The 2015-16 'OFF SEASON' NFL Happenings Thread

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I like that M3 looks like a professor of Medieval English Literature at the Local College.

If he has elbow patches, yes. And you know those shoes are loafers.

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From L-R Back Row
---, ---, Ozzie Newsome, Mongo, Ted Thompson, 5' 2" John Schneider, John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan?, Reggie McKenzie

Middle L-R
---, ---, ---, ---, ---, --- ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---

Front L-R
Horse Face McGee, ---, ---, ---, Thomas Dimitroff, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---

[George Cumby]

Fisher is reaching around Fox to tickle Harbaugh.

[Rutnstrut]

PB isn't that Doug Pederson to the right of Pagano?

You just didn't recognize him without a clipboard;)

[pbmax]

I think Lane Kiffin snuck up to the top row next to Arians.

[Rutnstrut]

I've always thought McAdoo looks like the weird uncle everybody has. He always looks kind of disheveled.

[George Cumby]

Del Rio's keeping his distance from Sexy Rexy. Ryan kept commenting on JDR's flip flops and feet poolside yesterday afternoon.

[Guiness]

From L-R Back Row
---, ---, Ozzie Newsome, Mongo, Ted Thompson, 5' 2" John Schneider, John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan?, Reggie McKenzie

Middle L-R
---, ---, ---, ---, ---, --- ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---

Front L-R
Horse Face McGee, ---, ---, ---, Thomas Dimitroff, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---

Hey, I filled in two!

[pbmax]

From L-R Back Row
---, ---, Ozzie Newsome, Mongo, Ted Thompson, 5' 2" John Schneider, John Dorsey, Scot McCloughan?, Reggie McKenzie

Middle L-R
---, ---, ---, ---, ---, --- ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---

Front L-R
Horse Face McGee, ---, Ryan Pace?, ---, Thomas Dimitroff, ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, Doug Whaley

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Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 16m16 minutes ago
Didn't realize until Gus Bradley brought it up that Davon House finished third in passes defensed (27) last season

[Patler]

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 16m16 minutes ago
Didn't realize until Gus Bradley brought it up that Davon House finished third in passes defensed (27) last season

I saw that right after the season ended. So does that mean House had a really good year, or that teams kept on going at him because he was a weak link? :lol:

[Fritz]

Lions have signed a #3 wide receiver and a backup defensive tackle.

Who needs the draft?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000646386/What-to-expect-at-Florida-s-2016-pro-day

The Dallas Cowboys pick up RB Alfred Morris in FA. The Cowboys signed RB Alfred Morris, formerly of the Redskins, to a two-year, $3.5 million contract.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Breaking-down-Alfred-Morris-signing-with-the-Dallas-Cowboys-44412118

Breaking down Alfred Morris signing with the Dallas Cowboys
Jeffrey Kahn - 4 hours ago
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[woodbuck27]

The Cleveland Browns and their Starting QB plans:

On Mrch 20.2016..., Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk reported, "The Browns are making calls to people who know Robert Griffin III (RG3) to find out who may know more about the player and, specifically, his character.":

Also RE: Colin Kaepernick:

The Cleveland Browns 'reportedly' are willing to give up a third-round pick to acquire quarterback Colin Kaepernick but Kaepernick reportedly isn't willing to reduce his $12 million salary far enough to get the deal done.

Robert Griffin III, can be acquired without compensation to any team and far less than $12 million.

The Browns possibly will give Griffin a chance to turn around his career with a franchise that has been trying to turn itself around for more than a decade.

[woodbuck27]

It's been announced on the NFL Network that RG III has signed a two Year 15 M Contract with Cleveland.

In other news:

The Denver Broncos remain in a holding pattern and hopes to attain QB Colin Kaepernick?

http://www.9news.com/sports/rgiii-joins-browns-as-broncos-wait-out-kaepernick/100151161

NOTE:

Cleveland has started 24 quarterbacks since 1999 and the team is expected to take one with the No. 2 overall pick in this year's draft. That rookie — possibly California's Jared Goff or North Dakota State's Carson Wentz.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/3/26/11307610/nick-ferguson-thinks-colin-kaepernick-would-be-the-best-option-for-broncos

Nick Ferguson thinks Colin Kaepernick would be the best option for Denver Broncos

By Tim Lynch  @TimLynch1978 on Mar 26, 2016, 12:00 AM

[pbmax]

Further evidence of the decline of Western Civilization:



"There is no dilemma to be honest with you," Tomlin said at the AFC coaches breakfast at the NFL owners meetings. "We were over 70% sub-package defense last year, which means offenses had three wide receivers on the field and we had five defensive backs over 70% of the time.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/373090061.html

[mraynrand]

^^^^ That reminds me of talking with Capers and Trgovic. But both didn't call nickel a 'sub-package,' they called it base.

[mraynrand]

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/3/26/11307610/nick-ferguson-thinks-colin-kaepernick-would-be-the-best-option-for-broncos

Nick Ferguson thinks Colin Kaepernick would be the best option for Denver Broncos

By Tim Lynch  @TimLynch1978 on Mar 26, 2016, 12:00 AM

I know people were talking about pitchers losing it in the other? thread. If there's an analog in football to that, Kap is it. He couldn't find the strike zone at all last year. For his sake, I hope he was hurt. RGIII is kinda the same way. For long, long suffering Brownie fans, I hope he (re) learns to throw a strike, (and /or they draft Wentz).

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648638/article/niners-to-keep-kaepernick-unless-blown-away-by-offer

Niners to keep Kaepernick unless .... blown away by offer

By Kevin Patra ... Around the NFL writer

Published: March 29, 2016 at 10:12 a.m. ...Updated: March 29, 2016 at 11:09 a.m

" ...NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday night on NFL Network's Total Access that the San Francisco 49ers won't cut the quarterback before his contract becomes fully guaranteed on April 1. Rapoport added that the Niners also won't trade Kaepernick unless they are "blown away" by an offer.

Don't expect a "blown away" type of offer to materialize anytime soon. ..."

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648618/article/veteran-rb-stevan-ridley-to-visit-detroit-lions

Veteran RB Stevan Ridley to visit Detroit Lions

By Kevin Patra ...Around the NFL writer

Published: March 29, 2016 at 07:25 a.m. Updated: March 29, 2016 at 08:27 a.m.

[pbmax]

Colin Kaepernick is being compared to post-AFC Championship Bernie Kosar. That's not a good sign.

http://www.footballperspective.com/colin-kaepernick-and-declining-for-three-straight-seasons/


Kosar is probably the best comparison for Kaepernick, even if stylistically the two were very, very different. Kosar was a very talented quarterback physically, as is Kaepernick. Kosar reached three conference championship games by the age of 26; Kaepernick reached two and the Super Bowl by that age. Kosar’s decline was pretty significant, too: he led the NFL in ANY/A in ’87, was just above-average in ’88 and ’89, and then far below average in ’90. Kaepernick ranked 2nd in ANY/A1 in 2012, was above average in ’13, below average in ’14, and then bad in ’15. Overall, Kosar ranked just 14th out of 22 quarterbacks in ANY/A from ’87 to ’90 despite the dominant first season in that stretch, while Kaepernick ranked 22nd out of 36 from ’12 to ’15.

Kosar was hurt, both a leg injury I think and an elbow problem. CK might be hurt as well. However, I suspect his team, coach and GM are responsible for the last year of his drop. We'll see.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6556/justin-houston

The NFL Network reported this morning that The Chiefs are now concerned that DE Justin Houston may be lost for the 2016 season. If this is the case that would place considerable pressure on a weak Chiefs Secondary.

Justin Houston has 56 Sacks in 5 seasons. He's recovered 4 fumbles.

[Forerunner]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645248/article/top-qbs-through-super-bowl-50-tom-brady-tops-joe-montana

I am not old enough to remember Brett's Superbowl appearances. Do you Rats agree with the top 5?

[Pugger]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645248/article/top-qbs-through-super-bowl-50-tom-brady-tops-joe-montana

I am not old enough to remember Brett's Superbowl appearances. Do you Rats agree with the top 5?

You are making me feel old. :lol:

I don't know if I'd place Brett that high but definitely top 10. Bart isn't getting enough love tbh.

[George Cumby]

Boy oh boy. That is a flawed list. The SB era, IMO, should be parsed further into at least two if not three different sub eras.

It's apples and oranges, Comparing Brady to Starr.

[Joemailman]

7 Patriots fans suing NFL over DeflateGate.


“Plaintiffs have dealt with embarrassment, ridicule and depression due to the rest of the country who is jealous of the Patriots ‘piling on’ and criticizing the Patriots and their fans for being ‘cheaters,‘” the lawsuit reads, according to NESN.

[George Cumby]

7 Patriots fans suing NFL over DeflateGate.

Shit like this. Our society needs an enema in the worst way. A good Alien Invasion or the return of ravening hordes of Smilodons or Terminators or something to rid us of these fucktards.

[Fritz]

Sports has all gotten ridiculous. It's turning into some interactive computer game where everyone thinks it's set on "easy" mode and your team should win the SB every year. And it's done under the macho guise of "I don't accept losing as okay" which is complete bullshit.

[mraynrand]

Apparently they never shipped any of those game systems to Cleveland.

[pbmax]

Apparently they never shipped any of those game systems to Cleveland.

