Ty Montgomery, 2015 Third Round Pick

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Tom Oates ‏@TomOatesWSJ 1m1 minute ago
#Packers' third-round pick is wide receiver/kick returner Ty Montgomery of Stanford.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 41s41 seconds ago
Ty Montgomery entered the 2014 season as one of top-rated WR prospects. Bad year but big-time returner

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 40s40 seconds ago
And the #Packers select.... WR Ty Montgomery out of Stanford in the third round. WR-rich draft. Thompson goes receiver.

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Scout.com a little down on this pick

TY MONTGOMERY Stanford
POSITION WR
HEIGHT/WEIGHT 6'0"/221
NO. 7
VERIFIED 40 TIME 4.55
COLLEGEStanford
HS St. Mark's School of Texas
HOME Dallas, TX

SCOUT RANK 182
POSITION RANK 26


BIO
Montgomery started 26-of-49 games at Stanford – 22 at flanker and four as a split end during his freshman season…Caught 172 passes for 2,125 yards (12.35 ypc) with fifteen touchdowns…During his last three seasons, he successfully pulled down 148-of-238 passes targeted to him (62.18)…Added 334 yards and four touchdowns on 39 carries (8.56 ypc)…Returned 91 kicks for 2,493 yards (27.4 avg) and three touchdowns, adding 238 yards and a pair of scores on twelve punt returns (19.8 avg)…Amassed 5,226 all-purpose yards, an average of 106.65 yards per game.

EVALUATION
Even with his running back-sized frame, Montgomery shows good quickness, strength and hand usage to get off the snap and into his patterns. He might lack blazing speed, but compensates with good hip snap, balance and foot work in his route (still needs to execute crisper breaks, though). He has a smooth and fluid release off the line of scrimmage and is able to beat press coverage. He has the power to push through the jam with no hold-ups. He also shows the ability to be elusive at the line and consistently escapes to get into his routes

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Scout's Dave-Te Thomas breaks down Stanford wide receiver Ty Montgomery.

http://profootball.scout.com/story/1531650-ty-montgomery-player-evaluation?s=127

The 2014 campaign was not the All-World type of season that many predicted Ty Montgomery would have before the year began. One of the more electrifying receivers in this draft class entering his senior year, he’s had a few bumps and bruises that seem to linger more than most, leaving some scouts to wonder if he has the “thick skin” needed to toughen up and play through minor dings.

Called a Dez Bryant type, the Cardinal receiver did not show that aggressive nature combating for jump balls in 2014 that he did in the past. He is a physical blocker with nimble footwork and explosive acceleration, but is not as well-versed as a route runner as advertised. Still, he has the leg drive to break arm tackles, but for a player of his size and speed, using him on underneath routes this year wasted his talent level.

The 2013 consensus All-American became only the third player in school history to gain over 2,000 all-purpose yards (2,208 last year) and just the second Cardinal to amass over 1,000 yards via kickoff returns (second in the nation with 1,091 yards and a 30.3-yard average). He scored fourteen times, twice on reverses, two more times on returns and hauled in over one-third of the team’s receptions (61) that produced ten more touchdowns.

This season, he failed to reach 100 yards receiving in any game, yet, he led the team with 61 receptions, but for only a 9.9-yard average. He gained 144 yards on 23 carries, averaged 25.2 yards on 17 kickoff returns and 19.8 yards on 12 punt ru nbacks. He is a physical blocker with nimble footwork and explosive acceleration. He’s well-versed as a route runner, but has had his most success on vertical routes. He has the leg drive to break arm tackles, but for a player of his size and speed, using him on underneath routes this year wasted his talent level.

That adequate season, coupled with whispers regarding his penchant for lingering with minor bruises could see him slip all the way into the fourth or fifth round picture, a far fall for a player once touted as the best senior receiver in this draft prior to the 2014 season and was called a certain first round pick then.

Montgomery has a well developed frame with good quickness and balance, but his rock-solid frame makes him appear much more suited for running chores than pass catching duties. He has the arm length, upper body strength and solid muscle development to defeat the press and a tight midsection and hips. He has a good bubble, tapered thighs and even has some room left on his frame for additional growth.

Montgomery shows good quickness and a burst of speed in his play. He is a quick-handed receiver with good body control, change-of-direction agility and explosion in his RAC, but must be more alert to situations on the field, as he tends to run right into spots, resulting in him being tackled for losses six times and had four other catches where he was stopped for no gain.

The Cardinal displays very good athletic ability on the field, especially on special teams, but must do a better job of protecting the ball, as all three of his fumbles last season led to the opponent eventually scoring from those turnovers. A well-built athlete, he has lacks blazing speed, but accelerates nicely with his compact stride, which allows him to generate burst on the move, evident by his success returning kicks for touchdowns. He shows very good balance, hip snap and torso flexibility.

