TE problem

[Harlan Huckleby]

Quarless may be out 4-6 weeks with mcl sprain.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/329993861.html

I don't think Kuhn or Backman can replace his skill set. Backman isn't ready.


What about letting Q sit for 8 weeks (IR designated to return) so they can find a replacement (can Perillo block?) without dropping another player from roster.

[RashanGary]

Quarless sucks. We'll be fine.

[hoosier]

No way do they waste the IR-DR option (they only get one) on such a replaceable guy. If pro football had a WAR (wins against replacement) statistic, Quarless's would be zero. In other words, he IS the hypothetical replacement that you measure player values against.

A better alternative would be to start working Perillo in as occasional second TE, and use a sixth OL (Walker) on short yardage plays.

[red]

our TE problem is that we went into the season without any decent TE's

i say look outside the box, because the answer to our problem isn't currently on the team or practice squad

and i agree, don't waste the IR-designated to return thing on a waste of a roster spot like Q. i believe the play he was injured on was the first time he was even targeted this year

[pittstang5]

IR - Quarless
IR /Designate to return - Adams
IR - Goodson

Room for Giuon
Bring up Perillo and Abracadbra

:thank:

[pittstang5]

i say look outside the box, because the answer to our problem isn't currently on the team or practice squad



I agree with this...but both you and I know that ain't TT and MM style. Plus, they'd have to trade for a decent TE. Again, we know how that works with TT.

[Bretsky]

they all suck; losing Q doesn't hurt much....just one less marginal player

[KYPack]

Did Rodgers fuck up or did Clements want to see Q in the mix?

Noticed Dickrod the legend saw a lot of pine time for a good bit there.

[mraynrand]

BRING BLACK BOSTICK!!!

[Joemailman]

Quarless may be out 4-6 weeks with mcl sprain.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/329993861.html

I don't think Kuhn or Backman can replace his skill set. Backman isn't ready.


What about letting Q sit for 8 weeks (IR designated to return) so they can find a replacement (can Perillo block?) without dropping another player from roster.

How do you know Backman isn't ready? He's probably as ready as Q was in 2010 when he had to play as a rookie when Finley got hurt. This isn't an offense that relies heavily on TE production. Before last night, Q hadn't been targeted on a pass play. Now losing him is some huge problem? :roll:

[run pMc]

Two targets, two catches, 14 yards.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-green-bay-packers-20150928009/

Q is a solid #2 TE, that's it. He's not awful, but he's not elite and can be replaced for a couple of weeks if R.Rodgers stays healthy and Backman doesn't shit the bed. They're more likely to bring up Perillo than sign a street free agent -- Jermichael Finley isn't walking through the door, and they sure aren't trading for Martellus Bennett (fire sale!) or Jimmy Graham.

The trouble with bringing up Perillo is they have to release someone else from the roster..I think unless there's a bad injury somewhere else they go with 2 TEs and do some things with Kuhn/Rip.
Maybe they play Peppers at TE? LOL

[Harlan Huckleby]

How do you know Backman isn't ready?

He reportedly can't block at all. Maybe Backman is ready for some spot duty.


This isn't an offense that relies heavily on TE production. Before last night, Q hadn't been targeted on a pass play. Now losing him is some huge problem? :roll:
The issue is not TE production. The point is finding a body that can both block and catch a little. Nobody suggested it is a huge problem, you are rolling your eyes at a straw man.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No way do they waste the IR-DR option (they only get one) on such a replaceable guy.

I thought about that. It really doesn't matter how valuable the player is that you use the IR-DR on. It is 100% about maximizing # of roster spots. All that matters is that the player deserves a roster spot, and Q meets that threshold. If Clay Matthews gets hurt, there is no particular advantage to IR-DR rather than having him on inactive list.

The valid reason to not IR-DR Q is that he may only be out for 4 weeks. You really want to get the full 8-week roster bonus out of deal. Parking a healthy guy on IR-DR is a waste.

I like the IR-DR for Q because he is not a premium player. 8 weeks of a replacement guy might be OK.

[Harlan Huckleby]

IR - Quarless
IR /Designate to return - Adams
IR - Goodson

Room for Giuon
Bring up Perillo and Abracadbra

:thank:

Sounds OK. Only problem is you lose Adams for 8 weeks. He;s a pretty good player to ice that long if he is healthy in 3 weeks.

[Freak Out]

BRING BLACK BOSTICK!!!

He is available. :)

[George Cumby]

Fuggit, bring the kid back. I believe in redemption and second chances.

I'll bet my left nut he doesn't pull the same stoopit shit again.

[swede]

Fuggit, bring the kid back. I believe in redemption and second chances.

I'll bet my left nut he doesn't pull the same stoopit shit again.

And this time he might really REALLY live up to his potential. Really.

[Joemailman]

And this time he might really REALLY live up to his potential. Really.

Glad you found us again Swede. Not gonna happen with Bostick though. Couldn't think fast enough to keep up with no huddle offense. Too bad. He had Fuckdoggle written all over him.

[swede]

And this time he might really REALLY live up to his potential. Really.


Glad you found us again Swede. Not gonna happen with Bostick though. Couldn't think fast enough to keep up with no huddle offense. Too bad. He had Fuckdoggle written all over him.

I realize now I may have used one too many "really's" in my quest to replicate the multi-year experiment in optimism that was Bostick.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Not gonna happen with Bostick though. Couldn't think fast enough to keep up with no huddle offense.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/andrew-quarless-sprains-knee-out-of-action-for-at-least-a-month-b99586909z1-330029891.html
I saw a quote about Backman today that was a bit of a damning-with-faint-praise chuckle:

"(Backman) has done a nice job," tight ends coach Jerry Fontenot said last week. "He still needs to get a better, clearer understanding of schemes and things. But he does study and he's able to retain some information.

:shock: Actually the rest of statement was positive, I just found that line unfortunate.

Was listening to Mike Heller's radio show, he thought Q was headed to IR-DR.

I don't think the IR-DR option is a resource that you want to keep in your back pocket for later. On contrary, I think you want to use it on first player where it is a good fit. The IR-DR is a double-edged sword, you don't particularly want to park a great player there.

[pbmax]

[url]
I saw a quote about Backman today that was a bit of a damning-with-faint-praise chuckle:


That's called damning with Hawk praise on the Packers.

