Damarious Randall, 2015 First Round Pick

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Damarious Randall ‏@RandallTime 27m27 minutes ago
Very blessed for the opportunity and thankful... I will be wearing #23 Time to get to work..

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[pbmax]

Highlights 1: tackling, picks and jumping routes. One coverage but shown from end zone, can;t tell he was in coverage or back as safety and broke on route. Rated TV-MA for Strong Language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c11WVHQXrsQ

[ThunderDan]

I wasn't sure what to think when I first heard the pick. But now that I have had a night to sleep on it I like the pick a lot more.

The NFL right now is swinging towards high flying attacks. You need to have one if not two slot corners on the field. I think in 2-3 years this might be looked back as a very smart pick.

[denverYooper]

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[smuggler]

Not a homerun, but I do not see much chance of a strikeout. I'll call it a walk with the potential to swipe second. Our defensive backs coaching is pretty solid.

[pbmax]

Highlights #2, Tackling, some coverage and a couple of blitzes and special team work. Still TV-MA for Strong Language


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY0QBFR49AA

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Bleacher Report video post draft pick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441909-damarious-randall-nfl-draft-2015-scouting-report-grade-for-packers-rookie

Demovsky at ESPN

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/20276/total-breakdown-packers-draft-db-damarius-randall-in-the-first-round

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Scout.com: http://gnb.scout.com/story/1542674-first-round-shocker-packers-take-randall?s=61


DAMARIOUS RANDALL
Free Safety
Arizona State University Sun Devils
#3
5:11.7-196
Pensacola, Florida
Butler Community College; Mesa Community College
Pensacola High School

Randall hopes that all of his recent road travels earns him a resting place on a National Football League roster. The Florida native left the Atlantic Coast for the corn fields of Kansas, where he first donned a baseball uniform at Butler College. One season on the diamond and the “football bug” again bit, as he left for Arizona, where he enrolled at Mesa College in 2011.
It was not until 2012 that he would get his opportunity to play on the gridiron. The long wait was worth it, as he was named a junior college All-American, enticing major college recruiters to be regular visitors at the Mesa campus. Liking life in Arizona and not looking to do any more sports “globe trotting,” he accepted a scholarship offer from the Sun Devils staff to join the Arizona State program.

Randall was a two-sport participant at Pensacola High School, helping the football team to a 14-1 record and a ninth place ranking in the state during his senior season, but had much better success as an infielder for the baseball team. He batted .313 and stole fifteen bases through 23 games during his senior season, finishing his prep career with a .247 average through 67 contests.
Randall enrolled at Butler College in 2010, joining the baseball program during the 2011 spring semester. He appeared in ten games, but managed just a .156 batting average while committing three errors. Realizing that his path to the professional ranks would not be as a baseball player, he transferred to Mesa College, but did not play football in 2011.

The 2012 All-American at Mesa started at cornerback, in addition to playing as a receiver and return specialist. He finished second on the team with 69 tackles, as he broke up eight passes and intercepted nine others. He averaged 28.21 yards as a kickoff returner and ran back fourteen punts for an 18.36-yard average and two scores. He also reached the end zone twice from eight receptions for 152 yards.

Joining the Arizona State Sun Devils, Randall started twelve games at free safety in 2013. He tied for third on the team with 71 tackles (48 solos), picking off three tosses and knocking down three other throws. Two of his 5.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage caused fumbles and one of his pass thefts was good for a touchdown.

Randall took over “boundary” safety chores as a senior, as the Sun Devil received All-American and All-Pac 12 Conference recognition. He led the team with 106 tackles, marking the first time a defensive back reached the “century” mark in tackles since Jason Shivers (104 in 2003). He was also the first defensive back to lead the Sun Devils in tackles since Josh Barnett (82 in 2006). He also had three interceptions and nine pass break-ups.

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Lindy's

Safeties

#15 Damarious Randall

projected round- 6

in our view- A player with cb size but a free safety skill set, Randall took a winding road to Arizona State, including not playing football for 2 years following high school, and developed into a first team All-PAC 12 performer as a senior. He plays with a fast and physical attitude, routinely sticking his nose in the fire, but he can be inconsistant as a box safety.

Although he needs technique and discipline work in coverage, randall has the size and body fluidity to hold his own, including the ball skills and confidence for the next level. He isn't a day one starter at safety, but he has the traits to make an immediate impact on special teams coverages, and help in nickle situations.

Strengths- Highly aggressive and plays at full speed at all times. Never gives up on plays and has a knack for chasing down ball carriers from behind. Decisive sideline angles with closing burst to make up ground. Good anticipation to jump routes, reading the QB and baiting throws. Adequate ball skills amd knows what to do with the ball once he gains possession (6 career ints averaging 29.8 yards per return with 2 TDs). Played on special teams coverages with experience as a return man.

Weaknesses- Undersized and lacks ideal strength and bulk for safety position. Willing tackler, but too often needs help to finish stops and can be taken for a ride. Too many ankle biting tackle attempts. Overaggressive, leading to wasted steps and motion. Will get fooled by play-fakes due to his overaggressive nature. Needs to stay patient in his pedal and often bites too early, witch will lead to disaster when lined up in man coverage. Still very unpolished with the technical side of the game.

Grade 5.1

[vince]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kce8wKxrKw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVap22Pv5A8

Bit of a rough game here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVp8vFZadbg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7MJwtXyEgQ

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http://gnb.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=9&c=12&yr=2015&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=33

SCOUT RANK OVERALL 46
POSITION RANK 02

EVALUATION
Randall has the closing burst you look for in a speedy free safety. He plants and drives quickly and is at his best closing on the ball in front of him. He makes up ground when the ball is in the air and displays very quick feet. I would not consider him ideally fluid as a cornerback, but his coverage skills are better than average for the safety position.




Pos Rnk Ratg Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home
S 1 5/5 Landon Collins JR 6-0/228/4.48 Alabama Geismar, LA
S 2 4/5 Damar. Randall SR 5-11/196/4.46 Arizona State Pensacola, FL
S 3 4/5 Jaquiski Tartt SR 6-1/223/4.53 Samford Mobile, AL
S 4 4/5 James Sample JR 6-2/209/4.56 Louisville Sacramento, CA

[mraynrand]

Thanks Vince. There goes my day.

[wist43]

Lindy's

Safeties

#15 Damarious Randall

projected round- 6

in our view- A player with cb size but a free safety skill set, Randall took a winding road to Arizona State, including not playing football for 2 years following high school, and developed into a first team All-PAC 12 performer as a senior. He plays with a fast and physical attitude, routinely sticking his nose in the fire, but he can be inconsistant as a box safety.

Although he needs technique and discipline work in coverage, randall has the size and body fluidity to hold his own, including the ball skills and confidence for the next level. He isn't a day one starter at safety, but he has the traits to make an immediate impact on special teams coverages, and help in nickle situations.

