Week 6 Other Games

[pbmax]

Saints take 17 point lead as Atlanta doesn't know how to defense Benjamin Watson or play offense generally.

The Atlanta remembers Devonta Freeman after a Jacob Tamme miracle 4th down catch and its back within two scores.

[Pugger]

I'm glad Atlanta lost tonight because the rest of their schedule looks pretty easy.

[smuggler]

I knew the Saints would win this. Easy money.

[Fritz]

So are you going to retire now?

[Teamcheez1]

I knew the Saints would win this. Easy money.

If you had played Fan Duel or Draft Kings you could have turned $5 into $2M in just one week.

[smuggler]

You're right. I have brought dishonnnorru on my famiry. Off to commit sudoku.

[pbmax]

Apropos of nothing, IR-DTR is still available. I seems to remember someone asking this question earlier after Perry's injury (if it had not been used on Q).

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
Meanwhile, the #Chargers are making moves, too. They have placed DE Darius Philon on Injured Reserve/Designated to Return

[red]

its shocking just how worthless mike vick is, and how much he's destroying the steelers offense

[esoxx]

That TD call instead of INT in Detroit was absolutely ridiculous. No justification whatsoever for a TD call there.

NFL is so over-regulated nowadays they just make up shit as they go along it seems.

[Fritz]

That TD call instead of INT in Detroit was absolutely ridiculous. No justification whatsoever for a TD call there.

NFL is so over-regulated nowadays they just make up shit as they go along it seems.

Lions' announcers set the scene as if it were absolutely, unquestionable a touchdown, and any call other than that meant the Lions were, once again, being shafted by the entire NFL.

I hope the Bears come back in the second half and beat them

[yetisnowman]

That TD call instead of INT in Detroit was absolutely ridiculous. No justification whatsoever for a TD call there.

NFL is so over-regulated nowadays they just make up shit as they go along it seems.


I've become convinced Golden Tate is Goodell's lover and has blackmail material. The rules of what constitutes possessing and catching the ball don't apply to him.

[red]

finally vick benched and bell running the ball

[Guiness]

EJ Manuel playing, wonder how that's going

[Joemailman]

That TD call instead of INT in Detroit was absolutely ridiculous. No justification whatsoever for a TD call there.

NFL is so over-regulated nowadays they just make up shit as they go along it seems.

I think it was the right call. He had control of the ball and crossed the goal line. It's not like the plays where the question is whether he controlled the ball when he hit the ground. He never hit the ground.

[Guiness]

Tramon Williams gets schooled by Emanual Sanders!

This game should be going to OT, but instead Tramon could be the goat, again.

[Rastak]

Vikings shut down the Chiefs, looks like Lions pull out the win.

[Joemailman]

That was some epic bad pass defense by the Lions.

[Rastak]

That was some epic bad pass defense by the Lions.


Slay fucked it up.

[Rastak]

Also, Manning isn't Manning anymore......as if we couldn't determine that already this year.

[Guiness]

Vikings shut down the Chiefs, looks like Lions pull out the win.

Not yet, off to OT they go.

In other news, Cleveland doing everything they can to lose this game, despite Denver trying to do them a solid.
3rd and long in OT, Thomas drops a pass but the Browns get a 12 men on the field penalty.
So Manning throws an INT, Browns trake over in Denver territory but can't convert.
Browns (after a delay of game penalty) punt, returner drops the ball but manages to fall on it despite several Cleveland players around him.

Factory of Sadness indeed.

[Rastak]

Not yet, off to OT they go.

In other news, Cleveland doing everything they can to lose this game, despite Denver trying to do them a solid.
3rd and long in OT, Thomas drops a pass but the Browns get a 12 men on the field penalty.
So Manning throws an INT, Browns trake over in Denver territory but can't convert.
Browns (after a delay of game penalty) punt, returner drops the ball but manages to fall on it despite several Cleveland players around him.

Factory of Sadness indeed.

Yea, I jumped the gun. Browns had a golden chance but may have blown it.

