tried to injure Rodgers last season; the Bears kept Jay Cutler as their quarterback; and the Vikings might trade the best running back in football. Oh, I'd say it was a darned good offseason for the Packers. Ted Thompson, sir, you lead one charmed life you son of a ... -- Kevin Patra

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 29m29 minutes ago
Blandino: If a receiver doesn’t establish himself as a runner, he has to hold onto the ball through the ground.

Prediction: This won't help.

[smuggler]

That was already the case, though.

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i think so many people are so confused by the rule that the nfl can just say they fixed the rule, and most people wouldn't know any difference

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Belichick speaks highly of McCarthy, now is time to read WAY too much into it.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=40&post_id=48551


“Well, I mean, first of all, I’d say Mike’s one of the best coaches in the league, one of the best coaches I’ve ever gone up against,” Belichick replied. “I’m sure whatever he’s doing is the right thing. I have a lot of respect for him. I’m sure whatever decisions he’s making for the Green Bay Packers are good ones and ones that he thinks are right. I personally wouldn’t question anything he does.”

...

“I’m just telling you, that’s what I think,” Belichick continued. “And I’d say since I’ve been with the Patriots, even going back to Cleveland, there’s been times where I’ve met daily with the offense, times where I’ve met daily with the defense, times that I meet with the quarterbacks, times that I meet with the special teams. It’s not the same every year, it’s not the same every week, so I do what I feel like is best for our football team.

“And I’m sure that’s what Mike’s doing – whatever that is. I don’t even know. Whatever it is. That’s the way I look at it.”

[mraynrand]

Cheat is basically saying: "Leave me the *uck alone, stop asking me questions about another team's decisions, and yeah a guy who wins most of his games and makes the playoffs all the time probably know what he's doing."

[Fritz]

Mel Kiper gives the Packers 2014 draft class a good grade but says they might have had the best Year 1 production out of any team.

Demovsky gives a summary: http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/18252/starter-pack-kiper-says-rookies-helped-packers-win


Indicative of the way the Packers do business, a GBPG article called five of the class "redshirts," and suggested this year MM wants to see some of them break out. And not in a rash.

I found illuminating this quote on Kyri Thornton, contrasting him to Abbrederis:

'"I think Thornton has really turned the corner in the weight and conditioning part of it," he said. "And Jared is here every day. So, he just has to get stronger, a little bigger. Everybody felt great about the way he showed in spring and the training camp he was having. So, yeah, definitely. It won't be lack of work ethic, that's for sure.​"'

Turned the corner? In other words, he got his head out of his ass.

Nobody's talked much about Mike Pennel, but I wonder if he has an opportunity to start in GB, and if his potential will influence a decision about whether to bring back Guion or Raji or both.

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so, guion got busted for a pound of weed, a gun, and $200k in cash, and gets off with a $5,000 fine and no charges

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/letroy-guion-reaches-plea-deal-to-end-his-criminal-case/

must be nice

[Joemailman]

Indicative of the way the Packers do business, a GBPG article called five of the class "redshirts," and suggested this year MM wants to see some of them break out. And not in a rash.

I found illuminating this quote on Kyri Thornton, contrasting him to Abbrederis:

'"I think Thornton has really turned the corner in the weight and conditioning part of it," he said. "And Jared is here every day. So, he just has to get stronger, a little bigger. Everybody felt great about the way he showed in spring and the training camp he was having. So, yeah, definitely. It won't be lack of work ethic, that's for sure.​"'

Turned the corner? In other words, he got his head out of his ass.

Nobody's talked much about Mike Pennel, but I wonder if he has an opportunity to start in GB, and if his potential will influence a decision about whether to bring back Guion or Raji or both.

Weight and conditioning is usually more of an issue for 300+ lb. DT's than it is for wide receivers. Hopefully Thornton will get it together.

I would like to see them bring in Raji, Pennel and Guion and let the 3 of them battle it out for 2 spots.

[mraynrand]

so, guion got busted for a pound of weed, a gun, and $200k in cash, and gets off with a $5,000 fine and no charges

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/letroy-guion-reaches-plea-deal-to-end-his-criminal-case/

must be nice


stellarperformance says:
Mar 24, 2015 5:44 PM
The gun was registered, the money was a payment from the Packers, and the smoke was confirmed as his weekly private consumption amount.

LOL

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wish i had a weekly private consumption amount

[smuggler]

I mean, if you have a large entourage, it's conceivable you and your people could smoke it and you'd never sell any. Still, that's a lot of hash...

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Seriously doubt even wist could consume that if he played golf all week.

But never mind that. Let's bring him back. I hope he is just in Stage 1 of the Drug Program. Might miss a suspension.

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Nobody's talked much about Mike Pennel, but I wonder if he has an opportunity to start in GB, and if his potential will influence a decision about whether to bring back Guion or Raji or both.

He is a monster and if he gets the hang of playing with technique and a little discipline, he was play like a monster.

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EDIT:
Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 18s19 seconds ago
Again, I misunderstood what the Nelson injury was. It was his hip. Will clarify more in the blog in a little bit. #Packers

ORIGINAL POST:
Jordy Nelson had surgery.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1h1 hour ago
McCarthy says WR Jordy Nelson's knee surgery was a cleanup and took place after Pro Bowl. Said its 6-8 weeks and things went well. #Packers

Possible reason his production tailed off or was he simply drawing the lion share of coverage?

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1h1 hour ago
Nelson's knee issue was not related to the surgery in 2013.

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 59m59 minutes ago Phoenix, AZ
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy on what's next for @ClayMatthews52 after ILB: "I think you move him to safety next."

[mraynrand]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 59m59 minutes ago Phoenix, AZ
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy on what's next for @ClayMatthews52 after ILB: "I think you move him to safety next."

How about ST? Perhaps he would cover/block the correct guy, and do it well.

[LP]

Should have said QB just to see how many tongues he could start wagging.

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Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 5m5 minutes ago
Also, Murphy said plans are in place to renovate old luxury boxes and convert them to open air capability. Said #Packers fans requested it.

