Week 4 Other Games

[pbmax]

Steelers - Ravens

That classic Steeler connection of Mike Vick da Great to Darrius Heyward-Bey. Ah, the memories.

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[red]

Tomlin pulls a classic MM, gets a 13 point lead in the he third and goes into " run out the clock mode

And now we're going to overtime

When did NFL coaches collectively lose their balls?

[red]

What the fuck just happened?

Was that a terrorist?

[pbmax]

What the fuck just happened?

Was that a terrorist?

What are you on about?

Will Hill's tackle?

Mostly I think Pittsburgh was afraid of Michael Vick passing. Which is why they put the ball in his hands on both fourth downs. Who needs Bell?

[smuggler]

Fucking dumbass Steelers. Scobee barely misses two FG that drifted wide with the wind and they pass on a 49 yard attempt to win the game in overtime. Dumb.

[Pugger]

What is laughable is they give Vick the ball on 4th and short instead of Bell. Both teams looked like losers IMO.

[Maxie the Taxi]

What is more laughable is that I turned off the game and went to bed with two minutes left in the 4th quarter. LOL

[red]

What are you on about?

Will Hill's tackle?

Mostly I think Pittsburgh was afraid of Michael Vick passing. Which is why they put the ball in his hands on both fourth downs. Who needs Bell?

It must have been a local thing. Right towards the end of regulation when the steelers needed a first down to end the game, some random asshole pops up on the screen like a weather guy. He starts laughing, then spinning around, then he multiplies.

After like 30 seconds or a minute there's like ten of the this asshole on the screen spinning and you can't even see what's going on behind him. Then the screen went black. When the picture came back, it was the steelers ball

[Maxie the Taxi]

It must have been a local thing. Right towards the end of regulation when the steelers needed a first down to end the game, some random asshole pops up on the screen like a weather guy. He starts laughing, then spinning around, then he multiplies.

After like 30 seconds or a minute there's like ten of the this asshole on the screen spinning and you can't even see what's going on behind him. Then the screen went black. When the picture came back, it was the steelers ball

What were you drinking last night, Red?

[sharpe1027]

What were you drinking last night, Red?

More importantly, do you have any of it left over to share?

[red]

Nothing at all, that's why it freaked me out

[hoosier]

Nothing at all, that's why it freaked me out


http://www.migraine-aura.com/site/content/e27891/e27265/e42285/e42442/e42444/e42462/e49647/LSD_Flesh_of_devil_en_small_400_en.bmp

[Joemailman]

Looks like Colts have no Luck this week.

[Fritz]

You know, with all those busty sex bombshells on those movie posters warning of the dangers of drugs, I'd have wanted even more of those drugs in the world.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Just saw Fletcher Cox tackle a Redskin by the hair....I love it, though it is a bit ironic.

[mraynrand]

Just saw Fletcher Cox tackle a Redskin by the hair....I love it, though it is a bit ironic.

Harris (Giants) has a whole lot of hair to tackle

[mraynrand]

Take it to the House (interference)!

[mraynrand]

K.C.'s Abdullah Oblongata burned by Cincy...

[mraynrand]

COLTS want the ball and they're gonna score!

[Guiness]

COLTS want the ball and they're gonna score!

I assume Hasselbeck got the start? I figure he's about as suprised, and happy about it as Vick was last year when they put him down on the line up card.

[mraynrand]

Man is Andy Reid super-sized. Is he wearing a moo moo?

Whoa! I think I just saw something start to orbit around Reid. He's on his way to becoming a singularity.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Man is Andy Reid super-sized. Is he wearing a moo moo?

I once was wearing this cool African Dashiki shirt to some outdoor event. At least I thought I was cool. This young woman I knew said she liked my moo moo, which she meant as compliment. I went from struttin African King - all chest, no discernable belly - to fat cross-dresser in 5 seconds.

[pbmax]

Tyrod Taylor is not the answer.

[Guiness]

So does the league ignore Suh's foot being involved in a second player's helmet coming off this year?