Bostick had Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson give up on him. That's not easy to come back from. I'm not saying they don't make mistakes, but they had at least two (three?) years to watch the kid not develop. He doesn't come back unless something else happens.

I don't agree that RichRod is less than decent at TE. He's picked up his blocking and Rodgers clearly trusts him. He does need to take making yourself open classes from Jones though.

McCarthy downplayed Q's prognosis, speaking only about this week. But I am doubt they add Guion and a TE this week.

[hoosier]

I thought about that. It really doesn't matter how valuable the player is that you use the IR-DR on. It is 100% about maximizing # of roster spots. All that matters is that the player deserves a roster spot, and Q meets that threshold. If Clay Matthews gets hurt, there is no particular advantage to IR-DR rather than having him on inactive list.

The valid reason to not IR-DR Q is that he may only be out for 4 weeks. You really want to get the full 8-week roster bonus out of deal. Parking a healthy guy on IR-DR is a waste.

I like the IR-DR for Q because he is not a premium player. 8 weeks of a replacement guy might be OK.

My point is that they could probably IR Quarless, sign a replacement off the street and not see much of a decline. Who, you ask? It doesn't matter.

[Patler]

Q might be an ideal candidate for IR-DR. As mentioned above, it is all about maximizing roster spots, and the Packers are getting close to having problems with active players. Bulaga, Adams, Burnett, Richardson, Goodson, Jones, all could be out in addition to Quarless. It would free up a spot for Guion, or someone else. In a few weeks the designation becomes irrelevant anyway. If it seems clear that Quarless will be out at least six weeks, you might as well use the designation.

[mraynrand]

My point is that they could probably IR Quarless, sign a replacement off the street and not see much of a decline. Who, you ask? It doesn't matter.

I agree. It's Perillo time. Perillo probably knows enough of the schemes and can put his beer barrel weight in there to block for the fatmobile.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I agree. It's Perillo time. Perillo probably knows enough of the schemes and can put his beer barrel weight in there to block for the fatmobile.

Well, Perillo is the same SIZE as Ron Kramer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uky6wCVY3U

[mraynrand]

"Ron Kramer is murdering the Giants from his TE spot"

He's like a Ray Lewis out there!

[Patler]

My point is that they could probably IR Quarless, sign a replacement off the street and not see much of a decline. Who, you ask? It doesn't matter.


I agree. It's Perillo time. Perillo probably knows enough of the schemes and can put his beer barrel weight in there to block for the fatmobile.


If another tight end is injured somewhere down the road, it might be nice to have an experienced guy, like Quarless, available. Nothing requires you to bring them back. Anyone really valuable they will want back as soon as possible, 6 or 7 instead of 8 weeks. I doubt they will use it for a starter, unless they really expect him to be out 10 or 12 weeks, but have hope that he might get back sooner.

Regardless of the player, since they will have at least four games in the books by the time another player might be injured, the usefulness of the designation will be gone very soon.

[Maxie the Taxi]

"Ron Kramer is murdering the Giants from his TE spot"

He's like a Ray Lewis out there!

Kramer was the original "Gronk."

[Not the best highlight film for Maxie the Taxi's punting though. Check it out at about 1:39. I blame the sloppy, slippery field. :grin:]

[Patler]

Kramer was the original "Gronk."


Then John Mackey came along, and everyone forgot Ron Kramer.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Then John Mackey came along, and everyone forgot Ron Kramer.

John who?:???::-)

[Tony Oday]

4th round Pick to the Bears for Martellus Bennet.

[pbmax]

Kramer was the original "Gronk."

[Not the best highlight film for Maxie the Taxi's punting though. Check it out at about 1:39. I blame the sloppy, slippery field. :grin:]

That game film must be where Mike Stock and Derrick Frost must have learned their trade.

I don't think anyone outside of Green Bay forgot about Ron Kramer directly. If they were like me and had to learn the from history, the only Packers that counted were Lombardi and Jerry Kramer. Maybe Bart Starr, but mostly because he was a coach at the time. When you got older and learned about Kenny Stabler, you heard about Paul Hornung. Browns fans knew who Jim Taylor was because they had to be ready at all times to defend Jim Brown as the greatest from that era. :lol:

Everyone then went about confusing Ron with Jerry Kramer because Jerry was all Dick Schaap could talk about.

You had to read Zimmerman or someone more steeped in actual football to learn about TE Kramer.

[hoosier]

Perillo probably knows enough of the schemes and can put his beer barrel weight in there to block for the fatmobile.

Nice image.

http://www.norrisology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/facebook_-2146256845wm.jpg

[Maxie the Taxi]

That game film must be where Mike Stock and Derrick Frost must have learned their trade.

I don't think anyone outside of Green Bay forgot about Ron Kramer directly. If they were like me and had to learn the from history, the only Packers that counted were Lombardi and Jerry Kramer. Maybe Bart Starr, but mostly because he was a coach at the time. When you got older and learned about Kenny Stabler, you heard about Paul Hornung. Browns fans knew who Jim Taylor was because they had to be ready at all times to defend Jim Brown as the greatest from that era. :lol:

Everyone then went about confusing Ron with Jerry Kramer because Jerry was all Dick Schaap could talk about.

You had to read Zimmerman or someone more steeped in actual football to learn about TE Kramer.

Hard for me to see these guys from a younger person's prospective, because I lived and died with the Pack during the Glory Years. At the time there was a lot of "who is the greater" type arguments: Taylor or Brown, Starr or Unitas, Adderley or Lem Barney, Nitschke or whoever, etc. Kramer was ahead of his time, the best tight end in his day IMO. It's hard to argue against the Packer players being the greatest. The best arguments against them was "they're great because the players surrounding them were great." Really? Maybe Taylor, Starr, Adderley, Robinson and Nitschke made the players around them great.

All I know is that at the time I wouldn't have traded ANY Packer star for their counterpart in the league.

By the way, McGee was actually a pretty good punter. He was famous for his freelanced fake punts, but he rarely made mistakes. One hell of an athlete who was probably the smartest guy on the team next to Starr.

[Patler]

Then John Mackey came along, and everyone forgot Ron Kramer.John who?:???::-)

Spoken like a true Packer fan!
(I think he played with another John or Johnny somebody at QB.)

