NFL Draft Day 3

[HarveyWallbangers]

WHO I LIKE FOR THE PACKERS

ILB Joshua Perry, Ohio State
RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
ILB/OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
CB Eric Murray, Minnesota
ILB B.J. Goodson, Clemson
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
CB Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Chris Moore, Cincinnati
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson

*TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky is a wildcard.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-plans-line-up-on-day-2-of-draft-b99714839z1-377670321.html


On offense, perhaps the most attractive prospect for the Packers' wish list was Indiana tackle Jason Spriggs. On defense, there were nose tackles Jarran Reed and Andrew Billings plus 5-techniques Hassan Ridgeway and Jonathan Bullard.

McGinn's article doesn't seem to compute. If Ridgeway and Billings were amongst their most attractive prospects (no mention of Fackrell), they why did they bypass those two with their third pick?

[Bretsky]

WHO I LIKE FOR THE PACKERS

ILB Joshua Perry, Ohio State
RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
ILB/OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
CB Eric Murray, Minnesota
ILB B.J. Goodson, Clemson
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
CB Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Chris Moore, Cincinnati
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson

*TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky is a wildcard.



Harv,

It's awesome you put these lists together. TY for doing so. My work has been insanity this year so I have not had the normal time to research.

I hope Schobert goes to GB or NE. He's a great kid and a winner; I"d love to see the guy win a title

[Bretsky]

HERE IS A GUY I REALLY DO LIKE FOR GREEN BAY; I HAD HIM AND A PUNTER ON MY LIST

RB Tyler Ervin: Spent five years at San Jose State and left as one of the most versatile players in school history. Ervin played running back, slot receiver, return specialist, cornerback and special teams in his career. He functioned best as a dual-threat runner, evidenced by more than 1,600 rushing yards and 334 receiving yards last season.

Slender build at 5-10 and 190, makes up for it with athleticism. He led running backs at the combine with a 39-inch vertical leap and tied for second in the broad jump (10-10). Could be a nice weapon coming out of the backfield for the Packers. Ran a blistering time of 4.39.

[Patler]

Harv
Nice list. I do appreciate those of you who really get into the draft prospects and update lists like this.

I notice you don't have Sheldon Day on your list. Oversight or intentional?
He seems to be high on some lists, an afterthought almost on others. I remarked a couple days ago that I wasn't excited at all about the Packers taking him anytime before Day 3, because he is another in the mold of Daniels and Ringo, undersized, high-intensity players, but wouldn't mind him late. But now, with two fewer draft picks available after the trade, I don't know that I want them to go that way at all, although I wouldn't mind another DT like perhaps Billings

[Iamtheliquor]

Super happy with our first three picks. I think the first two especially will go a long way in improving this team. I don't know much about Fackrell, but I think he could be a darn good situational pass rusher at first and improve over time.

That being said. Today I'd love to see us add Schobert. Also does anyone think we take the German kid in the 6th?

[Cheesehead Craig]

What the heck is up with Billings? I thought he was a late 1st/early 2nd prospect?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harv
Nice list. I do appreciate those of you who really get into the draft prospects and update lists like this.

I notice you don't have Sheldon Day on your list. Oversight or intentional?
He seems to be high on some lists, an afterthought almost on others. I remarked a couple days ago that I wasn't excited at all about the Packers taking him anytime before Day 3, because he is another in the mold of Daniels and Ringo, undersized, high-intensity players, but wouldn't mind him late. But now, with two fewer draft picks available after the trade, I don't know that I want them to go that way at all, although I wouldn't mind another DT like perhaps Billings

I have Day as a better fit for a 4-3 DT, but I do realize that teams don't play exclusively 3-4 or 4-3 anymore. See Mike Daniels, who would seem an odd fit for a 3-4. The Packers could draft Day, but I went for the best fits for what the Packers do, and I have a suspicion that a 4-3 team is going to like Day more than the Packers.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We've got, what, 4 picks left? Knock yourself out, Ted.

RB TYLER ERVIN
OL WILLIE BEAVERS
DL WILLIE HENRY
LB AARON WALLACE
OL JOE DAHL
OL CONNOR MC GOVERN
OL CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN
DL SHELDON DAY
WR KOLBY LISTENBEE
CB JUSTON BURRIS
LB JAMES COWSER
LB VICTOR OCHI
CB RYAN SMITH
P TOM HACKETT
DL DAVID ONYEMATA
DL MATT IOANNIDIS
OL LANDON TURNER
DL ANTHONY ZETTEL
DL HASSAN RIDGEWAY
DL RONALD BLAIR
OL JOE HAEG
DL MATT JUDON
RB KEITH MARSHALL
WR PAUL MC ROBERTS

[HarveyWallbangers]

HERE IS A GUY I REALLY DO LIKE FOR GREEN BAY; I HAD HIM AND A PUNTER ON MY LIST

RB Tyler Ervin: Spent five years at San Jose State and left as one of the most versatile players in school history. Ervin played running back, slot receiver, return specialist, cornerback and special teams in his career. He functioned best as a dual-threat runner, evidenced by more than 1,600 rushing yards and 334 receiving yards last season.

Slender build at 5-10 and 190, makes up for it with athleticism. He led running backs at the combine with a 39-inch vertical leap and tied for second in the broad jump (10-10). Could be a nice weapon coming out of the backfield for the Packers. Ran a blistering time of 4.39.

I like Ervin the most of the guys that I'd consider third down RBs, but I think it's against TT's MO to draft those guys. If he goes outside the norm, I'd endorse Ervin though. He might be the most athletic RB in the draft. Lasco actually tested better and is much bigger, but I didn't see the same athleticism on tape. I think Ervin is a great athlete. I think Lasco tested better than he plays.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We've got, what, 4 picks left? Knock yourself out, Ted.

RB TYLER ERVIN
OL WILLIE BEAVERS
DL WILLIE HENRY
LB AARON WALLACE
OL JOE DAHL
OL CONNOR MC GOVERN
OL CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN
DL SHELDON DAY
WR KOLBY LISTENBEE
CB JUSTON BURRIS
LB JAMES COWSER
LB VICTOR OCHI
CB RYAN SMITH
P TOM HACKETT
DL DAVID ONYEMATA
DL MATT IOANNIDIS
OL LANDON TURNER
DL ANTHONY ZETTEL
DL HASSAN RIDGEWAY
DL RONALD BLAIR
OL JOE HAEG
DL MATT JUDON
RB KEITH MARSHALL
WR PAUL MC ROBERTS

I like the addition of Henry and Ridgeway. I could see TT double dipping there, and they (along with Reader) are the most natural fits for GB. I'm also going to add some WRs that I like.

[pittstang5]

Harv has some good names, here are some of mine:

(Note: I have no idea where these guys will go, hell they could go undrafted, but it's players I think TT could go after. I also may have repeated some that Harv has too.)

James Cowser - DE/OLB - S. Utah (Has TT written all over him)
DeVondre Campbell - ILB/OLB - Minn.
Nick Kwiatkowski - ILB - WVU
Matt Ioannidis - DE - Temple
Miles Killebrew - SS - S. Utah
Anthony Zettel - DE - Penn St.
Stephen Weatherly - OLB - Vanderbilt
Victor Ochi - OLB - Stony Brook
Joe Dahl - OG - Washington St. (TJ Lang 2.0 - if we lose Sitton or Lang next year, I want this kid to replace one of them)

[HarveyWallbangers]

WHO I LIKE FOR THE PACKERS

ILB Joshua Perry, Ohio State
RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
ILB/OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
CB Eric Murray, Minnesota
ILB B.J. Goodson, Clemson
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
CB Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Chris Moore, Cincinnati
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
DL Hassan Ridgeway, Texas
DL Willie Henry, Michigan
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson
WR Trevor Davis, California
WR Ricardo Louis, Auburn
WR Mike Thomas, Southern Mississipp

*TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky is a wildcard.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Ervin's on my list of guys who could make fans forget about John Kuhn. I like the way he sees a hole and darts into it. Plus, he's lined up before as a slot receiver. Great hands.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wanted to keep my list shorter with guys that I think fits the Packers the best. Otherwise, I could just post my entire board.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I like the addition of Henry and Ridgeway. I could see TT double dipping there, and they (along with Reader) are the most natural fits for GB. I'm also going to add some WRs that I like.I added Listenbee initially just because of his speed. But after watching his tape the guy is a beast fighting for the ball downfield. He might not exactly be TT material, but I'm hoping.

