Stupidly Early Mock Draft

[smuggler]

Because this is the kind of dumb shit I do when I can't sleep...

R1 Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama
R2 Adolphus Washington, DE, Ohio State
R3 Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford
R4 Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
R5 Bronson Kaufusi, OLB, Brigham Young
R6 Bryce Williams, TE, East Carolina
R7 Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas

Drafting three Williamseses, because, why not?

Actually, two of those guys might be well unavailable in the spots I put them. (WR) Mike Williams might have been the #1 receiver taken but he fractured a vertebra in his neck and missed the season. If he checks out medically, he'll be gone by the 4th round. If he doesn't, we won't pick him. (RB) Jonathan Williams had a foot injury and missed time. If he is healthy, he'll get taken before the 7th.

[Joemailman]

I think Packers will probably have 2 4th round comp picks for House and Tramon. I think we'll see 2 O-Linemen taken. Maybe a NT if Raji leaves.

[smuggler]

Yeah, we should have 2 comp picks. I just went with a straight mock, though.

[Joemailman]

I wonder what they'll do at WR. Will they look at this year and decide they need to draft a playmaker early? Or will they figure Jordy and Monty are coming back 100% and Adams will rebound, all of which would make Cobb better?

[Fritz]

Maybe they'll realize they need a deep threat and take a flyer on a small-school size-speed project in the seventh round!

[Deputy Nutz]

Great another receiver with a neck problem, you draft similar to Thompson

[smuggler]

Thanks. :)

[Pugger]

I wonder what they'll do at WR. Will they look at this year and decide they need to draft a playmaker early? Or will they figure Jordy and Monty are coming back 100% and Adams will rebound, all of which would make Cobb better?

We need another stud just in case Jordy isn't the same player he was before the injury. We can all see how this offense suffers without a legit #1 opposite Cobb. I like Adams and Monty but these guys are not the type of WR that keep defensive coordinators up at night.

[pbmax]

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks 2m2 minutes ago
This upcoming draft is going to be loaded with stud inside LBs. Ragland has put on a good show tonight.

[denverYooper]

Everything's coming up Dom.

[Carolina_Packer]

If the idea is to draft a running back late for roster depth, I give you Tarik Cohen of NC A&T (in Greensboro, NC) which is a traditionally black school. I know it's hard to get excited about guys who are 5-6 and 190 from smaller schoools/lesser competition, but this guy has jets like Darren Sproles. The Packers need guys to threaten opposing defenses athletically, and this guy can do that. He dominates at his level now, and showed out in their bowl this year against Alcorn State.

http://bighamp76.sportsblog.com/posts/9283471/should-tarik-cohen-declare-forthe-nfl-draft-.html

Prepare to be impressed by the first video on this page: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/12/19/10626608/tarik-cohen-catches-trick-flips-north-carolina-at-instagram

If he declares for the 2016 draft, I hope he gets an invite to the Combine.

[smuggler]

Digging this back from the grave. Adding a newer mock.

1 Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama
2 Austin Johnson, NT, Penn State
3 Joshua Perry, OLB, Ohio State
4a Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma
4b DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS, William & Mary
4c C.J. Prosise, RB, Notre Dame
5 Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State
6 Jake McGee, TE, Florida
7 Jerrell Adams, TE, South Carolina

I feel pretty good about these picks, except for rounds 2 and 3. I don't think the needs of the team match up with the talent in those rounds. Hopefully I'm wrong. Worst case scenario, we draft another 2nd round receiver and he turns out to be a gem, AMIRITE??!

[Maxie the Taxi]

^I like the approach. Of course, after the combine you probably won't get some of these guys in the lower draft rounds. They run a fast 40 and up the board they go. Plus, one of the draft talking heads gets excited about a guy and up he goes like a rocket.

I'd probably pass on Ragland and go DE or a top SS. Don't know much about Houston-Carson or Prosise. Do you have a scouting report on them?

[Deputy Nutz]

I like this,
*: indicates player might not be available, reach

1, 27th: Hunter Henry, TE Arkansas: 6-5 253 pounds *
Best pass catching TE in the draft. He is not an inline blocker, but can split the seem
2. 27th: Joshua Perry, OLB Ohio St: 6-4 254
Who knows what will happen with Peppers and Perry, but this Perry has an uptempo game and plays with an extremely high RPM motor. Reminds me sort of a Clay Matthews type who makes plays but will also give up plays because he will over run them and fail to break down.
3. 27th: Kyle Murphy, OT Stanford: 6-7 302 *
Well rounded Athlete that can get to the second level. Very good technique, I wouldn't call him a brawler. He would do well as a back up in 2016 and probably play if needed. Might not be available in round 3
4. 27th: Blake Martinez, ILB Stanford: 6-1 245 pounds
I think this kid could be a steal for the Packers if they get him in the 4th round. Not flashy, good in coverage, does the little things right.
4. : Jerell Adams, TE South Carolina: 6-5 232 pounds
Basketball player that has some good tools and can actually block inline considering his 232 pounds. Needs polish but he would be an interesting fit in Green Bay. At this point the Packers need to totally rebuild their TE position so two TEs in this draft is not too many.
4. : Kevin Byard, SS Middle Tennesse: 5-11 226 pounds
I believe he was mentioned in another thread and mentioned how flexible the Arizona defense was with their SS/ILB. The Packers lack a true coverage specialist in the middle of their defense in their nickel defense and he could be a possible solution for that.
5. 27th: D.J. Reader, DT Clemson: 6-2 325 *
Big Athletic body that doesn't really do anything great, but could be a gem at the next level. You can't teach size and if the Packers choose to go a different direction and not sign Raji he could be a nice late round pick. He is a guy that has a good combine you can forget about seeing him this low.
6. 27th: Devon Cajuste, WR Stanford: 6-3 227 pounds
This is another pick for the tight end position. He is listed as a WR but he is more of tweener. Not asked to block and doesn't have a top gear but could make an impact and cause some mismatches at the next level for defenses.
7. 27th: Connor McGovern, OG Missouri: 6-4 304 pounds
Really strong player weight room strength that transfers over to the field. He decent footwork and struggles mostly with quick defenders in space, great in tight quarters. Pretty much a stereotype for any late round guard. Could be a great pick and I wouldn't be surprise if he was taken higher in the draft

[Deputy Nutz]

^I like the approach. Of course, after the combine you probably won't get some of these guys in the lower draft rounds. They run a fast 40 and up the board they go. Plus, one of the draft talking heads gets excited about a guy and up he goes like a rocket.

I'd probably pass on Ragland and go DE or a top SS. Don't know much about Houston-Carson or Prosise. Do you have a scouting report on them?

Why do the Packers need a top SS in the first round? They have Clinton-Dix

[Deputy Nutz]

What I am missing on this list is RB, and a true WR. I don't think the Packers need another WR. I think it will really cloud the mix coming next year. I like the 6 guys the Packers have already. I really like Derrick Henry from Alabama but I don't see the Packers dropping a first round pick for him. He might fall to the late 2nd if he test poorly but then why bother to take an Eddie Lacy 2.0.

Another guy I like is a homer pick for the Badgers, But Derrick Watt is a fantastic athlete and my opinion was misused as a fullback at Wisconsin. He has H-back or TE written all over him at the next level.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Nutz, I like your draft concept as well. Except TT would never use a number one on a TE, IMO.

I would like a fast, hard-hitting, good tackling SS because I'd like to see our defense pair a bigger safety with Barrington, rather than a typical ILB. With TE's getting faster and more integral and RB's getting more receptions and running routes over the middle, I think a hybrid SS/ILB is the way of the future.

Considering what I just wrote, I think the Packers offense MUST go the way of the future and acquire a big, fast, good-hands TE and a quick, good hands RB and incorporate them more into our offense. I also think we need another good WR to avoid the situation we had this year. We need a smaller, speedy WR like Tyler Lockett or Antonio Brown. I'd be willing to spend a top draft choice to get one.

As for RB's, I notice two that are quick, fast and near the top of the NCAA stats in pass receiving: Kenneth Dixon and Tyler Ervin. Dixon would require a higher draft choice. Ervin is a "scatback" type and will probably be available in later rounds...unless he blows the top off the combine.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it is difficult to find a player that can play every down as an undersized ILB. I like the idea but to find a player like Thomas Davis for the Panthers is like finding a needle in a haystack. Davis was an all-american SS for Georgia and was drafted by the Panthers and ended playing OLB.

So when I looked at this situation, which I like I decided that it could be addressed lower in the draft since the chance of hitting it is a low.


TT might not take a TE in the first round, but I would.

[smuggler]

Depends on if that TE could be had in the 2nd. Wasn't Ertz a 2nd rounder?

Granted, it would probably mean giving up our 4th round pick. But we have 3 this year.

[woodbuck27]

We need another stud just in case Jordy isn't the same player he was before the injury. We can all see how this offense suffers without a legit #1 opposite Cobb. I like Adams and Monty but these guys are not the type of WR that keep defensive coordinators up at night.

Good idea...nice post.

Repped.

[woodbuck27]

Because this is the kind of dumb shit I do when I can't sleep...

R1 Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama
R2 Adolphus Washington, DE, Ohio State
R3 Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford
R4 Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
R5 Bronson Kaufusi, OLB, Brigham Young
R6 Bryce Williams, TE, East Carolina
R7 Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas

Drafting three Williamseses, because, why not?

Actually, two of those guys might be well unavailable in the spots I put them. (WR) Mike Williams might have been the #1 receiver taken but he fractured a vertebra in his neck and missed the season. If he checks out medically, he'll be gone by the 4th round. If he doesn't, we won't pick him. (RB) Jonathan Williams had a foot injury and missed time. If he is healthy, he'll get taken before the 7th.

An early Mock Draft speaks mountains to this Packerrat:

Thanks smuggler....I know how much effort it takes to get a decent Mock completed.

You pretty much covered our needs. I'm thinking another DB (BPA ....CB or safety) should be added to the mix.

GO PACK GO !

[smuggler]

R1 ILB Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame
R2 NT Jarran Reed, Alabama
R3 WR Will Fuller, Notre Dame
R4 TE Nick Vannett, Ohio State
R4 DE Adam Gotsis, Virginia Tech
R4 G Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas
R5 FS DeAndre Houston-Carson, William & Mary
R6 OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
R7 WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa

Probably the least TT-like of any mock I've done. A Wisconsin player and a bunch of big-school picks. Jaylon Smith has an outside chance of falling to us because of his knee injury earlier in the month. He would be great in our defense. Jarran Reed (some people have him as a 1st rounder) would be a good contingency for Raji's ultimate departure. Speaking of Raji, comp pick Sebastian Tretola has a similar expression in some of the pictures I saw of him. Kind of funny, really.

I really like TE Nick Vannett. I think he was wasted as a receiver with Ohio State because of all their talent. I'm really hoping we can get him, I think he has a good chance to be an all-around good tight-end in the style of Jason Witten, if not as awesome.

I wanted to find a RB in there somewhere. I guess we could go with C.J. Prosise instead of Gotsis, but then we've got 3 players from Notre Dame in one draft. Oh well.

[Deputy Nutz]

I personally think Joe Schobert will go much higher than round 6. Call me a homer, but here is the thing. The guy will test off the charts at the combine.

[Maxie the Taxi]

R1 ILB Jaylon Smith, Notre Dame
R2 NT Jarran Reed, Alabama
R3 WR Will Fuller, Notre Dame
R4 TE Nick Vannett, Ohio State
R4 DE Adam Gotsis, Virginia Tech
R4 G Sebastian Tretola, Arkansas
R5 FS DeAndre Houston-Carson, William & Mary
R6 OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
R7 WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa

Probably the least TT-like of any mock I've done. A Wisconsin player and a bunch of big-school picks. Jaylon Smith has an outside chance of falling to us because of his knee injury earlier in the month. He would be great in our defense. Jarran Reed (some people have him as a 1st rounder) would be a good contingency for Raji's ultimate departure. Speaking of Raji, comp pick Sebastian Tretola has a similar expression in some of the pictures I saw of him. Kind of funny, really.

I really like TE Nick Vannett. I think he was wasted as a receiver with Ohio State because of all their talent. I'm really hoping we can get him, I think he has a good chance to be an all-around good tight-end in the style of Jason Witten, if not as awesome.

I wanted to find a RB in there somewhere. I guess we could go with C.J. Prosise instead of Gotsis, but then we've got 3 players from Notre Dame in one draft. Oh well.

I read Jaylon Smith will be out of commission and in rehab his entire rookie year. That won't fly in GB IMO.

[Deputy Nutz]

Smith had the bad news type of knee injury, he tore more than just his ACL.

[smuggler]

Smith had the bad news type of knee injury, he tore more than just his ACL.

Yes, it was ACL and the LCL as well. The LCL will heal on its own without surgery, typically, unless it's completely torn. There was supposedly no meniscus damage, which is a good sign. There was fear of nerve damage in his knee, but those fears (according to what I have read) seem unfounded.

It's possible he would be on PUP and could only participate after the first 6 weeks. It's also possible he misses the whole season. At a certain point, teams are going to ask themselves whether missing 6, 10, or 16 games from a guy is worth "trading up" to get a top-10 linebacker. Since it's quite possible he would not even produce in 2016, contending teams might not be inclined to invest in him. That could mean, if he gets beyond pick 18-22 range, it would take a rebuilding team trading up back into the first round for him to get snagged in the first round. I think it's a savvy long-term investment, if his knee checks out.


I personally think Joe Schobert will go much higher than round 6. Call me a homer, but here is the thing. The guy will test off the charts at the combine.

I have seen him listed as a 3th rounder in places. In others he's a 6 or 7. It's quite possible his stock will improve with him combine. He's a little undersized for a 3-4 OLB (which is the position he best projects to, according to my reading), but with the NFL focusing more and more on specialization (and pass rush), he could maybe sneak into the 2nd round, if a team falls in love. Only one team has to value him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder to ruin my mock placement, which is more than possible.

[Deputy Nutz]

I really like my original mock draft. I want to do another one, but whats the point?

[mraynrand]

I think it is difficult to find a player that can play every down as an undersized ILB. I like the idea but to find a player like Thomas Davis for the Panthers is like finding a needle in a haystack. Davis was an all-american SS for Georgia and was drafted by the Panthers and ended playing OLB.


Ryan Shazier fits the mold. But yes, a very rare player.

[Patler]

I really like my original mock draft. I want to do another one, but whats the point?

Why mess with perfection?? :)

[call_me_ishmael]

I personally think Joe Schobert will go much higher than round 6. Call me a homer, but here is the thing. The guy will test off the charts at the combine.

Yeah, I agree. Not sure about the measurements but him and Hayden both look like good NFL players to me.

[call_me_ishmael]

I like the SS from USC to play a Rover type role. He is a thick safety that can tackle. Though he didn't stand out to me against UW. I would love a shot to trade up for Jack or Smith at ILB, but that isn't going to happen. They are going to get picked top 10 in my opinion.

[Maxie the Taxi]

from: FANSPEAK'S On the Clock Simulator...http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php?d=zbxtgl

The simulator isn't set up for compensatory picks yet, but my stupidly early mock draft is:

27: R1P27
OT JACK CONKLIN
MICHIGAN STATE

57: R2P26
G SPENCER DRANGO
BAYLOR

88: R3P25
OT BRANDON SHELL
SOUTH CAROLINA

122: R4P27
OT JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

151: R5P24
OT AVERY YOUNG
AUBURN

182: R6P25
G PARKER EHINGER
CINCINNATI

216: R7P27
OT WILLIE BEAVERS
WESTERN MICHIGAN

[smuggler]

Willie Beavers is a magical name.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well that's enough linemen for two offenses.

[Patler]

Well that's enough linemen for two offenses.

Lacking centers.

[mraynrand]

I don't want a very young tackle from Auburn, I want a veteran.

[pbmax]

Joe Schobert is apparently a 3-4 ILB according to several anonymous scouts who got his numbers from the Shrine Circus. (6' 1 1/2", 247 and short arms)

Bretsky will be along tomorrow to start the draft Joe the Show thread.

[Patler]

I don't want a very young tackle from Auburn, I want a veteran.

Don Barclay is a veteran.

[mraynrand]

Don Barclay is a veteran.

Avery Young = a very young

[Patler]

Avery Young = a very young

Don Barclay is still a veteran.

[mraynrand]

Don Barclay is still a veteran.

oh what the hell, nm.

