Official 2016 Offseason Workouts/OTA/Minicamp Thread

[Joemailman]

Workouts start April 18

OTA's: May 23,24, 26; June 1-3; June 6-9

Mandatory Minicamp: June 14-16

I would imagine Eddie's hopefully still svelte body will be a topic of discussion, as well as Jordy's knee. I think there's been some talk that Dickrod might come in lighter as well. We'll see.

[pbmax]

Pete Dougherty, said he might end up in LeVeon Bell weight territory. Might be fun to watch that unfold.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2016/04/04/oddsmakers-have-reasons-like-packers/82621032/

[Joemailman]

Pete Dougherty, said he might end up in LeVeon Bell weight territory. Might be fun to watch that unfold.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2016/04/04/oddsmakers-have-reasons-like-packers/82621032/

That would be awesome. Bring back the Alabama Eddie.

Lacy vs. Georgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqvHdysqMYs

[Upnorth]

Who is going to be the official packerrats press member attending for those of us who can't?

[George Cumby]

Lacy carried 20 times for 181 yards and two tds that game. Boy, you can see the talent and fire in those highlights. Hope this turn around is for real.

[woodbuck27]

From this article and what the team needs are and what must happen in this draft:

Thompson’s signing of a tight end *Jared Cook"....who can run could prove to be big. His (TT's) failure to at least protect himself at inside linebacker could be big, too. His one must from the draft is finding one who can play in the nickel and dime, and play now.

[pbmax]

More Banjo!!

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 2h2 hours ago
New at #Packers Blog: S Chris Banjo signs his exclusive-rights tender

[pbmax]

Monty Injury Update: Good news, he's able to walk


Montgomery said the surgery repaired a torn ligament and cleaned out and reattached some loose cartilage on the talus, the large bone in the ankle that connects the tibia to the foot.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29301/packers-ty-montgomery-continues-steady-comeback-from-ankle-injury

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgNF5JBWsAAl4rd.jpg:large

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 7h7 hours ago
More photographic evidence that Eddie Lacy looks good after offseason workouts. RT @pwhitt: RT @UASignGirl:

Does he look a little too small?

[pbmax]

Barclay yes, Kuhn still wait and see.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 6m6 minutes ago
New from JS: Packers will bring back Barclay, no decision yet on Kuhn http://ift.tt/1MBSJlE #Packers

[pbmax]

Jersey Al - GBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 4m4 minutes ago
At @CheeseheadTV: Jordy Nelson Tells Reporters He Will Do Everything At Offseason Workouts http://bit.ly/1Vyahm6 #Packers

BECAUSE HE IS A RETURNING HERO

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 14m14 minutes ago
Jordy Nelson said he's on track to do everything during first part of offseason program. Still discussing OTAs

OK, SO HE IS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO WALK TO A MEETING

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 14s14 seconds ago
#Packers WR Jordy Nelson has begun running routes as part of his rehab but said the process "will be a progression."

HEALTHY ENOUGH TO RUN A 1/2 SPEED ROUTE TO THE MEETING

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 17m17 minutes ago
Daniels on B.J. Raji's decision to step away: "It was awesome to get a chance to play with him, and I just made sure I let him know that."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 23m23 minutes ago
Mike Daniels on #Packers personnel: "A lot of our guys that are backups could be starters other places — I’d say just about all of them."

HE'S BEEN READING WIST

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 27m27 minutes ago
Daniels is very excited for the return of #Packers LB Sam Barrington. "He has the same mentality as me. He’s coming to start a riot."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 32m32 minutes ago
Daniels said he's very comfortable with Letroy Guion taking over NT for B.J. Raji. "You can’t win a Super Bowl with nice guys on defense."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 32m32 minutes ago
Daniels said he likes Guion's propensity to "poke the bear" and go after an opponent who is known as a tough guy. "I love that about him."

[Cheesehead Craig]

Nope. Eddie is looking great and I'd much rather have this version of him than the slow slug of last year. Just because he weighs less, doesn't mean he isn't a powerful runner.

[Joemailman]

Nope. Eddie is looking great and I'd much rather have this version of him than the slow slug of last year. Just because he weighs less, doesn't mean he isn't a powerful runner.

Correct. He was relatively easy to tackle last year because he wasn't hitting defenders with any speed. A 225 pound Lacy would be a beast.

[QBME]

Correct. He was relatively easy to tackle last year because he wasn't hitting defenders with any speed. A 225 pound Lacy would be a beast.

IMHO, bingo & bingo. Remember, he had a toe procedure (that knocked him down a spot or three in the draft) that needs to be recognized. Lighter load to carry. Contract year, lightened up, reinvigorated....all good.

[Fritz]

He actually had a burst on a couple of those runs.

[George Cumby]

But not the conditioning to finish.....

[pbmax]

But not the conditioning to finish.....

Good point. I could have lived with Fat Eddie if he had been able to bounce into the end zone versus Arizona on the long run.

[Fritz]

He was still trying to catch his breath a week later.

[George Cumby]

nice

[gbgary]

Jersey Al - GBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 4m4 minutes ago
At @CheeseheadTV: Jordy Nelson Tells Reporters He Will Do Everything At Offseason Workouts http://bit.ly/1Vyahm6 #Packers

BECAUSE HE IS A RETURNING HERO

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 14m14 minutes ago
Jordy Nelson said he's on track to do everything during first part of offseason program. Still discussing OTAs

OK, SO HE IS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO WALK TO A MEETING

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 14s14 seconds ago
#Packers WR Jordy Nelson has begun running routes as part of his rehab but said the process "will be a progression."

HEALTHY ENOUGH TO RUN A 1/2 SPEED ROUTE TO THE MEETING

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 17m17 minutes ago
Daniels on B.J. Raji's decision to step away: "It was awesome to get a chance to play with him, and I just made sure I let him know that."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 23m23 minutes ago
Mike Daniels on #Packers personnel: "A lot of our guys that are backups could be starters other places — I’d say just about all of them."

HE'S BEEN READING WIST

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 27m27 minutes ago
Daniels is very excited for the return of #Packers LB Sam Barrington. "He has the same mentality as me. He’s coming to start a riot."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 32m32 minutes ago
Daniels said he's very comfortable with Letroy Guion taking over NT for B.J. Raji. "You can’t win a Super Bowl with nice guys on defense."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 32m32 minutes ago
Daniels said he likes Guion's propensity to "poke the bear" and go after an opponent who is known as a tough guy. "I love that about him."

love the last 3 quotes!

[wootah]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 27m27 minutes ago
Daniels is very excited for the return of #Packers LB Sam Barrington. "He has the same mentality as me. He’s coming to start a riot."


Barrington backs down to nobody. Not even to a shark.

http://i.imgur.com/pOQuMFM.jpg

[pbmax]

Now that is a nickname.

Shark Barrington.

[mraynrand]

Now that is a nickname.

Shark Barrington.

Barringcuda?

It would be nice to have The Sharknado at ILB.

[Patler]

Barringcuda?

It would be nice to have The Sharknado at ILB.

So, I suppose "Great White" Barrington wouldn't catch on?