Strengths- Highly aggressive and plays at full speed at all times. Never gives up on plays and has a knack for chasing down ball carriers from behind. Decisive sideline angles with closing burst to make up ground. Good anticipation to jump routes, reading the QB and baiting throws. Adequate ball skills amd knows what to do with the ball once he gains possession (6 career ints averaging 29.8 yards per return with 2 TDs). Played on special teams coverages with experience as a return man.

Weaknesses- Undersized and lacks ideal strength and bulk for safety position. Willing tackler, but too often needs help to finish stops and can be taken for a ride. Too many ankle biting tackle attempts. Overaggressive, leading to wasted steps and motion. Will get fooled by play-fakes due to his overaggressive nature. Needs to stay patient in his pedal and often bites too early, witch will lead to disaster when lined up in man coverage. Still very unpolished with the technical side of the game.

Grade 5.1

That's exactly what I saw of him - what little I could find.

"Ankle biting" tackler is a great description... I don't care what he might measure out as - he plays a midget brand of football. He plays very small, and doesn't have the bulk or strength to get even average WR's on the ground - he's going to get his ass handed to him by NFL WR's.

Read a couple of reports that had him as 5th rounder - that seems about right; but of course we just wasted a #1 on him.

Maybe he turns into a decent nickelback - but you don't spend 1st round draft picks on nickelbacks.

[mraynrand]

Read a couple of reports that had him as 5th rounder - that seems about right; but of course we just wasted a #1 on him.

would have been great value at #5, Mel

[pbmax]

Those write-ups, but especially Lindy's are envisioning him as a safety. 12 teams wanted him as a CB. This is similar to the kerfuffle over Collins. No one knew about the kid so the assumption is that no one in the NFL liked him much. His ranks only changed after people (including Manock and Kiper) got word late that he was the #1 or #2 safety on the board.

[wist43]

That Oregon St. footage... my God he looks awful!!!

Can't tackle, plays soft, gets outrun, gets turned around, gets beat easily...

Wow, just wow how bad he looks in that game... will go thru the others when I get a chance.

[mraynrand]

That Oregon St. footage... my God he looks awful!!!

"Bit of a rough game here" I bet that's what attracted you to watch that one first! LOL

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Oregon St.

#58 is so slow to react that he could have started for the Packers last year at ILB. But run fill from a deep position is not Demarious' strong suit either. That touchdown was #58's gap, but perhaps Randall should have stayed deeper rather than close.

[mraynrand]

The O. state game is troubling because it is the most recent of the footage.

[esoxx]

It's just a shame they couldn't get House resigned. I understand the pick as you can't be shorthanded in the secondary with today's pass happy rules. But with Malcolm Brown sitting there it would have been nice to not feel compelled to pick a backend player.

[Patler]

One thing is for sure, half of ths scouts and evaluators are out to lunch on this guy, because it seems half really like him and half are not impressed at all.

Some criticize his tackling, yet in 2014 he led the team with 106, and was the first DB to get 100 since 2003. So, at least he seems to be a willing tackler. That was evident also on the videos. That is the bigger part of the battle in making a DB a good tackler. Many don't want to tackle. If he wants to tackle, he can be taught to tackle. If he doesn't want to tackle, he will never be good at it.

From the combine video he looks solid, but on the field he is very noticeably small. It will be interesting to see him on the practice field with Hayward and Shields. House was the only answer the Packers had last year for a couple of the big receivers that went nuts against them. I can't see this guy filling that role at all.

Wist said he saw him ranked as a 5th round pick. I have not seen any that low, although old ones have him much lower than more recent ones. McGinn had him as a first round pick and the #2 overall safety. A couple write-ups said he was the best NFL prospect at safety, because of much better cover skills than other safeties.

The league seems to be moving toward more and more big CBs, to face the huge WRs that are taking over. GB seems to be going the opposite direction, with shorter and slighter CBs who can run and jump. It did not serve them well last year.

I think everyone agrees that he reacts quickly to the ball, and catches it very easily and naturally. Looks like he has huge hands, but those darned gloves they wear now sometime make it deceiving.

I don't know if I should think of him as a CB or S. I don't hate the pick, but I'm not excited by it either. I would be if they didn't have HHCD from last year.

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The O. state game is troubling because it is the most recent of the footage.

that was just ugly

i wouldn't have a problem with the kid if he was a third round pick, or maybe even a second, but we used our 1st on him. huge gamble IMO

[pbmax]

I confess, I don't see him as a safety. But I am routinely wrong about college to pro moves. But it seems safe to say the Packers see him as a CB as well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Lindy's

Safeties

#15 Damarious Randall

projected round- 6

in our view- A player with cb size but a free safety skill set, Randall took a winding road to Arizona State, including not playing football for 2 years following high school, and developed into a first team All-PAC 12 performer as a senior. He plays with a fast and physical attitude, routinely sticking his nose in the fire, but he can be inconsistant as a box safety.

Although he needs technique and discipline work in coverage, randall has the size and body fluidity to hold his own, including the ball skills and confidence for the next level. He isn't a day one starter at safety, but he has the traits to make an immediate impact on special teams coverages, and help in nickle situations.

Strengths- Highly aggressive and plays at full speed at all times. Never gives up on plays and has a knack for chasing down ball carriers from behind. Decisive sideline angles with closing burst to make up ground. Good anticipation to jump routes, reading the QB and baiting throws. Adequate ball skills amd knows what to do with the ball once he gains possession (6 career ints averaging 29.8 yards per return with 2 TDs). Played on special teams coverages with experience as a return man.

Weaknesses- Undersized and lacks ideal strength and bulk for safety position. Willing tackler, but too often needs help to finish stops and can be taken for a ride. Too many ankle biting tackle attempts. Overaggressive, leading to wasted steps and motion. Will get fooled by play-fakes due to his overaggressive nature. Needs to stay patient in his pedal and often bites too early, witch will lead to disaster when lined up in man coverage. Still very unpolished with the technical side of the game.

Grade 5.1

No offense, but anybody reading Lindy's should probably quit watching sports. They are awful, and they've been awful for at least 20 years.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Funny, the more film I watch on the guy the more I like him. I see a guy with no fear of sticking his nose in it, great awareness and anticipation, great vision, great closing speed, ability to mirror the receiver, great hands, tracks the ball well, contests for the ball at the highpoint, has a high energy motor and gets to balls other CB wouldn't. Plus, he makes big plays.

I'm on board. Go Ted!

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It will be nice with someone else on the team with a nose for the ball as opposed to the pigskin-allergenics we have had back there for a while. Maybe Hail Marys stop ending games in the opponents favor.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't know if I should think of him as a CB or S. I don't hate the pick, but I'm not excited by it either. I would be if they didn't have HHCD from last year.

I think he's a corner with the versatility to play safety, and later he will. Kind of like Antrell Rolle. I don't hate or like the pick, but he wasn't a reach. Bob and Kiper had him going in the early 20's. Most had him going in the top 40--Lindy's and their two month old scouting reports notwithstanding. I think if people had been thinking of him as a CB, they'd like him a lot more. To me, he's similar prospect to Eric Rowe.

