View Full Version : Compensatory Picks Issued Today
vince
03-23-2015, 11:59 AM
Packers should pick up 2 6ths (James Jones and EDS) and a 7th (Newhouse). Only 32 picks issued max so the loss of C.J. Wilson is expected to be uncompensated.
http://overthecap.com/projecting-the-compensatory-draft-picks-for-2015/
Finally Newhouse hopefully provides some value. He's on the bubble of being 7th round compensation-worthy.
mraynrand
03-23-2015, 01:06 PM
Breno Giacomini - 5th round comp. Dude got 4.5 mil. Amazing.
Fritz
03-23-2015, 01:09 PM
Packers should pick up 2 6ths (James Jones and EDS) and a 7th (Newhouse). Only 32 picks issued max so the loss of C.J. Wilson is expected to be uncompensated.
http://overthecap.com/projecting-the-compensatory-draft-picks-for-2015/
Finally Newhouse hopefully provides some value. He's on the bubble of being 7th round compensation-worthy.
I don't really quite get the formula, but somehow it seems to me that James Jones should be worth more than a sixth rounder.
On the other hand, the Packers should have to give up a draft pick for laying Marshall Newhouse on another team.
And no compensatory picks for the Detroit Lions, which means this is what they have for the 2015 draft: six draft picks total - one in the first round, one in the second, one in the third, none in the fourth or fifth, one in the sixth and two in the seventh.
Damn. Martin Mayhew doesn't give himself many bites at that apple, does he?
mraynrand
03-23-2015, 01:15 PM
On the other hand, the Packers should have to give up a draft pick for laying Marshmallow Outhouse on another team.
you stole my line
Jimx29
03-23-2015, 08:01 PM
And no compensatory picks for the Detroit Lions, which means this is what they have for the 2015 draft: six draft picks total - one in the first round, one in the second, one in the third, none in the fourth or fifth, one in the sixth and two in the seventh.
ferchristsake, if they were to lose one of their top defensive........erummm.....never mind
Guiness
03-23-2015, 08:07 PM
Cincinatti with a two-fer - 3rd round pick and Micheal Johnson back on team! Don' t know that I've seen that before
smuggler
03-23-2015, 08:29 PM
We did not get either of the 7ths we were vying for. Ah well...
NewsBruin
03-23-2015, 09:50 PM
We're in the 20th or 21st year of compensatory picks. Honestly, I'm never as excited about them as the rest of the board is. All the suspense of a mediocre-level draft pick with none of the mercantile benefits.
NewsBruin
03-23-2015, 10:03 PM
Okay, I stand corrected. Hasselbeck the Elder, Marquez Colston, Leroy Hill, and that Tom Brady guy were comp picks. Still, I just don't get my hopes up that there's more than one notable comp player per class.
vince
03-23-2015, 10:55 PM
Josh Sitton, Mike Daniels and Richard Rodgers among GB comp selections. Hard to get too excited about two sixth round picks though given the overall depth of the roster.
smuggler
03-23-2015, 10:58 PM
All the 6th rounders and the 7th rounder will mysteriously end up on IR for 2015 anyways.
CaliforniaCheez
03-23-2015, 11:38 PM
James Jones played with a rookie QB and did not put up great numbers. Still a 6th round seems low.
The Packers drafted a great Center which was better than EDS and they get a 6th round pick. Great deal.
I'm not disappointed enough to voice any complaint.
Often there are not enough free agents to warrant a compensatory pick and a few of the high drafting teams get an 8th round pick. Not this year.
One of the 2 picks will be worthwhile.
Expect about the same next year.
Joemailman
03-24-2015, 06:11 AM
James Jones played with a rookie QB and did not put up great numbers. Still a 6th round seems low.
The Packers drafted a great Center which was better than EDS and they get a 6th round pick. Great deal.
I'm not disappointed enough to voice any complaint.
Often there are not enough free agents to warrant a compensatory pick and a few of the high drafting teams get an 8th round pick. Not this year.
One of the 2 picks will be worthwhile.
Expect about the same next year.