[Carolina_Packer]

What would you think if the Packers drafted Braxton Miller to be WR? He'd certainly be versatile, and might get overlooked because other WR's might get rated much higher. We are clearly a draft and develop team, and Miller is a special athlete, so with a little bit of development, I think he could be really good for this offense, and might have the suddenness to beat man coverage and then the ability in space to get YAC. His upside intrigues me. How about you guys? Would you be happy with him coming to Green Bay?

[smuggler]

I'm not sure how much TT and the scouting guys would value him. In the past, we have skipped over "ATHLETE" classification guys in favor of "FOOTBALL PLAYERS" from a receiver standpoint. I'd be excited, sure. He can make plays, even if he might never become a true wide receiver.

[Joemailman]

What would you think if the Packers drafted Braxton Miller to be WR? He'd certainly be versatile, and might get overlooked because other WR's might get rated much higher. We are clearly a draft and develop team, and Miller is a special athlete, so with a little bit of development, I think he could be really good for this offense, and might have the suddenness to beat man coverage and then the ability in space to get YAC. His upside intrigues me. How about you guys? Would you be happy with him coming to Green Bay?

He's been making big news at the Senior Bowl. CBS currently has him #80 overall, but he'll be moving up. Very interesting prospect.


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Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
I'm sounding like president of his fan club; another impressive day for Braxton Miller. Torching DB's in red zone Crowd going crazy.

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Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Braxton Miller just hobbled off the field with a lower right leg injury. Seems like a calf cramp. Something had to slow him down.

[mraynrand]

Braxton Miller is a tremendous athlete. It will be interesting to see if his numbers go off the charts at the combine. (I can't see how he can avoid the combine). He has to find a way to catch as many passes as possible in the show-off-season (combine, senior bowl, pro days) to increases his value. His goal is to match Ted Ginn Jr.'s time of 4.28

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpTDfdeCcAAQyr-.jpg:large

[smuggler]

Forgot this guy existed. Caught everything thrown his way in 2015, with 2 TDs.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16493/jake-stoneburner

[mraynrand]

Forgot this guy existed. Caught everything thrown his way in 2015, with 2 TDs.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16493/jake-stoneburner

All he does is score touchdowns

[Maxie the Taxi]

I always thought he had the best name for a TE in football.

[ThunderDan]

Just did a FanSpeak 7 Round Draft
1. Reggie Ragland, ILB Ala
2. Jason Spriggs, OT Ind
3. Hunter Henry, TE Ark
4. Sterling SHepard, WR Okla
5. Hassan Ridgeway, DT Tex
6. Devon Johnson, RB Marshall
7. Curt Maggitt, OLB Tenn

Surprised that Ragland dropped to me in the first.

[Joemailman]

Just did a FanSpeak 7 Round Draft
1. Reggie Ragland, ILB Ala
2. Jason Spriggs, OT Ind
3. Hunter Henry, TE Ark
4. Sterling SHepard, WR Okla
5. Hassan Ridgeway, DT Tex
6. Devon Johnson, RB Marshall
7. Curt Maggitt, OLB Tenn

Surprised that Ragland dropped to me in the first.

I'm more surprised that Hunter Henry dropped to you in the 3rd.

[Deputy Nutz]

27: R1P27
DT SHELDON RANKINS
LOUISVILLE

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

: R3P25
RB KENYAN DRAKE
ALABAMA

122: R4P27
OT JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

151: R5P24
DT D.J. READER
CLEMSON

182: R6P25
OLB JOE SCHOBERT
WISCONSIN

216: R7P27
S KEVIN BYARD
MIDDLE TENNESSEE

This was a pretty interesting draft on FanSpeak. I think I went after players that offered some flexibility at their positions. I think Dahl could play all over the line, Rankins could play any spot on the defensive line, and there was some good value with Reader and Schobert.

[ThunderDan]

Did another one:

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA

57: R2P26
DT ANDREW BILLINGS
BAYLOR

88: R3P25
OLB SCOOBY WRIGHT
ARIZONA

122: R4P27
WR DEMARCUS ROBINSON
FLORIDA

151: R5P24
TE KYLE CARTER
PENN STATE

182: R6P25
WR BYRON MARSHALL
OREGON

216: R7P27
OT HALAPOULIVAATI VAITAI
TCU

[smuggler]

That website is awesome. Their ratings are not kind to Schobert.

As for Byron Marshall, I would doubt he gets drafted. He's slow. Can't separate.

[Joemailman]

Marshall's versatility makes him interesting. He's had both 1000 yard rushing and receiving seasons. I agree though he probably won't be drafted. Someone will give him a chance though if he's healthy.

[smuggler]

Yeah he'll definitely be signed. If he has the right personality, you can't begrudge a team using a 7th to secure his rights.

1 OT Taylor Decker, Ohio State
2 TE Hunter Henry, Arkansas
3 WR Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh
4 DE Sheldon Day, Notre Dame
4 LB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
4 RB Kelvin Taylor, Florida
5 DE Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech
6 G Jordan Walsh, Iowa
7 G Joe Dahl, Washington State

Newer draft using the updated CBS draft board.

[Joemailman]

1. Jack Conklin OT Michigan St.
2. Joshua Perry LB Ohio St.
3. Nick Vannett TE Ohio St.
4. Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina St.
4. Nick Vigil ILB Utah St.
4. Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
5. Aaron Green RB TCU
6. Elijah Shumate SS Notre Dame
7. Hassan Ridgeway DT Texas

[call_me_ishmael]

I would love Braxton Miller. I don't think the Packers take a WR in R1 this year but if Miller was there he'd be a great candidate with his speed and versatility. He is a more athletic and bigger Randall Cobb.

Frankly, OSU is so stacked I wouldn't mind seeing several of their players picked. Then again, maybe the studs are making everyone else look better.

I am eyeing up Leonard Floyd in round 1. I haven't seen much of him but his measureables look quite good and some circles seem to think he's a top 10 type player. He looks fast and athletic in his highlights.

[Joemailman]

1. Jack Conklin OT Michigan St.
2. Joshua Perry LB Ohio St.
3. Nick Vannett TE Ohio St.
4. Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina St.
4. Nick Vigil ILB Utah St.
4. Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
5. Aaron Green RB TCU
6. Elijah Shumate SS Notre Dame
7. Hassan Ridgeway DT Texas

Nick Vannett had a nice game with 3 catches for 58 yards. Aaron Green had a 25 yard run for a TD. I saw Le'Raven Clark get beat once. Not sure how he did overall. The O-Linemen in this game were up against a very good group of D-Linemen.

[Pugger]

What would you think if the Packers drafted Braxton Miller to be WR? He'd certainly be versatile, and might get overlooked because other WR's might get rated much higher. We are clearly a draft and develop team, and Miller is a special athlete, so with a little bit of development, I think he could be really good for this offense, and might have the suddenness to beat man coverage and then the ability in space to get YAC. His upside intrigues me. How about you guys? Would you be happy with him coming to Green Bay?

He would be an intriguing kid for sure but if he performs well in the Combine and on his pro day would he last until #27? WR might not be an immediate need but Braxton would add speed to our offense in spades.

[Deputy Nutz]

27: R1P27
DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE
OLE MISS

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE

122: R4P27
ILB BLAKE MARTINEZ
STANFORD

151: R5P24
CB ERIC MURRAY
MINNESOTA

182: R6P25
OG JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

216: R7P27
QB KEVIN HOGAN
STANFORD

[Deputy Nutz]

I think if you can get Kevin Hogan in the 7th round you take him. The Packers at this point need to keep developing young QBs not necessarily to replace Rodgers, but to secure the position in the future.

[Patler]

I think if you can get Kevin Hogan in the 7th round you take him. The Packers at this point need to keep developing young QBs not necessarily to replace Rodgers, but to secure the position in the future.

Yup, they need to have a steady parade of developmental types, because AR could miss more time as he ages, and the end for him could be sudden. They don't necessarily have to have a permanent replacement ready to go, but they need a guy they can get by with for few years, anyway.

We would like to think the AR we have known will be around another 5-8 years or so; but, truth be told, that AR was not here in 2015. Perhaps he has already slipped into the end phase of his career, perhaps he just had an off year. Time will tell.

[mraynrand]

Yup, they need to have a steady parade of developmental types, because AR could miss more time as he ages, and the end for him could be sudden. They don't necessarily have to have a permanent replacement ready to go, but they need a guy they can get by with for few years, anyway.

We would like to think the AR we have known will be around another 5-8 years or so; but, truth be told, that AR was not here in 2015. Perhaps he has already slipped into the end phase of his career, perhaps he just had an off year. Time will tell.

Not this year, I suspect. 1) doubtful Hogan makes it to the seventh 2) Packers have Tolzien and Hundley - this is the year Hundley passes Tolzien so that next year might be the year they draft a later round QB, to develop for a backup when Hundley takes over for Rodgers (unless they just see Tolzien staying in that role behind Hundley). If Hundley doesn't progress, then next year will likely see a serious high pick taken on a QB.

[pbmax]

I think there is a reasonable chance that Tolzien ends up elsewhere. He has to be better than a bunch of backups in the League and his last deal was not veteran minimum. I think he will want to continue to advance.

[Joemailman]

Not this year, I suspect. 1) doubtful Hogan makes it to the seventh 2) Packers have Tolzien and Hundley - this is the year Hundley passes Tolzien so that next year might be the year they draft a later round QB, to develop for a backup when Hundley takes over for Rodgers (unless they just see Tolzien staying in that role behind Hundley). If Hundley doesn't progress, then next year will likely see a serious high pick taken on a QB.

Tolzien is a free agent though, and I think he'll leave. He saw how good Hundley was last year.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, I don't think they have to worry about Tolzien leaving if Hundley passes him this year.

[Carolina_Packer]

I think if you can get Kevin Hogan in the 7th round you take him. The Packers at this point need to keep developing young QBs not necessarily to replace Rodgers, but to secure the position in the future.

Every time I hear Kevin Hogan's name, I can't help but think about Col. Klink saying his drawn out "Colonel Hogaaaaan!"

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/c4r5Mnbujpc/hqdefault.jpg

[Joemailman]

I can see the banners at Lambeau some day.

http://images.zap2it.com/assets/p184204_b_h3_aa/hogans-heroes.jpg

[mraynrand]

unless he sucks, then:



"What is this man doing here!?"
https://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw0hsla0ef1r7mmmyo1_500.jpg

[pbmax]

I love that theme song.

[Deputy Nutz]

27: R1P27
OLB DARRON LEE
OHIO STATE
A lot has been said on this forum about finding a linebacker with speed and athleticism and this might be the most athletic linebacker in the class. Came to Ohio St as a quarterback but moved to safety. He put on weight and moved to outside linebacker. Plays very fast, sometimes too fast but has the shock and awe capabilities. The only issue is his size. He might not be able to put on any more weight than his 235 pounds. I recognize that outside linebacker isn't exactly a position of need but with two to possibly three starters gone from the outside position in Perry, Neil, and Peppers, Lee could make a huge impact from day one. I don't know if he has the ability to move inside but I wouldn't draft him with the hopes of moving over a guard.

57: R2P26
DT SHELDON RANKINS
LOUISVILLE
Deepest position in the draft and the Packers get a steal in the second round getting first round talent in Rankins. There are bigger Nose guards out there, but he is big enough and has the ability to collapse the pocket from the interior. Dominated one on one drills at the Senior Bowl.

88: R3P25
TE BRYCE WILLIAMS
EAST CAROLINA
Williams might be the best athlete at the tight end position in the draft. he has the size and speed to adapt well to the Packers high demand passing game. He gives good to great effort in the run game although his advantage will be in the passing game. If he has a good combine it won't be a reach taking him in the third round.

122: R4P27
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE
One of the best athletes in the draft. Started three years at Ohio St as QB, and was the Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year twice. He is one of the fastest risers in the draft and if the Packers manage to land him in the 4th round he must have gotten busted with the trifecta of hookers, blow, and hand grenades. Think of a bigger possibly more explosive Randall Cobb.

151: R5P24
ILB BLAKE MARTINEZ
STANFORD
Inside linebacker that has some upside, more of a Jake Ryan type. Not a highly regarded athlete but does a nice job of recognizing pass and run, assignment sure. He could be a strength in defending the passing game.

182: R6P25
OG JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE
Left Tackle in college but should slide in to the interior of the line. He would offer a bit of flexibility for the Packers if he continues to improve his foot work and getting his arms locked and extended. Good to decent value in the 6th round

216: R7P27
TE JAKE MCGEE
FLORIDA
Another value pick to upgrade the tight end position. It is a vital position for the Packers offense to run effectively and they need upgrades across the board. a magical unicorn 6th year player that was a graduate transfer from Virgina to Florida. He Broke his leg early in the 2014 season and was given an extra year of eligibility. He has the size and speed and athleticism to be a contributor and knows the position.

[call_me_ishmael]

I love that draft Nutz, but I don't think they're getting Braxton Miller that low. I think he could go in R1 because he is a truly elite athlete. If he runs a 4.3, it's could be a done deal since every one already knows he is super quick and agile.

[smuggler]

I have a number of friends who are OSU fans. They all hate Darron Lee because he has no instincts. Maybe he needs time to grow because he's changed position so many times. Maybe it'll never click. Maybe not the best pick for us. Maybe it's brilliant. But, Rankins in the second is probably a steal.

[Deputy Nutz]

The more I do this Fanspeak stuff the more unrealistic it is, Three out of the first four picks could all be first rounders. I know there is a lot of talent in the defensive tackle position but that doesn't mean guys with first round grades are going to drop to the end of the second round. Miller shouldn't be available in the fourth round. More and more draft boards have him flying off the board. I think the Packers would be happy to take him in round 2.

All I have read on Lee is that he is all instinct and struggles with the finer points

[smuggler]

I'm not really super familiar with him. Just relaying what others have said. You're absolutely right wrt to the fanspeak draft sim, at this point.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Obviously on Fanspeak site it makes a big difference what Big Board you use to draft from. The Fanspeak board has guys rated way different than the CBS board. Same with Bleacher Report. These boards will be updated after the Senior Bowl, the Combine and Pro Days. Then, the differences aren't so great.

[ThunderDan]

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT JIHAD WARD
ILLINOIS

122: R4P27
WR DEMARCUS ROBINSON
FLORIDA

151: R5P24
G GREG PYKE
GEORGIA

182: R6P25
OLB JOE SCHOBERT
WISCONSIN

216: R7P27
OT JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

[smuggler]

Is that kid's name actually Jihad? Why not just name him Kluklux and be done with it?

[Deputy Nutz]

IF I was a GM, no way I draft that guy.

[Patler]

I think Jihad has taken on a different or more limited meaning than it had 20 years ago.
When I was young, some boys were named Gay. Not so much anymore.

In December, a company that has been around at least a few decades changed its name and as a result, its stock symbol. For decades it was....."ISIS". They found it had become a detriment.

[mraynrand]

I think Jihad has taken on a different or more limited meaning than it had 20 years ago.
When I was young, some boys were named Gay. Not so much anymore.

In December, a company that has been around at least a few decades changed its name and as a result, its stock symbol. For decades it was....."ISIS". They found it had become a detriment.

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/OhMightyIsis.jpg

[Maxie the Taxi]

Gay Brewer
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Maf60d802c4f400858c42bd9feb13e87co0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

Gay Brewer
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Mad615a96a4cc5cebd682b4c09f9bf025o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

Gay Brewer
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Mb606148d1b75da466907de0fd1ff16d2o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

[Carolina_Packer]

I think Jihad has taken on a different or more limited meaning than it had 20 years ago.
When I was young, some boys were named Gay. Not so much anymore.

In December, a company that has been around at least a few decades changed its name and as a result, its stock symbol. For decades it was....."ISIS". They found it had become a detriment.

I hope they sued the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. That's a serious offense.

[pbmax]

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/OhMightyIsis.jpg

Appointment television.

[woodbuck27]

I know some here disclaim B/R yet for what it may be worth to others:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2609892-2016-nfl-mock-draft-full-order-and-1st-round-predictions-for-top-prospects

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Full Order and 1st-Round Predictions for Top Prospects

By: Ryan McCrystal , Featured Columnist ... Jan 22, 2016

21 Washington Redskins Jarran Reed DL Alabama

22 Houston Texans Paxton Lynch QB Memphis

23 Minnesota Vikings Darron Lee LB Ohio State

24 Cincinnati Bengals Jaylon Smith LB Notre Dame

25 Pittsburgh Steelers Eli Apple CB Ohio State

26 Seattle Seahawks Jack Conklin OT Michigan State

27 Green Bay Packers Joshua Perry LB Ohio State

28 Kansas City Chiefs Noah Spence LB Eastern Kentucky

29 Denver Broncos Robert Nkemdiche DL Ole Miss

30 Arizona Cardinals Kyler Fackrell LB Utah State

GO PACK GO !