[Bossman641]

I'd hate to use the IR-designation on Quarless. I believe the guy you use it on has to be out 8 weeks before he can return.

1 - Quarless isn't that good
2 - who knows who will get injured in the next few weeks. You could lose somebody week 7 and still bring them back at the end of the year.

Time for the FB to prove their worth.

[Patler]

Hard for me to see these guys from a younger person's prospective, because I lived and died with the Pack during the Glory Years. At the time there was a lot of "who is the greater" type arguments: Taylor or Brown, Starr or Unitas, Adderley or Lem Barney, Nitschke or whoever, etc. Kramer was ahead of his time, the best tight end in his day IMO. It's hard to argue against the Packer players being the greatest. The best arguments against them was "they're great because the players surrounding them were great." Really? Maybe Taylor, Starr, Adderley, Robinson and Nitschke made the players around them great.

All I know is that at the time I wouldn't have traded ANY Packer star for their counterpart in the league.

By the way, McGee was actually a pretty good punter. He was famous for his freelanced fake punts, but he rarely made mistakes. One hell of an athlete who was probably the smartest guy on the team next to Starr.

I agree with everything you wrote, and would add a number of other names to the "who is better" arguments that were common: the "Willies" on defense, Davis & Wood, as well as Henry Jordan and Forrest Gregg. What set the Packers apart is that the same Packers were in those debates for years, but the players against whom they were compared changed several times. For example, early in his career Adderley was compared to Lane, later in his career it was Barney. In the middle of his career guys like Fisher and LeBeau were compared to Adderley, but Adderley's greatness stood the test of time. The one Packer I remember who was compared to only one other for his entire career was Jim Taylor. The debate was Taylor vs Brown, with various occasional interlopers from time to time.

I agree that Ron Kramer was ahead of his time, and the best there was for a number of years; but when John Mackey got going, I think he took it to yet another level for TEs. As Kramer's career began winding down, about the time he went to Detroit, I remember admitting to myself that as good as Kramer had been, Mackey was/would be even better. (That was quite an admission for a Packer fan to make regarding a Colt, and one I have never made in the Unitas/Starr debate.)

[deake]

McGee was there before the glory years, it was 3 incomplete passes and "McGee in to punt". He didn't have to punt as much as in the glory years.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I agree with everything you wrote, and would add a number of other names to the "who is better" arguments that were common: the "Willies" on defense, Davis & Wood, as well as Henry Jordan and Forrest Gregg. What set the Packers apart is that the same Packers were in those debates for years, but the players against whom they were compared changed several times. For example, early in his career Adderley was compared to Lane, later in his career it was Barney. In the middle of his career guys like Fisher and LeBeau were compared to Adderley, but Adderley's greatness stood the test of time. The one Packer I remember who was compared to only one other for his entire career was Jim Taylor. The debate was Taylor vs Brown, with various occasional interlopers from time to time.

I agree that Ron Kramer was ahead of his time, and the best there was for a number of years; but when John Mackey got going, I think he took it to yet another level for TEs. As Kramer's career began winding down, about the time he went to Detroit, I remember admitting to myself that as good as Kramer had been, Mackey was/would be even better. (That was quite an admission for a Packer fan to make regarding a Colt, and one I have never made in the Unitas/Starr debate.)

I am still not willing to make that admission. :-)

I think Mackey benefited greatly from the pass-oriented offense of Unitas and company. The Packers were more rush first and pass second. Kramer was a blocker first. If Mackey played for the Pack and Kramer for the Colts, their stats might be reversed and today's John Mackey Award might be the Ron Kramer Award.

At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Patler]

McGee was the punter when teams had few if any specialists. When rosters expanded to 40 in the mid '60s, there was room for a punting specialist, a kicking specialist, etc. But, in his time, McGee was a pretty good punter, as was Boyd Dowler for a few years.

[Patler]

I am still not willing to make that admission. :-)

I think Mackey benefited greatly from the pass-oriented offense of Unitas and company. The Packers were more rush first and pass second. Kramer was a blocker first. If Mackey played for the Pack and Kramer for the Colts, their stats might be reversed and today's John Mackey Award might be the Ron Kramer Award.

At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I wouldn't argue strenuously against you, either. In some ways, Kramer may have made it possible for Mackey to be Mackey, by showing how an athletic TE could be a legitimate receiving threat. Kramer was a devastating blocker; of course, he was as big as any of the Packer's o-linemen at the time. Mackey wasn't quite as big, but was probably faster and almost impossible for one DB of that time to tackle. Great hands, too; although I remember Kramer as very sure-handed too.

[Maxie the Taxi]

By the way, Patler, you're so right about the "Who is better?" names you added. Of the four, only Gregg has occasionally got his due and he was the only one drafted. Davis and Jordan were perfect examples of players who came into their own after being traded to the Packers. Wood, of course, was the undrafted free agent made good. Despite all the big names around them, Davis, Jordan and Wood were the heart of that Packer defense (along with Nitschke)...and I mean "heart." Davis especially. I can't imagine that defense without him. IMO, Davis was the Reggie White of his era.

[Patler]

By the way, Patler, you're so right about the "Who is better?" names you added. Of the four, only Gregg has occasionally got his due and he was the only one drafted. Davis and Jordan were perfect examples of players who came into their own after being traded to the Packers. Wood, of course, was the undrafted free agent made good. Despite all the big names around them, Davis, Jordan and Wood were the heart of that Packer defense (along with Nitschke)...and I mean "heart." Davis especially. I can't imagine that defense without him. IMO, Davis was the Reggie White of his era.

Agreed. Not only was Wood undrafted, he had been a QB in college. Who could have expected he would be a tough-as-nails, big hitting, HOF safety? Lombardi, I guess.

[Fritz]

I agree with everything you wrote, and would add a number of other names to the "who is better" arguments that were common: the "Willies" on defense, Davis & Wood, as well as Henry Jordan and Forrest Gregg. What set the Packers apart is that the same Packers were in those debates for years, but the players against whom they were compared changed several times. For example, early in his career Adderley was compared to Lane, later in his career it was Barney. In the middle of his career guys like Fisher and LeBeau were compared to Adderley, but Adderley's greatness stood the test of time. The one Packer I remember who was compared to only one other for his entire career was Jim Taylor. The debate was Taylor vs Brown, with various occasional interlopers from time to time.

