Official Day 2 (Rounds 2 and 3) of the 2015 NFL Draft Thread

[wist43]

Hey Assholes....who are we hoping for ?

Just go in

I hate San Diego and Baltimore; would have been enthused with their guys

I guess Mauldin or Rollins... pretty sure TT hasn't heard of either though

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whew

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Andrew Perloff ‏@andrewperloff 23s24 seconds ago
Cowboys take Randy Gregory. Wow!

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cowboys could still take the hometown boy

[mraynrand]

always funny when black guys wear cowboy hats

i saw a chinaman dressed like a mexican cowboy the other day at taco bell, that was good for a laugh

microaggression!

[wist43]

paul dawson is the last ILB worth a shit in the draft

I like Ramik Wilson a lot better than Dawson...

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Dov Kleiman ‏@NFL_RealUpdates 32s33 seconds ago
Arizona #Cardinals have selected LB Markus Golden with the 58th overall pick in the 2015 #NFL Draft.

[Rastak]

11. MARKUS GOLDEN | Missouri 6023|260 lbs|5SR St. Louis, Mo. (Afton HS) 3/13/1991 (age 24) #33
GRADE 4th-5th Round

BACKGROUND: After a rocky high school career, which included him quitting football at one point, Golden zeroed his sights on Missouri (his “dream school”), but he didn’t have the grades and enrolled at Hutchinson Community College. He was a standout JUCO performer as a freshman in 2010 before redshirting in 2011 to focus on academics. A three-star JUCO recruit, Golden didn’t bother taking any visits, committing to Missouri as soon as he was offered, playing a reserve outside linebacker role in 2012 as a sophomore. He moved to defensive end in 2013 as a junior and served as Michael Sam’s back-up, playing approximately 40% of the snaps, but still managed double-digit tackles for loss (13.0) and finished third on the team in sacks (6.5). With Kony Ealy and Sam off to the NFL, Golden became the starting left defensive end as a senior in 2014 and finished second on the team in tackles for loss (20.0) and sacks (10.0), leading the team in forced fumbles (three) and fumble recoveries (three) and earning Second Team All-SEC honors. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Good flexibility and athleticism off the edge with excellent initial momentum…uses his upper and lower body in unison – coordinated and always in marriage…moves well up and down the line of scrimmage, mirroring the ball and showing lateral footwork to maneuver around bodies…superb run defender with good backfield vision and anticipation to quickly locate, staying square to the line…sets the edge and plays like a veteran, showing terrific recognition skills to pick up offensive tendencies throughout the course of a game…delivers pop off the snap to work off blocks with arm techniques, disrupting and pushing the pocket – tough to slow his momentum once he gains an inch…violent tackler and loves to finish, doing a nice job collecting himself in space and breaking down…takes smart angles to the play and closes well with constant pursuit to the ball – very active with a motor that’s always revving…strong football and personal character and a goal driven individual – was forced to grow up at an early age and already carries himself like a professional…highly productive with 143 total tackles, 33.0 tackles for loss and 16.5 sacks over just 13 starts.


WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal height and arm length with an average frame and limited growth potential for the position…lacks above average explosive traits off the edge with average change of direction skills – clear hip and joint tightness when redirecting his momentum…not overpowering once locked up and can be driven backwards, lacking the brute upper body strength to routinely shed blocks – will get pushed around in a crowd…needs to improve his hand technique once engaged to better work off contact…will rush too high and out of control at times – needs to show a more consistent pass rush plan…needs to do a better job working pass rush moves into his strategy…only one full season as a starter, missing one game (vs. Indiana) due to a hamstring injury – limited workout at the 2015 NFL Scouting Combine due to a left hamstring strain.


SUMMARY: Although his football journey hit a few snags, Golden was determined to play at Missouri and he waited his turn before producing an excellent senior campaign that was somewhat overlooked due to Shane Ray’s success opposite him. Golden lacks the explosive traits of other edge rush prospects and doesn’t have a consistent rush plan, but he plays with the energy, relentless attitude and toughness to be effective. He holds up well vs. the run with his ability to locate and deliver a pop to make stops, working hard to stay involved in the play. Golden is highly driven and goal oriented – the type of person who sets his mind on something and achieves it. Although he isn’t an elite size/speed/strength rusher, Golden is good-enough in all three areas with the well-rounded skills to be a run stopper and pass rusher, ideally suited at right defensive end in a 4-3 scheme or possibly standing up at linebacker in a 3-4.

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cowboys take gregory according to Pb's leak

[Rastak]

I watched Ricky Upchurch as a kid when he played with the Gophers.

[wist43]

My guess for the pick is TJ Clemmings

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broncos take OT tyson Sambrailo

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cowboys are going to pick Tevin Coleman

[pittstang5]

Andrew Perloff ‏@andrewperloff 23s24 seconds ago
Cowboys take Randy Gregory. Wow!

could totally see that

[Rastak]

cowboys take gregory according to Pb's leak


Replace Hardy I guess.

[wist43]

There goes Sambrailo...

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bucs just jumped ahead of us

not good

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Dov Kleiman @NFL_RealUpdates · 32s 32 seconds ago
#Buccaneers have traded up.

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Dov Kleiman @NFL_RealUpdates · 12s 12 seconds ago
Tampa Bay #Buccaneers have traded with the #Colts for the 61st pick and select Hobart College OL Ali Marpet.

[Rastak]

Yea picks queued and leaks pretty takes the last ounce of fun out of it.

You guys are up shortly.

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bucs drafted some o-lineman from hobert college

Ali Marpet

our pick should be in

[Bretsky]

Who is the BPA on boards ? I'm fine with Dawson

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Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 27s27 seconds ago
Dallas takes Gregory. Dawson, Davis, Odighizuwa still on board

[Maxie the Taxi]

Gregory fits right in with the cowgirls. LOL

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all yours on the leaks pb

[Maxie the Taxi]

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 27s27 seconds ago
Dallas takes Gregory. Dawson, Davis, Odighizuwa still on board

So is PJ Williams

[Bretsky]

bucs just jumped ahead of us

not good



If they want a LB, they gotta jump da turtle

[Bretsky]

f'ck it; I want to trade down

[wist43]

So is PJ Williams

PJ Williams can't run...

[Rastak]

Ha Ha - Gregory sounds like Manziel and his "let's wreck this league"

[Maxie the Taxi]

PJ Williams can't run...

That's why I think TT is going to draft him. LOL I'm learning from you Wist.

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yeah, lets draft another cb, that sounds like something ted would do

[pittstang5]

my guess - jaelen strong for the pack

[pbmax]

Well has gone dry on Twitter.

[Bretsky]

I'll bet you $637 Billion that TT doesn't take an ILB in round 2 ;)

probably right

[wist43]

That's why I think TT is going to draft him. LOL I'm learning from you Wist.

lol

[Carolina_Packer]

paul dawson is the last ILB worth a shit in the draft

Some publications like Dawson the best of all the ILB's

[Bretsky]

my guess - jaelen strong for the pack

I would be ok with that...the dude may be the BPA

[Rastak]

Well has gone dry on Twitter.


NFL probably sent a team to take him out.

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oh for fuck sakes

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rastak]

Interviews while the second round is almost complete now......lovely.

[wist43]

Some publications like Dawson the best of all the ILB's

That was before he ran a 4.93 at the combine...

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packers and seahawks both have picks in, pats are on the clock

[pbmax]

Rumor ONLY
Jersey Al - ALLGBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 23s23 seconds ago
you guys are goint to make me write it? ok - Odighizuwa Owamagbe

Dov Kleiman @NFL_RealUpdates · 21s 21 seconds ago
Both the #Packers and #Seahawks made their pick. #Patriots are on the clock with the final pick of the 2nd round.

[Carolina_Packer]

Replace Hardy I guess.

Maybe Hardy can make sure he shows up on time.