Even with his running back-sized frame, Montgomery shows good quickness, strength and hand usage to get off the snap and into his patterns. He might lack blazing speed, but compensates with good hip snap, balance and foot work in his route (still needs to execute crisper breaks, though). He has a smooth and fluid release off the line of scrimmage and is able to beat press coverage. He has the power to push through the jam with no hold-ups. He also shows the ability to be elusive at the line and consistently escapes to get into his routes.

Montgomery has displayed very good vertical acceleration on deep routes. He has enough body control to get open and adjust quickly to the short throws and uncover. He does not have great timed speed, but does show the extra gear needed to get to the ball and run away from the slower defenders. He gets a good push working up field and while he does rely more on his athletic ability, he is working on running more precise routes.

The Cardinal receiver needs to generate sharper cuts on intermediate routes and run with little gather in and out of his breaks, but is showing improvement. He has the ability to use his frame when shielding defenders and is becoming a nice threat with his aggressive running style, as he has the balance to take the quick slants and turn up field without breaking stride.

Montgomery has a decent short area burst to gain separation after pulling in the slants or screens. He is starting to develop the eyes needed to locate the soft spots in the zone. He sees the ball in flight and shows the body flexibility and vision to look the ball in. He is able to generate better acceleration working in the short-to-intermediate areas.
The senior he has the ability to separate from defenders with his burst. He seems quicker into his cuts rather than out, but is effective either way. He needs to do a better job with his hand placement, as his arms drop some just before his break point, but that hitch is easily correctable.

Montgomery has great torso flexibility. He can adjust to off-target throws or settling down in the zone. He extends and plucks the pass at the high point with good effectiveness, but mysteriously lost more jump ball battles than he won last year (defenders batted away 14 targeted throws). He has shown flashes of being able to adjust to high and low balls well, displaying that superb leaping ability that made him one of the top returners in the country before his recent injury issues. He has to do a better job of controlling his body to catch, as he only has adequate drift.

Montgomery displays good hands, as he is not really a body catcher, but will use his frame at times to absorb the ball (leads to more than a few drops of easy throws). He has the ability to extend with his hands, but will still trap the ball some. On returns, he shows very good hand/eye coordination with placement, but must protect the sphere better as he had fumble issues last season.

He likes to compete for jump balls, especially when he knows he will have to attack it with defenders draped all over him, but his timing was off last season, leading to a high amount of tosses batted away from him (14). He has the scoop-and-reach ability to make the shoe-string grab and has only fumbled once on 188 returns, proving he has valid ball security skills.

Montgomery’s experience on the special teams came in handy when generating blocking skills as a receiver. He is aggressive stalking second level defenders and works hard to impact the opponent along the edge to spring the ball carrier for positive yardage.

Ty Montgomery Scouting Combine measurables

6-0/221 (4.55 forty)
31-inch arm length
9-inch hands
10 1/8-reps
40.5-inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump
6.97 3 cone drill
4.21 20 yard shuttle

[King Friday]

Clearly, Thompson is damned if he is going to allow another onside kick to be recovered by an opponent. He's drafting a new all-hands team.

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Clearly, Thompson is damned if he is going to allow another onside kick to be recovered by an opponent. He's drafting a new all-hands team.

Except his hands, as a WR anyway, aren't good.

[red]

too bad this guy has shity hands and concentration issues

[King Friday]

Except his hands, as a WR anyway, aren't good.

They are apparently good enough to be a kick returner.

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Another Senior Bowl participant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD-CJC2UsAATklq.jpg

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They are apparently good enough to be a kick returner.

Yeah, but he had a lot of drops. Hester was a returner too. Catching a thrown ball in traffic and returns are two really different things.

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Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 12m12 minutes ago
In 2013, he caught 61 or 958. In 2014 he caught 61 for 604.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 13m13 minutes ago
Montgomery in 2014. Just 9.9 per catch but 25.2 on kickoff returns and a whopping 19.8 on punts with two touchdowns.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 12m12 minutes ago
He's got big hands. Didn't run lightning fast but 40.5 inch vertical

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 8m8 minutes ago
Montgomery's return skills likely big factor in Packers drafting him, averaged 27.4 yds on 91 KORs & 19.8 yds on 12 punt returns in career

[King Friday]

Yeah, but he had a lot of drops. Hester was a returner too. Catching a thrown ball in traffic and returns are two really different things.

He's not making this roster as a capable receiver...he's a returner / special teamer. The Packers aren't sticking Cobb back there anymore apparently, which is a good thing.

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I wonder if the new Special Teams coach M McCarthy asked for some help with the return game after reviewing film and throwing up for 2 straight days.

[Bretsky]

like him more than the junk we drafted last year in round 3.....but disappointed in pick overall

[King Friday]

He's better than a punter, so we have that going for us...which is nice.

