More Banjo: Week 13 @ Lions

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Gregg Rosenthal ‏@greggrosenthal 12m12 minutes ago
The Packers were 79 yards away from the end zone with 6 seconds left. And they won.

Montreal Max ‏@StardustBook 14m14 minutes ago
@PaulPabst Biggest comeback in 173 games between Lions & Packers

Jersey Al - GBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 8m8 minutes ago
Glad Golden Tate was there to experience this in person... #Packers

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless Nov 26
Aaron Rodgers: unclutch.

Steve Czaban ‏@czabe 11m11 minutes ago
Packer fans, your Christmas card photo is ready!


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Randall Liu ‏@RLiuNFL 19m19 minutes ago
Last 3 @NFL games have ended on final play:

DEN 30, NE 24 (OT) on Sunday night
BAL 33, CLE 27 on Monday night
GB 27, DET 23 tonight

Derek Schultz ‏@Schultz975 34m34 minutes ago
In four days, we've had the most Browns finish ever and the most Lions finish ever.

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 16m16 minutes ago
I love that the ex-refs on TV and twitter (@RefereeJimD and Mike Carey) disagree on the face mask. Is there any rule we all agree on?

FRONT RUN. FRONT RUN. SURE LOOKED LIKE A FACEMASK IN REAL TIME. REFS DON'T GET SLO-MO REPLAYS ON FACEMASK. EVEN IF IT WAS WRONG, SO WAS THE NON CALLED DPI. CALLS ARE MISSED ON BOTH SIDES AND EVEN OUT IN THE END IF YOU HAVE A DICK ROD.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 37m37 minutes ago
Rodgers threw that ball a good 70 yards in the air and he threw It very high. Rodgers was the trail guy and just jumped over everyone.

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Cobb was the guy looking to catch a rebound that bounced forward. Might have had a chance if it bounced off Adams/Rodgers.

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ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 37m37 minutes ago
There have been 4 completions thrown at least 60 yards beyond line of scrimmage in last 10 seasons. Aaron Rodgers has 2 of them

[mraynrand]

The only thing that would have made that play better is if Jim Nantz could have told an old college story about Rodgers having his bowels resected and playing a game the next week just before that final TD throw.

[mraynrand]

Are we now guaranteed to have no more 1991 flashbacks next year when these teams play?

[mraynrand]

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Now my computer wallpaper

[denverYooper]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 4m4 minutes ago
Unbelievable locker room. All Rodgers could do was smile at me and say 'unbelievable.' Sitton: "Just like we drew it up."

[call_me_ishmael]

Not Banjo (I am not quite clear on what 'Banjo' is), but I am taking my hat off for Matt Ryan. It seemed like a significant improvement over Nate Palmer. He looked fast and seemed to be around the ball a lot.

The D really had a pretty good night given the terrible situations the O put them in. I think they played a pretty good game in general.

[denverYooper]

Michael Rodney ‏@PackersNotes 27m27 minutes ago
Don't look now, but Rodgers has 48 catches and 6 TDs. 14 catches away from setting franchise record for most receptions by TE in a season.

[mraynrand]

Michael Rodney ‏@PackersNotes 27m27 minutes ago
Don't look now, but Rodgers has 48 catches and 6 TDs. 14 catches away from setting franchise record for most receptions by TE in a season.

He will be holding out for Gronk money come next summer.

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From Mike Heller's TV and Phone: If you watch closely, you can see John Kuhn and Nate Palmer giving A-A-Ron some sage advice before the throw.



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[Bossman641]

Not Banjo (I am not quite clear on what 'Banjo' is), but I am taking my hat off for Matt Ryan. It seemed like a significant improvement over Nate Palmer. He looked fast and seemed to be around the ball a lot.

The D really had a pretty good night given the terrible situations the O put them in. I think they played a pretty good game in general.

Jake Ryan, but ya I agree. Time to keep Palmer on the bench, he's too up and down.

[Carolina_Packer]

or rotate Palmer, Ryan and Thomas

[ThunderDan]

Jake Ryan, but ya I agree. Time to keep Palmer on the bench, he's too up and down.

Ryan had 10 tackles with 6 solos.