[red]

So does the league ignore Suh's foot being involved in a second player's helmet coming off this year?

of course they do

its amazing that anytime suh is close to the play, someone gets kicked in the head

i saw it happen live and i was surprised they didn't talk about it. at first suh like he's trying to avoid any contact with fitz, but anytime his foot or knee make contact with another players head, you have to be suspect. it just seems to "happen" all the time with him

[Rastak]

Bears actually putting up a fight.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Bears actually putting up a fight.

And there's your late game interception.

Damn, I want all the NFC-N teams to be competitive.

[red]

lol, of course they play an add for pizza hut during the bears game, WHILST they're showing an uno's pizza

stay classy CBS, if i'm PH, i'm asking for my money back

[red]

Fuck you eli, and you're also inbred brother

https://themeatlockersports.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/eli-face-11.jpg

[pbmax]

Gumble should get a lot of grief for selecting Uno's from all the deep dish pizza places in Chicago.

[Rastak]

Ha ha....Indy does the freeze the kicker when he missed it by a mile.

[red]

Gumble should get a lot of grief for selecting Uno's from all the deep dish pizza places in Chicago.

i prefer connies

[Rastak]

Bears take the lead.

[red]

fucking bears

[Rastak]

Indy in OT, those guys sure suck this year.

[Rastak]

fucking bears


They seem to rise up every once in a while at home.

[red]

LOL

that might have been the worst final play i've ever seen

[Iron Mike]

Fuck off, Teddy Bongwater!!!!

[Rastak]

Fuck off, Teddy Bongwater!!!!


3 point loss on the road.....I gotta tell you, that Den defense is REALLY tough. If you guys play 'em, have fun.

[Joemailman]

3 point loss on the road.....I gotta tell you, that Den defense is REALLY tough. If you guys play 'em, have fun.

Packers play them November 1. Definitely don't want to get into a lot of must-pass situations against those guys.

[smuggler]

In a month, Peyton will probably knee deep in macaroni. Their offensive line isn't that hot either.

[esoxx]

3 point loss on the road.....I gotta tell you, that Den defense is REALLY tough. If you guys play 'em, have fun.

We will.

[ThunderDan]

NO misses a 30 yard FG to win the game with 16 seconds left. Hit the left upright like a Crosby shot.

[mraynrand]

NO misses a 30 yard FG to win the game with 16 seconds left. Hit the left upright like a Crosby shot.

As Shakespeare said "First, kill all the kickers."


Still, game over!

[mraynrand]

Ah, the exact outcome I wanted - Weeden got to look good at the end, and Dallas still loses.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, 80 yard TD throw on the 2nd play. Victory NO.

[HarveyWallbangers]

3 point loss on the road.....I gotta tell you, that Den defense is REALLY tough. If you guys play 'em, have fun.

Manning did all he could to keep the Vikings in the game. He looks like a shell of himself. Goes back to the middle of last year.

[mraynrand]

Manning did all he could to keep the Vikings in the game.

did the same for a half vs KC. How he rallied in that game is beyond me, but they would never have won that game without a great defensive effort and huge KC mistakes.

Manning is getting by on his accumulated wiles and tricks.

[mraynrand]

In case you missed it:


SAN DIEGO, Calif. -- Quarterback Josh McCown matched five-time Pro Bowl quarterback Philip Rivers almost point for point, but it wasn't enough in the end after Tramon Williams jumped offside on a last-second field attempt.

The Browns lost to the San Diego Chargers, 30-27, Sunday on a 34-yard field goal as time expired after McCown brought them back time and again. The kick was a Mulligan after Browns cornerback Williams jumped offside on the first attempt, a 39-yarder that sailed wide right.

Cleveland does something to a man, and it usually isn't good. #factoryofsadness

[Guiness]

PFT is pretty convinced Philbin is done in Miami, and the coach their suggesting as a replacement is pretty funny -

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/suhs-shoe-choice-at-practice-seen-by-teammates-as-a-message/

Sherman! I sure didn't expect to see his name mentioned ever again...

[Pugger]

did the same for a half vs KC. How he rallied in that game is beyond me, but they would never have won that game without a great defensive effort and huge KC mistakes.