After watching his tape, Paul McRoberts reminds me of Donald Driver. Not quite as speedy, but the same route running and tenacity. About the same size too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harv has some good names, here are some of mine:

(Note: I have no idea where these guys will go, hell they could go undrafted, but it's players I think TT could go after. I also may have repeated some that Harv has too.)

James Cowser - DE/OLB - S. Utah (Has TT written all over him)
DeVondre Campbell - ILB/OLB - Minn.
Nick Kwiatkowski - ILB - WVU
Matt Ioannidis - DE - Temple
Miles Killebrew - SS - S. Utah
Anthony Zettel - DE - Penn St.
Stephen Weatherly - OLB - Vanderbilt
Victor Ochi - OLB - Stony Brook
Joe Dahl - OG - Washington St. (TJ Lang 2.0 - if we lose Sitton or Lang next year, I want this kid to replace one of them)

I have Kwiatkoski, Killebrew, and Dahl on my list. I didn't add OLBs because the Packers have enough needs that I don't think TT will double dip at OLB. If the Packers do see Fackrell as a potential ILB, then Cowser and Weatherly would be good fits.

[Maxie the Taxi]

WHO I LIKE FOR THE PACKERS

ILB Joshua Perry, Ohio State
RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
ILB/OLB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin
CB Eric Murray, Minnesota
ILB B.J. Goodson, Clemson
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
CB Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Chris Moore, Cincinnati
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
DL Hassan Ridgeway, Texas
DL Willie Henry, Michigan
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson
WR Trevor Davis, California
WR Ricardo Louis, Auburn
WR Mike Thomas, Southern Mississipp

*TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky is a wildcard.

I really like CB Ryan Smith. He's got height, speed and attitude. He's a great return man too. Plus this per Lance Zierlein:


Smith also accomplished something you don’t hear very often; he set the team career record for solo tackles with 168 as a cornerback... ...Ankle-biter as a tackler.

LOL Wist!!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

The more I think about Day 3, here are some of my thoughts:

1) Unless Jerell Adams falls or TT takes a flier on Tyler Higbee at some point, I think the Packers will pass on a TE. It's a weak draft class--which is probably the biggest reason why TT signed Jared Cook. I see the Packers going into training camp with Jared Cook as their stretch the field TE, Richard Rodgers as their red zone TE, and let Kennard Backman, Justin Perillo, and Mitchell Henry battle for one or two spots behind those guys.

2) I have a bunch of ILBs lumped together in the 4th-5th round range, so I could see TT grabbing one in the next two rounds--unless they think Fackrell can play ILB.

3) Unless there's big-time value (like Malcolm Mitchell dropping to the bottom of the 4th), I think the Packers stay put at WR.

4) I think the Packers will look to add another OL (OG), DL, and CB. If I had to predict the positions the Packers pick, I'd say ILB, OG, DL, CB.

[Freak Out]

The way the OL played last season (stumblebum)...I can see TT grabbing another.

[Patler]

What need do you think Perry can fill other than another body for the roster? I've read so many comments like "very stiff", "struggles to change directions" "straight ahead player only" that it doesn't seem he would be more, and might be a lot less than either Ryan or Barrington. What do you think?

[Patler]

I've not felt TE was much of a need after they signed Cook. Some seemed concerned that Cook is on a one year deal, but I'm not any more concerned than I am that Lacy, Bakhtiari, Sitton, Lang and Tretter are also on one year deals. I might even be less concerned with Cook, because I think he will stay if things go well. He openly talked about being disappointed in his personal accomplishments so far in his career. I think he will stay for a decent offer, and won't shop himself as much as some might.

[George Cumby]

What Patler said to you draftniks, it's a ton of work and is appreciated.

My guess is Ted picks a WR, an OG and a CB or another OLB.

[KYPack]

This is as good a time as any for a Tyler Higbee update. This is direct from one of KYPack's secret Kentucky operatives. Sat nite in Bowling Green KY, Higbee and his GF were drinkin' in a BG bar. A drunken acting (although it was later found the guy HADN'T been drinkin') Middle Eastern lookin' dude started seriously hassling Higbee's chick. Higbee got all crazy on the guy, almost punched him and went generally nuts. Higbee and the GF went to another bar. There's only a handful of places you can rock and roll at in Bowling Green KY. The hassle guy appeared at that bar and began his act all over again. He kept bothering the GF and physically grabbed her. This time, Higbee threw the punch and laid the guy out. He was cold cocked and had both external bleeding to the face and internal bleeding in his addled brain. Higbee was spotted by both security& cops and he ran away. The cops chased him and caught his ass. And they laid on the charges. Drunk, real drunk, eluding the cops, lying to the cops, assault, assault and pepper, the whole bit. The "victim" is half way OK and got his etiquette lesson. Higbee screwed up his draft status and lost a good bit in this.

The big problem is that the incident happened where it did. If something like this happened in Pittsburgh to Gronk the week before his draft, you never would have heard a word. In Higbee's incident, he looks like Charlie Manson thx to the KY cops.

The big thing I learned is Higbee failed to elude the cops because he is recovering from a knee surgery he had in December. Never heard about that before.

[Freak Out]

WTH? lol.

[Rastak]

Browns trade back, they're gonna have a million picks....Raiders move way up for a QB????

[KYPack]

WTH? lol.

I know, it's strange, but true, Freak.

IDK if they should bring Higbee in, he's a solid player, but all this shit & a Knee? Might be too much.

[Fritz]

Take a flyer? Is he a playmaker?

[HarveyWallbangers]

What need do you think Perry can fill other than another body for the roster? I've read so many comments like "very stiff", "struggles to change directions" "straight ahead player only" that it doesn't seem he would be more, and might be a lot less than either Ryan or Barrington. What do you think?

I liked Perry's tape. His coverage skills aren't top notch, but he tested well athletically. Better than Ragland (and 3 inches and 7 pounds heavier). Actually, better than anybody not named Darron Lee, Deion Jones, or Nick Vigil at ILB (and he's much bigger than those guys). Testing wise he was tied the 4th best overall athlete at ILB (had the same SPARq score as Fackrell, in fact). I think, if nothing else, you get an upgrade on Barrington (or protection for Barrington) as a 2-down ILB. With Perry you get a great 2-down ILB prospect who has an outside chance to be better than people think on third downs. Now, I like Ryan more than most here it seems. I think he'll be a long-time starter for the Pack.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Shoot, he's gone--along with Schobert. Good fit for the Chargers and their 3-4 scheme. I think I would have taken Perry over Fackrell. If the Packers think Fackrell can play nickel/dime LB, then the Fackrell pick makes more sense to me.

Eric Murray also gone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sheldon Day taken by a team that plays a 4-3.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Chris Moore and Ryan Smith gone also.

RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
ILB B.J. Goodson, Clemson
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
DL Hassan Ridgeway, Texas
DL Willie Henry, Michigan
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson
WR Trevor Davis, California
WR Ricardo Louis, Auburn
WR Mike Thomas, Southern Mississipp

*TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky is a wildcard.

[Rastak]

Sheldon Day taken by a team that plays a 4-3.

No sure how he'll fit but the Jags are having a helluva draft on paper.

[woodbuck27]

1(99) Browns Schobert, Joe OLB 6'1" 244 Wisconsin 5.4

2(100) Raiders (From Browns through Eagles through Titans) Cook, Connor QB 6'4" 217 Michigan St. 5.8

3(101) Cowboys Tapper, Charles DE 6'3" 271 Oklahoma 5.4

4(102) Chargers Perry, Joshua ILB 6'4" 254 Ohio St. 5.4

5(103) Jaguars Day, Sheldon DT 6'1" 293 Notre Dame 5.6

6(104) Ravens Young, Tavon CB 5'9" 183 Temple 5.4

7(105) Chiefs (From 49ers) Ehinger, Parker OG 6'6" 310 Cincinnati 5.1

8(106) Chiefs (From Buccaneers through Bears) Murray, Eric CB 5'11" 199 Minnesota 5.4

[HarveyWallbangers]

No sure how he'll fit but the Jags are having a helluva draft on paper.

Agreed, and I'm rooting for former NDSU Bison Gus Bradley. The only pick that I didn't like was Yannick Ngakoue. I thought it was a little early for him.

[woodbuck27]

9(107) Ravens (From Dolphins) Moore, Chris WR 6'1" 206 Cincinnati 5.2

10(108) Buccaneers Smith, Ryan CB 5'11" 189 North Carolina Central 5.3

[HarveyWallbangers]

Goodson gone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dang it. Higbee gone. Gotta go for a moment. Good pick for Goff. Got a little Travis Kelce or maybe Jared Cook to him. Very athletic.

RB Devontae Booker, Utah
RB Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
OG Christian Westerman, Arizona State
OG Connor McGovern, Missouri
TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina
DT Andrew Billings, Baylor
WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia
RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Utah
ILB Blake Martinez, Stanford
CB/S Jalen Mills, LSU
CB Maurice Canady, Virginia
RB Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
WR Charone Peake, Clemson
DL Hassan Ridgeway, Texas
DL Willie Henry, Michigan
S Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah
S Tyvis Powell, Ohio State
CB DeAndre Elliott, Colorado State
DE Dean Lowry, Northwestern
OG Joe Dahl, Washington State
CB Kevin Seymour, USC
CB Kalan Reed, Southern Mississippi
RB DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa
S Kavon Frazier, Central Michigan
DT D.J. Reader, Clemson
WR Trevor Davis, California
WR Ricardo Louis, Auburn
WR Mike Thomas, Southern Mississippi

[woodbuck27]

12(110) Rams Higbee, Tyler TE 6'6" 249 Western Kentucky 5.6

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dang, Ryan Smith was one of my favorites.

[KYPack]

Take a flyer? Is he a playmaker?

I figured/hoped they'd bring Higbee in as a UDFA.

The knee is troubling. He won't be right for Minicamp.

He may have maneuvered himself right out of the NFL.

[Bretsky]

DAM; I wanted Schoebert to go to GB or NE so he's win a SB. He went to the flippin Browns

[woodbuck27]

Goodson gone.


11(109) Giants Goodson, B.J. OLB 6'1" 242 Clemson 5.5

[woodbuck27]

12(110) Rams Higbee, Tyler TE 6'6" 249 Western Kentucky 5.6

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-higbee?id=2555364

TE Tyler Higbee: ..... Draft Projection Round 4

NFL Comparison Jordan Cameron

" ...Bottom Line Knee injury basically took six games away from him this season which could cause him to fly under the radar a little bit. Higbee has exciting athleticism and speed in the open field with the ability to separate from safeties on intermediate routes and threaten the deep middle. Higbee has soft, reliable hands and plus run-*after*-catch ability to finish plays. While he needs to beef up his frame and blocking ability, there is no doubting his pass catching talent. ... "

[RashanGary]

Have a good day 3 guys! Awesome research Harv and company!!!!

[ThunderDan]

DAM; I wanted Schoebert to go to GB or NE so he's win a SB. He went to the flippin Browns

The Browns were great Badgers go to toil in obscurity.

[Bretsky]

Joe Thomas..great career...........LOST...in the Browns uniform

[woodbuck27]

.......... Higbee was spotted by both security& cops and he ran away. The cops chased him and caught his ass. And they laid on the charges. Drunk, real drunk, eluding the cops, lying to the cops, assault, assault and pepper, the whole bit. The "victim" is half way OK and got his etiquette lesson. Higbee screwed up his draft status and lost a good bit in this.

The big problem is that the incident happened where it did. If something like this happened in Pittsburgh to Gronk the week before his draft, you never would have heard a word. In Higbee's incident, he looks like Charlie Manson thx to the KY cops.

The big thing I learned is Higbee failed to elude the cops because he is recovering from a knee surgery he had in December. Never heard about that before.

http://images.clipartof.com/small/29948-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Mischievous-Graffiti-Artist-Running-Away-From-A-Cop.jpg

[Bretsky]

Bears Trade up....TE ??

[woodbuck27]

Bears Trade up....TE ??

TE's Avail:

Adams, Jerell TE 6'5" 247 South Carolina 5.4

Duarte, Thomas TE 6'2" 231 UCLA 5.4

Sandland, Beau TE 6'4" 253 Montana St. 5.3

Krieger Coble, Henry TE 6'3" 248 Iowa 5.2

Williams, Bryce TE 6'6" 257 East Carolina 5.2

Braunecker, Ben TE 6'3" 250 Harvard 5.2

McGee, Jake TE 6'5" 250 Florida 5.2

[woodbuck27]

13(111) Lions Killebrew, Miles SS 6'2" 217 Southern Utah 5.6

14(112) Patriots (From Saints) Mitchell, Malcolm WR 6'0" 198 Georgia 5.5

15(113) Cardinals (From Rams through Titans through Eagles) Kwiatkoski, Nick ILB 6'2" 243 West Virginia 5.1

16(114) Browns (From Raiders) Louis, Ricardo WR 6'2" 215 Auburn 5.4

[woodbuck27]

17(115) Falcons Campbell, De'Vondre OLB 6'4" 232 Minnesota 5.2

18(116) Colts Ridgeway, Hassan DT 6'3" 303 Texas 6.0

19(117) Rams (From Bears through Bills) Cooper, Pharoh WR 5'11" 203 South Carolina 5.6

[woodbuck27]

20(118) Jets Burris, Juston CB 6'0" 212 N.C. State 5.4

[Maxie the Taxi]

Burris was another favorite. Dang. I'm out of cornerbacks.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Maybe Rashard Robinson. He was an early favorite.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Ervin's gonna be a star in NFL.

[woodbuck27]

Available for the DL:

Billings, Andrew NT 6'1" 311 Baylor 6.0

What's the scoop on NT Andrew Billing still on the board?

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/48ca94/baylor_nt_andrew_billings_said_the_vikings_told/

"Baylor NT Andrew Billings said the Vikings told him that if he is still on the board at pick #23 they will take him."