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Packer Report @PackerReport · 13s 13 seconds ago
West Coast scout Sam Seale on Montgomery: "A Bigger Cobb" Lined up all over field.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 2m 2 minutes ago
WR production was down because of poor quarterback play, Seale said. Didn't run the ball as well either. Missed two games.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 1m 1 minute ago
Was on Seale's radar for years since his son plays there (his son plays RB and is in this draft class)

Packer Report @PackerReport · 23s 24 seconds ago
Seale again calls Montgomery a "bigger Randall." Can line him up anywhere.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 40s 41 seconds ago
Montgomery can really elevate the special teams from Day 1, Seale said.

[RashanGary]

This guy sounds like a total Zero on offense. So ted just used a third round pick on a special teams player. Thats a luxury pick right there. The dick is in :(

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Not excited about the 3rd round unless he really is another Cobb. But I am happy about the returner. Its been a missing aspect of the team for about 2 decades now.

Since Allen Rossum, the World's Greatest Dime Back and Returner, who Sherm should never have let get away.

[Pugger]

like him more than the junk we drafted last year in round 3.....but disappointed in pick overall

This entire draft so far this year has been a real yawner. :-|

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 5m5 minutes ago
Seale made it clear having watched most of Stanford's games (his son is there) he believes the QB was the issue on Montgomery WR production.

Jersey Al - ALLGBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 2m2 minutes ago
Interesting, Montgomery has lined up at every receiver position, running back and even wildcat QB. #Packers

[Patler]

Should be an interesting competition next year for kick and punt return duties between Montgomery, Abbrederis, Janis and Hyde.

[RashanGary]

Ty Montgomery is friends with Sam Seale's son. He's such an unusual pick for Ted Thompson. A 3rd round pick for a guy who's said to have problems catching the ball and hanging onto it. Ted has always put a premium on receivers who catch the ball well. When I hear Ted talking about "football players" I hear him talking about defensive players who rush the passer well and stop the run well and tackle well and cover well and get turn overs. I hear him talking about offensive players who block well and catch well and throw well...... A pass catcher who struggle's catching passes? That's anti-ted. It really is.

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Packer Report @PackerReport · 9m 9 minutes ago
Montgomery calls comparisons to Cobb "very flattering"

Packer Report @PackerReport · 8m 8 minutes ago
Montgomery had no idea Packers were interested.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 6m 6 minutes ago
YAC is Montgomery's best asset, he said. Needs to improve his quickness.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 4m 4 minutes ago
Montgomery said there were teams that considered him a RB. Can't put number on it though.

[pbmax]

Ty Montgomery is friends with Sam Seale's son. He's such an unusual pick for Ted Thompson. A 3rd round pick for a guy who's said to have problems catching the ball and hanging onto it. Ted has always put a premium on receivers who catch the ball well. When I hear Ted talking about "football players" I hear him talking about defensive players who rush the passer well and stop the run well and tackle well and cover well and get turn overs. I hear him talking about offensive players who block well and catch well and throw well...... A pass catcher who struggle's catching....That's anti-ted. It really is.

Be careful with the drops. 16 drops in 3 years. It might not be the huge deal the scouting report Maxie had made it out to be. We'll see.

[wist43]

Packer Report @PackerReport · 13s 13 seconds ago
West Coast scout Sam Seale on Montgomery: "A Bigger Cobb" Lined up all over field.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 2m 2 minutes ago
WR production was down because of poor quarterback play, Seale said. Didn't run the ball as well either. Missed two games.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 1m 1 minute ago
Was on Seale's radar for years since his son plays there (his son plays RB and is in this draft class)

Packer Report @PackerReport · 23s 24 seconds ago
Seale again calls Montgomery a "bigger Randall." Can line him up anywhere.

Packer Report @PackerReport · 40s 41 seconds ago
Montgomery can really elevate the special teams from Day 1, Seale said.

So we have Sam Seale to blame for this mess??

[Bretsky]

SILVERSTEIN----He's Randall Cobb w/o the receiving skills

[wist43]

This is a terrible pick...

Sounds like a favor to the kid out of being friends with Sam Seale's son...

Maybe the kid comes around in a few years - but you don't spend 3rd round picks on major projects; and you don't spend 1st round picks on foo-foo players.

Don't care who they pick next... just no fixing the mess that is the 1st and 3rd rounds of this draft. Just a complete mess.

[RashanGary]

I doubt he'll be a good WR. If he is a pro-bowl STs player, great, but what are the odds? Im not a fan of this pick.

[mraynrand]

I wonder if the new Special Teams coach M McCarthy asked for some help with the return game after reviewing film and throwing up for 2 straight days.

For sure. This kid looks halfway between Sterling and Freeman.

[mraynrand]

This is a terrible pick...

Sounds like a favor to the kid out of being friends with Sam Seale's son...

Maybe the kid comes around in a few years - but you don't spend 3rd round picks on major projects; and you don't spend 1st round picks on foo-foo players.

Don't care who they pick next... just no fixing the mess that is the 1st and 3rd rounds of this draft. Just a complete mess.

LOL. I enjoy the spectacle of your misery.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not a fan of this pick either, but hope the kid does well.