#PackersFansAreNuts

:D

[Joemailman]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 5m5 minutes ago
Also, Murphy said plans are in place to renovate old luxury boxes and convert them to open air capability. Said #Packers fans requested it.

#PackersFansAreNuts

:D

Reminds me of back in the 1990's someone actually floated the idea of the Packers putting a dome on Lambeau. Packer fans were up in arms against it. Someone wrote "You can give Packer fans 30 years of listless, pathetic football, but if you try to keep them warm and dry, that's going too far!"

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Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 5m5 minutes ago
Also, Murphy said plans are in place to renovate old luxury boxes and convert them to open air capability. Said #Packers fans requested it.

#PackersFansAreNuts

:D

old?

you mean the ones that are just 12 years old?

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Reminds me of back in the 1990's someone actually floated the idea of the Packers putting a dome on Lambeau. Packer fans were up in arms against it. Someone wrote "You can give Packer fans 30 years of listless, pathetic football, but if you try to keep them warm and dry, that's going too far!"

i've wondered why the roofs that they use in england haven't cought on in the US. makes it louder and a lot better then watching a game in a dome

something that keeps the rain and snow off the fans yet still lets all the light in

like so

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Stamford_Bridge_Clear_Skies.JPG

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or

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Signal_Iduna_Park_Panorama.jpg

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old?

you mean the ones that are just 12 years old?

Yep.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=40&post_id=48671

They are going to try to make the windows open AND add heating so the die-hards don't get too chilly.

[mraynrand]

They are going to try to make the windows open AND add heating so the die-hards don't get too chilly.

Young man, are you trying to heat the whole neighborhood? Shut that door!

[Joemailman]

i've wondered why the roofs that they use in england haven't cought on in the US. makes it louder and a lot better then watching a game in a dome

something that keeps the rain and snow off the fans yet still lets all the light in

like so

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Stamford_Bridge_Clear_Skies.JPG

Those things would cast from pretty weird shadows on the field at certain times.

[Joemailman]

Packers are expected to reveal new throwback uniforms soon.

Perhaps early 1950's version?

http://prod.static.packers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/site/history/uniform-history/uniform_1952.jpg

[smuggler]

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/upload/SW-Packers-21.jpg

Another possibility. (Forgive the Jennings reference.)

[Joemailman]

Does the alternate uniform have to be one you've worn in the past? That's a great uniform.

[smuggler]

No it doesn't. The helmet just has to be the same regardless of the uni. You can remove or change the logo, but can't change the helmet.

[pbmax]

Murphy said its a throwback though.

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http://www.espnwisconsin.com/upload/SW-Packers-21.jpg

Another possibility. (Forgive the Jennings reference.)

very close to the ron wolf jersey

https://packerperspective.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1994proposed.gif

i like both

[Smidgeon]

very close to the ron wolf jersey

https://packerperspective.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1994proposed.gif

i like both

I've always liked the Ron Wolf one.

[Freak Out]

No thanks.

[pbmax]

Don't want to muddy Badger coverage with debate over what amounts to celebrity criticism. But its perfect for the offseason, four weeks out from the draft.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/297914511.html

Rodgers getting grief cheering for the Badgers, not wearing red, being on the court and not doing interviews. Dennis Dodd, who I have read and normally seems perfectly sane, lost his mind on Twiiter last night.

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 15h 15 hours ago
Aaron Rodgers in one of the biggest moments in the state's history -- ignoring how media has shaped his image -- "I'm not doing interviews"

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
Dear Wisco fan: If it was about the Badgers, then why was A Rodgers on court? Credentialed media only.

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
Here's the equivalent of what A Rodgers did today. I crash his wedding to Olivia because I'm a big "fan."

THAT SHOULD BE UNHINGED TWEET OF THE YEAR

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
Media had to stay outside three point line (really) while Badgers cut nets. A Rodgers allowed unrestrained access to court. Fair?

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
Still wondering what difference is between two uncredentialed fans on court. One dates an actress and is good at sports. Other isn't.

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
I can guarantee you this will be taken up by NCAA and USBWAA. A Rodgers shouldn't be in a position for us to be blown off.

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 13h 13 hours ago
Where do we draw the line? USC can't have celebs on sideline anymore after sanctions. But feel-good A Rodgers can be on court with Badgers?

LOVE THIS LOGIC. USC HAD CELEBRITIES. USC CAUGHT CHEATING. USC HAD CELEBRITIES BANNED. UW SHOULD BAN CELEBRITY BECAUSE ...?

[pbmax]

And the QB fires back:

Aaron Rodgers @AaronRodgers12
To the biggest twitter crybaby of the night, I had a pass to be on the court. Send your complaints to the A.D. #quitcrying #youreajoke

Aaron Rodgers @AaronRodgers12
Also with interview requests, sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes it's no. I'm not there for u, I'm there to support my friends n UW.

Aaron Rodgers @AaronRodgers12
2 semesters at Butte
3 semesters at Cal
10 years a Wisconsin resident.
I'll pull for any team I want.
But I don't wear red.


Spoon: Why doesn't Rodgers wear red? Because he's a proud Cal Golden Bear. Cal fans are known to chant, "Take off that red shirt!" to anyone wearing cardinal — Stanford's official color.

[red]

sounds like someone got a bruised vagina when he wasn't granted an exclusive interview

the cutting down of the nets is for players coaches, friends ad family. NOT for the blood sucking leaches that are the media horde

besides, dodd is a college FOOTBALL writer, what right did he have being on the court?

[Patler]

Wow, what a crybaby. Easy to see why athletes, etc. get fed up dealing with them.

[smuggler]

Is Rodgers engaged to Munn? Dodd getting ahead of himself, crashing hypothetical weddings.

[Joemailman]

Did it occur to this guy that Rodgers wasn't doing interviews because he understood this moment wasn't about him? It was about the Wisconsin players?