Manning is getting by on his accumulated wiles and tricks.

He's getting by because of his defense.

[mraynrand]

He's getting by because of his defense.

That's what is saving the team (as I mentioned). Manning himself is only staying on the field due to his bag of tricks and accumulated wisdom.

[Cheesehead Craig]

In other news, Winston is awful.

[Zool]

In other news, Winston is awful.

JaMarcus Winston will probably never be good. He'll eat himself out of the league in 3 years.

[Fritz]

Seahawks minus Lynch tonight - in a game the Lions will be desperate for. This should be a good one. We'll see if that Detroit O-line can get anything going tonight.

[hoosier]

Seahawks minus Lynch tonight - in a game the Lions will be desperate for. This should be a good one. We'll see if that Detroit O-line can get anything going tonight.

Detroit has looked awful so far this year. Their offense has been worse than last year's uninspired group, and the defense has lost its bite. Do they miss Suh and Fairly that much, or is it that plus Levy? I see the Seahawks winning handily, 24-3.

[pbmax]

Scott Linehan doesn't get enough credit for making this team's offense good. That guy can flat out coach an O.

The Cowboys nearly beat Brees with Brandon Weeden as their starter.

[Patler]

PFT is pretty convinced Philbin is done in Miami, and the coach their suggesting as a replacement is pretty funny -

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/suhs-shoe-choice-at-practice-seen-by-teammates-as-a-message/

Sherman! I sure didn't expect to see his name mentioned ever again...

Wasn't there an article about Sherman last summer, in which he said he was done moving? I think it said he had offers, but turned them done. I think he took a high school HC job where he is living,

[Fritz]

Detroit has looked awful so far this year. Their offense has been worse than last year's uninspired group, and the defense has lost its bite. Do they miss Suh and Fairly that much, or is it that plus Levy? I see the Seahawks winning handily, 24-3.


I think the Lions' defensive coordinator used Suh better than the Dolphins have used him, and his loss, plus Andre Levy not playing, has killed this defense.

The offensive line is young, but Seattle is a tough place to try to come of age.

[pbmax]

I think the Lions' defensive coordinator used Suh better than the Dolphins have used him, and his loss, plus Andre Levy not playing, has killed this defense.

The offensive line is young, but Seattle is a tough place to try to come of age.

The Lions were complaining this week about it being a 2 gapping system. DC however is down a healthy Cameron Wake and someone else, so the pass rush is not what it was anyway.

[Rastak]

Manning did all he could to keep the Vikings in the game. He looks like a shell of himself. Goes back to the middle of last year.

Completely agree. If they didn't have that defense they would be pretty mediocre. Since they do have that D, they are a tough team to play.

[red]

yeah, i've watched a lot of manning this year because he's on my FF team. he has no arm left, he underthrows almost everything or throws behind his target

the only way he's putting up good numbers is because his receivers are making huge plays for him

ala the favre raider game after his dad died. favre made a lot of horrible throws in that game, but the receivers(especially javon) made some incredible plays to make favre look much better then he was that night

[SMBASS]

Completely agree. If they didn't have that defense they would be pretty mediocre. Since they do have that D, they are a tough team to play.

I think I've seen Denver play every week Ras and I agree that their D is fast and nasty. I was actually surprised the game ended up as close as it did but Harvey is right, Manning kept the Vikes in it each time Denver had a chance to go up 3 scores. The Vikes look like they're starting to find their identity a little bit. I think they have a pretty good shot at a wildcard game this year.

I agree that Denver's team would be pretty mediocre without that D playing at a high level.

[Rastak]

I think I've seen Denver play every week Ras and I agree that their D is fast and nasty. I was actually surprised the game ended up as close as it did but Harvey is right, Manning kept the Vikes in it each time Denver had a chance to go up 3 scores. The Vikes look like they're starting to find their identity a little bit. I think they have a pretty good shot at a wildcard game this year.

I agree that Denver's team would be pretty mediocre without that D playing at a high level.

Yea, I expect Green Bay wins that Denver game but it'll be tough. The Vikings are not there yet but it sure seems like they are on a solid path now.