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If Magic is on the bottom of that pile, he will be questionable next week. Even with 10 days off.


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Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 1h1 hour ago
McCarthy: What a great game to be a part of. Needed a win like that. We've been up & down. Just keep battling, that's the story of the win.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 1h1 hour ago
McCarthy: This team has a lot of fight.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 1h1 hour ago
McCarthy on final play: When you throw it with that arc, it gives guys a chance...Richard's the perfect guy for that type of situation.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 56m56 minutes ago
McCarthy on defense: They gave us a chance, that's what they need to do. They did some good things today.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 55m55 minutes ago
McCarthy: This win brings a lot of energy...It's a division win, which is important. We had to come in here & win this game.

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Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 50m50 minutes ago
Rodgers: Big win for us...This one obviously ranks up there as one of the greatest joys we've had on the field.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 49m49 minutes ago
Rodgers: I knew it was going to get to the end zone. Felt good about the throw. Guys were in good position, Richard made incredible play.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 46m46 minutes ago
Rodgers: After Davante's TD catch, I think guys started to believe we could get it done.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 45m45 minutes ago
Rodgers on the win: It's the greatest feeling. We're blessed to play this game. You live for days like this.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 43m43 minutes ago
Rodgers: I threw some moon-balls to Richard in pregame & he caught 2 out of 3. Glad he made it 3 of 4 on that last one.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 41m41 minutes ago
Rodgers: You live for those moments, ball in your hand late. We've had frustrations last couple weeks...takes a little miracle like that.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 40m40 minutes ago
Rodgers: It's a grind for us right now. We're inconsistent on offense. We can't be that type of football team.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 40m40 minutes ago
Rodgers: We kept fighting, pushed through the adversity. I'm proud of our guys.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 38m38 minutes ago
Rodgers: This one goes right to the top, right below the feeling when the ball hit the ground in the Super Bowl.

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Brett A. Hundley Jr ‏@BrettHundley17 39m39 minutes ago
What a time to be alive!
#MiracleInMotown https://www.instagram.com/p/-27CNHiT35/

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I think Raji is lifting him up


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[call_me_ishmael]

Is that McCarthy? Long hair in the back.

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Dave Burkett @davebirkett Retweeted Casey Baker
Caldwell said they were expecting a lateral play instead of a Hail Mary

That's not as nuts as it sounds. There is talk that it was the longest Hail Mary ever completed at 61 yards (in the air).

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 47m47 minutes ago
Richard Rodgers joked that he might get a missed assignment on the TD. His job is to box out for Adams and wait for a possible tip.

Almost a Bostickler.

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Here ya go, facemask on a Vine.

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[Smidgeon]

Not Banjo (I am not quite clear on what 'Banjo' is), but I am taking my hat off for Matt Ryan. It seemed like a significant improvement over Nate Palmer. He looked fast and seemed to be around the ball a lot.

The D really had a pretty good night given the terrible situations the O put them in. I think they played a pretty good game in general.

Jake Ryan had a lot of tackles, but I'm not sold. He seems to be a meh player to me. Around the ball, but in the kind of way where you look up and say "Oh, where did you come from?" I'm hoping he gets better, because I think he's very upgradeable at this point.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like Ryan. He's just terrible in coverage at this point, but he's got a knack in the run game. Has a way of diagnosing and shedding/avoiding blocks. He also looks like he has the size and speed to be a pretty good blitzer. I could see him developing into a Desmond Bishop quality player.

[Carolina_Packer]

Hey Harvey, how about some John Crockett love? He looked like he had fresh legs, some wiggle and power. My 12 year old and I like to watch draft prospects before the draft and were excited that he got an opportunity with the Packers. I feel bad for Alonzo Harris, but he didn't really feel like a change of pace from Lacy or Starks; Crockett does have more elusiveness. I know it's a small sample size, but he seemed to see the cut back lanes and has good make you miss shake and well as power. He looked good and they needed his boost. Good for him! I hope he continues to get opportunities.

[mraynrand]

Ryan had 10 tackles with 6 solos.

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[mraynrand]

Is that McCarthy? Long hair in the back.

guessing trgo

[SkinBasket]

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James motherfucking Jones playing defense on Adams. Fucking brilliant.