[red]

Did it occur to this guy that Rodgers wasn't doing interviews because he understood this moment wasn't about him? It was about the Wisconsin players?

exactly

[pbmax]

Did it occur to this guy that Rodgers wasn't doing interviews because he understood this moment wasn't about him? It was about the Wisconsin players?

I would say something caused him to lose ALL perspective. Maybe he thought they had a football connection. Or there was nothing better to do because it was the net cutting ceremony and no one else was available.

[Teamcheez1]

Anybody who cheers for the Badgers goes down a notch in my book.

[Rutnstrut]

I know nothing about Dodd, so this is a legit question. Does he have something against Rodgers? Has he said/written anything in the past to indicate this? In any event I like how Rodgers declined any interview. To me it showed respect for the Badgers.

[Patler]

I know nothing about Dodd, so this is a legit question. Does he have something against Rodgers? Has he said/written anything in the past to indicate this? In any event I like how Rodgers declined any interview. To me it showed respect for the Badgers.

I agree completely about Rodgers. He understands that not everything is about him, even when writers/broadcasters don't. I also wonder the same about Dodd. Sure seems like an outrageous overreaction on his part.

[mraynrand]

Spoon: Why doesn't Rodgers wear red? Because he's a proud Cal Golden Bear. Cal fans are known to chant, "Take off that red shirt!" to anyone wearing cardinal — Stanford's official color.

That's a serious rivalry. Cal thinks the f-ers on the Farm are pinot-swilling elitist snobs, and they would be right. Tree thinks Bezerkeley folks are insane, low bred, don't shower or use deodorant, and they would be right.

[mraynrand]

Dodd = whining jock-sniffer

[pbmax]

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 6h6 hours ago
The #Packers have released tackle Aaron Adams: http://pack.rs/2rm7z

[pbmax]

Passing choices on 3rd down.

Scott Kacsmar
‏@FO_ScottKacsmar
It's as if Alex Smith is playing a different sport.

Average Air Minus Need Yards Diff. since 2012 @ArrowheadPride


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCnN1JhVIAAksFV.jpg:large

[denverYooper]

That's clutch.

[Patler]

Passing choices on 3rd down.

Scott Kacsmar
‏@FO_ScottKacsmar
It's as if Alex Smith is playing a different sport.

Average Air Minus Need Yards Diff. since 2012 @ArrowheadPride


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCnN1JhVIAAksFV.jpg:large


What does that show????? "Air Minus Needs Yards Differential"? What the heck is that? (I could guess, but I don't want to.)

[pbmax]

How far down the field the ball was thrown for the catch. Its passing yardage minus YAC.

[Patler]

How far down the field the ball was thrown for the catch. Its passing yardage minus YAC.

Then what is the "Minus Needs" part of it?

I thought it was air yards gained minus yards needed on third down, showing that Rodgers throws for 3+ more yards than he needs, on average.

[mraynrand]

I had to pay the AMND on my tax return.

[Guiness]

Passing choices on 3rd down.

Scott Kacsmar
‏@FO_ScottKacsmar
It's as if Alex Smith is playing a different sport.

Average Air Minus Need Yards Diff. since 2012 @ArrowheadPride



Air Minus Need? So, how far past the first down marker they throw the ball?

edit: Patler beat me to the guess

[pbmax]

Then what is the "Minus Needs" part of it?

I thought it was air yards gained minus yards needed on third down, showing that Rodgers throws for 3+ more yards than he needs, on average.

Sorry, I only defined the first part. Air Yards is yards passing minus YAC.

Minus needs is taking distance for a first down (possibly distance to score near goal line-but unsure as I haven't read all the details) and subtracting it from the throw. And yes, this is only third down.

I am not sure it tells you much about Rodgers versus Manning, but it does tell you that Alex Smith is very trusting of his receivers to get YAC for a first.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sorry, I only defined the first part. Air Yards is yards passing minus YAC.

Minus needs is taking distance for a first down (possibly distance to score near goal line-but unsure as I haven't read all the details) and subtracting it from the throw. And yes, this is only third down.

I am not sure it tells you much about Rodgers versus Manning, but it does tell you that Alex Smith is very trusting of his receivers to get YAC for a first.

Probably why he's considered a dink and dunk QB. The one thing Smith has going for him though is his mobility. I wonder what his stats are for scrambling first downs. He doesn't run a lot, but it seems to be effective (much like Rodgers).

[smuggler]

It's like you took Rodgers and his distaste for turnovers and then stripped away the arm strength and big plays...

[Guiness]

but it does tell you that Alex Smith is very trusting of his receivers to get YAC for a first.

Ya, you'd go with that...if you were his agent!

[pbmax]

Technically FA related but of the underrated variety

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 18m18 minutes ago
ICYMI: The #Packers have signed former Wisconsin-Whitewater QB Matt Blanchard. Info & photos: http://pack.rs/2t5hz

[Guiness]

Technically FA related but of the underrated variety

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 18m18 minutes ago
ICYMI: The #Packers have signed former Wisconsin-Whitewater QB Matt Blanchard. Info & photos: http://pack.rs/2t5hz

Looks like a camp arm. They're calling him a second year player, but it's his 4th year in the league - he was a UDFA in 2012. Also managed to get injured a couple of times, badly enough to get a settlement the first time and the other landing on IR while in camp or on the PS.

[smuggler]

Last season was a nasty concussion...

[Joemailman]

Kudos to Andrew Quarless for throwing off the shackles of reality:


"I consider myself the top echelon of tight ends," Quarless said, per the Green Bay Press Gazette. "That's really where I see myself and that's really where I'm trying to take it. A couple other guys like (Rob Gronkowski) and a couple guys who are up there. I put myself in that bracket. That's definitely where I'm training to be."