[smuggler]

Seahawk offense looks like shit. Their defense looks damn good, though.

[smuggler]

As soon as I say it, they begin to put together an actual drive.

[smuggler]

Carroll is such a cheerleading dumbass. Clear false start on his player, bitches to refs asking for an offside.

[Rastak]

Carroll is such a cheerleading dumbass. Clear false start on his player, bitches to refs asking for an offside.

They all do that.

Lions are playing hard at least.

[smuggler]

I don't see Caldwell doing it.

By the by, ref staring right at a blatant hold a yard away from a QB needs to be called every time.

[Rastak]

I don't see Caldwell doing it.

By the by, ref staring right at a blatant hold a yard away from a QB needs to be called every time.


Caldwell probably not. He's too mellow, just like Les Frazier.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Chancellor just had the exact same hit on Calvin Johnson that Ha-Ha had against the Chiefs. No flag. I don't see anything different in the hits.

[SMBASS]

Chancellor just had the exact same hit on Calvin Johnson that Ha-Ha had against the Chiefs. No flag. I don't see anything different in the hits.

I was just thinking the same thing Harvey.

[Guiness]

This game is shit.

That is all.

[Rastak]

Chancellor just had the exact same hit on Calvin Johnson that Ha-Ha had against the Chiefs. No flag. I don't see anything different in the hits.


Same ref?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Now, Walker gets injured on a dirty cut block by Seattle when Walker was engaged with another blocker. Absolutely, should have been a penalty. Rewind it. One of the worst cut blocks I have ever seen. ESPN said the injury was gruesome and no need to replay it. Give me a break. Do they have a Seahawks fan running things in the studio or what?

[Rastak]

Wilson is fucking up.

[MadScientist]

Lions defense finally says "fuck you offense, we'll score ourselves"

[HarveyWallbangers]

Same ref?

Who cares? Neither should have been a penalty. No hit to the head. Defender had a couple of steps to get themselves ready. Both hit shoulder to shoulder.

[Joemailman]

Lions defense is getting good pressure. And that Seattle OL isn't real good.

[Rastak]

Who cares? Neither should have been a penalty. No hit to the head. Defender had a couple of steps to get themselves ready. Both hit shoulder to shoulder.

They (Refs) all call shit differently. It shouldn't be that way but at least on a secondary level this is the NFL reality.

That said on a rule book level they should all be consistent.

Anyway, I think we could both fill a thousand page book with calls that were not consistent.

[Striker]

I miss Jon Ryan.

[smuggler]

NFL proba ly wanted there to be fewer penalties tonigh after all the noise about the preponderance of penalties overall thus far this year.

[Rastak]

Smart move to bat it out by Kam. His first smart move of the year.


edit: Whomever pushed the ball out of the endzone I mean.

[smuggler]

Damn Calvin. Way to puck that up.

[mraynrand]

This game is shit.

That is all.

Are you serious? Watching Wilson scramble and make plays is worth the price of admission.

Then the fumbles

Then the twists and turns of fate.

Wow, what a game

[Rastak]

Are you serious? Watching Wilson scramble and make plays is worth the price of admission.

Then the fumbles

Then the twists and turns of fate.

Wow, what a game


Execellent game.

[smuggler]

None of Wilsons ducks were intercepted tonight. Boo, Lions!

[mraynrand]

Chancellor looks like Elliott out there

[Rastak]

Game set match.

[mraynrand]

Wilson is like a stronger, more athletic, more accurate Fran Tarkenton.

[smuggler]

Kind of a lame ending for a mostly boring game. 4th quarter salvaged it. Wish the Leos had won. They really should have at least had the overtime... :/

[mraynrand]

Kind of a lame ending for a mostly boring game. 4th quarter salvaged it. Wish the Leos had won. They really should have at least had the overtime... :/

I recorded it and watched it in about 25 minutes so it seemed really exciting to me. Man the Seahawks hit hard and keep hitting hard. I dunno about you all, but I like watching their defense play.