On the positive side, I thought DickRod played it real cool. When Rodgers let the ball go, DickRod just kind of turned around casually and sauntered toward the end zone, then turns around is all like "Watch me jump niggas! Rainbow coalition without the rape allegation!" Again, meanwhile James Jones is freaking the fuck out tackling our intended receiver. I also love that DickRod always has a smile on his face - running, catching, being tackled, winning games... he just don't stop smiling.

[mraynrand]

I also love that DickRod always has a smile on his face - running, catching, being tackled, winning games... he just don't stop smiling.

He's like a Donald Driver out there!

[Tony Oday]

Crockett looked like a kid in Toys R Us with Bill Gate's Black Card. Lacy looked like a kid at a birthday party that can't eat cake because he is fat.

[Patler]

I think Jones did exactly what they want him to do at that point, keep people off the front receiver's back. He wiped out the whole pile behind Rogers, who was able to come down with hardly anyone contesting the catch. A few extended arms, but no bodies on him. If Jones didn't do what he did, the entire mass would have pushed forward toward the ball, probably ruining anyone's chance to catch it directly, leaving it up to Cobb to try and catch a deflection.

I said right away that the guy on the right (didn't catch that it was Jones right away) cleared out the interference so Rodgers could come down with it almost uncontested.

[SkinBasket]

I said right away that the guy on the right (didn't catch that it was Jones right away) cleared out the interference so Rodgers could come down with it almost uncontested.

I agree that is how it happened, but everyone is also saying that Adams was supposed to catch the ball. Would have been hard with Jones all up in his business. Maybe I'm being too harsh. I suppose I haven't allowed for the possibility that Jones adjusted his role on the fly and lent his body to the success of the play, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself that he's that smart.

[Fritz]

To me Jake Ryan played like he did at Michigan - lots of tackles, but always four or five yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Kind of "meh" to me. But Palmer seems less strong.

I want to nominate Crockett for the Fuckdoggle. That guy found some narrow spaces and slithered through. Lacy and Starks kept running into the pile, though the offensive line didn't do shit for them.

In truth, the team looked listless, really awful, for most of the game. The two plays that I thought would mark the game (before the Hail Mary) were the third down drop by Adams, I think, after the Packers had pulled to within 6 at 20 - 14, and the defense's failure to stop the Lions on third-and-12 when there were about two-and-a-half minutes left.

When Adams dropped what would have been a huge third down conversion, you could almost see the air go out of the team on the sideline.

Rodgers wouldn't even talk to his teammates during the play stoppage at the end. It looked bad. I wonder if his kinder words about Adams (the importance ofhis earlier TD catch) and his teammates were designed to makeup a little for Rodgers's standoffishness and to pump up Adams, whose confidence is probably low.

I must say, this still looks like one fuckedup team. The offense went backward - not even a running game last night. And Masthay's punts you could see them - were not very high nor very far. He's a guy who could be fired.

I am unfortunately not heartened for the team's near future, unless this Hail Mary somehow galvanizes them.

[Patler]

Rodgers wouldn't even talk to his teammates during the play stoppage at the end. It looked bad. I wonder if his kinder words about Adams (the importance ofhis earlier TD catch) and his teammates were designed to makeup a little for Rodgers's standoffishness and to pump up Adams, whose confidence is probably low.

I had similar thoughts after his touchdown run. His ball spike and fist pumps were an individual celebration, and he appeared to almost brush off a few teammates' attempted acknowledgments.

[Fritz]

Funny, that passed through my mind as he scored. I thought he looked as if he was thinking, "fuck you all, I'm going to have to do this by myself."

At the end of the game, he'd go to the sidelines and talk to, I think, Clements, while Tolzien stood there. The rest of the team was on the field together. This happened twice that I saw.

Thus I was surprised at his kind words after the game about the team, and its fight and heart and all that. I think he may well be trying to make up for his boorish behavior, and to maybe try a change of tactics with Davante Adams - pump him up instead of tearing him down.

But I suppose nobody has to like the guy. They just have to be willing to go to war with him, metaphorically.

