Nick Perry released.

[Patler]

Too bad. Some thought he might have a solid NFL career. Apparently a victim to the depth at his position.

Now to ruin it for some Packerrats: it was the Baltimore Ravens safety Nick Perry, not the Packer linebacker Nick Perry.

Let the cursing begin......:-)

[pbmax]

If only they had let that safety play DE.

[Guiness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Mznmm-bl0

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wouldn't have surprised me

[Fritz]

Damn you, Patler! (Shakes fist)

In fact, I do hope Perry can stay healthy this year. I think he is a solid player if he's healthy. He can help this team.

[Brandon494]

Nicely done.

[Bretsky]

I was going to say about time :)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was going to say about time :)

Wisdom

[Zool]

I've given ole Nick as hard a time as anyone for his previous 3 years, but I'll be damned if he hasn't turned the corner. If he can stay healthy, kid gonna get paid.

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I've given ole Nick as hard a time as anyone for his previous 3 years, but I'll be damned if he hasn't turned the corner. If he can stay healthy, kid gonna get paid.

and then probably revert back to his shitty ways

always watch out for the guys who manage to "figure it out" in a contract year

[Patler]

Yup. Starting to look a little bit like the player we hoped for.

[Patler]

and then probably revert back to his shitty ways

always watch out for the guys who manage to "figure it out" in a contract year

In fairness to Perry, he has been hurt most of the time. Wasn't it him that the story came out after the season was over that he was playing with significant pain, and that the guys in the locker room were amazed that he continued to play.

[mraynrand]

Knock on wood, but this is what a healthy defense, with a full toolbox, looks like in the hands of a master carpenter.

http://allgbp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/capers.jpg

[mraynrand]

Searching for Caper's pic, I spied this and had to post it:

http://cdn.niketalk.com/a/a1/500x1000px-LL-a1eab264_smooth-hair-cut-no-hair.jpeg

The Carlos Boozer 'Black Ice' look

[mraynrand]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/b/b7/500x469px-LL-b74f5cb1_pic-dump-589-11.jpeg

:) :)

[red]

holy crap

[smuggler]

It's okay if he plays like a scrub in 2016. He'll probably be doing it for someone else, and we'll be up a comp pick. And, hopefully, enjoying a Lombardi trophy.

[pbmax]

Knock on wood, but this is what a healthy defense, with a full toolbox, looks like in the hands of a master carpenter.

http://allgbp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/capers.jpg

Are you saying he has spray painted wood on his head?

[call_me_ishmael]

I've given ole Nick as hard a time as anyone for his previous 3 years, but I'll be damned if he hasn't turned the corner. If he can stay healthy, kid gonna get paid.

I disagree. He has one move. He is injury prone. He'll get a smaller deal than Mike Neal did a few years back. He is a stiff.

I hope I'm wrong. I was a big believer a few years back but he doesn't look like a very good NFL player to me.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Perry has always been a solid player, when healthy. Which has rarely happened. Like with Bulaga, i expect his next injury to come soon. Sucks though, because a healthy Perry has value to the Packers.

[Upnorth]

I've given ole Nick as hard a time as anyone for his previous 3 years, but I'll be damned if he hasn't turned the corner. If he can stay healthy, kid gonna get paid.

But But this nick perry was most definitely a safety...

[Fritz]

I, uh, was calling for the Packers' Nick Perry to be released about two weeks ago. Sigh. I jumped off the bandwagon a bit too soon.

[RashanGary]

I hated the Perry pick and that never changed until now. I was wrong. Capers has him playing to his strengths and he's developed a speed rush to go with his power. The way he's played this season, he looks like a 10+ sack guy. Very good pass rusher and run down player.

[red]

lots of kool aid being passed around lately

guess 4-0 will do that

[Zool]

But But this nick perry was most definitely a safety...

http://www.talkweather.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rimshot.gif

[HarveyWallbangers]

lots of kool aid being passed around lately

guess 4-0 will do that

Do you think Perry is a below average player or just can't stay healthy? To me, he's always been a good run defender who can pass rush a bit. That makes him valuable. I'm not sure hes much different than he's ever been. His bull rush and edge setting have always been top notch.

[KYPack]

Do you think Perry is a below average player or just can't stay healthy? To me, he's always been a good run defender who can pass rush a bit. That makes him valuable. I'm not sure hes much different than he's ever been. His bull rush and edge setting have always been top notch.

He'll get hurt, sure. Anybody that sells out like he does will have the tables turned on him eventually. But man, he helps. They use what he can do very effectively. The guy hammers people, but he's not a coverage guy at all. They just play him in his corridor in the right situations and he's fine.

I don't think they'll be able to keep him. if he keeps going, he'll get Erik Walden money and some team will try and make him a 3 down OLB.