[Freak Out]

Nothing TT does surprises me anymore. I have seen Randall play a bunch due to the Pac 12 teams I follow....he is a damn good player who excelled playing against a group of very talented teams/players.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think he's a corner with the versatility to play safety, and later he will. Kind of like Antrell Rolle. I don't hate or like the pick, but he wasn't a reach. Bob and Kiper had him going in the early 20's. Most had him going in the top 40--Lindy's and their two month old scouting reports notwithstanding. I think if people had been thinking of him as a CB, they'd like him a lot more. To me, he's similar prospect to Eric Rowe.

In Mike Mayock's one and only mock, he had Randall going to SEATTLE at #20 pick.

Oops...maybe it was the EAGLES. Either way, it's #20 pick.

[wist43]

One thing is for sure, half of ths scouts and evaluators are out to lunch on this guy, because it seems half really like him and half are not impressed at all.

Some criticize his tackling, yet in 2014 he led the team with 106, and was the first DB to get 100 since 2003. So, at least he seems to be a willing tackler. That was evident also on the videos. That is the bigger part of the battle in making a DB a good tackler. Many don't want to tackle. If he wants to tackle, he can be taught to tackle. If he doesn't want to tackle, he will never be good at it.

From the combine video he looks solid, but on the field he is very noticeably small. It will be interesting to see him on the practice field with Hayward and Shields. House was the only answer the Packers had last year for a couple of the big receivers that went nuts against them. I can't see this guy filling that role at all.

Wist said he saw him ranked as a 5th round pick. I have not seen any that low, although old ones have him much lower than more recent ones. McGinn had him as a first round pick and the #2 overall safety. A couple write-ups said he was the best NFL prospect at safety, because of much better cover skills than other safeties.

The league seems to be moving toward more and more big CBs, to face the huge WRs that are taking over. GB seems to be going the opposite direction, with shorter and slighter CBs who can run and jump. It did not serve them well last year.

I think everyone agrees that he reacts quickly to the ball, and catches it very easily and naturally. Looks like he has huge hands, but those darned gloves they wear now sometime make it deceiving.

I don't know if I should think of him as a CB or S. I don't hate the pick, but I'm not excited by it either. I would be if they didn't have HHCD from last year.

That 106 tackles is just a number... watch the tape, and everytime he escorts a receiver out of bounds?? That's considered a "tackle". He may not have even touched the guy, but b/c he was the closest defender, he gets credit for the tackle.

He's so small, and plays even smaller - that the only chance he has to get guys on the ground is to dive at their ankles, hence the charge that he is an "ankle biter".

He may be able to play the slot, and he may be able to stay with #3 WR's on the NFL level, but he had no business being a 1st round draft pick... terrible tackler, just terrible.

The more I watch of this guy, the more I'm shocked that anyone would think he was a 1st round pick.

[Patler]

In Mike Mayock's one and only mock, he had Randall going to SEATTLE at #20 pick.

Oops...maybe it was the EAGLES. Either way, it's #20 pick.

McGinn had him at #20 to the Eagles, too.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Willie Wood was the surest tackler I've ever seen and he was a 5'10" 190 lb. ankle-biter.

[mraynrand]

It's just a shame they couldn't get House resigned. I understand the pick as you can't be shorthanded in the secondary with today's pass happy rules. But with Malcolm Brown sitting there it would have been nice to not feel compelled to pick a backend player.

Steelers' secondary is a mess, and they picked the pass rusher. Hmmm....

[Freak Out]

Well...when the QB is on his back it's hard to complete a pass. :)

[mraynrand]

Just in general though, I think Teddy picks some of these guys a little raw, because it's the only way you can get a player outside the top 20. Every year I see those top 20 guys go by and am amazed at the combination of physical traits they have. I don't think this Randall guy woulda lasted much longer and maybe he has enough upside to make him a very good player in a few years. The Byron Jones guy on the other hand may just not get all that much better.

[mraynrand]

Well...when the QB is on his back it's hard to complete a pass. :)

that's how the Giants won two SBs. That and some serious good fortune.

[wist43]

Willie Wood was the surest tackler I've ever seen and he was a 5'10" 190 lb. ankle-biter.

That was at a time when NFL Offensive Linemen weight 230 lbs... and to mention Randall in the same sentence as Willie Wood is enough to get your thrown out of any Green and Gold tavern in Wisconsin!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

I don't see this guy as a disaster like others are and making it sound like we just signed Bush to a 5yr/$50M contract. CB was a position we needed and we got one (albeit a converted S). He's got coverage skills and is willing to be physical. Sounds like a real good pick.

[Maxie the Taxi]

That was at a time when NFL Offensive Linemen weight 230 lbs... and to mention Randall in the same sentence as Willie Wood is enough to get your thrown out of any Green and Gold tavern in Wisconsin!!

Actually, you put Randall and Wood in the same sentence. I didn't.

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I think he's a corner with the versatility to play safety, and later he will. Kind of like Antrell Rolle. I don't hate or like the pick, but he wasn't a reach. Bob and Kiper had him going in the early 20's. Most had him going in the top 40--Lindy's and their two month old scouting reports notwithstanding. I think if people had been thinking of him as a CB, they'd like him a lot more. To me, he's similar prospect to Eric Rowe.

you're gonna rip on me for reading lindy's, yet you're gonna listen to mel kiper? i'd rather listen to scouting reports from my dog then listen to mel

[Carolina_Packer]

I think part of the reaction to Damarious Randall is that his name is not Stephone Anthony, which many were expecting, the way things fell. Even worse for some, he was the very next pick to the Saints. Is that fair?

[MadScientist]

I don't see this guy as a disaster like others are and making it sound like we just signed Bush to a 5yr/$50M contract. CB was a position we needed and we got one (albeit a converted S). He's got coverage skills and is willing to be physical. Sounds like a real good pick.

CB was a big need, and this guy gives them some flexibility. They can use him as the slot corner, or take MB or HaHa out and use him in the Woodson role (might be a bit much to ask in his first year). Combine with Clay moving in and out and you have a recipe for confusing the offense. Or a recipe for confusing themselves when there are 'communications breakdowns'.

I won't say I love this pick, but I certainly don't hate it.

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I think part of the reaction to Damarious Randall is that his name is not Stephone Anthony, which many were expecting, the way things fell. Even worse for some, he was the very next pick to the Saints. Is that fair?

i think part of the reaction was that he was announced as a safety when there were better safeties on the board in many peoples mind, and we didn't need a safety.

then it came out he would be a CB, even though he hasn't played there in two years, so he will not only have to make the jump to the nfl, but also relearn the position, not to mention, there were still good cb's on the board ranked highly, who already know how to play the position

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I don't see this guy as a disaster like others are and making it sound like we just signed Bush to a 5yr/$50M contract. CB was a position we needed and we got one (albeit a converted S). He's got coverage skills and is willing to be physical. Sounds like a real good pick.

its funny you mentioned bush. while watching that oregon state clip, i thought to myself "my god, we just drafted jerrett bush in the first"

[HarveyWallbangers]

you're gonna rip on me for reading lindy's, yet you're gonna listen to mel kiper? i'd rather listen to scouting reports from my dog then listen to mel

No. I don't listen to Mel. I'm just saying there are people (like Bob McGinn and Mel Kiper, among others) that had the dude going higher than our pick. Most had him top 40. I think the pick was a surprise to many (including myself) because the dude had "Safety" next to his name. It makes more sense thinking of the Randall as a corner.