Henry, Willie DT 6'3" 303 Michigan 5.9

Ioannidis, Matthew DT 6'3" 299 Temple 5.5

Robertson-Harris, Roy DE 6'7" 255 Texas-El Paso 5.5

Onyemata, David DT 6'4" 300 Manitoba (Canada) 5.4

Vaeao, Destiny DT 6'4" 298 Washington St. 5.4

Blair, Ronald DE 6'2" 284 Appalachian St. 5.4

Cowser, James DE 6'3" 248 Southern Utah 5.4

Latham, Darius DT 6'4" 311 Indiana 5.4

Oakman, Shawn DE 6'8" 287 Baylor 5.3

Ochi, Victor DE 6'1" 246 Stony Brook 5.3

McCalister, Alex DE 6'6" 239 Florida 5.3

[woodbuck27]

21(119) Texans Ervin, Tyler RB 5'10" 192 San Jose St. 5.3

22(120) Saints (From Redskins) Onyemata, David DT 6'4" 300 Manitoba (Canada) 5.4

23(121) Vikings Beavers, Willie OT 6'4" 324 Western Michigan 5.4

[woodbuck27]

Finally ........he's off the board:

24(122) The Bengals Pick....Billings, Andrew NT 6'1" 311 Baylor 6.0

He lasted so long because he's likely a two down player.

Luke Schultheis ‏@LuckAtLuke · 1h1 hour ago

Mike Mayock says Andrew Billings slide has nothing to do with character or injury concerns just that he's predominantly a 2-down run stuffer

[woodbuck27]

and .... the crowd goes 'WILD'. LOL

26(124) Bears (From Seahawks) Bush, Deon S 6'0" 199 Miami 5.2

[RashanGary]

Finally ........he's off the board:

24(122) The Bengals Pick....Billings, Andrew NT 6'1" 311 Baylor 6.0

He lasted so long because he's likely a two down player.

Maybe injury or character concern that we don't know about?? The bengals took him. I'm guessing it's character.

[woodbuck27]

27(125) Colts (From Packers) Morrison, Antonio ILB 6'1" 232 Florida 5.2

28(126) Chiefs Robinson, Demarcus WR 6'1" 203 Florida 5.4

[esoxx]

Still a circus in Day 3, just make the fucking pick!

[Guiness]

HERE IS A GUY I REALLY DO LIKE FOR GREEN BAY; I HAD HIM AND A PUNTER ON MY LIST

RB Tyler Ervin: Spent five years at San Jose State and left as one of the most versatile players in school history. Ervin played running back, slot receiver, return specialist, cornerback and special teams in his career. He functioned best as a dual-threat runner, evidenced by more than 1,600 rushing yards and 334 receiving yards last season.

Slender build at 5-10 and 190, makes up for it with athleticism. He led running backs at the combine with a 39-inch vertical leap and tied for second in the broad jump (10-10). Could be a nice weapon coming out of the backfield for the Packers. Ran a blistering time of 4.39.


And Houston gets him. Too bad, looked interesting for sure.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Still a circus in Day 3, just make the fucking pick!What? You don't want to meet every kid in Chicago who plays organized football? Or the entire air force base personnel in Kansas?:-)

[woodbuck27]

Da BEARS are back with:

29(127) Bears (From Patriots) Hall, Deiondre' CB 6'2" 199 Northern Iowa 5.4

Mike Maylock say he's a great tackler.

Question:

Is he a CB or a Safety at the NFL level?

[Bretsky]

is an athletic TE still out there ?
ILB ?

thoughts ??

[woodbuck27]

30(128) Cardinals Boehm, Evan C 6'2" 309 Missouri 5.4

[Rastak]

Bears Trade up....TE ??


Vikings got Beavers and Bears grabbed Bush a couple picks later.

[esoxx]

Vikings got Beavers and Bears grabbed Bush a couple picks later.

Take it to the Garbage Can.

[woodbuck27]

RB's Available:

Howard, Jordan RB 6'0" 230 Indiana 6.1

Booker, Devontae RB 5'11" 219 Utah 5.7

Dixon, Kenneth RB 5'10" 215 Louisiana Tech 5.7

Perkins, Paul RB 5'10" 208 UCLA 5.6

Collins, Alex RB 5'10" 217 Arkansas 5.5

Williams, Jonathan RB 5'11" 220 Arkansas 5.4

Pressley, Jhurell RB 5'10" 206 New Mexico 5.4

Ferguson, Josh RB 5'9" 198 Illinois 5.3

Taylor, Kelvin RB 5'10" 207 Florida 5.3

Johnson, Devon RB 6'0" 238 Marshall 5.3

[woodbuck27]

31(129) Browns (From Panthers) Kindred, Derrick FS 5'10" 207 TCU 5.1

32(130) Ravens (From Broncos) Lewis, Alex OT 6'6" 312 Nebraska 5.2

[red]

oh great, we drafted a beaner

[Carolina_Packer]

Blake Martinez is solid.

[woodbuck27]

Jerry Kramer announced the next 4th Rd. Packer pick:

33(131) Packers (Compensatory Selection) Martinez, Blake ILB 6'2" 237 Stanford 5.3

[Guiness]

The more I think about Day 3, here are some of my thoughts:

3) Unless there's big-time value (like Malcolm Mitchell dropping to the bottom of the 4th), I think the Packers stay put at WR.



Agree that TT is likely to stand pat on WR. Abby and Janis came on strong at the end of last year, and if he's comfortable with them I can see him not wanting to add bodies.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Zierlein:

Martinez is a muscled-*up, throwback linebacker in a league that covets twitch and play speed over throwback traits.

[Carolina_Packer]

Time for Haeg or Westerman?

[woodbuck27]

Jerry Kramer announced the next 4th Rd. Packer pick:

33(131) Packers (Compensatory Selection) Martinez, Blake ILB 6'2" 237 Stanford 5.3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/blake-martinez?id=2555161

ILB ... Blake Martinez ....Stanford Pac-12 ...Grade 5.32

Pro Day Results: Vertical: 34 inches ... 60-yard long shuttle: 11.68 seconds

Draft Projection Rounds 5 or 6

NFL Comparison Martrell Spaight

Bottom Line Full-*time starter over the last two years who plays with the temperament and ruggedness that Stanford wants in the middle of their defense. Martinez is a muscled-*up, throwback linebacker in a league that covets twitch and play speed over throwback traits.

His special teams ability and overall tackle production is a big plus, but his draft stock might not match up with his elevated college production due to concerns over his quickness.

[Fosco33]

MTP's newest favorite packer... A Hispanic from cali :)

[woodbuck27]

Agree that TT is likely to stand pat on WR. Abby and Janis came on strong at the end of last year, and if he's comfortable with them I can see him not wanting to add bodies.

It also appears that TT's happy at the RB position.

[Carolina_Packer]

There are RB's to be had later.

[Patler]

Something doesn't add up in the evaluations of Martinez as overly muscled and slow twitch.
Among linebackers who participated he had:

- 2nd fastest three-cone drill.
- 3rd fastest (tied) short shuttle.
- 5th most bench press

[Fosco33]

Good article. I like the read. Packer guy

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/meticulous-blake-martinez-s-nfl-dream-on-verge-of-coming/article_dfea8b52-85fc-57a7-a1c4-6c2e54f9ea11.html

[Iron Mike]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/blake-martinez?id=2555161

[woodbuck27]

34(132) Ravens (Compensatory Selection) Henry, Willie DT 6'3" 303 Michigan 5.9

35(133) 49ers (Compensatory Selection) Robinson, Rashard CB 6'1" 171 LSU 5.4


36(134) Ravens (Compensatory Selection) Dixon, Kenneth RB 5'10" 215 Louisiana Tech 5.7


37(135) Cowboys (Compensatory Selection) Prescott, Dak QB 6'2" 226 Mississippi St. 5.4

[HarveyWallbangers]

Martinez was on my short list, but not my top guy. I would have gone Booker or Dixon probably, and I wish Kwiatoski would have fallen to us. Martinez is okay. I guess that means Fackrell stays outside.

