official day 3 of the draft thread

[red]

i'll do it, don't want people getting confused

[3irty1]

Bout time somebody with a little luck started this thread.

[red]

seahawks are trying to move up 30 spots to get the titans pick

maybe they're about to draft russells replacement?

[red]

titans take Blackson, Angelo DT 6'4" 318 Auburn

[red]

jets just drafted some competition for geno

[3irty1]

God I hate the draft as an event these days. Just read the damn picks. All these artificial time delays and extra days so the blowhards can circle jerk. Just a few years ago we'd have these idiot GM's making all kinds of mistakes because there was way less time for fucking around.

[Carolina_Packer]

Petty and the Jets...sorry, couldn't resist.

[red]

God I hate the draft as an event these days. Just read the damn picks. All these artificial time delays and extra days so the blowhards can circle jerk. Just a few years ago we'd have these idiot GM's making all kinds of mistakes because there was way less time for fucking around.

just go here, their ahead of the announcements

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:4/dt-tabs:dt-by-round

[red]

its kinda amazing that ted hasn't moved around at all yet

[3irty1]

just go here, their ahead of the announcements

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:4/dt-tabs:dt-by-round
Awesome thanks.

[red]

no ras?

queens picking

[red]

vikings take TJ clemmings

good pick

[Maxie the Taxi]

Amazing that these guys are still undrafted:

RB Jay Ajayi

DT Michael Bennett

[Rastak]

vikings take TJ clemmings

good pick

Will be here on and off Red. Not a bad pick....lineman with a 1st round grade by many.

[Rastak]

Lots of OL going in the 4th.


That dude just said the "forf round"

[Maxie the Taxi]

Ramik Wilson off the board.

[Guiness]

Missed yesterday, busy drinking with non-football fans - (one of them even from Wi!) what'd I miss?

[red]

Missed yesterday, busy drinking with non-football fans - (one of them even from Wi!) what'd I miss?

well, we drafted another wr

and another cb

and we didn't draft an ILB

[Guiness]

Missed yesterday, busy drinking with non-football fans - (one of them even from Wi!) what'd I miss?

So they got a CB and a WR! lol, I can hear some of your head's exploding from here!

Does anyone have a single point in the draft contest? Going to look, I'd bet the answer is no

[red]

So they got a CB and a WR! lol, I can hear some of your head's exploding from here!

Does anyone have a single point in the draft contest? Going to look, I'd bet the answer is no

yeah, pretty much

[Guiness]

Wow, a lot of the R4 picks changed hands - 18 of the 32 picks are no longer owned by their original team!

[red]

we're up

how bout a QB here?

the guy from ucla?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Maybe they go RB Ajayi

[red]

or a fullback or punter, that would be awesome

[RashanGary]

the dick is in. TT selects 5'09" 166lb, 4.55 40 corner back in the 4th round

[Maxie the Taxi]

Or Bennett from OHIO State

[King Friday]

I'd like a big fat boy here in the 4th round. I've had enough tiny speedsters.

[red]

napoleon mccallum

i cringed just hearing that name

[King Friday]

There's the LB.

[red]

there we go, Jake Ryan, LB michigan

[Maxie the Taxi]

Pack picks Ryan. There's your LB red.

[red]

good pick

[King Friday]

This is a good pick...a kid with something to prove who fell due to injury more than anything else. Captain of a Big Ten team like Michigan to boot. To me, he won't be any worse than Hawk has been the last few years...and has potential to get better very quickly.

[denverYooper]

Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL 2m2 minutes ago
Ryan is a very interesting & good pick for #Packers…still learning, but could be starting ILB…allow Clay to go back to OLB possibly in time

[Brandon494]

Great pick, loving what TT has been doing in the draft so far.

[red]

This is a good pick...a kid with something to prove who fell due to injury more than anything else. Captain of a Big Ten team like Michigan to boot. To me, he won't be any worse than Hawk has been the last few years...and has potential to get better very quickly.

the one video i found of him i thought he looked like a younger hawk

so yeah, no worse off then we have been, and the kid could turn out to be a good one

[Guiness]

They got Ryan...nice.

[smuggler]

Very excited about the upside of the Ryan pick. Better potential than many picked this late.

[Brandon494]

the one video i found of him i thought he looked like a younger hawk

so yeah, no worse off then we have been, and the kid could turn out to be a good one

And we didn't have to waste a top 5 pick on him!!!

From the reports I've been reading though they have been comparing him for Desmond Bishop!!! We can only hope.

[red]

And we didn't have to waste a top 5 pick on him!!!

From the reports I've been reading though they have been comparing him for Desmond Bishop!!! We can only hope.

yeah, thats what nfl.com says

maybe we can keep this one

[wist43]

meh...

Ryan's ceiling is pretty low... he's so limited athletically that he probably has no chance of getting on the field in subpackages.

Ryan's better than nothing, but he doesn't solve our ILB problems - he's just another body.

[Badgerinmaine]

Good piece from a Michigan paper on Ryan: http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/05/nfl_draft_capsule_jake_ryan_wa.html

[Maxie the Taxi]

meh...

Ryan's ceiling is pretty low... he's so limited athletically that he probably has no chance of getting on the field in subpackages.

Ryan's better than nothing, but he doesn't solve our ILB problems - he's just another body.

But can he run?

[Guiness]

La'el Collins undrafted - does anyone take him?

[red]

La'el Collins undrafted - does anyone take him?

no, because his agent came out yesterday that if he was drafted later then the first 3 rounds, he would not sign his contract and would re enter the draft next year

[pittstang5]

sweet I nailed the Jake Ryan pick

[Maxie the Taxi]

sweet I nailed the Jake Ryan pick

I just posted a tribute to your fortune telling skills in the Official 2015 draft thread.:glug:

[red]

yup, nice call

[red]

ben heeney just went to the raiders

[pittstang5]

I just posted a tribute to your fortune telling skills in the Official 2015 draft thread.:glug:

Thank you. Just stopped by quick to see who we got. Too freakin nice out to be inside. how far away is the 5.

[Badgerinmaine]

Pack made a trade and is up next

[Maxie the Taxi]

Thank you. Just stopped by quick to see who we got. Too freakin nice out to be inside. how far away is the 5.

We're 10 picks into it.

[smuggler]

I really liked Adrian Amos. Sucks I have to root for him to fail now. Damn Bears.