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watching it all full speed, you can clearly see the facemask go down, and the helmet jerk quite a bit when the hand gets there

when its slowed down, it looks like the hand just briefly grazed the facemask

but i think in reality, it was a pretty hard shot to the facemask

[ThunderDan]

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They were talking about the facemask call on the Dan Patrick show this morning. Per the exact wording of the rule that would be:

GRASPING FACEMASK
Article 5 No player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Penalty: For twisting, turning, or pulling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may
be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature.
A.R. 12.12 Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1’s
facemask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn, or pull.
Ruling: A’s ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No Foul.

That super slo-mo shows a definite twist.

[MadScientist]

watching it all full speed, you can clearly see the facemask go down, and the helmet jerk quite a bit when the hand gets there

when its slowed down, it looks like the hand just briefly grazed the facemask

but i think in reality, it was a pretty hard shot to the facemask

The thing about 'grazing' that we forget is that those rubberized gloves are incredibly grippy. Grazing is almost like gripping with them on. With bare hands, the hand would have just slid and AR's helmet would not have turned as much, and the refs might not have called it. As the NFLN commentators noted, the defender acted like he got caught, not like he got jobbed by the call.

[Fritz]

Even from where we sat in the stands, you could see Roders's helmet twist suddenly. I just didn't think they'd call it, but they did.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hey Harvey, how about some John Crockett love? He looked like he had fresh legs, some wiggle and power. My 12 year old and I like to watch draft prospects before the draft and were excited that he got an opportunity with the Packers. I feel bad for Alonzo Harris, but he didn't really feel like a change of pace from Lacy or Starks; Crockett does have more elusiveness. I know it's a small sample size, but he seemed to see the cut back lanes and has good make you miss shake and well as power. He looked good and they needed his boost. Good for him! I hope he continues to get opportunities.

Well, not sure he has the speed to be anymore than a third string guy, but what we've seen of him in preseason and last night is what I saw of him in college. He's a good all around RB. He can cut, reads holes, solid receiver, willing blocker, fights hard. His lack of speed is pretty evident though, so I'm guessing he doesn't turn into anything more than a Tony Fisher-type player. But for one night it was nice to see him provide a spark to the team.

[deake]

What happened to Eddy? Looks like he is in the dog house. Did something happen at practice?

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What happened to Eddy? Looks like he is in the dog house. Did something happen at practice?

he had 2-100 yard games in a row

can't make m3 look that bad

[Fosco33]

Other Impact plays...

Jones' deflection on the int
Cobb fumble td
Crosby's missed fg
Peppers offsides leading to another fg

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i slap to the qb's helmet is a 15 yard penalty too, right?

that clearly happened on the play

so case closed

[Fosco33]

But he was a runner at that point. Watching it live I thought it was weak. I also didn't think there was PI on the prior play. Defender turned and has right to make a play. Refs will rarely make that call as it would've given us chance at the fg.

Given our shitty luck and bad calls over the years - karma owed us one :)

[SkinBasket]

I also didn't think there was PI on the prior play. Defender turned and has right to make a play.

Except he initiated the contact with the receiver before he turned, and even then never played the ball.

[mraynrand]

But he was a runner at that point. Watching it live I thought it was weak. I also didn't think there was PI on the prior play. Defender turned and has right to make a play. Refs will rarely make that call as it would've given us chance at the fg.

Given our shitty luck and bad calls over the years - karma owed us one :)

Yeah, after I settled down, I concede that they shouldn't call PI on the deep throw. Even though the Lion prevented the comeback to the ball, he was turned and playing the ball. He has an equal right to it and can 'box out' - his "PI" was less aggressive than James Jones' PI on Adams.

[mraynrand]

Except he initiated the contact with the receiver before he turned, and even then never played the ball.

I'll look at it again, but I think he was turned before contact. It's a pretty craft play. The refs will allow a lot if your head is turned and looking for the ball.

[SkinBasket]

I'll look at it again, but I think he was turned before contact. It's a pretty craft play. The refs will allow a lot if your head is turned and looking for the ball.

I admit, it was pretty fucking late when it happened so my memory may be foggy. I'll pay special attention when my wife watches the game this evening.