[smuggler]

I wonder if the league will fine Chancellor for punching Megatron's arm. They always seem to conveniently ignore that rule when it produces highlight turnovers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They (Refs) all call shit differently. It shouldn't be that way but at least on a secondary level this is the NFL reality.

That said on a rule book level they should all be consistent.

Anyway, I think we could both fill a thousand page book with calls that were not consistent.

No shit. But this is the exact same hit from one Monday night game to the next Monday night game. The inconsistency is a little more obvious.

[Bossman641]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/bat-of-loose-ball-by-k-j-wright-should-have-been-flagged/

Seahawks should have been flagged for knocking the ball out of the end zone. Lions should have had it at the half yard line. FUCK SEATTLE!!!

[mraynrand]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/bat-of-loose-ball-by-k-j-wright-should-have-been-flagged/

Seahawks should have been flagged for knocking the ball out of the end zone. Lions should have had it at the half yard line. FUCK SEATTLE!!!

Wow. I didn't remember that rule, but I'm not a highly trained NFL ref.

[channtheman]

I think the Seahawks are a below average team. They beat the winless Bears at home and barely beat the winless Lions at home (and probably should have lost). I actually don't expect them to make the playoffs this year.

[Joemailman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/05/bat-of-loose-ball-by-k-j-wright-should-have-been-flagged/

Seahawks should have been flagged for knocking the ball out of the end zone. Lions should have had it at the half yard line. FUCK SEATTLE!!!

There was a ref looking right at it. Did he not know the rule, or is this another case of an official afraid to make a game-changing play call against Seattle in Seattle?

[mraynrand]

Setting aside for now (but not for long) how the most unfair rule in football gave possession of the ball to the Seahawks even though they never recovered the football fumbled by Lions receiver Calvin Johnson, the decision of Seattle linebacker K.J. Wright to bat the ball out of the end zone should have given possession back to the Lions.

I remember week 4, 1996, Brooks had the ball punched out heading into the end zone at Minnesota, and MN got the touchback. ever since then, I thought it was an absurd rule. Ugliest of all ways to lose. Within inches of the end zone AND they ultimately screw up the call. Seems all too familiar.

[channtheman]

The Seahawks really truly do get some of the worst officiating blunders to go in their favor don't they? Amazing how lucky that team seems to get with the bad calls.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQmrqu7WgAA_RqC.jpg:large

[yetisnowman]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

[Joemailman]

Couldn't see it I guess.


https://vine.co/v/e2DKtaQ6rVD

[pbmax]

Now, Walker gets injured on a dirty cut block by Seattle when Walker was engaged with another blocker. Absolutely, should have been a penalty. Rewind it. One of the worst cut blocks I have ever seen. ESPN said the injury was gruesome and no need to replay it. Give me a break. Do they have a Seahawks fan running things in the studio or what?

They changed the rules on cut blocking but its still legal in some spots. Was he on the LOS and did the guy come from elsewhere to hit him?

[mraynrand]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

Pete Carroll in his press conference was pretty clear the refs got it wrong and it was 'unfortunate.'

[pbmax]

Pete Carroll in his press conference was pretty clear the refs got it wrong and it was 'unfortunate.'

I can't stand this team. Beating them twice would be wonderful. However, I am afraid enough of their D I would also be happy to skip it.

[pbmax]

Couldn't see it I guess.


https://vine.co/v/e2DKtaQ6rVD

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k75/paisans_2006/OK._So_this_should_have_been_a_penalty_for_illegal _batting._Maybe_the_officials_just_couldn_39t_see_ it_.gif

[HarveyWallbangers]

They changed the rules on cut blocking but its still legal in some spots. Was he on the LOS and did the guy come from elsewhere to hit him?

Walker was over the OC. The OC was blocking him, and the RG came over and cut block him.

[pbmax]

Walker was over the OC. The OC was blocking him, and the RG came over and cut block him.

In line, on the LOS and adjacent, I think that is still legal.

I do agree with Paul Zimmerman, they should just outlaw blocks below the waist.

[pbmax]

Football Perspective ‏@fbgchase 1h1 hour ago
Pete Carroll looks so nervous in this press conference you'd think they asked him if he lacked institutional control.

