Broncos Week

[pbmax]

Here is the one thing that bothers me about the San Diego game that might have an impact versus Denver. Pass protection: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2582719-monday-morning-hangover-chuck-pagano-leads-list-of-nfl-coaches-in-jeopardy


Offensive Line Bonus

The Raiders rushed for 130 yards and allowed Derek Carr to be sacked just once. Yes, the Chargers have the pass rush of a line of garbage cans in a seven-on-seven drill, but it's been a long time since the Raiders offensive line has been singled out for anything good. Let's hear it for Donald Penn, Gabe Jackson, Rodney Hudson, J'Marcus Webb and Austin Howard!

Green Bay is 21st in O Line rankings running and 15th in pass pro at Football Outsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol).

San Diego's D line is ranked 28th (vs.run) and 19th (vs.pass).
Denver is 4th and 2nd.

On the road. This screams slugfest while everyone will talk about the QBs.

[Smidgeon]

Just be grateful GB isn't facing Tebow this week:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/26/peyton-mannings-stats-compare-not-so-favorably-to-someone-else/

Also, good test for the offense. If the Broncos' defense wasn't this good, nobody would care about the game.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 3m3 minutes ago
Good bill of health for the #Packers today at practice. Davante Adams, B.J. Raji, Morgan Burnett, Nick Perry were all on the field.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 20m20 minutes ago
Ty Montgomery (ankle) and James Starks (unknown) did not practice.

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 40m40 minutes ago
Eddie Lacy at practice. Mitchell Henry also back after re-signing onto practice squad #Packers

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 41m41 minutes ago
Ty Montgomery and James Starks only players not practicing. Perry, Raji, Burnett and Adams all in pads #Packers

MM PC: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/337150871.html
-expects Adams and Burnett to practice and be back
-(On self-scout) ... Just recognizing the fact of how people are going to try to attack us in the future. San Diego's empty formation. We call it shrink. ... Just having some cleaner things as we move forward there
-(On tackling this year) Same thing. We need to be better. You look at the numbers. We're going to hit today just like we always do.

[pbmax]

Raji was back at practice today. In celebration, we provide evidence that BJ might have been held at some point during the Seattle game.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSRJGtsUwAAYGHB.jpg:large

[pbmax]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 6s7 seconds ago
2012-14
Broncos: 6-4 at home vs. playoff teams
Packers: 1-9 on road vs. playoff teams (beat 2012 Texans, a Kubiak/Wade team)

[mraynrand]

James Starks (unknown)

low blow

[Fritz]

Dante Adams sounded a little unsure of his ankle. I hope he's not that guy who really is afraid to test it and can't play injured.

Since it's an AFC game, would the team be more inclined to rest guys?

[Pugger]

Dante Adams sounded a little unsure of his ankle. I hope he's not that guy who really is afraid to test it and can't play injured.

Since it's an AFC game, would the team be more inclined to rest guys?

Where did you read/hear Adams was unsure of his ankle?

[pbmax]

Most of the attention was focused on Adams, whose injured ankle has sidelined him since the early minutes of a win over the Kansas City Chiefs on Sept. 28. Though practice was light Monday, Adams said he went through seven-on-seven drills and participated more than he had at any point in the last few weeks.

"Still not where I quite want it to be, but it's a lot better," Adams said.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-return-to-practice-after-week-of-rest-rehab-b99603740z1-337335931.html

Same article on Monty and Starks:


Both players were on the field as observers, and Montgomery had a heavy dose of tape on his ankle.

[mraynrand]

heavy dose of tape?

Did he get a prescription?

[pbmax]

Football Outsiders: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2015/week-7-dvoa-ratings

Packers 3rd overall, 4th Offense, 7th Defense, 9th Special Teams

Broncos 11th overall, 32nd Offense, 1st Defense, 10th Special Teams

[denverYooper]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 6s7 seconds ago
2012-14
Broncos: 6-4 at home vs. playoff teams
Packers: 1-9 on road vs. playoff teams (beat 2012 Texans, a Kubiak/Wade team)

They are both different teams now, but the Packers have been less than stellar on the road against playoff teams going back a couple of years. How many of those were against the Seahawks or the 49ers? Those NFCW teams owned them in 12-14. The tide's turned there a bit.