I agree that Ron Kramer was ahead of his time, and the best there was for a number of years; but when John Mackey got going, I think he took it to yet another level for TEs. As Kramer's career began winding down, about the time he went to Detroit, I remember admitting to myself that as good as Kramer had been, Mackey was/would be even better. (That was quite an admission for a Packer fan to make regarding a Colt, and one I have never made in the Unitas/Starr debate.)


Seriously did people debate Jim Taylor and Jim Brown? I was but a wisp of a lad in those years, but I recollect - mostly from reading in the late 60's and early 70's - that hands down, it was Jim Brown. In fact, as best my fuzzy memory can recall, Jim Brown and Gale Sayers were #1 and 1A. I thought Jim Taylor was more the fullback type, and Hornung the halfback.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My point is that they could probably IR Quarless, sign a replacement off the street and not see much of a decline. Who, you ask? It doesn't matter.

I think more of Q than most. He has the blocking and receiving skills to function as #1 TE if Dickrod goes down. I know he is a below average starter, but he was significantly better than other guys in camp last summer, as well as any street urchin.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Seriously did people debate Jim Taylor and Jim Brown? I was but a wisp of a lad in those years, but I recollect - mostly from reading in the late 60's and early 70's - that hands down, it was Jim Brown. In fact, as best my fuzzy memory can recall, Jim Brown and Gale Sayers were #1 and 1A. I thought Jim Taylor was more the fullback type, and Hornung the halfback.

Brown was a FB too, I think. Patler can answer with statistics, but it seems every year Taylor and Brown were vying for the rushing title. Brown's career numbers were probably better.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'd hate to use the IR-designation on Quarless. I believe the guy you use it on has to be out 8 weeks before he can return.

1 - Quarless isn't that good
2 - who knows who will get injured in the next few weeks. You could lose somebody week 7 and still bring them back at the end of the year.

Time for the FB to prove their worth.

It doesn't matter that Q is not that good - he's better than other options for a backup TE.
Your comment about losing Q for 8 weeks reminds me of the old restaurant joke, "The food is disgusting but the portions are generous."

I don't see the FBs being very functional at TE.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I don't see the FBs being very functional at TE.

Even though we've got two of them?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Even though we've got two of them?

If Mike Sherman can keep two punters, Mike McCarthy can keep two FBs. It's good to keep that T-formation in the bag of tricks.

[Patler]

Despite all the big names around them, Davis, Jordan and Wood were the heart of that Packer defense (along with Nitschke)...and I mean "heart." Davis especially. I can't imagine that defense without him. IMO, Davis was the Reggie White of his era.

Davis was special to that defense, no doubt. While Nitschke was their emotional leader, Davis always had the air of the man in charge, the CEO.

But the most under-appreciate Packer of the '60s may have been someone else altogether. A man I have argued about for years, who is just now receiving some appreciation as a result of Starr's comments a few years ago. An offense filled with HOF'ers like Ringo, Gregg, Starr, Hornung and Taylor, and widely recognized and appreciated all-pros like Thurston, R. Kramer, J. Kramer, McGee, Dale and Dowler, was captained by Bob Skoronski, a guy even many Packer fans quickly forgot. Funny thing is, if you ask many Packer fans who protected Starr's blind side, they will say Forrest Gregg; but it was Bob Skoronski, perhaps the least recognized and least remembered of the starters on offense under Lombardi.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Davis was special to that defense, no doubt. While Nitschke was their emotional leader, Davis always had the air of the man in charge, the CEO.

But the most under-appreciate Packer of the '60s may have been someone else altogether. A man I have argued about for years, who is just now receiving some appreciation as a result of Starr's comments a few years ago. An offense filled with HOF'ers like Gregg, Starr, Hornung and Taylor, and widely recognized and appreciated all-pros like Ringo, Thurston, R. Kramer, J. Kramer, McGee, Dale and Dowler, was captained by Bob Skoronski, a guy even many Packer fans quickly forgot. Funny thing is, if you ask many Packer fans who protected Starr's blind side, they will say Forrest Gregg; but it was Bob Skoronski, perhaps the least recognized and least remembered of the starters on offense under Lombardi.

Fascinating, and if I remember right, Skoronski shared time with Norm Masters as a regular.

[Patler]

Seriously did people debate Jim Taylor and Jim Brown? I was but a wisp of a lad in those years, but I recollect - mostly from reading in the late 60's and early 70's - that hands down, it was Jim Brown. In fact, as best my fuzzy memory can recall, Jim Brown and Gale Sayers were #1 and 1A. I thought Jim Taylor was more the fullback type, and Hornung the halfback.

Yes, Brown and Taylor were often debated, Brown usually (always) won!
Jim Brown was a fullback, too. In those days, the fullback was often the primary ball carrier.
Gale Sayers didn't get to the NFL until Brown's and Taylor's careers were mostly done.

[George Cumby]

So was Skoronski the Barney Fuckdoogle of the Lombardi years?

[Maxie the Taxi]

So was Skoronski the Barney Fuckdoogle of the Lombardi years?

Negative. That would be Chuck Mercein. Came out of nowhere to be a key player in the Ice Bowl.

[Patler]

Fascinating, and if I remember right, Skoronski shared time with Norm Masters as a regular.

Only a few years, I think. When Jerry Kramer missed a season due to almost dying, Gregg moved to RG, and I think Masters started at RT.

[pbmax]

Did Lombardi allow that almost dying was a good enough reason to miss practice? :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Seriously did people debate Jim Taylor and Jim Brown? I was but a wisp of a lad in those years, but I recollect - mostly from reading in the late 60's and early 70's - that hands down, it was Jim Brown. In fact, as best my fuzzy memory can recall, Jim Brown and Gale Sayers were #1 and 1A. I thought Jim Taylor was more the fullback type, and Hornung the halfback.



Brown, Jim (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimbrown/2510380/profile)
9 Years
1957 - 1965
Att:
2,359
Yds:
12,312
Avg:
5.2
TD:
106

1971







Taylor, Jim (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimtaylor/2527090/profile)
10 Years
1958 - 1967
Att:
1,941
Yds:
8,597
Avg:
4.4
TD:
83

1976




Again, their teams' respective offensive philosophies played a role. Brown was the focal point of the Cleveland offense. Taylor was one of many Green Bay weapons, though a very potent one.