[call_me_ishmael]

Sounds sort of like a certain 3rd round pick from a few years back. #89.

[wist43]

LOL. I enjoy the spectacle of your misery.

We're in the same position we've been for years running - and it is the curse I've warned about since TT was hired, i.e. long term BPA, vs filling holes and winning now.

We got lucky - super lucky in '10... but now we're taking steps backward for the future - again - when the future should be now!!!

We're a worse football team today than we were when dunderdummy and stumpy stabbed us in the heart in the NFCC game. We're worse off today, and we weren't good enough then... so what is to celebrate??

Should we celebrate that Randall might be a good player in 3 years - 3 years in waiting while Clay declines, and Rodgers declines, and Jordy declines. Then 3 years from now we'll replace Jordy, and we'll be into year 15 of the TT regime with another good team that is not quite good enough??

The Randall pick was bad enough, but there can be no excuse for the Montgomery pick - just pure idiocy. Even if he pans out in a few years - he does nothing for us now, and the future should be now - not that ever elusive 3 years from now, and 3 years from now, and 3 years from...

I've had enough of TT and his tortoise approach - at some point you have to make a drive to win it all.

[smuggler]

How could we possibly be worse off today? Subtraction by addition? I'm skeptical of this pick, too, but we aren't any worse off for it.

[Bossman641]

Strange pick. I'm shaken by the last time TT drafted a WR who wasn't a natural WR.....Cory Rodgers. Let's hope Montgomery fares better.

[wist43]

How could we possibly be worse off today? Subtraction by addition? I'm skeptical of this pick, too, but we aren't any worse off for it.

How are we better as a team??

We couldn't stop the run most of last year, and the players we had on the roster tasked to do that are gone - with no replacements. Bradford?? The guy showed absolutely nothing - less than nothing last year.

Randall is a foo-foo player - soft doesn't begin to describe how weak a tackler he is - and we've been a terrible tackling team for years!!!

I like Rollins, but he is raw - very raw. We lost a good, phsyical, up and coming corner in House; and an experienced, decorated vet in Williams, and replaced them with a foo-foo, and a project.

Then the Montgomery pick?? Where to start?? We spent a 3rd round pick on a kick returner?? Can he play ILB?? Can he tackle??

Of course we're worse off than last year... the only hope we have of contending with the big boys now, is if they've regressed more than we have. I just can't think in those terms - but it's how TT operates.

[Patler]

In 2014 the Packers were 31st in kickoff returns, averaging 19.1. They were absolutely horrible. If Montgomery does nothing but give them a better than average lick return option, he will be a solid contributor. Reports seem to agree that he is a better than average prospect in kick returns.

[Striker]

In 2014 the Packers were 31st in kickoff returns, averaging 19.1. They were absolutely horrible. If Montgomery does nothing but give them a better than average lick return option, he will be a solid contributor. Reports seem to agree that he is a better than average prospect in kick returns.

It didn't help that Harris would constantly try to return the ball from the -6 and only get out to the 5 or 10.

But yes, I'd agree with this. Improving the KR game would be a boon and well worth the pick if he can become a consistent weapon back there.

Also, this Montgomery kid weighed in 10 pounds lighter than Lacy and has some power behind him. Could be a good compliment, especially in a 3rd down back/WR capacity.

[Bretsky]

Sounds sort of like a certain 3rd round pick from a few years back. #89.


Robert Ferguson was a second round pick......selected ahead of Chris Chambers from UW MADTOWN

[call_me_ishmael]

Robert Ferguson was a second round pick......selected ahead of Chris Chambers from UW MADTOWN

James Jones. Thick body, 6'1" ish, dropsies, built like an RB.

[smuggler]

Fergie was a Sherman pick, though.

[Bretsky]

OOPS.....honestly.....I think James Jones is way more developed than this guy. He needs time to figure out how to be a better WR. I'd be surprised if he helps our WR core much this year.
I do hope he excels at special teams.

[wist43]

Good new/Bad news... in watching the Arizona St vs Stanford tape from '13 - Montgomery looked good, but Randall looked like a foo-foo.

[3irty1]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.


Montgomery is a big guy. He is listed at being 6020 – 220. He is built like a running back, but he has very good overall athleticism, good speed and excellent body control. I would estimate his playing speed in the 4.48 range. He has a quick burst to go along with his top end speed.

Montgomery has been Stanford’s go-to offensive player for the last two seasons. He lines up both inside in the slot as well as outside. He also has lined up as a running back on a few plays. As a receiver, Montgomery is a good route runner who looks quicker than he is fast. He can get in and out of cuts and shows good ability to get separation. He is effective on shorter passes in space and then his run skills take over. Montgomery is an excellent runner who can make defenders miss and has the strength to get yards after contact.