It'll be interesting to see how the Packers fare. The games against tough defenses on the road haven't gone well since 2011, but they seem a little better balanced now so that should help.

[pbmax]

They are both different teams now, but the Packers have been less than stellar on the road against playoff teams going back a couple of years. How many of those were against the Seahawks or the 49ers? Those NFCW teams owned them in 12-14. The tide's turned there a bit.

It'll be interesting to see how the Packers fare. The games against tough defenses on the road haven't gone well since 2011, but they seem a little better balanced now so that should help.

I can't find one of the games he came up with:

Rk Tm Year Date Time LTime Opp Week G Day Result OT
1 GNB 2014 2014-09-21 1:02 1:02 DET 3 3 Sun L 7-19
2 GNB 2014 2014-09-04 8:42 5:42 SEA 1 1 Thu L 16-36
3 GNB 2013 2013-09-22 1:03 1:03 CIN 3 3 Sun L 30-34
4 GNB 2013 2013-09-08 4:26 1:26 SFO 1 1 Sun L 28-34
5 GNB 2012 2012-12-30 4:25 3:25 MIN 17 16 Sun L 34-37
6 GNB 2012 2012-10-14 8:30 7:30 HOU 6 6 Sun W 42-24
7 GNB 2012 2012-10-07 1:03 1:03 IND 5 5 Sun L 27-30
8 GNB 2012 2012-09-24 8:41 5:41 SEA 3 3 Mon L 12-14

[pbmax]

M3 at his PC:

Lacy doesn't seem bothered by his ankle, though he is heavier than his rookie year.

Starks rehabbed his injury, suffered versus the Chargers, in GB during the bye week. Details on today's official injury report.

[mraynrand]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 6s7 seconds ago
2012-14
Broncos: 6-4 at home vs. playoff teams
Packers: 1-9 on road vs. playoff teams (beat 2012 Texans, a Kubiak/Wade team)


I can't find one of the games he came up with: Actually, two. It's 1-7.

1-9 must Include the playoff games, no?

[Pugger]

M3 at his PC:

Lacy doesn't seem bothered by his ankle, though he is heavier than his rookie year.

Starks rehabbed his injury, suffered versus the Chargers, in GB during the bye week. Details on today's official injury report.

Where will we find today's injury report?

[Airin' Rodgers]

I can't find one of the games he came up with:

Rk Tm Year Date Time LTime Opp Week G Day Result OT
1 GNB 2014 2014-09-21 1:02 1:02 DET 3 3 Sun L 7-19
2 GNB 2014 2014-09-04 8:42 5:42 SEA 1 1 Thu L 16-36
3 GNB 2013 2013-09-22 1:03 1:03 CIN 3 3 Sun L 30-34
4 GNB 2013 2013-09-08 4:26 1:26 SFO 1 1 Sun L 28-34
5 GNB 2012 2012-12-30 4:25 3:25 MIN 17 16 Sun L 34-37
6 GNB 2012 2012-10-14 8:30 7:30 HOU 6 6 Sun W 42-24
7 GNB 2012 2012-10-07 1:03 1:03 IND 5 5 Sun L 27-30
8 GNB 2012 2012-09-24 8:41 5:41 SEA 3 3 Mon L 12-14

Interesting but maybe meaningless.

3 of the games came against the NFC West teams, who we notoriously struggle with.

Cincinnati and Detroit were both early games while we were mired in slow starts.

Minnesota was a meaningless week 17 game for us while they needed it to get into the playoffs. (if I remember correctly)

Indianapolis I have no excuse for. That was a massive collapse.

[pbmax]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 32m32 minutes ago
Hopefully we see a lot more of Abby through the course of the season. He can be a Wes Welker type for Aaron.

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 32m32 minutes ago
It would be great if MM during the bye week went back to 2013 and saw how Jared Abbrederis caught 10 balls for 207 yards vs Bradley Roby.