Brian Burke ‏@bburkeESPN 1h1 hour ago
If illegal batting were called, DET has 1st-goal-1 with 1:45 and a .807 WP, meaning a missed call would be a .702 WP error.

70% change in likely game outcome with blown call.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brian Burke ‏@bburkeESPN 1h1 hour ago
If illegal batting were called, DET has 1st-goal-1 with 1:45 and a .807 WP, meaning a missed call would be a .702 WP error.
70% change in likely game outcome with blown call.

What the fuck was that, anyway? Jon Gruden must know the rules, why no discussion on TV of these bizarre circumstances. Not very peripatetic.

Lousy game, really. Maybe OK for Seattle fans. No fun to watch the Lions O manage 3 points.

[Pugger]

Now they are claiming the back judge knew the rule but felt it was inadvertent. You fucking joking? The bullshit and luck this team inherits in that stadium is maddening.

It is bull shit. If you read the rule it is pretty clear and NOT a judgement call like PI. Those seachickens are the luckiest bastards in the league getting calls like this at home.

[Joemailman]

It is bull shit. If you read the rule it is pretty clear and NOT a judgement call like PI. Those seachickens are the luckiest bastards in the league getting calls like this at home.

I think the officials have always had some discretion as to intent. There have been plenty of fumbles in the end zone where players touch the ball trying to recover it, but are unable to do so before it goes out of the end zone. What made this one different is that Wright batted the ball without making any attempt to recover it. That's why it should have been a penalty, where as a penalty is not called if players make an unsuccessful attempt to recover it.

[mraynrand]

No fun to watch the Lions O manage 3 points.

Unless you enjoy watching the defense that stifled them.

[mraynrand]

I think the officials have always had some discretion as to intent. There have been plenty of fumbles in the end zone where players touch the ball trying to recover it, but are unable to do so before it goes out of the end zone. What made this one different is that Wright batted the ball without making any attempt to recover it. That's why it should have been a penalty, where as a penalty is not called if players make an unsuccessful attempt to recover it.

Yes, and this is exactly the excuse the refs are using that in the refs judgement the player was not intentionally tapping it out of bounds. And just like the last time this happened, the ref making the call is the only person on the planet who saw it that way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7pzgR-CMAAe6Ac.jpg

[mraynrand]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/2266000.jpg

[Fritz]

What's kind of funny is that seemingly no one on the planet - not Jim Caldwell, not Jon Gruden, not the fans, nobody - knew this rule. Tirico never said a word. The coaches didn't bitch at all. It wasn't until after when somebody postgame interviewed a ref that this came up.

So essentially the rule was there but no one really seemed to know that. Had Caldwell or one of his assistants known the rule, he might've immediately jumped the officials about it, so they might've then huddled briefly (pretending it was their idea) and then thrown a flag. We've seen that happen - the coach jumps one of the refs, the light bulb goes on, the ref calls a huddle, there's a discussion, there's a flag. So it's not really officially a review of a non-penalty, because no one's asking for a booth view or anything - just dudes huddling to make sure they get the call right.

I still blame the Lions for this loss.

[Guiness]

What's kind of funny is that seemingly no one on the planet - not Jim Caldwell, not Jon Gruden, not the fans, nobody - knew this rule. Tirico never said a word. The coaches didn't bitch at all. It wasn't until after when somebody postgame interviewed a ref that this came up.

So essentially the rule was there but no one really seemed to know that. Had Caldwell or one of his assistants known the rule, he might've immediately jumped the officials about it, so they might've then huddled briefly (pretending it was their idea) and then thrown a flag. We've seen that happen - the coach jumps one of the refs, the light bulb goes on, the ref calls a huddle, there's a discussion, there's a flag. So it's not really officially a review of a non-penalty, because no one's asking for a booth view or anything - just dudes huddling to make sure they get the call right.

I still blame the Lions for this loss.

I was thinking the same thing no one said a word, including on this board, or the sports guy on the Detroit news this morning.