BTW, as bad as Kiper is, he's better than Lindy's. Lindy's claim to fame is being the first one to get their magazine on the market. Makes their stuff outdated junk, but many of us were starving for any kind of info in the offseasons back in the day, so we'd buy Lindy's.

[Carolina_Packer]

Did any of you ever subscribe to the Packer Report when Ray Nitschke was the editor? In those dark days of the late 70's and very early 80's you'd find out such things as the Packers decided to take Rich Campbell instead of a future hall of famer in Ronnie Lott. Good times!

[pbmax]

you're gonna rip on me for reading lindy's, yet you're gonna listen to mel kiper? i'd rather listen to scouting reports from my dog then listen to mel

Is that mel or me!

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both

[mraynrand]

Did any of you ever subscribe to the Packer Report when Ray Nitschke was the editor? In those dark days of the late 70's and very early 80's you'd find out such things as the Packers decided to take Rich Campbell instead of a future hall of famer in Ronnie Lott. Good times!

I remember getting the PR delivered to the dorm:

With inspiring headlines like: "Tom Flynn is a great defensive back"

[mraynrand]

It makes more sense thinking of the Randall as a corner.

I'm calling him "The Randall" from now on. "The Randall is a Great Defensive Back"

[mraynrand]

Actually, you put The Randall and Wood in the same sentence. I didn't.

Zing!

[mraynrand]

I'm gonna give The Randall The Benefit of The Doubt until they start making him wear boxing gloves in practice.

[wist43]

Did any of you ever subscribe to the Packer Report when Ray Nitschke was the editor? In those dark days of the late 70's and very early 80's you'd find out such things as the Packers decided to take Rich Campbell instead of a future hall of famer in Ronnie Lott. Good times!

When back here in Wisconsin I just bought it off the rack, but when I was overseas in the Navy and living out of state I subscribed to it.

It was always the highlight of mail call if I got a PR in... there were several Packer fans on the ship and I was the only one with subscription, so I was a popular guy when each issue would arrive.

This was at a time well before cell phones - we sometimes didn't get sports scores for a day or two afterward. Just depended on message traffic - if there wasn't much going on we'd get the news and sports sent to us, but if we were involved in wargames or there was some sort of heightened alert, we might not get sports info for days at a time.

[wist43]

Actually, you put Randall and Wood in the same sentence. I didn't.

In the context of an admonition, it is allowable... please read the PackerFan bylaws. ;)

[Maxie the Taxi]

In the context of an admonition, it is allowable... please read the PackerFan bylaws. ;)

Point taken. By the way, I've seen Willie Wood take down Jim Brown by a shoestring many times. Brown was 6'2" 232 lbs.:pack:

[Patler]

That 106 tackles is just a number... watch the tape, and everytime he escorts a receiver out of bounds?? That's considered a "tackle". He may not have even touched the guy, but b/c he was the closest defender, he gets credit for the tackle.

He's so small, and plays even smaller - that the only chance he has to get guys on the ground is to dive at their ankles, hence the charge that he is an "ankle biter".

He may be able to play the slot, and he may be able to stay with #3 WR's on the NFL level, but he had no business being a 1st round draft pick... terrible tackler, just terrible.

The more I watch of this guy, the more I'm shocked that anyone would think he was a 1st round pick.

I've watched quite a few videos of him since last night, and did not see him "escorting" receivers out of bounds any significant number of times. All DBs use the sidelines to make tackles when near it. Why shouldn't they?

I did see a guy who missed a few tackles, but at least he missed while actually trying to make a tackle. I've seen a lot of worse efforts from Tramon Williams waiving at ball carries, or running side by side with them for 10 yards while hand fighting with them. Sadly, in today's NFL, CBs are no longer paid because of their tackling ability.

Because the effort appears to be there, I think he can improve at tackling

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alright, i watched the rest of those videos, and although he looks "ok", at no point did i think i was watching a must have first round player

and it can't be overlooked that we just went from picking from all the ILBs to probably hoping we get at least 1 left over after everyone else is done picking through them, just to draft this guy. so he damn well better turn out to be wood jr, or else this will go down as a massive fail for TT in my eyes

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has anyone ele mentioned that he's added 20 pounds since the college season ended?

so bigger, but maybe slower

[Maxie the Taxi]

has anyone ele mentioned that he's added 20 pounds since the college season ended?

so bigger, but maybe slower

Yeah, I think Wist mentioned it...artificial weight he put on for the combine.

[smuggler]

No offense, but anybody reading Lindy's should probably quit watching sports. They are awful, and they've been awful for at least 20 years.

QFT. They're terrible. Doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong here, of course.


Steelers' secondary is a mess, and they picked the pass rusher. Hmmm....

Yeah, they took the best player on their board (at a premium position) instead of reaching in the secondary. If Bud Dupree were there at 30, I imagine Green Bay would have picked him, also.

What I've heard is that New England also had D. Randall rated above M. Brown on their board.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm just waiting for wist to come out and say that it doesn't matter how good The Randall is, dunderdummy won't use him right anyways.

[pbmax]

has anyone ele mentioned that he's added 20 pounds since the college season ended?

so bigger, but maybe slower


He added the weight prior to the Combine, so he was still fast with it.

[smuggler]

I read he put on the weight before his senior season. Which is correct?

[red]

He added the weight prior to the Combine, so he was still fast with it.

so he might actually look faster on game film then he was at the combine

i wonder if he'll lose some of it now that he is a cb?

[red]

I read he put on the weight before his senior season. Which is correct?

don't know, i read that he put on weight for the combine

[Maxie the Taxi]

Eat your heart out, boys. This from Rotoworld:


Saints coach Sean Payton envisions No. 31 overall ILB Stephone Anthony at Mike linebacker.



"We like the makeup, his size, his flexibility, position flexibility, I think he can play either inside position," Payton said. "I think he is probably most suited to play Mike, so he has that body type." Mike was Anthony's college position, and where he'll almost certainly start come Week 1. A sure tackler with plus athleticism, Anthony could play all three downs.



Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/04/sean_payton_stephone_anthony.html)
May 1 - 1:07 AM

[red]

yup, and we got a guy who "will be a contributor on special teams right away"

[wist43]

I'm just waiting for wist to come out and say that it doesn't matter how good The Randall is, dunderdummy won't use him right anyways.

... that goes without saying, duh ;)

[King Friday]

I like the kid's ball skills. Those are intangibles that you can't teach. I wish he was a little taller, but he's not small. I question if he can be a true CB in the NFL. Picking at the end of the 1st round is always a big crap shoot. I didn't really see anyone else who I thought was going to be a sure fire starter in year one still on the board. Thompson has had a rather good track record in spotting secondary talent, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see the kid in camp.