[pbmax]

Rk Tm Year Date Time LTime Opp Week G Day Result OT
1 GNB 2014 2015-01-18 3:06 12:06 SEA 20 18 Sun L 22-28 OT
2 GNB 2014 2014-09-21 1:02 1:02 DET 3 3 Sun L 7-19
3 GNB 2014 2014-09-04 8:42 5:42 SEA 1 1 Thu L 16-36
4 GNB 2013 2013-09-22 1:03 1:03 CIN 3 3 Sun L 30-34
5 GNB 2013 2013-09-08 4:26 1:26 SFO 1 1 Sun L 28-34
6 GNB 2012 2013-01-12 8:25 5:25 SFO 19 18 Sat L 31-45
7 GNB 2012 2012-12-30 4:25 3:25 MIN 17 16 Sun L 34-37
8 GNB 2012 2012-10-14 8:30 7:30 HOU 6 6 Sun W 42-24
9 GNB 2012 2012-10-07 1:03 1:03 IND 5 5 Sun L 27-30
10 GNB 2012 2012-09-24 8:41 5:41 SEA 3 3 Mon L 12-14

Playoffs it was.

[pbmax]

Interesting but maybe meaningless.

3 of the games came against the NFC West teams, who we notoriously struggle with.

Cincinnati and Detroit were both early games while we were mired in slow starts.

Minnesota was a meaningless week 17 game for us while they needed it to get into the playoffs. (if I remember correctly)

Indianapolis I have no excuse for. That was a massive collapse.

I know what you are saying, but struggling this hard against playoff teams on the road (and home playoff games) is not an indication of a superior team.

[smuggler]

All of those gamesz were close except last years Seattle opener. The fail mary game is in there too. I agree it does not reflect well on the team. Specifically the coach.

[ThunderDan]

All of those gamesz were close except last years Seattle opener. The fail mary game is in there too. I agree it does not reflect well on the team. Specifically the coach.

Maybe not, but maybe it does. How did those teams that the Packers loss to do in their other home games that specific year?

If the Packers are losing by 1 score to a team that goes 8-0 or 7-1 at home and wins on average by double digits that seems to be OK.

[smuggler]

I think 4-6 would be okay. Since we're more like 2-8, we are close to being okay. But not.

[pittstang5]

Where will we find today's injury report?

Packers.com

And he has a hip.

Isn't this status quo for Starks. Has a great game and always gets hurt.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lacy and Starks are injuries waiting to happen, will always be that way.

[mraynrand]

I think 4-6 would be okay. Since we're more like 2-8, we are close to being okay. But not.

If we have to lose, I'm OK to losing to the very best teams on the road, except in the playoffs.

[Joemailman]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 6s7 seconds ago
2012-14
Broncos: 6-4 at home vs. playoff teams
Packers: 1-9 on road vs. playoff teams (beat 2012 Texans, a Kubiak/Wade team)

I don't think there's anything extraordinary about the 1-9. Last year 5 of the 6 NFC playoff teams were a combined 37-3 at home. Playoff teams almost always win at home. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's not unusual either.

[Patler]

I don't think there's anything extraordinary about the 1-9. Last year 5 of the 6 NFC playoff teams were a combined 37-3 at home. Playoff teams almost always win at home. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's not unusual either.
DP

[Patler]

I don't think there's anything extraordinary about the 1-9. Last year 5 of the 6 NFC playoff teams were a combined 37-3 at home. Playoff teams almost always win at home. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's not unusual either.

MM has said the goal is to win the home games and be no worse than .500 on the road, which gives you 12 wins, a record most would think is quite good. With 12 of 32 teams making the playoffs, an 8 game road schedule should have , on average 3 playoff teams. Presumably those are your toughest games. Even if you lose them all, you can still be 13-3, which would be very successful.

[Cleft Crusty]

MM has said the goal is to win the home games and be no worse than .500 on the road, which gives you 12 wins, a record most would think is quite good. With 12 of 32 teams making the playoffs, an 8 game road schedule should have , on average 3 playoff teams. Presumably those are your toughest games. Even if you lose them all, you can still be 13-3, which would be very successful.