[pbmax]

Barringcuda?



http://image.hotrod.com/f/95224565+w660+h495+cr1/1970-plymouth-roadrunner.jpg

[George Cumby]

Aaaaaaaawwwwwwww......

They're holding flippers!

[run pMc]

I suppose it sounds better than "endangered animal killer"

[wootah]

Now that is a nickname.

Shark Barrington.

Maybe he can combine it with a 'cool' move of making a fin with his hand on his helmet to celebrate each tackle?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxYXvrVAAgwqnI.jpg

[mraynrand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiZPD6Quos

[pbmax]

All hope is lost.

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 2h2 hours ago
We have a QB with no connection to his WRs, we have a defense with no recognizable leader, we have a franchise that is mired in mediocrity

[George Cumby]

Wist posting on JS, eh?

[Zool]

Wist posting on JS, eh?

That's a little light-hearted for Wist. Probably RBAloha

[Joemailman]

Wist never blames Rodgers. Sounds more like Rut.

[KYPack]

Wist never blames Rodgers. Sounds more like Rut.

With a twist of Wist.

The downer cocktail.

[pbmax]

OK, we need volunteers!

Who is going to attend the camps to fire up the over-reaction machine?

OTAs are open May 24, June 2 and 6th. Mini-camp is open June 14-16.


Green Bay - Fans will get six chances to see the Green Bay Packers practice during their off-season workout program, including a three-day minicamp June 14-16.

There will be three OTA practices (organized team activities) open to the public at Nitschke Field:

Tuesday, May 24
Thursday, June 2
Monday, June 6

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/377849381.html

[Joemailman]

June 4 is a possibility for me.

[Carolina_Packer]

With a twist of Wist.

The downer cocktail.

LOL. I almost did a Danny Thomas-esque spit take with the coffee I was drinking.

[pbmax]

June 4 is a possibility for me.

You'll either be lonely or arrested on the fourth.

[Joemailman]

You'll either be lonely or arrested on the fourth.

6th

[pbmax]

Rookie minicamp is on the field today after everyone arrived Wednesday in Green Bay.

[mraynrand]

You'll either be lonely or arrested on the fourth.

why does this remind me of Harlan?

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 8h8 hours ago
Two impressive routes by 5th-round pick Trevor Davis. Beat Robertson Daniel deep with speed, followed with nice snag on comeback. #Packers

Gonna need a Fan Club by Monday.

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 9h9 hours ago
This is an "orientation," McCarthy says. A lot to learn so they're ready to join the vets on Monday.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 9h9 hours ago
Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson talked to team, too, about their experiences.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 9h9 hours ago
MM on tryout guys: Confirm belief in them as prospects, "Hopefully they jump out and show more." Try to create best 90-man roster possible.

HAVING TWO OTHER FORMER PROS ABOVE YOUR HEAD COACH IS PRETTY COOL

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 10h10 hours ago
No. 1 OL. Sprigs at LT Derrick Matthews LG, C Rotheram, Kowalski at RG and Murphy at RT.

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 12h12 hours ago
Stupid things to write about on May 6: The #Packers have signed Dean Lowry and Trevor Davis (at least).

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 11h11 hours ago
Add Blake Martinez to the list of players who will be signed for #Packers.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 9h9 hours ago
Kyle Murphy has signed with #Packers too.

[Joemailman]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 10h10 hours ago
No. 1 OL. Sprigs at LT Derrick Matthews LG, C Rotheram, Kowalski at RG and Murphy at RT.

Subject to change.

[Joemailman]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 8h8 hours ago
Two impressive routes by 5th-round pick Trevor Davis. Beat Robertson Daniel deep with speed, followed with nice snag on comeback. #Packers

Gonna need a Fan Club by Monday.

Early favorite for Fuckdoggle.

[pbmax]

Early favorite for Fuckdoggle.


Fifth-round wide receiver Trevor Davis: The only skill position player in the Packers draft, Davis was a workout warrior at the combine. He’s very slight at 6-1 and 190 pounds, but he showed Friday that has excellent hands and his 4.39 speed is no mirage. A much better test for Davis will come when the pads go on. Only then will we know if he plays as fast as he times and if he’s strong enough or quick enough to get off the line of scrimmage against press coverage.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-initial-impressions-as-packers-rookies-open-minicamp/article_58d701e1-6774-5223-ae63-ffc7de5cb6eb.html

[Pugger]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 8h8 hours ago
Two impressive routes by 5th-round pick Trevor Davis. Beat Robertson Daniel deep with speed, followed with nice snag on comeback. #Packers

Gonna need a Fan Club by Monday.

It will be interesting to see how Davis looks going up against the veterans later this month.

[vince]

Packers released Josh Boyd today. (http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29985/packers-add-five-release-veteran-defensive-tackle-josh-boyd)

[Joemailman]

Packers released Josh Boyd today. (http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29985/packers-add-five-release-veteran-defensive-tackle-josh-boyd)

That's a bit of a surprise. I assume it's injury related. Maybe one more reason why TT didn't trade down with a guy like Clark available.

[KYPack]

Packers released Josh Boyd today. (http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29985/packers-add-five-release-veteran-defensive-tackle-josh-boyd)

I thought he was getting better.

Sort of.

[Patler]

Packers released Josh Boyd today. (http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29985/packers-add-five-release-veteran-defensive-tackle-josh-boyd)

The NT they signed as an undrafted FA was wanted by several teams, per some reports. Maybe they see him as ahead of Boyd, too.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3h3 hours ago
#Packers release:
DT Josh Boyd
DT William Campbell
TE David Grinnage
WR Dennis Parks
T Jeremy Vujnovich

Had enough of Vujnovich too apparently.

[Patler]

They released a couple others today, too:


The Packers also released practice-squad offensive tackle Jeremy Vujnovich, as well as undrafted rookies DT William Campbell, TE David Grinnage and WR Dennis Parks.

Room now for Neal, Kuhn or Quarless?

[Guiness]

That's a bit of a surprise. I assume it's injury related. Maybe one more reason why TT didn't trade down with a guy like Clark available.

Yup, there was an injury designation with the release.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 39m39 minutes ago
New from JS: P90X creator Tony Horton opens up about working with Eddie Lacy http://ift.tt/1sOAVeD #Packers

http://media.jrn.com/images/packers_ota1_052416.jpg

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/380687851.html

Michael Cohen/JSO

Green Bay — The following is a summary of coach Mike McCarthy's post-practice press conference following Tuesday's OTA session:

(On his first impression) We looked like a team that took the field for the second time. I think the positives of our football team – our conditioning, our strength level – reflect where we thought we’d be after five weeks of the off-season program.

(On Eddie Lacy’s shape) Eddie is like a lot of our team right now. We’ve all got a lot of work to do. He’s been here the whole time.

(On Jordy Nelson) He’s going very well. He’s right on schedule, I would say, and he’s sticking to the plan. I think you have to be smart in these times and just go about it the right way. We’re focused on more individual work with Jordy Nelson. We’re not going to put him in the group and team environment right now.

(On Nick Perry) If you think about it, this is his first time to go through the off-season program without an injury. … Nick so far has had an excellent off-season. He’s been here the whole time, even during the time off.