[Rastak]

6-0 Broncos.....gonna flip on the Packers game now.....

[red]

Also, Manning isn't Manning anymore......as if we couldn't determine that already this year.

stick a fork in him

[pbmax]

Arizona and Super Coach Bruce Arians lost to Michael Vick and Landry Jones. Pfffft.

[ThunderDan]

Arizona and Super Coach Bruce Arians lost to Michael Vick and Landry Jones. Pfffft.

ARI was the team I still had questions about. While I didn't see the game more questions are raised not answered.

[ThunderDan]

Not sure what you can do against teams like SD and NE with their O. All short timing routes. Maybe bend and not break is the best you can do. Play press D with your corners. Ind is trying to drop their DE into the throwing lanes underneath the slot WR.

[pbmax]

Not sure what you can do against teams like SD and NE with their O. All short timing routes. Maybe bend and not break is the best you can do. Play press D with your corners. Ind is trying to drop their DE into the throwing lanes underneath the slot WR.

Last year the Packers got pressure on Brady, especially early. Wasn't hampering Rivers.

[red]

Arizona and Super Coach Bruce Arians lost to Michael Vick and Landry Jones. Pfffft.

noooo
they didn't lose to mike vick, they lost to landry jones

when vick came out of the game in the third quarter he was a whopping 3-8 for a whole 6 yards. he needed to be benched and he wasn't. jones came in and the steelers offense looked completely different

[ThunderDan]

Brady could go for 450 tonight.

[ThunderDan]

What the fuck was that? The worst fake punt/4th down play ever!

[pittstang5]

what the hell was that on 4th down Colts?

[Rutnstrut]

Brady could go for 450 tonight.

I bet he wishes he was playing the Packers, he could probably go for 650 then.

[ThunderDan]

I bet he wishes he was playing the Packers, he could probably go for 650 then.

Must be tough rooting for your 6-0 Pack.

[Rutnstrut]

Must be tough rooting for your 6-0 Pack.

Not at all, the tough part is knowing this defense will implode.

[pbmax]

I bet he wishes he was playing the Packers, he could probably go for 650 then.

Well, he had his chance last year and couldn't do it. And that D was playing much, much, worse.

[Fritz]

Lions finally get a "W" but they really don't look very good doing so. The announcers kept talking about how great Stafford looked today, but what I saw was a guy who looked very lost at times. They won primarily because twice he threw the ball up to Calvin Johnson, who came down with it for very, very long gains.

By the way, my wife gave me tickets for the Dec. Packers/Lions in Detroit. I am very pumped for that!

[Patler]

I bet he wishes he was playing the Packers, he could probably go for 650 then.Must be tough rooting for your 6-0 Pack.
Not at all, the tough part is knowing this defense will implode.

I never have gotten too excited over yards surrendered on defense, or yards gained on offense in any single game; only the consistent patterns of each. In this game, while missing a starter at every level of the defense, they gave up 20 points, got one turnover and made a big stop when they needed to. In the age of parity, I'll take that, 500+ yards and all, and move on to the next game.

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRrIefDWEAACERi.jpg

[Pugger]

Not sure what you can do against teams like SD and NE with their O. All short timing routes. Maybe bend and not break is the best you can do. Play press D with your corners. Ind is trying to drop their DE into the throwing lanes underneath the slot WR.

If Lacy was 100% and our WR corps wasn't depleted yesterday's game could have been a shoot-out.

[pbmax]

Your home to the 2016 Super Bowl L

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k75/paisans_2006/OH_WOW._Watch_the_hole_that_caves_in_under_Tucker_ s_plant_foot..gif

[red]

How hard is it to put in a solid field?

[Freak Out]

What is the hell was that from Indy? What did the HC have to say after? LOL :)

[pittstang5]

Good Lord...Giants just keep turning the ball over.

[Bossman641]

Newhouse is still terrible. He still plays the same too, once he is beat he is beat. This is the second or third time I've seen the Giants and he's looked bad every time.