[red]

pack shoot waaaay up

[Maxie the Taxi]

unusual trade up for TT

[smuggler]

Hundley?

[mraynrand]

sweet I nailed the Jake Ryan pick

Ted enjoys drafting himself

[Bretsky]

HERE ARE SOME ROUND 5 WISHES

Brett Hundley==QB===be a nice MM fit
Jay Ajayi ==RB====RB....why not....injury concern with torn ACL but too good to pass on here
Michael Bennett =DT===OSU so that sucks..but worth a shot in round 5
Kyle Emmanuel==LB===P.S....don't tell Harv I'm on borard

[Bretsky]

TTT JUST TRADED UP

[Maxie the Taxi]

Pack chooses Bret Hundley

[smuggler]

Could be Bennett...

[red]

gave up a 7th to move up 20 spots, not bad

LOL

theres the QB from UCLA i called

[mraynrand]

As a follower of MI, I really liked Ryan in 2012, before he got hurt.

[Bretsky]

Nice Pick....as a Badger Lover.....Scott Tolzien is just not good enough

[red]

we're up

how bout a QB here?

the guy from ucla?

nailed it

[HarveyWallbangers]

The top five guys at ILB in speed, agility, and acceleration combination were Stephone Anthony (77 rating), Jordan Hicks (76), Eric Kendricks (73), Mike Hull (73), and Jake Ryan (71). He was also in the top 40% or so in the measurables for explosiveness (vertical and broad jump). As an overall athlete, he checked in 6th amongst the 18 ILBs I analyzed. Stephone Anthony (79), Jordan Hicks (79), Ben Heeney (79), Eric Kendricks (78), Benardrick McKinney (75), Jake Ryan (72).

He seems plenty athletic.

[Badgerinmaine]

Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/brett-hundley?id=2552588 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/brett-hundley?id=2552588)

[Bretsky]

we really only gave up 7th ???

[mraynrand]

I was kinda hoping the pack would get Cobb. Titans: Triplets II

[HarveyWallbangers]

Love the Hundley pick, as well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

TT is saying "how you like me now." :)

[red]

we really only gave up 7th ???

well and our 5th

[HarveyWallbangers]

The boxes have been checked. One pick on a TE and the rest is the best athlete/BPA.

[Rastak]

no, because his agent came out yesterday that if he was drafted later then the first 3 rounds, he would not sign his contract and would re enter the draft next year

Florio pointed out unless he gets drafted this year and sits out he not eligible for the draft next year. He’s simply an under after free agent going forward.

So he wants to get picked it seems.

[Bretsky]

I do feel a bit for the QB; he was projected round 2/3 and thought he could be a starter

He's going to sit behind Rodgers forever

[mraynrand]

I do feel a bit for the QB; he was projected round 2/3 and thought he could be a starter

He's going to sit behind Rodgers forever

2 Point guy?

[red]

we still have all three 6th rounders, so we just gave up our 5th and 7th

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

NFL writeup is not all that flattering, 'Sources Tell Us "Someone will draft him, but I don't think he will ever be a starter. He can't read coverages and struggles to process. It is going to take a few years before he looks like a backup in my opinion. He has a long way to go." -- AFC area scout '

[Bretsky]

The boxes have been checked. One pick on a TE and the rest is the best athlete/BPA.

I'm not sure there is a TE worthbeans.....got any ?

I'd actually like your ND guy now

[pittstang5]

Jesse James still available? Other ILBs?

[mraynrand]

NFL writeup is not all that flattering, 'Sources Tell Us "Someone will draft him, but I don't think he will ever be a starter. He can't read coverages and struggles to process. It is going to take a few years before he looks like a backup in my opinion. He has a long way to go." -- AFC area scout '

time for Stubby to work his magic

[red]

lindy's

compares to : Randall cunningham

yeah, i guess i'll take that in the 5th

[red]

Jesse James still available? Other ILBs?

we got a ways to go before we draft again, and we won't be trading up anymore

[RashanGary]

The QB is in an excellent spot for him. McCarthy is an excellent QB teacher. This guy has a lot of raw talent, but needs to spend a couple years getting his fundamentals down.

[mraynrand]

Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/brett-hundley?id=2552588 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/brett-hundley?id=2552588)

Good luck, Brent!

[Bretsky]

Jesse James still available? Other ILBs?

WHO AM I ??

Had dominant senior season with 19.5 sacks. Selected first-team FCS All-American and Missouri Valley Defensive Player of the Year. Won Buck Buchanon Award (FCS' top defensive player) and selected first-team All-Missouri Valley. In 2013, selected second-team All-Missouri Valley. In 2012, selected honorable mention All-Missouri Valley. Played in 15 games with eight starts as a freshman in 2011. Two-time All-State selection in high school. Rushed for 1,318 yards and had 84 tackles as a senior.


Analysis

Strengths Logged 16.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks in eight games against top 25 opponents. Fires out with forward lean and low pad level. Good hips with low center of gravity. Has ability to bend edge and turn corner abruptly. Plays with strength and isn't easily redirected when he gets to shoulder of tackle. Has quick feet. Frenetic, moving target who is hard to sustain against. Has a linebacker's agility and ability to avoid traffic at his feet. Pursues runners with outstanding angles and never believes he is out of a play. Can set the edge against run and accelerates into ball carriers with a thud.

Weaknesses Played against inferior offensive linemen and often rocked tackles off-balance too easily. Has an average burst to the edge. Struggles to find his way back into rush when he is quick-set. Plays with shorter limbs than scouts like and might be a 3-4 OLB only. Too reliant on "run-and-bend" pass rushing -- needs to increase repertoire. Could become engulfed by NFL linemen if he plays too far inside. Rarely breaks off pass rush at high point to come underneath the tackle.

[Badgerinmaine]

we really only gave up 7th ???
From the Packers: "The Packers gave their seventh-round pick, No. 247 overall, to the Patriots in the trade."

[gbgary]

we got a ways to go before we draft again, and we won't be trading up anymore

unless he moves up again...to take another head-scratching pick.

[Bretsky]

I thought we had a 5th comp pick.............did we get jerked on comps again ?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not sure there is a TE worthbeans.....got any ?