[Patler]

Negative. That would be Chuck Mercein. Came out of nowhere to be a key player in the Ice Bowl.

Or perhaps Ben Wilson who had a solid Super Bowl for them after a similarly nondescript career before coming to GB.

[Patler]

Brown, Jim (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimbrown/2510380/profile)
9 Years
1957 - 1965
Att:
2,359
Yds:
12,312
Avg:
5.2
TD:
106

1971







Taylor, Jim (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimtaylor/2527090/profile)
10 Years
1958 - 1967
Att:
1,941
Yds:
8,597
Avg:
4.4
TD:
83

1976




Again, their teams' respective offensive philosophies played a role. Brown was the focal point of the Cleveland offense. Taylor was one of many Green Bay weapons, though a very potent one.

That, and the fact that Jim Brown was nearly just as good in every one of his 9 seasons, whereas Taylor didn't last as long as an effective back. In Taylor's prime, from '60-64, he put together 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. However, after that he wasn't the same player anymore. Brown never did put 5 together, but he did 4 seasons and three seasons, separated by one season with 900+.

[Bossman641]

It doesn't matter that Q is not that good - he's better than other options for a backup TE.
Your comment about losing Q for 8 weeks reminds me of the old restaurant joke, "The food is disgusting but the portions are generous."

I don't see the FBs being very functional at TE.

Quarless got 24 offensive snaps in week 1, 20 in week 2, and 14 in week 3 before he went down. That's not tag-worthy to me. I'd rather save it in case someone else gets injured. Especially the way this year is going when we are losing 2+ players a week.

[sharpe1027]

Quarless got 24 offensive snaps in week 1, 20 in week 2, and 14 in week 3 before he went down. That's not tag-worthy to me. I'd rather save it in case someone else gets injured. Especially the way this year is going when we are losing 2+ players a week.

Do you propose just cutting him? If not, you might as well use the exception so he doesn't take up a roster spot.

[Patler]

In the years 1960, 1961 & 1962 Taylor actually outgained Brown 3,882 to 3,661. Brown was injured some in '62, but even so their performance were similar for those three years.

year -Taylor/Brown

1960 - 1101/1257
1961 - 1307/1408
1962 - 1474/996

Brown played three more seasons, gained nearly 5,000 yards and retired. Taylor gained just short of 3,000 yards those three season and about 1100 the two season safter that. At the starts of their careers, Brown gained nearly 4,000 yards, Taylor less than 1,000.

Brown was hands down better at the start and end of his career than Taylor was. But for a few years in the middle of their careers it was reasonable to ask who was the better back.

[Patler]

Do you propose just cutting him? If not, you might as well use the exception so he doesn't take up a roster spot.

I think many are arguing they should stick him on regular IR for the balance of the season.
I think the difference between Quarless and whomever they might sign to replace him is a bit more than people allow themselves to believe.

[Patler]

Quarless got 24 offensive snaps in week 1, 20 in week 2, and 14 in week 3 before he went down. That's not tag-worthy to me. I'd rather save it in case someone else gets injured. Especially the way this year is going when we are losing 2+ players a week.

Quarless' value has generally been more late in the season than early in the season. When the Packers want to emphasize running more, I suspect Quarless will play more.

There is a wild card in all this. Quarless has a court date in October. He could also be facing a suspension. Add that to the mandatory 8 weeks of IR-DR and it might not make sense to use it on him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Quarless got 24 offensive snaps in week 1, 20 in week 2, and 14 in week 3 before he went down. That's not tag-worthy to me. I'd rather save it in case someone else gets injured. Especially the way this year is going when we are losing 2+ players a week.

But all "tag-worthy" means is a player you want on a roster, there truly is no advantage in saving for use on a better player. A better player likely is better off carried on inactive list. The IR-DR is most useful early in season, and will soon be irrelevant.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think many are arguing they should stick him on regular IR for the balance of the season.
I think the difference between Quarless and whomever they might sign to replace him is a bit more than people allow themselves to believe.

Quarless was not bad last season, his role is not to be a pass catching machine.

I think Q's offseason urban hunting accident has hardened attitudes against him among the hoi polloi (the restless savages.)

[Harlan Huckleby]

There is a wild card in all this. Quarless has a court date in October. He could also be facing a suspension. Add that to the mandatory 8 weeks of IR-DR and it might not make sense to use it on him.

I forgot about that.

Can his ass!

[sharpe1027]

I think many are arguing they should stick him on regular IR for the balance of the season.
I think the difference between Quarless and whomever they might sign to replace him is a bit more than people allow themselves to believe.

Sorry, I equated full-IR to cutting in my head. They are not the same. Poor communication skills on my part. My point being, unless they expect to shelf him for the year, they might as well use it on him. I argue that it is better to use the designation on someone of mediocre value. A roster spot counts the same regardless of the quality of the player. Plus, on the off chance they make a quick comeback, it would suck to have superstar unavailable.

[Bossman641]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-roster-moves/article-1/Packers-place-Quarless-on-Injured-Reserve-%E2%80%93-designated-for-return/d93f3363-4726-4157-9266-f9fba5d1d663


The Green Bay Packers have placed TE Andrew Quarless on injured reserve – designated for return

[Smidgeon]

Quarless may be out 4-6 weeks with mcl sprain.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/329993861.html

I don't think Kuhn or Backman can replace his skill set. Backman isn't ready.


What about letting Q sit for 8 weeks (IR designated to return) so they can find a replacement (can Perillo block?) without dropping another player from roster.

Well, you called it. Well done.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Even a blind squirrel gathers no moss.

Unfortunately, patler convinced me to sell Q short moments before his stock soared.

[hoosier]

Crap, now we are going to be anticipating the return of Andrew Quarless. I wonder if they can get their DR designation back if Q gets suspended while he's on it. Kind of like recovering a signing bonus or something.

[mraynrand]

Crap, now we are going to be anticipating the return of Andrew Quarless.

I'm not.

http://media.cineblog.it/i/i-c/i-cultissimi-di-cineblog-brian-di-nazareth-di-terry-jones-recensione-e-foto-gallery/big_brian12_01.jpg

[red]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzRO5Eidqs&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

[mraynrand]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzRO5Eidqs&feature=youtu.be

how shall we fuck off, oh Lord?