[ptisme]

TB took Marpet

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ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
Ed Werder of ESPN says "some people in the league think there are mental health issues" with Cowboys DE Randy Gregory.

Bob McGinn ‏@BobMcGinn 50s51 seconds ago
A week ago, one NFL personnel director, referring to OLB-DE Randy Gregory, told me: "He's Jerry's kind of guy."

[pbmax]

Don;t know if he is kidding

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 9s9 seconds ago
Don't discount another cornerback here. Hearing Quentin Rollins. Former Miami (Ohio) point guard.

Dov Kleiman @NFL_RealUpdates · 19s 19 seconds ago
New England #Patriots have selected Standford DB Jordan Richards with the 64rd overall pick in the 2015 #NFL Draft.

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the guy we should have picked in the first IMO

love the player, but ILB is still a complete mess

[wist43]

I like Rollins a hell of a lot more than Randall!!!

[pbmax]

Confirmed

Dov Kleiman ‏@NFL_RealUpdates 9s10 seconds ago
Green Bay #Packers have selected DB Quinten Rollins with the 62nd overall pick in the 2015 #NFL Draft.

[Carolina_Packer]

That was before he ran a 4.93 at the combine...

That number doesn't lie, but sometimes you'll take someone who diagnoses and takes good angles more than you care about 40 times. Darius Hayward-Bay was world class fast, but wouldn't know a route tree if it fell on him.

[Rastak]

8. QUINTEN ROLLINS | Miami (Ohio) 5111|195 lbs|5SR Wilmington, Ohio (Wilmington HS) 7/1992 (age 22) #2
GRADE 2nd Round Total: (12/12) 72/4.0/16/7
MEASUREABLES Arm: 30 1/4 | Hand: 09 | Wingspan: 73 1/2
COMBINE 40-YD: 4.57 | 10-YD: 1.61 | 20-YD: 2.67 | BP: 14 | VJ: 36 1/2 | BJ: 10’02” | SS: 4.28 | 3C: 7.10 | LS: 11.53


BACKGROUND: A football and basketball recruit out of high school, Rollins focused mostly on basketball and enrolled at Miami (Ohio) to play on the hardcourt. He started all four seasons for the Redhawks basketball team at point guard (106 career starts), finishing second in school history in steals (214) and fourth in career assists (391). Rollins was a two-year team captain and earned the Team’s Defensive Player of the Year Award three straight seasons. Unsure about a professional basketball career, he decided to play one year of football with his final season of collegiate eligibility and went to Redhawks head coach Chuck Martin, who invited him to spring practice for a try-out, just days after the basketball season ended. Rollins said he “was almost done with football” during spring because he was so far behind compared to others on the team, but he stuck with it and moved his way up the depth chart through spring and summer, earning a starting job for the season opener. Rollins finished the 2014 season with 72 tackles, 4.0 tackles for loss, 16 passes defended and a MAC-best seven interceptions, which ranked third nationally. He earned MAC Defensive Player of the Year and conference First Team honors, receiving an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Constructed well for the position with good length and solid build for his height…fluid athlete with coordinated footwork and smooth belt action to easily flip his hips…good flexibility out of his stance, keeping his nose over his toes and staying low to spring in any direction…above average ballskills, reflexes and hand-eye coordination (16 passes defended in 12 starts)…impressive tackling technique for a player with his inexperience, sinking, striking and wrapping with timing and pop…throws his body around with emphasis and has embraced the physical side of the game…good eye use to read and anticipate the play before it happens, staying dialed in with natural instincts to put himself in position to make plays on the ball…ideal toughness for the position, both physically and mentally…highly confident with a short memory to bounce back quickly after mistakes, especially important for a player with his inexperience…aggressive hands to fight through blockers and make a play on the ballcarrier…has experience on special teams coverages…mature work ethic with ambitious personality, both on and off the field…solid durability with his body holding up the full football season without serious injury (not used to that type of consistent beating in basketball)…productive one year on the football field, earning MAC Defensive Player of the Year honors.


WEAKNESSES: Only one year of football experience since high school and never played cornerback until Spring 2014…very raw technically and still learning trends and tendencies at the position…unpolished recognition skills and needs to better anticipate route concepts and how to leverage the field…shows natural transitional quickness, but his mechanical flaws will hinder his ability to gain proper body position downfield…often allows too much cushion at the line of scrimmage and is raw with his spacing and closing time…does have press experience, but doesn’t make contact off the snap and is unproven jamming receivers at the line…bad habit of biting on outside moves at the line and giving up inside position due to impatient feet…too often flips his hips off the snap and needs time to develop his backpedal technique…green behind the ears with defensive schemes and still learning secondary terminology.


SUMMARY: Rollins was an unknown in the football scouting world after not playing the sport since high school, but it didn’t take long for him to move up the depth chart for the Redhawks, impressing coaches and scouts throughout the season and ultimately winning the MAC Defensive Player of the Year honors. He played the robber rover position in high school, but played mostly offense so he entered 2014 with no football experience in four years and zero experience in his life at cornerback. Rollins adjusted quickly and showed a raw understanding of the position, lining up inside and outside for the Redhawks, also playing man and zone coverages. He needs coached up with backpedal and overall technique, but he has moldable traits with the basketball athleticism, ballskills and defensive mind-set (three-time defensive player of the year for the Miami basketball squad) that translates well to the football field. Although there will be a steep learning curve for him in the NFL and inexperienced mistakes will be inevitable, Rollins is an attractive player due to his talent, toughness and confidence to embrace challenges with his overachieving work ethic. There will be bumps in the road, but he has the physical and mental make-up to see the field early in his career and learn on the go, either at cornerback or free safety – solid second round pick.

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Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs 5s6 seconds ago
Terrific story on #Packers CB Quinten Rollins here from @MattBowen41 Super read. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444399-how-quinten-rollins-became-the-2015-nfl-drafts-unlikeliest-prospect …

[pittstang5]

Love the pick - which makes me dislike the pick yesterday. Oh well.

Are we done with DBs now?

[wist43]

Would be all onboard if it were Anthony/McKinney and Rollins...

Just hate the Randall pick so much... still can't get over how bad a pick that was.

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I like Rollins a hell of a lot more than Randall!!!

i do too

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Dov Kleiman @NFL_RealUpdates · 2m 2 minutes ago
Seattle #Seahawks have selected DE Frank Clark with the 63rd overall pick in the 2015 #NFL Draft.

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Would be all onboard if it were Anthony/McKinney and Rollins...

Just hate the Randall pick so much... still can't get over how bad a pick that was.

exactly

and this pick just makes that pick look so much worse

[wist43]

Maybe TT realized how badly he fucked up yesterday, and thought he better back himself up today, lol...

[Bretsky]

yeah, lets draft another cb, that sounds like something ted would do



CLASSIC FORESHADOWING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mraynrand]

Fluff piece I read a while back:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Miami-Ohio’s-Quinten-Rollins-goes-from-hardwood-to-1-of-draft’s-top-CBs/30b7a88a-2070-42df-89fc-8715e673b0b0

[Rastak]

Round 3 - for my squad I'd love to see AJ Cann still around or move up and grab him.

[smuggler]

Woot! Rolly!

[wist43]

Very surprised that TT took defense/CB there...

[Bretsky]

In Ted we trust, right ?

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i wonder if anyone would trade an ILB for the guy we drafted last night?

[Rastak]

So much for that.

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In Ted we trust, right ?

not at all

i'm seriously thinking of finding another team to cheer for in the offseason

[wist43]

In Ted we trust, right ?

As a former homeless teenager?? You learn very quickly - never, ever, trust anyone :)

[Bossman641]

Would be all onboard if it were Anthony/McKinney and Rollins...

Just hate the Randall pick so much... still can't get over how bad a pick that was.

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/simpsons-mob-torches.jpg

Let's cut that MF!!