I'd actually like your ND guy now

Ben Koyack maybe. Great size, decent athlete. People have been talking about O'Shaughnessy and Saxton as late round sleepers. Both have good enough size, and they are the two most athletic TEs left on the board. Bob was higher on Rory Anderson and Randall Telfer than most of the so-called experts, but both were injured and I don't have any testing numbers for them, so I haven't really looked at them closely.

[wist43]

As a follower of MI, I really liked Ryan in 2012, before he got hurt.

When I first looked at him... I think I was looking at pre-injury tape. I was okay with him... not thrilled, but okay.

Since then I've looked at more tape. Post-injury?? Wow, what a different player... always on the ground, can't get thru the trash, and never athletic to begin with... the tape I looked at, he looked like he belonged in a wheelchair.

Best case scenario is that he can be a run-down LB - on those rare occasions we commit to playing the run.

[Maxie the Taxi]

WHO AM I ??

Had dominant senior season with 19.5 sacks. Selected first-team FCS All-American and Missouri Valley Defensive Player of the Year. Won Buck Buchanon Award (FCS' top defensive player) and selected first-team All-Missouri Valley. In 2013, selected second-team All-Missouri Valley. In 2012, selected honorable mention All-Missouri Valley. Played in 15 games with eight starts as a freshman in 2011. Two-time All-State selection in high school. Rushed for 1,318 yards and had 84 tackles as a senior.


Analysis

Strengths Logged 16.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks in eight games against top 25 opponents. Fires out with forward lean and low pad level. Good hips with low center of gravity. Has ability to bend edge and turn corner abruptly. Plays with strength and isn't easily redirected when he gets to shoulder of tackle. Has quick feet. Frenetic, moving target who is hard to sustain against. Has a linebacker's agility and ability to avoid traffic at his feet. Pursues runners with outstanding angles and never believes he is out of a play. Can set the edge against run and accelerates into ball carriers with a thud.

Weaknesses Played against inferior offensive linemen and often rocked tackles off-balance too easily. Has an average burst to the edge. Struggles to find his way back into rush when he is quick-set. Plays with shorter limbs than scouts like and might be a 3-4 OLB only. Too reliant on "run-and-bend" pass rushing -- needs to increase repertoire. Could become engulfed by NFL linemen if he plays too far inside. Rarely breaks off pass rush at high point to come underneath the tackle.

Kyle Emanuel

[gbgary]

Jesse Jane still available?

she would actually be more useful to the Packers than this guy. lol

[mraynrand]

When I first looked at him... I think I was looking at pre-injury tape. I was okay with him... not thrilled, but okay.

Since then I've looked at more tape. Post-injury?? Wow, what a different player... always on the ground, can't get thru the trash, and never athletic to begin with... the tape I looked at, he looked like he belonged in a wheelchair.

Best case scenario is that he can be a run-down LB - on those rare occasions we commit to playing the run.

His athleticism seems OK. But watching him sometimes I got the feeling he was trying to be the entire defense all by himself. He was trying to cover multiple breakdowns and holes. Looked frustrated. Guy hung in there, I'll givem that. I don't know if he'll stick. PS is my guess this year.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Emanuel just got picked by San Diego

[mraynrand]

she would actually be more useful to the Packers than this guy. lol


He looks old. I'd take Sandy first. She at least can coach the O-line.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID12320/images/alg_jesse_james_sandra_bullock.jpg

[Bretsky]

Kyle Emanuel



CHARGERS JUST GOT HIM

LOVE THE CHARGERS DRAFT

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kyle Emanuel

His skills might not translate to the NFL. He won't be nearly as good at rushing the Packers, but the play at 2:55 is what intrigues me. Pretty good hustle for a college DE. Plus, the fact that some have projected him at ILB.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/01/01/2015-draft-prospects-kyle-emanuel-lb-north-dakota-state

[HarveyWallbangers]

CHARGERS JUST GOT HIM

LOVE THE CHARGERS DRAFT

Dang it. Ryan was a good consolation. Now, the only way I can win the draft prediction contest is if the Pack takes Crockett in the 7th.

[smuggler]

Steelers took Jesse James

[Maxie the Taxi]

Tampa got Kenny Bell

[Guiness]

Florio pointed out unless he gets drafted this year and sits out he not eligible for the draft next year. He’s simply an under after free agent going forward.

So he wants to get picked it seems.

I knew they said he wouldn't sign if drafted late, but didn't know this part.

I think this isn't over yet, assuming he gets cleared I smell a lawsuit coming. The way it stands now, they wouldn't let him withdraw from the draft, won't let him into the supplementary and would not let him enter the draft next year. Sure, he can sign as an undrafted FA, but they've taken a pile of options away from him and I can see a judge being sympathetic to that.

[Patler]

Hundley was McGinn's #4 rated QB, and McGinn quoted a scouted saying he needs work but will be a starter some day.

Good pick for the 5th round.

[Guiness]

Just saw this article, school bought the guy a $3m insurance policy to protect him against injury - and he's undrafted so far. I wonder if he'll collect?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/02/ifo-ekpre-olomu-triggers-draft-insurance-policy-by-going-unpicked-on-first-two-days/

[3irty1]

Jake Ryan is a good solve for us.

[The Shadow]

Jake Ryan is a good solve for us.

Agreed. Like this pick a lot.

[Freak Out]

Wist is in mid season form already. Holy fuck.

[mraynrand]

Just saw this article, school bought the guy a $3m insurance policy to protect him against injury - and he's undrafted so far. I wonder if he'll collect?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/02/ifo-ekpre-olomu-triggers-draft-insurance-policy-by-going-unpicked-on-first-two-days/

That insurance co. should call the Browns. They'll draft him for a small fee.

[Rastak]

I knew they said he wouldn't sign if drafted late, but didn't know this part.

I think this isn't over yet, assuming he gets cleared I smell a lawsuit coming. The way it stands now, they wouldn't let him withdraw from the draft, won't let him into the supplementary and would not let him enter the draft next year. Sure, he can sign as an undrafted FA, but they've taken a pile of options away from him and I can see a judge being sympathetic to that.

I can't because it is crystal clear in the rules. You can't take away something you never had. He isn't the first guy to drop like a stone, it happens. Being draft in the first round isn't a right.

[smuggler]

Interesting case. I'm not too sympathetic to him in general, but if he is completely cleared, he could see close to top draftee money as bidding picks up for him. AND he will see unrestricted FA sooner than drafted players if this is the case. Not the worst thing in the world to go undrafted if people still think you can play.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did the Raiders just forfeit a draft choice?