That, he can't do.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I still think a team might sign him as a 4-3 DE. Or a team that plays a hybrid scheme--like Atlanta.

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Do you think Perry is a below average player or just can't stay healthy? To me, he's always been a good run defender who can pass rush a bit. That makes him valuable. I'm not sure hes much different than he's ever been. His bull rush and edge setting have always been top notch.

i think he's a very injury prone player who is average at best when healthy

[Fritz]

Like KY said, just don't axe him to cover anybody. He can do two of the three jobs a linebacker can do: play the run and rush the passer (well, some).

But he's an important cog this year.

[pbmax]

But he's an important cog this year.

https://scottymiller.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/cogswell-vs-spacely.jpg

I'd say more Sprocket.

[mission]

And besides Peppers, there's no one better on the team than Perry at strip-sacks. In fact, I'd be surprised if his caused fumble : sack ratio isn't the best on the team. Now sure, he hasn't stayed healthy enough to make his numbers anything more than a small sample.

[Pugger]

I hated the Perry pick and that never changed until now. I was wrong. Capers has him playing to his strengths and he's developed a speed rush to go with his power. The way he's played this season, he looks like a 10+ sack guy. Very good pass rusher and run down player.

This might be the first year he is relatively healthy too. I don't think it is a coincidence the defense is better with him playing better.

[gbgary]

I'd say more Sprocket.

did you say sprocket? (https://youtu.be/gaWCHSofq9A?list=RDQHZR9SA5pOg)

[vince]

Yeah if he stays healthy this year, he's gonna get paid by someone - not likely the Packers though I don't think.

If there were someone out their tracking a disruptivity factor per snap stat - adjusted for injury - for the 130 or so 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE's in the league, I think Perry would fit into a tier that reaches well into the top half of the league and ends before you get to the "average" group.

Bill Polian said that to win in this salary cap era you need a franchise QB who's going to make about 15% of your cap by himself. Then about a dozen or so vets who will make up the core of your team will consume about 50%. Then the other 50 guys plus dead money (though 10 are on the PS but they now count against the cap too) get the remaining 35% which means they need to be on vet min and/or rookie deals.

Perry's right on the border in terms of being worthy of fitting into that core vet group in my opinion. If you're going to have to pay him full value when healthy, that's a gamble Ted might not be able to afford to take.

2016 Cap Hits on the books
Rodgers $19.25

Core Group - $80 mil
Matthews $13.75
Peppers $10.5
Shields $12.125
Sitton $6.6
Lang $6.2
Cobb $9.15
Burnett $6.05
Nelson $8.8
Bulaga $5.6

Potential Value Players - $13 mil
D. Jones $2.5
Dix $2.3
Randall $1.8
Masthay (or his replacement) $1.5
Lacy $1.1
Adams $1.1
Bakh, DickRod, Rollins, Hyde, Palmer $.8 each

That's at least $125 mil with dead cap, PS and contingency fund.

Then you have
Daniels - pay the man. Core guy and has the work ethic to get better. Low bust potential and the right age. $5 mil with backload (Teddy don't like backloading but he's been doing it and he's going to have to do it again here)
Raji - $5 mil. I'm signing him over Perry if possible. Both have bust potential when they get paid but at the same price I think Raji's more valuable.
Guion - $4 mil.
Crosby - $2 mil.
J.Jones - $2 mil is a bargain the way he's playing. MAYBE there's room with Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Janis, Abby already in-house.

That's $145 mil. on 26 guys. Cut Peppers and Masthay and that drops it down to $134 on 24 guys likely on the books.

$26 mil left for the other 29 guys. That's assuming the following are NOT re-signed.
Neal
Perry
Hayward
Starks
Quarless
Barclay
Goode
Kuhn

Plus in 2017 it gets even more challenging with Sitton, Lang, Bakh, Tretter, and Lacy to sign (or their replacements) and not enough money to do it with after another $12 mil in additional built-in backloaded cap hits from Rodgers, Matthews, Cobb, Nelson, Bulaga, Burnett deals.

Plus in 2017 Elliott, Pennel, Barrington, Boyd, and Thomas - though these guys will all be available on the cheap.

No Peppers, Neal or Perry leaves them mighty thin at OLB but the cap's getting tighter and tighter. There are gonna be some guys who will sign elsewhere for more than Ted's going to be able to afford in the next couple years.

Draft well Ted - and hopefully you're doing it right at the bottom of each round.

[pbmax]

Packers could benefit from GMs not knowing what Perry looks like.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k75/paisans_2006/nk_perry.png

He does have 8 tackles, 2 assts, 1 FF and 3 sacks. If he keeps it up, its going to be hard for him not to land a good deal. As odd as this seems to say, he might be headed for that weird place where he is took expensive as a backup to keep but not healthy enough (or good enough when dinged up) to start.

He's Matt Flynn.

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surprise surprise

he's hurt again