[Bretsky]

Kudos to Andrew Quarless for throwing off the shackles of reality:

We should trade him now while his value is so high !
Apparently Seattle upped their offer from a Burger to a Milk Shake

[mraynrand]

Kudos to Andrew Quarless for throwing off the shackles of reality:


"I consider myself the top echelon of tight ends," Quarless said, per the Green Bay Press Gazette. "That's really where I see myself and that's really where I'm trying to take it. A couple other guys like (Rob Gronkowski) and a couple guys who are up there. I put myself in that bracket. That's definitely where I'm training to be."

Aim high. Good for him.

[denverYooper]

Aim high. Good for him.

I'm training to be just slightly above average.

[mraynrand]

I'm training to be just slightly above average.

But you know, Bob, that makes you work just hard enough not to get fired.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BUSZFA0rmio/TW0GBQHWlpI/AAAAAAAACCk/LBCU-bOgFoc/s1600/officespace.jpeg

[Pugger]

Q makes himself sound foolish when he says he considers himself in the upper echelon of TEs. I have no issue with him saying he's striving for that goal but you don't say it unless you can back it up and I don't think he can. IMO he's an average NFL TE. We'll never know how much that brutal injury robbed him of his potential.

[Patler]

If you read only the one sentence, it sounds a bit pompous. If you read the entire quote, especially in the context of the entire article and his other comments, I think it is very clear that he was saying that he sees himself capable of being in that group, so he is working hard to get there. I don't think there is a doubt in his mind that he can and needs to get better.

Another example of a single statement out of the context doing a disservice to the subject.

[pbmax]

Well, I can't put this in the "Can't stay out of jail" thread.

Colt Lyerla ‏@LongLiveLyerla 6m6 minutes ago
My DUI case from Oct was officially DISMISSED today. S/O 2 the justice system for allowing me 2 prove my innocence.
Thanking the #GoodVibes

[mraynrand]

GoodVibes comes through again.

[red]

we cut him right?

wouldn't mind him coming back for camp

[smuggler]

He's one dog that cannot learn new tricks. Unfortunately, the things that are wrong with him are in his head and 100% cemented.

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 3h3 hours ago
#Packers not likely to pick up fifth-year option on Nick Perry. Decision must be made by Sunday.
http://es.pn/1EJepaW

[Bretsky]

not a 3-4 fit

[Joemailman]

not a 3-4 fit

Especially mentally. Never wanted to play for a 3-4 team.

[pbmax]

Especially mentally. Never wanted to play for a 3-4 team.

Show me the full quote.

[3irty1]

Perry not a fit for a 3-4 is still nonsense and has always been nonsense. He's a pass rusher who spends the vast majority of snaps rushing the passer. Perry not setting the world on fire has little to do with fit.

[Joemailman]

Perry not a fit for a 3-4 is still nonsense and has always been nonsense. He's a pass rusher who spends the vast majority of snaps rushing the passer. Perry not setting the world on fire has little to do with fit.

Unless he lacks the ability to rush the passer out of a 2 point stance. This was Kampman's issue. It might be a problem for Perry.

[3irty1]

Unless he lacks the ability to rush the passer out of a 2 point stance. This was Kampman's issue. It might be a problem for Perry.

Kampman could no longer rush the passer with a hand on the ground either. He declined steadily in 2008 in our 4-3 and never looked any better after going back to a 4-3 in Jacksonville.

[smuggler]

The problem with Kampman was everything other than rushing the passer. And staying healthy, of course.

[Patler]

Kampman was always a solid run defender. He had about a two year window during which he was very good rushing the passer, but I think linemen figured him out, because he didn't generate as consistent pressure his last season at DE for the Packers as he had previous years. I actually thought his one year as a LB for the Packers resulted in more consistent pressure than the previous year, even though he didn't get home for sacks.

[Smidgeon]

Kampman was always a solid run defender. He had about a two year window during which he was very good rushing the passer, but I think linemen figured him out, because he didn't generate as consistent pressure his last season at DE for the Packers as he had previous years. I actually thought his one year as a LB for the Packers resulted in more consistent pressure than the previous year, even though he didn't get home for sacks.

If I remember correctly, his pressure statistics that LB year backed that up. He was getting close a lot, but not getting home. Like Clay in his third or fourth year.

[pbmax]

I remember that, a little like Perry, Kampman's best pass rushing move that one year was his bull rush, which is what Capers and Greene teach/taught first.

Perry has struggled to master a second move, Kampman might have with more time. But he had little interest in doing so.

[3irty1]

Perry's issue was that his style didn't match his best physical traits. He was a KGB-style speed rusher in college but was built like a brick shithouse. You'd like to see him be able to go through a guy with all that size and strength. I think they drafted him hoping they could turn him into Shawne Merriman. Obviously he's not elite like that but has transformed himself a bit into that mold. He's stout as hell against the run and a lot more physical in his pass rush. I think he's a better rusher than his sack numbers would indicate. I hope they find a way to resign him.

[pbmax]

Perry's issue was that his style didn't match his best physical traits. He was a KGB-style speed rusher in college but was built like a brick shithouse. You'd like to see him be able to go through a guy with all that size and strength. I think they drafted him hoping they could turn him into Shawne Merriman. Obviously he's not elite like that but has transformed himself a bit into that mold. He's stout as hell against the run and a lot more physical in his pass rush. I think he's a better rusher than his sack numbers would indicate. I hope they find a way to resign him.

One of the fan blogs actually wrote that his problem is that he is assignment unsound and then cannot recover due to issues with lateral quickness.

I have rarely seen him out of position but his lateral quickness does come into play when changing direction or pursuit.

[3irty1]

One of the fan blogs actually wrote that his problem is that he is assignment unsound and then cannot recover due to issues with lateral quickness.

I have rarely seen him out of position but his lateral quickness does come into play when changing direction or pursuit.

When a guy runs a 4.5 at 270 lbs, benches 35 reps, jumps 38 inches, and gets drafted in the 1st round what he does in coverage or pursuit is icing on the cake. That man's only path to being considered a success should be what he does one-on-one rushing the passer and all I'm saying is that if you can do that you're a fit anywhere. Perry's game is only worth picking apart because he hasn't become the elite pass rusher you hoped for when you drafted him in the first round. If he was good in pursuit he'd be Shea McClellan and still not worth a first round pick. That said Perry's not a full-blown bust either. He is way more useful on a football field than McClellan.