[Patler]

What happened to Eddy? Looks like he is in the dog house. Did something happen at practice?

Something is up with Lacy.
From MM's press conference today:



(On why Eddie Lacy didn't play more) Nothing happened last week with Eddie. Leading up the game, frankly, there’s an internal football decision that was made. That’s what resulted in Eddie’s reps.
(So it wasn’t disciplinary?): Could be. But those things we don’t discuss in here anyway. It’s something that we handled internally, and that was the outcome.
(What can he do to improve) He needs to build off his preparation. He’s put up some yards in the prior games, but he can be better. We need to be better as a team, frankly. I discussed this in our team meeting. There’s a lot more to give. The fine details are not where we want them to be. There’s a formula for us to get it there. That was made clear to our players and with the expectations and the commitment that we’ve made to each other, and we’ve got to do a better job. We’re not clicking for four quarters in all three areas, and that’s what we’re working for.

[Joemailman]

I'm thinking MM knew the run blocking was going to be a train wreck with Lang and Bulaga out. So they went with RB's with more elusiveness. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

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ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 37m37 minutes ago
There have been 4 completions thrown at least 60 yards beyond line of scrimmage in last 10 seasons. Aaron Rodgers has 2 of them

Crazy.

[hoosier]

Something is up with Lacy.
From MM's press conference today:(On why Eddie Lacy didn't play more) Nothing happened last week with Eddie. Leading up the game, frankly, there’s an internal football decision that was made. That’s what resulted in Eddie’s reps.
(So it wasn’t disciplinary?): Could be. But those things we don’t discuss in here anyway. It’s something that we handled internally, and that was the outcome.
(What can he do to improve) He needs to build off his preparation. He’s put up some yards in the prior games, but he can be better. We need to be better as a team, frankly. I discussed this in our team meeting. There’s a lot more to give. The fine details are not where we want them to be. There’s a formula for us to get it there. That was made clear to our players and with the expectations and the commitment that we’ve made to each other, and we’ve got to do a better job. We’re not clicking for four quarters in all three areas, and that’s what we’re working for.

I was just going to ask about that. A few years ago I remember Starks having a hard time getting on the field and there were allusions to his preparation, or lack of it. I wonder if Lacy has been taking a page out of his book. The whole thing is made stranger by the fact that Lacy was the running game for the last two weeks.

[Freak Out]

I'm thinking MM knew the run blocking was going to be a train wreck with Lang and Bulaga out. So they went with RB's with more elusiveness. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

Not a bad theory Joe. I thought Rodgers was dead on the Hail Mary play for shits sake...three rushers and he was running for his life. What a joke.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Lacy missed the team curfew the night before. So he got to ride the pine.

[Fritz]

Something is up with Lacy.
From MM's press conference today:

Now we know that Lacy and Alonzo Harris missed a Wednesday night curfew in Detroit.

Nothing like a hot, trashy, Detroit stripper, I guess.

[denverYooper]

Crazy.

Who has the other 2? Flacco?

[hoosier]

We've all been wondering where the Masthay of 2011-13 went...well, apparently he was discovered in Aaron Hernandez's jail cell this week. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14292439/aaron-hernandez-moved-segregation-shank-found-cell

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Who has the other 2? Flacco?

I'll go Cutler 1 and Flacco 1

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Who has the other 2? Flacco?

Its from among a group of Big Ben, Favre and Newton.

Since 2005, there have been 6-60+ yard completions, and AR and Ben have 2 each, and the other two had one a piece.

[call_me_ishmael]

What time is curfew before a game, anyway?

[smuggler]

What time is curfew before a game, anyway?

Hard to say. The game was at 7:30 central time, so it may have been midnight.

[mraynrand]

Now we know that Lacy and Alonzo Harris missed a Wednesday night curfew in Detroit.

Nothing like a hot, trashy, Detroit stripper, I guess.

"If something is worth getting cut for, next time take me with you."

[mraynrand]

We've all been wondering where the Masthay of 2011-13 went...well, apparently he was discovered in Aaron Hernandez's jail cell this week. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14292439/aaron-hernandez-moved-segregation-shank-found-cell

shanks for bringing this to our attention.