[Rastak]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Randy Gregory's representatives made it clear that, whichever team drafts him, needs to have a support system in...

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hey Wist, you know what? Quinten Rollins and PJ Williams had virtually identical measureables at the Combine. In fact, their 40 times ARE identical: 4.57.

So you were right. TT does draft CB's that can't run! LOL

[wist43]

In Ted we trust, right ?

The Randall pick is just awful... not enough negative words in the English language to describe how stupid a pick that was.

[wist43]

Hey Wist, you know what? Quinten Rollins and PJ Williams had virtually identical measureables at the Combine. In fact, their 40 times ARE identical: 4.57.

So you were right. TT does draft CB's that can't run! LOL

Two completely different players... Rollins is solidly built, and can hit. He show up on film as a very stout tackler and run defender.

Randall on the other hand looks like a complete foo-foo out there...

Randle has a very slight frame, and won't be able to carry his combine weight during the season... wouldn't surprise me if he plays in the 170's. He's a complete wimp

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Randy Gregory's representatives made it clear that, whichever team drafts him, needs to have a support system in...

his own people said that?

wow

[Rastak]

his own people said that?

wow


That's what I thought.

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looks like we've broke the webpage again

[pbmax]

Two completely different players... Rollins is solidly built, and can hit. He show up on film as a very stout tackler and run defender.

Randall on the other hand looks like a complete foo-foo out there...

Randle has a very slight frame, and won't be able to carry his combine weight during the season... wouldn't surprise me if he plays in the 170's. He's a complete wimp

Read Maxie's message again wist

[Teamcheez1]

The Randall pick is just awful... not enough negative words in the English language to describe how stupid a pick that was.

I get the feeling that if the Packers have 10 picks per year, you would say the same thing about 9 of them.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Two completely different players... Rollins is solidly built, and can hit. He show up on film as a very stout tackler and run defender.

Randall on the other hand looks like a complete foo-foo out there...

Randle has a very slight frame, and won't be able to carry his combine weight during the season... wouldn't surprise me if he plays in the 170's. He's a complete wimp

I'm comparing PJ Williams, who you said "can't run," to Quinten Rollins. Not talking about Randle.

[pbmax]

In Ted we trust, right ?

Yep.

[pbmax]

looks like we've broke the webpage again

Whatever happened there's only 30 people left according to the front page and it seems faster. :)

Good work IT!

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troy vincent isn't fucking around

thata boy troy

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Whatever happened there's only 30 people left according to the front page and it seems faster. :)

Good work IT!

we finally got rid of those 100 lurkers that are always on here

[Bretsky]

The Randall pick is just awful... not enough negative words in the English language to describe how stupid a pick that was.


Anthony would look REALLY NICE now. There are DB's left. Not a ton of LB's.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Anthony would look REALLY NICE now. There are DB's left. Not a ton of LB's.

That's what I've been saying all evening. TT screwed up by passing on Anthony.

[Bretsky]

DEAR TED

Trade up and get the ILB

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of course goodell steps back up and slows shit down

fucker can't even read

[wist43]

I'm comparing PJ Williams, who you said "can't run," to Quinten Rollins. Not talking about Randle.

Williams looked good on tape until you saw him in a trailing position, or if he got beat on an initial move... if he didn't anticipate correctly, he was beat, and beat bad - no recovery speed at all.

Rollins on the other hand showed some "playing speed"... and he ran a 4.5 on his pro-day. Not blazing by NFL standards, but passable if he has all the other intangibles - which he has in spades.

Williams looked slow, slow, slow at every look... I liked a lot of what I saw with Williams. He certainly passes the eyeball test, and he's a tough defender in the 20 yd range, but beyond that he's very much exploitable.

Randall though... walking around the house since last night wondering what episode of the Twilight Zone I wandered into. Whoever got in TT's ear to make that pick should be fired yesterday. Football is supposed to be a tough, physical game, and we just spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy who belongs on Dancing With the Effeminate.

Randall can run, and he can catch the ball... after that TT put blinders on; b/c after that??, Randall is a complete pussy.

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Anthony would look REALLY NICE now. There are DB's left. Not a ton of LB's.

yes he would

that would be an A+ draft right there, no matter what else happens

maxie was saying that earlier today

[Bretsky]

Either Ted sees something in our ILB's that we don't see, or he just didn't think the ILB's this year were good...or he did a horrid job anticipating how this draft would go down as the ILB run hit in round 2

[pbmax]

Either Ted sees something in our ILB's that we don't see, or he just didn't think the ILB's this year were good...or he did a horrid job anticipating how this draft would go down as the ILB run hit in round 2

Matthews is starting in base and maybe nickel. I have been telling you all this for a month.

[pbmax]

Chip Kelly might be insane, but this is the reason the spread will continue to spread in the NFL. Packaged offenses and the whole shebang. There just aren't enough QBs.

Kevin Seifert ‏@SeifertESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Second time in three years NFL has drafted just two QBs thru Round 2. Another sign of personnel crisis.

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Either Ted sees something in our ILB's that we don't see, or he just didn't think the ILB's this year were good...or he did a horrid job anticipating how this draft would go down as the ILB run hit in round 2

we all thought we needed to draft an ILB last year, and he didn't

and the season proved we were right and he was wrong

now he's doing it again

[smuggler]

PJ williams is a shitter, though. Rollins might actually have some class.

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Matthews is starting in base and maybe nickel. I have been telling you all this for a month.

if thats the plan then ok, but someone needs to tell clay that, and then tell him to shut up about wanting to move back to OLB

we still need a decent backup

[wist43]

Either Ted sees something in our ILB's that we don't see, or he just didn't think the ILB's this year were good...or he did a horrid job anticipating how this draft would go down as the ILB run hit in round 2

Ted, Dom, and the Packers as an organization view the game as almost strictly a passing game... stopping the run is incidental and an afterthought.

Unfortunately, it seems that with his completely ignoring ILB early in the draft, that we are in for a full reversion back to playing nickel as our base - as we did from 2011-2013 when we fielded some of the worst defenses in league history (2011), and had to endure embarrassing beatdowns in the playoffs.

We're stuck with dunderdummy... and Ted likes that passive style of play too I guess - so as frustrating as it is to watch, that's the way our team has been built, is built, and will continue to be built.

[pbmax]

if thats the plan then ok, but someone needs to tell clay that, and then tell him to shut up about wanting to move back to OLB

we still need a decent backup

I bet the plan is to let the current ILBs work on their position. But if they fail, he moves back inside. He might be next for the Brett Favre made at the GM segment.

Although, Bob could be on the right track that the Packers (perhaps the coaches themselves) really like Bradford inside.

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I bet the plan is to let the current ILBs work on their position. But if they fail, he moves back inside. He might be next for the Brett Favre made at the GM segment.

Although, Bob could be on the right track that the Packers (perhaps the coaches themselves) really like Bradford inside.

then what has changed? like i said earlier today, they did not think he was an ILB last year when they drafted him, and they didn't move him there during the season when the two starters (hawk and jones) clearly should not have been on the field. we had a shit ton of talent in front of him at OLB, and next to nothing at ILB, yet the braintrust didn't want him as an ILB, for whatever reason

[wist43]

I bet the plan is to let the current ILBs work on their position. But if they fail, he moves back inside. He might be next for the Brett Favre made at the GM segment.

Although, Bob could be on the right track that the Packers (perhaps the coaches themselves) really like Bradford inside.

That would be a wow... b/c that guy looked like he should be bartending last year - regardless of where they might try him, he did not look like an NFL football player at all!!

[Maxie the Taxi]

I bet the plan is to let the current ILBs work on their position. But if they fail, he moves back inside. He might be next for the Brett Favre made at the GM segment.

Although, Bob could be on the right track that the Packers (perhaps the coaches themselves) really like Bradford inside.