[Bossman641]

Yep. Perry hasn't reached the heights I hoped he would but he hasn't been a bust either. And of course we always have this...even if it was taken away by a garbage flag.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/8063709757_a324604fe7_o.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xTYos4Rswpo/UHHOZa-Bo7I/AAAAAAAABmI/xJpsKWP7z7c/s1600/LuckNailedByPerry.gif

[mraynrand]

That said Perry's not a full-blown bust either. He is way more useful on a football field than McClellan.

So is my dead Grandmother.

Never draft a McClellan - those guys just don't have the desire to throw their full weight into the battle.

[Fritz]

I posted elsewhere that I wonder if Perry has any more ceiling to rise to, or if he is what he is. he is, as 3rty 1 said, a useful player. He seems pretty stout against the run and he can bull rush a pass blocker into a QB, but he doesn't get many sacks and he can't cover his privates.

I wonder if he's working on a second move. I sometimes wonder if that Reggie swim move would suit him.

[mraynrand]

I wonder if he's working on a second move. I sometimes wonder if that Reggie swim move would suit him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6S5v6lLEgs

[Fritz]

Sex has been selling for a long, long time.

[pbmax]

That said Perry's not a full-blown bust either. He is way more useful on a football field than McClellan.

Agree with that. I think Perry is actually more sound against the run than Clay and I would not be stunned if Perry/Neal in the lineup helped the run defense as much as Clay in the middle.

[pbmax]

That clip is his career in a nutshell. Unblocked, great hit on the QB and a forced fumble. All called back on a penalty.

[smuggler]

Wasn't that in a preseason game anyway?

[pbmax]

Wasn't that in a preseason game anyway?

Perry's hit on Luck? Nope, week 5, 2012.

[pbmax]

OTAs and Minicamp Dates, some available to public: all via packers.com

Offseason workouts for the Packers will begin on April 22, with OTAs slated for May 28-30, June 3-5 and June 10-13. Teams are allowed to conduct a total of 10 OTAs. The mandatory minicamp, which will conclude the offseason program and lead into the final break before training camp, will be from June 17-19. Training camp starts July 26, players report on the 25th.

Open to the public:
OTAs on May 29, June 3 and June 10, slated for 11:30 a.m. each day, will be held at Ray Nitschke Field and be open to the public, weather permitting. The three-day mandatory minicamp, slated for June 17-19, also will be at Nitschke Field and open to the public, though the exact schedule for the minicamp has not been announced.

[Brandon494]

Agree with that. I think Perry is actually more sound against the run than Clay and I would not be stunned if Perry/Neal in the lineup helped the run defense as much as Clay in the middle.

Oh it did for sure and I believe thats a reason they reach early for an ILB because they liked what they saw with that package.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1m1 minute ago
It's official: the #Packers did not execute OLB Nick Perry's fifth-year option. He will be a free agent in '16. Not a surprising move.

Defense of the '11 and '12 drafts comes at a high cost.

[Bretsky]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1m1 minute ago
It's official: the #Packers did not execute OLB Nick Perry's fifth-year option. He will be a free agent in '16. Not a surprising move.

Defense of the '11 and '12 drafts comes at a high cost.


No surprise at all here and a good move by GB

[red]

the option would have paid nick around 7 million for next season. thats way to much for a guy who is basically a role player on the team. not terrible, but nowhere near a 7 million dollar a year guy

i would hope he continues to improve and the team resigns him in the 4-5 million dollars a year range

[red]

Yep. Perry hasn't reached the heights I hoped he would but he hasn't been a bust either. And of course we always have this...even if it was taken away by a garbage flag.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/8063709757_a324604fe7_o.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xTYos4Rswpo/UHHOZa-Bo7I/AAAAAAAABmI/xJpsKWP7z7c/s1600/LuckNailedByPerry.gif

helmet to shoulder of a QB is a personal foul in todays NFL

in fact, hitting the QB too hard at all, is a flag

[smuggler]

The best thing is that the ref with the good angle on the play keeps his flag in his pocket. The ref with no sight angle at all goes right for the zebra tissue...

[esoxx]

He should have caved in the side of his leg. That way he gets the sack and no flag.

Gotta play by the rules.

[Bretsky]

the option would have paid nick around 7 million for next season. thats way to much for a guy who is basically a role player on the team. not terrible, but nowhere near a 7 million dollar a year guy

i would hope he continues to improve and the team resigns him in the 4-5 million dollars a year range


4-5 MIL ???

[pbmax]

The best thing is that the ref with the good angle on the play keeps his flag in his pocket. The ref with no sight angle at all goes right for the zebra tissue...

If you watch the big sideline video, you can see him dip his head and the ref behind that, which is visible from his side, goes for the flag. I wouldn't be surprised if the flag was for that and not the slide up/head forward contact between helmets after the hit.

[Patler]

I have always felt that if Luck's head hadn't whiplashed so violently, nothing would have been called. That made it look like a violent hit under his chin. Luck must not have seen him coming at all.

[Carolina_Packer]

When a guy runs a 4.5 at 270 lbs, benches 35 reps, jumps 38 inches, and gets drafted in the 1st round what he does in coverage or pursuit is icing on the cake. That man's only path to being considered a success should be what he does one-on-one rushing the passer and all I'm saying is that if you can do that you're a fit anywhere. Perry's game is only worth picking apart because he hasn't become the elite pass rusher you hoped for when you drafted him in the first round. If he was good in pursuit he'd be Shea McClellan and still not worth a first round pick. That said Perry's not a full-blown bust either. He is way more useful on a football field than McClellan.

I know others picked up on the McClellan comment, but your comment about Perry's measurable and being a fit anywhere vs. the production the team has seen is interesting. Did the Packers have the wrong vision for this guy, and he may have worked out better in another defensive scheme, was his development slowed by all of his injury concerns, or do you think there's another reason he hasn't lived up to his first round projection?