(On Davante Adams) I think Davante is a very steady personality. It isn’t like he’s going to walk in the building banging drums any time. But I think he’s a lot stronger; he looks stronger this year than the past. He’s healthy. We’ve talked about this a bunch throughout the season. I think he demonstrated that on the catch today. He can go up and high-point the football.

(On Datone Jones playing OLB) Datone Jones playing the elephant, I think the position really reflects the way you’ve got to use him. Flexibility, the ability to play a 5-, 6-, 7-, 9-technique. … I think he’s kind of found his niche here. I think this is the right position for him.

(On Julius Peppers) Julius Peppers is ageless. I agree with that. You see him run the 220s and do some of the conditioning stuff, he runs with the DBs. He’s such an impressive athlete the way he keeps himself in great shape.

[pbmax]

Jared Cook: http://blog.packers.com/2016/05/24/packers-te-jared-cook-making-strong-first-impression/?%3Fcampaign%3D=sf26859115+sf26859115


“Jared looks good,” Head Coach Mike McCarthy said after practice. “He’s a big target, very athletic. He’s been an excellent addition. He’s been everything we thought he would be. He looks to get more comfortable each time we line up.”

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 3h3 hours ago
McCarthy: I think Ha Ha Clinton Dix is as fine a safety as you'll find in the NFL. Morgan Burnett too. Excited about our secondary

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 3h3 hours ago
McCarthy on if he's happy with where Eddie Lacy is at: "Yeah, so far so good."

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 3h3 hours ago
Great leaping catch by Davante Adams over LaDarius Gunter. Deep ball from Aaron Rodgers. File that under things Packers hope to see in 2016.

HE BEAT THE OCTOPUS. PRO BOWL.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 4h4 hours ago
Clay Matthews and Datone Jones both worked with the OLBs today. Looks like the position changes are real. #Packers

[Joemailman]

lacy definitely look thinner in the front shot. Harder to tell with the back shot.

http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/a92e85df-987f-4fbe-b0b5-b8c0b434935b.jpghttp://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/577824d4-d0b7-4e80-bba8-5a572a714353.jpg

[pbmax]

I think he is literally less wide. Lost it on his hips. But who knows, all the photos look different.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1h1 hour ago
New from JS: More than a dozen players miss practice for the Packers http://ift.tt/1TVrFuI #Packers

WR Devonte Robinson *
CB Quinten Rollins *
CB Sam Shields ^
CB Randall Jette *
LB Joe Thomas *
OLB Lerentee McCray *
LB Sam Barrington *
C Corey Linsley *
G T.J. Lang *
WR Jordy Nelson *
WR Ty Montgomery *
OT Kyle Murphy (still in school)
DE Dean Lowry (still in school)
NT Kenny Clark (still in school)

* Denotes players who were present but did not participate due to injury
^ Shields was absent Tuesday but practiced Monday and has been involved in the off-season program all spring

[George Cumby]

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 39m39 minutes ago
New from JS: P90X creator Tony Horton opens up about working with Eddie Lacy http://ift.tt/1sOAVeD #Packers



There is some gold in that interview. Horton, whether he knows it or not, gives some real insight into Lacy and what some of his problems were.

[MadScientist]

There is some gold in that interview. Horton, whether he knows it or not, gives some real insight into Lacy and what some of his problems were.

Yep. The line:

He cut way back on the alcohol
Makes me think that booze was a big part of the incident in Detroit that lead to his benching and Harris getting cut.

[Fritz]

lacy definitely look thinner in the front shot. Harder to tell with the back shot.

http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/a92e85df-987f-4fbe-b0b5-b8c0b434935b.jpghttp://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/577824d4-d0b7-4e80-bba8-5a572a714353.jpg

"Do these shorts make me look fat?"

From MM's comments on Lacy, it sounds as if it's possible Eddy's the kind of guy who, when you give him praise, lets up and relaxes too much. Maybe MM realizes he needs to stay on Lacy all the time. MM certainly seems reluctant to dole out much praise to Lacy.

[Bossman641]

Lacy has definitely lost some weight but I was actually expecting him to look a little better. I don't know if the pictures from earlier in the offseason were misleading, or if he has gained a little weight since then. Oh well, I guess all that matters is that he drops another 10-15 by the time the season rolls around.

[Smidgeon]

Lacy looks waaaaaay better than I expected...when you compare him to last year:

http://i.imgur.com/0hVRKpS.jpg

[pbmax]

Nice pic find Smidgeon.

[Smidgeon]

Nice pic find Smidgeon.

Found it on reddit. I thought it worthy of bringing over because it makes Lacy look like an O lineman in the first picture and a CB in the second.

[pbmax]

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/30309/ron-daynes-advice-for-packers-eddie-lacy-heavy-or-light-find-weight-thats-right


Taking part in the Packers’ first open-to-the-public practice during organized team activities Tuesday, Lacy did appear lighter, especially across his midsection, but the difference wasn’t astonishing. A source told ESPN.com’s Rob Demovsky that Lacy’s weight is “in the 240s,” meaning Lacy’s weight likely was north of 260 pounds last season, after which coach Mike McCarthy announced that he “cannot play at the weight he was at” in 2015.

I would believe he weighed 260 last year with the way he could not finish runs. He was 231 at the Combine.

Post further down by Demovsky:


It’s also possible that Lacy has gotten heavier since he returned to Green Bay for the start of the offseason program on April 18, when he showed up about 18 pounds lighter than when he left in January.

[pbmax]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 30m30 minutes ago
The #Packers released Vince Kowalski, who worked with the No. 2 offense at guard and center yesterday

[Carolina_Packer]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 30m30 minutes ago
The #Packers released Vince Kowalski, who worked with the No. 2 offense at guard and center yesterday

His name sounds straight out of Happy Days. Perhaps he's going to go meet with Richie and Fonzie later on at Arnold's.

[Cheesehead Craig]

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/30309/ron-daynes-advice-for-packers-eddie-lacy-heavy-or-light-find-weight-thats-right


Ron Dayne is just chirping on this now? He's as slow on this story as he was hitting holes when he was a RB.

[yetisnowman]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 30m30 minutes ago
The #Packers released Vince Kowalski, who worked with the No. 2 offense at guard and center yesterday

Oh no! Ted's 2nd biggest free agent acquisition didn't even make it to June!

[Carolina_Packer]

Oh no! Ted's 2nd biggest free agent acquisition didn't even make it to June!

I'd rank them as:

1) Jared Cook
2) Larentee McCray

[Pugger]

When did we sign McCray? I must have missed that...

[Patler]

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 30m30 minutes ago
The #Packers released Vince Kowalski, who worked with the No. 2 offense at guard and center yesterday

What does a guy have to do, or not do, to get cut in OTAs? The third day of OTAs? Especially a guy who was with them all through training camp last year?

[pbmax]

What does a guy have to do, or not do, to get cut in OTAs? The third day of OTAs? Especially a guy who was with them all through training camp last year?

Especially when you are in the #2 O line group. Its not like he was receiving no reps.