[ThunderDan]

I was thinking the same thing no one said a word, including on this board, or the sports guy on the Detroit news this morning.

When it happened I thought it was a fantastic play. By batting the ball out of the end zone there is no chance that he muffs the ball trying to catch it and potentially allowing DET to recover the ball.

[Freak Out]

The Westwood one guys (Warner) called it after watching a replay and were baffled how the Stripes got play going again so fast. I can't stand the TV heads so keep the sound down. Radio was talking about it following the play IIRC.

[Harlan Huckleby]

What's kind of funny is that seemingly no one on the planet - not Jim Caldwell, not Jon Gruden, not the fans, nobody - knew this rule. Tirico never said a word. The coaches didn't bitch at all. It wasn't until after when somebody postgame interviewed a ref that this came up.

So essentially the rule was there but no one really seemed to know that. Had Caldwell or one of his assistants known the rule, he might've immediately jumped the officials about it, so they might've then huddled briefly (pretending it was their idea) and then thrown a flag.

Very good point. The Lions should have raised a stink. I didn't know the rules exactly, but I knew a defender must not be able to earn a touch back by batting the ball out of the endzone. It was like the announcers and coaches just wanted to get out of the noisy stadium and turn in.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was thinking the same thing no one said a word, including on this board

That sounds like a shot at pbmax. This happened on his watch as forum crier.


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.stylelist.com/media/2013/07/town-crier.jpg

[Guiness]

Very good point. The Lions should have raised a stink. I didn't know the rules exactly, but I knew a defender must not be able to earn a touch back by batting the ball out of the endzone. It was like the announcers and coaches just wanted to get out of the noisy stadium and turn in.

I thought it was odd as well, like a holy roller in reverse, but no one said anything so I disregarded it. Funny though, this is the second time it's come up this season, another team fumbled the ball through the opponent's end zone and had possession taken away and I was surprised by the ruling.

[pbmax]

Wouldn't have even guessed at that one. All the cases I could think of once I heard about the missed call were legal. Barely knew that there was an illegal case.

However, I should have known. Database guys uncovered 12 calls of illegal batting of the football since 2010. 8 were accepted, 4 declined. Included in that is one by Pittsburgh, penalty accepted by Green Bay in 2010. Estus Hood batted a blocked FG kick illegally. Packers accepted and drive for a TD.

2 of these included balls in the end zone. Zebras should have know. Chris Maragos (Seattle-Badgers) had one called against him in 2013 versus the 49ers during a punt.

Near end of article: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2015/clutch-encounters-week-4

Source: http://www.nflpenalties.com/

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Kevin Seifert ‏@SeifertESPN 8h8 hours ago
Three years later, Lance Easley still receives email from people who want him to die: http://es.pn/1j4JoVn

This is one of those rare occasions where the internet mob is onto something. This guy needs to stop answering his phone. Does his agent email every NFCN reporter after every controversial call?

[Patler]

However, I should have known. Database guys uncovered 12 calls of illegal batting of the football since 2010. 8 were accepted, 4 declined. Included in that is one by Pittsburgh, penalty accepted by Green Bay in 2010. Estus Hood batted a blocked FG kick illegally. Packers accepted and drive for a TD.

Near end of article: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2015/clutch-encounters-week-4

Source: http://www.nflpenalties.com/

You threw me on this. Estus Hood was a Packer DB in the late 70's. Thought maybe he had a kid with the Steelers in 2010.
Article states "E. Hood" a DL. That would be Evander "Ziggy" Hood.

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Would you believe that was today's second trivia question?

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In case you missed it:



Cleveland does something to a man, and it usually isn't good. #factoryofsadness

Tramon was done in not by his mistake, but by the collective shrug people give to the Browns about getting details right, like whether or not someone in an orange helmet is offside or not.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/08/nfl-says-it-didnt-concede-field-goal-error-to-the-browns/

Tramontana maintained that the League admitted an error, but they deny it. However, Florio thinks TW has a case:


The All-22 footage available the the NFL’s Game Rewind feature has two angles that suggest that the flag shouldn’t have been thrown. In one angle, it’s clear that Williams is lined up alongside his teammates. In the other angle, it’s clear that he times the snap perfectly, moving at the same instant the ball is lifted off the ground by the snapper.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In line, on the LOS and adjacent, I think that is still legal.