MicroCenter is always sold out, no matter what the Sunday circular says.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2630722-insider-buzz-greg-hardy-upset-after-aldon-smiths-new-contract-with-raiders?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Insider Buzz: Greg Hardy 'Upset' After Aldon Smith's New Contract with Raiders

By Team Stream Now , B/R Video ... Apr 6, 2016

" A source close to Greg Hardy says the currently unemployed defensive end was upset to learn Aldon Smith had received a new contract from the Oakland Raiders, given Smith's similarly checkered past. "

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2630911-aj-tarpley-retires-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

A.J. Tarpley Retires: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction


By Matt Fitzgerald , Featured Columnist

" The only thing comforting about not knowing this play would be the last of my career, is knowing that I never took a second for granted. After months of introspection, I am retiring from football. I suffered the 3rd and 4th concussions of my career this past season and I am walking away from the game I love to preserve my future health. . . . "

Please click on the LINK for th rest

[Joemailman]

Former Saints DE Will Smith shot to death following a traffic accident. http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/10/new-orleans-saints-will-smith-shot-dead

[smuggler]

Higbee's stock just took a hit.

https://twitter.com/zach_greenwell/status/719224107896827905

[pbmax]

Jerry Jones sees only value now.

[Carolina_Packer]

Higbee=Lyerla...self-destruction. Hello priority free agency! Alcohol can make many a man fail the intelligence test. Whatever you do for a living, can you imaging getting drunk and resisting arrest right before your dream job is about to hire you? Wow!

[Guiness]

Higbee=Lyerla...self-destruction. Hello priority free agency! Alcohol can make many a man fail the intelligence test. Whatever you do for a living, can you imaging getting drunk and resisting arrest right before your dream job is about to hire you? Wow!

Wonder if Colt will surface on a football field again? From him Wikipedia page

It was announced on November 5, 2015 that Lyerla had signed with the Arizona Rattlers of the Arena Football League for the 2016 Arena Football League season.[1] On March 11, 2016, Lyerla was traded to the Portland Steel for Jordan Mudge.

Signed in the off-season and traded before he played a game.

[Guiness]

Former Saints DE Will Smith shot to death following a traffic accident. http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/10/new-orleans-saints-will-smith-shot-dead

This story is more interesting than the road rage incident it was first reported as - Smith had just finished having dinner with the (retired) police officer who was part of a group of officers who shot Hayes' (man who killed Smith) father to death in 2005, shortly after Katrina.

[George Cumby]

Whoa. Holy stalking and mistaken identity, Batman!

[Fritz]

Higbee's stock just took a hit.

https://twitter.com/zach_greenwell/status/719224107896827905


Guion, Pennel, Goodison . . . he's Packer People now! His stock just rose in Green Bay!

[mraynrand]

Packer people parroting Pennel partake PEDs.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Packer people parroting Pennel partake PEDs.

Perfectly poetic ponderings presented prophetic pal

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2612736-ryan-clady-to-jets-latest-trade-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Ryan Clady to Jets: Latest Trade Details, Comments and Reaction

By Scott Polacek , Featured Columnist

[woodbuck27]

Former Saints DE Will Smith shot to death following a traffic accident. http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/10/new-orleans-saints-will-smith-shot-dead

Holy CRAP !

[run pMc]

I am no longer a fan of Higbee. Too bad about Smith...yikes.

[Joemailman]

The Smith story, which originally just sounded like road rage, is getting more complicated. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/sport/will-smith-former-new-orleans-saints-player-killed/index.html

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Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran 5m5 minutes ago
The Patriots have released oft-injured defensive lineman Dominique Easley. Easley was a 2014 first round pick. Story to come…

Getting rid of contract to re-sign at a lower number?

Gregg Rosenthal ‏@greggrosenthal 45s45 seconds ago
Patriots have taken chances on oft-injured college guys before. Rarely works out well. Ras-I Dowling, anyone?

Who was it that loved to tell the board that EVERYONE knows you never draft a player with two major injuries in college? :lol:

[pbmax]

Three, count 'em, three Packer draft picks on this list. Plus one UDFA. M3 developed two of them with an assist from M1 on Brooks.


Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar 5m5 minutes ago
RG3 and Foles have been redacted.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf8p6sWUEAAjOkZ.jpg:large

[woodbuck27]

The Smith story, which originally just sounded like road rage, is getting more complicated. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/sport/will-smith-former-new-orleans-saints-player-killed/index.html

I don't see any complication.

A man is dead and his wife wounded by another man who discharged a firearm at them multiple times after a vehicle smash up involving these parties.

It's a cut and dried homicide....and too much else bad.

[Joemailman]

I don't see any complication.

A man is dead and his wife wounded by another man who discharged a firearm at them multiple times after a vehicle smash up involving these parties.

It's a cut and dried homicide....and too much else bad.


It might be that simple. But the shooter is saying he felt threatened by Smith, and Smith did have a loaded gun in his car. No one is disputing there was a homicide. The dispute between the 2 parties is whether it was justifiable.

[Striker]

Rams trade up:



The terms are as follows: Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016) third-round pick (2016), first-round pick (2017), third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), fourth-round pick (2016), sixth-round pick (2016).

[mraynrand]

It might be that simple. But the shooter is saying he felt threatened by Smith, and Smith did have a loaded gun in his car. No one is disputing there was a homicide. The dispute between the 2 parties is whether it was justifiable.

7 in the back, 1 in the chest.

[mraynrand]

Rams trade up:

The Browns just lost their QB. Typical.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Franchise changing opportunity for the Titans. That was a great move by them, assuming they can hit on their draft picks. Could be a Herschel Walker to MN type deal for them.

[Joemailman]

Franchise changing opportunity for the Titans. That was a great move by them, assuming they can hit on their draft picks. Could be a Herschel Walker to MN type deal for them.

And maybe an RGIII type deal for the Rams.

[Joemailman]

7 in the back, 1 in the chest.

I know. I'm guessing he's going to say he believed Smith was going back to his car to grab his gun, so he shot him to prevent it. I wonder if anyone else heard what was said between the two.

[Pugger]

The Browns just lost their QB. Typical.

If the Rams take Wentz then the Browns could take Goff (or vice versa).

[Patler]

Rams trade up:


The terms are as follows: Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016) third-round pick (2016), first-round pick (2017), third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), fourth-round pick (2016), sixth-round pick (2016).

Two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds for the first overall pick a 4th and a 6th?
To express this in terms of actual draft slots:

Rams get #1, #113 and #177 in 2016.
Titans get #15, #43, #45 and #76 in 2016; and a first (est #16) and a third (est. #80) in 2017.

Sounds like it is a good deal for the Titans who think they have their QB. They could package a couple of those picks to move back into the top 10 if there is someone they covet at another position.

[pbmax]

Two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds for the first overall pick a 4th and a 6th?
To express this in terms of actual draft slots:

Rams get #1, #113 and #177 in 2016.
Titans get #15, #43, #45 and #76 in 2016; and a first (est #16) and a third (est. #80) in 2017.

Sounds like it is a good deal for the Titans who think they have their QB. They could package a couple of those picks to move back into the top 10 if there is someone they covet at another position.

Rams paid less than they got for the #2 pick in the RGIII trade.

That trade:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 36m36 minutes ago
In 2012, #Rams traded No. 2 for No. 6, a 2nd and 2 firsts. In 2016, the #Rams traded for No. 1 & change for No. 15, a 1st, 2 2nds, 2 thirds.

[woodbuck27]

It might be that simple. But the shooter is saying he felt threatened by Smith, and Smith did have a loaded gun in his car. No one is disputing there was a homicide. The dispute between the 2 parties is whether it was justifiable.

If Smith does intimidate the shooter is irrelevant here.

Smith was murdered with a gun.

[mraynrand]

If the Rams take Wentz then the Browns could take Goff (or vice versa).

OK. I could be wrong, but it looked like they were set on Wentz. Local radio is talking like it's over and they should trade down. But that's local radio....

[woodbuck27]

Rams trade up:

A draft trade that obviously suits the needs to support both teams needs. The RAMS get the QB they need. The Titans secure a need for value picks and roster depth. The Titans also secure other trade options in the NFL Draft.

Evidently the Titans are going with their current LT. They make a solid move here with value picks in the early rounds for Roster depth. They enhance their future getting the RAMS first round pick in 2017.

The RAMS go on the aggressive and steal possibly the best prospect at QB from the BROWNS.

I like the Titans GM's move here.

[woodbuck27]

Two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds for the first overall pick a 4th and a 6th?
To express this in terms of actual draft slots:

Rams get #1, #113 and #177 in 2016.
Titans get #15, #43, #45 and #76 in 2016; and a first (est #16) and a third (est. #80) in 2017.

Sounds like it is a good deal for the Titans who think they have their QB. They could package a couple of those picks to move back into the top 10 if there is someone they covet at another position.

Yes a solid deal for Tennessee. Good options are now available to that franchise.

[pbmax]

OK. I could be wrong, but it looked like they were set on Wentz. Local radio is talking like it's over and they should trade down. But that's local radio....

Wentz seems to be grading out with higher upside. But he was in a run heavy offense and a good defense in college and has never carried a team with his passing. Not dispositive, but there is a good sized projection going on with him.

Goff has carried a team with his passing but might have a more limited upside physically. Goff might start out in better shape before being overtaken by Wentz.

Problem is that the Rams might need Wentz to start immediately. And be coached by Jeff Fisher.

This is all if, and only Sam Farmer has this so far, that the Rams are really leaning to Wentz.

[Patler]

Rams paid less than they got for the #2 pick in the RGIII trade.

