THE official fire zook thread

[red]

i don't care if he's been named the new ST cord or not

[pbmax]

NFL stands for Not For Long.

Better to be prepared. But here is some Ron Zook doesn't care photos.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JQaaRBzH--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/18s4b5a4d6byzjpg.jpg

[Pugger]

i don't care if he's been named the new ST cord or not

Don't we have to hire him as ST coordinator before we can fire him?

[George Cumby]

Guilty until proven innocent, I say.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Don't we have to hire him as ST coordinator before we can fire him?

It's called being proactive.

[denverYooper]

It's called being proactive.

We are, if nothing else, forward-thinking citizens here at PackerRats.

[Smidgeon]

I'm on board. ST is and always will be a disaster until it's not.

[woodbuck27]

Don't we have to hire him as ST coordinator before we can fire him?

Next year it'll all change.

Special Teams will be called 'Special' Special Teams.

We don't want a man heading up 'Special' Special Teams with a surname ending with the last letter of the alphabet.

It's a karma related thing.

[Zool]

K?

[Carolina_Packer]

We are, if nothing else, forward-thinking citizens here at PackerRats.

If you recall your early 80's American pop albums, the Packerrats thinking in this thread reminds me of this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41yR-QnLmrL._SY300_.jpg

[red]

Don't we have to hire him as ST coordinator before we can fire him?

he is already on the payroll as assistant special teams coordinator for that cluster of a mess that were our special teams this season

its my guess he played a decent sized role in what happened this year, because we all know slocum can't even tie his shoe laces

zooks, special teams have been historically bad, and he would be a terrible guy to promote

so, we need to be proactive with this thread

[woodbuck27]

he is already on the payroll as assistant special teams coordinator for that cluster of a mess that were our special teams this season

its my guess he played a decent sized role in what happened this year, because we all know slocum can't even tie his shoe laces

zooks, special teams have been historically bad, and he would be a terrible guy to promote

so, we need to be proactive with this thread

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSj6idmETINfHtc4QuV3kquZ6xgYO-jefltI9Wkr852DLOu5AifEA

Yeahh ! We're a happy family here and so it's Zookie's turn....

Uhh !? What's that and real change?

Effort and 'the hire' ?? Jeeeeshh ..... come on !

I don't know much about Special Teams ...I'm just 'the Guy' here.

[woodbuck27]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSXMcw4XvqdsA9J9M82alpALzT3cBxh Cv2KQDBf_pZtwESC5AK

[pbmax]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSXMcw4XvqdsA9J9M82alpALzT3cBxh Cv2KQDBf_pZtwESC5AK

That's only if you let him have the controls as head coach. Before that, he was a National Championship D coordinator.

[woodbuck27]

That's only if you let him have the controls as head coach. Before that, he was a National Championship D coordinator.

http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/ron-zook/a8fc9709-3342-4a62-a59b-6e351f314e13

Prior to making his return to College football and Florida, Zook enjoyed six years as an assistant in the NFL.

** 2000-01 when he served as DC for the New Orleans Saints and forged a relationship with Mike McCarthy, the Saints OC. The Saints’ defense led the NFL with 119 sacks over the course of his two seasons and ranked No. 10 in the league in points allowed in 2000.

** In 1999, he coached defensive backs for the Kansas City Chiefs. Zook tutored CB James Hasty, who tied for the NFL lead with a career-high seven INTs and was named to the Pro Bowl. The Chiefs ranked No. 5 in the NFL with 25 INTs that season and tied for No. 2 with five INT-TDs. The 25 INTs were the most by the club since it posted 31 during the 1986 season.

** In 1996-98 Ron Zook was the ST's coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

In 1997, Zook oversaw a Steelers’ kickoff return unit led by returner Will Blackwell that ranked No. 6 in the NFL with a 24.7-yard average. That same season, he guided veteran K Norm Johnson to the fourth-best field-goal percentage in the league, an 88.0 mark that ultimately stood as the second highest of the specialist’s 18-year career.

While in Pittsburgh, Zook also worked with current Packers safeties coach Darren Perry and defensive/special teams assistant Jason Simmons, who were both defensive backs and special teams contributors during his time with Pittsburgh.