I see they just drafted Valles.

[mraynrand]

Wist is in mid season form already. Holy fuck.

:)

[mraynrand]

I can't because it is crystal clear in the rules. You can't take away something you never had. He isn't the first guy to drop like a stone, it happens. Being draft in the first round isn't a right.

Some insurance companies will risk a lot for a big premium!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZoPnlRnV4M"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZoPnlRnV4M

[Bretsky]

Just saw this article, school bought the guy a $3m insurance policy to protect him against injury - and he's undrafted so far. I wonder if he'll collect?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/02/ifo-ekpre-olomu-triggers-draft-insurance-policy-by-going-unpicked-on-first-two-days/

Is this the CB from Oregon whose knee was pretty much shredded ? Wonder if he wants to play. He's a player when heathy; worth throwing a late round pick at

[Maxie the Taxi]

Bears just drafted a really, really fat man:

Fabuluje, Tayo
OG

6'6"

353 lbs.

TCU

[Bretsky]

Hundley was McGinn's #4 rated QB, and McGinn quoted a scouted saying he needs work but will be a starter some day.

Good pick for the 5th round.

listened to his college coach pimp him on nfl network as a leader and a guy who should go at top of round two last week....became more of a fan
He may never play for GB in a real game...but great value pick and should solidify the backup QB spot for us, which is currently devoid of NFL ability

[Bretsky]

There goes the All American TE left

[Striker]

listened to his college coach pimp him on nfl network as a leader and a guy who should go at top of round two last week....became more of a fan
He may never play for GB in a real game...but great value pick and should solidify the backup QB spot for us, which is currently devoid of NFL ability

Would be nice if McCarthy can develop him and they can flip him for a 2nd/3rd.

[Bretsky]

AJ DERBY..............TE.............ARKANSAS ??
TRE MCBRIDE........WR............WILLIAM AND MARY ?
DERRICK LOTT......DT.......CHATTENOOGA

Any other guesses or requests ?

[Bretsky]

Hey.....somebody from Fresno State got drafted this year..............where is Mad ?? :)

[Striker]

AJ DERBY..............TE.............ARKANSAS ??
TRE MCBRIDE........WR............WILLIAM AND MARY ?
DERRICK LOTT......DT.......CHATTENOOGA

Any other guesses or requests ?

Lott's a little old.

Derby would be cool.

[Maxie the Taxi]

LETERRIUS WALTON DT 6'5" 319
CENTRAL MICHIGAN

ALANI FUA OLB 6'5" 234
BYU

NIX COLEMAN, TOO MANY CB'S

HOW ABOUT A RB?

[smuggler]

Coming back around to us. Tre McBride, DT Covington, ILB Hull, DE Chickillo, and S Prewitt still available.

[Bretsky]

I'd be Real down with another ILB in Hull

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'd be Real down with another ILB in Hull

Wist says Hull is a pussy.:-)

[Bretsky]

How about Rakeem Nunex Roches....DT...SOURTHERN MISS ?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Scratch Leterius Walton, Steelers got him. :x

[Bretsky]

I'll be surprised if we throw one name out here that TT drafts with our 6's.....we'll see....throw your names or make your predictions

[Bretsky]

AND THERE GOES AJ DERBY ........crap....Hoody..Dam Hoody

[Maxie the Taxi]

How about...

DARREN WALLER WR 6'6" 238
GEORGIA TECH

[mraynrand]

...and should solidify the backup QB spot for us, which is currently devoid of NFL ability

LOL

[Bretsky]

How about...

DARREN WALLER WR 6'6" 238
GEORGIA TECH


we could use a burner or somebody like this to win the jump ball.....worst case..he might be out best TE :

[Maxie the Taxi]

Scratch Darren Waller....Damn Ravens.

[Maxie the Taxi]

we could use a burner or somebody like this to win the jump ball.....worst case..he might be out best TE :

I was thinking TE. Academic now.

[Bretsky]

GB.....3 picks in next eight...........Maybe TT trade down for another pick ??? he has not down that yet

[Brandon494]

Hoping we get at least one of these guys...


TE Ben Koyack

OT Rob Crisp

DT Bobby Richardson

[Bretsky]

ted will trade down or pick somebody not on our list]] OL ??

[Maxie the Taxi]

RB Scheurman or Zenner?

[Bretsky]

Trade this pick for a fifth rounder next year...

[Bretsky]

classic...........FULL BACK

[Maxie the Taxi]

Pick is in.

[Bretsky]

just draft special teamers here on out

[Maxie the Taxi]

Aaron Ripkowski

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think they had a pre-draft visit with Ripkowski

[red]

madscientist had him in the contest

[Bretsky]

2014: named All-Big 12 second team by the league's coaches. Played in all 13 games with nine starts at fullback. 2013: Played in all 13 games. 2012: Played in 12 games with one start. 2011: Saw reserve duty in nine contests.


Pro Day Results
40-yard dash: 4.71 and 4.69 seconds
Vertical jump: 33 inches
Broad jump: 9 feet, 5 inches
Short shuttle: 4.33 seconds
3-cone drill: 7.59 seconds


Analysis

Strengths Outstanding size. Knows he is in to be a hammerhead for Sooners' rushing attack and takes great pride in that. Carries good speed and knee bend to his target. Drops low and explodes into linebackers with his outside shoulder, issuing a jarring, powerful pop. Looks for additional work after making first contact. Also took snaps as an in-line tight end.

Weaknesses Will duck his head before contact, briefly losing sight of his target. Leans into his block prematurely at times losing power and leverage. Hands must improve in both sustaining and delivering a punch. Used very sparingly as a pass-catcher and appears to be a one-trick pony.

Draft Projection Round 7 or priority free agent

Bottom Line Old-school blocking back who will have a hit or two each game that wows the crowd and gets his teammates fired up. He often charges in head-first and with a lowered head, so his success rate can vary greatly from game to game. Lack of pass-catching background hurts his chances.

[Maxie the Taxi]

madscientist had him in the contest

Aced you out.

[Bretsky]

YAWN
we just replaced John Kuhn with John Kuhn with less pass catching ability

[red]

this has to be the worst agent ever. we need to know his name

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/02/collins-needs-to-be-drafted-in-order-to-re-enter-the-draft/#comments

[smuggler]

Good football name. That is the extent of my expectations.