While he is best as a short to mid-range receiver, he can and does get deep, but lacks the top end speed to be a consistent deep threat. He has very good hands and will compete for the ball in traffic.
As a returner, Montgomery does an excellent job tracking the ball, has very good hands and can consistently make the first defender miss. With his run skills, he is a threat to go the distance on any return.

Overall, what Montgomery times at the Combine will have a lot to do with where he gets drafted. He has the skill set to start early in his career with the slot receiver being his best position. He should have no problem playing outside either. His return skills are such that he can be a No. 1 returner for most teams in the league.

If Montgomery times well, I can see him being drafted as high as the second round and I doubt he slides past the third.



Now that sounds like a Ted WR. Exploading out of cuts, running good routes, soft hands, and YAC.

Even if he sucks at everything but being a returner, this is a nice pick. Too long our definition of a good returner has been "guy who won't put the ball on the ground and lose you the game."

[Maxie the Taxi]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.

That's why I MUST trust TT and his staff. If I had a dime for every scouting report that contained contradictory info, I'd be a rich man. All TT and his staff do is watch film and evaluate talent. It's their profession. The scouting report BS is for us fans who usually don't know their ass from a hole in the ground but are convinced they do. [End of rant.:-)]

[Bretsky]

Good new/Bad news... in watching the Arizona St vs Stanford tape from '13 - Montgomery looked good, but Randall looked like a foo-foo.


I am fine with Randall; knowing who we got in the 2nd I wish we'd have went LB but we got two good ball cover guys IMO and TT probably felt desperate in a league that's pass happy with losing both House and Tramon

I'll take what we can get out of round 3; it will be more than last year's pick.

[denverYooper]

In 2014 the Packers were 31st in kickoff returns, averaging 19.1. They were absolutely horrible. If Montgomery does nothing but give them a better than average lick return option, he will be a solid contributor. Reports seem to agree that he is a better than average prospect in kick returns.

This. The Packers have been consistently poor on their starting field position differential.

[denverYooper]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.



Now that sounds like a Ted WR. Exploading out of cuts, running good routes, soft hands, and YAC.

Even if he sucks at everything but being a returner, this is a nice pick. Too long our definition of a good returner has been "guy who won't put the ball on the ground and lose you the game."

This writeup makes it sound like he'll be Cobb's insurance policy in addition to becoming a KR... the guy they can potentially run the same offense with if Cobb gets hurt. It's amazing how good guys can look with AR throwing them the ball, too :).

[Maxie the Taxi]

As usual, the more you watch film of this guy the better you feel about him. In fact, I think he's a REALLY good pick. He'll definitely help the return game (PR and KR) and he's a Packer-type of receiver, very physical after the catch and plays fast.

Honestly, I didn't pay attention to Montgomery pre-draft because of scouting reports saying he had bad hands. Now, watching his film, I can say that rap might be due to the fact that he reaches and makes contact with more passes than the average receiver. Many of his "drops" were in highly contested situations as well.

This guy will surprise a lot of fans and probably become a fan favorite by the time the season is halfway through.

[Carolina_Packer]

too bad this guy has shity hands and concentration issues

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

[pbmax]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.



Now that sounds like a Ted WR. Exploading out of cuts, running good routes, soft hands, and YAC.

Even if he sucks at everything but being a returner, this is a nice pick. Too long our definition of a good returner has been "guy who won't put the ball on the ground and lose you the game."

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

[Carolina_Packer]

Someone put up his measurables earlier in the thread. One of the things I read about him is that he is built like a running back. They hybrid theme of the Packers draft continues. It made me think of another guy who they likely hoped would be a good WR, but is ultimately going to be known for returns...Percy Harvin. This guy is taller and outweighs Harvin by about 18 lbs. Here is what I could compare. Apparently Harvin didn't do the 3 cone or 20 yard short shuttle at the combine. They said he did at his pro day, but I haven't found it.

Ty Montgomery
6-0/221 (4.55 forty)
31-inch arm length
9-inch hands
10 1/8-reps
40.5-inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump
6.97 3 cone drill
4.21 20 yard shuttle

Percy Harvin
5-11/192 (4.39 forty)
31 ⅝-inch arm length
9 ⅜ -inch hands
19 reps
37 ½ -inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump

Harvin is shorter and lighter and faster
Montgomery jumps higher, but is not as strong

Montgomery has to have a better head on his shoulders. Bench press deficiency and two tenths of a second difference in 40 times aside, if this kid can make people miss and is magic with the ball in his hands and can change field position in a hurry, I'm for him. Besides, during a return, when have they ever stopped the play to have a bench press contents?

The Packers have been pedestrian to dog doo on returns the last few years. I know he gets dinged for his WR hands, but maybe, just maybe coaching can help him with that, if he's coachable.

[pbmax]

Mike Tanier, Bleacher Report*: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2449866-2015-nfl-draft-grades-round-2-and-3-report-cards/page/64


Strengths: Size, character, intelligence, after-catch capability

Weaknesses: Quickness-athleticism, lacks a true position

There’s a bare minimum of quickness and fluidity needed to play wide receiver in the NFL, and Montgomery straddles it. You can be well-built, bright, motivated and have a serviceable 40-yard-dash time, but if you don’t have the hips and change-of-direction capability, you ain’t gonna be open enough.