That trade:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 36m36 minutes ago
In 2012, #Rams traded No. 2 for No. 6, a 2nd and 2 firsts. In 2016, the #Rams traded for No. 1 & change for No. 15, a 1st, 2 2nds, 2 thirds.

That ended up being:
'Skins got #2 in 2012
Rams got #6 (which they traded to Dallas for #14 and #45) & #39 in 2012, #22 in 2013 (which they traded to Atlanta along with #227 in2015 for #30, #92 and #198) and #2 in 2014.

I love these multi-faceted deals!

Rams gave up #2 in 2012 and #227 in 2015.
They got back #14, #39 & #45 in 2012; #30, #92 & #198 in 2013 and #2 in 2014.

[George Cumby]

And how'd that work out for those teams?

:-P

[pbmax]

That ended up being:
'Skins got #2 in 2012
Rams got #6 (which they traded to Dallas for #14 and #45) & #39 in 2012, #22 in 2013 (which they traded to Atlanta along with #227 in2015 for #30, #92 and #198) and #2 in 2014.

I love these multi-faceted deals!

Rams gave up #2 in 2012 and #227 in 2015.
They got back #14, #39 & #45 in 2012; #30, #92 & #198 in 2013 and #2 in 2014.

The #2 in 2014 made it even more of a steal.

But this guy thinks the 3 first round picks over 3 years is overshadowing the very high up front cost of this year's deal.

Football Perspective ‏@fbgchase 60m60 minutes ago
The RG3 trade had the "zomg 3 1st round picks" headline but you could argue the Rams paid a steeper price today http://www.footballperspective.com/did-the-rams-give-up-more-to-move-to-1-than-the-rams-received-for-rg3/ …

He loses me a little because in the middle of making an argument about how to simplify the trade for comparison sake (consider the 4th and 6th to be roughly equivalent to a future 3rd) he said people tend to overestimate the cost of a pick occurring in the future. Except, that is basically the entire argument presented for the original point.

[mraynrand]

Wentz seems to be grading out with higher upside. But he was in a run heavy offense and a good defense in college and has never carried a team with his passing. Not dispositive, but there is a good sized projection going on with him.

Goff has carried a team with his passing but might have a more limited upside physically. Goff might start out in better shape before being overtaken by Wentz.

Problem is that the Rams might need Wentz to start immediately. And be coached by Jeff Fisher.

This is all if, and only Sam Farmer has this so far, that the Rams are really leaning to Wentz.

All true, but the Brownies really seemed to be fixating on Wentz and thinking they had him wrapped up. People were really psyched by some of the throws he made for scouts in the showoff season.

Jeff Fisher: I am shocked that the Rams 'braintrust' wanted to blow all these picks for a QB when they have a coach like that running football operations. You really would think this is the kind of move you make to get the franchise QB for an offensive guru you just brought in. Probably would have been better to trade Fisher and some draft picks for an up and coming OC...

[Patler]

The #2 in 2014 made it even more of a steal.

But this guy thinks the 3 first round picks over 3 years is overshadowing the very high up front cost of this year's deal.

Football Perspective ‏@fbgchase 60m60 minutes ago
The RG3 trade had the "zomg 3 1st round picks" headline but you could argue the Rams paid a steeper price today http://www.footballperspective.com/did-the-rams-give-up-more-to-move-to-1-than-the-rams-received-for-rg3/ …

He loses me a little because in the middle of making an argument about how to simplify the trade for comparison sake (consider the 4th and 6th to be roughly equivalent to a future 3rd) he said people tend to overestimate the cost of a pick occurring in the future. Except, that is basically the entire argument presented for the original point.

Kind of nice when the rest of the league decides to give you an Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady or Joe Montana, etc. for nothing more than a regular old pick, isn't it?

[Patler]

The problem I see with these massive trades for a QB in the draft are two fold:

- there is a significant risk the guy fails completely, or is OK but not special. He doesn't carry your team like a Rodgers or Brady can.
- even if he is special, it will be 3 or 4 years generally before he really hits his stride. Any legitimate stars on the team when he was drafted will be starting to reach the second halves of their careers and there are no other 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks in the most recent years to become the dominant players on their teams. For example, If GB had made a similar trade to get Rodgers, they would not have had the picks used for Collins and Hawk. Would they have won a SB in 2010 without Collins or Hawk? Look what happened when they lost Collins and Hawk declined prematurely. We saw the defense deteriorate significantly. They struggled for three years to replace Collins, and strung along with Hawk. The defense suffered. That shows what not having those picks would have caused even in 2010.

How much more successful might have the Packers been if just Collins career hadn't ended when it did? Might he have made a difference in some of the playoff losses?

Even if you get an elite QB, trading so many other opportunities for decent players almost ensures that the QB's supporting cast will be weak when he hits his prime.

[woodbuck27]

The problem I see with these massive trades for a QB in the draft are two fold:

- there is a significant risk the guy fails completely, or is OK but not special. He doesn't carry your team like a Rodgers or Brady can.
- even if he is special, it will be 3 or 4 years generally before he really hits his stride. Any legitimate stars on the team when he was drafted will be starting to reach the second halves of their careers and there are no other 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks in the most recent years to become the dominant players on their teams. For example, If GB had made a similar trade to get Rodgers, they would not have had the picks used for Collins and Hawk. Would they have won a SB in 2010 without Collins or Hawk? Look what happened when they lost Collins and Hawk declined prematurely. We saw the defense deteriorate significantly. They struggled for three years to replace Collins, and strung along with Hawk. The defense suffered. That shows what not having those picks would have caused even in 2010.

How much more successful might have the Packers been if just Collins career hadn't ended when it did? Might he have made a difference in some of the playoff losses?

Even if you get an elite QB, trading so many other opportunities for decent players almost ensures that the QB's supporting cast will be weak when he hits his prime.

Yes. Good post Patler.

[Smidgeon]

The problem I see with these massive trades for a QB in the draft are two fold:

- there is a significant risk the guy fails completely, or is OK but not special. He doesn't carry your team like a Rodgers or Brady can.
- even if he is special, it will be 3 or 4 years generally before he really hits his stride. Any legitimate stars on the team when he was drafted will be starting to reach the second halves of their careers and there are no other 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks in the most recent years to become the dominant players on their teams. For example, If GB had made a similar trade to get Rodgers, they would not have had the picks used for Collins and Hawk. Would they have won a SB in 2010 without Collins or Hawk? Look what happened when they lost Collins and Hawk declined prematurely. We saw the defense deteriorate significantly. They struggled for three years to replace Collins, and strung along with Hawk. The defense suffered. That shows what not having those picks would have caused even in 2010.

How much more successful might have the Packers been if just Collins career hadn't ended when it did? Might he have made a difference in some of the playoff losses?

Even if you get an elite QB, trading so many other opportunities for decent players almost ensures that the QB's supporting cast will be weak when he hits his prime.

Considering Collins was elite, yes.

[George Cumby]

Right.

The secondary was never the same without him. He was a dynamic difference maker who they have yet to replace.

[Striker]

Josh Norman is now available.


The Panthers have rescinded the franchise tag the team placed upon cornerback Josh Norman before the start of free agency.

He now becomes a free agent.

“After a number of conversations with Josh’s agent, we realized that a long-term deal was not attainable,” Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman said. “We thank Josh for all his contributions and truly wish him well.”

This is a stunner. Norman was No. 3 on PFT’s Hot 100 Free Agent List before the player movement period started. He’ll likely draw plenty of interest — and plenty of money — on the open market.

Norman started all 16 games for the first time last season and had a career-best four interceptions. He was a fifth-round pick of the Panthers in 2012.

[Guiness]

Josh Norman is now available.

Just saw this. Pretty incredible, don't think I've ever seen that before, a tag just yanked allowing a player to walk. Waiting for the other shoe to drop, have to think there's a failed test/suspension/commissioner's list event coming up.

He wanted starting QB money, it couldn't be just that demand that caused this, could it?

[call_me_ishmael]

Why not keep him on the franchise deal for a year and try to trade him for something in season? I guess he could be a locker room cancer on a lame duck deal.

[Teamcheez1]

Redskins sign Josh Norman to a $75M contract with $50M guaranteed.

That is the very reason we will beat them this season.

[mraynrand]

Carolina was smart to let him go. He's not that good.

[pbmax]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
The numbers that matter most on Norman deal: $15M signing bonus alone eclipses the $14M franchise tag. He'll make $20M total in '16. Wow

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
Should amount to a 3-year, $51M deal for Josh Norman, with $36.5M fully guar at signing (by '18 he's over 30). That's Revis cheddar, folks.

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
So the Caps have yet again wasted a chance to close out series quickly against inferior opponent. Shocker

[Guiness]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
The numbers that matter most on Norman deal: $15M signing bonus alone eclipses the $14M franchise tag. He'll make $20M total in '16. Wow

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
Should amount to a 3-year, $51M deal for Josh Norman, with $36.5M fully guar at signing (by '18 he's over 30). That's Revis cheddar, folks.

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 2h2 hours ago
So the Caps have yet again wasted a chance to close out series quickly against inferior opponent. Shocker

If I was a 'skins fan, I'd be pulling my hair out over this deal. Remember DeAngelo Hall's stay in Oakland? Might not be that bad, but it will be in the neighbourhood.

[Patler]

Carolina was smart to let him go. He's not that good.