[3irty1]

Everything Wist is saying about Randall is how I feel about Sam Shields.

Randall's inexperience doesn't bug me. If this staff can teach an undrafted guy with a year of experience and a learning disability to play corner its foolish to bet against Randall. Ready your crow hole Wist.

[pbmax]

Everything Wist is saying about Randall is how I feel about Sam Shields.

Randall's inexperience doesn't bug me. If this staff can teach an undrafted guy with a year of experience and a learning disability to play corner its foolish to bet against Randall. Ready your crow hole Wist.

But half of wist's criticism would be on point, if he were tagged to play safety, esp. some strong or in the box safety. But he isn't being asked to do that.

[Patler]

I know some of these have been mentioned, but I went on line to list as many evaluations as I could. Here goes:

NFL. Com:

Maycock - #30 of his top 100, mocked him being draft at #20.
Brandt - #35 of his top 40 list.
Jeremiah – not included in his top 50.
Brooks – mocked at #29. Ranked as a “Red Chip Prospect” (contribute immediately, starter by end of the year).
Zierlein & Reuter – mocked at #40.

National Football Post - #85 on their "Big Board".

Banks (Sports Illustrated) - mocked at #29

Walter Football - mocked at #38.

Rang (CBS Sports) - #29

Matt Miner (Bleacher Report) - mocked at #29

Schrager (Fox Sports) - mocked at #27

McGinn (JSO) - mocked at #20, ranked as the #2 safety available.

[red]

I know some of these have been mentioned, but I went on line to list as many evaluations as I could. Here goes:

NFL. Com:

Maycock - #30 of his top 100, mocked him being draft at #20.
Brandt - #35 of his top 40 list.
Jeremiah – not included in his top 50.
Brooks – mocked at #29. Ranked as a “Red Chip Prospect” (contribute immediately, starter by end of the year).
Zierlein & Reuter – mocked at #40.

National Football Post - #85 on their "Big Board".

Banks (Sports Illustrated) - mocked at #29

Walter Football - mocked at #38.

Rang (CBS Sports) - #29

Matt Miner (Bleacher Report) - mocked at #29

Schrager (Fox Sports) - mocked at #27

McGinn (JSO) - mocked at #20, ranked as the #2 safety available.

should be noted that walter football gave the pick a B- because it was a bit of a reach and ILB was clearly a bigger need with all ILB's available at the time

[woodbuck27]

That's exactly what I saw of him - what little I could find.

"Ankle biting" tackler is a great description... I don't care what he might measure out as - he plays a midget brand of football. He plays very small, and doesn't have the bulk or strength to get even average WR's on the ground - he's going to get his ass handed to him by NFL WR's.

Read a couple of reports that had him as 5th rounder - that seems about right; but of course we just wasted a #1 on him.

Maybe he turns into a decent nickelback - but you don't spend 1st round draft picks on nickelbacks.

and TT must have fallen in LOVE with him.

TT had better options.

[Pugger]

I confess, I don't see him as a safety. But I am routinely wrong about college to pro moves. But it seems safe to say the Packers see him as a CB as well.

He better be able to play CB. Why in the hell do we keep trying to shove round pegs into square holes like we did here and a couple of years ago with Nick Perry? :-|

[Pugger]

alright, i watched the rest of those videos, and although he looks "ok", at no point did i think i was watching a must have first round player

and it can't be overlooked that we just went from picking from all the ILBs to probably hoping we get at least 1 left over after everyone else is done picking through them, just to draft this guy. so he damn well better turn out to be wood jr, or else this will go down as a massive fail for TT in my eyes

I really don't think this was a great draft class. I heard some say only the top 20 guys in the first round were first round value this year. :???:

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 15m15 minutes ago
Seale on Damarious Randall: Baseball player, good hands, slot, free safety

[call_me_ishmael]

Did they give him number 36? He is only a corner because he they have good safety depth. He will play center field by the end of the season.

[wist43]

I know some of these have been mentioned, but I went on line to list as many evaluations as I could. Here goes:

NFL. Com:

Maycock - #30 of his top 100, mocked him being draft at #20.
Brandt - #35 of his top 40 list.
Jeremiah – not included in his top 50.
Brooks – mocked at #29. Ranked as a “Red Chip Prospect” (contribute immediately, starter by end of the year).
Zierlein & Reuter – mocked at #40.

National Football Post - #85 on their "Big Board".

Banks (Sports Illustrated) - mocked at #29

Walter Football - mocked at #38.

Rang (CBS Sports) - #29

Matt Miner (Bleacher Report) - mocked at #29

Schrager (Fox Sports) - mocked at #27

McGinn (JSO) - mocked at #20, ranked as the #2 safety available.

Can't believe anyone really believes the kid should have gone that high... sounds like someone started a misdirection campaign that this kid was a player, and people began to believe the ruse.

Seriously, just put on the game tape of the guy... he couldn't tackle your grandmother. Soft, softer, and please don't hurt me type of player. The more I watched of the guy, the more I thought I was alone in the Twilight Zone - wondering, am I the only one who is seeing this??

Apparently I am the only one who is seeing it, b/c what I saw of Randall should have him flipping burgers at McDonalds before he belongs on an NFL roster.

I'm sure he'd be All-World in a flag football league - but the NFL aint that.

[3irty1]

Some stuff that sticks out to me:

1) He obviously is a guy you want on your team when the ball is in the air. Has a high end skill set as a coverman and flys on a football field.
2) You can tell we loved the footage where they blitzed him from the slot. Its a move we pull a lot and he's nightmarishly quick in that situation. Teleports to the QB.
3) An excellent gunner. Really just awesome at slipping blocks in general.
4) A form tackler but puts no momentum behind it. I think I could be describe it as a catcher mentality. Goes low, even while blitzing. Tons of examples of him being drug an extra yard for a first down in a situation where Haha or Burnett would have stopped the guy cold.
5) The rest of his team is the EXACT SAME WAY! Makes you wonder if this is a coaching mandate. You start to see a different player at the senior bowl. Maybe its just the extra weight but he's spinning guys down much more violently there.
6) I saw some brain farts filling in for the run. Going to the totally wrong gap, lots of false steps. Nothing like Jimmy Ward in this regard. Stuff I've never seen from Burnett or Haha. Between this and the block slipping talent that's mostly wasted as a safety, it does make this move to corner come into focus a bit.
7) You know that Seahawks game where Haha fucked up that open field tackle that went for a TD? Randall does that all the time. Like 0 for 4 in that situation where its just him and a guy who's just out of reach. He'll find a way to fuck that up. Its that catcher mentality I was talking about. Take one more step towards the guy and he's got him but he never does this. I think this is correctable by coaching. If he were such a film guy you'd think he'd have this solved before it becomes such a pattern.

[vince]

Of all the picks Ted made, this is the one I don't like the most. They obviously had lower grades on all the ILB's but Kendricks or Anthony would step in and provide great value almost immediately. I'm sure Randall is a good player but I'm just not seeing how he brings more value than one of those two guys at the 30 spot.