[jklowan]

Here is my crack

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND - ALABAMA

57: R2P26
DT JARRAN REED - ALABAMA

88: R3P25
TE NICK VANNETT- -OHIO STATE

122: R4P27
RB AARON GREEN- -TCU

151: R5P24
OT JOE HAEG- -NORTH DAKOTA STATE

182: R6P25
OLB JOE SCHOBERT - WISCONSIN

216: R7P27
S JORDAN LOMAX - IOWA

[smuggler]

Rob Rang's post-SB mock has us passing on Jaylon Smith at 26. Yeah nope.

[Deputy Nutz]

To be honest if Jaylon Smith can play within the first 8 games 2016 Thompson might select him. If he is going to miss most of the year I don't think Thompson will put himself in the position to take an injured player with the first round pick. Because if this team regresses from 2015 his ass will be fired for taking Smith.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/joshua_perry_793846.html

This prospect looks fine. He certainly looks the part of meeting the prerequisite of 'Packer People' we're all to familiar with here:

**a force as a linebacker for the Buckeyes and as a conscientious and proactive team leader ...

**Joshua Perry/s a true senior, and a vet of 39 games and 24 starts.

**He's was a candidate for the Lott IMPACT Award, which honors athletic ability but also character attributes such as integrity, maturity, performance, academics, community and tenacity ... see below as well.

** He had an outstanding JUNIOR SEASON (2014) and led the College Football Playoff national champions in tackles with 124, a total that ranked second in the Big Ten.

** Joshua Perry is No. 1 on the team in career tackles (193) and solo tackles (114) and is within reach of a possible Top 10 standing -- all-time -- in career tackles at Ohio State with another productive year or last season (2015).

See how well he made out in 2015 ....LINK Below:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/534301/joshua-perry

** Through his Junior Year.....He's considered consistent (dependable), with at least five tackles in 20 consecutive games and in 23 games total ... he has also produced games of 10-or-more tackles four times.

** He has credits as a high achieving scholastic student....he was an OSU Scholar-Athlete following the 2012-13 academic year ...plus...he went to Costa Rica as part of the "Soles 4 Souls" program and spent a week distributing shoes to those in need...thus he has some humanitarian credentials.

he was an OSU Scholar-Athlete following the 2012-13 academic year.

GO PACK GO ! GO TT GO !!

[pbmax]

To be honest if Jaylon Smith can play within the first 8 games 2016 Thompson might select him. If he is going to miss most of the year I don't think Thompson will put himself in the position to take an injured player with the first round pick. Because if this team regresses from 2015 his ass will be fired for taking Smith.

When you put it like that is sounds exactly like Thompson.

[Joemailman]

1. Jack Conklin - OT - Michigan St.
2. Austin Hooper - TE - Stanford
3. Deion Jones - LB - LSU
4a. C.J. Prosise - RB - Notre Dame
4b. Joe Haeg - OT - North Dakota St.
4c. Javon Hargrave - DT - So. Carolina St.
5. De'Vondre Campbell - OLB - Minnesota
6. Jordan Lucas - SS - Penn State
7. Brandon Allen - QB - Arkansas

[ThunderDan]

1. Jack Conklin - TE - Michigan St.
2. Austin Hooper - TE - Stanford
3. Deion Jones - LB - LSU
4a. C.J. Prosise - RB - Notre Dame
4b. Joe Haeg - OT - North Dakota St.
4c. Javon Hargrave - DT - So. Carolina St.
5. De'Vondre Campbell - OLB - Minnesota
6. Jordan Lucas - SS - Penn State
7. Brandon Allen - QB - Arkansas

And we thought DickRod was a slow TE. Conklin is going to be very slow.

[Deputy Nutz]

When you put it like that is sounds exactly like Thompson.
:glug:

[Joemailman]

And we thought DickRod was a slow TE. Conklin is going to be very slow.

Fixed. Although with Conklin we'd at least have a TE who can block.

[mgordo]

No way they take 1st round pick on OT from Michigan St. The last time the Pack did that was 1989 and look how that turned out.

[smuggler]

DL seems to be the consensus of all the mocks I've seen.

[Joemailman]

DL seems to be the consensus of all the mocks I've seen.

That's because Raji and Guion are free agents. And the people doing the mocks don't really know about Mike Pennel. And they probably don't know free agency hits the Packers offensive line in next year. If there's an OT available at #27 that TT has a 1st round grade on, I think he'll take him

[call_me_ishmael]

DL is the consensus because there is a plethora of great DL talent. Good chance the BPA by a wide margin is a DL.

[Deputy Nutz]

If Ragland for some reason drops the Packers will take him, otherwise it will be DL or an OLB. I would see the Packers only going offense if one of the top tier OTs drops to them. The Packers have all their starters coming back and although it is a need especially at right tackle I don't see the Packers drafting OL out of the gate. It is more of an issue with depth, same at WR.

The only real hole this team has is at inside linebacker, and even that is ok if you consider Matthews and ILB.

Also Peppers says he wants to play in 2016 and the report also states that the Packers are willing to pay his 8 million, which seems ridiculous. I see Peppers as a down linemen in our nickel package. I see him getting 30 snaps a game doing nothing but pass rushing.

With Guion being signed, the Packers could be in a position to let Raji go. It is better than having both of them leave free agency but there will be a roster spot available.

This is a draft that the Packers should look to move up in the first round if they can secure Ragland. He had a really good Senior Bowl and can make an immediate impact to the Packers defense. Ragland and Ryan in the middle with Matthews moving back outside. I know a lot of you are not sold on Ryan, but I feel like he had a decent rookie year, had a quality game in the playoffs against the Cardinals and can be a steady player for the Packers.

If Ragland is not available I think the Packers might be in a good position to trade out of the first round. I like the depth of second round talent and third round talent where the Packers can draft quality depth players that could play significant snaps if needed. I am talking about offensive line, wide receiver, outside linebacker, defensive line, running back, and in the secondary. All units can and should be improved going into next year. They could make a good trade for their #1 for a second, and third, depending who they trade with.

[Patler]

If Ragland for some reason drops the Packers will take him, otherwise it will be DL or an OLB. I would see the Packers only going offense if one of the top tier OTs drops to them. The Packers have all their starters coming back and although it is a need especially at right tackle I don't see the Packers drafting OL out of the gate. It is more of an issue with depth, same at WR.

The only real hole this team has is at inside linebacker, and even that is ok if you consider Matthews and ILB.

Also Peppers says he wants to play in 2016 and the report also states that the Packers are willing to pay his 8 million, which seems ridiculous. I see Peppers as a down linemen in our nickel package. I see him getting 30 snaps a game doing nothing but pass rushing.

With Guion being signed, the Packers could be in a position to let Raji go. It is better than having both of them leave free agency but there will be a roster spot available.

This is a draft that the Packers should look to move up in the first round if they can secure Ragland. He had a really good Senior Bowl and can make an immediate impact to the Packers defense. Ragland and Ryan in the middle with Matthews moving back outside. I know a lot of you are not sold on Ryan, but I feel like he had a decent rookie year, had a quality game in the playoffs against the Cardinals and can be a steady player for the Packers.

If Ragland is not available I think the Packers might be in a good position to trade out of the first round. I like the depth of second round talent and third round talent where the Packers can draft quality depth players that could play significant snaps if needed. I am talking about offensive line, wide receiver, outside linebacker, defensive line, running back, and in the secondary. All units can and should be improved going into next year. They could make a good trade for their #1 for a second, and third, depending who they trade with.

I think it could be an interesting year. I agree, it is easy to see the Packers trading up in the first, or out of the first for a high second round pick and an additional mid-round pick. Either way could work. If they are awarded two compensatory 4ths, they will go into the draft with six picks in the first four rounds. They don't need bodies, so trading some of those picks to move up in the first, or to pick up an additional second round pick could work well.

If they have three 4ths going into the draft, it's too bad it isn't 2017. Starting next year, compensatory picks will be tradeable. Of course, they could be looking at some good compensatory picks next year, too. I expect Hayward and at least one of Raji, Neal and Perry to leave, if not all three.

[ThunderDan]

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON
OHIO STATE

126: R4P27
WR STERLING SHEPARD
OKLAHOMA

132: R4P33
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY

138: R4P39
RB KENYAN DRAKE
ALABAMA

163: R5P24
OLB VICTOR OCHI
STONY BROOK

203: R6P25
G JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

246: R7P27
OT BRANDON SHELL
SOUTH CAROLINA

Here is the last mock I ran with updated lists.

[jklowan]

Looks like we are gonna be able to address some needs...

this is looking better, sign a FA tight End as well as resigning Perry/Raji/Neal/Crosby/Kuhn

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND - ALABAMA
57: R2P26
LB JAYLON SMITH - NOTRE DAME (Image if he did fall to our 2nd)
88: R3P25
TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
126: R4P27
OT JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE
132: R4P33
DT CHRIS JONES - MISSISSIPPI STATE
138: R4P39
S MILES KILLEBREW - SOUTHERN UTAH
163: R5P24
RB AARON GREEN - TCU
203: R6P25
DE RYAN ANDERSON - ALABAMA
246: R7P27
ILB LUKE RHODES - WILLAM & MARY

[Joemailman]

Looks like we are gonna be able to address some needs...

this is looking better, sign a FA tight End as well as resigning Perry/Raji/Neal/Crosby/Kuhn

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND - ALABAMA
57: R2P26
LB JAYLON SMITH - NOTRE DAME (Image if he did fall to our 2nd)
88: R3P25
TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
126: R4P27
OT JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE
132: R4P33
DT CHRIS JONES - MISSISSIPPI STATE
138: R4P39
S MILES KILLEBREW - SOUTHERN UTAH
163: R5P24
RB AARON GREEN - TCU
203: R6P25
DE RYAN ANDERSON - ALABAMA
246: R7P27
ILB LUKE RHODES - WILLAM & MARY

That would be crazy good, but I don't think it's realistic that Smith or Killebrew will be available at those spots. Maybe Ragland, but even that's doubtful.

[pbmax]

I get the sense that Ragland got a grade early and it hasn't changed yet on the mock draft sites.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607801-mel-kiper-nfl-mock-draft-2016-notable-picks-from-espn-gurus-1st-mock

Mel Kiper NFL Mock Draft 2016: Notable Picks from ESPN Guru's 1st Mock

By: Mike Chiari , Featured Columnist Jan 14, 2016


Note:

11 Chicago Bears ( Mel Kiper) Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama


22 Houston Texans Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State

23 Minnesota Vikings Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

24 Cincinnati Bengals Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame

25 Pittsburgh Steelers Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

26 Seattle Seahawks Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State

27 Green Bay Packers Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State

28 Kansas City Chiefs Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA

29 Denver Broncos Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

30 Arizona Cardinals Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia

31 Carolina Panthers Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State

[HarveyWallbangers]

Because this is the kind of dumb shit I do when I can't sleep...

R1 Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama
R2 Adolphus Washington, DE, Ohio State
R3 Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford
R4 Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
R5 Bronson Kaufusi, OLB, Brigham Young
R6 Bryce Williams, TE, East Carolina
R7 Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas

Drafting three Williamseses, because, why not?

Actually, two of those guys might be well unavailable in the spots I put them. (WR) Mike Williams might have been the #1 receiver taken but he fractured a vertebra in his neck and missed the season. If he checks out medically, he'll be gone by the 4th round. If he doesn't, we won't pick him. (RB) Jonathan Williams had a foot injury and missed time. If he is healthy, he'll get taken before the 7th.

Apparently, Ragland grew up a Packers fan and wants the Packers to draft him. We'll see. I have some doubts about him as a prospect (mainly he plays a game made for 15 years ago when the NFL is going for more speed in today's world). However, I also had some reservations about Clinton-Dix for some of the same reasons, and he's been better than I expected. His play speed is better than anticipated. Ragland might have similar traits.

[Pugger]

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON
OHIO STATE

126: R4P27
WR STERLING SHEPARD
OKLAHOMA

132: R4P33
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY

138: R4P39
RB KENYAN DRAKE
ALABAMA

163: R5P24
OLB VICTOR OCHI
STONY BROOK

203: R6P25
G JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE

246: R7P27
OT BRANDON SHELL
SOUTH CAROLINA

Here is the last mock I ran with updated lists.

Would Henry last until the 57th pick?

[Joemailman]

Would Henry last until the 57th pick?

In 2013, a lot of mocks had the packers taking Lacy with their 1st round pick. TT waited and got him at the end of the 2nd round. Similar situation with Henry. It would be nice if history repeated itself.

[ThunderDan]

Would Henry last until the 57th pick?

I think it all depends on if runs occur on other positions. There is a chance he could fall that far.

[Joemailman]

Heath Miller announced his retirement. Henry might not make it past Steelers at #25.

[Joemailman]

Kevin Dodd as an eventual replacement for Peppers?

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=11269


Eyebrows were raised when I reported from Shrine Game practice that a number of teams grade Kevin Dodd over his Clemson teammate Shaq Lawson and as time passes those rumblings continue to get louder. Much has to do with the fact team’s believe Dodd brings more upside and a higher ceiling compared to Lawson. Dodd is expected to measure 6-feet/5-inches and 275lbs at the combine and has a height advantage over Lawson. As of this posting Dodd has been informed he will only be asked to participate in defensive line work at the combine despite the fact there are a number of 3-4 teams considering him at outside linebacker. He has been working on linebacker techniques with former NFL defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell and will run through OLB position drills during Pro-day if asked. I’m told his forty goal at the combine is 4.8-seconds or faster.

[Bretsky]

Would Henry last until the 57th pick?

I would shit in my pants with joy if we got this; I doubt the ILB lasts til our 1st round pick and I don't think Henry comes close to dropping to our round 2 pick
I am cool with Henry in round 1

[Deputy Nutz]

TE class is very weak, so is the ILB class. The question is, if both Henry and Ragland are there when the Packers draft who would you want the Packers to draft?

[Patler]

TE class is very weak, so is the ILB class. The question is, if both Henry and Ragland are there when the Packers draft who would you want the Packers to draft?

Ragland. ILB is a more critical need, I think.

Maybe TT will pull a Raji/Matthews type deal, and get both in the 1st.

[smuggler]

Packers will pass on Ragland, I'm almost certain of it. He can't cover at the pro level. He's a 2-down linebacker. He's good at what he does, but I have to think we'll pass on him if we have any confidence in Barrington being capable as a 2-down player, whatsoever.

If we're going ILB in round 1, I think we have to look for trade partners and try to get Jaylon Smith. Otherwise, we can try to trade back from our rd 1 pick or trade up from our rd 2 pick and take an ILB or TE.

Rutgers WR Leonte Carroo is like a young James Jones or Anquan Boldin. I could see him being a steal in the 4th or 5th round. Great body control. Doesn't drop passes. Tall and big enough (but not a giant). His knock is his top-end speed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Packers will pass on Ragland, I'm almost certain of it. He can't cover at the pro level. He's a 2-down linebacker. He's good at what he does, but I have to think we'll pass on him if we have any confidence in Barrington being capable as a 2-down player, whatsoever.

I'm leaning this way, as well. I'll have to evaluate him more, but I don't think the Packers will take a two down ILB in round 1.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Heath Miller announced his retirement. Henry might not make it past Steelers at #25.

Henry is not making it out of the first round.

[Patler]

If we're going ILB in round 1, I think we have to look for trade partners and try to get Jaylon Smith. Otherwise, we can try to trade back from our rd 1 pick or trade up from our rd 2 pick and take an ILB or TE.

Before their bowl game, I would have been all for this. Now, I will be disappointed if that is how the Packers use their 1st round pick. Unfortunately, I doubt he will play this year. His "camp" keeps proclaiming that he sustained no nerve damage, as feared initially. That means he must have sustained nerve damage.

[run pMc]

thinking the Packers go for a OT or DT in R1. (Spriggs? Vernon Butler/Sheldon Rankins?) I could see them go after Kentrell Brothers in R2. I think Ragland will be gone by 27. Henry too.
I hear good things about the TE from Stanford.