Stanford moved Montgomery from receiver to running back to Wildcat to get the ball in his hands, tossing him lots of screens when he was split wide. He’s a strong runner with the ball in his hands, but on routes he had a hard time separating from quality cornerbacks.

Montgomery also returns kicks; he’s not wiggly, but he catches the ball and moves forward. He may have a Josh Cribbs career as a return man and special teams ace who also plays some fourth receiver, though, Cribbs was far more elusive in his prime. At worst, Montgomery will be able to hang around roster bottoms and practice squads as the guy teams stash away when they need a capable multirole injury replacement.

The Packers probably see Montgomery as a special teamer and No. 4 receiver who can exploit some easy mismatches; with his bulk and willingness to throw his body around, Montgomery can almost be a surrogate quasi-tight end in some packages.

Grade: B-

I don't know about TE, but I do see him in the role Cobb was playing in the backfield last year.

[vince]

I haven't had a chance to watch these yet, but just watching a little, it looks like he doesn't usually go down easily. Big receiver who can be tough to slow down when he gets a head of steam going.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHQUgr05EVw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ahwrq3x-Us


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt5d3s6jtws


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNRkYwY7U9Y

[vince]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DC7FPWJq50

[Carolina_Packer]

Ty Montgomery from mockdraftable.com

Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 221
Arm Length: 31"
Hand Size: 10⅛"
10 Yard Dash: 1.59
40 Yard Dash: 4.55
Vertical Jump: 40½"
Broad Jump: 121"
3 Cone Drill: 6.97
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.21
60 Yard Shuttle: 11.57
Agility Score: 11.18

This is what PB posted earlier in the thread for measurables...

6-0/221 (4.55 forty)
31-inch arm length
9-inch hands
10 1/8-reps
40.5-inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump
6.97 3 cone drill
4.21 20 yard shuttle

Could the 10 1/8 be for hand size? The info from mockdraftable (a cool site I hadn't seen before) doesn't list his bench press reps, so that comparison to Harvins reps was erroneous.

[pbmax]

Thanks vince. I just PM'd you about those links. :D

[Maxie the Taxi]

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

Hey, pb, don't lay that one on me. Red posted this about Montgomery before I made the post in question:


can't even think outside the box and get a big WR

nooooooooooooooo

we draft a 5'11 wr with 4.55 speed with shitty hands

Now we all know that Red carries way more credibility and influence on this board than I do. So get your admonishments corrected, buddy. My reputation might never recover. :whaa::-)

[red]

i read where he dropped 10 pounds for his pro day and ran a 4.39

i sure as hell don't see that kind of speed in the clips


Montgomery had the flashiest Pro Day, clocking in at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash at 5-foot-11 (and 3/4") and 211 pounds according to Stanford's official athletic website.

[Packgator]

Phil Savage, Executive Director of Reese's Senior Bowl: http://www.seniorbowl.com/prospect-profiles-view.php?p=675

Ty will likely be a first round pick because of his combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away. He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage. With his frame, football demeanor and toughness, expect him to have a long, productive pro career.



The above was said just before (or early in) the 2014 season.

[red]

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

.

WEAKNESSES: Like a lot of players with a rocked-up build, doesn't possess ideal lateral agility and flexibility, making him a bit straight-linish. Average explosion out of his breaks, perhaps one of the reasons why most of his damage came on vertical or quick screens. Allows too many passes to get to his pads, resulting in some ugly drops in which the ball simply goes right through his fingers. Accelerates fluidly and impressively for a man of his build but there is some question as to his pure speed. Could be seen as a bit of a one-trick pony whose greatest value in the NFL could be as a fourth receiver and kick returner.

--Rob Rang


Extremely suspect hands with 16 drops and three fumbles over his last three seasons. Allows throws to get on top of him. Hands lack supple qualities and his catch radius is smaller than desired. His confidence has been questioned by scouting community.

he had 172 career catches and 16 drops. so about for every 10 catches he has a drop. i don't know how that compares with other guys, but it seems a bit high to me

[red]

heres another vid


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27vamk_tm7_tech

[Bretsky]

Mike Tanier, Bleacher Report*: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2449866-2015-nfl-draft-grades-round-2-and-3-report-cards/page/64



I don't know about TE, but I do see him in the role Cobb was playing in the backfield last year.



He may be the best TE on our roster right now :)

[red]

He may be the best TE on our roster right now :)

i say try him at ILB

http://stanforddaily.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/8C9A4890-ZF-0862-17065-1-007-600x480.jpg

[Bretsky]

i say try him at ILB

http://stanforddaily.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/8C9A4890-ZF-0862-17065-1-007-600x480.jpg


I'd start him over Brad Jones :) And while TE Crew

This dude's playing on both sides of the ball and on special teams !!