[pbmax]

Bob McGinn's Scouts on Aaron Rodgers: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/203116571.html


NFC scout: "I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback. Thing I struggle with him is he gets sacked a lot. He doesn't have great ability to change the release of the football. He's mechanically very rigid. Brett Favre can change his release point and find different windows. There will be more growing pains with Alex Smith but in the end he has a much better chance to be much better."

Much more at the link. But the takeaway is that scouts, speaking publicly, are much more certain about physical attributes and have NO idea whether someone will be successful translating their game to the pros.

[3irty1]

I know others picked up on the McClellan comment, but your comment about Perry's measurable and being a fit anywhere vs. the production the team has seen is interesting. Did the Packers have the wrong vision for this guy, and he may have worked out better in another defensive scheme, was his development slowed by all of his injury concerns, or do you think there's another reason he hasn't lived up to his first round projection?

A job as a 4-3 DE would allow him to showcase his strength of setting the edge more regularity and rarely ask him to drop into coverage masking one of his biggest deficiencies. My point was that a 4-3 isn't going to make him any better of a pass rusher though and that's really the only way he can "fit" in any scheme as more than a backup and certainly the only way he could be worth a 1st round draft pick. Shawne Merriman would have benefited from a 4-3 in the exact same ways as Perry but nobody cared about fit because you take elite pass rushers in any mold you can find them.

[pbmax]

67,000 tickets sold out for Favre retirement ceremony. I doubt most of those are paying to boo.

I had thought there would be decent presence of unhappy fans at the Bears game for the jersey ceremony. Think it will be a small minority now.

[gbgary]

67,000 tickets sold out for Favre retirement ceremony. I doubt most of those are paying to boo.

I had thought there would be decent presence of unhappy fans at the Bears game for the jersey ceremony. Think it will be a small minority now.

you got that right. smart move by the organIzation.

[Bossman641]

So I know we like to joke on how inept the Packer training staff is...but this article indicates that they diagnosed Bush with a groin pull when he actually had a sports hernia. I know this isn't the first time we've seen a player misdiagnosed. How common is this?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/cornerback-jarrett-bush-training-for-life-after-packers-b99500048z1-303693961.html

[pbmax]

I wonder if this is as bad as it sounds or if groin pull and sports hernia are, somewhat inaccurately, describing the same thing and there were simply multiple choices for treatment. Because if they missed this for two years, they have to look at changing their Docs. If I were a player, I would ALWAYS get a second opinion on anything that doesn't respond as the team Doc advertises.


For two years, Bush thought he had a groin pull. He'd rest, return and the pain lingered. The confusion lingered. So this off-season he sought a second opinion in Sacramento, Calif., and an MRI exam revealed a sports hernia. Free agency began March 10, he had surgery March 17 and now ... he's waiting.

Bush realizes the Green Bay Packers likely have moved on.

[red]

I wonder if this is as bad as it sounds or if groin pull and sports hernia are, somewhat inaccurately, describing the same thing and there were simply multiple choices for treatment. Because if they missed this for two years, they have to look at changing their Docs. If I were a player, I would ALWAYS get a second opinion on anything that doesn't respond as the team Doc advertises.

thats unreal, but not surprising with our training staffs track record

that might also explain why bush seemed to be playing much better the last two years then usual for him, he was hurt

[3irty1]

I don't think this is that big of a screw up. Not like the Charles Johnson thing.

In the timespan of a football season the treatments are the same: ice, compression, rest, physical therapy for the thighs and abs, and anti-inflammatory drugs. The diagnosis really matters if its surgery time which I'm guessing it is.

[red]

by itself its not a big deal, when you add it to all the other things, it looks like a bigger problem

didn't someone else on the team have something similar to this a few years back? or am i just thinking of hayward and his season ending hamstring issues?

[pbmax]

67,000 tickets sold out for Favre retirement ceremony. I doubt most of those are paying to boo.

I had thought there would be decent presence of unhappy fans at the Bears game for the jersey ceremony. Think it will be a small minority now.

Well, some will still boo:

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 2h2 hours ago
I would have preferred for Favre to be awarded a quiet statue posthumously--after Rodgers.

[MadScientist]

I wonder if this is as bad as it sounds or if groin pull and sports hernia are, somewhat inaccurately, describing the same thing and there were simply multiple choices for treatment. Because if they missed this for two years, they have to look at changing their Docs. If I were a player, I would ALWAYS get a second opinion on anything that doesn't respond as the team Doc advertises.

They initially present the same, but a pull will recover, whereas the sports hernia pain will return once activity is resumed. It needs surgery to fully heal. The fact that the medical staff let this linger for 2 years is what shows their incompetence, rather than the initial misdiagnosis. Here's an article on the difference.
http://www.sportshernia.com/groin-pain-sports-hernia/

[pbmax]

wrong thread bonehead

[pbmax]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 4m4 minutes ago
There was a time in the Packer's history when pride mattered. Apparently that is dead.

Guesses:
1. First round pick (safety to CB and small)
2. Second round pick (1 year college, former Ball player)
3. Jeopardy Rodgers
4. Pitch Perfect 2
5. Ted's Press Conferences
6. Favre

[vince]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 4m4 minutes ago
There was a time in the Packer's history when pride mattered. Apparently that is dead.

Guesses:
1. First round pick (safety to CB and small)
2. Second round pick (1 year college, former Ball player)
3. Jeopardy Rodgers
4. Pitch Perfect 2
5. Ted's Press Conferences
6. Favre
Pitch Perfect 2 hands down. That's just embarrassing. Apply for Mad Max or stay home boys.

Mr. Rodgers button down sweater is a distant second - but at least you can say that was done in jest. And he brought home $50,000 to the MACC Fund so that's very cool.