[wist43]

Some guys I've looked at that I've liked... with CBSSportsline overall ranking (#)

Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama - doubt he'll be there at our pick in the 1st round. (16)

Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville - doubt he'll be there either. (25)

Cody Whitehair, OL, Kansas State - 6'4", 300 (37)

Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame - 6'3", 240, think he could play inside. (20)

Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn - 6'6", 313 (39)

Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana - 6'6", 301 (42)

Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State - 6'2", 188 (72)

Josh Doctson, WR, TCU - 6'2", 195 (40)

Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford, 6'6", 300 (98)

[Carolina_Packer]

At what position do you project these two LB prospects and would you be interested in them if you were TT?

Kentrell Brothers/Missouri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j0NBU0zqS0

Myles Jack/UCLA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XSz3Lz9zvk Good athlete!

[run pMc]

IMO Jack won't be available when GB picks, but he's rated as one of the top LBs and from what little I've seen has good speed and aggressiveness. I've read people call him a much better version of Shaq Thompson, who IIRC went R1 to Carolina last year.

I like Kentrell Brothers, which might be a kiss of death. I think he has enough sideline-to-sideline speed to do well in certain packages, and the ability to play coverage. I think there's a need for a player like that.

[woodbuck27]

Wow look what this Mock gives us:

http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/2/26/11082036/2016-nfl-draft-ny-giants-get-andrew-billings-dt-baylor-scouting-combine-mock-draft

2016 NFL Draft: Giants get DT Andrew Billings in our Pre-Combine mock draft

By: Chris Pflum on Feb 26, 2016, 7:00 AM

GO PACKERS ! GO TT GO !!

[woodbuck27]

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2016-nfl-mock-drafts-profiles-video-clips-highlights-steelers-analysis-breakdowns-news/2016/2/22/11083714/2016-pittsburgh-steelers-big-board-by-position-feb-22-pre-combine

2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Big Board - By Position (Feb. 22, Pre-Combine)

By Scott Pavelle on Feb 22, 2016, 6:00 AM

Comment woodbuck27:

Here's a good read for you. :-)

There's lots of information here (good or bad ...you decide).

This board grades about 200 prospects and the last entry before the Combine ncludes approximately two-dozen new prospects, including several kick returners and running backs.

[woodbuck27]

See the PACKERS ALL TIME DRAFT HISTORY in this LINK:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

GO TT GO !

[wist43]

At what position do you project these two LB prospects and would you be interested in them if you were TT?

Kentrell Brothers/Missouri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j0NBU0zqS0

Myles Jack/UCLA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XSz3Lz9zvk Good athlete!

I looked at Jack a little bit, but he seems to be rated high enough that he will likely be gone by the time we pick. CBSSportsline has him at #5 overall, Scouts, Inc. has him at #7.

Brothers on the other hand, CBS has him at #55 overall - I think that is way too high for him. I see him as too much of a plodder. He just isn't quick-twitch enough, has short arms... I see him as being pretty pedestrian.

[wist43]

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2016-nfl-mock-drafts-profiles-video-clips-highlights-steelers-analysis-breakdowns-news/2016/2/22/11083714/2016-pittsburgh-steelers-big-board-by-position-feb-22-pre-combine

2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Big Board - By Position (Feb. 22, Pre-Combine)

By Scott Pavelle on Feb 22, 2016, 6:00 AM

Comment woodbuck27:

Here's a good read for you. :-)

There's lots of information here (good or bad ...you decide).

This board grades about 200 prospects and the last entry before the Combine ncludes approximately two-dozen new prospects, including several kick returners and running backs.

Good link woody... I'll try to go thru it more as I'm looking at players.

I skimmed down a bit - they had Rankins at 1:25... I'd love to see Rankins still on the board at our pick.

One guy that is a mystery to me, and he is high on this board too, is Jarran Reed. I just don't see it with this guy... haven't like what I've seen of him. Will have to look at him some more though, b/c everyone has him in the mid-first round. The Steeler board has him 1:20.

[woodbuck27]

I looked at Jack a little bit, but he seems to be rated high enough that he will likely be gone by the time we pick. CBSSportsline has him at #5 overall, Scouts, Inc. has him at #7.

Brothers on the other hand, CBS has him at #55 overall - I think that is way too high for him. I see him as too much of a plodder. He just isn't quick-twitch enough, has short arms... I see him as being pretty pedestrian.

It looks to me as if Myles Jack will go TOP TEN.

He'll likely be the first LBer off the board.

One mock I looked at had him being picked by San Fran @ NO. 7.

Here's a Grade by the Pittsburgh Steelers:

Myles Jack, ILB, UCLA - 6'1", 225 lbs.

He's downgraded here due to a combination of sour grapes and the fact that we have Ryan Shazier on the team already, but make no mistake: Myles Jack will go in the top 5-10 picks and whoever gets him will celebrate.

Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith are the leaders of a movement toward ultra-athletic linebacker-safety hybrids:

Think Ryan Shazier but 10 pounds lighter and more Safety-ish. They're the ideal answer to the new breed of ultra-athletic LBers.

Jack, in particular, is well noted for his coverage skills. The talent is awesome and both are clear top 5 talents. Like Smith, Jack also suffered a year-ending knee injury; fortunately it is a relatively minor injury with a confident prognosis of full recovery after 6 months of rehab. He should be ready for training camp, and thus we can be 99.95% sure it Ain't Gonna Happen.

This goes to a gif-supported scouting report from Bob Sturm, a favorite writer in Dallas.

Kentrell Brothers/Missouri: ....Grade 3.24

6'0-1/2", 249 lbs. with 30-3/4" arms. A pure Buck ILB with tremendous instincts and a knack for getting his nose into an impossible number of tackles despite his somewhat limited physical assets.

He will be an early Day 2 value if the Steelers somehow manage to lose Lawrence Timmons instead of arranging an extension. But if Timmons comes back, the presence of Vince Williams as a more than acceptable backup severely reduces Brothers' value from the Pittsburgh point of view.

This goes to the NFL.com scouting profile. This scouting report examines Brothers' fit for the Steelers if Timmons departs.

This goes to an article published after Brothers' triumphant college season.

This is a scouting profile from our sister site for the Redskins. This is a scouting profile from a Jets-oriented site. This is a good, gif-supported scouting report from our sister site for the Jaguars. This goes to a more lukewarm scouting profile.


Watch fir this guy:

Terrance Smith, ILB/OLB, Florida State - 6'3", 234 lbs. GRADE: 4.01

Expect to hear more about Terrance Smith because he's very likely to blow up the Combine and generate "Ryan Shazier Lite" comparisons. They're not entirely unfair and Pittsburgh could do worse than to draft a kid like this in Round 4 if Sean Spence leaves in free agency.

As summarized in the NFL.com scouting profile, Smith has a High School sprinting background and uses that to great effect as a run-and-chase, sideline-to-sideline pursuer. The major flaw is that he's very inconsistent about making the actual tackle once he arrives. Good tackling is a thing you can teach, however. The native athletic ability to get to places that other men can't is a lot more rare.

BTW, if you like such trivia it's notable that Smith's father was a star college WR and that Deandre Hopkins is a cousin.

In this dual scouting profile (Terrance Smith and ** see below **.....Nick Kwiatkoski), retired NFL executive Greg Gabriel adds an excellent point: "Won't be a rookie starter but will be very good on specials while he learns."

Note that a high ankle sprain put significant dents into his 2015 film, and that he looked excellent in the Shrine Game practices before tweaking a hammy.




**Nick Kwiatkoski (quit-KOW-ski)**, ILB, West Virginia - ....GRADE - 6.01

6'1", 241 lbs. with 31-3/8" arms.

The descriptions remind you a lot of Vince Williams: a tough, hard-driving, spark-plug tackling machine who lacks only that little bit of athletic magic that turns NFL-caliber football players into NFL starters. He's a poor fit for the Steelers because Williams is already here, but I really do believe that Kwiatkoski has a future in the league.

This goes to the NFL.com scouting profile. This goes to a brief BTSC Fanpost that suggests he could expand to an Arthur Moats role in addition to being Vince Williams.

Here is a nice article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. This local news article describes his Senior Bowl practices as "eye catching."

GO TT GO !

[Maxie the Taxi]

My IDEAL draft wish list at this early point in time. My criteria were as follows:
* Increase team speed
* Allow the Packers to become an elite pass rushing defense
* Improve OL and better protect AROD
* Improve our ability to stretch the field vertically, both from the TE and WR positions
* Add a fast, tough ILB who will enable Clay to move back to OLB
* Improve 3rd down and Red Zone offense by adding a pass catching, change of pace RB
* Improve our KR and PR games
[Scouting analysis from NFL Draft Tracker]

1. DE KEVIN DODD 6'5" 277 LBS, 4.86 SEC 40 YD
CLEMSON
Strengths Relentless competitor with NFL-*ready frame. Refuses to give offensive lineman a play off. Not content to be around a play, wants in the action. Won't lay on blocks and able to improve his position after contact through footwork and strength. Never drops eyes from ball location and is able to unhinge from blocks quickly to make a play when the ball enters his patch of grass. Extremely instinctive and well-coached. Snuffs out screens, bootlegs and shovel passes almost every game. Takes his contain responsibility very seriously. Insane production spike from last year to this season. Saw his quarterback pressures go from three to 46 and he was credited with 12 sacks in 2015 season. Athletic upfield burst with desired bend and hip flexion to corner the edge. Has length and leverage to become an effective speed-*to*-power rusher. Wore Alabama out with three sacks and two tackles for loss. Tape shows a player who played his best football at the end of the year.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlMJ6uxUeg

NFL Comparison Michael Bennett


2. DT VERNON BUTLER 6'4" 323 LBS,
LOUISIANA TECH

Strengths Long-*armed knee-bender who can play the role of low man at the point of attack. Plays with strong hands and good arm extension and can ?peek*a*boo? both gaps as he reads which hole the running back heads for. Impressive stack and shed timing and power. Able to eat up double teams and keep his linebackers clean when asked to. Excellent athleticism. Can make plays all along the line of scrimmage. If blocker doesn?t finish, Butler will work himself back into the play. Able to coordinate hands and feet smoothly and has change of direction and closing burst to become a dominant pass rusher from inside. Can slide from gap to gap as a pass rusher and is a perfect fit for twist-*based defense. Generally attacks gaps with forward lean and ability to corner the edge when he has his man beat. Can stutter-*step into pass rush to disrupt offensive lineman?s timing or generate a speed-*to-*power bull rush that can severely dent a pocket. Gives consistent effort and plays like a lead dog looking to eat.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltL6872vGzs

NFL Comparison Muhammad Wilkerson


3. OLB DEION JONES 6'1" 222 LBS, 4.59 SEC 40 YD
LSU

Strengths High-twitch, well-muscled athlete with tapered waist and powerful trunk. Quick lateral slide from gap-to-gap mirroring running back. Speed to chase from sideline to sideline. Accelerates off his spot and into his target preferring to wrap up and drive hips through the tackle. Brings pop behind his pads. Trustworthy. Handles his run fits and isn’t looking to be a hero. Bouncy feet enable sudden change of direction. Willing to step into hole and deliver a blow to pulling guards or iso *blocks. Has strength at point of attack to squeeze the edge against tight ends. Able to defend passes or pick them off in coverage. Special teams demon on cover teams. Maintained focus and team-*first attitude despite being unable to crack starting lineup until his senior season. He played primarily on special teams in 2012 (23 tackles, three for loss) and 2013 (15 tackles) before seeing more time on defense as a junior (27 tackles, 3.5 for loss). Then came Jones’ chance to start with Alexander moving on to the NFL. He became permanent team captain and defensive MVP after leading the team with 100 tackles and 13.5 tackles for loss.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwNB_QfeoPc

[Darron Lee gets pushed all over the field and is tenuous as a tackler. Jones is a load. Not as proficient in coverage as Lee, but that should improve with experience and coaching. With Jones as our ILB, Clay can go back to OLB.]

4. OLB AARON WALLACE 6'3" 240 LBS, 4.64 SEC 40 YD
UCLA

Strengths Well*-built with good muscular definition. Slightly pigeon-toed with explosive burst upfield to threaten tackles. Quick-*twitch athlete. Plus lateral quickness and good knee bend in his play. Has enough juice to be a true edge rusher. Can dip and trim the corner with a tight turn. Finished this season with seven sacks and 17 pressures despite playing less than 60 percent of the snaps. Holds a solid edge against tackles and has the strength and potential to own tight ends at point of attack. Shows agility in space to cover. Has experience as 3*-4 rush linebacker and 4*-3 WILL and SAM. Showed massive improvement over the course of the season. Was playing his best football at the end of the year.

[Wallace has great bloodlines. Reminds me of Clay.]

4a. G JOE DAHL 6'4" 304 LBS
WASHINGTON STATE

Strengths Has started at guard and tackle and could be considered emergency tackle in a pinch. Decent flexibility in his lower half. Uses wide base as run blocker. Despite playing in pass-happy offense, shows ability to fire out with pop into defender and get some initial push as drive blocker. Good grip to maintain his initial block. Has hand quickness to move inside. Does a nice job of shifting weight to challenge inside moves. Coaches rave about his work habits and ability to retain information. Added weight and then muscle to his frame over last two years. Works his tail off to recover when beaten in pass protection. Constantly looking for work and will cave in pass rusher engaged with his teammate.

NFL Comparison T.J. Lang


4b. OT KYLE MURPHY 6'6" 305 LBS
STANFORD

Strengths Has good feel for the position. Very aware in pass protection seeking out blitzes and twists and takes consistent angles up to the linebackers in the running game. Once he gets moving in space, is able to open up his hips and run with a relatively athletic gait. Plays with strong hands and good placement that can snatch and latch if he gets there first. Makes low pad level a priority in run game. Is usually low man and will use good leg drive or snap hips to secure the block. Adequate change direction in space. Patient second level blocker allowing the block to come to him. Outstanding work with teammate Joshua Garnett with combo blocks and double teams. Doesn’t lean in pass protection and can gain decent ground with his kick *slides.


5. RB TYLER ERVIN 5'10" 192 LBS, 4.41 SEC 40 YD
SAN JOSE STATE

Strengths Short-*strider in tight confines with ability to make sudden directional change. Despite lanky frame, doesn?t run with any fear between the tackles and doesn't look to bounce runs unnecessarily. Combines smoothness with quick reaction time to avoid traffic in the backfield and slalom his way through shifting, fluid creases along the line of scrimmage. Plus lateral escapability. Quality hands and can function as pass catcher with some matchup potential. Very good play speed and can punch the gas to top speed quickly. High-*knee runner who can gain yardage in chunks if run fits break down. Scored three touchdowns on kickoffs over freshman and sophomore year and has returned kicks all four seasons. He led the team in rushing in 2014 (888 yards, four scores) and 2015 (1,469 yards, 13 touchdowns). Ervin's likely to play a rusher/receiver/returner role in the Dexter McCluster mold on Sundays, as he caught 73 passes for 642 yards the past two seasons in addition to his rushing work. His ability as a kick returner (2,374 career yardage, three scores) should also earn him credit.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4eLC2APXRc

[Is an experienced and elite KR and PR.]

6. WR KOLBY LISTENBEE 6'0" 197 LBS, 4.39 SEC 40 YD
TCU

Strengths Able to win deep against man coverage. Averaged 19 yards per catch and 16 yards at the point of the catch in 2015. Natural hands. Doesn't typically have to fight the ball and shows very good concentration to eyeball throws into his hands. Adequate ball tracking and makes late adjustments on deep throws. Good hand fighter to free himself to be catch*-ready. Has second gear to run under throws. Adjusts well to low throws and can go dig them out.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD-vX71On44

[Fast! He should slide to a later round because he's less well known than others in the WR class despite outrunning all of them at the Combine. His lack of experience will put some teams off. Better than James Jones now. Will give Adams and Janis a run for their money.]