[red]

weve drafted FB's in the past, they never make the team in the end, wasted pick

they're gonna keep kuhn around forever just because a bunch of idiots like saying his name

[Bretsky]

Is Long Snapper Next ?

[Bretsky]

weve drafted FB's in the past, they never make the team in the end, wasted pick

they're gonna keep kuhn around forever just because a bunch of idiots like saying his name


Kuhn is a solid FB for what we need

[smuggler]

Incoming second FB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

DE

[Bretsky]

CHRISTIAN RINGO....DOWN WITH THAT PICK

[red]

DE christian ringo

6-1 277 pounds

[Brandon494]

Kuhn last year, this kid will be his replacement and special teams player this year. Also he knows how to block an in-line tight end so will help our goal line rushing attack as well.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Christian Ringo?

[Maxie the Taxi]

This is Ringo's scounting report on NFL Draft Tracker:

[Carolina_Packer]

Seems like a guy who could have been had as a UDFA. Was he really the best player available? Ted kicks the tires on these fullback only guys and they don't seem to last. Remember the kid from LSU that he eventually traded to Tennessee. Seems like a luxury to have a blocking only guy, but he could also be a special teams guy. I wonder what the plan is.

[red]

ummmm, whoa

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/095038e39e9fbebb427442c214aa359c79591793/c=316-0-4678-3280&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/LafayetteLA/2014/10/31/dsc2091.jpg

[Bretsky]

http://draftbreakdown.com/justin-higdons-2015-nfl-draft-hidden-gems-christian-ringo-dl-louisiana-lafayette/

[Maxie the Taxi]

Last pick is a TE Kinnard Backman.

[red]

kennard backman TE UAB

[Maxie the Taxi]

6'3" 258 lbs.

Analysis Strengths Not the biggest target, but well-*built and plays bigger than listed size when catching in traffic. Shows agility in the seam with an ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls. Quality hands and can secure in traffic. Puts head down and churns out as many yards after catch as he can. Solid, four*-year performer. Weaknesses Upright route runner too easily stymied by contact off snap. Gets no separation out of his rounded breaks. Radar is severely lacking as run blocker. Leaner who will miss or slide off of intended target. Doesn't work into proper position to seal and needs to have tackle help in pass protection. Draft Projection Undrafted Bottom Line Lacks the prototypical measurements teams want from a move tight end and he's simply not an effective enough blocker to be considered as anything more than an H-*back.

[Brandon494]

Didn't like the last pick but I give the draft grade a solid B.

[smuggler]

Got a player at every position of need save the 3-man line. Hopefully that means they like Pennell and/or Boyd...

[red]

heres ringo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryk0aZI5lNk

[smuggler]

TT has lost itn He's just drafting the dudes wiyh the coolest names!!!

[mraynrand]

6'3" 258 lbs.

Analysis Strengths Not the biggest target, but well-*built and plays bigger than listed size when catching in traffic. Shows agility in the seam with an ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls. Quality hands and can secure in traffic. Puts head down and churns out as many yards after catch as he can. Solid, four*-year performer. Weaknesses Upright route runner too easily stymied by contact off snap. Gets no separation out of his rounded breaks. Radar is severely lacking as run blocker. Leaner who will miss or slide off of intended target. Doesn't work into proper position to seal and needs to have tackle help in pass protection. Draft Projection Undrafted Bottom Line Lacks the prototypical measurements teams want from a move tight end and he's simply not an effective enough blocker to be considered as anything more than an H-*back.
Will always carry out blocking assignment on special teams instead of pulling a T.J. Rubley


FIFY. I hope

[red]

Got a player at every position of need save the 3-man line. Hopefully that means they like Pennell and/or Boyd...

ringo?

[mraynrand]

heres ringo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryk0aZI5lNk

He could be a starr

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked the draft through five rounds, but that 6th round was a dud. I'm tired of Thompson drafting a FB. I've never heard of the other two guys. Of course, that means at least one of these guys will have major impact.

[Carolina_Packer]

He could be a starr

:rs:

[Maxie the Taxi]

He could be a starr

Hmmm. Two sacks, a TFL and a TD. Not bad for a day's work.

[smuggler]

ringo?

OLB?

[Maxie the Taxi]

OLB?

ILB?

[Carolina_Packer]

Aw, man. I wish we had selected Hayes Pullard instead of that TE from UAB. Pullard would likely have a better chance of sticking at a position of need, so that's better value to me.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, the TE wasn't on the list of guys I researched, but his measurables are solid. Comparing him to an athletic, late round sleeper TE that I liked in Wes Saxton, he looks almost identical athletically. A tad short but pretty athletic.

Saxton = 6'3" 248, 4.65 40, 4.49 shuttle, 7.29 3 cone, 36" vert, 119" broad, 19 bench
Backman = 6'3" 243, 4.66 40, 4.49 shuttle, 7.23 3 cone, 35.5" vert, 117" broad, 17 bench

[wist43]

Wist is in mid season form already. Holy fuck.

lol... yeah, I'm cranky these days ;)

And now that the draft is over??

Fucking hate it... We're a worse football team today than we were at the end of last year, and we weren't good enough last year. Have to hope everyone else regressed more than we did.

[Maxie the Taxi]

So, the TE wasn't on the list of guys I researched, but his measurables are solid. Comparing him to an athletic, late round sleeper TE that I liked in Wes Saxton, he looks almost identical athletically. A tad short but pretty athletic.

Saxton = 6'3" 248, 4.65 40, 4.49 shuttle, 7.29 3 cone, 36" vert, 119" broad, 19 bench
Backman = 6'3" 243, 4.66 40, 4.49 shuttle, 7.23 3 cone, 35.5" vert, 117" broad, 17 bench

2 benches short of the PS.

[wist43]

Flying thru this thread... are you guys in the middle of a prozac party??

Good God - every pick is a future HOF'er??

This is a shitty draft - does next to nothing to help us this year, and long term most of those guys are question marks.

I like Rollins, and I like Montgomery (as a player, not the pick necessarily). Ryan isn't the answer at ILB, and you'll all be cursing Randall every time he slips off a tackle and allows unnecessary yards, or dives at a guys ankles and comes up empty. Jon Gruden said when they announced the pick - "... the guy can't tackle" - that shows up on tape over and over again...

[Maxie the Taxi]

Why would TT draft a DB who can't tackle? Seems like a conspiracy.