For the Packers (or any division winner), they are likely to contain more and challenging road games against playoff contenders, because the two at large games are against the other Division winners (guaranteed playoff teams), and one of those is on the road. Of course, past results don't necessarily predict the future (this year's at large games are versus Division winners Carolina and Dallas), but the point is that in the NFL, success lines you up with more battles against other successful teams.

[Joemailman]

Packers have 5 road games left this year against teams that are currently in playoff position (Denver, Carolina, Minnesota, Oakland, Arizona). I'm guessing they win 3 of them.

[Fritz]

This will be a tough game, in part because it sounds like Starks and Montgomery may well be out, and they're going to have to work Adams back up to speed - I don't think he'll get too too many snaps. Plus, it'll take time for him to regain his confidence and flow.

It also appears Perry will be out. Raji I have not heard much about.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer

It's an ankle injury for Packers CB Damarious Randall, who was added to the injury report.

[Joemailman]

This will be a tough game, in part because it sounds like Starks and Montgomery may well be out, and they're going to have to work Adams back up to speed - I don't think he'll get too too many snaps. Plus, it'll take time for him to regain his confidence and flow.

It also appears Perry will be out. Raji I have not heard much about.

You're right about Montgomery, but maybe not the others.


Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer

Rookie cornerback Damarious Randall was not practicing Thursday. Expect he will be added to the Packers injury report. Only other player not practicing was WR Ty Montgomery (ankle).
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[pbmax]

For the Packers (or any division winner), they are likely to contain more and challenging road games against playoff contenders, because the two at large games are against the other Division winners (guaranteed playoff teams), and one of those is on the road. Of course, past results don't necessarily predict the future (this year's at large games are versus Division winners Carolina and Dallas), but the point is that in the NFL, success lines you up with more battles against other successful teams.


MM has said the goal is to win the home games and be no worse than .500 on the road, which gives you 12 wins, a record most would think is quite good. With 12 of 32 teams making the playoffs, an 8 game road schedule should have , on average 3 playoff teams. Presumably those are your toughest games. Even if you lose them all, you can still be 13-3, which would be very successful.


I don't think there's anything extraordinary about the 1-9. Last year 5 of the 6 NFC playoff teams were a combined 37-3 at home. Playoff teams almost always win at home. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but it's not unusual either.


If we have to lose, I'm OK to losing to the very best teams on the road, except in the playoffs.

Ain't good enough. http://pfref.com/tiny/gmZXe



Rk Tm From To W L T W-L% Count
1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2012 2014 5 4 0 0.556 9 Ind. Games
2 San Diego Chargers 2012 2014 5 4 0 0.556 9 Ind. Games
3 Seattle Seahawks 2012 2014 4 4 0 0.500 8 Ind. Games
4 San Francisco 49ers 2012 2014 6 8 0 0.429 14 Ind. Games
5 Philadelphia Eagles 2012 2014 3 4 0 0.429 7 Ind. Games
6 Denver Broncos 2012 2014 4 7 0 0.364 11 Ind. Games
7 Cincinnati Bengals 2012 2014 3 6 0 0.333 9 Ind. Games
8 Carolina Panthers 2012 2014 2 5 1 0.313 8 Ind. Games
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2012 2014 3 7 0 0.300 10 Ind. Games
10 Dallas Cowboys 2012 2014 3 8 0 0.273 11 Ind. Games
11 New Orleans Saints 2012 2014 3 9 0 0.250 12 Ind. Games
12 Baltimore Ravens 2012 2014 3 9 0 0.250 12 Ind. Games
13 Indianapolis Colts 2012 2014 3 10 0 0.231 13 Ind. Games
14 Atlanta Falcons 2012 2014 2 7 0 0.222 9 Ind. Games
15 Buffalo Bills 2012 2014 2 7 0 0.222 9 Ind. Games
16 Arizona Cardinals 2012 2014 3 11 0 0.214 14 Ind. Games
17 St. Louis Rams 2012 2014 1 6 1 0.188 8 Ind. Games
18 Houston Texans 2012 2014 2 9 0 0.182 11 Ind. Games
19 Miami Dolphins 2012 2014 2 9 0 0.182 11 Ind. Games
20 New York Giants 2012 2014 2 10 0 0.167 12 Ind. Games
21 Washington Redskins 2013 2014 1 5 0 0.167 6 Ind. Games
22 New England Patriots 2012 2014 1 6 0 0.143 7 Ind. Games
23 Minnesota Vikings 2012 2014 1 9 1 0.136 11 Ind. Games
24 Kansas City Chiefs 2012 2014 1 7 0 0.125 8 Ind. Games
25 Chicago Bears 2012 2014 1 8 0 0.111 9 Ind. Games
26 Green Bay Packers 2012 2014 1 9 0 0.100 10 Ind. Games
27 Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 2014 1 9 0 0.100 10 Ind. Games
28 Cleveland Browns 2012 2014 1 11 0 0.083 12 Ind. Games
29 Oakland Raiders 2012 2014 0 11 0 0.000 11 Ind. Games
30 Detroit Lions 2012 2014 0 10 0 0.000 10 Ind. Games
31 Tennessee Titans 2012 2014 0 10 0 0.000 10 Ind. Games
32 New York Jets 2012 2014 0 7 0 0.000 7 Ind. Games