[red]

One of my favorite movie scenes of all time :)

[KYPack]

There is very little out there for FA TE's.

The Falcons just signed Mickey Shuler JR, fer instance.

Maxie, keep that old school rollin'. This a great thread. In fact, start one.

Jim Brown is the greatest NFL player I've ever seen.

[mraynrand]

Jim Brown is the greatest NFL player I've ever seen.

A not too well known fact about Jim Brown is that he was only tackled three times.

[pbmax]

A not too well known fact about Jim Brown is that he was only tackled three times.

Successfully tackled by an opponent, yes. The other times he stopped were cases of extreme sportsmanship.

[pbmax]

"Ron Kramer is murdering the Giants from his TE spot"

He's like a Ray Lewis out there!

The post in another thread of David McCullough, I mean John Chancellor, reminded me that the voice in Rand's newsreel is Chris Schenkel, famous to me for being the ABC play by play guy for the Pro Bowlers tour. Nelson Burton Jr. was the expert commentator.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/99/a5/b5/99a5b51c193acc03942db3ef141137b2.jpg

[Harlan Huckleby]

Juicy details from Silverstein

Quarless remains subject to NFL suspension due to an off-field incident in which he allegedly fired off a gun in public. According to a source, it would be possible for Quarless to serve the suspension during the time he is on injured reserve if one comes down during that period.

It would essentially mean he would not receive pay for however many games he was suspended but wouldn't have to sit out any games. Quarless may already know whether he has been suspended and be in the appeal phase.

The NFL does not announce suspensions until an appeal is exhausted.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/330164781.html

So the sooner that suspension comes down the better.

[mraynrand]

Successfully tackled by an opponent, yes. The other times he stopped were cases of extreme sportsmanship.

No. He either scored or ran out of bounds (which was also rare). Just look at all the tape out there. The man was never tackled.

[mraynrand]

Chris Schenkel, famous to me for being the ABC play by play guy for the Pro Bowlers tour.

Where is Earl Anthony?

Schenkel also did the Olympics "Dashing, Beautiful, Comely, Chartreuse Peggy Fleming"

[HarveyWallbangers]

This Annen character was a favorite of mine in last year's draft. Decent size and a good athlete. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the active roster some day.

[pbmax]

Where is Earl Anthony?

Schenkel also did the Olympics "Dashing, Beautiful, Comely, Chartreuse Peggy Fleming"

That's right. Then Jim Lampley eventually got involved and fisticuffs broke out.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This Annen character was a favorite of mine in last year's draft. Decent size and a good athlete. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the active roster some day.

Same here. Guy has made a living off a 4.41 40 at his Pro Day. Didn't play much in college and always been with teams loaded with TE's. Green Bay could be good opportunity. See him working the seam at the 1:26 mark in the Northwestern game and making a tough red zone catch at the 2:34 mark in Purdue game.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/5/19/5714176/eagles-draft-picks-blake-annen-rookie-profile

http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/5/7/5688430/blake-annen-the-latest-freak-tight-end-for-the-bearcats

[mraynrand]

Negative. That would be Chuck Mercein. Came out of nowhere to be a key player in the Ice Bowl.

I agree. I was thinking of starting a thread on the number one Packer Fuckdoogle for all time, and Mercein may be the guy (can't really include guys before the 60's because most of those guys were fuckdoogles - playing football in the fall and working on the docks, in the tanneries, or hoofing it on the insurance trail in the off-seasons).

[mraynrand]

This Annen character was a favorite of mine in last year's draft. Decent size and a good athlete. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the active roster some day.

Annen will be playing Anon.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I agree. I was thinking of starting a thread on the number one Packer Fuckdoogle for all time, and Mercein may be the guy (can't really include guys before the 60's because most of those guys were fuckdoogles - playing football in the fall and working on the docks, in the tanneries, or hoofing it on the insurance trail in the off-seasons).

Thanks for seconding my motion, Rand. (By the way, I don't want to be a stickler for form, but your spelling of Fuckdoogle doesn't comport with the original: fuckdoggle. Just wondering if this is by design, given your one-time status as Supreme Fuckdoggle Leader, or whether it's an oversight. I must admit, fuckdoogle does have a better ring to it.) :-)

[mraynrand]

Thanks for seconding my motion, Rand. (By the way, I don't want to be a stickler for form, but your spelling of Fuckdoogle doesn't comport with the original: fuckdoggle. Just wondering if this is by design, given your one-time status as Supreme Fuckdoggle Leader, or whether it's an oversight. I must admit, fuckdoogle does have a better ring to it.) :-)

As a deposed leader, I am fomenting insurrection. The first order of business is to confuse the people about the spelling and then the meaning of words. He who controls the language, controls the masses.

[sharpe1027]

Quarless on IR designated to return.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-roster-moves/article-1/Packers-place-Quarless-on-Injured-Reserve-–-designated-for-return/d93f3363-4726-4157-9266-f9fba5d1d663

[George Cumby]

Thanks for seconding my motion, Rand. (By the way, I don't want to be a stickler for form, but your spelling of Fuckdoogle doesn't comport with the original: fuckdoggle. Just wondering if this is by design, given your one-time status as Supreme Fuckdoggle Leader, or whether it's an oversight. I must admit, fuckdoogle does have a better ring to it.) :-)

I was under the impression that once "fuckdoggle" became a thing, an award, the term then became a proper noun and therefore merited capitalization.

And Rand, as odious as he was/is, may be a preferable alternative to the despot now in charge.

Be careful for what you wish for, every solution breeds new problems and all that.

[sharpe1027]

I was under the impression that once "fuckdoggle" became a thing, an award, the term then became a proper noun and therefore merited capitalization.

And Rand, as odious as he was/is, may be a preferable alternative to the despot now in charge.

Be careful for what you wish for, every solution breeds new problems and all that.

Rand was much more preferable. Too bad that ship has sailed.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I was under the impression that once "fuckdoggle" became a thing, an award, the term then became a proper noun and therefore merited capitalization.

And Rand, as odious as he was/is, may be a preferable alternative to the despot now in charge.

Be careful for what you wish for, every solution breeds new problems and all that.