That's likely your man.

[Bretsky]

Let's call a spade a spade.......when we hired this guy my reaction was WTF ?????????????????/

We brought in this ILL reject coach in to fix specials. Our ST got worse.

So let's hire the assistant of our most f'cked up squad after firing the head guy......HOW HAS THAT WORKED FOR US
???????????????????????????????

Nice job MM

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bush hasn't even effed up in the 2015 preseason yet and red and is all over firing the ST coach.

Man I love this place.

[pbmax]

bump

[run pMc]

Bush hasn't even effed up in the 2015 preseason yet and red and is all over firing the ST coach.

Man I love this place.

This made me spit out my coffee laughing.

[sharpe1027]

Fire Slocum day was Wed. What day is Fire Zook?

[red]

Fire Slocum day was Wed. What day is Fire Zook?

its probably gonna end up being gameday

[red]

yup, its gonna be a gameday thing

[pbmax]

FIRE ZOOK!

[Joemailman]

Miss me yet?

http://media.jrn.com/images/slocum10713.jpg

[Bretsky]

Let's call a spade a spade.......when we hired this guy my reaction was WTF ?????????????????/

We brought in this ILL reject coach in to fix specials. Our ST got worse.

So let's hire the assistant of our most f'cked up squad after firing the head guy......HOW HAS THAT WORKED FOR US
???????????????????????????????

Nice job MM


This

[pbmax]

This

Quoting your own post.

1 demerit.

[King Friday]

Zook is a fool. We've not improved one bit on special teams. McCarthy's loyalty is not a redeeming quality in his position.

[pittstang5]

Zook is a fool. We've not improved one bit on special teams. McCarthy's loyalty is not a redeeming quality in his position.

This

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/zooks-task-is-to-turn-around-performance-of-special-teams-b99557900z1-323341521.html


In Pittsburgh, where Zook coached under Bill Cowher, his phrase of choice urged players not be a "label reader," and Cowher was, understandably, stumped.


"He'll just spit out something and it's crazy," said Banjo, who along with safety Sean Richardson agreed on arguably Zook's favorite saying: You can't put 10 pounds of (expletive) in a 5-pound bag.


That is when Zook, already wired, will approach Hyde and inform him that he "slept slow" the night before. Zook can see it in his eyes. "I don't know how anybody sleeps fast," Hyde said.


"I first worked with Ron in 2000," coach Mike McCarthy said. "...They think he has energy now, you should have seen him then. Yeah, he's got great energy and he has just a great personality and spirit to him."

Let me quote Winston Wolfe, Esq., from the esteemed outfit of Wallace, Winnfield and Vega. "Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character."

[mraynrand]

NFL stands for Not For Long.

Better to be prepared. But here is some Ron Zook doesn't care photos.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JQaaRBzH--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/18s4b5a4d6byzjpg.jpg

liar

[mraynrand]

Jason Simmons is a quality guy. Hard working family man. Nice guy to talk to. He will be the difference. His injured knee is a problem however.

[sharpe1027]

Quoting your own post.

1 demerit.

PB, I agree, but it could be that we're just behind the times. Maybe quoting your own post is the hip way of taking a selfie in an online forum.

[pbmax]

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 6m6 minutes ago
After the #Packers' punt coverage until was flagged for 12 men on the field in 2nd quarter, there were 10 on the field during re-punt

[pbmax]

liar

That's not all. I just called out Bretsky for something I do all the time if I have been later proven right or wrong on some obscure point no one else cares about.

So I am also a hypocrite. If I was another poster, I would put me on ignore.

[mraynrand]

That's not all. I just called out Bretsky for something I do all the time if I have been later proven right or wrong on some obscure point no one else cares about.

So I am also a hypocrite. If I was another poster, I would put me on ignore.

I was just noting that you only posted (1) photo, not photos. (edit: I see you were admitting to your fraudulent and misleading posts, as well as to other infractions. Carry on)

[Joemailman]

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 6m6 minutes ago
After the #Packers' punt coverage until was flagged for 12 men on the field in 2nd quarter, there were 10 on the field during re-punt

Well then it all averages out okay.