[mraynrand]

One thing I find interesting is the vertical concepts the Cardinal uses. I watched a number of their games and you can see it in the game versus Cal how they run a lot of multiple vertical patterns. Looks a lot like what GB was using in 2011 to scorch teams. Some analysis of MonTY suggest his weakness is route running (dropping hips, all that crap). Might be true, but might also not need that quite so much with Packer concepts. Perhaps MonTY will be the ultimate cover 2 breaker? All he Lacks is the height, but he has the speed and muscle to go up the middle.

[3irty1]

i say try him at ILB

http://stanforddaily.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/8C9A4890-ZF-0862-17065-1-007-600x480.jpg

Good lord. And this dude went to Stanford? I think we've got our explaination: Ted has a crush.

[SkinBasket]

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2014/1009/20141009__stanmontgomery~1_300.JPG

He's got a nice smile, so even if he drops balls like a bull in puberty, or James Jones, a lot of people here will love him.

[Badgerinmaine]

Should be an interesting competition next year for kick and punt return duties between Montgomery, Abbrederis, Janis and Hyde.

Unless someone gets hurt, it's hard to picture even a healthy Abbrederis making this team after this pick.

[red]

Unless someone gets hurt, it's hard to picture even a healthy Abbrederis making this team after this pick.

i think we could keep 6 or 7 wr's seeings how we're only going to have the 1 ILB on the roster

[Badgerinmaine]

i think we could keep 6 or 7 wr's seeings how we're only going to have the 1 ILB on the roster

Sure, a 3-1-7 defense. :mrgreen: Not a nickel or a dime, but a half dollar defensive scheme :cool:

[Brandon494]

Chris Harper 2.0?

[pbmax]

Hey, pb, don't lay that one on me. Red posted this about Montgomery before I made the post in question:



Now we all know that Red carries way more credibility and influence on this board than I do. So get your admonishments corrected, buddy. My reputation might never recover. :whaa::-)

Didn't you have a scouting report that had him for 16 drops and 3 fumbles in three years?

If not, my humblest apologies. And a retraction.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Didn't you have a scouting report that had him for 16 drops and 3 fumbles in three years?

If not, my humblest apologies. And a retraction.

Yeah, I did, but Red badmouthed Monty's hands first so the guilt falls on him.;-)

(Plus, I didn't write the report. I'm just the messenger.)

[run pMc]

Well the QB was pretty inconsistent for Stanford, so there's that. Maybe that impacts the drops. I don't think he's going to be anything more than a #3 WR and an above average KR. it's a nice depth pick, protects against injuries, and probably signals that GB will keep 6 WRs. This guy's better than Antonio Chatman.

Is Edgar Bennett still the WR coach? If so, he'll get this guy straightened out quickly.

[Brandon494]

Wonder what this pick means for Abby and Janis? We are loaded at the WR position now but I think this pick was more for a return man. Don't think they want Cobb and Hyde returning next season with both being so important to the team.

[Bretsky]

Unless someone gets hurt, it's hard to picture even a healthy Abbrederis making this team after this pick.

Not sure I agree

Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Abbrederis, Montgomery, Janis.........assuming knee recovers

[pbmax]

Wonder what this pick means for Abby and Janis? We are loaded at the WR position now but I think this pick was more for a return man. Don't think they want Cobb and Hyde returning next season with both being so important to the team.

Good point. Forgot that Hyde is nickel an basically a starter at this point.

[vince]

There's your next returner. If he turns out to be a difference maker there, he's well worth the pick.

On offense I think he'll be in the slot and/or backfield more than outside. He needs space to be good and he's not great at creating it on his own.

I also think there's a good chance he and Abby are competing for a spot. Abby will need to show up big this camp.

[Brandon494]

There's your next returner. If he turns out to be a difference maker there, he's well worth the pick.

On offense I think he'll be in the slot and/or backfield more than outside. He needs space to be good and he's not great at creating it on his own.

I also think there's a good chance he and Abby are competing for a spot. Abby will need to show up big this camp.

Ty is a lock to make the roster. Janis and Abby will be competing for a spot and I'm hoping they keep Janis.

Nelson
Cobb
Adams
Montgomery
Janis

Thats one hell of an athletic group of WRs.

[Patler]

Ty is a lock to make the roster. Janis and Abby will be competing for a spot and I'm hoping they keep Janis.

Nelson
Cobb
Adams
Montgomery
Janis

Thats one hell of an athletic group of WRs.

Ya, unless he blows up in training camp, you have to think Montgomery is quite certain to make the team as the primary kick returner, even if he is not yet ready to give much as a receiver.

Abbrederis is at such a disadvantage physically that I have always seen him as a long shot for any kind of a career. My suspicion has been that he was drafted where he was mostly for his potential as a return man, one who could fill in a few snaps at WR if needed. Montgomery can certainly fill the return role; and from what he showed last year, it looks like Janis can, too. Abbrederis' one advantage over both Janis and Montgomery is probably in route running, but if they become at least competent route runners, I don't see what Abbrederis will offer.