[yetisnowman]

Myles WHite sighting. One play, one drop. One of the most ridiculous scenarios I've ever seen. Giants cut a guy who ends up leading the league in tds through 6 games, and subsequently pick up a guy that couldn't make the team that picked up the receiver they cut.

[pbmax]

Newhouse had one nice block. His guy broke inside on a stunt but they had it covered on the outside. He stayed with his guy and with a chip from the Guard planted him in the Field Turf.

[Pugger]

But otherwise Newhouse was terrible. I was pretty surprised to see he was still in the league and shocked he was starting.

[smuggler]

Giants are donezo. Their roster is shallow and it shows.

[Teamcheez1]

Manning had his 50th multi-interception game. Favre had 41 over his whole career.

[sharpe1027]

Manning had his 50th multi-interception game. Favre had 41 over his whole career.

Does it count double if your throw 4 and triple for 6? That might even things out a bit... :)

[smuggler]

I don't think it would, since I think he's referring to Eli, not Peyton.

[mraynrand]

I am so glad Marshmallow Outhouse is the Giant's problem and not ours.

[smuggler]

Really puts Bakhtiari's struggles into perspective.

[sharpe1027]

I don't think it would, since I think he's referring to Eli, not Peyton.

Could be. I have no idea really, just seems that with so many games in double digits there are more to spread out the INTs between.

[pbmax]

Manning had his 50th multi-interception game. Favre had 41 over his whole career.

I am getting very different numbers from Pro Football Reference (regular season only) http://pfref.com/tiny/kUhPw



In multiple seasons, from 1999 to 2015, in the Regular Season, played QB, requiring Passes Intercepted >= 2, sorted by most games matching criteria.

Rk From To Tm W L T W-L% Count
1 Brett Favre 1999 2010 GNB/NYJ/MIN 20 42 0 0.323 62
2 Peyton Manning 1999 2015 IND/DEN 26 30 0 0.464 56
3 Drew Brees 2002 2014 SDG/NOR 16 39 0 0.291 55
4 Eli Manning 2004 2015 NYG 15 35 0 0.300 50
5 Jon Kitna 1999 2011 SEA/CIN/DET/DAL 5 40 0 0.111 45
6 Carson Palmer 2004 2015 CIN/OAK/ARI 15 29 0 0.341 44
7 Matt Hasselbeck 2001 2012 SEA/TEN 15 26 0 0.366 41
8 Kerry Collins 1999 2010 NYG/OAK/TEN 9 28 0 0.243 37
9 Jake Plummer 1999 2006 ARI/DEN 8 28 0 0.222 36
10 Jay Cutler 2006 2014 DEN/CHI 7 28 0 0.200 35

[pbmax]

Best part of that list is that one of the few QBs to have a .500 or better record with 2 or more INTs is the Sex Cannon, Rex Grossman.

The other is Aaron Rodgers.

The above chart is 1999-2015, which corresponds to the databases ability to separate out players by position. If you ignore filtering positions, and with this search I think you can, you get even higher numbers. From 1989 to 2015:



Rk From To Tm W L T W-L% Count
1 Brett Favre 1991 2010 ATL/GNB/NYJ/MIN 34 60 0 0.362 94
2 Peyton Manning 1998 2015 IND/DEN 27 40 0 0.403 67
3 Vinny Testaverde 1989 2007 TAM/CLE/BAL/NYJ/DAL/CAR 17 47 1 0.269 65
4 Drew Bledsoe 1993 2006 NWE/BUF/DAL 14 41 0 0.255 55
5 Drew Brees 2002 2014 SDG/NOR 16 39 0 0.291 55
6 Kerry Collins 1995 2010 CAR/NOR/NYG/OAK/TEN 11 42 0 0.208 53
7 Eli Manning 2004 2015 NYG 15 35 0 0.300 50
8 Jon Kitna 1997 2011 SEA/CIN/DET/DAL 7 41 0 0.146 48
9 Jake Plummer 1997 2006 ARI/DEN 11 37 0 0.229 48
10 Carson Palmer 2004 2015 CIN/OAK/ARI 15 29 0 0.341 44
11 Troy Aikman* 1989 2000 DAL 13 28 0 0.317 41
12 Matt Hasselbeck 2001 2012 SEA/TEN 15 26 0 0.366 41
13 Warren Moon* 1989 1998 TEN/MIN/SEA 18 22 0 0.450 40
14 Jim Everett 1989 1997 STL/NOR/SDG 6 32 0 0.158 38
15 Trent Dilfer 1994 2007 TAM/BAL/SEA/CLE/SFO 9 28 0 0.243 37
16 Jay Cutler 2006 2014 DEN/CHI 7 28 0 0.200 35
17 John Elway* 1989 1998 DEN 16 19 0 0.457 35
18 Boomer Esiason 1989 1996 CIN/NYJ/ARI 7 28 0 0.200 35
19 Dan Marino* 1989 1999 MIA 15 20 0 0.429 35
20 Philip Rivers 2006 2015 SDG 13 22 0 0.371 35

[Freak Out]

Best part of that list is that one of the few QBs to have a .500 or better record with 2 or more INTs is the Sex Cannon, Rex Grossman.

The other is Aaron Rodgers.

The above chart is 1999-2015, which corresponds to the databases ability to separate out players by position. If you ignore filtering positions, and with this search I think you can, you get even higher numbers. From 1989 to 2015:



Rk From To Tm W L T W-L% Count
1 Brett Favre 1991 2010 ATL/GNB/NYJ/MIN 34 60 0 0.362 94
2 Peyton Manning 1998 2015 IND/DEN 27 40 0 0.403 67
3 Vinny Testaverde 1989 2007 TAM/CLE/BAL/NYJ/DAL/CAR 17 47 1 0.269 65
4 Drew Bledsoe 1993 2006 NWE/BUF/DAL 14 41 0 0.255 55
5 Drew Brees 2002 2014 SDG/NOR 16 39 0 0.291 55
6 Kerry Collins 1995 2010 CAR/NOR/NYG/OAK/TEN 11 42 0 0.208 53
7 Eli Manning 2004 2015 NYG 15 35 0 0.300 50
8 Jon Kitna 1997 2011 SEA/CIN/DET/DAL 7 41 0 0.146 48
9 Jake Plummer 1997 2006 ARI/DEN 11 37 0 0.229 48
10 Carson Palmer 2004 2015 CIN/OAK/ARI 15 29 0 0.341 44
11 Troy Aikman* 1989 2000 DAL 13 28 0 0.317 41
12 Matt Hasselbeck 2001 2012 SEA/TEN 15 26 0 0.366 41
13 Warren Moon* 1989 1998 TEN/MIN/SEA 18 22 0 0.450 40
14 Jim Everett 1989 1997 STL/NOR/SDG 6 32 0 0.158 38
15 Trent Dilfer 1994 2007 TAM/BAL/SEA/CLE/SFO 9 28 0 0.243 37
16 Jay Cutler 2006 2014 DEN/CHI 7 28 0 0.200 35
17 John Elway* 1989 1998 DEN 16 19 0 0.457 35
18 Boomer Esiason 1989 1996 CIN/NYJ/ARI 7 28 0 0.200 35
19 Dan Marino* 1989 1999 MIA 15 20 0 0.429 35
20 Philip Rivers 2006 2015 SDG 13 22 0 0.371 35


Peyton have another 30 ints in him?

[Fritz]

Peyton have another 30 ints in him?


I don't know if he can throw it far enough any more to get it to the safeties and cornerbacks.

[Pugger]

Ok, so who do we want to win tonight - SF or the chickens?

[Fritz]

San Fran, of course.

[Pugger]

San Fran, of course.

You are right, of course. I will have to hold my nose while I root them on tonight. :lol:

[Fritz]

Agreed. I hope Colin Krappernick gets belted early and often, but I hope Seattle loses.