As recently as 2014 he lost the starting spot due to performance. To be fair to him, it might just be from an inexperienced player learning the game, but there is no proof yet that 2015 is anything more than a career year, never to be repeated. He could be sort of a one year wonder. Couple that with the several reports that his personality grates on a lot of teammates, to the point that he can be a distraction in the locker room, and the Redskin's commitment to him looks like a bad idea.

[esoxx]

Will be interesting to watch him resume his battle with Odell Beckham, now twice a year.

[Upnorth]

Will be interesting to watch him resume his battle with Odell Beckham, now twice a year.
I wonder how many times that will be mentioned the week leading up to there first game against each other

[Guiness]

I wonder how many times that will be mentioned the week leading up to there first game against each other

Considering I've already seen it about 10 time between here and news articles announcing the signing, I'm guessing it will be far, far too many.

Maybe not as often as I heard 'Aaron Rodgers hasn't thrown an interception in Lambeau dating back to x, that's y passes without a pick' but close!

[esoxx]

Ya, I'm not interested in the hype lead up either, just watching the match-up.

The league needs more blood fueds.

[BZnDallas]

The problem I see with these massive trades for a QB in the draft are two fold:

- there is a significant risk the guy fails completely, or is OK but not special. He doesn't carry your team like a Rodgers or Brady can.
- even if he is special, it will be 3 or 4 years generally before he really hits his stride. Any legitimate stars on the team when he was drafted will be starting to reach the second halves of their careers and there are no other 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks in the most recent years to become the dominant players on their teams. For example, If GB had made a similar trade to get Rodgers, they would not have had the picks used for Collins and Hawk. Would they have won a SB in 2010 without Collins or Hawk? Look what happened when they lost Collins and Hawk declined prematurely. We saw the defense deteriorate significantly. They struggled for three years to replace Collins, and strung along with Hawk. The defense suffered. That shows what not having those picks would have caused even in 2010.

How much more successful might have the Packers been if just Collins career hadn't ended when it did? Might he have made a difference in some of the playoff losses?

Even if you get an elite QB, trading so many other opportunities for decent players almost ensures that the QB's supporting cast will be weak when he hits his prime.

Nick Collins in place of Burnett picks Kapernuts in the flat and takes it to the house if that playoff game with minutes remaining even unfolds the same. NC's speed probably changes a lot about how we lost to SF those years. I would say that was a very underrated loss in the lore of the GBP.

[Patler]

Nick Collins in place of Burnett picks Kapernuts in the flat and takes it to the house if that playoff game with minutes remaining even unfolds the same. NC's speed probably changes a lot about how we lost to SF those years. I would say that was a very underrated loss in the lore of the GBP.

I have to agree. Collins was just being recognized as among the few who were the very best in the league, the small group of safeties that stood out from the other good ones, and he had elite playing speed to boot. He seemed to have another gear he could access when chasing down a player from a distance.

[mraynrand]

Ya, I'm not interested in the hype lead up either, just watching the match-up.

The league needs more blood fueds.

How about a blood Fuad?

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2014/03/015_dune_theredlist/lead_large.jpg

[Carolina_Packer]

Why not keep him on the franchise deal for a year and try to trade him for something in season? I guess he could be a locker room cancer on a lame duck deal.

Ish, not that it matters now, but apparently Norman wouldn't sign the tender. Obviously, he was trying to leverage his last seasons performance to a big money deal, which he eventually got after being shown the door. I'm sure that took some stones as a GM. They felt like they had enough in their pipeline, plus if they found one Josh Norman, perhaps they can find another. Personally, I want other NFC teams to commit a lot of cap dollars to one player like this. That ties up their cap and weakens their flexibility. They didn't take the bait, though. :-)

[Carolina_Packer]

The Sam Bradford demanding a trade is an interesting development. I just read an interesting article about that: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/25/11502622/sam-bradford-trade-rumors-eagles-nfl-draft

I think Bradford and Condon are overplaying their hand. I recently heard a former NFL player say the only year that the team wasn't trying to replace him (or at least create competition to replace him) was the year he was drafted. That's a funny, if not true statement about the NFL. Why would Bradford think it's any different for him, or that he should be entitled to any kind of security when his career to this point has been either riddled with injury or average to below average QB play? Granted, the situations are somewhat different, but Drew Brees seemed to handle the Chargers bringing in Phillip Rivers better than Bradford is handling his current situation with the Eagles. Granted, Brees was entering the last season of his rookie deal, and Bradford is a "middle-aged" QB, but the point is, go out on the field and prove your worth and let the chips fall where they may. Make it hard for them to play the rookie.

Given Bradford's meh career, somewhat due to injuries, somewhat due to his level of play, I think he's in no position to dictate any terms, and if his agent agrees with Sam's approach, then he better have a landing spot for him where they will take on his big money contract.

[George Cumby]

It's so weird. He signs this huge contract and now wants out?

How millennial.

[pbmax]

Its called leverage. The Eagles are drafting his replacement and they aren't going to keep Bradford around at that price to backup.

Even the backstory the Eagles are putting out there gives Bradford one year as the starter. If he waits, he gets dumped and loses much of the current contract.

He pitches a fit now, when there is no clear alternative, he can restructure that deal OR get a new one. Its all about contract certainty and Bradford's contract is now not certain past one year. Its probably not even assured this year. Not many Top 5 QBs end up not starting for the team that drafts them in Year 1.

Its not millennial, its risk management. The third oldest profession.

[Fritz]

Hell, if he's got one year as a starter, then if he makes it a good one he'll clean up the following year when they trade him.

[esoxx]

Diva

[pbmax]

The Eagles are seeking to punish him by trading him to the Jets. They supposedly had a preliminary discussion.

[Patler]

The Eagles are seeking to punish him by trading him to the Jets. They supposedly had a preliminary discussion.

Kidding? Or honest report?

The Eagles can't seem to figure themselves out at this point.

[pbmax]

Kidding? Or honest report?

The Eagles can't seem to figure themselves out at this point.

Honest report. Jets were said to have contacted the Eagles. All preliminary.

EDIT: Well, you have my apologies. My memory is weakening. It was the Broncos calling.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
#Broncos called the #Eagles on Sam Bradford. It was very preliminary, no compensation was discussed. PHI still not inclined to move him.

[Guiness]

In other QB news, does any player feel less wanted than Kaepernick? Talk about falling faster than a bowling ball rolling off a table.

[Bretsky]

NFL Network reporting the Eagles only want a 4th rounder

SAM BRADFORD.............DUDE MUST HAVE SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL

He was the last QB picked NUMBER ONE before the rookie cap....made a f'ckload of money....then the Eagles give him another shitpile....and he hasn't accomplished

jackshit

[KYPack]

I also loved me some Nick Collins.

On his way to the HOF when prematurely derailed.

His pick in the SB will never be forgotten.

He loved to run with the ball after a pick.

[pbmax]

^ Loved his celebration after it too.

And then they threw the flag.

[esoxx]

I would be shocked if Bradford doesn't end up on the Broncos.

[Bretsky]

me too; and Bradford would be a nice fit on the Broncos....IMO better than Kapernicker.......they'll end up trading a late 4th

[mraynrand]

I would be shocked if Bradford doesn't end up on the Broncos.

good call

[Carolina_Packer]

If Denver couldn't afford CK's cap number, how can they afford Bradford's? The Jets makes way more sense. They can give the money to Bradford instead of Fitzpatrick, and Bradford won't feel like he's looking over his shoulder with Gino Smith as the backup.

[mraynrand]

If Denver couldn't afford CK's cap number, how can they afford Bradford's? The Jets makes way more sense. They can give the money to Bradford instead of Fitzpatrick, and Bradford won't feel like he's looking over his shoulder with Gino Smith as the backup.

every time something sounds good, someone drops the cap on my ass.

If Philly trades him after June 1, they have 5.5 against the cap this year and next. Trade before and it's 11 mil. 12.5 mil if they keep him. So either they keep him or they trade after June 1. Assume team that picks him up would have the 12.5 mil cap figure this year. That is a lot.

[pbmax]

Bradford got $11 mil in bonus and has a $7 mil salary this year. Broncos would only owe the $7 mil. He has a $4 mil roster bonus next year and $13 mil in salary for 2017 the there is no guarantee he will see (cap hit to release for Eagles is $5.5 mil). Bradford wants longer term and more early money and there is only one year that needs to be dealt with by new team.

Kaepernick got paid $12 mil in signing bonus the Broncos don't have to fork over and the contract is year by year. But he does get $11.9 mil in salary in 2016. Broncos don't want a 5 year deal on the books at that pay rate, CK has limited incentive to reduce it.

[mraynrand]

I don't enjoy thinking about the cap

[George Cumby]

In other QB news, does any player feel less wanted than Kaepernick? Talk about falling faster than a bowling ball rolling off a table.

If I cared enough, I would try to dig up the old thread where the naysayers were saying how Kap and his ilk were going to change the face of the NFL forever, blah blah blah. This was during SF's NFCCG run under whats his face. Fast forward a couple of years and the guy is barely employable.

[Patler]

Bradford got $11 mil in bonus and has a $7 mil salary this year. Broncos would only owe the $7 mil. He has a $4 mil roster bonus next year and $13 mil in salary for 2017 the there is no guarantee he will see (cap hit to release for Eagles is $5.5 mil). Bradford wants longer term and more early money and there is only one year that needs to be dealt with by new team.

Kaepernick got paid $12 mil in signing bonus the Broncos don't have to fork over and the contract is year by year. But he does get $11.9 mil in salary in 2016. Broncos don't want a 5 year deal on the books at that pay rate, CK has limited incentive to reduce it.