I do agree with Paul Zimmerman, they should just outlaw blocks below the waist.

Same play was called tonight on the LOS. The only problem was it was not egregious. In fact, I don't think the Texans blocker even hit the Colts rushed below the waist. He hit him above the hip. Kind of weird because the more I read about this, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a penalty. Well, it should be illegal, but I"m not sure if it is. The Texans tonight was not nearly as bad as this block.

I did find video. I wish ESPN would have pointed it out. Maybe there'd be more buzz to make these blocks illegal.

This Ugly Block From The Seahawks Resulted In A Gruesome Broken Leg (http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/10/seattle-seahawks-detroit-lions-tyrunn-walker-injury/)

[smuggler]

I don't know why they won't ban the low blocks. Is this wrestlinnnnnnnnnnnnnnng? No. Ban that shit.

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Same play was called tonight on the LOS. The only problem was it was not egregious. In fact, I don't think the Texans blocker even hit the Colts rushed below the waist. He hit him above the hip. Kind of weird because the more I read about this, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a penalty. Well, it should be illegal, but I"m not sure if it is. The Texans tonight was not nearly as bad as this block.

I did find video. I wish ESPN would have pointed it out. Maybe there'd be more buzz to make these blocks illegal.

This Ugly Block From The Seahawks Resulted In A Gruesome Broken Leg (http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/10/seattle-seahawks-detroit-lions-tyrunn-walker-injury/)

Yeah, I saw the block that got called tonight. It might be illegal, but the explanation from Dumb and Dumber wasn't right.

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Thanks for the link Harv. I am not sure that's illegal, and if it is, it's block from behind call and not a "while the defender was engaged" call.

It is immoral and unethical, because the Guard is diving with his full weight at the side of the DT's knee and leg and the only way to knock him down is to collapse the leg from the side. He doesn't move far enough to get his head or elbow in front of the player. He just collapsed his leg like they did to Jurko in Dallas.

He is barely, briefly engaged with the Center, who is running past him to get play-side and kick out the other DT or ILB. The Center is trying to run away from him and its the Lion who puts his hands on the Seahawks briefly after the C tired to rush pat him.

Its why they should just ban going low.

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From that link:


Again, to reiterate, this type of chop block is legal. On a running play, an offensive lineman can engage a player below the waist provided he is not more than one position away from the initial block. In layman’s terms, the right guard can chop the nose tackle engaged with the center. The right tackle cannot.

So the Colts-Texans call was because it was a pass. The Seahawks non-call was because even if you judged it to be a chop block (two guys engaged on one defender, one high and one low), its legal if its a run play and they are adjacent.

[Guiness]

From that link:



So the Colts-Texans call was because it was a pass. The Seahawks non-call was because even if you judged it to be a chop block (two guys engaged on one defender, one high and one low), its legal if its a run play and they are adjacent.

???

I always thought you couldn't hit low if he was already engaged. Never seen this convoluted verbiage before.

[Rastak]

We will.


Doesn't look that fun.

[esoxx]

Doesn't look that fun.

Wow you held on to that comment for 28 days.

Bitter often?

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Wow you held on to that comment for 28 days.

Bitter often?

Oh c'mon esoxx. Ras earned that one. Can't hold one as good as that against someone.

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lol

[esoxx]

Oh c'mon esoxx. Ras earned that one. Can't hold one as good as that against someone.

You're right. I'm sure if the packers rolled I would have went back to a comment made some 28 days earlier to rub it in. Who carries something like that around for a month is what I would like to know.

But rock on.

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You're right. I'm sure if the packers rolled I would have went back to a comment made some 28 days earlier to rub it in. Who carries something like that around for a month is what I would like to know.

But rock on.

Well, on this board Ras is the odd one out, so his memory is probably longer than most. But he is a good dude stuck rooting for an expansion team :lol:

Just kidding Ras!