TT will draft a thumper later....Maybe Jeff Luc or Taiwan Jones.

[3irty1]

You can't get too many corners. All these raw type of inexperienced guys seem like a huge vote of confidence in Whitt. This is going to be one ball hawking secondary.

I'm ready for some LB talent. We didn't need 1st or 2nd rounders to replace the shit we had but we're now in the meat of this draft. Lets get someone mean. The defense always looks like the MLB.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm expecting a QB as our next pick.....

[run pMc]

Very late to the party. So it sounds like people like Ted's R2 pick better than his R1 pick?
The Matt Bowen story is a nice fluff piece, hard to tell from the video if that's actually how Rollins plays. Looks like a decent tackler, and along with Goodson might be a good contributor on ST.
Our secondary can probably beat any other teams' on the basketball court. It's a lot of bodies to throw at CB, but with losing both House and Tramon and Bush unsigned, I guess it makes sense.

Would have liked to have seen TT take Anthony in R1 though.

From what I heard the ILB crop is not that good, but I think TT will pick one up either mid-to-late or via UDFA.

[sharpe1027]

Calm down. No need to draft an ILB in the first two rounds if the talent sucks. We had one if the highest picked ILB in recent history with Hawk. Nuff said.

[wist43]

You can't get too many corners. All these raw type of inexperienced guys seem like a huge vote of confidence in Whitt. This is going to be one ball hawking secondary.

Well, they're going to have to intercept it, b/c they sure as shitfuck aint gonna be able to tackle anyone... Rollins can tackle, but Randall needs to have a cell phone on him to call for help.


I'm ready for some LB talent. We didn't need 1st or 2nd rounders to replace the shit we had but we're now in the meat of this draft. Lets get someone mean. The defense always looks like the MLB.

I think we're going to revert back to a lot of nickel as our base... maybe Richardson will be deployed as a rover of sorts. We'll be small as fuck upfront and on the second level, but Dom never thinks the opponent will run the ball anyway.

Last year's encouraging signs of actually trying to play some tough football seem to be out the window, and we're back to flag football.

It's very discouraging.

[Carolina_Packer]

On a positive note, neither of the first two DB's are named Ahmad Carroll.

[pbmax]

then what has changed? like i said earlier today, they did not think he was an ILB last year when they drafted him, and they didn't move him there during the season when the two starters (hawk and jones) clearly should not have been on the field. we had a shit ton of talent in front of him at OLB, and next to nothing at ILB, yet the braintrust didn't want him as an ILB, for whatever reason

Ted and the Scouts get the first shot to place the players. There is some evidence the O Line might be different. So they thought Bradford could provide pass rush, but it didn't pan out.

So he switches to ILB with a week or two of camp to go. He is switching positions from college AND from the rest of the offseason. He wasn't going to be able to do it that fast.

With a whole offseason, its more feasible.

I don't KNOW that is happening, but Bob did report that someone in the Packers like him inside. We won't know until camp and preseason.

[3irty1]

Well, they're going to have to intercept it, b/c they sure as shitfuck aint gonna be able to tackle anyone... Rollins can tackle, but Randall needs to have a cell phone on him to call for help.



I think we're going to revert back to a lot of nickel as our base... maybe Richardson will be deployed as a rover of sorts. We'll be small as fuck upfront and on the second level, but Dom never thinks the opponent will run the ball anyway.

Last year's encouraging signs of actually trying to play some tough football seem to be out the window, and we're back to flag football.

It's very discouraging.

Randall will fit right in then.

Small up front? Compared to what?!

[wist43]

Calm down. No need to draft an ILB in the first two rounds if the talent sucks. We had one if the highest picked ILB in recent history with Hawk. Nuff said.

There are LB's rated further down that I really like - I just have no faith in TT that he will draft any of them.

That being the case, we go into next season with the slugs we have available - we're looking at going back to playing a ton of nickel as our base b/c we simply don't have enough talented players to play the 2nd level.

TT and Dom don't care about stopping the run... they've made that painfully clear.

[pbmax]

Well, they're going to have to intercept it, b/c they sure as shitfuck aint gonna be able to tackle anyone... Rollins can tackle, but Randall needs to have a cell phone on him to call for help.



I think we're going to revert back to a lot of nickel as our base... maybe Richardson will be deployed as a rover of sorts. We'll be small as fuck upfront and on the second level, but Dom never thinks the opponent will run the ball anyway.

Last year's encouraging signs of actually trying to play some tough football seem to be out the window, and we're back to flag football.

It's very discouraging.

C'mon, you are reading too much into losing Williams, Hawk and Jones. Tramontana wasn't the most physical corner. And even if the backups start at ILB, as a group, with Hayward in for Williams, its a better D. Certainly no less tough. If Randall was the free safety over HaHa, then I see your point. but he is the dime guy right now.

You also get Raji back and a (hopefully) second year jump from Pennel.

[red]

Ted and the Scouts get the first shot to place the players. There is some evidence the O Line might be different. So they thought Bradford could provide pass rush, but it didn't pan out.

So he switches to ILB with a week or two of camp to go. He is switching positions from college AND from the rest of the offseason. He wasn't going to be able to do it that fast.

With a whole offseason, its more feasible.

I don't KNOW that is happening, but Bob did report that someone in the Packers like him inside. We won't know until camp and preseason.

i liked him as an ILB when we drafted him, i even mentioned in last years draft thread that he was our new ILB

it ted and the scouts are telling our coaches where to play the picks, then thats a massive issue to me

[pbmax]

TT will draft a thumper later....Maybe Jeff Luc or Taiwan Jones.



I'm ready for some LB talent. We didn't need 1st or 2nd rounders to replace the shit we had but we're now in the meat of this draft. Lets get someone mean. The defense always looks like the MLB.

That's still the part I haven't figured out.

If you gave Ted a top of the 2nd round pick for free, does he take a 3 down LB or a thumper?

How much does he want Matthews out of the middle in base versus a 3rd down/dime backer they do not have yet?

[pbmax]

i liked him as an ILB when we drafted him, i even mentioned in last years draft thread that he was our new ILB

it ted and the scouts are telling our coaches where to play the picks, then thats a massive issue to me

I think everyone came away from our initial breakdown of him thinking he was going inside. Ted burst everyone's bubble the next day at his PC.

[3irty1]

Fuck I hope we don't end up depending on Bradford. I'd prefer to not even depend on Barrington. I do love his attitude though.

[wist43]

Randall will fit right in then.

Small up front? Compared to what?!

Compared to a competent NFL calibur front seven.

If you don't have but 1 competent ILB - how can you possibly run a 3-4, or an Elephant?? The answer is you can't. If you can't run a competent base alignment, how long do you think it will take Dom to conclude, "... we should run the 2-4 as our base"??

It will take Dom all of 1.23 seconds to go full on 2-4 base again... the guy hates playing a seven man front. This draft, and the fact that we no longer have many competent second level guys has dunderdummy written all over it.

[pbmax]

Our secondary can probably beat any other teams' on the basketball court. It's a lot of bodies to throw at CB, but with losing both House and Tramon and Bush unsigned, I guess it makes sense.

run pMc makes a great point that hasn't been mentioned. We don't know the status of Bush after surgery. They could be down a third DB.

[Carolina_Packer]

I like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRBOKK3MV6E He seems to get it. I wish him well. I'd be happy if the Packers got him.

[pittstang5]

I think everyone came away from our initial breakdown of him thinking he was going inside. Ted burst everyone's bubble the next day at his PC.

Yep, as soon as he was drafted, I thought ILB.

[3irty1]

Compared to a competent NFL calibur front seven.

If you don't have but 1 competent ILB - how can you possibly run a 3-4, or an Elephant?? The answer is you can't. If you can't run a competent base alignment, how long do you think it will take Dom to conclude, "... we should run the 2-4 as our base"??