[Joemailman]

Bad pad level? Sneaking fried chicken to Eddie Lacy?

[George Cumby]

lacy definitely look thinner in the front shot. Harder to tell with the back shot.

http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/a92e85df-987f-4fbe-b0b5-b8c0b434935b.jpghttp://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/577824d4-d0b7-4e80-bba8-5a572a714353.jpg

For a power back, I'm ok with him having extra mass in the glutes and quads.

[George Cumby]

"Do these shorts make me look fat?"

From MM's comments on Lacy, it sounds as if it's possible Eddy's the kind of guy who, when you give him praise, lets up and relaxes too much. Maybe MM realizes he needs to stay on Lacy all the time. MM certainly seems reluctant to dole out much praise to Lacy.

Agreed. Lacy doesn't appear to have the fire in his belly like Marshawn Lynch had. He seems kind of type B, kind of a really gifted slacker.

[Fritz]

McCarthy might want to go all Lombardi on him once in a while.

[denverYooper]

Agreed. Lacy doesn't appear to have the fire in his belly like Marshawn Lynch had. He seems kind of type B, kind of a really gifted slacker.

Marshawn Lynch took a few years to get that fire in his belly. He was widely seen as a character risk and a slacker until his famous playoff run against the Saints.

[pbmax]

Marshawn Lynch took a few years to get that fire in his belly. He was widely seen as a character risk and a slacker until his famous playoff run against the Saints.

And he was a traffic menace.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpP2De1B_xs

[pbmax]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/26/packers-swap-out-reserve-quarterbacks/

Packers release Ryan Williams. Sign North Carolina quarterback Marquise Williams.

Local report said Williams had a brutal camp day this week.

[pbmax]

Adams insisted this week that he in no way got complacent last year because of Rodgers’ kind words -- or because Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy anointed him the “MVP” of the offseason. He also swore he didn’t crumble under the weight of their high hopes for him.

If McCarthy called me the MVP of the offseason, I would assume I was getting cut before the next year. I might hold out until he took it back.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/30357/after-season-he-wasnt-proud-of-green-bay-packers-davante-adams-plans-to-reward-aaron-rodgers-faith

[pbmax]

Yep. The line:

Makes me think that booze was a big part of the incident in Detroit that lead to his benching and Harris getting cut.

Sounds like there was alcohol involved, but doesn't seem to be too problematic.


“I was always the guy at breakfast, lunch and dinner to say, ‘Look, here are your good options and your bad options,’” Horton said. "I just said, ‘Here’s what you need to eat. Instead of a beer, let’s have some Pellegrino.' Fortunately for us, [drinking] never really came up. That wasn’t really an issue. I knew that food was an issue and from being from New Orleans and eating rich foods. But we got right into it.

[pbmax]

Bach's ankle is still rehabbing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post/_/id/30167/nfl-rumor-central-david-bakhtiaris-ankle-needs-regular-attention


"It's hard when something like that changes your ankle," Bakhtiari told Wood. "It's obviously going to be a little bit different, but to let me do everything I want to do, it took me the offseason to get it right."

The three-year starter had five torn ligaments in the ankle at season's end, per Wood, but didn't need offseason surgery. Still, he's spent the past several months rehabbing.

He is apparently full go at OTAs though, so good?

[Patler]

The big question for Lacy, as with anyone trying to change lifelong habits, is whether he can make the change permanent.

[Patler]

Bach's ankle is still rehabbing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post/_/id/30167/nfl-rumor-central-david-bakhtiaris-ankle-needs-regular-attention

He is apparently full go at OTAs though, so good?

In one article he talked about the injury having changed his ankle permanently. He said it will now always require maintenance (whatever that is) and will have to be watched closely and guarded when things don't feel right.

[Patler]

Interesting from the article, regarding Adam's MCL tear in the playoffs:


The lone upside to the injury, which turned out to be a torn medial collateral ligament and lingered into the offseason, was that it forced Adams to focus on his upper body during early offseason workouts, since he couldn’t run.

The result: He appeared visibly thicker in his chest and arms during Tuesday’s practice.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm getting tired of every article where the Packers make a roster move, they mention that John Kuhn would be still be available to sign. Enough!!!!

Cletidus Hunt and Gilbert Brown are still available for that matter, too. Maybe we should sign Greg Hardy.

[Pugger]

I'm getting tired of every article where the Packers make a roster move, they mention that John Kuhn would be still be available to sign. Enough!!!!

Cletidus Hunt and Gilbert Brown are still available for that matter, too. Maybe we should sign Greg Hardy.

You can tell it is the offseason where there isn't much to talk about.

[pbmax]

Matthews will still be on the move. Curious how this plays into using Perry, who will excel versus the run.


Capers won’t commit to playing Matthews exclusively outside, but that’s where he’ll start out.

“We just think that’s his base position,” Capers said. “But that doesn’t mean you might not see him slide and do some other things because we know he can do it and he can handle it mentally. The plans going in are to play him more outside. But as we get into the season, you never say never.”

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-packers-finally-fill-dom-capers-toolbox/article_8b941f18-6a62-5947-b2e7-640dbab35d11.html

[pbmax]

Banjo got married. So we can look forward to ...

more Banjos!

I am my Father ‏@CarlBradford54 6h6 hours ago
Major s/o to my boy @Chris1Banjo for getting married yesterday! May God bless you and your family forever! #OneLove

[Joemailman]

Matthews will still be on the move. Curious how this plays into using Perry, who will excel versus the run.



http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-packers-finally-fill-dom-capers-toolbox/article_8b941f18-6a62-5947-b2e7-640dbab35d11.html

Moving Matthews around makes it harder for teams to gameplan to stop him. Perry was quite effective late last year rushing the passer with Matthews inside. Moving Matthews inside just enables Pack to get one more pass rusher on the field.

[gbgary]

Moving Matthews around makes it harder for teams to gameplan to stop him. Perry was quite effective late last year rushing the passer with Matthews inside. Moving Matthews inside just enables Pack to get one more pass rusher on the field.

this.

[Fritz]

`````In that 2-4 that Wist loves, you could feature Matthews, Perry, Peppers, and Jones (or Elliot) and really keep the other side guessing as to which elephant will be covering the running back.

[wist43]

`````In that 2-4 that Wist loves, you could feature Matthews, Perry, Peppers, and Jones (or Elliot) and really keep the other side guessing as to which elephant will be covering the running back.

The facet of the 2-4 that I hate, is that dunderdummy plays it when the opponent is as likely to run as pass; when they run - we usually get run over and give up huge chunks of yardage on the ground. The opponent will take what you give them - why attempt to pass for 15 yds, when dunderdummy is willing to concede 15 yds on the ground??

If in that either/or situation, dunderdummy plays two fat guys in the middle (the Jumbo) in an attempt to deal with the run - then he is essentially giving up any hope of generating pressure up the middle, the ends/LBs predictably fly upfield, and the QB gets a comfortable pocket.

Add to the fact that he sees nothing wrong with abandoning the middle of the field... it's just mind-numbing stupidity and painful to watch.

Given our personnel, the 3-3 has been the better option for several years now.