[smuggler]

Notice, too that New England is ranked #22.

Actually, the trend appears to be that most of the teams ranked higher up...

it's not just that they tend to be good teams, but specifically that they have had good defenses.

[pbmax]

Notice, too that New England is ranked #22.

Actually, the trend appears to be that most of the teams ranked higher up...

it's not just that they tend to be good teams, but specifically that they have had good defenses.

Yes, kind of a mixed bag up top. But the Steeler D has been awful for 3 years. That's Ben right there. Chargers D has been a mixed bag. Eagles, Bucs, Saints? D helps but something else I suspect. I suspect M3 is still too willing to take the ball out of his QB's hands.

Lot of high variance QBs up there.

[smuggler]

The fact that Brady and Rodgers are in the bottom half of the league means something. These are also really small sample sizes, as are most in the NFL.

[pbmax]

OK, but who is the next good team down there with them? The Giants? Bottom of that list is putrid with GB and NE exceptions.

[mraynrand]

GB lost 5 games to Seattle and he Niners, both teams who have recently been in three superbowls and NFCCGs. The Packers are mostly getting beaten by superior playoff teams on the road. Also, if you're gonna lose a game, it's most likely to be against better teams, on the road. This isn't that hard to understand.

[mraynrand]

I would really like to see GB's defense throttle Manning. I fear that Capers will defend the Manning of several years ago and give up a ton of underneath short passes, instead of going on a tear and clobbering the hell out of the guy.

[Patler]

OK, but who is the next good team down there with them? The Giants? Bottom of that list is putrid with GB and NE exceptions.

Yet, aren't NE and GB the teams with the best overall records for the last whatever number of years? Both are virtually unbeatable at home. What does it matter that they have done poorly against playoff teams on the road?

[pbmax]

Yet, aren't NE and GB the teams with the best overall records for the last whatever number of years? Both are virtually unbeatable at home. What does it matter that they have done poorly against playoff teams on the road?

Mostly it would matter because good teams on the road is a frequent playoff situation.

Rand is right that at least two of those games are playoff losses to the NFCW and that is, in and of itself, an enviable place to be. But unless you are going to get home field every year, its even tougher to win out with that kind of performance.

[pbmax]

Speaking of winning at home, M3 and the Packers are 6-3 versus playoff teams in that stretch. Here are the overall numbers regardless of Home/Away.