Several sites report that $4 million of his 2017 salary is fully guaranteed now, and another $4 million in 2017 is guaranteed against injury. This would be consistent with the reports that there was $22 million guaranteed at the time of signing ($11M signing bonus, $7M 2016 salary and $4M 2017 salary). If true, the Broncos would be on the hook for at least $7 million this year and $4 million next year.

Edit- Over the Cap lists the Eagles cap hit to release him pre-June this year at $22M, which is consistent with the 2016 and 2017 salary guarantees above.

[Carolina_Packer]

http://tytribble.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cart-before-horse.jpg

Can anyone please tell me how to get to Howie Roseman's office? I must warn him of our mistake.

[pbmax]

I don't enjoy thinking about the cap

Just you tell that Mr. C_P that you think the cap situation for Bradford and the Broncos isn't insurmountable.

[pbmax]

Several sites report that $4 million of his 2017 salary is fully guaranteed now, and another $4 million in 2017 is guaranteed against injury. This would be consistent with the reports that there was $22 million guaranteed at the time of signing ($11M signing bonus, $7M 2016 salary and $4M 2017 salary). If true, the Broncos would be on the hook for at least $7 million this year and $4 million next year.

Edit- Over the Cap lists the Eagles cap hit to release him pre-June this year at $22M, which is consistent with the 2016 and 2017 salary guarantees above.

Spotrac agrees with those numbers. $11 million of the guarantee has been taken care of. $4 million guaranteed in salary this year is not hard to absorb. That leave the $4 million partially guaranteed roster bonus to deal with which could be made a signing bonus (or kept since its just year 2 money). $8 mil guaranteed to you starter for two years isn't terrible.

The problem is only the cap hit and timing. Not sure there is a way around that other than to wait. He could pay most of it back as he signs a new deal.

[Patler]

Spotrac agrees with those numbers. $11 million of the guarantee has been taken care of. $4 million guaranteed in salary this year is not hard to absorb. That leave the $4 million partially guaranteed roster bonus to deal with which could be made a signing bonus (or kept since its just year 2 money). $8 mil guaranteed to you starter for two years isn't terrible.

The problem is only the cap hit and timing. Not sure there is a way around that other than to wait. He could pay most of it back as he signs a new deal.

You've lost me. My understanding from Over the Cap is this:

$11M signing bonus falls to the Eagles.

$7 M guaranteed salary for 2016 salary falls to whoever has him in 2016, split if he is traded during 2016 season.

$4 M guaranteed for 2017 salary falls to whoever has him in 2017, or to whoever last had him if he is released.

That would make up the $22M fully guaranteed as of today.

Sportrac and Over the Cap differ on the guarantee, and the cap hit to the Eagles if he is cut pre-June. Sportrac has it at $18M, Over the Cap has $22M. So they seem to differ on if anything is guaranteed now for 2017.

[Guiness]

You've lost me. My understanding from Over the Cap is this:

$11M signing bonus falls to the Eagles.

$7 M guaranteed salary for 2016 salary falls to whoever has him in 2016, split if he is traded during 2016 season.

$4 M guaranteed for 2017 salary falls to whoever has him in 2017, or to whoever last had him if he is released.

That would make up the $22M fully guaranteed as of today.

Sportrac and Over the Cap differ on the guarantee, and the cap hit to the Eagles if he is cut pre-June. Sportrac has it at $18M, Over the Cap has $22M. So they seem to differ on if anything is guaranteed now for 2017.

A mess any which way you look at it. This deal looked awful when the signed him to it, and even worse now. WHAT were they thinking? I can't see anyone else paying him that, they had to be bidding against themselves.

[pbmax]

Sportrac and Over the Cap differ on the guarantee, and the cap hit to the Eagles if he is cut pre-June. Sportrac has it at $18M, Over the Cap has $22M. So they seem to differ on if anything is guaranteed now for 2017.

I used wrong figure used for his salary this year (4 rather than 7). But I still think the guaranteed money is easily dealt with in another contract/extension. $11 mil guaranteed is the ante for a starting QB these days. Splitting that between new signing bonus/roster bonus/salary is doable.

The cap hit to the Eagles is a big concern. They have some room, but not that much room. So they need relief because even the lower estimate of the cap hit is too much. I don't know if its possible to get that without waiting (which his new team will not want) or giving the money back.

But have to think Condon has worked out the numbers so its possible. So I think its still easier to get Bradford to a new contract than Kaepernick. Problem with Bradford is the cap hit. So the Broncos are still in play.

[woodbuck27]

The Eagles are seeking to punish him by trading him to the Jets. They supposedly had a preliminary discussion.

Sounds like Favregate.

[Patler]

There would be no problem at all for the Eagles to trade him this year, just a cap hit of $11M, which is less than the cap hit to keep him. They actually gain cap space by trading him.

The acquiring team could have two years for the remaining $25M, their biggest problem would be that it would be skewed heavily toward 2017, so they would need to plan. If they dumped him before next season they would have $7M against 2016 and at least $4M against 2017, if in fact $4M of 2017 is guaranteed already..

[mraynrand]

There would be no problem at all for the Eagles to trade him this year, just a cap hit of $11M, which is less than the cap hit to keep him. They actually gain cap space by trading him.

and I saw after June 1, that 11M would be split over two years. For Philly it really comes down to what they can get for him.

[mraynrand]

Sounds like Favregate.

not even close. Guy hasn't even taken a snap yet for Philly and his replacement isn't even a pro yet.

[woodbuck27]

Honest report. Jets were said to have contacted the Eagles. All preliminary.

EDIT: Well, you have my apologies. My memory is weakening. It was the Broncos calling.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
#Broncos called the #Eagles on Sam Bradford. It was very preliminary, no compensation was discussed. PHI still not inclined to move him.

A good 'no move on that 'Sad Sam'' by the Jets.

Elway is in the doo doo.

After Sanchez and the Broncos Starting Center; John Elway is stepping on the rest of the starting ' O's ' shit.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/9524dbdd907dd676fce6959c9bc7a886/tumblr_nwi37nP7Sa1qz7t0xo1_1280.jpg

That's over the top too much shit now at Mile High Stadium. I can't wait to see what Elway does to steer a course out of it.

[pbmax]

There would be no problem at all for the Eagles to trade him this year, just a cap hit of $11M, which is less than the cap hit to keep him. They actually gain cap space by trading him.


OK. $11mil bonus - $7mil salary -$5.5 pro-rated bonus yields a $1.5 million cap savings. Where does Spotrac get $18 mil of dead money?

[Patler]

dp

[Patler]

OK. $11mil bonus - $7mil salary -$5.5 pro-rated bonus yields a $1.5 million cap savings. Where does Spotrac get $18 mil of dead money?

The $18M hit is if they were to release him this year, pre-June. I assume it is the $11M signing bonus, all of which would be accelerated into 2016, and his 2016 salary of $7M that is guaranteed. They don't seem to recognize the $4M guaranteed for 2017 that Over the Cap includes.

[mraynrand]

That's over the top too much shit now at Mile High Stadium. I can't wait to see what Elway does to steer a course out of it.

He's probably spending more time steering around his new LOMBARDI TROPHY

[pbmax]

The $18M hit is if they were to release him this year, pre-June. I assume it is the $11M signing bonus, all of which would be accelerated into 2016, and his 2016 salary of $7M that is guaranteed. They don't seem to recognize the $4M guaranteed for 2017 that Over the Cap includes.

Yeah, that's the disconnect. I was starting from their number.

So that is one way Condon might be able to facilitate a deal. Rework the Eagles deal to change the guarantees and the cap hit.

[pbmax]

Philadelphia fans are really into long term rebuilding these days.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
Denver does not expect Philadelphia to trade Sam Bradford to Broncos or to any team, per sources. Broncos now mulling other QB options.

[woodbuck27]

Philadelphia fans are really into long term rebuilding these days.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
Denver does not expect Philadelphia to trade Sam Bradford to Broncos or to any team, per sources. Broncos now mulling other QB options.

Maybe they pick a LT?

Laremy Tunsil , Ronnie Stanley or Jack Conklin.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607912-colin-kaepernick-latest-news-rumors-speculation-surrounding-49ers-qbs-future?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Colin Kaepernick: Latest News, Rumors, Speculation Surrounding 49ers QB's Future

By Adam Wells , Featured Columnist

[Patler]

Yeah, that's the disconnect. I was starting from their number.

So that is one way Condon might be able to facilitate a deal. Rework the Eagles deal to change the guarantees and the cap hit.

I don't see why he would have to. It doesn't matter if any of 2017 is guaranteed now or not. In the event of a trade before the season starts, the Eagles are on the hook for only the signing bonus, thereby gaining cap space, and their trade partner would be on the hook for the balance and have two years with Bradford on their roster.
Eagles cap position improves.
Their trade partner gets a moderately priced QB for two years.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2638235-marshawn-lynch-placed-on-seahawks-reserveretired-list?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Marshawn Lynch Placed on Seahawks' Reserve/Retired List

By Scott Polacek , Featured Columnist May 5, 2016

" ...The Seattle Seahawks announced that they placed former running back Marshawn Lynch on the reserve/retired list Thursday, making his retirement more official, per John Boyle of the team's official website.