[red]

dallas has the most obnoxious mascot ever

[Carolina_Packer]

It might be Matt Judon time. He killed it at his level. He could make Nick Perry expendable after this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hoping for Dixon or McGovern here.

[woodbuck27]

Now it's turning to RB:

38(136) Broncos (Compensatory Selection) Booker, Devontae RB 5'11" 219 Utah 5.7

Mayock had him as the 51st BPA in this draft.

[Patler]

It also appears that TT's happy at the RB position.

Why? Just because he didn't draft an RB?
He has picked four players all at positions of apparent need. He can't draft two at once! :lol:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Lowry helps me in the draft contest.

[red]

high effort guy who stood out during shrine game week

classic TT pick

[Guiness]

I figured/hoped they'd bring Higbee in as a UDFA.

The knee is troubling. He won't be right for Minicamp.

He may have maneuvered himself right out of the NFL.

I'm surprised he went this high as well, huge character risk, didn't he get a resisting arrest/fleeing the scene charge on top of everything else? That's some bad decision making there.

[Iron Mike]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dean-lowry?id=2555274

[woodbuck27]

Maybe injury or character concern that we don't know about?? The bengals took him. I'm guessing it's character.

Mike Mayock says Andrew Billings slide has nothing to do with character or injury concerns just that he's predominantly a 2-down run stuffer

[Guiness]

Martinez is a muscled-*up, throwback linebacker in a league that covets twitch and play speed over throwback traits

So not an ankle bitter?

[woodbuck27]

Why? Just because he didn't draft an RB?
He has picked four players all at positions of apparent need. He can't draft two at once! :lol:

The operative word was ...........'appears'.

I was simply hoping he would pick at RB Patler.

There is still a few decent ones left on the board...next pick....maybe?

Howard, Jordan RB 6'0" 230 Indiana 6.1

Perkins, Paul RB 5'10" 208 UCLA 5.6

Collins, Alex RB 5'10" 217 Arkansas 5.5

Williams, Jonathan RB 5'11" 220 Arkansas 5.4

Pressley, Jhurell RB 5'10" 206 New Mexico 5.4

Ferguson, Josh RB 5'9" 198 Illinois 5.3

Taylor, Kelvin RB 5'10" 207 Florida 5.3

Johnson, Devon RB 6'0" 238 Marshall 5.3

[esoxx]

Mike Mayock says Andrew Billings slide has nothing to do with character or injury concerns just that he's predominantly a 2-down run stuffer

Two down run stuffer is the same thing some scouts said of Kenny Clark.

[Carolina_Packer]

I'm assuming that the Packers knew more about Dean Lowry than the profile that I just on NFL.com, which made him sound like a 7th rounder. Their board said differently, I guess.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Two down run stuffer is the same thing some scouts said of Kenny Clark.

Not really--since Clark had 6 sacks last year and many think he has more pass rush potential than other NTs in this draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm assuming that the Packers knew more about Dean Lowry than the profile that I just on NFL.com, which made him sound like a 7th rounder. Their board said differently, I guess.

He was a late riser, and NFL.com generally doesn't update their reports during the draft process. I'm not on my PC, but there were some glowing reports late that had me projecting Lowry to the Packers in the draft contest.

[woodbuck27]

39(137) Packers (Compensatory Selection) Lowry, Dean DE 6'6" 296 Northwestern 5.2

DE ...Dean Lowry ...Northwestern Big Ten .....Grade 5.2

Isn't he a REACH !?

Draft Projection Round 7 or priority free agent

Bottom Line Try-hard player with good size who is always active. While he won’t be considered a pass rushing threat, Lowry’s production was a function of effort and flashes of power and the aforementioned traits and qualities give him a good shot at being drafted and becoming an NFL backup.

OK sorry I just got it :idea::

Weaknesses ** Short arms and small hands prevent him from posting higher win percentage at point of attack

** ' short arms ' makes him a Ted Thompson Guy !



The final picks:

40(138) Browns (Compensatory Selection) Devalve, Seth TE 6'4" 245 Princeton 4.9

41(139) Bills (Compensatory Selection) Jones, Cardale QB 6'5" 253 Ohio St. 5.4

End of ROUND FOUR.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Unfortunately, I really like the Bears draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Good article. I like the read. Packer guy

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/meticulous-blake-martinez-s-nfl-dream-on-verge-of-coming/article_dfea8b52-85fc-57a7-a1c4-6c2e54f9ea11.htmlAfter reading this article, I'm on the Martinez fan club!

[Teamcheez1]

Now TT trades down to add another 6 and bring back our 7th.

[wist43]

Mike Mayock says Andrew Billings slide has nothing to do with character or injury concerns just that he's predominantly a 2-down run stuffer

Good Christ, Billings has more shake than Clark... you can see it on the tape.

[woodbuck27]

Unfortunately, I really like the Bears draft.


So does everybody watching this process.

Da Bears are killing it.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:5/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:w/dt-by-team-input:chi

[esoxx]

Not really--since Clark had 6 sacks last year and many think he has more pass rush potential than other NTs in this draft.

Right, but some scouts do not feel he's a three down player. I hope to hell they're wrong.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/what-scouts-are-saying-b99715036z1-377539121.html

AFC scout: "Strong at the point of attack. Stout. I see him as a two-down player. I don't see him as a third-down player. He's a bull rusher. Most of the guys that play nose tackle are bull rushers."

On Thursday afternoon, a scout for an AFC team was asked how he saw a possible decision between Clark and Butler.

"I put a lot of value in versatility and pass rush," the executive said. "You're in nickel 60% of the time. Why are you drafting for 40% of the time? When the game's on the line you're in nickel, not base. "On the other hand, you can't stop the run if you don't have a nose tackle. With Clark, they'll be better in their run defense but they still haven't addressed the 60% issue.

[woodbuck27]

Good Christ, Billings has more shake than Clark... you can see it on the tape.

You just have to watch this entire process unfold before it becomes obvious you could draft better than Ted Thompson.

It's rather comical.....but too damn familiar. Ted gives you a little smell of something good then hammers you with a sack of shit.

Soon he'll hopefully be gone.

[Carolina_Packer]

A more flattering report on Lowry: http://www.insidenu.com/2016/4/25/11494116/dean-lowry-northwestern-nfl-draft-scouting-report-highlights-stats-combine-40-time

[Maxie the Taxi]

Good article on Lowry: http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/07/nfl-draft-2016-dean-lowry-northwestern

I'm on board big time.

[Badgerinmaine]

The Boston Herald wrote a piece on Martinez last Sunday saying he would be a great pick for New England . Opening quote from the story: "The more you get to know Stanford’s Blake Martinez, the more there is to like, especially if you’re an NFL team with a need at linebacker." http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2016/04/stanford_lb_blake_martinez_skills_fit_patriots_mol d

[mraynrand]

Did Dahl go kinda early?

[Maxie the Taxi]

The Boston Herald wrote a piece on Martinez last Sunday saying he would be a great pick for New England . Opening quote from the story: "The more you get to know Stanford’s Blake Martinez, the more there is to like, especially if you’re an NFL team with a need at linebacker." http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2016/04/stanford_lb_blake_martinez_skills_fit_patriots_mol dLB? That's one big LB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did Dahl go kinda early?Not really. Guys are being picked all over the map now. But it's about the right spot for Dahl.

[woodbuck27]

I'm assuming that the Packers knew more about Dean Lowry than the profile that I just on NFL.com, which made him sound like a 7th rounder. Their board said differently, I guess.