It will take Dom all of 1.23 seconds to go full on 2-4 base again... the guy hates playing a seven man front. This draft, and the fact that we no longer have many competent second level guys has dunderdummy written all over it.

A 3-4 and 2-4 have the same amount of ILB on the field. You have literally thousands of words in this forum bitching about exactly that.

If we go into the season with just one viable ILB you could be getting your 3-3 wish. Just let the blood rush from your ulcer to your penis Wist. Ted is pretty good at this stuff.

[sharpe1027]

There are LB's rated further down that I really like - I just have no faith in TT that he will draft any of them.

That being the case, we go into next season with the slugs we have available - we're looking at going back to playing a ton of nickel as our base b/c we simply don't have enough talented players to play the 2nd level.

TT and Dom don't care about stopping the run... they've made that painfully clear.

We lost three players at the position and drafted 2. I don't see any such indication from that.

[pbmax]

Compared to a competent NFL calibur front seven.

If you don't have but 1 competent ILB - how can you possibly run a 3-4, or an Elephant?? The answer is you can't. If you can't run a competent base alignment, how long do you think it will take Dom to conclude, "... we should run the 2-4 as our base"??

It will take Dom all of 1.23 seconds to go full on 2-4 base again... the guy hates playing a seven man front. This draft, and the fact that we no longer have many competent second level guys has dunderdummy written all over it.

He ran his Elephant and base (though he dumped the 4-3) with Hawk and Jones inside. He ran it with Hawk and Lattimore inside. He ran it with Hawk and Barrington inside. And he ran it with Matthews and Barrington inside.

Those last two are still here. Are Hawk/Jones/Lattimore anything other than replacement level ILBs at this point?

[gbgary]

cb was our weakest leak, and biggest need, going into the draft. TT's addressed it. lb, te, ol, who knows what's next.

[wist43]

C'mon, you are reading too much into losing Williams, Hawk and Jones. Tramontana wasn't the most physical corner. And even if the backups start at ILB, as a group, with Hayward in for Williams, its a better D. Certainly no less tough. If Randall was the free safety over HaHa, then I see your point. but he is the dime guy right now.

You also get Raji back and a (hopefully) second year jump from Pennel.

They wasted the 1st round pick on a foo-foo guy... a foo-foo guy who can't even play on the outside.

Best case scenario is that Randall will be a shutdown nickel back who can competently take away a teams #3 WR out of the slot.

You don't spend 1st round draft picks on nickel backs - especially when the middle of your defense on the second level has exactly 1 player.

Unless TT lands a couple of guys the calibur of Ramik Wilson in the next few rounds... then we have definitely decided that playing run defense is for the birds, and we've taken some serious steps backward on defense.

I have absolutely no faith in TT or the Packers as an organization when it comes to defense - and that is a lack of confidence that goes back to the 1970's... must be something in the water there at 1265.

[Bretsky]

GIVE ABOUT FOUR LB'S WE WOULD BE OK WITH

TED will draft a OL for sure...but let's give it a try

[3irty1]

In what Madden universe is your slot guy automatically your 3rd best CB and a slot WR the team's #3 WR? Slot corner is a helluva important position. Basically a starter for every team in the league.

[red]

run pMc makes a great point that hasn't been mentioned. We don't know the status of Bush after surgery. They could be down a third DB.

i just assumed we were

shields
hayward
hyde (cb or safety)
haha
burnett
randall (cb or s)
rollins (cb or s)
richadson

seems like enough without bush. plus we got that PS guy

[Bretsky]

OR............Fee free to offer others you'd be elated with round 3

[red]

cb was our weakest leak, and biggest need, going into the draft. TT's addressed it. lb, te, ol, who knows what's next.

disagree

we had 3 good cb's still on the roster

we had 1 average ILB on the roster

[red]

and goodell slows shit down again with some horseshit, make the people like be shit

[Bretsky]

There goes Mauldin....nice pick by Jets

[pittstang5]

Great pick for the Jets. Damn, I was starting to like Mauldin

[Maxie the Taxi]

Jets just drafted Wist's Lorenzo Mauldin

[wist43]

A 3-4 and 2-4 have the same amount of ILB on the field. You have literally thousands of words in this forum bitching about exactly that.

If we go into the season with just one viable ILB you could be getting your 3-3 wish. Just let the blood rush from your ulcer to your penis Wist. Ted is pretty good at this stuff.

Ted pretty much sucks at defense, lol.... as the whole Packers organization does ;)

As for the 2-4, with the players we have... it would have to have Richardson at ILB. Afterall, if Dom is in the 2-4 he's expecting pass, is he not?? Which he expects 100% of the time... an opponent running the ball is a complete shock to that idiot.

As for the 3-3, yes that should be our nickel... nothing's changed there. The hulabalu is about acquiring players that can play in at 3-4/Elephant base.

As of now, we have 1 ILB to play in that base. Yes Matthews can move inside, but I'd prefer to keep him outside. Given the way the draft is going - dunderdummy might have no choice but to move Clay inside in the base, if for no other reason than we don't have any other competent players to put in there.

[3irty1]

He ran his Elephant and base (though he dumped the 4-3) with Hawk and Jones inside. He ran it with Hawk and Lattimore inside. He ran it with Hawk and Barrington inside. And he ran it with Matthews and Barrington inside.

Those last two are still here. Are Hawk/Jones/Lattimore anything other than replacement level ILBs at this point?

I think that's awfully presumptuous. Matthews at ILB is a decent gimmick from time to time and a good backup plan but that's a pretty crappy plan A. KY once said it best. "That's using a thoroughbred to pull a milk wagon."

[Bretsky]

JETS Draft is kicking ASS

right after REX is LET GO

Good thing they don't have a QB

[wist43]

Jets just drafted Wist's Lorenzo Mauldin

The nightmare continues, lol...

Pretty sure we're going to draft a 165 lbs Safety next, lol...

The NFFL... The National Flag Football League ;)

[pbmax]

I think that's awfully presumptuous. Matthews at ILB is a decent gimmick from time to time and a good backup plan but that's a pretty crappy plan A. KY once said it best. "That's using a thoroughbred to pull a milk wagon."

It has to be Plan B right now. Bradford is the only option and he's barely seen the field inside, so Plan A is dicey as well.

[run pMc]

How much does he want Matthews out of the middle in base versus a 3rd down/dime backer they do not have yet?
I don't think they really want to put Clay inside unless they have no other options, which, with a draft and full offseason to sort out ILB, would be seen as negligent by sportswriters and fan base alike.
I don't think TT wants to draft someone who will only be a 2-down guy...not early in the draft anyway. Isn't ILB one of those positions where you can get by with lower round picks?

Also, this:

Fuck I hope we don't end up depending on Bradford. I'd prefer to not even depend on Barrington. I do love his attitude though.

Bradford can probably compete for a spot and maybe contribute, but I wouldn't hold my breath that he's starting. Barrington wasn't starting until later in the season, and he had experience at MLB. I think Bradford's college resume as a pass-rusher was what kept him from moving inside; but they should have seen he was too small. He doesn't have the long arms like Elvis Dumervil or some other short outside guys. I think he'll be better inside, but that's like saying beer tastes better than rancid milk.

[Bretsky]

Ted pretty much sucks at defense, lol.... as the whole Packers organization does ;)

As for the 2-4, with the players we have... it would have to have Richardson at ILB. Afterall, if Dom is in the 2-4 he's expecting pass, is he not?? Which he expects 100% of the time... an opponent running the ball is a complete shock to that idiot.

As for the 3-3, yes that should be our nickel... nothing's changed there. The hulabalu is about acquiring players that can play in at 3-4/Elephant base.

As of now, we have 1 ILB to play in that base. Yes Matthews can move inside, but I'd prefer to keep him outside. Given the way the draft is going - dunderdummy might have no choice but to move Clay inside in the base, if for no other reason than we don't have any other competent players to put in there.