No matter who they keep, they certainly will have a group of interesting WRs, with size, speed and quickness in various combinations.

[3irty1]

I think Montgomery is displacing the RB Harris, not Abby. He'll replace Harris as a kick returner but probably also probably eat his few snaps as a running back since he'll already by active. Between Lacy, Starks, Kuhn/the polack, Cobb, and Montgomery I think you've got all the rushers you could possibly need to get yourself out of a game in a pinch. No need to carry a backup backup RB.

[Patler]

I think Montgomery is displacing the RB Harris, not Abby. He'll replace Harris as a kick returner but probably also probably eat his few snaps as a running back since he'll already by active. Between Lacy, Starks, Kuhn/the polack, Cobb, and Montgomery I think you've got all the rushers you could possibly need to get yourself out of a game in a pinch. No need to carry a backup backup RB.

Interesting thought, and I agree Montgomery very well might get some snaps out of the backfield. However, with Lacy's running style and Starks injury history, I will be real surprised if they keep just two RBs.

[mraynrand]

Interesting thought, and I agree Montgomery very well might get some snaps out of the backfield. However, with Lacy's running style and Starks injury history, I will be real surprised if they keep just two RBs.

Kuhn and Kowski fight it out for that FB spot. If Kowski wins, then in a pinch, he is their RB, a la Alstott. Week later, they activate the guy they have stashed on the PS, if necessary.

As much as I like Kuhn, I hope he gets usurped by Kowski

[mraynrand]

/the polack, ....

microaggression!

[Brandon494]

Interesting thought, and I agree Montgomery very well might get some snaps out of the backfield. However, with Lacy's running style and Starks injury history, I will be real surprised if they keep just two RBs.

Montgomery isn't replacing Harris, one of the RB from the PS will do that. Abby best chance at making the team was as a return man and with Montgomery most likely taking that spot and Janis being the better all around special teams player I believe Abby's chances of making the roster are slim to none. Maybe if we keep 6 WRs but don't see us doing that.

[Brandon494]

Kuhn and Kowski fight it out for that FB spot. If Kowski wins, then in a pinch, he is their RB, a la Alstott. Week later, they activate the guy they have stashed on the PS, if necessary.

As much as I like Kuhn, I hope he gets usurped by Kowski

We carry two FBs this year or Kowski will be signed to PS. Kuhn is a lock to make the roster and Kowski imo is he replacement for next year. Watching highlights Kowski does have experience blocking from the TE position so imo he''ll be fighting rookie TE Backman for a roster spot. Meaning we are either going to carry 4 TEs and 1 FB or 3 TEs and 2 FBs... I'm in favor of keeping 2 FBs.

[mraynrand]

We carry two FBs this year or Kowski will be signed to PS. Kuhn is a lock to make the roster and Kowski imo is he replacement for next year. Watching highlights Kowski does have experience blocking from the TE position so imo he''ll be fighting rookie TE Backman for a roster spot. Meaning we are either going to carry 4 TEs and 1 FB or 3 TEs and 2 FBs... I'm in favor of keeping 2 FBs.

This seems most likely (PS over keeping two FBs). Kuhn is like Stubby's security blanket, it will take some time before Lacy..err. Lucy.. will steal it away from him.

[vince]

I don't think he has enough shake or power to play running back with any regularity. He could come out of the backfield in the passing game and be effective though, or motion into that set and create match-up problems. Neal or one of the UDFA RB's will be needed. Maybe the UDFA from Louisiana-Lafayette or one of the other guys could be stashed on the PS...

Yeah Montgomery's a lock. I was trying to nicely say that I'm not sure Abby is. I may be premature but I think Janis is a lock too. 3 QB's (and maybe 2 FB's) will shorten up a roster spot from somewhere on O.

Though he did have 5 TD's in the first half against Cal... Rodgers ain't gonna like that, especially from a guy who did it in cardinal red. So he's gonna have to figure out how to overcome that.

[pbmax]

Was Rajion Neal a PS guy all year?

[vince]

Was Rajion Neal a PS guy all year?
Yeah I believe so. I wasn't overly impressed last year but he has a full year of development over the other guys so the 3rd rb spot is his to lose at this point.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked Beal last preseason, and I thought he had a good chance for a roster spot, but I think he got nicked up at the end of preseason.

[mission]

Stanford QB was horrible last year. Still there and won't even start again. They're trying to get him to transfer to Maryland for whatever reason.
Even Packers said it was hard to evaluate Montgomery's play with how poor the QB was.

I see this guy stepping into Cobb's RB role...

[pbmax]

I liked Beal last preseason, and I thought he had a good chance for a roster spot, but I think he got nicked up at the end of preseason.

I like Jennifer Beal(s) too.