He looks like he will be a great special teamer and perhaps a great boundary cover corner but he'll have to be that to bring greater value than one of the two ILB's I think. I'm not apoplectic about his tackling but I don't think anyone is going to value him in the slot for run support over Hyde or Hayward.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out.

[Brandon494]

Of all the picks Ted made, this is the one I don't like the most. They obviously had lower grades on all the ILB's but Kendricks or Anthony would step in and provide great value almost immediately. I'm sure Randall is a good player but I'm just not seeing how he brings more value than one of those two guys at the 30 spot.

He looks like he will be a great special teamer and perhaps a great boundary cover corner but he'll have to be that to bring greater value than one of the two ILB's I think. I'm not apoplectic about his tackling but I don't think anyone is going to value him in the slot for run support over Hyde or Hayward.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out.

This is a passing league in which teams now throw 68% of the time. Finding replacements Williams and House imo was more important the replacing Hawk and Jones. I also think getting Jake Ryan in the 4th made up for not drafting a ILB with the 1st pick, I really like this kid and see him as a future starter for us. I think it also means we are going to see Clay Matthews at ILB a lot this upcoming season.

[vince]

This is a passing league in which teams now throw 68% of the time. Finding replacements Williams and House imo was more important the replacing Hawk and Jones. I also think getting Jake Ryan in the 4th made up for not drafting a ILB with the 1st pick, I really like this kid and see him as a future starter for us. I think it also means we are going to see Clay Matthews at ILB a lot this upcoming season.
I can buy that. I do think he's very sticky covering 1 on 1 - and not in the Ahmad Carroll sense - and makes plays on the ball.

[3irty1]

It seems to me NFL fans in general value balance more than NFL brass. Look at draft histories of teams like the Texans, Giants, Rams, and even Lions. Those teams would ignore big holes on their rosters in favor of bolstering an already strong defensive line via the draft in hopes of turning it dominant. They'd rather be 3 or 4 deep at DE or DT than even field quality starters in other units. I wonder if that's what the Packers are up to. Attempting to construct a dominant and injury proof unit for the defensive scheme to revolve around. After a superbowl featuring the two best secondaries in football it might make a little sense.

The types of secondary players they took is also telling. The Packers have Joe Whitt who they clearly view as an advantage worth leveraging.

[Patler]

This is a passing league in which teams now throw 68% of the time. Finding replacements Williams and House imo was more important the replacing Hawk and Jones. I also think getting Jake Ryan in the 4th made up for not drafting a ILB with the 1st pick, I really like this kid and see him as a future starter for us. I think it also means we are going to see Clay Matthews at ILB a lot this upcoming season.

Agreed, and I think they are willing to overlook tackling deficiencies in a CB if they think he will provide tight coverage, especially if he has a knack for interceptions.

[Pugger]

should be noted that walter football gave the pick a B- because it was a bit of a reach and ILB was clearly a bigger need with all ILB's available at the time

But would taking a ILB at 30 be also a reach? And wasn't CB a need too?

[wootah]

Reading the panic reactions after the draft is almost as fun as getting the new players. Relax, guys. They are handpicked by TT who clearly isn't flawless, but who has proven himself as one of the best at this and CLEARLY knows more than any of us... I can somewhat enjoy the constant pessimism/trolling of some here, but to condemn the careers of these guys, who still have to see their 1st NFL training session, is silly.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/ea94fa4a4f00974405895b6a9fcefb32/tumblr_nfkm1cdFq11qlpaifo2_500.gif

NO WIST, NOT THE YOUNGLINGS!!

[Patler]

I thought that half-way through the year, with Randall apparently now the starter at CB, it might be fun to look back on our comments when he was drafted.

[mraynrand]

with Randall apparently now the starter at CB,

apparently not anymore

[denverYooper]

Packer Leg strikes again.

[call_me_ishmael]

Was unsure about this pick, but boy does it look like this kid can play. He looks like he will be a future star or at least very capable starter. LOL @ Wist. This kid is a solid tackler IMO.

[smuggler]

Willingness goes a long way with CBs

[denverYooper]

Willingness goes a long way with CBs

And prom dates.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That's exactly what I saw of him - what little I could find.

"Ankle biting" tackler is a great description... I don't care what he might measure out as - he plays a midget brand of football. He plays very small, and doesn't have the bulk or strength to get even average WR's on the ground - he's going to get his ass handed to him by NFL WR's.

Read a couple of reports that had him as 5th rounder - that seems about right; but of course we just wasted a #1 on him.

Maybe he turns into a decent nickelback - but you don't spend 1st round draft picks on nickelbacks.

Remember the consternation! Do we have the threads going back to the Nick Collins pick or was that on JSO?

[wist43]

Remember the consternation! Do we have the threads going back to the Nick Collins pick or was that on JSO?

Harvey, he's exactly what I said he was, and he's exactly what he was in college. A guy with good ball skills, and tackles like a girl. I don't like him as a football player - he's far too soft. He's a terrible tackler. I thought Darby was a much better player - and he proved to be a better player with the Bills.

You guys like your soft players that can cover; and you value interceptions over stopping the run and forcing punts. Luckily for you, TT prefers to play soft-ball too - and we habitually have an average to poor defense as a result. I don't get it, but TT will never change, and you guys will never like physical football players. It is what it is.

[Patler]

Sorry, Wist. You were wrong about Randall then, and repeating it now doesn't make it anymore true than it was then. "Soft" is a guy like Tramon Williams, especially in his last few season in GB, who will run alongside a ball carrier and not even try to do more than handfight with him. Randall, on the other hand, never hesitates to stick his nose in and make a tackle.

[Fritz]

Harvey, he's exactly what I said he was, and he's exactly what he was in college. A guy with good ball skills, and tackles like a girl. I don't like him as a football player - he's far too soft. He's a terrible tackler. I thought Darby was a much better player - and he proved to be a better player with the Bills.

You guys like your soft players that can cover; and you value interceptions over stopping the run and forcing punts. Luckily for you, TT prefers to play soft-ball too - and we habitually have an average to poor defense as a result. I don't get it, but TT will never change, and you guys will never like physical football players. It is what it is.


If last year's draft could be done over today, with one year in the pros to now see, how many people think Randall would last until the Packers' pick in the first, much less the fifth round as Wist suggests?

[mraynrand]

And prom dates.

cad!

[Bretsky]

we could go bump threads that support TT's use of the first and threads that don't.

Justine Harrell and Sherry come to mind.

[3irty1]

Ready your crow hole Wist.

:lol:

[wist43]

Sorry, Wist. You were wrong about Randall then, and repeating it now doesn't make it anymore true than it was then. "Soft" is a guy like Tramon Williams, especially in his last few season in GB, who will run alongside a ball carrier and not even try to do more than handfight with him. Randall, on the other hand, never hesitates to stick his nose in and make a tackle.

If all you watch is Packers football, he probably seems like the second coming of Rod Woodson... on the other hand, I don't think he can carry Darby's jock. Are you saying Randall was/is as good as Darby??