7. TE TANNER MCEVOY 6'6" 231 LBS, 4.57 SEC 40 YD
WISCONSIN

Strengths McEvoy runs faster than any TE that attended the Combine. He's got size, speed, athleticism, has played receiver, catches the ball well and has excellent vision and moves as a ball carrier. He can line up inside or outside. I see him in the role of a third-down and red zone target and if he puts on some weight and learns to block, who knows. I do know he's willing to do whatever it takes to play. He's got courage and he's tough. Rather than list the reasons he could play TE for the Packers, I'd rather hear reasons why he couldn't.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ojKBcmAWQ

[pbmax]

7. TE TANNER MCEVOY 6'6" 231 LBS, 4.57 SEC 40 YD
WISCONSIN

Strengths McEvoy runs faster than any TE that attended the Combine. He's got size, speed, athleticism, has played receiver, catches the ball well and has excellent vision and moves as a ball carrier. He can line up inside or outside. I see him in the role of a third-down and red zone target and if he puts on some weight and learns to block, who knows. I do know he's willing to do whatever it takes to play. He's got courage and he's tough. Rather than list the reasons he could play TE for the Packers, I'd rather hear reasons why he couldn't.

To start, let me say I actually would be happy if he landed on the Packers as a #7. Especially in the seventh round, ever more if he was one of two seventh round picks available after trades.

But his downside is this: He never played TE in college. Despite his marvelous athletics, he had trouble making an impact at WR due to his duties as safety. So he is changing positions and is a huge project. He is probably 2 years on the PS.

He was not a truly hard nosed safety, so it remains to be seen how he takes to blocking. He has rarely blocked. Projecting him to TE right now means that teams would treat him as a WR and substitute accordingly. He would not add to the run game and we don't know if he can beat NFL coverage.

He weighs 231 pounds. He needs a minimum of 20 pounds on that frame. Maybe he gets away with fifteen (but did anyone think DJ Williams was big enough at that weight?). What does that do to his speed?

On the plus side: Put him in a cowboy hat, hope for an accelerated learning curve and he could be Jay Novacek.

[Patler]

To start, let me say I actually would be happy if he landed on the Packers as a #7. Especially in the seventh round, ever more if he was one of two seventh round picks available after trades.

But his downside is this: He never played TE in college. Despite his marvelous athletics, he had trouble making an impact at WR due to his duties as safety. So he is changing positions and is a huge project. He is probably 2 years on the PS.

He was not a truly hard nosed safety, so it remains to be seen how he takes to blocking. He has rarely blocked. Projecting him to TE right now means that teams would treat him as a WR and substitute accordingly. He would not add to the run game and we don't know if he can beat NFL coverage.

He weighs 231 pounds. He needs a minimum of 20 pounds on that frame. Maybe he gets away with fifteen (but did anyone think DJ Williams was big enough at that weight?). What does that do to his speed?

On the plus side: Put him in a cowboy hat, hope for an accelerated learning curve and he could be Jay Novacek.


. and DJ Williams was 4" shorter, if McEvoy is really 6'6". He will probably need to add at least 30 pounds of good muscle to hold up at TE.

[woodbuck27]

Good link woody... I'll try to go thru it more as I'm looking at players.

I skimmed down a bit - they had Rankins at 1:25... I'd love to see Rankins still on the board at our pick.

One guy that is a mystery to me, and he is high on this board too, is Jarran Reed. I just don't see it with this guy... haven't like what I've seen of him. Will have to look at him some more though, b/c everyone has him in the mid-first round. The Steeler board has him 1:20.

Jarren Reed out of Baylor a DT:

I'm looking at a Mock by a Cleveland Sports writer that has him picked right after the Packers Pick at NO. 27 and DE Kevin Dodd (Clemson) .

The Kansas City Chiefs pick DT Jarren Reed at NO..

[woodbuck27]

To start, let me say I actually would be happy if he landed on the Packers as a #7. Especially in the seventh round, ever more if he was one of two seventh round picks available after trades.

But his downside is this: He never played TE in college. Despite his marvelous athletics, he had trouble making an impact at WR due to his duties as safety. So he is changing positions and is a huge project. He is probably 2 years on the PS.

He was not a truly hard nosed safety, so it remains to be seen how he takes to blocking. He has rarely blocked. Projecting him to TE right now means that teams would treat him as a WR and substitute accordingly. He would not add to the run game and we don't know if he can beat NFL coverage.

He weighs 231 pounds. He needs a minimum of 20 pounds on that frame. Maybe he gets away with fifteen (but did anyone think DJ Williams was big enough at that weight?). What does that do to his speed?

On the plus side: Put him in a cowboy hat, hope for an accelerated learning curve and he could be Jay Novacek.

Damn I'd hate to get into your objective field of sight.

TE TANNER MCEVOY needs an agent that tries very hard to give him a try out in any CFL TC.

[woodbuck27]

TE class is very weak, so is the ILB class. The question is, if both Henry and Ragland are there when the Packers draft who would you want the Packers to draft?

You go for the STEAL who should be gone before Pick NO. 20:ILB Reggie Ragland.

Maybe he's picked in some of our dreams.

[woodbuck27]

What about this guy if he falls to our second Round pick?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2001860/jason-spriggs

[wist43]

Jarren Reed out of Baylor a DT:

I'm looking at a Mock by a Cleveland Sports writer that has him picked right after the Packers Pick at NO. 27 and DE Kevin Dodd (Clemson) .

The Kansas City Chiefs pick DT Jarren Reed at NO..

I think you're thinking of Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor, 6'1, 311 lbs. (CBS rank #15) No way he'll be there at 27.

I was talking about Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama. He's ranked ahead of Rankins, and I just don't see that. I don't see Reed in the 1st round, but a lot of people like him.

[woodbuck27]

My IDEAL draft wish list at this early point in time. My criteria were as follows:
* Increase team speed
* Allow the Packers to become an elite pass rushing defense
* Improve OL and better protect AROD
* Improve our ability to stretch the field vertically, both from the TE and WR positions
* Add a fast, tough ILB who will enable Clay to move back to OLB
* Improve 3rd down and Red Zone offense by adding a pass catching, change of pace RB
* Improve our KR and PR games
[Scouting analysis from NFL Draft Tracker]

1. DE KEVIN DODD 6'5" 277 LBS, 4.86 SEC 40 YD
CLEMSON
Strengths Relentless competitor with NFL-*ready frame. Refuses to give offensive lineman a play off. Not content to be around a play, wants in the action. Won't lay on blocks and able to improve his position after contact through footwork and strength. Never drops eyes from ball location and is able to unhinge from blocks quickly to make a play when the ball enters his patch of grass. Extremely instinctive and well-coached. Snuffs out screens, bootlegs and shovel passes almost every game. Takes his contain responsibility very seriously. Insane production spike from last year to this season. Saw his quarterback pressures go from three to 46 and he was credited with 12 sacks in 2015 season. Athletic upfield burst with desired bend and hip flexion to corner the edge. Has length and leverage to become an effective speed-*to*-power rusher. Wore Alabama out with three sacks and two tackles for loss. Tape shows a player who played his best football at the end of the year.

VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlMJ6uxUeg

NFL Comparison Michael Bennett

He's a solid Candidate.

[Maxie the Taxi]

To start, let me say I actually would be happy if he landed on the Packers as a #7. Especially in the seventh round, ever more if he was one of two seventh round picks available after trades.

But his downside is this: He never played TE in college. Despite his marvelous athletics, he had trouble making an impact at WR due to his duties as safety. So he is changing positions and is a huge project. He is probably 2 years on the PS.

He was not a truly hard nosed safety, so it remains to be seen how he takes to blocking. He has rarely blocked. Projecting him to TE right now means that teams would treat him as a WR and substitute accordingly. He would not add to the run game and we don't know if he can beat NFL coverage.

He weighs 231 pounds. He needs a minimum of 20 pounds on that frame. Maybe he gets away with fifteen (but did anyone think DJ Williams was big enough at that weight?). What does that do to his speed?

On the plus side: Put him in a cowboy hat, hope for an accelerated learning curve and he could be Jay Novacek.

All true. He's a Jeff Janis project. However, having been a QB and WR, he's likely to be a rapid learner. Moreover, I don't see the need for him to be anything other than a situational TE at the start. Use him where his height, speed and ball carrying ability can create a mismatch and complement DickRod's game. Jermichael Finley played at 6'5" 247 lbs and wasn't much of a blocker. I think McEvoy is stronger and more athletic than Finley. Probably smarter and more dedicated too. He should be able to play a Finley-type game with the Packers soon enough with work, study and experience.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/lance-zierlein/300603

This Mock says TT will be advised to go with a TE if he agrees with it. That TE is:

Hunter Henry , TE - Arkansas

" Henry is a combination tight end with outstanding hands and the ability to help out as an in-line blocker or as go-to target on third downs. There are very few true tight ends in this class, and Green Bay grabs the top tight end."

[pbmax]

All true. He's a Jeff Janis project. However, having been a QB and WR, he's likely to be a rapid learner. Moreover, I don't see the need for him to be anything other than a situational TE at the start. Use him where his height, speed and ball carrying ability can create a mismatch and complement DickRod's game. Jermichael Finley played at 6'5" 247 lbs and wasn't much of a blocker. I think McEvoy is stronger and more athletic than Finley. Probably smarter and more dedicated too. He should be able to play a Finley-type game with the Packers soon enough with work, study and experience.

If he can catch the ball high, he would be a brutal red-zone weapon.

[BZnDallas]

If he can catch the ball high, he would be a brutal red-zone weapon.

If we could add Hunter Henry in the 1st and McEvoy in the 7th we would certainly be a lot taller and faster on the offensive side of the ball. Hunter while learning the pro game himself could probably help Tanner learn the TE basics. Tanner could also be a tweener and that other option at WR we've been discussing. Fill two spots with a 7th round pick sounds like a TT thing to do. Then if they ever had to cut Abby, we'd still have the token Badger on the O.

[Fritz]

I have a friend who is an Arkansas alum and watches lots of Razorback football. He's of the opinon that the Henry dude is soft and highly Overrated.

[BZnDallas]

Interesting... was hoping more for the Jason Witten type like NFL.com compared him too. That is a bit deflating...

[wist43]

Don't want any of the TE's I've looked at in this class so far... definitely don't want Henry early in the draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Don't want any of the TE's I've looked at in this class so far... definitely don't want Henry early in the draft.I agree. DL and OLB talent in this draft congregates in the first few rounds. I don't see TT passing on Vernon Butler or Kevin Dodd to take ANY TE. Admittedly, Kevin Dodd is not likely to fall to the 2nd round, but a guy like Carl Nassib might. Nassib is a high motor 6'7" DE that lead the nation in sacks. Hunter Henry might result in a marginal improvement in the TE corps, but Nassib's marginal improvement in our pass rush game might be tremendous.

[BZnDallas]

I agree. DL and OLB talent in this draft congregates in the first few rounds. I don't see TT passing on Vernon Butler or Kevin Dodd to take ANY TE. Admittedly, Kevin Dodd is not likely to fall to the 2nd round, but a guy like Carl Nassib might. Nassib is a high motor 6'7" DE that lead the nation in sacks. Hunter Henry might result in a marginal improvement in the TE corps, but Nassib's marginal improvement in our pass rush game might be tremendous.

Is Dodd going to even be there at 27? I'm more than ok with using first pick on D. But hasn't his stock shot up to where his teammates is, Lawson? They will both be gone by 27 right?

[Patler]

Don't want any of the TE's I've looked at in this class so far... definitely don't want Henry early in the draft.

I've watched a few videos of his highlights, I see him catch the balls thrown to him, but not really do anything special. A few nice grabs, showing decent hands like R Rodgers. I have no doubt that he is faster than Rodgers, but, as I noted in another thread about him, he looks heavy footed. Not particularly quick or nifty at avoiding tacklers, not particularly strong running through tackles, etc. Wouldn't mind if they drafted him in the second round, maybe, but I hope for someone else in the 1st.

[smuggler]

Nick Vannett could be a good all-around TE prospect in the third or fourth. He'll never be a Jimmy Graham, but few are.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Is Dodd going to even be there at 27? I'm more than ok with using first pick on D. But hasn't his stock shot up to where his teammates is, Lawson? They will both be gone by 27 right?No, Dodd probably won't be there at 27. I happen to think Dodd is better than Lawson as a pass rusher. Just watch the film. But my point is that someone will be there (like Vernon Butler) that has a higher marginal return to the team than a TE like Henry.

Look at it this way. Henry is supposedly the best TE in the draft, yet he won't be a difference maker because he's not that much better than who we already have. Heck, Henry might not even start. So it makes no sense of pass on a player who WILL be a starter and who might be a difference maker in favor of Henry.

[call_me_ishmael]

The only TE worth a first round pick returned to school. OJ Howard is gonna be a star. Did you see that kid in the National Championship? It's obviously one game but he was dominant and fast!

[Bretsky]

Don't want any of the TE's I've looked at in this class so far... definitely don't want Henry early in the draft.


Didn't you not want my man Allen Robinson either ? I recall you had serious man love for Donte Moncrief..who....to be honest...we'd all trade for the Fresno Fraud right now

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nick Vannett could be a good all-around TE prospect in the third or fourth. He'll never be a Jimmy Graham, but few are.

I'd rather have Vannett or Jerell Adams later in the draft than Henry in the first round. Henry is not a first round TE to me.

[wist43]

Didn't you not want my man Allen Robinson either ? I recall you had serious man love for Donte Moncrief..who....to be honest...we'd all trade for the Fresno Fraud right now

I remember liking Robinson okay, like Moncrief more.

Think Moncrief will come on this year. Robinson has obviously blown up, along with Bortles... targeted both of those guys in fantasy.

Adams' head is in the clouds - last season was a mess. Let's hope he rebounds.

[wist43]

Starting to get an idea of who might be available, when... guys I can live with...

Round 1
Sheldon Rankins, DT, 6'1", 299 lbs, Louisville
Reggie Ragland, ILB, 6'1", 247 lbs, Alabama
Josh Doctson, WR, 6'2", 202 lbs, TCU
Cody Coleman, WR, 5'11", 194 lbs, Baylor

Round 2
Cody Whitehair, OL, 6'4", 301 lbs, Kansas State
Shilique Calhoun, OLB/DE, 6'4", 251 lbs, Michigan State

Round 3
Deion Jones, LB, 6'1", 222 lbs, LSU (would move him inside)
Rashard Higgins, WR, 6'1", 196, Colorado State

[Fritz]

Didn't you not want my man Allen Robinson either ? I recall you had serious man love for Donte Moncrief..who....to be honest...we'd all trade for the Fresno Fraud right now


If Adams is healthy this year, you're going to have to take back your criticism. He will rebound if he's healthy.

[Bretsky]

If Adams is healthy this year, you're going to have to take back your criticism. He will rebound if he's healthy.


I hope you are right; but I didn't think much of him as a rookie either. I've seen more from Montgomery's route running than Adams. Then again, Adams may be running routes against the 4th best cover guy next year. Maybe he De Frauds himself. But line him up against a starting caliber guy now and he vanishes

[Joemailman]

I hope you are right; but I didn't think much of him as a rookie either. I've seen more from Montgomery's route running than Adams. Then again, Adams may be running routes against the 4th best cover guy next year. Maybe he De Frauds himself. But line him up against a starting caliber guy now and he vanishes

Adams either lost confidence last year or was pressing. Not sure which. In 2014 he had his best games in 2 of the biggest games of the year (New England and Dallas), so he didn't retreat from the big stage. Of course that was with Jordy and Cobb drawing most of the defensive attention. So maybe he can't be anything more than a decent #3. That would be a bit of a disappointment for a 2nd round pick, but the team could live with it.

[wist43]

This is a post-combine ranking by Dane Brugler of NFLScout.com

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25503943/nfl-draft-top-50-draft-board-20

1. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (6-5, 305, 5.23, Jr.)
Despite never earning SEC Offensive Lineman of the Week honors in his three-year Ole Miss career, Tunsil is the best prospect in the 2016 NFL Draft. He is a nimble big man with a rare athletic skill set for the position and his flaws are more nitpicking than true weaknesses.

2. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA (6-1, 245, 4.56, Jr.)
Jack is an athletic specimen with above average pursuit speed, contact balance and mental processor to know everything going on around him. He doesn't have ideal size or power and his medicals need to be vetted (meniscus), but Jack has the athletic skill set to be a difference-maker.

3. Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State (6-1, 202, 4.49, Jr.)
If you combined a safety, cornerback and linebacker into one prospect, the result would look something like Ramsey, who was blessed with the inherent instincts and an impressive size/athletic profile. It's rare to see defensive backs mentioned as worthy of the top pick, but he deserves it.

4. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State (6-5, 275, 4.82, Jr.)
Bosa is very physically gifted, but even better, he knows how to use those gifts and works his tail off to maximize his potential. He might never be a consistent double-digit sack artist in the NFL, but he is scheme versatile with the power, athleticism and instinctive traits to disrupt the pocket.

5. Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State (6-0, 225, 4.42, Jr.)
Elliott has the résumé of a playmaker and is extremely well-rounded, doing some of his best work away from the ball. He is outstanding at syncing his eyes with his feet to read, cut and go in a fluid motion, displaying the playmaking traits to make an impact runner from day one.

6. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss (6-2, 210, 4.52, Jr.)
Although he's not a sudden athlete, Treadwell plays with athletic twitch and power to be a threat before and after the catch. He has exceptional ball skills and catching radius with strong hands to pluck away from his body, drawing comparisons to a lesser-dynamic version of Dez Bryant.

7. DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon (6-7, 290, 4.87, Sr.)
Buckner plays with explosive movements and terrific body control for a man his size, flashing heavy hands and initial power to be a disruptive force. He's still learning how to string together rush moves, but developed into more of a consistent playmaker as a senior.

8. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville (6-1, 303, 4.92, Sr.)
A balanced athlete for his size, Rankins is a physical presence with the hand strength to press blockers off his frame, create separation and disrupt the backfield. He keeps his eyes trained on the ball and understands different hand tactics -- an ascending player.

9. Jared Goff, QB, California (6-4, 210, 4.82, Jr.)
Goff has good, but not great, physical traits and arm strength, but his best qualities are his intelligence, pocket mechanics and ability to self-evaluate. He undoubtedly faces a learning curve in the NFL, but he has the passing traits and mental process to find success early in his pro career.

10. Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (6-5, 231, 4.84, RSr.)
Although his internal clock and eye use need maturing, Wentz boasts a NFL-style skill set with his size, athleticism and arm talent. He lacks ideal experience against top competition, but his tape shows the anticipation and field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions.

11. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (6-6, 315, 5.17, RJr.)
A dancing bear, Stanley was blessed with the athleticism, long arms and above-average feet to handle speed and mirror rushers in space. He needs to fine tune his mechanics before he's ready for NFL snaps, but his upside and athletic skill set should land him in the top 10.

12. Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State (6-1, 235, 4.48, RSo.)
A high school quarterback, Lee is still young in linebacker years, but he is a fantastic athlete with long arms, aggressive hands and the striking ability to finish through his target. He is a versatile run-and-hit defender with an attacking mindset that fits today's NFL. Lee's combine performance coupled with Jack's injury concerns could make him the first linebacker drafted.

13. Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (5-10, 195, 4.43, RSo.)
Alexander didn't record an interception in college, but he wasn't consistently targeted, not allowing a touchdown the final 24 games of his career. While his route anticipation and technique need work, he is able to smother receivers with his lower body fluidity and quick reflexes.

14. Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson (6-3, 270, 4.67, RJr.)
Despite losing eight defensive starters from 2014, Clemson's defense ranked top 10 nationally in 2015 and Lawson was a substantial reason for that, leading the nation in tackles for loss (25.5). He isn't a long-armed, twitchy athlete, but his efficient pass-rush process makes him productive.

15. Vernon Hargreaves, CB, Florida (5-11, 199, 4.48, Jr.)
Although he has only ordinary size, Hargreaves is above average in three main areas for the position: play speed, instincts and competitive toughness. He needs to improve his timing and spacing in coverage but has a coachable attitude and decisive reactor.

16. Noah Spence, DE, Eastern Kentucky (6-3, 261, 4.68, RJr.)
An Ohio State transfer, Spence is one of the top wild cards in the 2016 class due to his immense talent, but heavy baggage off the field. He is a slippery rusher with the initial burst, lateral quicks and natural leverage to threaten the pocket on a regular basis.

17. Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama (6-2, 252, 4.72, Sr.)
An excellent point of attack defender, Ragland has terrific play speed, and it's no coincidence that he's always around the ball with his diagnose skills. He can be overaggressive at times, but he's a punishing tackler and flashes violence in his hands to detach himself from blocks.

18. Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama (6-3, 313, 5.14, Sr.)
Although not a rangy player, Reed is a smooth athlete for his size, scraping down the line of scrimmage and pushing the pocket (led all Alabama defensive linemen in tackles each of the last two seasons). He is the draft's top nose tackle due to his stout anchor and balance.

19. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (6-6, 230, 4.95, RJr.)
A late bloomer, Lynch needs mechanical work and on-field reps, but he checks boxes for his size, athleticism, arm talent and appetite for football. Although his pro transition requires time, the ingredients are there for Lynch to develop into a NFL starter.

20. Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State (6-6, 318, 5.43, RJr.)
Conklin will struggle with speed at times, but no one is going through him due to his wide base and contact balance, always ready for action, which compensates for his elite quickness in pass protection. He is well-coached, physical and a natural competitor.

21. Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State (6-1, 200, 4.52, RSo.)
Apple isn't afraid to be physical and contest at the top of routes, but he's still learning what he can get away with and what will draw flags. He has several traits for the position that translate well to the next level with his size, length and athleticism to stay in phase with receivers.

22. Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State (6-4, 309, 5.08, RSr.)
Whitehair left an indelible mark at KSU with his leadership, work ethic and high level of play the last four years at both tackle and guard. He doesn't have the length to hold up consistently on the edges in the NFL, but Whitehair has the base strength and instincts to start at guard right now.

23. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss (6-3, 296, 4.86, Jr.)
A boom-or-bust type of prospect, Nkemdiche has above-average athleticism for his size, with the movement skills to skirt blockers and win with power. He is one of the top 10 talents in this draft class, but not one of the top 10 football players at this point in his development.

24. A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama (6-3, 312, 5.18, Jr.)
Nicknamed the “man child” growing up, Robinson has the look and power of a full grown man. His flashes are very good, but they don't happen consistently, mostly because he was asked to two-gap, clog things up and occupy blockers, which doesn't show up in the box score.

25. Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor (5-10, 190, 4.42, RJr.)
Baylor's wide-open offense is mostly half-field reads and unchallenged routes, making it difficult to compare Coleman's college film to what he'll see in the NFL. However, he has the athletic traits and competitive temperament that suggest it's only a matter of time before he finds success.

cont...

[wist43]

... cont

26. William Jackson, CB, Houston (6-1, 195, 4.52, Sr.)
Jackson, who leaves Houston with a school-record 48 passes defended, was a wide receiver in high school and does a lot of receiver-like things at the catch point with his tracking ability, length and ball skills. He can struggle in zone, but he plays sticky coverage in press-man.

27. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State (6-7, 315, 5.21, Sr.)
Although he can struggle at times with speed off the edge, especially flexible rushers who can bend underneath him, Decker has the frame, balance and forceful hands to neutralize quickness and control the point of attack. He doesn't have a high NFL ceiling, but he's a day one starter.

28. Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor (6-1, 310, 5.04, Jr.)
Billings, who was a record-setting weight-lifter in high school, flashes dominant qualities when he keeps his pad level low, rolls his hips and pushes his momentum into the pocket. As the technique and discipline catch up, Billings should continue to get better.

29. Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (6-3, 309, 5.06, Sr.)
Butler's flashes are impressive due to his lower body athleticism and upper body power to stack blockers and make stops at or behind the line of scrimmage. He needs to develop his pass rush technique, but his relentless playing temperament fits every scheme.

30. Jonathan Bullard, DL, Florida (6-3, 283, 4.86, Sr.)
A player who benefited by returning for his senior season, Bullard is a wrecking ball at the line of scrimmage due to his anticipation off the snap and quick reflexes to find the ball. He is limited as a pass rusher, but scheme diverse due to his play recognition at the point of attack.

31. Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA (6-2, 310, 5.14, Jr.)
A former high school wrestling champ, Clark translates several of those techniques from the mat to the football field. He is powerful at the point of attack and flashes the violence, agility and motor to twist and drive blockers backwards, projecting in an even or odd front.

32. Josh Doctson, WR, TCU (6-2, 195, 4.49, RSr.)
Although his experience is in a spread offense that didn't ask him to run a full route tree, Doctson shows outstanding effort on throws in his zip code, expanding his catch radius, contorting his body and finding ways to finish catches -- often bailing out his quarterback.

33. Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (6-4, 275, 4.84, RJr.)
Although he didn't start until this past season, Dodd made it count with 23.5 tackles for loss and a dozen sacks, numbers that fell just shy of Lawson's for the team lead. Dodd is still raw in areas, but with his size and quickness off the ball, he has been steadily rising.

34. Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama (6-4, 297, 5.23, RSr.)
The glue of the Crimson Tide offensive line, Kelly was a three-year starter in Tuscaloosa and a model of consistency. He tends to get overaggressive and fall off blocks, but he is quick in his movements and works hard to maintain leverage, projecting as the draft's top center.

35. Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State (6-3, 210, 4.54, RJr.)
Although not the fastest or most explosive, Thomas is a good-sized athlete and detailed route runner with little wasted movements to create spacing at the stem. He will need time to adapt to a NFL playbook, but his savvy footwork, body control and ball skills are starter quality.

36. Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State (5-11, 205, 4.52, Jr.)
Although his tackling mechanics need some refinement, Bell plays with the requisite mental and physical toughness and can hold his own in man coverage. His athleticism, timing and savvy at the position translate well to the next level, along with his decisive reactor.

37. Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina (5-11, 208, 4.52, Jr.)
A playmaker with the ball in his hands, Cooper displays the play speed, elusive cuts and start/stop movements to create on his own, before and after the catch. Similar to Randall Cobb when he came out of Kentucky, Cooper is a jack-of-all-trades weapon on offense.

38. Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (6-0, 184, 4.42, RJr.)
A dynamic deep threat, Fuller has the uncanny ability to create separation late in his route, using an extra gear when the ball is in the air, a burst that most cornerbacks can't match. His dropped passes are frustrating, but he is a big-time playmaker due to his ability to stretch the field.

39. Su'a Cravens, S/LB, Southern California (6-1, 225, 4.58, Jr.)
Cravens was asked to do a little bit of everything for the Trojans in a hybrid safety/linebacker role. His take-on strength and physical nature as a tackler are both below average, but he's a fluid athlete with excellent reaction skills and instincts to cover on an island.

40. Ronald Blair, DE, Appalachian State (6-2, 284, 5.15, RSr.)
Although his combine numbers don't accurately reflect his impressive tape, Blair belongs in the second-round discussion. He plays with violent hands and aggressive pass rush moves to rip through blockers, showing the effort to finish in the pocket.

41. Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (6-0, 197, 4.48, Jr.)
Fuller looked like a future high-round pick his first two years in Blacksburg, but 2015 was a lost season for him due to a torn meniscus. Nonetheless, he has the short-area quickness, controlled footwork and natural feel in coverage to be a reliable NFL starter.

42. Kamalei Correa, DE/LB, Boise State (6-3, 243, 4.69, Jr.)
Correa lacks much variety with his pass rush at this point in his development and his production is based more on effort and raw athleticism than technique and discipline. But he has the movement skills and competitive toughness worth grooming in a 3-4 scheme.

43. Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor (6-0, 201, 4.58, RJr.)
Howard won't be featured as the prototype for fundamentals in coverage, but his ability to find the ball in flight and use his ball skills to disrupt the catch point is above average. Although his long-speed isn't ideal, he mixes things up and does a lot of receiver-like things in coverage.

44. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State (6-3, 275, 4.76, RJr.)
A native of Nigeria, Ogbah is a “coach's dream” according to Mike Gundy due to his strong work ethic, intelligence and discipline. He is still learning the complexities of the position and lacks elite burst, but he's a balanced athlete with a coachable mentality that can be molded.

45. Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia (6-3, 232, 4.73, RJr.)
Floyd will likely be drafted higher than this ranking, especially after he blew up the combine. He has impressive rush skills to dip and flatten around the edge, but his lack of functional strength is a glaring concern -- once blockers make contact, he's too easily shut down.

46. Artie Burns, CB, Miami (6-0, 193, 4.53, Jr.)
Although undisciplined as a tackler and with his hands in coverage, Burns has the requisite play speed, lower body explosion and hip fluidity to play in both man and zone coverage in the NFL. He will be a special teams stand-out while his route anticipation and hand tactics improve.

47. Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State (6-1, 196, 4.64, Jr.)
Higgins doesn't have elite size or speed for the position, but he might be the best receiver in this class at finding open zones and giving his quarterback a clean target. He is a natural catcher of the football with the production that matches the tape.

48. Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma (5-10, 194, 4.48, Sr.)
Although his lack of size and strength will limit him in some areas, Shepard has above average body control and route savvy, using tempo and multiple gears to get open. Despite his limitations, Shepard is a very natural pass-catcher with the skills to be a YAC monster.

49. Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama (6-2, 242, 4.54, Jr.)
Since 2011, Alabama has had four running backs drafted in the first two rounds (with mixed results) and Henry should be the fifth. He is a powerful, yet graceful north-south athlete who can fit through tight spaces, using patience and instincts to gash defenses.

50. Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (6-3, 325, 5.27, RJr.)
A prospect whose production matches his tape, Johnson is built well to take on multiple blockers and clog the middle of the field. His motor is always revving and he moves well in small areas, showing the strong hands to stack and create movement in even and odd fronts.

[smuggler]

Adams just seems like the kind of guy that shrinks from adversity, where other guys thrive on it.


CBS has Billings rated 28 overall?? Well shit, I guess we'll take him.

[wist43]

No, that was Dane Brugler of NFLScout.com...

He has Rankins at #8... was hoping he'd drop to us at 27, but the cat is out of the bag on him. Other guys I liked that were lower ranked a few weeks ago, are shooting up the board... have to reevaluate what we can get at 27 I guess.

[woodbuck27]

2016 Mock Draft Muncher

Mocks We Munched for the Green Bay Packers.

Comment woodbuck27:

The popular choices:

Jarran Reed, DL, Alabama 8

Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech 4

Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas 4

Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama 4

Just looking at the results overall of those top 27 Mocks. It shows that there's a 2 out of 3 chance we'll end up with a pick for the DL in the 1st Round.

Now TT may decide to forgo his option in the 1st Round. After all he's got to be 'the Bean Counter' now with all that cash out the door to Aaron Rodgers and CM III.

[wist43]

2016 Mock Draft Muncher

Mocks We Munched for the Green Bay Packers.

Comment woodbuck27:

The popular choices:

Jarran Reed, DL, Alabama 8

Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech 4

Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas 4

Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama 4

Just looking at the results overall of those top 27 Mocks. It shows that there's a 2 out of 3 chance we'll end up with a pick for the DL in the 1st Round.

Now TT may decide to forgo his option in the 1st Round. After all he's got to be 'the Bean Counter' now with all that cash out the door to Aaron Rodgers and CM III.

The only guy I like out of that group Woody, is Ragland.

I definitely don't want either Butler, Reed, or Henry with the first 2 picks, and Ragland will likely be gone by 27.

Rankins is surely out of reach. Other guys I like, that may or may not be there are:

Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor (Dom could abandon the middle of the field of everyone except Billings - and I'd think we were okay up the middle :) Billings is a fire hydrant)

Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor

Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State

William Jackson III, CB, Houston

[woodbuck27]

The only guy I like out of that group Woody, is Ragland.

I definitely don't want either Butler, Reed, or Henry with the first 2 picks, and Ragland will likely be gone by 27.

Rankins is surely out of reach. Other guys I like, that may or may not be there are:

Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor (Dom could abandon the middle of the field of everyone except Billings - and I'd think we were okay up the middle :) Billings is a fire hydrant)

Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor

Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State

William Jackson III, CB, Houston

Noted for a follow-up.

[ThunderDan]

ILB REGGIE RAGLAND
ALABAMA

TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

WR PHAROH COOPER
SOUTH CAROLINA

RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS
ARKANSAS

DT WILLIE HENRY
MICHIGAN

G DENVER KIRKLAND
ARKANSAS

OLB VICTOR OCHI
STONY BROOK

OLB YANNICK NGAKOUE
MARYLAND

ILB NICK KWIATKOSKI
WEST VIRGINIA

Latest draft.