SO IN SUMMARY.....TT is hanging Dom out to dry ??

[3irty1]

Ted pretty much sucks at defense, lol.... as the whole Packers organization does ;)

As for the 2-4, with the players we have... it would have to have Richardson at ILB. Afterall, if Dom is in the 2-4 he's expecting pass, is he not?? Which he expects 100% of the time... an opponent running the ball is a complete shock to that idiot.

As for the 3-3, yes that should be our nickel... nothing's changed there. The hulabalu is about acquiring players that can play in at 3-4/Elephant base.

As of now, we have 1 ILB to play in that base. Yes Matthews can move inside, but I'd prefer to keep him outside. Given the way the draft is going - dunderdummy might have no choice but to move Clay inside in the base, if for no other reason than we don't have any other competent players to put in there.

I don't think we're going to resort to regular Clay inside without some injuries. Tons of players left in the draft that can make the low bar for Packers starting ILB. Probably a few after the draft.

[Bretsky]

The nightmare continues, lol...

Pretty sure we're going to draft a 165 lbs Safety next, lol...

The NFFL... The National Flag Football League ;)



KARL DAVIS ?
GRADY JARRETT ?
TREY FLOWERS ?
JACOREY SHEPHERD
PAUL DAWSON ?


SHEPHERD would be funny.........3 rounds....3 CB's

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 8m8 minutes ago
If the #Packers didn't take Rollins, good chance the #Colts would have three picks later. Worked the corner out last week, Pagano liked him.

[Bretsky]

I predict OL

WIST....GIVE US FOUR YOU LIKE FOR THIS PICK

[wist43]

Hicks just went... I really liked him :(

[pbmax]

I don't think we're going to resort to regular Clay inside without some injuries. Tons of players left in the draft that can make the low bar for Packers starting ILB. Probably a few after the draft.

But do you want to start that player over Neal or Perry at OLB?

[wist43]

I predict OL

WIST....GIVE US FOUR YOU LIKE FOR THIS PICK

Clemmings is still there isn't he??

[Carolina_Packer]

Harder to be a good DB than to be a respectable ILB?

If you draft guys like Randall and Rollins, they have some versatility. If you draft an ILB too high and they don't play well, where do you put them? Special teams?

[Bretsky]

There goes a TE

[Maxie the Taxi]

KARL DAVIS ?
TREY FLOWERS ?
JACOREY SHEPHERD
PAUL DAWSON ?


SHEPHERD would be funny.........3 rounds....3 CB's

I'm surprised Davis is still undrafted. Dawson may still be available because he's got coachability problems. Jacorey Shepherd is one of my favorites.

A late round thumper ILB ... I like Jeff Luc. Guy is a HITTER and a turnover machine.

[3irty1]

I predict OL

WIST....GIVE US FOUR YOU LIKE FOR THIS PICK

Our 8th OL? Inactive on most game days?

[Bretsky]

Clemmings is still there isn't he??

YES>..you want a OT ?

[Bretsky]

Our 8th OL? Inactive on most game days?

I predicted OL because that is what would piss me off the most cause we don't need one

[pbmax]

Best remaining



RK PLAYER POS. SCHOOL
18 LA'EL COLLINS OT LSU
50 T.J. CLEMMINGS OT PITTSBURGH
53 CARL DAVIS DT IOWA
54 DANIELLE HUNTER DE LSU
58 RASHAD GREENE WR FLORIDA STATE
60 GRADY JARRETT DT CLEMSON
63 BRETT HUNDLEY QB UCLA
65 JAY AJAYI RB BOISE STATE
66 SAMMIE COATES WR AUBURN
67 MICHAEL BENNETT DT OHIO STATE
73 BRYCE PETTY QB BAYLOR
75 DAVID JOHNSON RB NORTHERN IOWA
77 ADRIAN AMOS FS PENN STATE
78 TRE' JACKSON OG FLORIDA STATE
79 XAVIER COOPER DT WASHINGTON STATE

[wist43]

SO IN SUMMARY.....TT is hanging Dom out to dry ??

No, I don't think that at all... I think they are of the same mindset, i.e. it is a passing league, stopping the run is incidental to the big picture, and playing small all-around is the best approach to stopping the pass.

As a result, we routinely get run over, and if we don't get turnvovers, we get the living hell beat out of us.

It's the style of play the Packers as an organization prefer. I don't get it, but that's who they are.

[pbmax]

I predicted OL because that is what would piss me off the most cause we don't need one

Who is your backup OT?

[wist43]

YES>..you want a OT ?

No... I just think TT and his BPA approach - position be damned... he'd rather have a talented guy inactive than a less talented guy active.

[pbmax]

Barclay coming off injury. Tretter did not look like a Tackle.

[3irty1]

But do you want to start that player over Neal or Perry at OLB?

I like the SB Giants/2013 Seahawks school of a rotation of studs at pass rusher. ILB is a different story.

I'm ok with a ILB by committee. By that I mean a group of guys who are always on the verge of suspension for distastefully late hits and needless violence. And tons of steroids.

[red]

GIVE ABOUT FOUR LB'S WE WOULD BE OK WITH

TED will draft a OL for sure...but let's give it a try

i don't think there is 4 draftable ILB's left

dawson is a baller but has major warts

jones from MSU might be ok, but nothing special some guys like wilson from georgia

its a bad draft class because there is so few of them, and its a massive drop from the top 4 or 5 to the rest

i've been saying for months we needed to be active in free agency or trading to improve the spot because its a massive gamble hoping that 1 of those few guys will be there when we draft

course the beauty was they were all there, but ted outsmarted himself

[RashanGary]

Wist, it's a passing league. 2-4 is the new 3-4. Damarious Randall is the new Ray Lewis. Shit, we could line up in the ole psycho package with no lineman and get it rammed down our throats like a violent porn throat fucking and still win games. No fear, Wist. No fear!!!

[Bretsky]

Who is your backup OT?

Tretter
Barclay

[wist43]

Maybe this could be Jesse James??

[pbmax]

I like the SB Giants/2013 Seahawks school of a rotation of studs at pass rusher. ILB is a different story.

I'm ok with a ILB by committee. By that I mean a group of guys who are always on the verge of suspension for distastefully late hits and needless violence. And tons of steroids.

:D

[wist43]

Wist, it's a passing league. 2-4 is the new 3-4. Damarious Randall is the new Ray Lewis. Shit, we could line up in the ole psycho package with no lineman and get it rammed down our throats like a violent porn throat fucking and still win games. No fear, Wist. No fear!!!

Too fucking funny guy, LOL... God love ya!!!

[Carolina_Packer]

No, I don't think that at all... I think they are of the same mindset, i.e. it is a passing league, stopping the run is incidental to the big picture, and playing small all-around is the best approach to stopping the pass.

As a result, we routinely get run over, and if we don't get turnvovers, we get the living hell beat out of us.

It's the style of play the Packers as an organization prefer. I don't get it, but that's who they are.

Or, they don't view any/many of the ILB's as 3 down guys.

[Bretsky]

SAMMIE COATES......I'D be down for this pick round 3

[red]

carl davis had a really good senior bowl

i think thats the only thing TT cares about

[Bretsky]

f'ckin Ravens

[red]

nvm

[Bretsky]

carl davis had a really good senior bowl

i think thats the only thing TT cares about


RAVENS are our THORN

I wanted Max Williams too :)

Mosley last yr

[red]

I like the SB Giants/2013 Seahawks school of a rotation of studs at pass rusher. ILB is a different story.

I'm ok with a ILB by committee. By that I mean a group of guys who are always on the verge of suspension for distastefully late hits and needless violence. And tons of steroids.

so, paul dawson?

[pittstang5]

Maybe this could be Jesse James??

Way too high

[wist43]

Or, they don't view any/many of the ILB's as 3 down guys.