Rk Tm From To W L T W-L% Count
1 Seattle Seahawks 2012 2014 18 6 0 0.750 24 Ind. Games
2 New England Patriots 2012 2014 14 8 0 0.636 22 Ind. Games
3 Pittsburgh Steelers 2012 2014 10 7 0 0.588 17 Ind. Games
4 Indianapolis Colts 2012 2014 12 11 0 0.522 23 Ind. Games
5 Cincinnati Bengals 2012 2014 9 9 1 0.500 19 Ind. Games
6 San Francisco 49ers 2012 2014 11 12 0 0.478 23 Ind. Games
7 Denver Broncos 2012 2014 10 12 0 0.455 22 Ind. Games
8 Baltimore Ravens 2012 2014 10 13 0 0.435 23 Ind. Games
9 San Diego Chargers 2012 2014 8 12 0 0.400 20 Ind. Games
10 Carolina Panthers 2012 2014 7 11 1 0.395 19 Ind. Games
11 Green Bay Packers 2012 2014 7 12 0 0.368 19 Ind. Games
12 St. Louis Rams 2012 2014 7 13 1 0.357 21 Ind. Games
13 Miami Dolphins 2012 2014 7 13 0 0.350 20 Ind. Games
14 New Orleans Saints 2012 2014 7 14 0 0.333 21 Ind. Games
15 Arizona Cardinals 2012 2014 7 15 0 0.318 22 Ind. Games
16 Philadelphia Eagles 2012 2014 5 12 0 0.294 17 Ind. Games
17 Dallas Cowboys 2012 2014 5 13 0 0.278 18 Ind. Games
18 Minnesota Vikings 2012 2014 5 14 1 0.275 20 Ind. Games
19 Houston Texans 2012 2014 6 17 0 0.261 23 Ind. Games
20 Atlanta Falcons 2012 2014 5 15 0 0.250 20 Ind. Games
21 New York Giants 2012 2014 5 16 0 0.238 21 Ind. Games
22 Buffalo Bills 2012 2014 4 13 0 0.235 17 Ind. Games
23 New York Jets 2012 2014 4 13 0 0.235 17 Ind. Games
24 Washington Redskins 2012 2014 4 13 0 0.235 17 Ind. Games
25 Chicago Bears 2012 2014 4 16 0 0.200 20 Ind. Games
26 Cleveland Browns 2012 2014 4 16 0 0.200 20 Ind. Games
27 Detroit Lions 2012 2014 3 16 0 0.158 19 Ind. Games
28 Kansas City Chiefs 2012 2014 3 16 0 0.158 19 Ind. Games
29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2012 2014 3 17 0 0.150 20 Ind. Games
30 Oakland Raiders 2012 2014 1 17 0 0.056 18 Ind. Games
31 Tennessee Titans 2012 2014 1 19 0 0.050 20 Ind. Games
32 Jacksonville Jaguars 2012 2014 1 20 0 0.048 21 Ind. Games

[mraynrand]

Speaking of winning at home, M3 and the Packers are 6-3 versus playoff teams in that stretch. Here are the overall numbers regardless of Home/Away.

They are exactly where you would expect them to be for a perennial playoff team that hasn't reached the Super Bowl. All the recent Superbowl participants are above them, as expected. In other words, the W-L records are just reflecting what you already knew.

[pbmax]

Are you sure? Steelers, Bengals, Colts, Chargers and Panthers are ahead. Right behind them are the Rams, Dolphins and Cardinals. I do agree a Super Bowl run, just like a trip to the Final Four, makes all these cumulative playoff records look much better. So the wild card run in 2010 probably had them close to the top on this list for the time. Bo Ryan's March record looked run of the mill until the last two seasons.

There is also something to be said for being the new team and getting a lot of shots on the road versus good but older teams who might not be on the rise (Seahawks versus Packers, Packers versus Falcons in 2010). Weak Divisions also play a role here in granting playoff home games (Falcons as well).

But I do see here some indication of the close games problem (which is laughable overall no matter what JSO thinks) overlapping with the less than stellar record against playoff teams. And I lay this at the feet of strategic decisions. It doesn't explain Bostick, but it does explain three FB dives into the line.

[mraynrand]

Are you sure? Steelers, Bengals, Colts, Chargers and Panthers are ahead. Right behind them are the Rams, Dolphins and Cardinals.

Without knowing their exact wins and losses, and injury circumstances, it seems like a wash to me. Did they beat WC teams or SB teams?

I'm not sure what you want these numbers to show. The Packers lose to superior teams on the road during the season and playoffs. Other than last years' NFCCG and maybe that game at MN, I didn't think GB was the better team in any of those games, or not significantly better at least to cancel out the home field advantage.