Randall is a soft player. He is the type of player the Packers prefer... for some reason, given the choice between two players - a tough, hardnosed tackler, and a finesse guy, the Packers will take the finesse guy every time.

The national media have been questioning the Packers toughness for years - and for good reason.

[mraynrand]

I saw Darby play a couple of times for the Bills. He's pretty physical, but I thought he was a bit of a liability in man coverage. He seemed to get turned and get lost sometimes. Seems like a good player. Should improve.

[mraynrand]

The national media have been questioning the Packers toughness for years - and for good reason.

And you buy the national media? :) If all you watch is Packers football...they may look soft, but a lot of teams play as soft or softer than than the Packers D. The Packers aren't playing in a vacuum. the 49ers, Seahawks, and Broncos all had enormous success the past few years with very good defenses. Compared to those teams , the Packers defense looks soft. It really does. But that's a one-sided view. The Packers are designed to beat people mostly with their offense. They can win with a capable defense, and that's probably what they will have, so long as Stubby is the coach.

[Patler]

If all you watch is Packers football, he probably seems like the second coming of Rod Woodson... on the other hand, I don't think he can carry Darby's jock. Are you saying Randall was/is as good as Darby??

Randall is a soft player. He is the type of player the Packers prefer... for some reason, given the choice between two players - a tough, hardnosed tackler, and a finesse guy, the Packers will take the finesse guy every time.

The national media have been questioning the Packers toughness for years - and for good reason.

How the heck can I possibly compare Darby and Randall? I see Randall play every week. When do I get to see Darby play, and how often? I suppose I could make something up based on a few highlight plays, but after all, those are highlights and may not be representative of his overall work.

Randall showed himself to be a willing tackler last year, more willing than some CBs the Packers have had in the past. Maybe his technique wasn't always the best, but that is what coaching is for. I don't know how anyone could watch the Packers last year and not see Randall as a very willing tackler at CB.

Randall hasn't been there "for years", so any media questioning of the "Packers toughness for years" is not an indictment of Randall. It means nothing.

[pbmax]

cad!

I hate that Yooper has a busier day job now.

[pbmax]

we could go bump threads that support TT's use of the first and threads that don't.

Justine Harrell and Sherry come to mind.

Without a bump I can tell you that Justin Harrell the poster was very unsure about Derek Sherrod the player.

[call_me_ishmael]

Harvey, he's exactly what I said he was, and he's exactly what he was in college. A guy with good ball skills, and tackles like a girl. I don't like him as a football player - he's far too soft. He's a terrible tackler. I thought Darby was a much better player - and he proved to be a better player with the Bills.

You guys like your soft players that can cover; and you value interceptions over stopping the run and forcing punts. Luckily for you, TT prefers to play soft-ball too - and we habitually have an average to poor defense as a result. I don't get it, but TT will never change, and you guys will never like physical football players. It is what it is.

"He's far too soft, he's a terrible tackler, and he's a perennial pro bowler!"

[HarveyWallbangers]

we could go bump threads that support TT's use of the first and threads that don't.

Justine Harrell and Sherry come to mind.

From my perspective the negative folks write a guy off before he sets foot in camp. See above for an example. See all the consternation in yesterday's draft thread regarding Kenny Clark. The optimistic folks aren't saying a guy is a can't miss. They are saying wait and see. See my quote regarding Randall for an example.


I think he's a corner with the versatility to play safety, and later he will. Kind of like Antrell Rolle. I don't hate or like the pick, but he wasn't a reach. Bob and Kiper had him going in the early 20's. Most had him going in the top 40--Lindy's and their two month old scouting reports notwithstanding. I think if people had been thinking of him as a CB, they'd like him a lot more. To me, he's similar prospect to Eric Rowe.

[George Cumby]

It's so funny. It takes literally years to grade a draft and people rush to judgement the day of the draft.

I'm not complaining, fans reactions is all part of the drama and adds to the entertainment value of the whole deal.

[call_me_ishmael]

Guys I like in R2:

Braxton Miller
Kevin Dodd
Su'a Cravens
Jaylon Smith
Myles Jack

There are more but Braxton Miller and Su'a Cravens are both going to be studs IMO.

[Fritz]

I don't think TT will take any medical chances. Not in round two, anyway.

[woodbuck27]

It's so funny. It takes literally years to grade a draft and people rush to judgement the day of the draft.

I'm not complaining, fans reactions is all part of the drama and adds to the entertainment value of the whole deal.

http://www.art-fever.co.uk/canvas_images/monkey2.jpg

I'm not complaining either.

[3irty1]

If all you watch is Packers football, he probably seems like the second coming of Rod Woodson... on the other hand, I don't think he can carry Darby's jock. Are you saying Randall was/is as good as Darby??

Randall is a soft player. He is the type of player the Packers prefer... for some reason, given the choice between two players - a tough, hardnosed tackler, and a finesse guy, the Packers will take the finesse guy every time.

The national media have been questioning the Packers toughness for years - and for good reason.

If we were to redraft tomorrow Darby might crack the top 5 but this wasn't about Darby and still isn't.

You're on record in this thread saying Randall was a wasted pick, not worthy of a first round selection, and even took your hyperbole so far as to say he could have been taken in the 5th round. If we were to redraft tomorrow Randall would be well within top 20. He's exceeded expectations for near every fan but for you he's been an all you can eat crow buffet. Its not polite to talk with your mouth full even when doing so with a separate orifice.

[wist43]

If we were to redraft tomorrow Darby might crack the top 5 but this wasn't about Darby and still isn't.

You're on record in this thread saying Randall was a wasted pick, not worthy of a first round selection, and even took your hyperbole so far as to say he could have been taken in the 5th round. If we were to redraft tomorrow Randall would be well within top 20. He's exceeded expectations for near every fan but for you he's been an all you can eat crow buffet. Its not polite to talk with your mouth full even when doing so with a separate orifice.

I don't think he was worth a 1st round pick. Didn't, and don't.

What part of that don't you understand?? I don't like soft players, never will, and would never draft one in the first round - is that clear enough for you??

[George Cumby]

Yes, but no one else sees the 'softness' you describe. You may need to readjust your set.

[pbmax]

Nitschke > Butkus > Darby > soft > Randall > ankle-biter

Just because he isn't an ankle biter doesn't mean he is not soft. Look at that scale!

[3irty1]

I don't think he was worth a 1st round pick. Didn't, and don't.

What part of that don't you understand?? I don't like soft players, never will, and would never draft one in the first round - is that clear enough for you??

Oh no I understand perfectly, and you're certainly entitled to opine as hard as any of us humble know-nothing amateurs. Then there's you:


Can't believe anyone really believes the kid should have gone that high... sounds like someone started a misdirection campaign that this kid was a player, and people began to believe the ruse.

Seriously, just put on the game tape of the guy... he couldn't tackle your grandmother. Soft, softer, and please don't hurt me type of player. The more I watched of the guy, the more I thought I was alone in the Twilight Zone - wondering, am I the only one who is seeing this??