You gotta stop the run on some downs - don't you??

The Packers obviously don't think so... but call be 'old school', I still think running the ball is part of the game ;)

[Bretsky]

I like the UCLA qb....just not for GB

[Rastak]

Vikings go with three defensive picks. CB, ILB, DE.

A little surprised but I like what Zimmer can do with some new pieces.

[wist43]

Way too high

And the 1st wasn't too high for a foo-foo panty wearer like Randall??

[call_me_ishmael]

DANIELLE HUNTER DANIELLE HUNTER DANIELLE HUNTER DANIELLE HUNTER

[wist43]

Vikings go with three defensive picks. CB, ILB, DE.

A little surprised but I like what Zimmer can do with some new pieces.

Take heart Ras... at least your team believes in playing defense.

[red]

just pick dawson so i can sleep tonight

[Bretsky]

OOPS....Sammie Coates was selected

[pbmax]

RAVENS are our THORN

I wanted Max Williams too :)

Mosley last yr

There is a reason they are always in front of the Packers you know.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Vikings go with three defensive picks. CB, ILB, DE.

A little surprised but I like what Zimmer can do with some new pieces.

The last guy they drafted is a freak, beast or bust type.

[Bretsky]

just pick dawson so i can sleep tonight

no f'ckin way dude

It's OL or a 3rd CB :)

[RashanGary]

the Packers definitely seem to value that ever important nickle back position over the starting linebacker spot. We do have a 2-4-5 base. Makes sense, really.

[pittstang5]

And the 1st wasn't too high for a foo-foo panty wearer like Randall??

I'm not a fan of the pick, but he went in the range I thought he could go in.

[Bretsky]

There is a reason they are always in front of the Packers you know.

Don't overthink this; your answer is in two words

Aaron Rodgers

[pbmax]

the Packers definitely seem to value that ever important nickle back position over the starting linebacker spot. We do have a 2-4-5 base. Makes sense, really.

Still need 2 ILB though. Lotta draft left though.

[Packgator]

There is a reason they are always in front of the Packers you know.

+++

[Bretsky]

holy shit we have a TE run

[pbmax]

Don't overthink this; your answer is in two words

Aaron Rodgers

Yes, but also the entire offense is better than the Ravens. Name the dominant Ravens receivers that have been helping Flacco.

[wist43]

the Packers definitely seem to value that ever important nickle back position over the starting linebacker spot. We do have a 2-4-5 base. Makes sense, really.

2-4-5 doesn't make any sense at all, lol... the only team in the league that has ever played as a base was dunderdummy's panty wearers!!!

And we posted one of the worst defensive seasons in league history - it was embarrassing, lol...

[call_me_ishmael]

Damnit, the Vikings stole DANIELLE HUNTER from us.

[3irty1]

If you were casting for the part of Adonis in a movie, you couldn't do much better than Danielle Hunter.

[Carolina_Packer]

You gotta stop the run on some downs - don't you??

The Packers obviously don't think so... but call be 'old school', I still think running the ball is part of the game ;)

You're absolutely right. I'm trying to figure it out too. If you don't sign FA's and you mainly draft and develop, it's time to grab someone to make an impact inside. My point was simply that TT and Co. might have the mindset that whoever they pick has to be able to stay on the field on 3rd down, and have versatility, and not just be a run stuffer. You need at least one sideline to sideline chase guy.

[Bretsky]

PACKERS UP................PREDICTIONS ???

[RashanGary]

When the Packers pick, instead of saying "pick is in" along the bottom of the screen, it's going to say, "Dick is in" and its going to cut to a clip of TT fucking Packer fans in the ass.

[red]

no f'ckin way dude

It's OL or a 3rd CB :)

that would take another beer to fall asleep

[wist43]

Clemmings

[Bretsky]

WR !!!!!!

[wist43]

Montgomery, WR, lol...

Too fucking funny!!!

[pbmax]

Tom Oates ‏@TomOatesWSJ 10s11 seconds ago
#Packers' third-round pick is wide receiver/kick returner Ty Montgomery of Stanford.

[King Friday]

LMAO

A WR. Figures.

[red]

A WR?????????????????

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME????????

where the fuck is he gonna find a roster spot?

unfucking real

FUCK YOU TED

[Maxie the Taxi]

Montgomery is a hell of a KR

[Bretsky]

CLASSIC TEDDY

[3irty1]

Damn the Vikings are having a killer draft. It pays to suck.

[smuggler]

Dawson fell to us do you guys think we will take him?

[wist43]

Maybe he can play ILB?? :)

[smuggler]

Fuck... :/

[run pMc]

What? Who?

[wist43]

Gonna make a whiskey run, lol... back in a few :)

[red]

maybe we can trade one of our 50 wr's for an ILB

[Bretsky]

TT will never get accused of not trying to get AROD weapons.....well...except the junk we have at TE

[Maxie the Taxi]

re: Montgomery:

Scouts believe he can be a Pro Bowl returner. Scored four times over last two seasons as a returner. Strong personal character and considered an "accountable teammate" by coaching staff.

[Bretsky]

Dawson fell to us do you guys think we will take him?


no chance.........

[red]

can't even think outside the box and get a big WR

nooooooooooooooo

we draft a 5'11 wr with 4.55 speed with shitty hands

[red]

re: Montgomery:

great, he's gonna make some other team very happy after we have to cut him in preseason because we can only carry 5 wr's

[Maxie the Taxi]

Now the bad news:

Doesn't display natural wide receiver characteristics. Needs more than just polish with routes and must incorporate route diversity at some point. Averaged just 9.9 yards per catch in 2014. Extremely suspect hands with 16 drops and three fumbles over his last three seasons. Allows throws to get on top of him. Hands lack supple qualities and his catch radius is smaller than desired. His confidence has been questioned by scouting community. His body of work as a receiver hasn't matched his physical potential. Has had only one season of significant touchdown production. Tightly wound with scouts questioning if he's too muscled.

[Bretsky]

re: Montgomery:


accountable" well.....good.......hoping he's an awesome wide receiver cause the last guy TT drafted as a returner was named Cory Rodgers

[RashanGary]

The Dick is in. Ted Thompson just penetrated the still sore butt-hole of Packer Nation and selects Ty Montgomery, WR,. Montgomery is probably the least needed player in the entire draft and he's on our team. Yeah!!!

[Packgator]

re: Montgomery:

He is the drafts #1 rated kick returner

[3irty1]

I'd be a shame to not get a piece of the WR action in this draft. Seems kind of like the guys we already have though. I'd rather get some speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.

[red]

Now the bad news:

WTF?

[Bretsky]

we got a developmental guy in round 3; truth be told I like this pick a lot better than last year's round 3 pick

[red]

fuck this shit

i'm off

[MadScientist]

TT's board must have said either Montgomery or another CB.

[Bretsky]

I'd be a shame to not get a piece of the WR action in this draft. Seems kind of like the guys we already have though. I'd rather get some speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.

Coats would have been great with that pick
I too was hoping for blazing speed or some serious height for a jump ball

ESPN showed some highlights and commented how they like the location he's going to because he won't need to play right away and he can learn from the WR's w/o any need to immediately contribute.

Not really what fans love to hear in round 3

[pbmax]

Misused in his senior season?

from Scout.com

Still, he has the leg drive to break arm tackles, but for a player of his size and speed, using him on underneath routes this year wasted his talent level.

[pittstang5]

Now the bad news:

Doesn't sound like a TT WR pick.

[Bretsky]

RED RED RED

PAUL DAWSON IS OFF THE BOARD

[Rastak]

If you were casting for the part of Adonis in a movie, you couldn't do much better than Danielle Hunter. I know but can the dude play?