[Rastak]

I got no horse in this race, will be fun watching though, both are interesting teams if nothing else.

[Rastak]

Niners are getting run off the field.....sheesh.

[Rastak]

Lynch puking his guys out....that's fun to see.

[Guiness]

Lynch puking his guys out....that's fun to see.

Was he sticking his finger down his throat? When he turned away, he was wiping it off on the towel...

SF O looks awful. Kap's throws are high or behind his receivers giving them no chance to make a play after catching the ball.

[Rastak]

Nice toss by Wilson.

[Guiness]

Is that stadium half empty?

[Rastak]

Is that stadium half empty?


Probably should be, a fairly good beating being applied.

[Guiness]

But before halftime?

[Rastak]

Not to be crude or offend the ladies but what's up with that Cialis commercial?

Essentially they are saying, when there is no time to take a pill, you can be ready. Then they show a couple eating dinner in some joint. WTF, he's gonna bend her over the table or hurry to a closet?

[Guiness]

Not to be crude or offend the ladies but what's up with that Cialis commercial?

Essentially they are saying, when there is no time to take a pill, you can be ready. Then they show a couple eating dinner in some joint. WTF, he's gonna bend her over the table or hurry to a closet?

lol! And you made me look up Cialis to understand what the 'no time to take a pill' references meant. Apparently, you're also not a consumer of said product, because you didn't catch what they mean. What makes it different is that it lasts longer, so you can take it WAY ahead, and not worry about dallying over supper in fear of losing your 'edge'

[Pugger]

Not to be crude or offend the ladies but what's up with that Cialis commercial?

Essentially they are saying, when there is no time to take a pill, you can be ready. Then they show a couple eating dinner in some joint. WTF, he's gonna bend her over the table or hurry to a closet?

If you believed all these commercials it appears this condition is running rampant in guys over 40. I don't know which is worse - these or the ones with post-menopausal women and a voice over talking about painful sex and vaginal tissue. Yuk. :-P

[Fritz]

I read an article recently that suggested there is pressure coming from women now, who with the advent of Viagra and Cialis, expect men to be able to perform at any time, at full attention, so men are popping the stuff prophylactically.

I mean, that's what I heard. I wouldn't know, myself. No. Not me.

[pbmax]

Not to be crude or offend the ladies but what's up with that Cialis commercial?

Essentially they are saying, when there is no time to take a pill, you can be ready. Then they show a couple eating dinner in some joint. WTF, he's gonna bend her over the table or hurry to a closet?

Well, they are older so they are eating on a budget and early. If they have to go home to take care of business and then return to finish the meal (which takes some time because they are driving a 1994 Lincoln Towne Car very slowly) they might miss the senior rates. And gracious it might be getting close to dark which is tough even after cataract surgery.

So yes, in Florida and Arizona retirement communities, its common to have the public room of restaurants and hospitality businesses filled with partially clothed seniors.

You get used to it after a while, I would think.

[ThunderDan]

Not to be crude or offend the ladies but what's up with that Cialis commercial?

Essentially they are saying, when there is no time to take a pill, you can be ready. Then they show a couple eating dinner in some joint. WTF, he's gonna bend her over the table or hurry to a closet?

My brother's ex-wife was one of the original Cialas commercial women. I was at a beautiful country club in Hershey, PA when the commercial came out and spit my drink out on the bar.

[pbmax]

My brother's ex-wife was one of the original Cialas commercial women. I was at a beautiful country club in Hershey, PA when the commercial came out and spit my drink out on the bar.

Did you go to Hersheypark, HersheyWorld or the Hershey Gardens while you were there?

Personally, I favor the Hershey Hotel for my stays.

Everyone is the sports world is behind Hershey PA in sponsorships. Its 1)Hershey, 2)Kohler.

[Fritz]

Did you go to Hersheypark, HersheyWorld or the Hershey Gardens while you were there?

Personally, I favor the Hershey Hotel for my stays.