[BallHawk]

Jon Gruden said when they announced the pick - "... the guy can't tackle" - that shows up on tape over and over again...

We really care what Gruden thinks about our pick? Dude is good with QBs, but he's never been a guy that can reasonably analyze defensive talent. He's convinced Trae Waynes is gonna be a bust because he watched a few minutes of tape and decided he's a poor tackler. I'll trust Ted and the front office over him.

[Teamcheez1]

Flying thru this thread... are you guys in the middle of a prozac party??

Good God - every pick is a future HOF'er??

This is a shitty draft - does next to nothing to help us this year, and long term most of those guys are question marks.

I like Rollins, and I like Montgomery (as a player, not the pick necessarily). Ryan isn't the answer at ILB, and you'll all be cursing Randall every time he slips off a tackle and allows unnecessary yards, or dives at a guys ankles and comes up empty. Jon Gruden said when they announced the pick - "... the guy can't tackle" - that shows up on tape over and over again...

I think you have said something similar for the last few years. It's amazing we can even field a team.

[Striker]

I wonder what it's like to go through life being so negative.

[smuggler]

wist has CTE!!!! - Plausible explanation. He's just frustrated. Understandable. I'm lukewarm about most of the guys and will reserve judgment for camp.

[gbgary]

I'm lukewarm about most of the guys and will reserve judgment for camp.

this...but what do i know. i don't know anything about these guys except what i've heard or read in the last few weeks. at least needs were addressed.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Gerald Christian, TE Louisville is Mr. Irrelevant. Poor guy. He's actually pretty good.

[red]

so, the dumb shit agent of the guy from LSU pretty much just destroyed his clients career

[Rastak]

so, the dumb shit agent of the guy from LSU pretty much just destroyed his clients career

Actually Florio laid out how he should be sitting pretty in three years by not getting drafted. Supposedly his agent admitted he'll sign with someone now.

[vince]

lol... yeah, I'm cranky these days ;)

And now that the draft is over??

Fucking hate it... We're a worse football team today than we were at the end of last year, and we weren't good enough last year. Have to hope everyone else regressed more than we did.

That's a glowing review compared to your extensive and totally prescient prognosis of 2013 (http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?25074-THE-draft-thread-(2013-version)).

Packers 2013 Draft Class
1. Datone Jones
2. Eddie Lacy
4. David Bakhtiari
4. J.C. Tretter
4. Jonathan Franklin
5. Micah Hyde
5. Josh Boyd
6. Nate Palmer
7. Charles Johnson
7. Kevin Dorsey
7. Sam Barrington

After 2 years, probably ends up as top 2 or 3 TT draft classes...


Nothing can fix this disaster of a draft
All TT accomplished with this draft is bottom of the roster churn.

This draft, outside of Jones, did nothing to improve the team in either the short, or long term. TT is going to do the same thing next year, and the year after, on and on... and we will perpetually reside at the level of a 2nd tier playoff team.

The SB was, in fact, "a fart in the wind", and we really aren't a serious contender.
….
What TT did in the 2013 draft was nothing short of moronic. I really do believe that Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey were the voice of reason in his ear, and now that they're gone there's no one there to stop him from doing stupid shit.
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1-18 Eric Reid FS LSU Grade: B
2-40 Cornellius (Tank) Carradine DE Florida State Grade: A-
2-55 Vance McDonald TE Rice Grade: B
3-88 Corey Lemonier DE Auburn Grade: A
4-128 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech Grade: A
4-131 Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina Grade: A-
5-157 Quinton Dial DT Alabama Grade: B+
6-180 Nick Moody OLB Florida State Grade: C-
7-237 B.J. Daniels QB South Florida Grade: C-
7-246 Carter Bykowski OT Iowa State Grade: C-
7-252 Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers Grade: B
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Now that's a draft.

I can only imagine how much laughter there had to be in their 'war room' everytime they scammed TT - truly a pathetic display by TT this weekend
…
Add it all up, and we are a deeply flawed, underpowered team that has an all-pro QB slinging the ball and masking the teams shortcomings.

The Packers roster is just a basketcase - what a mess.
…

[The wist report on Eddie Lacy]

You mean, Mr. Cementshoes Lacy?? The slog-footed slug from Alabama??
That's a terrible pick...
…
absolutely hate this pick.

Horrible, horrible pick.

This guy is a led-footed piece of shit.

This is saying a lot, b/c Ted has drafted some real turds - but this is Ted's worst draft pick ever.
…
TT just spent a 2nd round pick on 730 yds and 7 TD's.

I really didn't think Ted would be dumb enough to do this... so I never really considered this possibility.

Just wow
…
[Upon a Ted trade-back to pick up additional players]

Ted is just givin shit away, lol
…
Well, TT made a mess of the 2nd round... I'm sure he can pull it off again.

Can anyone say - "Soft Offensive Lineman"??
…
This officially TT's worst draft - tomorrow he'll draft 8 super soft offensive linemen that have a lot of "versitility"... they just need to get stronger
…
Do you really think 12 7th round draft choices can elevate the Packers past the Niners, Seahawks, Giants, Redskins, Falcons, and now probably the Vikings??

The 49er's really had a great offseason - they are better now than they were 2 months ago. We are worse.

We're now officially a 2nd tier team, and given the poor condition of our roster, with only more slugs to come... we're likely stuck on this 2nd level for a while.
…
[The wist report on Bakh and Tretter]
woo hoo!!!!

Two man-boobed, "underdeveloped", "needs to get stronger", "mobile", "versatile"

LOL

A leopard don't change his spots.

What a disaster of a draft.
…
TT is just replacing previously drafted/street FA softies. Year after year, all he's doing is churning the bottom quarter of the roster over and over.
…
[The wist report on Franklin pick]

We already had him on the roster - Dujuan Harris.

I guess Harris is back to selling cars
…
Relax - America has 400 million FA's to choose from.
…
Yeah, this draft is officially a complete disaster.

Maybe loosing McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider, et al really is going to cause the Packer front office to implode??

This draft is straight out of the looney bin... maybe those guys kept Ted from hurting himself with sharp objects??
…
They're roster churning replacements for bottom feeder guys that TT has on the conveyor belt out of town; and for bottom feeder replacement guys - Benson and Harris look a lot like Lacy and Franklin.