Sure. :???:

[Badgerinmaine]

Story on Lowry from his home town paper, the Rockford Register-Star http://www.rrstar.com/article/20160427/SPORTS/160429547
Quotes: "Lowry has been projected as anywhere from a fifth- to seventh-round pick"

"Always known as the “smart” defensive end in his four years at Northwestern, the 6-foot-6, 296-pound Boylan grad has been showing NFL teams he is far more athletic than his reputation would suggest. Lowry ran a 4.87-second 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, tied for the fastest time of any player weighing at least 290 pounds, and bench pressed 225 pounds 30 times, finishing in the top 10 of all players at the Combine.
“That was my plan, to show teams I’m not just an academic guy, that I am athletic too,” Lowry said. “Teams were impressed by my Combine performance. I showed I have the explosive traits to play in the NFL."

"The biggest knocks on Lowry, who had a Northwestern-record six tackles for loss against Nebraska, are that his arms measured only 31 inches at the Combine, tied for the shortest of any defensive lineman, and that he isn’t a great pass rusher. He is strongest against the run."

[Striker]

You just have to watch this entire process unfold before it becomes obvious you could draft better than Ted Thompson.

It's rather comical.....but too damn familiar. Ted gives you a little smell of something good then hammers you with a sack of shit.

Soon he'll hopefully be gone.

If by soon you mean "several years" then yes...it will be "soon".

I love the instant draft grades from the chicken littles.

[Badgerinmaine]

Apparently Lowry has small arms and small hands. I wonder what a certain presidential candidate would say about that. :mrgreen: http://www.insidenu.com/2016/4/25/11494116/dean-lowry-northwestern-nfl-draft-scouting-report-highlights-stats-combine-40-time
(http://www.insidenu.com/2016/4/25/11494116/dean-lowry-northwestern-nfl-draft-scouting-report-highlights-stats-combine-40-time)

[Carolina_Packer]

If by soon you mean "several years" then yes...it will be "soon".

I love the instant draft grades from the chicken littles.

Wait, Striker, so the sky is not falling? That's a relief. I need to cut the grass.

[Badgerinmaine]

Conclusion from the article above (from the SB Nation blog for N'western):
In a way, Lowry seems like a fairly safe pick in the mid-to-late rounds. He has his limitations, which mean his ceiling is modest, but his versatility makes him a pretty good bet to hang around in the league as a rotation guy, or perhaps even a starter. That might be as a 3-4 defensive end or as a situational 4-3 defensive tackle. It might even be as a standard down 4-3 end. Either way, there's almost certainly a place for a guy like Lowry in the NFL.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Short arms ain't all bad. Dean "Rex" Lowry
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dino/images/2/29/JW_T-Rex.png/revision/latest?cb=20150407205733

[esoxx]

Some Lowry fans out there:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656322/article/2016-nfl-draft-gauging-undervalued-overvalued-prospects


» Dean Lowry, defensive end, Northwestern
Lowry has outstanding size (6-6, 296 pounds), strength and explosiveness, but his lack of length (31-inch arms) is a concern for some teams. I think he's ideally suited to be a 3-4 defensive end, and is someone who can play right away. He's talked about as more of a fifth- or sixth-round player, in part because of the depth of this year's defensive end class, but I think Lowry is worthy of a third-round choice.

[woodbuck27]

39(137) Packers (Compensatory Selection) Lowry, Dean DE 6'6" 296 Northwestern 5.2

DE ...Dean Lowry ...Northwestern Big Ten .....Grade 5.2

Isn't he a REACH !?

--Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) (2/21/16)


Draft Projection Round 7 or priority free agent

Bottom Line Try-hard player with good size who is always active. While he won’t be considered a pass rushing threat, Lowry’s production was a function of effort and flashes of power and the aforementioned traits and qualities give him a good shot at being drafted and becoming an NFL backup.

OK sorry I just got it :idea::

Weaknesses ** Short arms and small hands prevent him from posting higher win percentage at point of attack

** ' short arms ' makes him a Ted Thompson Guy !


The final picks:

40(138) Browns (Compensatory Selection) Devalve, Seth TE 6'4" 245 Princeton 4.9

41(139) Bills (Compensatory Selection) Jones, Cardale QB 6'5" 253 Ohio St. 5.4

End of ROUND FOUR.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1998499/dean-lowry

WEAKNESSES: For a player of his size, Lowry has short, disproportionate arms. Lacks ideal explosive traits for the next level and needs to develop his pass rush moves to not be so predictable off the snap. Unimaginative pass rush strategy and needs to better set up his moves instead of forcing his way through blockers each play.


Needs to develop his counters, allowing his rush to stall once initial momentum is slowed. Relies more on timing than burst. Can drop in space, but marginal change of direction skills limits his potential off the line of scrimmage.


IN OUR VIEW: He doesn't play with anything less than full effort and that hustle, along with his instincts, allows him to be effective containing the edge. Lowry lacks athletic twitch and move-to-move transition to be a consistent pass rush threat in the NFL, but his initial power and unrelenting play style wears down blockers.


He lacks ideal traits to start at the next level, but shows the recognition skills and versatility to play various scheme techniques as a reserve.

[Carolina_Packer]

Now TT trades down to add another 6 and bring back our 7th.

Prediction or Declaration?

[woodbuck27]

Some Lowry fans out there:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656322/article/2016-nfl-draft-gauging-undervalued-overvalued-prospects


» Dean Lowry, defensive end, Northwestern
Lowry has outstanding size (6-6, 296 pounds), strength and explosiveness, but his lack of length (31-inch arms) is a concern for some teams. I think he's ideally suited to be a 3-4 defensive end, and is someone who can play right away. He's talked about as more of a fifth- or sixth-round player, in part because of the depth of this year's defensive end class, but I think Lowry is worthy of a third-round choice.

Don't we hope their right. :???:

[woodbuck27]

Short arms ain't all bad. Dean "Rex" Lowry
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dino/images/2/29/JW_T-Rex.png/revision/latest?cb=20150407205733

http://www.dinosaurusi.com/foto/all/fliying-dinosaurs200/leteci-leti-dinosaurus-Fliying_dinosaurs-Pterosaur-Quetzalcoatlus13.jpg

Grab this guy !

[woodbuck27]

The Ted Thompson 2016 DRAFT through Four Rounds:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:5/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:w/dt-by-team-input:gb

Needs according to NFL.Com: LB;CB;OL;TE

Comment woodbuck27:

They missed DL.

[Iron Mike]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/trevor-davis?id=2555413

[Badgerinmaine]

http://www.dinosaurusi.com/foto/all/fliying-dinosaurs200/leteci-leti-dinosaurus-Fliying_dinosaurs-Pterosaur-Quetzalcoatlus13.jpg

Grab this guy !
I hear he defends passes well, but is not too stout against the run. :lol:

[SMBASS]

These draft analysis by the, "experts" that some people put so much stock into are a joke. If you went back and revisited all of their predictions 2 or 3 years after these kids have a chance to strap on the pads and play you'd find that they're wrong so many times it's actually laughable. I guess that's why I don't even waste my time reading any of these pre-draft predictions and other nonsense. Just look at the amount of conflicting information you can find on a given player based on who did the write-up.

BTW - OT Joe Thomas only had 32 1/2" long arms at the combine and isn't that supposed to be such an important factor for the success of an OT? Why, he should have been a "bust" based on that all important stat.

[Badgerinmaine]

Short arms ain't all bad. Dean "Rex" Lowry
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dino/images/2/29/JW_T-Rex.png/revision/latest?cb=20150407205733
I hear some were projecting him to the Steelers. http://www.carnegiemnh.org/graphics/programs/online/dinomite/dill_sm.jpg

[Maxie the Taxi]

Competition for WR corps: Trevor Davis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_solbtUNiI

[jklowan]

I HATE this draft so far

The only pick I like is round 2

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/trevor-davis?id=2555413

Dahl, Joe OG 6'4" 304 Washington St. Pick 12, Round 5 (151) Lions 5.5

Davis, Sean CB 6'1" 201 Maryland Pick 27, Round 2 (58) Steelers 5.5

and then TT's next move for the Packers future:

Davis, Trevor WR 6'1" 188 California Pick 26, Round 5 (163) Packers 4.9

Whaaaaaaaaat !