Everyone is the sports world is behind Hershey PA in sponsorships. Its 1)Hershey, 2)Kohler.


Well, if you're thick in Hershey, you're probably behind, somehow. Or someone.

[ThunderDan]

Did you go to Hersheypark, HersheyWorld or the Hershey Gardens while you were there?

Personally, I favor the Hershey Hotel for my stays.

Everyone is the sports world is behind Hershey PA in sponsorships. Its 1)Hershey, 2)Kohler.

We stayed at the Hershey Lodge. My wife had a work meeting out there and I tagged along as the spouse. Got to play golf during meetings.

[mraynrand]

My brother's ex-wife was one of the original Cialas commercial women.

link?

[mraynrand]

I read an article recently that suggested there is pressure coming from women now, who with the advent of Viagra and Cialis, expect men to be able to perform at any time, at full attention

Where can I find these women?

[mraynrand]

Kaepernick is like Rick Ankiel out there! - he's gonna have to become a receiver or something to stay in the league, because he's totally lost any passing accuracy that he ever had.

[Patler]

Kaepernick is like Rick Ankiel out there! - he's gonna have to become a receiver or something to stay in the league, because he's totally lost any passing accuracy that he ever had.

Did he ever really have much accuracy, except in games against the Packers?

[Pugger]

Did he ever really have much accuracy, except in games against the Packers?

I thought he did so well against us because of his legs rather than his arm...

[mraynrand]

Did he ever really have much accuracy, except in games against the Packers?

I did stipulate, prosecutor! :)

[ThunderDan]

Did you go to Hersheypark, HersheyWorld or the Hershey Gardens while you were there?

Personally, I favor the Hershey Hotel for my stays.

Everyone is the sports world is behind Hershey PA in sponsorships. Its 1)Hershey, 2)Kohler.

We also had tickets for Aerosmith/ZZ Top Tour on the 3rd of July and they cancelled the show.

[pbmax]

We also had tickets for Aerosmith/ZZ Top Tour on the 3rd of July and they cancelled the show.

Would like to see ZZ Top play, could take or leave Aerosmith. Given my track record, that means Aerosmith is fantastic live and ZZ Top plays like a cover band of itself.

Still cannot believe the Stones played miles better than the Who in 1989. Stood the world on its head for a summer.

[ThunderDan]

Would like to see ZZ Top play, could take or leave Aerosmith. Given my track record, that means Aerosmith is fantastic live and ZZ Top plays like a cover band of itself.

Still cannot believe the Stones played miles better than the Who in 1989. Stood the world on its head for a summer.

We got lucky that the concert was cancelled. That gave us the whole day to explore the area and not have to be in Hershey, PA. We went up to Gettysburg and had a fantastic experience. It was made better by being July 3rd the anniversary of the last day of the battle.

[pbmax]

Gettysburg is fantastic. I haven't been in forever, should go back. I also loved Lookout Mountain and Chickamauga.

[Rastak]

Gettysburg is fantastic. I haven't been in forever, should go back. I also loved Lookout Mountain and Chickamauga.

Yea, Gettysburg was very cool. In the bed and breakfast where I was staying I saw a picture of a dead soldier in Devils Den, was kind of moving when we actually stood near the rock formation and I could see the exact spot he was killed. Looked exactly like the photo.

Was equally cool standing on the spot Pickett was aiming for during Pickett's charge and seeing how bloody an approach up the slowly rising hill would have been.

[Joemailman]

Week 6 Other Games Thread turns into a discussion of Gettysburg?

It must be the Bye Week. :lol:

[mraynrand]

Week 6 Other Games Thread turns into a discussion of Gettysburg?

It must be the Bye Week. :lol:

good stuff. It's all of a kind - faking left and running right. Reinforcing your weak flank. Taking initiative like Strong Vincent at Little Round Top with Chamberlin directing a Bayonet charge like Clay Matthews on an inside pass rush!

[smuggler]

If you were seeing them in 1989 they probably turned Entwistle down to the point where you couldn't appreciate him and they were throwing Kenney Jones or worse on stage on drums.