[Carolina_Packer]

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

This is an interesting read. I wanted to know what the difference is between the two nickel subs, and this article explains it pretty well. It got me wondering whether the Packers ever run a 3-3-5 formation, as Wist suggests, and if not, why? Is it all about coaching preference, and does that influence how the defensive roster is built? What would it take for the Packers to run the 3-3 vs. the 2-4 nickel?

[wist43]

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

This is an interesting read. I wanted to know what the difference is between the two nickel subs, and this article explains it pretty well. It got me wondering whether the Packers ever run a 3-3-5 formation, as Wist suggests, and if not, why? Is it all about coaching preference, and does that influence how the defensive roster is built? What would it take for the Packers to run the 3-3 vs. the 2-4 nickel?

Nice find, good article...

This is from the article, and it is what I have been saying for the past few years...

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

--------------------------------------------------------------

"The 2-4-5 is ultimately a defense of specialization as the main pass-rushers are going to be the two stand-up edge rushers. The defense deploys them on the edge because that's the easiest way to utilize a pure pass-rusher and they aren't asked to do a great deal other than control the edge and provide pressure. The defensive tackles will tend to specialize in clogging up the interior and helping collapse the pocket while the linebackers are running free as support players.

Without access to the kind of elite pass-rushers that can attack the edge and overcome an offense's best efforts at pass protection, the 2-4-5 is not a superior nickel package. It can also struggle against the run if defensive tackles aren't sturdy or the linebackers are deficient. However, it is the simplest and best way to allow big, fast, and powerful athletes to impact the game and attack the quarterback.

The 3-3-5, or 8-3, is more a defense of versatility and disguise that will require the DL to all be strong at filling interior gaps and ideally decent or good at collapsing the pocket. The linebackers are not specialists but "jacks of all trades" that can be transformed into superior pass-rushers by virtue of the system disguising where they are blitzing from.

Without versatile and intelligent players, the 3-3 is dead in the water, but when those pieces are in place it can pick on offense's weaknesses with greater precision and bring pressure from all angles."

--------------------------------------------------------------

We can assign our players to the responsibilities listed above, but there are variations with how dunderdummy runs things.

Going back to when he ran the "jumbo", Raji and Pickett didn't get any push at all, and as should have been obvious to everyone, our outside rushers would fly upfield and either leave the QB with a comfortable pocket, or massive escape lanes to the sides.

Worse still was dunderdummy's penchant for lining his DT's up over the outside shoulder of the G's, while the 2nd level LB's were pulled out of the middle with coverage responsibilities - the result is "abandoning the middle of the field". Don't know how many times that idiot did that, and we'd get smashed up the middle on the ground for 15-20 yds.

[wist43]

Another point to running either alignment in today's game, is that you need a speed LB in the Ryan Shazier, Telvin Smith, Shaq Thompson, Deon Jones mold.

Ted had plenty of opportunity to snag Smith, a player I was calling for TT to draft... Smith went in the 5th round, pick #144, when Ted took Carl Bradford in the 4th round, pick #121; Khyri Thorton in the 3rd round, pick #85; and TE Richard Rodgers in the 3rd round, pick #98

Thornton has been released and is flopping around the league; Bradford will be lucky to remain on the roster for another year, and has done exactly nothing; and Richard Rodgers is a the poster child for "pedestrian" TE's, and TT was forced to poke himself in the eye and actually sign a FA at the position.

While Telvin Smith is well on his way to being a star.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

TT would have had to move up to get Shazier or Thompson, but he spit on Jones twice in this draft. I don't mind him passing on Jones for Spriggs, but Clark in the 1st round (an Okay player) at the expense missing out on another speed LB is going to hurt us on the field again this year.

If you're going to take a guy like Clark in the 1st, when the position was uber-deep, and he was likely to still be there in the 2nd - and, missing out on Jones?? It doesn't make any sense.

We end up with Martinez in the 4th, but Martinez can't run anywhere near as well as Jones... I like Martinez, he's a smart and instinctive player; but then again so is Jake Ryan - who looked pretty terrible most of the time last year.

TT's vision for the ILB position isn't good at all.

[Carolina_Packer]

Nice find, good article...

This is from the article, and it is what I have been saying for the past few years...

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

--------------------------------------------------------------

"The 2-4-5 is ultimately a defense of specialization as the main pass-rushers are going to be the two stand-up edge rushers. The defense deploys them on the edge because that's the easiest way to utilize a pure pass-rusher and they aren't asked to do a great deal other than control the edge and provide pressure. The defensive tackles will tend to specialize in clogging up the interior and helping collapse the pocket while the linebackers are running free as support players.

Without access to the kind of elite pass-rushers that can attack the edge and overcome an offense's best efforts at pass protection, the 2-4-5 is not a superior nickel package. It can also struggle against the run if defensive tackles aren't sturdy or the linebackers are deficient. However, it is the simplest and best way to allow big, fast, and powerful athletes to impact the game and attack the quarterback.

The 3-3-5, or 8-3, is more a defense of versatility and disguise that will require the DL to all be strong at filling interior gaps and ideally decent or good at collapsing the pocket. The linebackers are not specialists but "jacks of all trades" that can be transformed into superior pass-rushers by virtue of the system disguising where they are blitzing from.

Without versatile and intelligent players, the 3-3 is dead in the water, but when those pieces are in place it can pick on offense's weaknesses with greater precision and bring pressure from all angles."

--------------------------------------------------------------

We can assign our players to the responsibilities listed above, but there are variations with how dunderdummy runs things.

Going back to when he ran the "jumbo", Raji and Pickett didn't get any push at all, and as should have been obvious to everyone, our outside rushers would fly upfield and either leave the QB with a comfortable pocket, or massive escape lanes to the sides.

Worse still was dunderdummy's penchant for lining his DT's up over the outside shoulder of the G's, while the 2nd level LB's were pulled out of the middle with coverage responsibilities - the result is "abandoning the middle of the field". Don't know how many times that idiot did that, and we'd get smashed up the middle on the ground for 15-20 yds.

Is that what was getting them killed in the first half of the Jets game in 2014 when they had to come back from down 18? This article talks about how they were getting killed playing the "Quad" 4-3 alignment and after they switched to 4-3 "Under" with much better results. I also found this article when trying to study what others say about the Packers defense. http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014/9/16/6257153/dom-capers-packers-jets-dom-defensive-adjustment Is that the same thing that made Matt Forte look like Walter Payton in week 1 last year?

[pbmax]

The facet of the 2-4 that I hate, is that dunderdummy plays it when the opponent is as likely to run as pass; when they run - we usually get run over and give up huge chunks of yardage on the ground. The opponent will take what you give them - why attempt to pass for 15 yds, when dunderdummy is willing to concede 15 yds on the ground??

If in that either/or situation, dunderdummy plays two fat guys in the middle (the Jumbo) in an attempt to deal with the run - then he is essentially giving up any hope of generating pressure up the middle, the ends/LBs predictably fly upfield, and the QB gets a comfortable pocket.

Add to the fact that he sees nothing wrong with abandoning the middle of the field... it's just mind-numbing stupidity and painful to watch.