[red]

its embarrassing that our o-linemen even know what a pitch perfect is, much less take part in the sequel

[pbmax]

Review from family: not as good as the first, actually a little less innuendo, safer for younger kids. Packers were funny and their singing performance was OK. Acting was atrocious, so they will have to stay with musicals or opera. Matthews was the best with lines. Bach was the worst.

[run pMc]

They initially present the same, but a pull will recover, whereas the sports hernia pain will return once activity is resumed. It needs surgery to fully heal. The fact that the medical staff let this linger for 2 years is what shows their incompetence, rather than the initial misdiagnosis. Here's an article on the difference.
http://www.sportshernia.com/groin-pain-sports-hernia/

I also wonder if this is part of the "everyone plays hurt" and "can't make the club in the tub" culture of the NFL. I wouldn't doubt if Bush underplayed the severity of the injury so he could stay on the active roster. It's speculation, but I'd think it happens frequently.

[pbmax]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 3h3 hours ago
Julius Peppers led NFL in 2014 with 11 pass disruptions (balls batted at LOS + incompletions caused by hitting QB in motion)

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 3h3 hours ago
J.J. Watt was 2nd w/10, but interesting split

Peppers: 6 batted, 5 hit in motion
Watt: 9 batted, 1 hit in motion


Peppers also named 71st best player in the League by nfl.com's countdown.

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Packers News ‏@PGPackersNews 10m10 minutes ago
His 4th team since #Packers cut him last October. MT @herbieteope: Chiefs sign former Packers TE Ryan Taylor: http://bit.ly/1FFcjJB

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Robert Zizzo @robertzizzo · May 20
#Packers agree to deal with 3rd-round draft pick @TyMontgomery2. http://pck.rs/1efLK1G

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Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 22m22 minutes ago
The #Packers have signed Northwest Missouri State cornerback Travis Manning (5-11, 196) and announce Ty Montgomery has signed his deal

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Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 7h7 hours ago
Just confirmed @RobDemovsky's report that Packers area scout Lee Gissendaner is now national college scout for NY Jets.

[Patler]

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 7h7 hours ago
Just confirmed @RobDemovsky's report that Packers area scout Lee Gissendaner is now national college scout for NY Jets.

Good for him. Nice to see members of the Packers front office being recognized for their success.

He has been in GB a long time. It is a real loss, as he was reported to be one of the real solid scouts that have made the Packers so successful. But, the packers seem to find (or develop) good scouts one after another, and the history of Packer scouts moving on to bigger and better things will attract the good ones to GB.

[Fritz]

Good for him. Nice to see members of the Packers front office being recognized for their success.

He has been in GB a long time. It is a real loss, as he was reported to be one of the real solid scouts that have made the Packers so successful. But, the packers seem to find (or develop) good scouts one after another, and the history of Packer scouts moving on to bigger and better things will attract the good ones to GB.

Maybe he's got a son the Packers can hire. Did you notice this year that Elliot Wolf was more front-and-center than ever before? He's certainly rising through the ranks.

I don't know if it's the quality of the scouts or the intensity of focus throughout the organization, but the Packers seem to scour the bushes more thoroughly than other organizations - there they go again, this time signing another corner who'd been in two other teams' rookie camps. Of course, the vast majority do not end up on the team, and fewer still as significant contributors, but in a game whose rules are based on achieving parity, any talented stone you can unearth is an advantage.

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Just because.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqbcj0dg5AE

[George Cumby]

That one never gets old. Thanks for that. Refresh my memory, why did he get 86'd? He punch a coach or something?

[mraynrand]

Just because.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqbcj0dg5AE

Ahhh, I remember that one well. Too bad I deleted my photo bucket account...

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?18671-Wayne-Simmons-Tribute-to-a-Badass&highlight=wayne+simmons

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That one never gets old. Thanks for that. Refresh my memory, why did he get 86'd? He punch a coach or something?

Holmgren thought he was unstable and was't a fan.

[Fritz]

Holmgren thought he was unstable and was't a fan.

He was unstable. I thought that was part of the point.

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Apropos of International Fútbol only, I am pretty sure the guy in charge of Reuters headlines and Twitter has been trolling Sepp Blatter for two straight days.

Things like this:

ReutersBreakingviews ‏@Breakingviews 60m60 minutes ago
The Sepp Blatter guide to executive survival: http://reut.rs/1LLFtG5 @robertspcole #FIFA

:lol:

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Doug Farrar ‏@SI_DougFarrar 1h1 hour ago
Per @PFF_Steve (thanks for the data, man!), NFL teams had 5 or more DBs on the field on 60% of plays. 4 DBs on 38.2%. Slot CBs are starters.

UNSOUND!

Those rough and tumble Seahawks were in nickel 49% of the time.

Casey Hayward gets some love too: http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/27/hidden-talents-slot-cornerbacks-brandon-boykin-jerraud-powers-casey-hayward

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Speaking of unsound, I just got a chill thinking about the Steelers playoff loss to Tebow and how it mirrored the Packers lost to the Seachickens in some ways.

Wilson is more than Tebow, but the similarities of their best routes and throws, and the manner in which LeBeau and Capers attacked their O just gave me great pause.

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They are all signed.

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 5h5 hours ago
#Packers signed 1st round pick Damarious Randall.

[run pMc]

He was unstable. I thought that was part of the point.

Me too. I honestly thought Simmons was either either straight-up crazy or mean as a scorned woman. That was the appeal of watching him...you never knew if he was going to pull a gun out and shoot someone a la "Last Boy Scout" or just drag a RB by the arm and lift him up so he could throw him down with more force. IN THE METRODOME.

In this day he probably would have been dinged a couple of rounds and drafted later for failing the psych tests. I kind of miss him. ;)

[Fritz]

I think the defense could use one guy like him....funny, I don't remember him getting stoopid penalties for late hits like some guys do. He seemed smart, just effin' crazy. Be fun to see Marshawn Lynch try to run through him.

[Patler]

I think the defense could use one guy like him....funny, I don't remember him getting stoopid penalties for late hits like some guys do. He seemed smart, just effin' crazy. Be fun to see Marshawn Lynch try to run through him.