Lynch has not filled out his retirement papers yet, according to Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. Gregg Bell of the News Tribune reported that the team opted to put him on the list before June 1, thereby choosing to pay all of Lynch's remaining $5 million this coming season. ... "

[woodbuck27]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/marshawn-lynch-seahawks-retirement-list-appreciation-beast-mode-runner-in-passing-era-super-bowls/1dwn9wo8s3irm11vbmwckqrr6h?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl


Ode to 'Beast Mode': Marshawn Lynch was a grounded star in a pass-heavy era

" ..It would be nice to say that Lynch changed the game, and that his imprint will be felt for years after his last carry, and that he’ll be followed by an army of imitators.

But it’s really the opposite — no team is really trying to imitate the way the Seahawks played with Lynch. ... " David Steele

[pbmax]

If Jeff Fisher doesn't permanently doom the Rams, their owner seems willing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/09/stan-kroenkes-memory-may-be-a-little-foggy-on-kurt-warner/


“The kid from Northern Iowa can see (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/06/stan-kroenke-compares-jared-goff-to-kurt-warner-who-he-endorsed/),” said Kroenke, who at a the time a minority owner with the Rams. “He’s got vision. It’s like a really good point guard. Some guys have it, some guys don’t. Whether it’s Arena Football that gave it to him or whatever, but he can see.”

versus


Although Vermeil told Thomas that Vermeil doesn’t recall the conversation, former Rams G.M. Charley Armey was unequivocal.

“The decision to keep Kurt Warner was 100 percent Dick Vermeil,” Armey told Thomas. “Everybody was lobbying for other people, including the next year when Trent Green got hurt. Some guys wanted Jeff Hostetler and some guys wanted Jeff George. Dick Vermeil stuck to his guns.”

Vermeil added that Kroenke was “almost timid” regarding the Rams in those days, perhaps in deference to the late Georgia Frontiere, who became majority owner after her husband, Carroll Rosenbloom, died in 1979.

Thomas also points out that Kroenke had limited opportunities to evaluate Warner in 1998. He missed the offseason program, because he was playing in NFL Europe. Also, Warner threw a total of four passes in the preseason.

“So apparently either Kroenke is a quick study in terms of what little he may have seen on the practice field,” Thomas writes. “Or he was grinding out practice tape or NFL Europe film in his spare time.”

[mraynrand]

Why can't we have a GM/owner who can properly evaluate players without even seeing them play? #TTneedstogo

[Patler]

Melvin Gordon had microfracture surgery in January:

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-von-spakovsky/attorney-general-lynch-looks-prosecuting-climate-change-deniers

[Joemailman]

Melvin Gordon had microfracture surgery in January:

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-von-spakovsky/attorney-general-lynch-looks-prosecuting-climate-change-deniers

Patler, I think you posted the wrong link.

[vince]

Here's one.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15498945/san-diego-chargers-rb-melvin-gordon-expects-ready-training-camp-microfracture-surgery-knee

[Patler]

Patler, I think you posted the wrong link.

Sorry about that!

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-jets-fumble-ryan-fitzpatrick-contract-negotiations-article-1.2630954?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Jets and Ryan Fitzpatrick desperately need to find middle ground with contract

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Monday, May 9, 2016, 9:21 PM

" Jets GM Mike Maccagnan’s decision to pick a Fitz Fight is absurd and could ultimately be the knockout punch to the Jets season "

[pbmax]

In addition to the Rams, you can scratch off the Colts from seriously competing in the NFL for a while. I just realized that not not only is Rob Chudzinski his OC, but Brian Schottenheimer is his QB coach.

Players make the team what it is, so this won't be the Browns, but it will be the Browns-iest version of a good QB ever.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/11/brian-schottenheimer-were-not-changing-the-way-andrew-luck-plays/

[mraynrand]

In addition to the Rams, you can scratch off the Colts from seriously competing in the NFL for a while. I just realized that not not only is Rob Chudzinski his OC, but Brian Schottenheimer is his QB coach.

Players make the team what it is, so this won't be the Browns, but it will be the Browns-iest version of a good QB ever.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/11/brian-schottenheimer-were-not-changing-the-way-andrew-luck-plays/

Of all the Charlie Browns in the world, the Colts are the Charlie Browniest.

[pbmax]

Ouch.

nick pants ‏@nick_pants 3m3 minutes ago
angels trolling st. louis fans right now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiOO2IgUYAEF5RT.jpg:large

[woodbuck27]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/terrible-neck-injury-forces-seahawks-wr-ricardo-lockette-to-retire-231456125.html

Shutdown Corner

Terrible neck injury forces Seahawks WR Ricardo Lockette to retire

By Frank Schwab 13 hours ago

" ...When Seattle Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette fell to the turf in Dallas and didn't move last season, and when he stayed down for a long time afterward, you knew he had just suffered a serious injury.

As it turns out, the hit ended Lockette's career.

Lockette, who will turn 30 on May 21, will announce his retirement on Wednesday, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport said. ...."




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[pbmax]

At the end of it he dropped his water bottle.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2m2 minutes ago
Willie Gault just ran an 11.3-second 100-meter dash. Willie Gault is 55 years old.


https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhSaHR0cDovL25iY3Byb2Zvb3RiYWxsdGFsay 5maWxlcy53b3JkcHJlc3MuY29tLzIwMTYvMDUvNDk4NDQ5NTA2 LWUxNDYzMDYyNzMyODY2LmpwZxT4HhSYEBwUhAYUlAMAABYAEg A&s=fk4gnGxiedFehf5Y_ZiSjDXjxydPj2jBpghEUfEivYY

[pbmax]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 2h2 hours ago
Right now MN seems to have that fire. Green Bay is getting left behind.


THEIR PRESS RELEASE GAME HAS BEEN ON FIRE THIS OFFSEASON!

[mraynrand]

At the end of it he dropped his water bottle.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2m2 minutes ago
Willie Gault just ran an 11.3-second 100-meter dash. Willie Gault is 55 years old.


https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhSaHR0cDovL25iY3Byb2Zvb3RiYWxsdGFsay 5maWxlcy53b3JkcHJlc3MuY29tLzIwMTYvMDUvNDk4NDQ5NTA2 LWUxNDYzMDYyNzMyODY2LmpwZxT4HhSYEBwUhAYUlAMAABYAEg A&s=fk4gnGxiedFehf5Y_ZiSjDXjxydPj2jBpghEUfEivYY


Let's see how he does in a 10K

[woodbuck27]

http://hollywoodsocialtrends.com/espntombradyca2/index.html?c1=t0m223

Sad Day for Patriots Fans: Brady's Suspension Reinstated!

" ...Like many other NFL superstars, Brady was caught off guard when the NFL added performance-enhancing supplements like: T90X and NO2Blast to the NFL's Prohibited Substances list. Offenders would be fined $25,000 and could be suspended for a maximum of 1 game. Judge Katzmann ruled in favor of the NFL and allowed the NFL to reinstate Brady's 4 game suspension due to his violation. ... "

" ...When Brady was asked how he felt about the court ruling, he didn't hesitate to show his frustration as he told reporters , "I'm very upset obviously.. Anyone would be in my situation when suspended 4 games for taking training supplements that carry only a maximum of 1 game suspension... " ... "

[mraynrand]

I combined T90X and P90X and a month later I beat the shit out of 42 people.

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 8m8 minutes ago
Whaley night of draft: "It's nothing that we're really worried about or we wouldn't take him. We've got complete faith in our medical staff"

SHAQ LAWSON OUT FOR 4-6 MONTHS

David J. Chao, MD
‏@ProFootballDoc David J. Chao, MD Retweeted BillsMafia
Typically minimum 4 month recovery.
Definite PUP, hoping for quick recovery to make Week 1, possible to miss games.

REX RYAN!!!

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 20m20 minutes ago
One source said that multiple teams took Lawson off of their draft board because of shoulder concerns. (Lawson said Jaguars flagged him.)

[Cheesehead Craig]

I combined T90X and P90X and a month later I beat the shit out of 42 people.

But how many crunches can you do?

[Patler]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 8m8 minutes ago
Whaley night of draft: "It's nothing that we're really worried about or we wouldn't take him. We've got complete faith in our medical staff"

SHAQ LAWSON OUT FOR 4-6 MONTHS




Added Bills general manager Doug Whaley: “I want to take this opportunity to commend Shaq Lawson and his representatives for putting the team first by having this surgery on his shoulder done now. By doing so, he’s forsaking personal goals to be 100 percent healthy when we will need him most during the regular season. Fans constantly hear us say that we want players with tremendous character who keep team goals ahead of personal ones and Shaq is a great example of this.”

Translation : "Shaq Lawson and his representatives pulled one over on our medical staff. We have forced him to get it taken care of. To our fans, don't hold it against me."

[pbmax]

^ Reporters said he tweaked it during rookie camp. Which I take to mean there is not way he would have made it through camp.

[pbmax]

Translation : "Shaq Lawson and his representatives pulled one over on our medical staff. We have forced him to get it taken care of. To our fans, don't hold it against me."

I wonder if that might mean there is a bonus he will not be getting in near future?

[MadScientist]

I wonder if that might mean there is a bonus he will not be getting in near future?

Generally no, injured players, especially ones who get injured in rookie camp, will get their slot signing bonus. However his contract is highly likely to contain a reduced base salary when on injured reserve (probably PUP as well), which would save the team some money.

[pbmax]

Generally no, injured players, especially ones who get injured in rookie camp, will get their slot signing bonus. However his contract is highly likely to contain a reduced base salary when on injured reserve (probably PUP as well), which would save the team some money.

I was thinking more roster bonus. If they don't fork over the signing bonus, they would be terminating the contract.