Given our personnel, the 3-3 has been the better option for several years now.

Capers is matching personnel (3 wide) as well as run/pass likelihood. If you play base or run heavy, the offense wants to pass. If you play pass first, their run likelihood goes up (see Forte versus the Packers).

And I disagree about the match for the Packers players in a 3-3. There are few, if any, pass rush options to man the three down positions. Raji, Daniels and Jones would be the likely LOS and Jones has struggled mightily versus the run. Raji has not shown his pass rush regularly in a few years.

You need Matthews/Perry and Peppers on the outside for the pass rush alone. As that is job one, you make do if the offense chooses to run. It worked with Matthews in the middle. We'll see this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Capers is matching personnel (3 wide) as well as run/pass likelihood. If you play base or run heavy, the offense wants to pass. If you play pass first, their run likelihood goes up (see Forte versus the Packers).

And I disagree about the match for the Packers players in a 3-3. There are few, if any, pass rush options to man the three down positions. Raji, Daniels and Jones would be the likely LOS and Jones has struggled mightily versus the run. Raji has not shown his pass rush regularly in a few years.

You need Matthews/Perry and Peppers on the outside for the pass rush alone. As that is job one, you make do if the offense chooses to run. It worked with Matthews in the middle. We'll see this year.

Agreed. It's all about your personnel. The Packers don't have the personnel to run a 3-3 front a lot. Most of the teams that play 3-4 base use a 2-4 front more than a 3-3 front. There are quite a few teams that play a 4-3 base that play 3-3 fronts, but those teams tend to have lighter, pass rushing type DL. 3-4 base teams tend to have more NT types who aren't great pass rushers. In reality, most teams are multiple nowadays. They'll mix in 3-4, 4-3, 3-3, 2-4, 4-2 at various times, but your personnel is going to determine what you play the most.

[Patler]

Lacy, is still "thick", big thighs and butt:

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a34be9d26c708dbb61f81c34fbcf94571685caa7/c=0-50-2000-1554&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2016/06/02/WIGroup/PackersNews/636004750022488533-GPG-ES-Packers-OTA-practice-6.2.1600725.jpg

[pbmax]

^ I actually did not mind him bigger as much as I minded him tiring in the middle of his runs. He would get sprung and then slow down.

It was like a pavement roller moving down the highway and running out of diesel.

[George Cumby]

I like Big Butts, I cannot lie
I like Lacy, thick of thigh
Eddie, Eddie! We cheer,
Drink Pellegrino, not beer!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Jared Cook out the rest of OTAs with "preventative" foot surgery. Should be back by TC

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15929018/jared-cook-rest-green-bay-packers-offseason-program-foot-surgery

[wist43]

Capers is matching personnel (3 wide) as well as run/pass likelihood. If you play base or run heavy, the offense wants to pass. If you play pass first, their run likelihood goes up (see Forte versus the Packers).

And I disagree about the match for the Packers players in a 3-3. There are few, if any, pass rush options to man the three down positions. Raji, Daniels and Jones would be the likely LOS and Jones has struggled mightily versus the run. Raji has not shown his pass rush regularly in a few years.

You need Matthews/Perry and Peppers on the outside for the pass rush alone. As that is job one, you make do if the offense chooses to run. It worked with Matthews in the middle. We'll see this year.


Agreed. It's all about your personnel. The Packers don't have the personnel to run a 3-3 front a lot. Most of the teams that play 3-4 base use a 2-4 front more than a 3-3 front. There are quite a few teams that play a 4-3 base that play 3-3 fronts, but those teams tend to have lighter, pass rushing type DL. 3-4 base teams tend to have more NT types who aren't great pass rushers. In reality, most teams are multiple nowadays. They'll mix in 3-4, 4-3, 3-3, 2-4, 4-2 at various times, but your personnel is going to determine what you play the most.

Yeah right... b/c everyone loved watching AJ Hawk and Brad Jones on the field 24/7 ;)

This year and moving forward though, TT seems to have made a bigger mess of the DL, as there is only 1 DL on the roster (Daniels) that has any business on the field in a pass rush situation.

Datone Jones has pretty much proven himself a bust; they moved Perry to LB, but that doesn't preclude him putting his hand in the dirt; I like Guion, but he's strictly a run defender; Clark won't offer any pass rush...

Hell, we might as well just go with a 1-5 and jungle rush anyone who feels like moving forward at the snap.

I think the front seven is going to take a serious step backward this year. They're going to have no choice but to go with 2 of Barrington, Ryan, or Martinez... Barrington and Ryan can't run; and even though Martinez isn't a blazer either, he might be the best of that bunch. Moving Clay back outside is definitely going to hurt the defense overall.

[Patler]

Jared Cook out the rest of OTAs with "preventative" foot surgery. Should be back by TC

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15929018/jared-cook-rest-green-bay-packers-offseason-program-foot-surgery

Well, so much for Rodgers and Cook working to develop familiarity and timing.

[pbmax]

I love FA.

I was about to post something brilliant, along the lines of

"everyone knows you never recover from these foot problems!!"

but that is simply an overreaction. Let's look at the evidence:

Andrew Toney
Bill Walton
Cedric Benson
Ryan Kalil
Yao Ming

http://www.newswise.com/articles/career-ending-foot-injury-on-the-rise-among-elite-athletes

He's doomed.

[hoosier]

Jared Cook out the rest of OTAs with "preventative" foot surgery. Should be back by TC

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15929018/jared-cook-rest-green-bay-packers-offseason-program-foot-surgery

In other words, he will never play a down for GB. Preventative my posterior.

[Joemailman]

I'm getting tired of every article where the Packers make a roster move, they mention that John Kuhn would be still be available to sign. Enough!!!!

Cletidus Hunt and Gilbert Brown are still available for that matter, too. Maybe we should sign Greg Hardy.

Report Ripkowski could take over if Kuhn doesn't come back!

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ripkowski-could-take-over-at-fullback-if-packers-dont-resign-kuhn-b99736895z1-381734281.html

[Fritz]

Yeah right... b/c everyone loved watching AJ Hawk and Brad Jones on the field 24/7 ;)

This year and moving forward though, TT seems to have made a bigger mess of the DL, as there is only 1 DL on the roster (Daniels) that has any business on the field in a pass rush situation.

Datone Jones has pretty much proven himself a bust; they moved Perry to LB, but that doesn't preclude him putting his hand in the dirt; I like Guion, but he's strictly a run defender; Clark won't offer any pass rush...

Hell, we might as well just go with a 1-5 and jungle rush anyone who feels like moving forward at the snap.

I think the front seven is going to take a serious step backward this year. They're going to have no choice but to go with 2 of Barrington, Ryan, or Martinez... Barrington and Ryan can't run; and even though Martinez isn't a blazer either, he might be the best of that bunch. Moving Clay back outside is definitely going to hurt the defense overall.


We'll see.

[pbmax]

Report Ripkowski could take over if Kuhn doesn't come back!

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ripkowski-could-take-over-at-fullback-if-packers-dont-resign-kuhn-b99736895z1-381734281.html

That's the hard hitting reporting we can expect from the JSO/GBPG/Gannett merger.