[smuggler]

27: R1P27
OT TAYLOR DECKER
OHIO STATE

57: R2P26
OLB JOSHUA PERRY
OHIO STATE

88: R3P25
WR TYLER BOYD
PITTSBURGH

126: R4P27
WR LEONTE CARROO
RUTGERS

132: R4P33
RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS
ARKANSAS

138: R4P39
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY

164: R5P24
CB RASHARD ROBINSON
LSU

201: R6P25
OT NICK RICHTER
RICHMOND

249: R7P27
G JORDAN WALSH
IOWA

Actually, here's a pretty good comedy option draft:

27: R1P27
RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTT
OHIO STATE

57: R2P26
WR JOSH DOCTSON
TCU

88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER
STANFORD

126: R4P27
WR LEONTE CARROO
RUTGERS

132: R4P33
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY

138: R4P39
RB C.J. PROSISE
NOTRE DAME

164: R5P24
C EVAN BOEHM
MISSOURI

201: R6P25
G ISAAC SEUMALO
OREGON STATE

249: R7P27
OT CLAY DEBORD
EASTERN WASHINGTON

[Deputy Nutz]

CBS has Ragland dropping to the Packers, as some of the defensive tackles have moved up the draft boards.

[call_me_ishmael]

That would be great! I suspect we will still need to draft a DT high. I am torn. In some ways I'd rather stand pat and play the odds of having more picks to find a good player or two, but on the other hand we aren't keeping 9 new people on the roster next year from the draft.

I tend to think the Packers will be looking at a DL in round 1 because some team will snatch Ragland before he gets to them. It doesn't seem like TT values MLB that highly, but I could be wrong.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think if Ragland is there that TT should draft him. He is a first round talent and that is what Thompson would be most concerned about. He won't fill a need position if he feels he is reaching.

The Packers now face a need with Raji retiring, and suspension. but I don't think they need to go first round as they can get talent at the DL in the second and third rounds if Ragland is not there when they pick at 27. In fact if Ragland would be gone I would even suggest that the Packers move out of the first round and gain second round and a possible 3rd round pick.

[woodbuck27]

CBS has Ragland dropping to the Packers, as some of the defensive tackles have moved up the draft boards.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=124839&draftyear=2016&genpos=ILB

I believe Packer Nation would be delighted with that pick by TT if 'in fact' Reggie Ragland is available. He is such a good fit for a Packer priority need at ILB. That allows a clear option and the use of CM III.

[Striker]

This man (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645046/article/400pound-tight-end-among-those-to-impress-at-baylors-pro-day?campaign=fb-nf-sf22689667-sf22689667) is our new TE.

[wist43]

Don't think Ragland will drop the 27... doubt Billings will be there either.

If we miss out on Ragland, I'd take Deion Jones... later on. Not sure where his value is now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000644566/article/deion-jones-has-off-the-charts-workout-at-lsus-pro-day

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've soured on Ragland a bit. He's an old school ILB with very average measurables. Personally, I'd like to add speed and coverage to the position, and I'd be all for taking a guy like Deion Jones in the 2nd or 3rd round. Joshua Perry might be able to give you something similar to Ragland, but a round or two later. I like Billings and Jackson. Vernon Butler is more of a 1 technique than a 0 technique. D.J. Reader is a big NT that I like later in the middle rounds.

Hunter Henry moved back into first round consideration with a good Pro Day.


Henry put up a strong workout. He completed 21 reps at 225 pounds in the bench press, which was more than all but two tight ends who bench pressed at the combine. Henry also showed off his speed with a 4.68 40-yard dash that would have been the second-best time at the combine. He also showed off his athleticism in the broad jump.

Pro Day numbers can be misleading (some, not all), but even if this is a little padded, it's what he needed to get back into first round conversation. I still like Nick Vannett in round 3 or 4. He plays faster than he timed.

[wist43]

The call on Ragland will be whether or not you think he can be an every-down backer. I think he can, but he'd have to be protected against getting caught in mismatches; most of his coverage responsibilities should be zone based regardless.

Other than Deion Jones, another guy I like further down is Jatavis Brown. He's listed as an OLB, but I'd move him inside. He's 5'11", 221 lbs, and ran a 4.52 40. Really like what I've seen of him on tape.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The call on Ragland will be whether or not you think he can be an every-down backer. I think he can, but he'd have to be protected against getting caught in mismatches; most of his coverage responsibilities should be zone based regardless.

Other than Deion Jones, another guy I like further down is Jatavis Brown. He's listed as an OLB, but I'd move him inside. He's 5'11", 221 lbs, and ran a 4.52 40. Really like what I've seen of him on tape.

He played well at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. I was a bit surprised he didn't get a combine invite.

[Deputy Nutz]

Speed is a great thing to have, but in Capers 3-4 you have to have inside linebackers that can scrape off blocks and fill gaps, not players that run around blocks or shoot gaps to avoid blocks. Ragland fits the bill in that regard. He is an excellent blitzer and an aggressive player. If he drops he is a no brainer for the Packers.

[pbmax]

^ They must have 1 ILB that can take on a block an defeat it. With exceptions, the D has a one man numerical advantage inside, more so when they double the nose.

The problem is when that player doesn't get to the ball, there is an abandoned gap. If the other ILB gets blocked, its wide enough that Travis Jervey could find it.

[call_me_ishmael]

A player I would welcome in round 1 is Leonard Floyd. I bet he is a perennial pro bowler in short order. Looks super athletic on youtube.

[smuggler]

If Joshua Perry is still there in the 2nd, it would be good fortune. I don't see a scenario where he falls to us in the 3rd.

[wist43]

Haven't liked what I've seen of Perry... he is 6'4", is a long-strider, and has a high-cut build. I think that limits him athletically. Despite being 6'4", he can't play outside, or with a hand in the dirt. You would think his height would translate to length, and therefore pass rush potential, but it doesn't in his case.

He can't play outside, and I don't think he can thrive inside on the NFL level.

[Deputy Nutz]

I struggle with taking an OLB and trying to transition him to the inside in a 3-4. Maybe if you take a strongside OLB in a 4-3 defense, but not a OLB in a 3-4, they just can't do it without struggling.

[KYPack]

TT treats the ILB position like a spare tire. He wants to get 'em with a mid pick and pay 'em middle money. Ragland for a 4-5 rookie deal might fill the bill. I saw him a couple times last year, he looks like a stud. The rap on him is over reaction and over pursuit.

Sounds like he'll fit right in.

[smuggler]

While you may be right about Perry, just a few years ago, critics Hamed Watt for being 'too slow'.

[wist43]

I struggle with taking an OLB and trying to transition him to the inside in a 3-4. Maybe if you take a strongside OLB in a 4-3 defense, but not a OLB in a 3-4, they just can't do it without struggling.

I myself have made that argument - a few years gone by. The game has changed enough in the last 5-6 years though, that I don't think that is supportable anymore. 2 down LB's are going the way of the DoDo Bird.

Besides, we already have stack and shed ILB's - Ryan and Barrington. Problem is - they can't run, and they can't cover. We get absolutely killed in the middle of the field and in man coverage with our LB's. If we are in the nickel, which we more than likely will be - all a team need do is throw 3 wides out there, prompting the predictable 2-4 Capers will counter with... without cover LB's underneath, your defense is easy pickin's.

More than that - if we are going to move Matthews back outside - then that means we are back where we started with needing to find at 2 servicable ILB's not just one.

These are kinds of holes that tend to cost our team big throughout the course of a season.

[smuggler]

https://i.imgur.com/wFNn75j.jpg

I would be so fucking thrilled with Billings...

[woodbuck27]

https://i.imgur.com/wFNn75j.jpg

I would be so fucking thrilled with Billings...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079903/andrew-billings

Andrew Billings, DT

School: Baylor | Conference: BIG12
College Experience: Junior | Hometown: Waco, TX
Height/Weight: 6-1 / 311 lbs.

" ...... A hometown product from Waco, Billings became a full-time starting nose tackle as a sophomore in 2014 and finished third on the team leaders with 11.5 tackles for loss to go with a pair of sacks and nine quarterback hits.

West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen said in October that "Billings is the best kid I've ever gone against."


Billings finished his junior year with a team-high 15.0 tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks, adding 40 tackles and a forced fumble. He announced on Jan. 12 that he would forego his senior season......."

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/305659

2016 NFL Mock Draft

Mock draft 5.0: Mock Draft Shakeup . QB Jared Goff falls to Pick NO. 15 - Rams

By Daniel Jeremiah | NFL Media analyst

Published: March 29, 2016 at 06:21 p.m.

Comment woodb

NFL.COM's Daniel Jeremiah's Mock informs us that the Packers Pick at NO. 27 will be:

[SIZE=1][COLOR="#B22222"]OLB Darron Lee (Ohio State) - GRADE 6.07

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/darron-lee?id=2555322


The first DT off the board in his Mock is Chris Jones (Miississippi State) to the Detroit Lions.

DT Sheldon Rankings is awarded to the Buffalo Bills at NO. 19

NT Andrew Billings is selected for the Washington Redskins at NO. 21

Andrew Billings is a good one. BIG - STRONG and FAST:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000639740/article/billings-leads-2016-drafts-safest-picks-among-interior-dlinemen

DT Jarran Reed is picked for the Cincy Bengals at NO. 24

OT Taylor Decker is picked for the Seattle Seahawks at NO. 26.

For Picks NO. 22 to NO. 28 (7 Picks) 2 CB's and 2 WR's come off the board.

This fella is special. CB Jalen Ramsey is selected at NO. 3 for the San Diego Chargers.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I've been looking at and analyzing NFL.COM's Chad Reuter's Five Round Mock.

I'll post his selections for the Green Bay Packers in this thread:

Chad Reuter

Chad Reuter has covered the NFL draft since 2000. He was hired by NFLDraftScout.com as a senior analyst in 2007, and continued in that role when NFLDraftScout and CBSSports.com formed their partnership for the 2009 draft. He joined NFL Network and NFL.com in December 2011 as a senior researcher, assisting in the production of the East-West Shrine Game, Senior Bowl, Scouting Combine and NFL Draft.


Five-round mock 5.0:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648219/article/fiveround-mock-50-cowboys-pluck-myles-jack-derrick-henry

By Chad Reuter Draft analyst NFL.COM

Published: March 28, 2016 at 04:40 PM

Note: 238 Comments


GREEN BAY PACKERS PICKS:

Rd 1, Pick 27 (27) Rd 2, Pick 26 (57) Rd 3, Pick 25 (88)

Rd 4, Pick 27 (125) Rd 4, Pick 33 (131) Rd 4, Pick 39 (137)

Rd 5, Pick 26 (163)

Rd 6, Pick 25 (200) Rd 7, Pick 27 (248)


PICK NO. 27: Jarran Reed - DT, Alabama Grade = 6.10

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000639740/article/billings-leads-2016-drafts-safest-picks-among-interior-dlinemen

B.J. Raji is taking a hiatus from football, so the Packers are in need of help in the interior. With his combination of strength, athleticism and foot quickness, Reed has a chance to be a long-term starter.


PICK NO.57. Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri Grade = 5.56

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/kentrell-brothers?id=2555168

Undersized for an inside 'backer (a potential factor in the lack of interest by major programs in his home state of Oklahoma),

Brothers recognizes plays quickly, works his way through traffic, and flows down the line very effectively as a run-stopper.

His junior year was impressive (122 total tackles as a second-team All-SEC pick in 2014), but leading the nation in tackles per game (12.7, 152 total), making more plays in the backfield (12 tackles for loss) and proving himself able to make plays against the pass (two interceptions) and ....

on special teams (three blocked kicks) made him an easy second-team All-American pick by the Associated Press and USA Today for 2015.



Pick NO. 88 Joe Schobert, OLB, Wisconsin Grade = 5.37

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joe-schobert?id=2555166

Wisconsin has a storied walk-on tradition, producing NFL players like J.J. Watt and Jim Leonhard; Schobert hopes to be the next non-scholarship signee to jump to the NFL. He nearly began his career at North Dakota as a walk-on, but the Badger coaches wised up to offer him a spot on the team. Schobert's role grew each season, from reserve as a true freshman to key reserve (24 tackles, one start) in 2013 to consensus honorable mention All-Big Ten pick (13.5 tackles for loss) in his junior year.

His draft stock rose to new heights in 2015, as he was named second-team All-American by USA Today and the Associated Press, as well as the Big Ten Linebacker of the Year and first-team All-Conference.

He finished among the nations leaders in sacks (9.5) and tackles for loss (19.5), displaying the strength and motor to earn a spot in the NFL


PICK NO. 125. Tyler Johnstone, OT, Oregon Grade = 4.85

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-johnstone?id=2555207

Johnstone suffered a knee injury in Oregon's 2013 Alamo Bowl win over Texas. He and his doctors thought an offseason of rehabbing would heal it; unfortunately, his ACL didn't agree. But after sitting out the 2014 season, Johnstone proved to be back at full strength in his senior campaign, starting every game and earning first-team All-Pac-12 honors.

Using his time off last year to add bulk might pay off in the end, as now he has strength to fend off bull rushers as well as the athleticism to handle good pass rushers on the edge.


PICK NO.131. (compensatory selection): Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota Grade = 5.42

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/eric-murray?id=2555173

Murray's size, durability (started 39 straight games) and physical nature should land him near the top of NFL teams' cornerback wish list.

The 2014 second-team and 2015 third-team All-Big Ten selection's experience in press man coverage is extensive, and his ball skills are good enough to make plays (two interceptions, 24 pass break-ups) when given the opportunity.

He stepped up his play as a senior, making more plays behind the line (four tackles for loss) and lining up ball carriers for the big hit, forcing three fumbles.

He's also a special-teams stalwart who blocked two punts in 2014, which will only increase his impact as a rookie on Sundays.


PICK NO.137. (compensatory selection): Matthew Ioannidis, DE, Temple Grade = 5.57

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/matthew-ioannidis?id=2555240

Ioannidis (eye-an-NYE-dis) has been a valuable performer from the Owls since halfway through his freshman year, when the team took off his redshirt.

Whether lined up outside or inside, his power and hustle impact nearly every play.

The 2014 second-team All-American Athletic Conference pick (11 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks) and 2015 first-team All-Conference pick in 2015 (11.5 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, five pass breakups) has added bulk to his frame every season.



PICK NO. 163. Joe Dahl, OG, Washington Grade = 5.52

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/joe-dahl?id=2555136

After spending one year at the University of Montana and another sitting out as a transfer student, Dahl stepped into the starting lineup for the Cougars and hasn't left.

He was the teams left guard for the 2013 regular season before moving out to left tackle for the bowl game - his home for the past two seasons.

Its no surprise head coach/offensive mad genius Mike Leach can pass 50 times a game with minimal pressure given Dahl's ability to lock down the quarterbacks blind side with good lateral movement and a solid anchor.

Despite earning first-team All-Pac-12 and USA Today second-team All-American accolades at left tackle in 2015, NFL scouts will want Dahl moved inside at the next level due to his average size and length. Either way, he’'ll be a worthy pick as a potential starter.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I've been looking at and analyzing NFL.COM's Chad Reuter's Five Round Mock.

I'll post his selections for the Green Bay Packers in this thread:

Chad Reuter

Chad Reuter has covered the NFL draft since 2000. He was hired by NFLDraftScout.com as a senior analyst in 2007, and continued in that role when NFLDraftScout and CBSSports.com formed their partnership for the 2009 draft. He joined NFL Network and NFL.com in December 2011 as a senior researcher, assisting in the production of the East-West Shrine Game, Senior Bowl, Scouting Combine and NFL Draft.


Five-round mock 5.0:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648219/article/fiveround-mock-50-cowboys-pluck-myles-jack-derrick-henry

Does anyone like his Mock for the Packers?

[smuggler]

As long as we get one of Leonte Carroo, Josh Doctson, Michael Thomas, Sterling Shephard, I think we will be really solid at WR. Those guys are the best (feasible) WRs available to us in the draft. Not sold on Fuller at all, myself.

[wist43]

As long as we get one of Leonte Carroo, Josh Doctson, Michael Thomas, Sterling Shephard, I think we will be really solid at WR. Those guys are the best (feasible) WRs available to us in the draft. Not sold on Fuller at all, myself.

When it comes to WR I think you have to look at what we have on the roster now, and with respect to the draft look only at WR's that offer something different than what we have.

We have a stable of WR's that fills the bill, except we have only 1 Flanker, Nelson.

The only one of those prospects you mentioned that offers something different or better than what we have is Doctson. Shepard is a lesser version of Cobb; Carroo is a lesser version of Montgomery; and Thomas is a poor route runner, lacks burst, and has to build up speed... he has size, and good hands, but I'd rather invest a high pick in better player.

[George Cumby]

I was thinking some outside speed to threaten the safeties.......

[wist43]

I was thinking some outside speed to threaten the safeties.......