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 1m1 minute ago
Latest on #Bills WR Sammy Watkins. Breaks his foot, gets surgery, Bills still hopeful for t-camp. Will be cautious.

BILLS KEEP THIS UP AND CLEVELAND MAY PASS THEM SOON

[mraynrand]

But how many crunches can you do?

:lol: still not up to 4000.

[pbmax]

:lol: still not up to 4000.

You get to 10,000 and I hear you will have mastered it.

Or was that 10,000 hours of crunches?

[George Cumby]

But how many crunches can you do?

Dear God in Heaven, save us from the Devil's Own, the crunch.

[Carolina_Packer]

Dear God in Heaven, save us from the Devil's Own, the crunch.

You sure? I was going to give one to everybody.

http://g.vatgia.vn/gallery_img/13/anr1453973092.jpg

[Upnorth]

You sure? I was going to give one to everybody.

http://g.vatgia.vn/gallery_img/13/anr1453973092.jpg

My waistline can attest to my mastery of these crunches

[George Cumby]

You sure? I was going to give one to everybody.

http://g.vatgia.vn/gallery_img/13/anr1453973092.jpg

Well played.

[pbmax]

Gregg Rosenthal ‏@greggrosenthal 1h1 hour ago
Top of the ’13 Ravens draft not one of Ozzie’s best. Matt Elam might not make team. Arthur Brown running out of chances

[woodbuck27]

I combined T90X and P90X and a month later I beat the shit out of 42 people.

You shouldn't be so violent.

[woodbuck27]

My waistline can attest to my mastery of these crunches

There's a Crunch to build you up.

For a morning exercise I recommend ...'the Snap, Crackle and Pop'.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2640537-nfl-reportedly-to-investigate-ravens-for-using-full-pads-at-rookie-minicamp?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

NFL To Investigate the RAVENS For Using Pads In Rookie MiniCamp

Comment woodbuck27:

Jeeesssshh !

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 4m4 minutes ago
In high school Jalen Ramsey had microfracture surgery on the same knee he just injured again

Your 2016 Jaguars!

[woodbuck27]

Rich Cimini Verified account @RichCimini

" ... Darrelle Revis, who could finish career as highest-paid non-QB in history, has parted ways w/ longtime agents Neil Schwartz + Jon Feinsod. ..."

[Pugger]

When do OTAs start?

[pbmax]

Rich Cimini Verified account @RichCimini

" ... Darrelle Revis, who could finish career as highest-paid non-QB in history, has parted ways w/ longtime agents Neil Schwartz + Jon Feinsod. ..."

Surprising, as they have played his leverage into maximum money so far.

[Joemailman]

When do OTAs start?

May 23-24, May 26, June 1-3 and June 6-9. The mandatory minicamp is scheduled for June 14-16.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2h2 hours ago
The voting for Super Bowl 53 is starting right now. We're covering it life on @nflnetwork

Ian is reporting for his life. If he gets it wrong or is scooped, he gets sent down the Running Man slide by Richard Dawson.

Reuters Sports ‏@ReutersSports 1h1 hour ago
BREAKING: NFL says Super Bowl 53 to be played in Atlanta; Super Bowl 54 in South Florida; Super Bowl 55 in Los Angeles.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
Super Bowl LI (2017) - Planet Hou
Super Bowl LII (2018) - Minn
Super Bowl LIII (2019) - Atl
Super Bowl LIV (2020) - SoFla
Super Bowl LV (2021) - LA

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4h4 hours ago
Interestingly, Tyler Eifert injured ankle that now will have surgery at this year's Pro Bowl. Could cause him to miss opener, per source.

[Zool]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4h4 hours ago
Interestingly, Tyler Eifert injured ankle that now will have surgery at this year's Pro Bowl. Could cause him to miss opener, per source.

His ankle is at the pro bowl?

[ThunderDan]

His ankle is at the pro bowl?

Predicting that he will need surgery during this year's Pro Bowl.

[Fritz]

The way I read that, he will have surgery at the Pro Bowl.

[pbmax]

Its hard to get to the comma from your iPhone keyboard. And no one want to hear Schefter shout "COMMA" to Siri in the office.

[Joemailman]

Broncos' Aqib Talib shot in leg in Dallas early Sunday morning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000666908/article/aqib-talib-hospitalized-with-gunshot-wound-to-leg


The cornerback is in the middle of a six-year, $57 million contract with the defending Super Bowl champion Broncos that he signed back in 2014. This past season was perhaps his finest in the NFL, with three interceptions and two pick-six's on top of 39 tackles. His coverage skills helped propel the best pressure defense in the league.

However, Talib is no stranger to trouble in Texas, including an assault with a deadly weapon case that was later dismissed. He was also the subject of an aggravated assault charge a few years later. The investigation was suspended due to a lack of evidence.

[Rutnstrut]

Broncos' Aqib Talib shot in leg in Dallas early Sunday morning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000666908/article/aqib-talib-hospitalized-with-gunshot-wound-to-leg

Gee that's a shocker, he seems like such an upstanding young man.

[pbmax]

NBC Sports ‏@NBCSports 9h9 hours ago
.@NFL is now prohibiting exposed hoodies from being worn under uniforms. http://tw.nbcsports.com/LJ2D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cke7W5pWkAIpbMI.jpg:large

[Patler]

NBC Sports ‏@NBCSports 9h9 hours ago
.@NFL is now prohibiting exposed hoodies from being worn under uniforms. http://tw.nbcsports.com/LJ2D



The "James Jones Rule"??

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sounds like Von Miller is playing some serious hardball with the Broncos on his new deal. Rumors are he's willing to sit out the season. Denver could go from SB champ to a 6 win team.

[Guiness]

Sounds like Von Miller is playing some serious hardball with the Broncos on his new deal. Rumors are he's willing to sit out the season. Denver could go from SB champ to a 6 win team.

6 might be low, but I doubt they'll see 10. Without Von Miller, you could be right though.

I'm not sure what to make of the Miller thing, he always felt like a flake to me. It seems to me that a contract like he wants will hamstring the team...and he doesn't care. I also wonder when the eventual round of pay cuts teams drop on other players comes around if they look sideways at the big dollar guys.

Something mentioned at PFT I didn't know

Article 10, Section 15(c) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement provides that the Broncos can’t use the exclusive franchise tender on Miller in 2017 if he doesn’t play in 2016.

[yetisnowman]

Can't really blame Miller. He's offended that the Broncos offered him 10+ mil LESS guaranteed money than guys like Olivier Vernon and Justin Houston received.

[ThunderDan]

Can't really blame Miller. He's offended that the Broncos offered him 10+ mil LESS guaranteed money than guys like Olivier Vernon and Justin Houston received.

Yup, and we know that most of the "big" contracts don't make it to the final couple of years. The only thing the players can really do to protect their financial interest is maximize the guaranteed money.

[Pugger]

If Miller sits I have no sympathy for Denver. They went out and bought a SB team by signing a bunch of FAs and now the clock is about to strike midnight. Boo Freaking hoo.

[Guiness]

If Miller sits I have no sympathy for Denver. They went out and bought a SB team by signing a bunch of FAs and now the clock is about to strike midnight. Boo Freaking hoo.

Plenty of teams only wish they could pull off what Denver did. The list of failed 'bunch of FAs' attempts is long. They managed two SB berths, taking home the trophy once. And actually, didn't destroy the team in the process, I don't think they have any more holes to fill than any other team in a usual off-season. Of course, one of the holes is QB, which is the one spot you can't go shopping for.

[Guiness]

Can't really blame Miller. He's offended that the Broncos offered him 10+ mil LESS guaranteed money than guys like Olivier Vernon and Justin Houston received.

That's the regular FUD being spread around. Neither of those guys got $10M more guaranteed at signing.

Miller's offer was $39.8M fully guaranteed, to be paid out over two years.

Vernon got $40M fully guaranteed at signing, to be paid out over the first two years. The rest of the 'guarantee' Vernon got doesn't come into effect until the 3rd day of the league year in 2018.

Houston is a similar story, $32M guaranteed at signing, $35.5M paid out over the first two years. The final $10M of his 3rd year salary doesn't get guaranteed until the 2017. One way he did make out better is that part of his 2017 salary became guaranteed this year.

Miller can choose to be offended all he wants, but Denver placing the exclusive tag on his limited his option more than the other two.

[Bretsky]

If Miller sits I have no sympathy for Denver. They went out and bought a SB team by signing a bunch of FAs and now the clock is about to strike midnight. Boo Freaking hoo.

I agree........on other hand...KUDOS to Elway for buying a SB, and having it work !!!!!!

[Pugger]

I agree........on other hand...KUDOS to Elway for buying a SB, and having it work !!!!!!

Yes, bully for them that they bought a SB. But was the price worth it? We shall see...

[Patler]

Yes, bully for them that they bought a SB. But was the price worth it? We shall see...

Of course it was worth it. The SB is the ultimate prize everyone is shooting for, and they got it. So what if they are down in 2016? When was the last time any team repeated as SB champ?

[ThunderDan]

This is my opinion and my opinion only, winning 1 Super Bowl would not be worth another decade like the 70s. No way no how. Not saying that is what Denver has done or what is going to happen to them.

Yeah, we beat Chicago once this year is not the yardstick a franchise should have but that was all I remember wanting growing up and rooting for the Pack.

[Patler]

This is my opinion and my opinion only, winning 1 Super Bowl would not be worth another decade like the 70s. No way no how. Not saying that is what Denver has done or what is going to happen to them.