[run pMc]

Well, Boykin left and Abbrederis probably got a concussion just watching the draft.
So I'm seeing this guy listed as 6-2, 6-0, and 5-11.
Looks like he'll be used on KR, bubble-screens and little dump-offs for YAC. They didn't really have anyone to return kicks anyway, with D.Harris gone.

[red]

:-x

[3irty1]

I wonder if this guy is yet another project. Seems like a RB skillset trying to play WR. Like Cordarrelle Patterson.

[Rastak]

20. TY MONTGOMERY | Stanford 5117|221 lbs|4SR Dallas, Texas (St. Mark’s HS) 1/22/1993 (age 22) #7
GRADE 4th-5th Round 2012
MEASUREABLES Arm: 31 | Hand: 10 1/8 | Wingspan: 77 2013: (14/12) 61/958/15.7/10
COMBINE 40-YD: 4.55 | 10-YD: 1.59 | 20-YD: 2.64 | VJ: 40 1/2 | BJ: 10’01” | SS: 4.21 | 3C: 6.97 | LS: 11.57 2014: (11/11) 61/604/9.9/3
PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.50 | 10-YD: 1.57 | 20-YD: 2.63


BACKGROUND: A four-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Ty Montgomery committed to Stanford prior to his junior year, passing up offers from UCLA, California and several others. He served mostly as a sub-package wide receiver during his freshman and sophomore seasons, combining for 50 catches and 563 yards, while serving as the primary kickoff return man. Montgomery stepped into a full-time starter role as a junior in 2013 and had his best season with 61 receptions for 958 yards and 10 receiving scores, recording 2,208 all-purpose yardage (third-best in school history). He was also an All-American return man and finished second in the nation in kick return average (30.3) and kick return scores (2). Montgomery matched his career-best in catches (61) as a senior in 2014, earning Second Team AllPac 12 honors as a kick return and Honorable Mention honors as a wide receiver. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


STRENGTHS: Coordinated athlete with smooth acceleration and long-striding speed…flexible ankles and rubber joints to make fluid cuts and weave through traffic, displaying good quickness at the top of his routes to create room to work…above average vision and improved feel for what’s around him, anticipating lanes well and usually finding the crease quickly…passes the eye test with very good muscle definition – well conditioned and puts in the time in the weight room…outstanding balance and body strength for the position to keep his feet through contact and power through…deceptive strength as a ballcarrier and will lower his pads at the contact point, delivering blows with forward lean and keeping his momentum…not easy to bring down with a physical stiff arm…not overly sudden, but patient before turning on the jets…smooth body control to adjust at the last minute and make acrobatic receptions away from his body without breaking stride…physical blocker…lined up inside and outside at wide receiver in college and offers versatility offense – dangerous on end-arounds and at running back, also experienced taking snaps as the wildcat quarterback…impact potential on special teams with good experience as returner on both punts (13/238/18.3/2) and kickoffs (91/2,493/27.4/3)…coaches speak highly of his “quiet” leadership and strong football character on the practice field and in the weight room – accountable and intelligent off the field as well.


WEAKNESSES: Bulky frame, which causes some rigid movements…sometimes too patient and plays hesitant when the hole isn’t immediately there…not a natural hands catcher and fights the ball often with too many double-catches and focus drops – thinking too much about what’s happening around him or what his next move will be and needs to be more reliable finishing at the catch point…lacks savvy at the position and not a detailed pass-catcher, who routinely sets up and fools defenders with subtleties…a lot of comeback and shorter routes for catch-and-go opportunities on his game film and needs to develop his route tree…holds the ball too loose and needs to improve his ball security…needs to be more aggressive in contested situations and when finishing runs, escaping out of bounds too often…confidence seems to waver after mistakes…durability concerns with several past injuries including a torn MCL in 2012 (missed three games) and a sprained right shoulder in Nov. 2014 that caused him to miss the final two games of his career.


SUMMARY: Arguably the best return man in this draft class, Montgomery averaged 27.4 yards per kick return and 18.3 yards per punt return at Stanford, but he is still developing at the wide receiver position and needs work with his routes and finishing ability. He isn’t as effective as his measureables would suggest and he lacks sudden or slippery burst, but he has impressive athleticism and is able to be elusive with his toughness and acceleration. Although not yet finely-tuned at the receiver position, he is an all-purpose demon with the potential to impact the game in several ways – not the guy you want as the feature weapon of the offense. Montgomery has the NFL ceiling to be a versatile “Z” receiver, but he has a low NFL floor as well – projects as a Josh Cribbs-type of talent right now, as both a receiver and return man.

[Bretsky]

I wonder if this guy is yet another project. Seems like a RB skillset trying to play WR. Like Cordarrelle Patterson.



He is a project. ESPN showed highlights; to me he doesn't look that fast and shifty on returns.

ESPN liked the pick because he's going to a spot where he can develop and can sit back on the bench and learn from some of the best. He's a project.

[pbmax]

Day 2 Teddy Presser

Packer Report @PackerReport · 8m 8 minutes ago
Thompson on Rollins: You watch him play, you watch his ball skills. He's a pretty natural football player.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 7m 7 minutes ago
Strong runner, instinctive quickness. Very strong. Thompson says of Montgomery.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 6m 6 minutes ago
Montgomery's return value was a factor in drafting him but not an overriding factor.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 5m 5 minutes ago
Thompson on State of the ILBs: "I think it's fine" right now. Obviously being coy. Has confidence in the "fellas that we have."

Packer Report @PackerReport · 4m 4 minutes ago
"This thing's a long way from being put to bed," Thompson said of the ILB class and roster in general.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 3m 3 minutes ago
TT on Montgomery. Dynamic player, strong hands, versatile. A lot of return "cred" to him. "He's a pretty good fit for what we try to do."

[pbmax]

Packer Report @PackerReport · 13s 13 seconds ago
West Coast scout Sam Seale on Montgomery: "A Bigger Cobb" Lined up all over field.

[Bretsky]

THOMPSON ON ILB'S

I THINK IT"S FINE

[pbmax]

Well, Boykin left and Abbrederis probably got a concussion just watching the draft.
So I'm seeing this guy listed as 6-2, 6-0, and 5-11.
Looks like he'll be used on KR, bubble-screens and little dump-offs for YAC. They didn't really have anyone to return kicks anyway, with D.Harris gone.

He is 5' 11-7/8"

And I hope Magic just lays still until camp. :lol:

[3irty1]

He is a project. ESPN showed highlights; to me he doesn't look that fast and shifty on returns.

ESPN liked the pick because he's going to a spot where he can develop and can sit back on the bench and learn from some of the best. He's a project.

No I mean another position change project. This guy is nothing like your normal Ted WR. Ted loves guys who run routes and catch.

[pbmax]

Now the bad news:

Is 5 drops and 1 fumble per season truly suspect?

[RashanGary]

THOMPSON ON ILB'S

I THINK IT"S FINE


The dick is in!!

[Bretsky]

Is 5 drops and 1 fumble per season truly suspect?


ON Green Bay it's a Tight End's work for every 25 receptions

[pbmax]

ON Green Bay it's a Tight End's work for every 25 receptions

Seriously, I think Driver was worse.

[woodbuck27]

In Ted we trust, right ?

Ted knows his men.

[pbmax]

No I mean another position change project. This guy is nothing like your normal Ted WR. Ted loves guys who run routes and catch.

Maybe he is there to take some pressure off Cobb. Returns AND runs out of backfield in the pistol they ran with Cobb. He had a bunch of runs in college.

[Pugger]

Well, Boykin left and Abbrederis probably got a concussion just watching the draft.
So I'm seeing this guy listed as 6-2, 6-0, and 5-11.
Looks like he'll be used on KR, bubble-screens and little dump-offs for YAC. They didn't really have anyone to return kicks anyway, with D.Harris gone.

This draft of ours was too damn boring for anyone to get excited about let alone a concussion. I think I'll skip tomorrow's picks all together and head for the pool and then watch the Derby.