At the risk of appearing the foolish victim of sarcasm, I would point out that it is not capitalization, but the omission of a "g" and the addition of an "o" that seemed an egregious violation at the time.

Now, of course, I'm cool with Rand's hijinks and fomentation at the mouth. Yours as well, if that be the case.

[Fritz]

Crap, now we are going to be anticipating the return of Andrew Quarless. I wonder if they can get their DR designation back if Q gets suspended while he's on it. Kind of like recovering a signing bonus or something.


I saw something in a JSO blog, I think, that suggested it might be possible for Quarless to serve whatever suspension he gets while he's on IR.

Maybe Ted's got this all parsed out.

I hope so, cuz wouldn't it suck if Q. came back after his designated IR time was up, been practicing for the two weeks allowed prior, only to get suspended for three games or something upon his return?

Doh!

[George Cumby]

At the risk of appearing the foolish victim of sarcasm, I would point out that it is not capitalization, but the omission of a "g" and the addition of an "o" that seemed an egregious violation at the time.

Now, of course, I'm cool with Rand's hijinks and fermentation at the mouth. Yours as well, if that be the case.

FTFY.

[pbmax]

I want to believe that Quarless serving a suspension on IR-DTR is going to drive other fans nuts. But it has to have happened before.

Too bad; winning and getting away with something (even just the whiff of it) is intoxicating. Just ask the Patriots.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I want to believe that Quarless serving a suspension on IR-DTR is going to drive other fans nuts. But it has to have happened before.

Too bad; winning and getting away with something (even just the whiff of it) is intoxicating. Just ask the Patriots.

The big punishment for Q is he loses pay and lots of it. It's true that the Packer fans and team catch a break, but those are innocent parties.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It looks like for this weekend the Pack will activate Backman. Maybe use Josh Walker sometimes.

I'm guessing they bring-up Perillo or add a player next week who can be a full-featured TE in case DickRod stubs a toe.

Who knows, maybe Backman will get some passes and become the new darling for an award of some sort. Or perhaps Perillo/Other will be as good as Q. We'll have 8 games to see. Let the scary post-Quarless era begin!

[Tony Oday]

Do we even need a TE? Run and Shoot!

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/337727791.html

Quarless was supposed to go to trial this week. The trial got delayed until Nov 30. This means he'll likely have to serve any suspension during late season. This is a crummy development.

[Joemailman]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/337727791.html

Quarless was supposed to go to trial this week. The trial got delayed until Nov 30. This means he'll likely have to serve any suspension during late season. This is a crummy development.

The NFL tends to take their time with these things. If the trial doesn't start until Nov. 30, there's probably a good chance any suspension would be put off until next season.

[Patler]

Will there even be a suspension for this? For a misdemeanor of discharging a firearm in public? If there is, I imagine it will be short, perhaps a game. Apparently he didn't threaten anyone.

I wonder why the trail was postponed. Seems like it would be a good time to get it out of the way, while he isn't practicing anyway.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Quarless gets to play one game before his court date. I think it's impossible to predict what the suspension will be, odd situation. I sure wish it would have gotten settled sooner than later, and I doubt the delay was Quarless's choice.

I think the offense misses a credible #2 TE.

[mraynrand]

I think the offense misses a credible #2 TE.

Not as much as it misses a credible #1 TE.

[Patler]

Not as much as it misses a credible #1 TE.

Good point.

[Harlan Huckleby]

One might say the offense has too much #2 at TE

[mraynrand]

One might say the offense has too much #2 at TE

ha ha, good one! :)

That Perrillo guy actually makes me believe it is possible to carry 30-40 pounds of undigested meat in your gut.

[gbgary]

Not as much as it misses a credible #1 TE.

:rs:

[Patler]

This doesn't bode well for Quarless:


"Cowboys running back Joseph Randle was deemed to have violated the NFL's personal-conduct policy for a recent arrest in Wichita, Kansas. He received the report (Wednesday), which was part of the reason he exited the Cowboys facility. The charges were dropped, but the league kept investigating. He faces a one- or two-game suspension (not a six-game suspension because it's not domestic violence related), or he could be potentially fined. The main offense is firearm related. The NFL and NFL Players Association are in discussions now about a potential settlement to Randle's issue."

[pbmax]

Perhaps despite recent assurances that this will be the last delay, lawyers can find another way to delay. Its part of their DNA.

[Tony Oday]

Is there a good TE in college?

[Patler]

Is there a good TE in college?

I don't know, let's check the basketball rosters. That's where the good ones come from, isn't it? :-)

[Harlan Huckleby]

Denver traded sixth-round picks in 2016 and 2017 for Vernon Davis.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14039472/vernon-davis-san-francisco-49ers-traded-denver-broncos

I think most people would say it is too much to pay for an old guy who has not shown much this year. I'd be OK if TT had taken this chance. James Jones needs a guy his age to keep him company.

I'm not sure that DickRod is better than Quarless.

[sharpe1027]

Denver traded sixth-round picks in 2016 and 2017 for Vernon Davis.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14039472/vernon-davis-san-francisco-49ers-traded-denver-broncos

I think most people would say it is too much to pay for an old guy who has not shown much this year. I'd be OK if TT had taken this chance. James Jones needs a guy his age to keep him company.

James Jones ran like a TE on Sunday.

[Patler]

Age old question, does Davis have anything left, or not? I haven't watched him at all the last couple years, but his #s haven't been anything since 2013. He missed two games this year because of a bad knee, and he didn't start an early season game even though healthy. Elway apparently thinks he still has something left. If he does, he would have been a nice pickup for GB.

[Pugger]

Denver traded sixth-round picks in 2016 and 2017 for Vernon Davis.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14039472/vernon-davis-san-francisco-49ers-traded-denver-broncos

I think most people would say it is too much to pay for an old guy who has not shown much this year. I'd be OK if TT had taken this chance. James Jones needs a guy his age to keep him company.

I'm not sure that DickRod is better than Quarless.

Q is a better blocker that RichRod is.

[Pugger]

Age old question, does Davis have anything left, or not? I haven't watched him at all the last couple years, but his #s haven't been anything since 2013. He missed two games this year because of a bad knee, and he didn't start an early season game even though healthy. Elway apparently thinks he still has something left. If he does, he would have been a nice pickup for GB.