[Fritz]

Yeah right... b/c everyone loved watching AJ Hawk and Brad Jones on the field 24/7 ;)

This year and moving forward though, TT seems to have made a bigger mess of the DL, as there is only 1 DL on the roster (Daniels) that has any business on the field in a pass rush situation.

Datone Jones has pretty much proven himself a bust; they moved Perry to LB, but that doesn't preclude him putting his hand in the dirt; I like Guion, but he's strictly a run defender; Clark won't offer any pass rush...

Hell, we might as well just go with a 1-5 and jungle rush anyone who feels like moving forward at the snap.

I think the front seven is going to take a serious step backward this year. They're going to have no choice but to go with 2 of Barrington, Ryan, or Martinez... Barrington and Ryan can't run; and even though Martinez isn't a blazer either, he might be the best of that bunch. Moving Clay back outside is definitely going to hurt the defense overall.


I thought that TJ Lang's commentary in the JSO on today's defensive tackles might help explain both why the Packer guards are not the old-timey maulers, and what today's defensive lineman looks like and what the advantages might be in not having a line filled with slow-moving run-stuffers...

"You see D-tackles in this league lately? (laughs)," Lang said. "You see the evolution of the defensive linemen in this league. You rarely get the 350-pounders anymore.

"Everybody is strong, everybody is fast, everybody is quick, everybody can rush the passer and everybody can stop the run. We don't go against those big space eaters anymore.

"I still feel there's a sense of, when you think about guards, you think about being maulers and run blockers. Maybe that was the case 10, 15, 20 years ago — but you look around the league now and those guys have to be pass blocking. And I think playing guard — it's not what it used to be. I think it's a more important position than many people think."

[pbmax]

McCarthy PC:

Jared Cook: M3 doesn't want to get into it or a timeline, but he and Dr. McKenzie are not worried. So he should be good to go by November :)

Jeff Janis: Doing good things, but needs to continue through fundamentals of position. Graded out very well on ST. Would like to see him make same jump as receiver.

Martinez: very comfortable in sub defense and comfortable with D calls. Bright, quick and instinctive. Very good start.

Offense: offense caught up to defense this week. Install weeks always look brutal, even in camp. In these later stages, more specialized package installations are close to previous installations and that shows up in better practice.

[pbmax]

Wayne Larrivee ‏@waynelarrivee 2h2 hours ago
In these OTAs and yesterday here at mini camp backup QB Brett Hundley is very impressive. Great command,very good and accurate arm.

Boom. Future assured.

[pbmax]

Well, his interview game has really stepped up. If his routes improve at the same amount, he could have a fine season.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-player-feature/article-1/Every-practice-snap-matters-for-Jeff-Janis/6c6e8655-b3bf-405e-a52d-033da4f92015?%3Fcampaign%3D=sf28702253+sf28702253# ixzz4Bb70EeYo

[Striker]

Well, his interview game has really stepped up. If his routes improve at the same amount, he could have a fine season.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-player-feature/article-1/Every-practice-snap-matters-for-Jeff-Janis/6c6e8655-b3bf-405e-a52d-033da4f92015?%3Fcampaign%3D=sf28702253+sf28702253# ixzz4Bb70EeYo

Jeff Janis MVP.

[Patler]

Wayne Larrivee ‏@waynelarrivee 2h2 hours ago
In these OTAs and yesterday here at mini camp backup QB Brett Hundley is very impressive. Great command,very good and accurate arm.

Boom. Future assured.

I wonder what AR will bring in the trade market in the 2019 off season?

[Fritz]

I wonder what AR will bring in the trade market in the 2019 off season?


You mean after the 2017 season. This is Hundley's second year; they'll need to make a decision after two more seasons, I think. I say if he's all that and a bag of doughnuts, Ted should trade AR after 2017, getting a bunch of draft picks, and retiring and turning it all over to the new GM, who would then have the flexibility to build the team as he likes and remain a SB competitor.

[Zool]

You mean after the 2017 season. This is Hundley's second year; they'll need to make a decision after two more seasons, I think. I say if he's all that and a bag of doughnuts, Ted should trade AR after 2017, getting a bunch of draft picks, and retiring and turning it all over to the new GM, who would then have the flexibility to build the team as he likes and remain a SB competitor.

Imagine being the GM that traded 2 HOF QBs late in their career? Even if the first one was the right decision, you'd have to be pretty damned confident in your abilities to hope that lightning would strike twice.

[Patler]

You mean after the 2017 season. This is Hundley's second year; they'll need to make a decision after two more seasons, I think. I say if he's all that and a bag of doughnuts, Ted should trade AR after 2017, getting a bunch of draft picks, and retiring and turning it all over to the new GM, who would then have the flexibility to build the team as he likes and remain a SB competitor.

Off season precedes the season, so the 2019 off season follows the 2018 season, before the 2019 season. 2018 will have been Hundley's last contract year. Renew Hundley, trade AR, play for another 12 years.

[Upnorth]

I see the cart, but I think we left the horse way way way behind...
I would love for Hundley to be that caliber of player, however I think I will wait and see a bit longer.

[Guiness]

I see the cart, but I think we left the horse way way way behind...
I would love for Hundley to be that caliber of player, however I think I will wait and see a bit longer.

You mean wait until he throws an NFL pass? What kind of fan(atic!) are you?:duel:

[Patler]

I see the cart, but I think we left the horse way way way behind...
I would love for Hundley to be that caliber of player, however I think I will wait and see a bit longer.

It's just a plan, of course.
But, that's the point, three more years before any decisions have to be made. At some point during 2016-2018 Rodgers will go on the shelf for a few weeks, being a china doll and all. Then we will see what Hundley really has. In the mean time, we will dream and plan based on semi-meaningless preseason performances.

But, all kidding aside, there could be a big decision for GB after the 2018 season. Do you stick with a 35 year old AR at whatever stage he is at, for however many more years he decides to play from then forward? Or, do you go with a 26 year old Brett Hundley who might give you another 10-15 years? Impossible to predict right now

[pbmax]

JS Comments ‏@JSComments 7h7 hours ago
Eddie.. the key is your Lungs! run Wind Sprints...over and over again.. forget all these experts ..with new ways to train..wind sprints work

I think Woodbuck has taken up a personal trainer career.

[Joemailman]

Packers training camp schedule:

July 25: Players report.

July 26: 8:15 a.m.

July 27: 8:15 a.m.

July 28: 8:15 a.m.

July 29: No practice

July 30: 8:15 a.m.

July 31: Family Night, 6:25 p.m., Lambeau Field

Aug. 1: 6:15 p.m.

Aug. 2: No practice

Aug. 3: 6:15 p.m.

Aug. 4: 6:15 p.m.

Aug. 5: No practice

Aug. 6: No public practice

Aug. 7: vs. Indianapolis Colts, 7 p.m., Canton, Ohio (Hall of Fame Game)

Aug. 8: No practice

Aug. 9: 6:15 p.m.

Aug. 10: 11:45 a.m.

ADVERTISING

Aug. 11: No public practice

Aug. 12: vs. Cleveland Browns, 7 p.m.