Townsend was never a great guitarist and Daltrey's voice was shot from going hard on 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for years.

Still, they should have been better than the Stones, and for that I apologize.

[smuggler]

My dad saw them in Philly in 1972ish. He described it as the best show he'd ever seen.

He gave Yes three shots and said they were flat out bad the first two times and walked out of the third concert because they were hideous.

I guess Yes just cannot play their own shit. A cover band would probably be an improvement, given the right production team.

The only old-timey bands I've ever seen live are Huey Lewis and the News and the Moody Blues. Huey Lewis mostly because my girlfriend at the time was big into them, but they put on a good show. The Moody Blues did not have an accompanying orchestra on tour with them (kind of their original concept) and I was skeptical. They were fucking amazing. The bassist (John Lodge) butchered one song because he had a drawstring from his shirt fall right into his strum hand like three times during one song. Swapped shirts after the song and they were effectively flawless the rest of the way.

[pbmax]

If you were seeing them in 1989 they probably turned Entwistle down to the point where you couldn't appreciate him and they were throwing Kenney Jones or worse on stage on drums.

Townsend was never a great guitarist and Daltrey's voice was shot from going hard on 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for years.

Still, they should have been better than the Stones, and for that I apologize.

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts (dude in the Let My Love Open The Door video) who was OK, better than Jones, but nothing too special. They also had the bald guy percussionist who has played live for every English rock act ever. Kinda like Paul Schaffer but with bongos. Supposedly the best Moon fill-in is Zak Starkey (Ringo's son) but I have seen some of that on TV and its still just meh. No one is Moon. Many people fawn over John Bonham, but Moon cannot be duplicated. Even his drum setup was nuts.

But the main problem was that Pete had just been diagnosed with tinnitus and didn't play much electric guitar, mostly acoustic and they had some red haired dude playing the electric solos until the encores. It just never sounded right. And the weird thing is it SHOULD have sounded better. As you say, Pete isn't the best electric solo artist but he is fantastic rhythm guitarist and he should be a monster playing the acoustic parts (something that is very prevalent in their song catalog). But it never meshed.

The Stones were a revelation as a mostly sober Richards and Wood killed it. I think they still had Wyman on bass and he and Watts were great. So the music was exactly what you wanted to hear, you could forgive Jagger's limitations and alterations to the harmonies.

They also brought back Street Fighting Man/Gimme Shelter/Sympathy for the Devil for the first time since Altamont (no one could agree on which one they had refused to play - could all be urban legend). They also had Lisa Fischer filling for Merry Clayton on Gimme Shelter and it was breathtakingly good.

[smuggler]

Pretty hard to be satisfied with the Who after they jumped the shark, I imagine. They were centered on Moon and Entwistle for most of their best stuff. Moon was long dead in 1989 and Entwistle turned down in those years. Maybe that was from the tinnitus...

[Zool]

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts (dude in the Let My Love Open The Door video) who was OK, better than Jones, but nothing too special. They also had the bald guy percussionist who has played live for every English rock act ever. Kinda like Paul Schaffer but with bongos. Supposedly the best Moon fill-in is Zak Starkey (Ringo's son) but I have seen some of that on TV and its still just meh. No one is Moon. Many people fawn over John Bonham, but Moon cannot be duplicated. Even his drum setup was nuts.

But the main problem was that Pete had just been diagnosed with tinnitus and didn't play much electric guitar, mostly acoustic and they had some red haired dude playing the electric solos until the encores. It just never sounded right. And the weird thing is it SHOULD have sounded better. As you say, Pete isn't the best electric solo artist but he is fantastic rhythm guitarist and he should be a monster playing the acoustic parts (something that is very prevalent in their song catalog). But it never meshed.

The Stones were a revelation as a mostly sober Richards and Wood killed it. I think they still had Wyman on bass and he and Watts were great. So the music was exactly what you wanted to hear, you could forgive Jagger's limitations and alterations to the harmonies.