Packers aren't knock-your-sock-off better than other playoff teams in the NFL. They are a solid well, coached, well organized team with depth and two, maybe three game-changer players. They have to stay healthy and have their QB playing almost perfect to win the championship.

[pbmax]

I don't think that altering tactics in the way I am suggesting changes those numbers except marginally, but I think the Packers were the better team last year and would have 2 more wins on that list with different tactics even with Rodgers' injury.

Would they make a difference in end of season result in 2012? Nope. 49ers still run them over. 2013? Defense was OK, offense couldn't get past 49er D.

But let's play devil's advocate for a moment and say the Packers do not lose 2 or 3 games they coughed up at the end (especially the come from behind win then lose flavored types) in the last 3 years. You factor that in, and suddenly you are hosting another playoff game or two.

We often have said here that staying playoff competitive is something that few other orgs have managed beyond a 3-5 year window. Packers are very successful. but that is not to say there are not things they can still do better that come into focus mainly against better teams.

[mraynrand]

hard to argue with that. 2 more wins - shoulda happened. But that can go in the Halloween horrors thread...

[Teamcheez1]

Not happy that Raji is listed as questionable.

I expected Starks, Montgomery, Perry, and Randall to all be questionable.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h3 hours ago
Meanwhile, #Packers list Davante Adams, Morgan Burnett and Nate Palmer as PROBABLE for #Broncos.

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h3 hours ago
#Packers list Montgomery, Starks, Perry, Raji and Randall as QUESTIONABLE for #Broncos.

[pbmax]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 1h1 hour ago
Most TD passes of 70+ yards, NFL history
Aaron Rodgers - 16
Peyton Manning - 16
Drew Brees - 15
Brett Favre - 15

[Teamcheez1]

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 1h1 hour ago
Most TD passes of 70+ yards, NFL history
Aaron Rodgers - 16
Peyton Manning - 16
Drew Brees - 15
Brett Favre - 15

How many have Manning and Rodgers had this season?

[George Cumby]

Hey Rand, not that you care but that Avatar is much better. Old School Cool.

[pbmax]

In his last eight road games against teams that finished with winning records, the Green Bay Packers have lost all eight times....

The tie that puts a bow around most of those losses is they came against defenses that finished in the top five in scoring. In fact, each of the last seven of those losses came against those elite defenses. Here they are, in chronological order:
2014: NFC championship. Seattle 28-22. Rodgers 1 TD, 2 INTs, 55.8 rating
2014: Week 15. Buffalo 21-13. Rodgers 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 34.3 rating
2014: Week 3. Detroit 19-7. Rodgers 1 TD, 0 INTs, 88.8 rating
2014: Week 1. Seattle 36-16. Rodgers 1 TD, 1 INT, 81.5 rating
2013: Week 3. Cincinnati 34-30. Rodgers 1 TD, 2 INTs, 64.5 rating
2013: Week 1. San Francisco 34-28. Rodgers 3 TDs, 1 INT, 102.5 rating
2012: Divisional playoffs. San Francisco 45-31. Rodgers 2 TDs, 1 INT, 91.5 rating

The offense shoulders limited blame in the first four (45, 34, 34, 36 points allowed respectively). But the last 3 (averaging: 14 points for, 22.7 points against) is on the offense.

This game will be a defensive struggle. Packers have done well on opening drives and first quarters even with limited personnel. They will need an adjustment to the inevitable adjustment this time.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/packers/story/1605594-world-s-best-preview-road-kill

[mraynrand]

Hey Rand, not that you care but that Avatar is much better. Old School Cool.

I even cleaned her chompers. Folks in the 70's didn't have good whiteners yet.

http://packerrats.com/image.php?u=130&dateline=1446239799

[pbmax]

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 4h4 hours ago
INJURY UPDATES: B.J. Raji & Damarious Randall upgraded to PROBABLE for #GBvsDEN: http://pack.rs/3xgut

[denverYooper]

I saw a lot of Packer gear downtown today.

[Patler]

Abbrederis on KO returns??

[George Cumby]

What's the line on how many returns before he's concussed?

[mraynrand]

What's the line on how many returns before he's concussed?

Check with Vegas. Gotta be 10-20 range.

[George Cumby]

That many?