[pbmax]

I was just noting that you only posted (1) photo, not photos.

Yeah, I got it. Was not really serious in response.

[pbmax]

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1h1 hour ago
Boy, only 10 on the field again during third-quarter punt return where Janis called for the fair catch #Packers

It would be comical, if not for the tragic elements.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, I got it. Was not really serious in response.

neither was I :)

[mraynrand]

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1h1 hour ago
Boy, only 10 on the field again during third-quarter punt return where Janis called for the fair catch #Packers

It would be comical, if not for the tragic elements.

There was another ST play where someone ran on the field the last second, 'defending' a FG I believe. Zook could be seen yelling at someone. First half.

Good thing Stubby is taking a stronger interest in ST. :roll:

[red]

in my experiences, assholes that just yell and scream but don't actually know their head from their ass, don't make good bosses

he may be full of energy, but his resume shows he doesn't actually know jack shit

and it just pisses me off to no end that we sat on our asses trying to figure out how to keep our good buddy slocum while other PROVEN ST coaches were available. then when we were told or "decided" we could no longer keep our buddy, and everyone else was gone, we decided to hire our buddies understudy, our other buddy

[Bretsky]

in my experiences, assholes that just yell and scream but don't actually know their head from their ass, don't make good bosses

he may be full of energy, but his resume shows he doesn't actually know jack shit

and it just pisses me off to no end that we sat on our asses trying to figure out how to keep our good buddy slocum while other PROVEN ST coaches were available. then when we were told or "decided" we could no longer keep our buddy, and everyone else was gone, we decided to hire our buddies understudy, our other buddy



THIS THIS THIS

I find it pure failure on MM's part that he didn't know...before the Seattle game...that we needed a change there. Make the most right away...and bring in experience

Unfortunately MM's model seems to be to bring in help at areas of concern, and then after firing the head buy hire the helper.

After all, that is how Slocum got hired in the first place. How'd that work for you MM ???????????????????????????????????????

[KYPack]

I wanted the GBP to hire Brad Seely when SF released all their coaches this off season. Seely was a top ST coach. Let him come in and hire a new ST staff. Zook seems to a fiery, but disorganized sumbitch. RZ is a legacy to one of the worst ST performances in NFL history. We have had more clusters on ST than any club in the league. Get us an organized dude who knows what the hell he is doing.

[Joemailman]

I'm on the Zook Bandwagon! Anybody else?

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm on it.

[pbmax]

Moving on up.

[red]

i'll be writing down names and keeping track of you people

[run pMc]

Not on the bandwagon. If ST are still good at mid-season, maybe. I'm just glad Masthay is starting to get back in his groove, and Crosby has been consistently good.

[vince]

Rip, Elliott, Ryan, Janis, Rollins, Randall, Goodson, Crosby, Masthay, etc....

When they do their job and make plays, the coach is brilliant. When they don't he's an idiot.

This year, until more injuries force different guys into different ST roles, he's brilliant.

[pbmax]

Withholding judgement is warranted, but they look like an entirely different scheme on coverage. With the exception of that one punt, there were at least three Packers near the ball, making the returner choose from the least worst of clogged running lanes.

[Pugger]

I too have to say ST is better so far this season. I hope this continues.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Rip, Elliott, Ryan, Janis, Rollins, Randall, Goodson, Crosby, Masthay, etc....

When they do their job and make plays, the coach is brilliant. When they don't he's an idiot.

This year, until more injuries force different guys into different ST roles, he's brilliant.

Vince, some day you and I are going to have to have a rousing discussion on the relative effects of player performance vs coaching strategy. :smile:

[Fritz]

Anything you two oldsters do that is "rousing" is probably cause for celebration.

[pbmax]

FIRE ZOOK!

Though I loved the first kickoff return.

[red]

FIRE ZOOK!

Though I loved the first kickoff return.

monty , hyde and mase are the reasons zook is gonna keep his job

[Joemailman]

Looks like Ron Zook will be 3-0 as Special Teams Coordinator. :glug:

[pbmax]

Looks like Ron Zook will be 3-0 as Special Teams Coordinator. :glug:

Its because red got a head start on this thread. We had a whole offseason to prepare to be brutal.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 58m58 minutes ago
New from JS: Packers finish 17th in Gosselin's special teams rankings http://ift.tt/1ZI6ox7 #Packers

CAN I SAY HE DOUBLED THEIR EFFECTIVENESS? HALVED THEIR INEFFECTIVENESS?