They also brought back Street Fighting Man/Gimme Shelter/Sympathy for the Devil for the first time since Altamont (no one could agree on which one they had refused to play - could all be urban legend). They also had Lisa Fischer filling for Merry Clayton on Gimme Shelter and it was breathtakingly good.

Bonham and Moon are just totally different styles. There was very little subtly in Bonham but he was sheer power on drums. He created the drum style of the 80s and 90s. Moon was very much a jazz drummer will all sorts of intricacy and subtly. So smooth and natural. Like Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux I suppose. Hard to compare because they are so different. Both are awesome IMO.

[mraynrand]

Of course, then there was the best drummer of all:

http://orig15.deviantart.net/752c/f/2009/044/d/c/neil_peart_wallpaper_by_alkalinedesign.png

[mraynrand]

Or:

http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/magblogs/rhythm/features/Movies/Spinaltap-630-80.jpg

"He died in a bizarre gardening accident that authorities said 'best left unsolved.'"

[Pugger]

Of course, then there was the best drummer of all:

http://orig15.deviantart.net/752c/f/2009/044/d/c/neil_peart_wallpaper_by_alkalinedesign.png

You are going to have to identify this man for me.

[Guiness]

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts
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That sums it up pretty well to be sure. I saw the Stones in 1989 at the Skydome (as it was called then) and it was a pretty amazing set. Had to camp out all night for the tickets since this was before the wristband policies.

I remember a pretty good part of the set, they mixed in a fair amount of their old stuff. Opened with Start Me Up, closed with Satisfaction and Jumping Jack Flash for the encore. They also played Ruby Tuesday and Painted Black. For some reason I also remember Harlem Shuffle. Crowd had a perverse desire to hear, and was calling for, a single they'd probably like to forget, Emotional Rescue, but it wasn't to be.

It was a great concert, and I remember thinking it was probably pretty much the last chance to see them live. Never would've guess Richards and Jagger would still be alive, forget performing 20 years later!

[pbmax]

Bonham and Moon are just totally different styles. There was very little subtly in Bonham but he was sheer power on drums. He created the drum style of the 80s and 90s. Moon was very much a jazz drummer will all sorts of intricacy and subtly. So smooth and natural. Like Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux I suppose. Hard to compare because they are so different. Both are awesome IMO.

I agree completely on Bonham. I just think we have heard more people sound like him than Moon. Charlie Watts is a true jazz drummer in a rock band. Moon is a weird amalgamation.

[Rastak]

I agree completely on Bonham. I just think we have heard more people sound like him than Moon. Charlie Watts is a true jazz drummer in a rock band. Moon is a weird amalgamation.


Since the thread has completely morphed, my 2 cents. John Henry Bonham was amazing with his shear power and emotion. Chester Thompson was also an extremely powerful drummer. Also to be mentioned Levon Helm, more for his singing but also his drumming and the under rated Stewart Copeland of the Police.

[Guiness]

Neil Peart! Neil Peart! Neil Peart!

Ok, that's the homer in me, because to tell the truth I've never been a big Rush/Peart fan. He did list Bonham and Moon as his inspirations though.

[mraynrand]

Neil Peart! Neil Peart! Neil Peart!

Ok, that's the homer in me, because to tell the truth I've never been a big Rush/Peart fan. He did list Bonham and Moon as his inspirations though.

I totally get the aversion to RUSH, the band, especially Geddy Lee's way too tight shorts screechy voice, but it is something else to listen to the percussion on those albums. Simply amazing. I recommend:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnDSfDKJGAo

First five minutes are all instrumental.

[Guiness]

I totally get the aversion to RUSH, the band, especially Geddy Lee's way too tight shorts screechy voice, but it is something else to listen to the percussion on those albums. Simply amazing. I recommend:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnDSfDKJGAo

First five minutes are all instrumental.

Years ago I met Geddy Lee's mother during a vacation in Florida. Spitting image, poor lady.