I'd be okay with Coleman or Doctson in the 1st round... if we miss out on those guys, I like Rashard Higgins further down - despite his terrible 40 time, I think Higgins is a player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd be okay with Coleman or Doctson in the 1st round... if we miss out on those guys, I like Rashard Higgins further down - despite his terrible 40 time, I think Higgins is a player.

I think Higgins is overrated. I didn't like him much watching his film, and then he not only timed poorly in the 40, but tested poorly in almost every category. There are only two WRs out of 55 WRs that I looked at who tested worse than Higgins as an overall athlete in this draft, De'Runnya Wilson and D'haquille Williams. At least, those guys go 224+ lbs--while Higgins is 196 lbs. Only one guy out of 86 that I looked at in the last two drafts tested worse, Jarvis Landry. Landry sort of beat the odds (I say sort of because I don't think he's all that good) with the way he tested.

It's funny you said that if a CB runs 4.7, why bother looking at him. Well, there aren't any CBs that actually ran 4.7+ (except maybe one fringe guy, Jimmy Pruitt), and there aren't many WRs who timed or tested as poorly as Higgins.

[smuggler]

Oh yeah I like Coleman also wist. He'll be gone by 27 though, I think.

[wist43]

I think Higgins is overrated. I didn't like him much watching his film, and then he not only timed poorly in the 40, but tested poorly in almost every category. There are only two WRs out of 55 WRs that I looked at who tested worse than Higgins as an overall athlete in this draft, De'Runnya Wilson and D'haquille Williams. At least, those guys go 224+ lbs--while Higgins is 196 lbs. Only one guy out of 86 that I looked at in the last two drafts tested worse, Jarvis Landry. Landry sort of beat the odds (I say sort of because I don't think he's all that good) with the way he tested.

It's funny you said that if a CB runs 4.7, why bother looking at him. Well, there aren't any CBs that actually ran 4.7+ (except maybe one fringe guy, Jimmy Pruitt), and there aren't many WRs who timed or tested as poorly as Higgins.

I looked at Higgins before the combine - his tape is great. He actually reminds me of Jerry Rice in how he runs his routes, snatches the ball, etc. Rice only ran a 4.6.

Very smooth athlete, good routes, good hands... I think he can play.

[jklowan]

So it does not look like Ranking/Billings/Lee or Decker will be there in the latest polls

who are you thinking out of Floyd/Butler/Spence/Spriggs or Jackson111 all who seem to be there is the latest mocks

[pbmax]

Was Higgins the kid who ran slow and then confirmed the slow time at his pro day recently? I read someone I normally trust (don't remember who) say that now all public draft people and rankings are going to drop him, but teams that liked him still think he will be good and the time was not unexpected.

wist, you have any film of him?

[wist43]

Was Higgins the kid who ran slow and then confirmed the slow time at his pro day recently? I read someone I normally trust (don't remember who) say that now all public draft people and rankings are going to drop him, but teams that liked him still think he will be good and the time was not unexpected.

wist, you have any film of him?

Here's Rang's write up on him:

Higgins led the country with 1,750 receiving yards, 17 touchdowns and an 18.2 yards-per-catch average in 2014. He went for more than 100 yards receiving in nine consecutive games, including against Philadelphia Eagles second-round pick Eric Rowe and the Utah Utes in the Las Vegas Bowl.

After just two seasons with McElwain calling the plays and Grayson delivering strikes, Higgins already has hauled in Colorado State's career record for receiving touchdowns with 23 scores.

STRENGTHS: Good height and length for the position. Light-footed with easy strides and natural body control. Excellent rhythm and depth in his routes and transitions his weight well. Crafty, coordinated footwork at the top of routes and off the line of scrimmage to create spacing. Above average locating ability with terrific sight adjustments to find, track and quickly adjust to the ball. Great sense of surroundings with an innate feel for holes in coverage. Nifty and creative to be a catch-and-go threat. Attacks with his hands and finishes through the process of the catch. Competitive blocker, using his body as a tool. Fearless over the middle and not intimidated by anyone on the field. Humble, but doesn't shy from his "Hollywood" nickname. Highly productive and leaves Colorado State as the school's all-time leader in catches (230), receiving yards (3,520) and touchdowns (31).

WEAKNESSES: Thin-boned with lean muscle tone. Not a powerful runner and won't consistently break tackles. Focused, but too finesse at the catch point. Can be overmatched physically and knocked off his route by some defensive backs. Mediocre top-end speed and lacks multiple gears. Good plant-and-go quickness, but not naturally explosive or a strong leaper. Has cut down the drops, but will have occasional focus lapses. Doesn't have any return experience on special teams.

IN OUR VIEW: Higgins lined up primarily as the "X" receiver in Colorado State's offense and was asked to run a variety of routes, showing the instincts to exploit holes and get uncovered. Higgins isn't a burner or sudden athlete, but he plays with synchronized shake and terrific footwork to plant-and-go without wasted movements in his routes. He is advanced in several areas at the position and might be the best receiver in this class at improvising to find open zones and give his quarterback a clean target. Although is lack of ideal size and speed will ding him on draft boards, Higgins has the production that matches the tape and his strengths translate well to the next level.

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I haven't heard anything about his pro-day. You look at his workout numbers and it makes you go back and look at his film again, then back and forth, lol... He looks great on the field, then you look at his numbers again, and back and forth - will be interesting to see where he goes. CBS still has him as a 2nd-3rd round pick.

The call on Higgins is going to be if a team thinks his short area quickness and burst will be enough to overcome the fact that he doesn't have long speed or extra gears.

I don't think he'll go before the 4th round, but if he's still there at the end of the 4th, or in the 5th??

[pbmax]

Part of that writeup sounds like Abbrederis.

[wist43]

Does anyone like his Mock for the Packers?

Pretty much hate that draft from top to bottom woody, lol...

I like Murray, but I'd pass on everybody else in that draft for other players.

[ThunderDan]

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON OHIO STATE

125: R4P27
DT MALIEK COLLINS NEBRASKA

131: R4P33
RB AARON GREEN TCU

137: R4P39
DT JAVON HARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

163: R5P24
OT JOE HAEG NORTH DAKOTA STATE

200: R6P25
QB JAKE COKER ALABAMA

248: R7P27
OT AVERY YOUNG AUBURN

[Maxie the Taxi]

ThunderDan, which Board in Fanspeak did you use to get these results?

[ThunderDan]

ThunderDan, which Board in Fanspeak did you use to get these results?

I used the Fanspeak board.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I used the Fanspeak board.I've been playing with Fanspeak for a while and the challenge is using a Board that reflects some realism. A couple of them are just plain bizarre. I like the CBS and NFL ones. Fanspeak ain't bad either.

[George Cumby]

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON OHIO STATE

125: R4P27
DT MALIEK COLLINS NEBRASKA

131: R4P33
RB AARON GREEN TCU

137: R4P39
DT JAVON HARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

163: R5P24
OT JOE HAEG NORTH DAKOTA STATE

200: R6P25
QB JAKE COKER ALABAMA

248: R7P27
OT AVERY YOUNG AUBURN

I am a self-professed draft dummy. But I would love this draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

BPA Draft, FANSPEAK Big Board... (I literally picked the top player listed and let the Board choose the Best Player Available for me at any position)

27: R1P27
OT JACK CONKLIN
MICHIGAN STATE

57: R2P26
DT VERNON BUTLER
LOUISIANA TECH

88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER
STANFORD

125: R4P27
WR KENNY LAWLER
CALIFORNIA

131: R4P33
DT JAVON HARGRAVE
SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

137: R4P39
CB BRIEAN BODDY-CALHOUN
MINNESOTA

163: R5P24
WR MALCOLM MITCHELL
GEORGIA

200: R6P25
DT NILE LAWRENCE-STAMPLE
FLORIDA STATE

248: R7P27
QB BRANDON ALLEN
ARKANSAS



BPA Draft, NFL Big Board...

27: R1P27
ILB REGGIE RAGLAND 6.4
ALABAMA

57: R2P26
RB DERRICK HENRY 6.1
ALABAMA

88: R3P25
DT KENNY CLARK 5.9
UCLA

125: R4P27
G DARRELL GREEN 5.5
SAN DIEGO ST.

131: R4P33
DT ADAM GOTSIS 5.5
GEORGIA TECH

137: R4P39
K ROBERTO AGUAYO 5.5
FLORIDA ST.

163: R5P24
QB CODY KESSLER 5.4
USC

200: R6P25
CB BRANDON WILLIAMS 5.3
TEXAS A&M

248: R7P27
WR ROGER LEWIS 5.1
BOWLING GREEN



BPA Draft, DRAFTTEK Big Board...

27: R1P27
QB PAXTON LYNCH
MEMPHIS

57: R2P26
TE HUNTER HENRY
ARKANSAS

88: R3P25
DT CHRIS JONES
MISSISSIPPI ST

125: R4P27
RB PAUL PERKINS
UCLA

131: R4P33
WRF WILHELM BOEHRINGER
GERMANY

137: R4P39
ILB TYLER MATAKEVICH
TEMPLE

163: R5P24
DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY
TEXAS

200: R6P25
TE DAVID MORGAN II
UTSA

248: R7P27
OLB STEPHEN WEATHERLY
VANDERBILT

[Carolina_Packer]

I was listening to Sirius XM NFL Radio's "Moving the Chains" on my commute home today and they did their last fan mock draft where they had a prominent caller from each team's fan base (some of these guys are like minor celebs from all the times they call in). The guy who picked for the Packers chose Reggie Ragland at #27. The very next pick by Kansas City's fan rep was A'Shawn Robinson.

Here is a link to their entire fan draft: https://www.facebook.com/siriusxmnflradio/photos/a.104522559308.88851.100310549308/10154225675234309/?type=3&theater

In the real draft, if Ragland and Billings are gone by #27, I wouldn't be opposed to getting Robinson if he's there.

[jklowan]

27: DT JARRAN REED - ALABAMA
57: OLB DEION JONES - LSU
88: TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
125: R4P27 RB C.J. PROSISE - NOTRE DAME
131: CB ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA
137: DT D.J. READER - CLEMSON
163: G SPENCER DRANGO - BAYLOR
200: DE D.J. PETTWAY - ALABAMA
248: OT PEARCE SLATER - SAN DIEGO STATE

[jklowan]

27: OT TAYLOR DECKER - OHIO STATE
57: OLB DEION JONES - LSU
88: TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
125: DT D.J. READER - CLEMSON
131: OT JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE
137: RB C.J. PROSISE - NOTRE DAME
163: CB ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA
200: OT AVERY YOUNG - AUBURN
248: TE TANNER MCEVOY - WISCONSIN

[Patler]

I have seen several projections of CJ Prosise going to the Packers. He is an interesting player, for several reasons:

- good size at 6'1", 220 or so
- was recruited as a safety and did play there a couple years
- asked to work also at WR and ended up leading the team in yards per catch at 17+ on 26 receptions 2 years ago
- then was asked to work also at RB because of need this year, and quickly moved up the depth chart
- Special Teams Player of the Year for work on coverage teams, he didn't return kicks.

The kid is just a football player, willing to do whatever he is asked to do. Tackles well, good route runner, good hands, willing to run inside. Decent speed. Just plays football and his results are always good. Obviously raw at RB, but has shown a willingness to learn.

Could be an interesting pick.

[mraynrand]

C.J. Precise needs a spell checker. Or a prufereeder.

[Patler]

C.J. Precise needs a spell checker. Or a prufereeder.

Ya, but I'm not a media outlet in the business of publishing written text!! :-)

[Farley Face]

Round Position Pick
1 (27) DT Andrew Billings
2 (57) OT Le'Raven Clark
3 (88) DL Sheldon Day
4 (125) ILB Joe Schobert
4* (131) CB DJ White
4* (137) TE Tyler Higbee
5 (163) FB Glenn Gronkowski
6 (200) WR Ricardo Louis
7 (248) OLB Victor Ochi

[Patler]

Round Position Pick

3 (88) DL Sheldon Day



I wouldn't mind this, if it wasn't for the fact that Daniels is on board for the long term, and they seem to think a lot of Christian Ringo, too. Day will be another from the same mold, undersized high effort guys. If he should fall to them later in the draft I wouldn't mind, but I think there will be better uses for their third round pick.

[Farley Face]

I wouldn't mind this, if it wasn't for the fact that Daniels is on board for the long term, and they seem to think a lot of Christian Ringo, too. Day will be another from the same mold, undersized high effort guys. If he should fall to them later in the draft I wouldn't mind, but I think there will be better uses for their third round pick.

Jordan Howard? I've been trying to find a RB to fit in the third. My assumption is Prosise is gone by then and the UCLA kid is too small to inherit lead back duties if/when we let Lacy walk after this year for a comp pick.

[Patler]

Jordan Howard? I've been trying to find a RB to fit in the third. My assumption is Prosise is gone by then and the UCLA kid is too small to inherit lead back duties if/when we let Lacy walk after this year for a comp pick.

To be honest, as far as who might be available in the third round, I haven't the slightest clue. I don't look into the players that much too have an opinion about who will go where in the draft.

I don't think Lacy is going anywhere, unless his performance is miserable this year. The clouds that hung over him as a draft prospect haven't cleared, even if they have changed a bit. I don't think there will be an outrageous offer out there for him, such that the Packers will let him walk. In fact, I think he comes back as good as ever, and he gets extended this season, both as compensation for being a bargain under his rookie contract and as a reward and incentive for refocusing his career.

[Carolina_Packer]

To be honest, as far as who might be available in the third round, I haven't the slightest clue. I don't look into the players that much too have an opinion about who will go where in the draft.

I don't think Lacy is going anywhere, unless his performance is miserable this year. The clouds that hung over him as a draft prospect haven't cleared, even if they have changed a bit. I don't think there will be an outrageous offer out there for him, such that the Packers will let him walk. In fact, I think he comes back as good as ever, and he gets extended this season, both as compensation for being a bargain under his rookie contract and as a reward and incentive for refocusing his career.\

I agree, Pat. In a walk year, with everything on the line, perhaps even seeing his former AL teammate TRich flame out (OK, he's got one last chance with the Ravens), I think Lacy will be a man on a mission. Starks is a good compliment, and hopefully can find some stickum and hang onto the ball better. I really like John Crockett. He came out of a good FCS school that ran the ball effectively. He showed some promise last year. Does that mean they don't need another back? No. Does it mean they can wait until late in the draft or priority free agency? Perhaps.

[Maxie the Taxi]

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I agree, Pat. In a walk year, with everything on the line, perhaps even seeing his former AL teammate TRich flame out (OK, he's got one last chance with the Ravens), I think Lacy will be a man on a mission. Starks is a good compliment, and hopefully can find some stickum and hang onto the ball better. I really like John Crockett. He came out of a good FCS school that ran the ball effectively. He showed some promise last year. Does that mean they don't need another back? No. Does it mean they can wait until late in the draft or priority free agency? Perhaps.+1

You can kind of tell what TT is thinking when he signed guys like Crockett and Ross Scheuerman. He's looking for a change-of-pace guy who is quick, can run routes and catch the ball with good hands. Crockett may be the guy, but it doesn't hurt to draft a guy late to push him with competition.

[Carolina_Packer]

SB Nation has a cool consolidation of many mock drafts, complete with pie charts showing by percentage which players are predicted to go to each team in the first round. The article said that they will update all the way up to the draft. Looks like most expect Green Bay to choose a DL.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2016/2/15/10899032/mock-nfl-draft-database-2016-tendencies-experts

Interesting, today I saw Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock draft and it has the Packers selecting Javon Hargrave. Hadn't ever seen that one before.

[Bretsky]

I am a self-professed draft dummy. But I would love this draft.

ME TOO

[esoxx]

Because this is the kind of dumb shit I do when I can't sleep...

R1 Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama
R2 Adolphus Washington, DE, Ohio State
R3 Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford
R4 Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
R5 Bronson Kaufusi, OLB, Brigham Young
R6 Bryce Williams, TE, East Carolina
R7 Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas

Drafting three Williamseses, because, why not?

Actually, two of those guys might be well unavailable in the spots I put them. (WR) Mike Williams might have been the #1 receiver taken but he fractured a vertebra in his neck and missed the season. If he checks out medically, he'll be gone by the 4th round. If he doesn't, we won't pick him. (RB) Jonathan Williams had a foot injury and missed time. If he is healthy, he'll get taken before the 7th.

Interesting. Smuggler had Murphy going to GB in 3rd rd.