Apparently I am the only one who is seeing it, b/c what I saw of Randall should have him flipping burgers at McDonalds before he belongs on an NFL roster.

I'm sure he'd be All-World in a flag football league - but the NFL aint that.

Doesn't quite match up with the 2015 edition of Damarious "the crow chef" Randall.

https://vine.co/v/iMqAuaB0VuZ

:lol:

[George Cumby]

^ Anklebiter!

Lol!

More like lumber salesman.

[Bossman641]

Serious question, how many cb's today really bring the wood?
Randall has shown that he's not afraid to get in there abdominal mix it up. He's not a big guy but he's certainly not tramon playing patty cake with receivers.

[wist43]

Oh no I understand perfectly, and you're certainly entitled to opine as hard as any of us humble know-nothing amateurs. Then there's you:



Doesn't quite match up with the 2015 edition of Damarious "the crow chef" Randall.

https://vine.co/v/iMqAuaB0VuZ

:lol:

The guy makes one hit, and now he's Rod Woodson?? Yeah, right... hell, I think even Deion Sanders had a decleater or two ;)

I saw enough missed tackles and timid breakdowns to hold to my opinion of the guy being soft.

If we were going to go CB last year, I'd have taken Darby - who clearly showed to be the better player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The guy makes one hit, and now he's Rod Woodson?? Yeah, right... hell, I think even Deion Sanders had a decleater or two ;)

I saw enough missed tackles and timid breakdowns to hold to my opinion of the guy being soft.

If we were going to go CB last year, I'd have taken Darby - who clearly showed to be the better player.

5th rounder.

[wist43]

5th rounder.

That's right - only 1st round picks can play, right??

Darby is better than Randall, yet was a 2nd round pick... crazy, huh??

[mraynrand]

Darby is better than Randall, yet was a 2nd round pick... crazy, huh??

I disagree. They are used differently and Randall wasn't needed to start right away, so he didn't accumulate the same numbers.

[mraynrand]

^^^ Still, Wist could be right - over a career I could see Darby having a better run than Randall. Just saying it's too early to tell. Looks pretty close right now.

[pbmax]

^^^ Still, Wist could be right - over a career I could see Darby having a better run than Randall. Just saying it's too early to tell. Looks pretty close right now.

End of first round is less than a fifty-fifty proposition that they start for any appreciable time. Packers ahead of the curve there. He and Quentin Rollins Band are going to be around for awhile.

[mraynrand]

End of first round is less than a fifty-fifty proposition that they start for any appreciable time. Packers ahead of the curve there. He and Quentin Rollins Band are going to be around for awhile.

All true it appears. But here I'm just comparing to Darby. If you project Randall from 9 to 15 starts, he has more tackles, and twice as many interceptions. I've watched them both. Randall may be 'softer' but he covers better in man. (only two games watched for the Bills to every game for the Packers so there is a bias)

[HarveyWallbangers]

All true it appears. But here I'm just comparing to Darby. If you project Randall from 9 to 15 starts, he has more tackles, and twice as many interceptions. I've watched them both. Randall may be 'softer' but he covers better in man. (only two games watched for the Bills to every game for the Packers so there is a bias)

I wasn't talking about Darby vs. Randall. That is irrelevant to the discussion. I was poking fun at wist's brutal scouting report on Randall, and the fact that he said he wouldn't take Randall before the 5th round.

[wist43]

I wasn't talking about Darby vs. Randall. That is irrelevant to the discussion. I was poking fun at wist's brutal scouting report on Randall, and the fact that he said he wouldn't take Randall before the 5th round.

Don't think I said that... as I remember, I said there were sites that had a 5th round grade on him - one site had him as an undrafted FA. I don't like soft players, and would think that there would be a player more to my liking at just about every pick of the draft.

Look Harv, I know all you guys are homers, and you love every pick Ted makes - whether they are good or hamburger flippers is irrelevant to the fact that you all will pour accolades on to every Packer draft choice.

Philosophically, I don't agree at all with the Packer approach to defense - so naturally, I'm not going to like a lot of the players TT picks on that side of the ball simply b/c of style. They may end up being a servicable player for the style that the Packers play, but for the style of play I prefer, Ted's players simply wouldn't be a fit.

There are teams that get how to play good defense; and, there are teams that get how to play good offense - and they draft accordingly. The Packers, under TT and MM, have been all about offense, and the defense has been bad to average, with the exception of a couple of years in which TT had inherited players and actually signed a couple of key FA's, i.e. Jenkins, Woodson, and Pickett.

The rest of the time, the majority of the time TT has been here - the defense has been shit With you guys the whole time thinking you're watching something that is Lombardiesque.

Didn't know 'Lombardiesque' was a word did ya?? Well, now ya do :)

[Zool]

Heh. You cannot admit you are wrong. Ever? You said he's got a better shot at flipping burgers than an NFL career. If the only corner in the entire 2015 draft better than Randall is Darby then what? Was he still a wasted first round pick? If he starts for 10 years and ends up with 45 ints is it a wasted pick?

[wist43]

Heh. You cannot admit you are wrong. Ever? You said he's got a better shot at flipping burgers than an NFL career. If the only corner in the entire 2015 draft better than Randall is Darby then what? Was he still a wasted first round pick? If he starts for 10 years and ends up with 45 ints is it a wasted pick?

I just gave you an explanation as to why I don't like the guy - give it a fucking rest you unnatural fucking noise.

[mraynrand]

I wasn't talking about Darby vs. Randall. That is irrelevant to the discussion. I was poking fun at wist's brutal scouting report on Randall, and the fact that he said he wouldn't take Randall before the 5th round.

I know you weren't. But Wist was. So I decided to address that. Feel free to poke fun at Wist :)

[Patler]

It's Randall time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWCs2FlrU0

[mraynrand]

Philosophically, I don't agree at all with the Packer approach to defense - so naturally, I'm not going to like a lot of the players TT picks on that side of the ball simply b/c of style. They may end up being a servicable player for the style that the Packers play, but for the style of play I prefer, Ted's players simply wouldn't be a fit.

This is a reasonable thing to say



The rest of the time, the majority of the time TT has been here - the defense has been shit With you guys the whole time thinking you're watching something that is Lombardiesque.

this is a really stupid thing to say

[pbmax]

If you read Randall's scouting report with an eye toward being a safety, I think you could see your way to soft 'n small. Doesn't really mean the same thing for a CB.

[George Cumby]

It's Randall time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWCs2FlrU0

Boy, that kid likes to make plays. Pick six, game saving pass break up, multiple end zone picks. What a great choice, Ted! Amazing that we lay folk couldn't see what Ted and his professional scouts saw. Ted must have just gotten lucky! Amiright!?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can the majority of CBs be called "soft" due to the widespread tackling issues? What about most safties? I think we all see DBs in general decide to throw their bodies at TEs and WRs by leading with a shoulder with hopes that they will knock the guy down vs actually tacking them. Frankly, it's rare that actual tackling exists out of the front 7.