Even if they're okay players - it's a waste - b/c Benson and Harris produced good enough. Why spend a 2nd and a 4th+ on players who are about the same as the guys they're replacing - while at the same time, you have other areas of the roster that are a complete joke??
…
Absolutely love the 49er's draft

Just took Marcus Lattimore - wow are they doing an awesome job!!
[Lattimore is out of the league]
…
It's usually what they do... try 'em at T until they fail there. Coach 'em up for a year at G - then cut 'em for Ted's next 6th round draft choice.

Rinse. Repeat.
…
No excuse for what TT has done these 3 days... I'm beginning to think that McKenzie, Dorsey, and Schneider were the voices of reason in TT's ear, and with those guys gone, TT is running up and down the halls with a bubble blaster.

Even if these guys make the roster, and eventually progress to having a role on the team - that's 2-3 years down the line... while this year, all TT is doing is pushing his previous crop of ne'er-do-wells off the roster.

So while TT is drafting guys today, in hopes that they will contribute in 3 years; SF, Minn, Sea, et al are reloading their guns and leaving us for dead.
…
This draft is really gonna set us back...

It's becoming pretty obvious that Schneider, Dorsey, and McKenzie were the brains behind TT's previous drafts - this is TT's first draft without the training wells there to support him, and he's fallen flat on his face.

Just a disaster of a draft.
…
[The wist report on Boyd]
Boyd fits the Packer criteria for DT's - can't get off blocks, can't hold up to double teams, can't 2-gap, and is underpowered.

He'll likely make the team b/c there isn't much competition - then TT will draft another version of Boyd in 2 years, and he will be moved off the roster.
…
Where are they going to play him??

Does he just move CJ Wilson off the roster??

So...
- we've drafted a Benson clone to replace him - Lacy
- we've drafted a Harris clone to replace him - Franklin
- we've drafted a CJ Wilson clone to replace him - Boyd

Look out Frisco - we be bad!!!!
…

TT passed up numerous chances to draft potential difference makers who could move into the lineup and upgrade us immediately at a position - but he doesn't do that. He says he wants to draft guys that will be good 2-3 years down the line.

Who knows, maybe frisco will come back to us in 3 years... and the Islamic guy will actually be in our starting lineup, woo hoo!!!
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[The wist report on Barrington]
Just looked up the LB'er turd TT drafted - CBS had him ranked as the 593rd player, LOL

TT - you go girl!!!
…
This just keeps gettin worser and worser... amazing to watch TT operate, lol
…
What are the odds that Mr. 4.91 forty, is nothing more than training camp fodder, special teams fodder, or practice squad fodder??

We already have 68 guys like Bearington.

Can you redraft a guy after you cut him??
…
TT's drafts are beginning to take on a comedic quality - next year, we can add at least 7 or 8 of these 10 picks to the scrap heep - and the other 2 or 3 can be added the next year.

Wow
…
Typical Ted draft... I think he's being paid cash under the table, and is running a Fight Club like training camp for the Arena League - that explains why he needs the all the bodies. Kind of like the Running Man - that's where Caleb Schlauderaff is right now.
…
Yeah, "versatility" has served us well hasn't it?? Everyone agrees that Green Bay has now, and has had for years, a lot of problems on the OL. This nonsense has been going on for 8 years now - we've never had a good line since TT has been here.


There's a lot of bumpable material in here.

[3irty1]

Never change wist you magnificent bastard.

[esoxx]

That's a glowing review compared to your extensive and totally prescient prognosis of 2013 (http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?25074-THE-draft-thread-(2013-version)).

Packers 2013 Draft Class
1. Datone Jones
2. Eddie Lacy
4. David Bakhtiari
4. J.C. Tretter
4. Jonathan Franklin
5. Micah Hyde
5. Josh Boyd
6. Nate Palmer
7. Charles Johnson
7. Kevin Dorsey
7. Sam Barrington

After 2 years, probably ends up as top 2 or 3 TT draft classes...

Busted!!!

[KYPack]

But, Oh great and powerful Wist,

Try and wait until somebody buckles a chin strap or pulls on a jock before you condemn this draft to bust hell.

[pbmax]

Well now I am sure why it all starts to run together.

[esoxx]

Wist is a one trick pony.

[falco]

Ha!

[smuggler]

Pretty damning. The 49ers bombed that class and we have an embarrassment of riches, even considering Franklin's injury.

[King Friday]

Wist is going to need a penis vacuum to re-inflate that limp noodle after that shot across the bow.

[King Friday]

San Francisco is such a well-run organization! They ran off a truly great HC and replaced him with someone who can't even put a coherent sentence together.

Yep...they are truly the epitome of greatness in the NFL today.

[mraynrand]

Wist is going to need a penis vacuum to re-inflate that limp noodle after that shot across the bow.

That's not mine! I swear!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCvULMRUq8

[run pMc]

LMAO thanks for posting vince.
In fairness, I remember that draft and thinking SF did a really nice job. In hindsight (as of today) GB's draft produced more players in general, and starters for sure. Gotta give TT his props there, he needed a bounce-back draft after the all-defense debacle.

[wist43]

Don't know what you guys are crowing about the '13 draft... we got 1 good player (Lacy - who surprised me); but no one else is going to a pro bowl.

Bacteria is still light in the loafers and average at best; Jones is a disappointment; Hyde is okay, but is at best an average contributor; and the only reason Barrington is of any use is b/c TT forced Dom to change schemes.

If you're a draftcentric team, and you pick 36 guys a year - I'm not surprised that a number of those guys would be contributing... to whatever level of success or failure; afterall, we're a draftcentric team!!! lol...

Not only are we a draftcentric team - we are a QB centric team. Without Rodgers that same group of worldbeaters you guys think are so great went 2-5-1.

If we were a solid all-around football team - we wouldn't be looking at the #1 draft pick just b/c we lost our QB. NE lost their starting QB one year, and won the SB; same thing for the Giants... they had talent and depth all over the roster - we do not.

Answer this fellas - are we better today than on that fateful Sunday in Seattle in Feb?? The answer is - of course we're not better, we've regressed, and we weren't good enough last year... how does this escape you guys??

[smuggler]

I don' t typically get like this, but the prior post is stupid. Downright stupid. And the person that produced it should feel bad for doing so.