Even as recent as then, officiating wasn't as nit-picky as now on late hits or the type of tackle made. Continuing after the whistle to finish a tackle was tolerated if not excessively late or excessively rough. What was done to get a guy to the ground wasn't scrutinized except for face mask grabbing. The "horse-collar" tackle was OK until 2005. Illegal contact rules in pass coverage were more lax than today. If rules and enforcement had been the same then as now, I think he would have gotten a lot of penalties.

[Fritz]

Even as recent as then, officiating wasn't as nit-picky as now on late hits or the type of tackle made. Continuing after the whistle to finish a tackle was tolerated if not excessively late or excessively rough. What was done to get a guy to the ground wasn't scrutinized except for face mask grabbing. The "horse-collar" tackle was OK until 2005. Illegal contact rules in pass coverage were more lax than today. If rules and enforcement had been the same then as now, I think he would have gotten a lot of penalties.

True - unless he would have been able to modify his style. I'm not sure if he could have, but perhaps he could. He'd have had to learn how to hit in the particular way this is acceptable now.

But he still coulda blown up Marshawn Lynch.

[mraynrand]

True - unless he would have been able to modify his style. I'm not sure if he could have, but perhaps he could. He'd have had to learn how to hit in the particular way this is acceptable now.

But he still coulda blown up Marshawn Lynch.

I woulda been content if he stayed on the field with four minutes left

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Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 26s27 seconds ago
#Packers have signed TE Harold Spears and released CB Travis Manning: http://pckrs.com/yz8l

[Patler]

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 26s27 seconds ago
#Packers have signed TE Harold Spears and released CB Travis Manning: http://pckrs.com/yz8l

Interesting that they released Manning, since I think they still have an open roster spot from the guard they released a few days ago. Are they waiting for Bush to pass his physical to fill it?

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Interesting that they released Manning, since I think they still have an open roster spot from the guard they released a few days ago. Are they waiting for Bush to pass his physical to fill it?

Bush is talking to other teams, I doubt they are holding his spot.

Packers signed Randall after dropping guard Reed. If draft picks don't count in the 90 man roster until they are signed, then they might still be at 90.

[Patler]

Bush is talking to other teams, I doubt they are holding his spot.

Packers signed Randall after dropping guard Reed. If draft picks don't count in the 90 man roster until they are signed, then they might still be at 90.

They included Randall before. I'm quite sure they are at 89.
I was kidding about Bush, since some have been waiting for him to be gone for years.

There really isn't much reason to sign anyone right now just to fill a spot. If there is someone you want to see, sure; but with nothing happening for the next 6 weeks TT might be content with keeping a spot open in case a position is thin at the start of camp and they need a camp body to fill it. There always seems to be a couple guys who injure themselves just before camp opens, and they are mostly spectators at the start of camp.

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How healthy were the Packers starters (Top 22 in number of starts)? Second most starts in the League.

http://www.footballperspective.com/games-started-by-each-teams-top-22-starters/

Cowboys 14.5
Packers 14.4

[vince]

The Packers have had success when they've been the most injured team in the league as well. Rodgers is the obvious killer but they seem to have the depth and ability to overcome injuries pretty much everywhere else.

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Peter King: http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/20/nfl-training-camp-primer-peter-king-schedule/2/


Green Bay: Damarious Randall, defensive back. Don’t know if he’ll play cornerback (where he’ll start camp) or safety, but I’m betting corner, after the losses of Davin House and Tramon Williams in free agency. Green Bay needs a playmaker in the secondary. That’s what Randall was drafted to be.

If he is playing safety, then something catastrophic has happened to one of the starters, given the needs at CB. I think Peter is getting his depth chart info from Athlons.

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King again: http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/20/nfl-training-camp-primer-peter-king-schedule/4/


Green Bay wideout Jared Abbrederis at 24 (http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/02/sam-bradford-philadelphia-eagles-chip-kelly-nfl-the-mmqb-100/2/#anchor5)

Second link takes you to this (copy editor should get a talking to). I don't know what to say about a man who tries to guess who has decisive role in one play at the Super Bowl before training camp starts. On the other hand, King may just have cursed Magic with some Bostick residue.


26. Jared Abbrederis, Wide Receiver, Green Bay Packers

No, we’re not really arguing that a 2014 fifth-round pick who spent his rookie year on injured reserve will be one of the most influential figures in the NFL this season. But think about it: At this point last summer, could anyone have foreseen that an undrafted Division II defensive back, who’d lingered on the Patriots practice squad and wasn’t far removed from a stint at Popeyes, would make the decisive play in Super Bowl 49? Or that a third-string Green Bay tight end with nine career catches would swing the NFC Championship Game with one flash of bad judgment and a pair of slippery hands? Every year some anonymous player—Super Bowl hero Malcolm Butler, NFC title game goat Brandon Bostick—plays a major role in a significant game, emerging from out of nowhere to stamp his imprint on the season, for good or bad. In past years it has been Malcolm Smith, Kyle Williams, David Tyree, Larry Brown, Timmy Smith. In 2001, a scrawny second-year backup QB stepped in for the injured starter in Week 2 and proceeded to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory. So take a bow, Jared Abbrederis: In the eyes of The MMQB, you stand for all the unknown, unsung battlers in the NFL—one of whom, we guarantee, will take his place in football history at some point in the 2015 season.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If he is playing safety, then something catastrophic has happened to one of the starters, given the needs at CB. I think Peter is getting his depth chart info from Athlons.

:) Good ole Athlons.

[Joemailman]

:) Good ole Athlons.

Speaking of which, I need to run out and buy a magazine to get ready for fantasy football.

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Brandfather?

Aaron Rodgers has a stake in, and will presumably be shilling for, a high-end Beef Jerky company.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/meet-hollywood-brandfather-whos-pairing-811758


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/675x380/2015/07/thr_rohan_oza.jpg

Everyone on the planet, including me, is going to think that is Aaron Rodgers for a couple of minutes.