[red]

that lower ranking has to have a lot to do with the shitty punting

i thought the special teams were much improved, except for punter

[pbmax]

that lower ranking has to have a lot to do with the shitty punting

i thought the special teams were much improved, except for punter

It could. Gosselin doesn't exactly test out new math theorems in his rankings. It is literally a ranking of various ranks. So gross punt will look terrible. Net punt is better BUT its almost all coverage related. Mastery's numbers are terrible for gross punt and less than mediocre for net punt across the League.

[run pMc]

17th is a big improvement from where they have been. Gotta give M3 and Zook credit there. Seemed like they didn't have as many new bodies on ST each week, which also likely helped. Masthay didn't have a good year and should expect competition in training camp.

[Patler]

that lower ranking has to have a lot to do with the shitty punting

i thought the special teams were much improved, except for punter

....and yet Masthay shattered the team record for net punting average, didn't he?
Watching the games, I thought he was crap. Yet he broke the long-standing team record by a yard or so, didn't he?
It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[red]

it had to be due to the coverage teams


His best statistic was the 174 total yards returned by opponents, which ranked sixth and was due in part to outstanding performance on the perimeter by Jeff Janis and Demetri Goodson. They proved to be worthy successors to departed gunners Jarrett Bush and Davon House.

"The other thing is our guys have covered extremely well," Zook said. "We had two guys that we didn't know we were going to be able to replace.

[pbmax]

Finding the Net Avg is tough and I don't see it even on Pro-Football-Reference.

FoxSports has it, but they don't show return yardage: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2015&seasonType=1&week=0&category=PUNTING&team=0&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0

He is listed as 14 best in Net Ave at 40.2. So the 6th best coverage (total return yards, which would be better as an average) yielded the 14th best change in field position. Means Masthay was probably worse than 14th in pure punting effectiveness. But its hard to measure if directional kicking hurts him and helps the coverage.

He was 31st in touchback percentage. That is effected by the offenses field position though. Still not good.

He was 10th in touchback percentage at 7.4 percent. That coupled with inside the 20 means when he was close, he put it in the end zone too often.

He was tied for 24th in fair catches. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=P&conference=NFL&year=season_2015&sort=401&timeframe=ToDate

[CaptainKickass]

https://direct.rhapsody.com/imageserver/images/Alb.136769898/500x500.jpg

[pbmax]

FINALLY!

FIRED ZOOK!

[Joemailman]

Another successful thread. Once again, Packerrats comes to the rescue of Packer Nation.

[run pMc]

After this year's ST performance -- they cost the team at least 2-3 games -- it would be impossible for Zook to stay, even if M3 was retained. I can't recall the ST ever being that bad.
The ST coach is almost always reviled by the fan base; it's often a thankless job and you have a constantly changing roster of young players to get up to speed ASAP. Nonetheless, I thought he underperformed.

It might help for Gute to give him a couple of min contract vets who know how to play ST, instead of filling the squad with greenhorns and rookie UDFAs. It's a delicate balance though...Tony Brown got his start on ST (and made a boneheaded mistake or two), and now some people are talking about him being the #3 CB. (?!?) So there is value in developing young players and working them in on ST, but not if it costs them game changing chunks of field position.

[mraynrand]

It might help for Gute to give him a couple of min contract vets who know how to play ST, instead of filling the squad with greenhorns and rookie UDFAs.

BRING BLACK JANIS!!

[denverYooper]

It's not a problem until it's a problem. Then it's a big problem.

[texaspackerbacker]

Add me to the list of glad Zook is gone - to many screw-ups and not enough big plays on Special Teams.

[Pugger]

Ron Zook was cleaning out his office and carrying personal items to his car. He was penalized for parking illegally, and then fumbled his stuff into the street. When an intern came to help him, he accidentally pushed them from behind and then as they were falling, he grabbed their arm and held for an inordinate amount of time.