Aug. 13: No practice

Aug. 14: 12:15 p.m.

Aug. 15: 11:45 a.m.

Aug. 16: No practice

Aug. 17: No public practice

Aug. 18: vs. Oakland Raiders, 7 p.m.

Aug. 19: No practice

Aug. 20: No public practice

Aug. 21: No practice

Aug. 22: 12:15 p.m.

Aug. 23: 11:45 a.m.

Aug. 24: No practice

Aug. 25: No public practice

Aug. 26: at San Francisco 49ers, 9 p.m.

Aug. 27: No practice

Aug. 28: No practice

Aug. 29: 12:15 p.m.

Aug. 30: 11:45 a.m.

Aug. 31: No public practice

Sept. 1: at Kansas City Chiefs, 7 p.m.

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Preview of the upcoming season now that Cleveland has won a Championship:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO8LxeSwMfg

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Aaron Nagler ‏@AaronNagler 2h2 hours ago
From @BuckyBrooks. Wonder if the personnel guy is John Dorsey...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl_9NrVWMAAqlRK.jpg:large

[ThunderDan]

Aaron Nagler ‏@AaronNagler 2h2 hours ago
From @BuckyBrooks. Wonder if the personnel guy is John Dorsey...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl_9NrVWMAAqlRK.jpg:large

That is pretty uninspiring since every player is part of an offensive or defensive system.

Now if the "veteran AFC West personnel man" said Clay would be a JAG if he was on any other team that would be something to discuss.

[Patler]

Would the guy prefer that Matthews be a "superstar" (whatever that means) but not function well within Capers' system?

For a few of the years when Matthews was the flashiest, perhaps exhibiting his "superstar" side, the defense was not all that good, and many talked about Matthews taking himself out of plays with his aggressive style. The last few years, with Matthews in a different position and looking less flashy, the defense has improved. I'll take the improved defense with Matthews in it somewhere, and not worry about if he is a superstar or the product of Capers' system.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think anyone can see that Clay is clearly a special athlete. He is very fast and seems to accelerate very quickly.

[gbgary]

That is pretty uninspiring since every player is part of an offensive or defensive system.


lol...exactly. i've ALWAYS hated the "system" label.

[run pMc]

That's a silly comment IMO. The last two seasons he's been playing a lot of ILB. OLB is his natural position...that doesn't make him a "system" guy. That's like putting Guion at OLB and saying that he's a system guy as a DL.

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I think it would be fair if you kept the criticism to his play at OLB the two and a half years prior to his move inside.

He is not a dominating pass rusher when confined to the end. He doesn't dominate tackles like he seemed he was going to early. But he is still an explosive player with fantastic speed and quickness, good in coverage and excellent in pass rush from a variety of positions.

He's not Von Miller. But he also can do things Von Miller cannot hope to do.

[Cheesehead Craig]

He's not Von Miller. But he also can do things Von Miller cannot hope to do.

Like sign a contract.

[Joemailman]

Packers sign RB Brandon Ross.

http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2016/RB/Brandon-Ross


Brandon Ross
School: Maryland
Position: RB

Height: 5-10
Weight: 208
40: 4.57
Year: 4Sr


Positive: Three-year starter who posted a career-best 958 rushing yards as a senior. Underrated situational running back prospect with a well-rounded game. Tough interior ball carrier, keeps his feet moving and runs through tackles to pick up the difficult yardage. Runs hard, keeps the play in bounds and uses an effective straight arm to keep defenders away. Displays a good initial burst and the ability to avoid piles. Quickly changes direction without losing momentum, displays outstanding vision and will pick and choose his spots on the inside. Solid receiver out of the backfield. Effective blocker when required.
Negative: Not a true perimeter runner and best on the inside. More quick than fast.
Analysis: Ross was consistently productive and did a solid job in all areas of the game. He showed well during Shrine Game practices and should get late round consideration for a team looking for a 4th running back.

[bobblehead]

Aaron Nagler ‏@AaronNagler 2h2 hours ago
From @BuckyBrooks. Wonder if the personnel guy is John Dorsey...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl_9NrVWMAAqlRK.jpg:large

I've always thought Clay was overrated. I think it was McGinn that said he was a top 5 player in the league after we won the SB and I called bullshit. Cameron Wake is better than Clay and always has been. That being said Clay is a bonafide stud and perennial pro bowler. I personally like him better at ILB because he is an all around talent while being good not great from the edge.

[bobblehead]

I think it would be fair if you kept the criticism to his play at OLB the two and a half years prior to his move inside.

He is not a dominating pass rusher when confined to the end. He doesn't dominate tackles like he seemed he was going to early. But he is still an explosive player with fantastic speed and quickness, good in coverage and excellent in pass rush from a variety of positions.

He's not Von Miller. But he also can do things Von Miller cannot hope to do.

Hmmm...I could have saved some typing and simply said QFT

[hoosier]

I've always thought Clay was overrated. I think it was McGinn that said he was a top 5 player in the league after we won the SB and I called bullshit. Cameron Wake is better than Clay and always has been. That being said Clay is a bonafide stud and perennial pro bowler. I personally like him better at ILB because he is an all around talent while being good not great from the edge.

Depends on what you're looking at. CMIII may not be as dominant pass rusher as Wake or Miller, but he can do things that Wake and Miller can't even come close to doing. He becomes useless when he lines up on the outside, rushes the passer every down and gets double teamed regularly. But so are 99% of the LBs in the league. Matthews is not a one-dimension animal and is most effective when allowed to move around and be unpredictable. Remember the game-saving pick against Cutler?

[Upnorth]

I've always thought Clay was overrated. I think it was McGinn that said he was a top 5 player in the league after we won the SB and I called bullshit. Cameron Wake is better than Clay and always has been. That being said Clay is a bonafide stud and perennial pro bowler. I personally like him better at ILB because he is an all around talent while being good not great from the edge.

Wait, did McGinn mean LB or player? Two different animals, just as OLB and DE are two different animals.

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Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 1h1 hour ago
Sam Shields is No. 2 in NFL in INTs (behind Sherman) since start of 2010. Imagine what that might be if he hadn't missed 17 games.

I would rather have more games available and fewer INTs to be honest.

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Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood 32m32 minutes ago
#Packers announce signing of Alcorn State CB Warren Gatewood .. and their roster is at 90 entering training camp. No John Kuhn, as expected.

Where have I heard about a player from Alcorn State before? :)

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 1m1 minute ago
More on CB Warren Gatewood: He was supposed to sign with the #Packers as an undrafted FA in May but failed a physical (right hamstring).

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 20s21 seconds ago
He spent the summer rehabbing and "learned a lot about taking care of my body." #Packers put him through tests today and then signed him.


Alright. I am already on the bandwagon after he healed a Packer hamstring in less than 6 months. Goodson is going to have to step it up or this guy is passing him by. :shock:

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago
NFL confirmed receipt of written statements by Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, James Harrison, Mike Neal. NFL... http://fb.me/GoloEokK

Shorter story shorter: NFL still wants to interview them.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
NFL rejected written affidavits from James Harrison, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers; demands to interview them at training camp, per source.