[Bretsky]

I liked the draft through five rounds, but that 6th round was a dud. I'm tired of Thompson drafting a FB. I've never heard of the other two guys. Of course, that means at least one of these guys will have major impact.

THIS

[mraynrand]

Answer this fellas - are we better today than on that fateful Sunday in Seattle in Feb?? The answer is - of course we're not better, we've regressed, and we weren't good enough last year... how does this escape you guys??

*SIGH*

The reason history repeats itself is because people fail to learn from history - and I'm not talking about the Packers, Wisty.

[pbmax]

Answer this fellas - are we better today than on that fateful Sunday in Seattle in Feb?? The answer is - of course we're not better, we've regressed, and we weren't good enough last year... how does this escape you guys??

1. Rodger calf is healthier
2. Williams, House(backup), Hawk(backup) and Jones(backup) are gone. Replaced by Hayward, Hyde (Goodman, Randall and Rollins), Bradford, Palmer, Ryan, Dantzler and Francis.
3. Barclay is healthier
4. Raji is back and Pennel gets a year to develop
5. They can again move Matthews outside if one of the five ILBs who will get the reps develops. He can then play anywhere they want him.
6. Their special teams stand a very good chance of improving with the return guy alone, even if nothing else happens with coaching.

[George Cumby]

I don't know if Wist is now just trolling or if he believes his bull shit. Regardless, it's tiresome at best. He's not "ignore"-worthy, but Woodbuckian in how I treat his posts; a scan, at best.

This draft is exactly how many of us knew it would play out; lots of "Whodafuk?" Moments, followed by frantic googling, followed by head-scratching, followed by the dawning realization that some kid not touted by Mel Kiper or Lindys might be able to play some ball and that maybe, just maybe, Ted and his scouts might know their fukking business.

Special Teams is going to be better this year. Big letters. The kids in the secondary will ball. I'm not sold on the kid out of Michigan.
I like the full back and the DT. Don't care for the TE. But I'm not paid lots of dough to do this so I'm probably wrong.

[Brandon494]

1. Rodger calf is healthier
2. Williams, House(backup), Hawk(backup) and Jones(backup) are gone. Replaced by Hayward, Hyde (Goodman, Randall and Rollins), Bradford, Palmer, Ryan, Dantzler and Francis.
3. Barclay is healthier
4. Raji is back and Pennel gets a year to develop
5. They can again move Matthews outside if one of the five ILBs who will get the reps develops. He can then play anywhere they want him.
6. Their special teams stand a very good chance of improving with the return guy alone, even if nothing else happens with coaching.

Haha Dix, Adams and Rodgers will have had a year under their belt.
Dante Jones should be better going into his 3rd season.
O-line should only get better with all starter returning



.....Oh yea and Rodgers won't have a calf injury limiting his game

[Patler]

1. Rodger calf is healthier
2. Williams, House(backup), Hawk(backup) and Jones(backup) are gone. Replaced by Hayward, Hyde (Goodman, Randall and Rollins), Bradford, Palmer, Ryan, Dantzler and Francis.
3. Barclay is healthier
4. Raji is back and Pennel gets a year to develop
5. They can again move Matthews outside if one of the five ILBs who will get the reps develops. He can then play anywhere they want him.
6. Their special teams stand a very good chance of improving with the return guy alone, even if nothing else happens with coaching.

7. Sitton (hopefully) is over the foot injury that took away his power. They said it would not heal until off season
8. Linsley and HHCD have a year of experience. Jump from rookie to year two can be big. Adams too.

Basically, this team has lost A.J. Hawk, Tramon Williams and a couple guys who didn't play a heck of a lot last year. No one who is returning should be in a state of possible decline, except perhaps Kuhn. There are a lot of key players who should still be ascending The biggest loss may be House who was the "naturaL" replacement for Williams.

Every year is a new year, but on paper there should be no significant decline in this team, and renewed health plus added experience for Bakhtiari, Linsley, Adams and HHCD should more than make up for losses.

[Patler]

Haha Dix, Adams and Rodgers will have had a year under their belt.
Dante Jones should be better going into his 3rd season.
O-line should only get better with all starter returning



.....Oh yea and Rodgers won't have a calf injury limiting his game

Sorry, Brandon, i didn't read your reply before I wrote much of the same thoughts. Great minds.........!

[mraynrand]

1. Rodger calf is healthier
2. Williams, House(backup), Hawk(backup) and Jones(backup) are gone. Replaced by Hayward, Hyde (Goodman, Randall and Rollins), Bradford, Palmer, Ryan, Dantzler and Francis.
3. Barclay is healthier
4. Raji is back and Pennel gets a year to develop
5. They can again move Matthews outside if one of the five ILBs who will get the reps develops. He can then play anywhere they want him.
6. Their special teams stand a very good chance of improving with the return guy alone, even if nothing else happens with coaching.

four starting/sig playing time rookies will be in year 2

[mraynrand]

Haha Dix, Adams and Rodgers will have had a year under their belt.
Dante Jones should be better going into his 3rd season.
O-line should only get better with all starter returning



.....Oh yea and Rodgers won't have a calf injury limiting his game

oops, you beat me to it.. So did Patler. Gotta read to the end!

[mraynrand]

BOSTICK IS GONE Addition by subtraction

[Pugger]

I don't know if Wist is now just trolling or if he believes his bull shit. Regardless, it's tiresome at best. He's not "ignore"-worthy, but Woodbuckian in how I treat his posts; a scan, at best.

This draft is exactly how many of us knew it would play out; lots of "Whodafuk?" Moments, followed by frantic googling, followed by head-scratching, followed by the dawning realization that some kid not touted by Mel Kiper or Lindys might be able to play some ball and that maybe, just maybe, Ted and his scouts might know their fukking business.

Special Teams is going to be better this year. Big letters. The kids in the secondary will ball. I'm not sold on the kid out of Michigan.
I like the full back and the DT. Don't care for the TE. But I'm not paid lots of dough to do this so I'm probably wrong.

We all bitched about how crappy our ST was and so Ted and company decide to address it and some still piss and moan. Sucks to be them. Christ, life is too damn short to get our undies in a bunch about a damn draft. On one large forum - Footballs Future - with fans of all teams most of those guys feel the Packers, NE and Seattle are the top teams in the league, even after our so-called shitty draft. :lol:

[Pugger]

BOSTICK IS GONE Addition by subtraction

BRAD JONES IS GONE Addition by subtraction II