Yeah, we beat Chicago once this year is not the yardstick a franchise should have but that was all I remember wanting growing up and rooting for the Pack.

I agree with that, but there is no real reason for any downturn to last that long. It only takes about four years to completely turnover an NFL roster, and you can effectively turnover much of it in just a few years. We'll see how Denver handles that part of it.

[Guiness]

I agree with that, but there is no real reason for any downturn to last that long. It only takes about four years to completely turnover an NFL roster, and you can effectively turnover much of it in just a few years. We'll see how Denver handles that part of it.

Agreed. The 70's Packers (which I thankfully was blissfully unaware of) were the result of continued fuck-ups, and fuck-ups cleaning up the initial fuck-ups, of near Cleveland Brown's proportions.

The bigger issue is taking that shot, and missing, which is a much more frequent occurence...ask the Eagle's 'Dream Team'about that, and there are many more examples, many coming out of Washington and Dallas. I think Elway was more lucky than good, and had a few key pieces fall his way.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 11h11 hours ago
#Bears coach John Fox told reporters WR Marquess Wilson re-fractured his foot and will have surgery early next week.

[Patler]

Allegedly, a guy Sanchez knew from his church took him for $7M, Jake Peavy and Roy Oswalt for $30M.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/broncos-qb-mark-sanchez-cheated-out-of-at-least-7-million-by-financial-advisor/

[pbmax]

Andrew Luck signed a new deal. Schefter and RapSheet disagree on whether its a 5 year extension or a new 6 year deal. But here are the particulars:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
More Andrew Luck numbers: $87M in guarantees... $60M fully guaranteed by Mar. of 2017, $81M by 3/18, $87M fully guaranteed by 3/19

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 58m58 minutes ago
#Colts QB Andrew Luck's 5-year extension pays him $75M over the first 3 years, source said. Slightly less over final 2 years.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 21m21 minutes ago
And one of the best parts of the deal for Andrew Luck. Scheduled to be a free agent again at 32. Another big bite of the apple awaits.

DOUBT IT. HE IS ALREADY TAKING AN INCREDIBLE BEATING.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 30m30 minutes ago
Before today, richest guarantees were $65 million given to Eli Manning and Philip Rivers. Colts gave Andrew Luck $87 million in guarantees.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 32m32 minutes ago
Details on Andrew Luck deal:
5-year extension (6-year deal).
Just north of $139 million (a record).
$87 million in guarantees (a record).

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
On his 5-year extension, #Colts QB Andrew Luck is now the highest paid player in the NFL, source said. Puts him over Joe Flacco's $22.1M.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 45m45 minutes ago
For clarity's sake: Andrew Luck signed a new 6-year deal, rather than a 5-year extension to add on to his old deal (1 yr, $16.2M left).

[Cheesehead Craig]

With Luck's deal, we'll never be able to afford to keep Rodgers in 2 years, especially if he goes back to MVP form. It just may make more financial sense to trade him.

[Zool]

Anyone else feel like Luck has already plateaued as a QB?

[Guiness]

Anyone else feel like Luck has already plateaued as a QB?

Yes. Not so much that the talent isn't there, but I think it could be a more of a David Carr/Tim Couch situation, taking too much of a beating early in his career preventing him from fully developing. Luck took 73 sacks in his first two years of his career. Carr took 125 (wtf?) and Couch was sacked 107 times in seasons 1 and 3 (both were injured for part of their second season, go figure).

By comparison, the Colts put a good line in from of Peyton, and he went down less than half what Luck did, 36 times.

[Guiness]

Andrew Luck signed a new deal. Schefter and RapSheet disagree on whether its a 5 year extension or a new 6 year deal. But here are the particulars:



One thing he didn't get that was floated was a %age of the salary cap. Some pundits thought his agents were trying to tie his contract to that.

[Patler]

With Luck's deal, we'll never be able to afford to keep Rodgers in 2 years, especially if he goes back to MVP form. It just may make more financial sense to trade him.

That's what Hundley is for!

[pbmax]

With Luck's deal, we'll never be able to afford to keep Rodgers in 2 years, especially if he goes back to MVP form. It just may make more financial sense to trade him.

As a percentage of the cap, Luck's deal fell short of the fleecing Flacco gave to the Ravens. There is still room to keep Rodgers should they want to.

[Upnorth]

I dont think the Luck contract prices Rodgers out of our range in 2 years. As a percentage of the salary cap at time of signing, Rodgers was higher than Luck. If we increase his current salary to say 25 mil to 28 mil in 2 years that might still be affordable as the league is increasing revenue quite quickly, so we might be spending relatively less on Rodgers than we are now.
I hope Hundley makes this a pointless conversation, but I will believe that when MM and TT tell me. I dont second guess them on starting quarterback talent. I save my second guessing for there evaluation of DL and ILB.

[pbmax]

Jon Ryan sighting. He's an actor now, apparently.

https://twitter.com/gaffiganshow/status/757679597857017856

Jim Gaffigan Show ‏@gaffiganshow
.@mariobatali @kurtbraunohler & #JonRyan all want to play @JimGaffigan. Catch up on #GaffiganShow on DVR/on demand!

[pbmax]

Cowboys off to a heck of a start to camp. Domestic violence report, PEDs and now this:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 45s45 seconds ago
Cowboys' DE Randy Gregory has entered a treatment facility and is not expected to report to training camp this week, per @Edwerderespn.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
Veteran WR Anquan Boldin is signing with the #Lions, source said (as @AdamSchefter reported). #Eagles and #Saints also showed real interest

Oh good. Golden Tate and Bolden on same team.

[Rutnstrut]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
Veteran WR Anquan Boldin is signing with the #Lions, source said (as @AdamSchefter reported). #Eagles and #Saints also showed real interest

Oh good. Golden Tate and Bolden on same team.

Great, now CApers can refuse to have someone cover him on a more regular basis.

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 43m43 minutes ago
Andre Johnson signing with Titans

Poor Andre Johnson. He deserves a better sendoff.

[Pugger]

Great, now CApers can refuse to have someone cover him on a more regular basis.

Boldin ain't what he once was.

[gbgary]

Great, now CApers can refuse to have someone cover him on a more regular basis.

he he

[pbmax]

TurfShowTimes ‏@TurfShowTimes 11m11 minutes ago
#Rams WR Tavon Austin carted off during practice. Various reports coming in to TST.

Stay tuned.

[pbmax]

Charles Johnson is supposedly having a great camp for the Vikes.

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3h3 hours ago
After great 2014 and rough 2015, WR Charles Johnson is off to a strong start in Minnesota

https://t.co/DfJAd47mse

[Rutnstrut]

Boldin ain't what he once was.

That's what the word was when he went to the Niners also. The Packers secondary is the fountain of youth for aging wide receivers.

[Joemailman]

Andy Reid clone starts press conference.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000678645/article/andy-reid-clone-takes-center-stage-at-chiefs-camp?campaign=fb-nf-sf32260531-sf32260531

[Teamcheez1]

This preseason,

Adrian Peterson has a hamstring injury.
Matt Forte has a hamstring injury.
Ezekiel Elliot has a hamstring injury.

Packer disease is spreading.

[Teamcheez1]

Saints poised to sign John Kuhn.

Now every article on the Packers will move from "the Packers have not made a decision to bring in veteran John Kuhn" to "how will the Packers move past John Kuhn no longer being on the roster".

[Rutnstrut]

I hope Kuhn has a great season. Not too great, but great none the less.

[pbmax]

Seth Wickersham, ESPN: Ex Green Beret Hopes to Impove Draft Success Rate (http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17255219/green-beret-brian-decker-thinks-improve-success-rate-nfl-first-round-draft-picks)


For instance, Marcus Mariota and Jimmy Garoppolo had high levels of fluid intelligence but lower levels of relevant experience in a pro-style offense, so they were projected to have a low floor and high ceiling. Guys like Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr were rated as having high floors and low ceilings -- players who could contribute immediately. Only rare prospects with exceptional fluid intelligence and experience -- Andrew Luck, for instance -- were given the highest mark. "It was a completely fresh approach," Lombardi says.

I am impressed by the approach and the guy. But this paragraph is a restating of EVERY scouting report done on those QBs. It reveals nothing new and Lombardi looks like an idiot for praising it, if these are the actual conclusions he was commenting on.

[pbmax]

Free Agency is terrible!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp55TvFWgAAaiYj.jpg

[pbmax]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 7m7 minutes ago View translation
IK Enemkpali waived/injured to make room for Kroy Biermann

ANOTHER VERY REX RYAN IDEA GOES UP IN FLAMES

[pbmax]

Anyone want to bet that the Cardinals improve from last year?

Fitz hurt his MCL, Palmer is older, Arians just got out of hospital for some gastro-intestinal thing and everyone has all the film and offseason to watch.

[pbmax]

Too many people work in the NFL and team front offices:

NFL drops “probable” from injury report, redefines “questionable” and “doubtful” (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/21/nfl-drops-probable-from-injury-report-redefines-questionable-and-doubtful/)


“The ‘Probable’ category was eliminated from the Game Status Report because approximately 95 percent of the players who were listed as ‘Probable’ in prior years did in fact play in the game,” the league explained.

[Joemailman]

Too many people work in the NFL and team front offices:

NFL drops “probable” from injury report, redefines “questionable” and “doubtful” (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/21/nfl-drops-probable-from-injury-report-redefines-questionable-and-doubtful/)

Setting your weekly lineup in fantasy football just got tougher.