The biggest determining factor is the size of the contract they signed. That's why Jones was only worth a 6th round pick. Packers probably will get 4th round picks next year for House and TWill.
thats just wrong that a team can get a 3rd round pick for a guy that they re-signed before the comp picks are even announced
somethings wrong with the formula
smuggler
03-24-2015, 11:04 AM
Nothing wrong with it, except that the Bucs are fucking idiots. Teams like Chicago and Tampa always doing stupid things in free agency is what helps keep powerhouses like Seattle, Green Bay, New England, and Baltimore in their position. It's a double-edged sword.
Fritz
03-24-2015, 12:42 PM
Nothing wrong with it, except that the Bucs are fucking idiots. Teams like Chicago and Tampa always doing stupid things in free agency is what helps keep powerhouses like Seattle, Green Bay, New England, and Baltimore in their position. It's a double-edged sword.
Well, that's why it matters who runs your organization. The NFL tries to get perfect parity by such things as rewarding shitty teams with the first picks in each round of the draft - give them an advantage so they can get better. In theory, that was in part what free agency was going to do - to give shitty teams a leg up by letting better teams develop good players who could be then legally poached.
As it turns out, though, if your organization is run badly, you're going to screw up the advantages you're given.
Nothing wrong with it, except that the Bucs are fucking idiots. Teams like Chicago and Tampa always doing stupid things in free agency is what helps keep powerhouses like Seattle, Green Bay, New England, and Baltimore in their position. It's a double-edged sword.
yeah but its a compensation pick for losing a player. they have not lost the player. the lost him for a year, like an injury.
that IMO, should have brought the comp pick way down or cancelled it out all together
smuggler
03-24-2015, 01:12 PM
I disagree. You enforce the rules as they are written all of the time. You don't make an exception when you feel the rules happen to benefit this team or that on this occasion or that. Sucks to suck, Tampa! Good on you, Cincy!
Fritz
03-24-2015, 04:13 PM
Hmmm...next year, with Tramon's contract being what it is, could that translate into a fourth round pick?
Joemailman
03-24-2015, 04:16 PM
Hmmm...next year, with Tramon's contract being what it is, could that translate into a fourth round pick?
Both Tramon and House I believe.
smuggler
03-24-2015, 07:41 PM
Tramon is skirting the line for a 3rd, but most likely will be a 4th.
Fritz
03-25-2015, 12:26 PM
Both Tramon and House I believe.
The possibility of three fourth round picks next year is surely causing Ted to bulge.
Patler
03-25-2015, 12:41 PM
yeah but its a compensation pick for losing a player. they have not lost the player. the lost him for a year, like an injury.
that IMO, should have brought the comp pick way down or cancelled it out all together
What if they signed a different, but similar player this year? Should they still lose the compensation pick for the FA loss last year? I doubt anyone would even raise the question. Why should it matter who the player is that they sign this year?
To put it in Packer terms, the Packers lost Erik Walden in 2013 and received a compensatory pick in the 2014 draft. They also signed Peppers in 2014 as a street free agent. Should they have lost their compensation for Walden in the 2014 draft because they signed Peppers? Now, what if the Colts had released Walden after 2013, and instead of signing Peppers, the Packers re-signed Walden in 2014. Should they have lost the 2014 compensatory pick if they had signed Walden instead of Peppers?
Joemailman
03-25-2015, 01:10 PM
The possibility of three fourth round picks next year is surely causing Ted to bulge.
Time to stock up the offensive line. Sitton, Lang, Tretter and Bakhtiari all 4th round picks.
smuggler
03-25-2015, 02:43 PM
Where is talk of the 3rd 4th rounder coming from?
Where is talk of the 3rd 4th rounder coming from?
next year for tramon and house
What if they signed a different, but similar player this year? Should they still lose the compensation pick for the FA loss last year? I doubt anyone would even raise the question. Why should it matter who the player is that they sign this year?