I found it rather curious SF let him go for so little.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Q is a better blocker that RichRod is.
He runs better too.
Dick has better hands.

[pbmax]

When did this version of the O Line become so terrible at run blocking? Remember with Bach and Barclay they clobbered people with Lacy and Starks?

[esoxx]

It's telling that a stumblebum like DickRod played 95% of the offensive snaps Sunday night.

The result of so much field time? Two catches, 16 yards, horrible blocking.

TE problem in GB indeed.

[Maxie the Taxi]

When did this version of the O Line become so terrible at run blocking? Remember with Bach and Barclay they clobbered people with Lacy and Starks?

When Denver started playing 11 men in the box.:sad:

[sharpe1027]

It's telling that a stumblebum like DickRod played 95% of the offensive snaps Sunday night.

The result of so much field time? Two catches, 16 yards, horrible blocking.

TE problem in GB indeed.

This was odd to me. They lined him up at the traditional TE spot, out wide, and in the backfield. He was largely ineffective at all positions. The question is, who do they put in that is better? Nobody stands out. They seem to short one starter at the moment.

That being said, I have to imagine that Abby would have been better at getting open and Janis would have brought something different as well. Not saying either should have got the 95% in RR's place, but how about just mixing it up some? They seemed more static in their personnel groupings than in the past.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Is Quarless in a prison somewhere?

[Joemailman]

Is Quarless in a prison somewhere?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/353194541.html


Tight end Andrew Quarless is eligible to play this week after being placed on injured reserve/designated to return, though it appears unlikely he will feature against the Bears.

Quarless was eligible to practice after six weeks on IR/designated to return but has not taken the field. He typically does rehab work and goes through light drills off to the side.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The fact that he is not playing suggests to me his legal situation is far from clear. Which is to say murky.

[red]

quarless, the answer to none of our TE problems

yet still brings more problems to the table

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm anxious to see what he can do; No denying that he can run routes better than the Rod. I just wonder what is going on.

Perrillo is OK, but when he was not even able to garner support for a fuckdoggle award despite 5 catches and a critical TD, I sorta lost confidence in him.

[mraynrand]

I want Abracadabra and the Fatman!

[pbmax]

I am pretty sure I watched Jared and the Fatman during my youth.

[Joemailman]

I want Abracadabra and the Fatman!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH850qp85Zk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICq9lEqj4cI

[K-town]

Jake and The Fatman? William Conrad and Joe Penne?

[mraynrand]

I am pretty sure I watched Jared and the Fatman during my youth.

Jared watched to the youth. 15 years worth.

[red]

Jared watched to the youth. 15 years worth.

and he was once fat

[Pugger]

The fact that he is not playing suggests to me his legal situation is far from clear. Which is to say murky.

Or perhaps we didn't activate him because of this is a short week and he'll be back for the Detroit game next week?

[Patler]

The fact that he is not playing suggests to me his legal situation is far from clear. Which is to say murky.

It suggests to me that the medical staff has not cleared him. Just because he is eligible to practice or play doesn't mean he is physically ready.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe it's that simple. But it was estimated to be a 4-week injury, and 8 weeks have passed.

[red]

Maybe it's that simple. But it was estimated to be a 4-week injury, and 8 weeks have passed.

sooo, he's right on schedule then to play in a few weeks with our medical stuff

[Harlan Huckleby]

sooo, he's right on schedule then to play in a few weeks with our medical stuff

Reggie White is gone, but don't underestimate the healing powers of the staff.

http://photos.costume-works.com/full/witch_doctor.jpg

[Patler]

Maybe it's that simple. But it was estimated to be a 4-week injury, and 8 weeks have passed.

I think Montgomery was originally said to be day-to-day, and he is going on 6 weeks now. That's why I wasn't really kidding in another thread when I said Abbrederis' (or is it Abbrederis's?) prognosis of "several weeks" would morph into season ending.

[smuggler]

Did they actually say Monty was day-to-day? Anyone viewing the injury would know better. I thought he was done for the year.

[Patler]

Did they actually say Monty was day-to-day? Anyone viewing the injury would know better. I thought he was done for the year.

Yup, a few days after the injury they said it wasn't bad, and he would be back soon.

Isn't he the one who practiced a couple days last week, then had to drop out?

[red]

Yup that was him. Looked ready to play, then had a "setback"

[Carolina_Packer]

Unfortunately, if you look at the draft prospects, there is nobody to get super excited about. Of course this is the Packers. They tend to find guys that are not on everyone's radar. Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Justin Perillo, Kennard Backman...no quite enough. Anyone from the link below that excites you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/TE

[pbmax]

Monty definitely has a setback, he dropped out of a practice last week the day after having his first full workout.

I think Quarless has practiced but is not now. So my guess is that he too has had a setback.

[Patler]

I think Quarless has practiced but is not now. So my guess is that he too has had a setback.

I don't think he ever did practice. Has just been doing work on the side.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'll be surprised if Monty comes back in a game this season at this point.

[Teamcheez1]

I'll be surprised if Monty comes back in a game this season at this point.

If Monty and Quarless are not ready to play, let's move on and bring up a practice squad player or sign someone from another team's practice squad.

[red]

i believe jarrett boykins is still unemployed

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Quarless has practiced but is not now. So my guess is that he too has had a setback.

There is a method to my mad speculations. From old reports, Quarless was eligible for the Bears game, but then his hearing (trial?) was scheduled for just a few days later. That lead me to wonder if the Packers don't want to try to integrate the rusty Q back into the offense until they know for sure he'll really be available.

[pbmax]

There is a method to my mad speculations. From old reports, Quarless was eligible for the Bears game, but then his hearing (trial?) was scheduled for just a few days later. That lead me to wonder if the Packers don't want to try to integrate the rusty Q back into the offense until they know for sure he'll really be available.

They can start the clock on him practicing in a three week window at any point. Until the 3 weeks is up, the roster spot is extra.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They can start the clock on him practicing in a three week window at any point. Until the 3 weeks is up, the roster spot is extra.

I see. That explains why it is painless for TT to delay Quarless's activation but we still don't know why they don't play him now. Could be the obvious - he's still hurt; could be they are concerned about whether he'll be suspended; maybe TT is even considering keeping Perrillo ahead of him.

[pbmax]

Tryptophan poisoning explains this post

[pbmax]

nm