To put it in Packer terms, the Packers lost Erik Walden in 2013 and received a compensatory pick in the 2014 draft. They also signed Peppers in 2014 as a street free agent. Should they have lost their compensation for Walden in the 2014 draft because they signed Peppers? Now, what if the Colts had released Walden after 2013, and instead of signing Peppers, the Packers re-signed Walden in 2014. Should they have lost the 2014 compensatory pick if they had signed Walden instead of Peppers?
yes, IMO, they should have lost the pick if they had re signed walden before the next draft
its compensation for a team to help rebuild after losing a guy, if the guy returns to the team before the team uses the comp pick, then they haven't lost anything have they?
so, whats stopping a team and player from getting together and deciding it might be in the players best interest to take a massive one year deal elsewhere. the team will get a high comp pick for him, and the team will resign the player the following year and let him chase a ring?
i don't know, to me this is common sense, if you haven't lost anything, you shouldn't get compensation. guess i'm in the minority on that
pbmax
03-25-2015, 03:22 PM
its compensation for a team to help rebuild after losing a guy, if the guy returns to the team before the team uses the comp pick, then they haven't lost anything have they?
He played in Tampa last year. The Bungles lost a year of service.
so
should the nfl then start handing out comp picks for players who are hurt for full years?
and while we're on it, why not comp picks for players that have their careers ended?
those hurt worse
pbmax
03-25-2015, 03:46 PM
so
should the nfl then start handing out comp picks for players who are hurt for full years?
and while we're on it, why not comp picks for players that have their careers ended?
those hurt worse
What part of free agent loss compensation is confusing?
the part where the get the player back before they even receive the comp pick for losing him
i understand the rules, but in this instance i think common sense took a piss break
i mean the contract that they based the comp pick on was already null and void by the time they issued the pick
pbmax
03-25-2015, 04:22 PM
the part where the get the player back before they even receive the comp pick for losing him
i understand the rules, but in this instance i think common sense took a piss break
i mean the contract that they based the comp pick on was already null and void by the time they issued the pick
I could see your point if the guy was cut in training camp or didn't make the team and they brought him back. He doesn't even take a snap under the new deal for the new team. But that didn't happen here.
I could even see perhaps modifying the comp pick because the contract did not realize its full value. However, since the biggest of these deals tend to front load significant money, I bet the formula already takes that into consideration.
I could see your point if the guy was cut in training camp or didn't make the team and they brought him back. He doesn't even take a snap under the new deal for the new team. But that didn't happen here.
I could even see perhaps modifying the comp pick because the contract did not realize its full value. However, since the biggest of these deals tend to front load significant money, I bet the formula already takes that into consideration.
i doubt it does. thats why a 1 year 10 million dollar deal will net you the same as a 5 year 50 million dollar deal
the whole process seems very simplistic and based solely on average per year
smuggler
03-25-2015, 07:16 PM
Your last sentence is correct.
Patler
03-25-2015, 07:57 PM
so, whats stopping a team and player from getting together and deciding it might be in the players best interest to take a massive one year deal elsewhere. the team will get a high comp pick for him, and the team will resign the player the following year and let him chase a ring?
Normally, the player signs a multi-year contract with the new team, so he isn't available again for many years. There is no way for a team and player to plan what you suggest. Why will other teams want to invest big money in a player for just one season?
Michael Johnson signed a five year $44 million contract with the Bucs. It is unusual for a team to sign a big money free agent, and release him just a year later. The Bucs did it with two players this year. They also cut Anthony Collins, who they had signed just last year to a five year $30 million contract
smuggler
03-25-2015, 07:59 PM
Again, this is an anomaly related to how stupid the Bucs are. Why should we penalize the Bengals for how stupid another organization is?
Patler
03-25-2015, 08:05 PM
yes, IMO, they should have lost the pick if they had re signed walden before the next draft
its compensation for a team to help rebuild after losing a guy, if the guy returns to the team before the team uses the comp pick, then they haven't lost anything have they?
They did actually sign Peppers instead of Walden. Why should the lose the pick if the re-signed Walden, but not when the signed Peppers, an even better player?. Either way they have already replaced the player they lost before the comp pick is awarded. Some teams some years sign the replacement the same year. In that situation they are never short a good experienced player, they just replace one with another.
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