You've got to be kidding me !

This skinflint...has a 4.9 Grade and right now TT is the laughing stock of the NFL.

Isn't there anyone in the Packers War Room that can wrestle Ted Thompson to the floor? :cnf:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/trevor-davis?id=2555413

Analysis

Strengths Quality return man specializing in kick*offs with two touchdowns under his belt while at Cal. Former high school long jumper and sprinter with build*up speed to challenge deep safeties from the hash. Competitive runner after the catch with ability to make defenders miss and finish his runs with some authority. Hands are adequate.

Weaknesses Track speed doesn't translate underneath. Needs runway to get going and can't hit jets out of his breaks for separation. Needs to improve hard vertical push to clear space for comebacks and outs. One*-speed, rounded routes need work.

Struggles to release cleanly against quality press coverage.

Draft Projection Rounds 6 or 7

Sources Tell Us "He's a pretty good returner. I don't see him being drafted, but he could make a team as a return man and last receiver on the depth chart." -- NFC West scout

Bottom Line Wiry catch-*and-*run specialist whose NFL value rests in his return ability. Davis could be a difficult sell because he's not an NFL*-ready receiver, but a big combine could create late-round interest or elevate his stock as a priority free agent.
:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Lowry and Davis were both late risers. Davis was ranked about 25 spots below his teammate Kenny Lawler, but had moved ahead of Lawler in many boards by draft time (including being in McGinn's top 20 WRs; Lawler was not listed). That's what being 6'1" and testing incredibly well will do for you. Plus, he's a return man. Only Josh Doctson tested as a better overall athlete than Davis at the combine among WRs.

One common theme of the Packers draft is that most of these guys quietly tested well at the combine.

Clark was the second best athlete among 3-4 NT types (behind Vernon Butler, same as Billings, and ahead of the likes of Jarran Reed, A'Shawn Robinson, Austin Johnson, Hassan Ridgeway)
Spriggs was the most athletic OL in the draft.
Fackrell tested around the top 1/3 of OLBs.
Martinez tested in the top 1/2 of ILBs.
Lowry was the second best athlete among 3-4 DEs (behind Bronson Faufusi and ahead of the likes of DeForest Buckner, Jihad Ward, Chris Jones, etc.)
Davis was the second best athlete among WRs (behind Josh Doctson).

Martinez is probably the most average athlete of the bunch, when you look at their testing numbers.

[woodbuck27]

I HATE this draft so far

The only pick I like is round 2

Ted Thompson lives as the Packers GM because he lucked out with Aaron Rodgers.

He has to retire....yesterday !

[jklowan]

No shit and DJ Reader goes the next pick WTF

[Strange Brew]

What be Teddy T. smokin? With Jerell Adams still on the board he drafts a special teams guy in the 5th?

[woodbuck27]

No shit and DJ Reader goes the next pick WTF

The TT lovers here will have that all explained away.

Meanwhile the Packers get weaker...and weaker....Weaker still.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What be Teddy T. smokin? With Jerell Adams still on the board he drafts a special teams guy in the 5th?

I actually liked Davis a bit. I had him ranked in my top 20 WRs. Incredible athlete, but I would have picked Adams there. I wonder why Adams has dropped all the way to the 6th round. Must be something going on there.

[woodbuck27]

What be Teddy T. smokin? With Jerell Adams still on the board he drafts a special teams guy in the 5th?

His last two picks = BUSTS !

I start out every Draft optimistic. Tring my best to believe this time TT will have it together.

By this time on Saturday I usually feel the same:

Pissed off !

[HarveyWallbangers]

Some other quotes


Davis is a transfer from Hawaii who brings upside with big-play potential. He has the top-end speed to stretch the field vertically thanks to his athleticism and long, lean frame. Davis needs to continue to get stronger and add polish as a route runner. He has quality ball skills and adequate body control to make the tough catch outside the frame. He has a chance to add depth as a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver who will likely need to contribute as a returner on special teams to make it at the next level.


A three-year starter, Lowry has quality measureables but shorter arms for his size. He is at his best as a run defender, but has underrated athleticism to work with as a pass-rusher. He will fit well as a 5-technique within Green Bay's base 3-4 scheme.


Martinez is an instinctive player with good recognition and ball-reaction skills. He has adequate range and shows very good body control and balance as a tackler. Martinez also has a great feel in coverage in terms of getting into throwing lanes and making plays on the ball. He has a chance to add depth to a linebacker corps and make an immediate impact on special teams.

[Badgerinmaine]

One common theme of the Packers draft is that most of these guys quietly tested well at the combine.
Seems that way. The consensus on Davis before the combine was that he wasn't ready for the NFL, but afterwards that he had played himself there on to the draft board. I am little concerned about the head injury he got as a KR last year.

[Badgerinmaine]

Cornerback next?

[Maxie the Taxi]

I actually liked Davis a bit. I had him ranked in my top 20 WRs. Incredible athlete, but I would have picked Adams there. I wonder why Adams has dropped all the way to the 6th round. Must be something going on there.I don't think TT was in the market for a TE, frankly. That's all I can think of.

Davis is a great pick. I see what you mean now. I mostly rely on NFL.com and some of these guys TT took eclipsed the guys NFL.com had rated higher earlier.

I still hope they draft the punter.

[Iron Mike]

http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209396649

[woodbuck27]

Dahl, Joe OG 6'4" 304 Washington St. Pick 12, Round 5 (151) Lions 5.5

Davis, Sean CB 6'1" 201 Maryland Pick 27, Round 2 (58) Steelers 5.5

and then TT's next move for the Packers future:

Davis, Trevor WR 6'1" 188 California Pick 26, Round 5 (163) Packers 4.9

Whaaaaaaaaat !

You've got to be kidding me !

This skinflint...has a 4.9 Grade and right now TT is the laughing stock of the NFL.

Isn't there anyone in the Packers War Room that can wrestle Ted Thompson to the floor? :cnf::

I just looked now and these WR's are on the Board and add three more (I believe) after TT's early 5th round pick:

Davis, Trevor WR 6'1" 188 California Pick 26, Round 5 (163) Packers 4.9 >>>

Still available at the Top of Round SIX I list 'only' 3 Dozen.:

Peake, Charone WR 6'2" 209 Clemson 5.8

Braverman, Daniel WR 5'10" 177 Western Michigan 5.4

Burbridge, Aaron WR 6'0" 206 Michigan St. 5.4

Listenbee, Kolby WR 6'0" 197 TCU 5.4

Lawler, Kenny WR 6'2" 203 California 5.4

Cajuste, Devon WR 6'4" 234 Stanford 5.4

Lee, Jay WR 6'1" 214 Baylor 5.4

Boehringer, Moritz WR 6'4" 227 5.4

Garrett, Keyarris WR 6'3" 220 Tulsa 5.3

Grant, Jakeem WR 5'6" 165 Texas Tech 5.3

Spruce, Nelson WR 6'1" 206 Colorado 5.3

Core, Cody WR 6'3" 205 Mississippi 5.3

Sharp, Hunter WR 5'11" 198 Utah St. 5.2

Williams, D'haquille WR 6'2" 229 Auburn 5.2

Marshall, Jalin WR 5'10" 200 Ohio St. 5.2

Mickens, Jaydon WR 5'11" 170 Washington 5.2

Thomas, Mike WR 6'1" 200 Southern Miss 5.2

Marshall, Byron WR 5'9" 201 Oregon 5.2

Lewis, Roger WR 6'0" 201 Bowling Green 5.1

Mathews, Mitch WR 6'5" 222 BYU 5.1

Maye, K.J. WR 5'8" 194 Minnesota 5.1

McRoberts, Paul WR 6'1" 202 Southeast Missouri St. 5.1

Russell, Alonzo WR 6'4" 206 Toledo 5.1

Williams, Dom WR 6'2" 198 Washington St. 5.1

Brown, Chris WR 6'2" 194 Notre Dame 5.1

Addison, Bralon WR 5'9" 197 Oregon 5.0

Wilson, De'Runnya WR 6'5" 224 Mississippi St. 5.0

Anderson, Robby WR 6'3" 190 Temple 5.0

Foster, D.J. WR 5'10" 193 Arizona State 5.0

Ayers, DeMarcus WR 5'9" 182 Houston 5.0

Smith, Tevaun WR 6'0" 205 Iowa 5.0

Stewart, Dez WR 6'0" 203 Ohio Dominican 4.9

Jones, Cayleb WR 6'3" 209 Arizona 4.9

McKay, Mekale WR 6'4" 207 Cincinnati 4.9

Fuller, Devin WR 6'0" 194 UCLA 4.9

Jones, Jamaal WR 6'1" 192 Montana 4.9

[HarveyWallbangers]

There went a punter.

[pbmax]

Woodbuck, where are you getting these grades from?

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, where are you getting these grades from?

NFL.COM

[beveaux1]

I actually liked Davis a bit. I had him ranked in my top 20 WRs. Incredible athlete, but I would have picked Adams there. I wonder why Adams has dropped all the way to the 6th round. Must be something going on there.

I seem to remember that Davis had a very good 40 time. Maybe this was a pick to add more deep speed. Something we sorely lacked last year.

[Rastak]

Brothers and Boehringer, Vikings had an interesting draft.

[beveaux1]

What WR was left with better deep speed?

[Strange Brew]

The Giants collect receivers like we collect defensive lineman.

[George Cumby]

NFL.COM

Consider the source, Wood, consider the source......

[Rastak]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 41s41 seconds ago
per @derek_boyko
#Eagles trade pick # 188 to Minnesota for pick # 196 in 6th round and pick # 240 in 7th round. #NFLDraft2016

[woodbuck27]

Chicago Bears Draft so far:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:6/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:b/dt-by-team-input:chi/dt-by-position-input:wr/dt-by-grade-input:6


Detroit Lions Draft so far:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:6/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:b/dt-by-team-input:det/dt-by-position-input:wr/dt-by-grade-input:6


Minnesota Vikings Draft so far:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:6/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:b/dt-by-team-input:min/dt-by-position-input:wr/dt-by-grade-input:6


Green Bay Packers Draft so far:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:6/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-name-input:b/dt-by-team-input:gb/dt-by-position-input:wr/dt-by-grade-input:6

[pbmax]

NFL.COM

OK, so you think this board, or some of the people on it, can draft better than Ted.

But when Harvey tells us that NFL.com sets its draft grades early and then they go quickly out of date without frequent updates, do you not believe him?

[woodbuck27]

This was a very happy man today:

Round 6, Pick 5 (180) Vikings ... (From 49ers) Moritz Boehringer WR 6'4" 227 5.4

The first ever European player taken in NFL history !

NFL.COM Draft Profile:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/moritz-boehringer?id=2556261

[HarveyWallbangers]

CB Maurice Canady
CB/S Jalen Mills
CB DeAndre Elliott
RB Keith Marshall
CB Kevin Seymour
OG Alex Redmond
TE Beau Sandland
OLB Dadi Nicolas
CB Kalan Reed
OLB Stephen Weatherly
S Tyvis Powell
S Kavon Frazier
OG/OC Jake Brendel
ILB Tyler Matakevich
ILB Scooby Wright
OLB James Cowser
RB Josh Ferguson
QB Jeff Driskel

WR Charone Peake and Keyarris Garrett are still there, but there's no room on the WR train.

[woodbuck27]

OK, so you think this board, or some of the people on it, can draft better than Ted.

But when Harvey tells us that NFL.com sets its draft grades early and then they go quickly out of date without frequent updates, do you not believe him?

You know what I believe pbmax:

What I can read. I believe in my gut instincts as well. I believe in my high intelligence. I believe in my experience and all things sports.

I believe in my common sence to evaluate this Vs that.

I believe in my record to too often be correct in terms of my good ability to analyze.

I'll believe what the Expert Analysts report on the success of TT's latest draft come early next week Vs the other teams in the NFL and specifically those in the NFCN.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I love the instant draft grades from the chicken littles.
Truth.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Back to back picks that I've never heard of, OG Wes Schweitzer and CB Blake Countess.

[pbmax]

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 45m45 minutes ago
Area scout Sam Seale on Kenny Clark: i believe he has the ability to help us get over the hump.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 44m44 minutes ago
Seale on 3 Pac-12 players Packers drafted: you have to be player when get here. Football is football. if you're player you're a player.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 43m43 minutes ago
Seale on ILB Martinez: smart guy, can set defense, big, physical guy, we need physical guy on inside.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 42m42 minutes ago
Seale on Martinez in nickel: at stanford he played on 3rd down, also can play special teams.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 42m42 minutes ago
Seale on WR Davis: Speed. I'm an old Raider, speed kills. Once you have speed that's all u need. Very big hands, can catch the football.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 41m41 minutes ago
Seale on Davis: last year watching games teams dared us to go deep. With this kid i don't think they'll do that.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 40m40 minutes ago
Seale on Davis: production great for how often they threw him ball They spread ball around. I think he'll be surprise for a lot of people

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 37m37 minutes ago
Seale on Clark as inside rusher: go back to soph year pretty good. held point, I can pull out film where beat man 1 on 1 and got up field.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hoping for Canady. I really liked him at the Senior Bowl and then he tested very well at the combine.

[pbmax]

JennaLaineBucs ‏@JennaLaineBucs 52s53 seconds ago
#Bengals have selected Cody Core WR Ole Miss #NFLDraft2016

The Bengals and the Chargers (I think) like my PackerDraft Challenge picks.

[woodbuck27]

What will TT do for the Packers future ...next:

We'll know within 5 minutes.

The Sixth Round to TT's Pick:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-by-round-input:6/dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-name-input:b/dt-by-team-input:chi/dt-by-position-input:wr/dt-by-grade-input:6

RB's Available:

Pressley, Jhurell RB 5'10" 206 New Mexico 5.4

Ferguson, Josh RB 5'9" 198 Illinois 5.3

Taylor, Kelvin RB 5'10" 207 Florida 5.3
J
ohnson, Devon RB 6'0" 238 Marshall 5.3

Marshall, Keith RB 5'11" 219 Georgia 5.2

Coprich, Marshaun RB 5'8" 207 Illinois St. 5.2

Carson, Tra RB 5'11" 227 Texas A&M 5.2

[pbmax]

Dak Prescott has just been outed as Tony Romo critic on Twitter. He was drafted just a while back to be Cowboys QB. :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChUVEjdUoAIkx2s.jpg:large

[Rastak]

Packer take:

14. KYLE MURPHY | Stanford 6063|305 lbs|4SR San Clemente, Calif. (San Clemente) 12/11/1993 (age 22) #78
YEAR (GP/GS) GRADE 5th Round 2012: (14/2) 2 UB MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 1/2 | Hand: 09 3/4 | Wingspan: 80 1/2 2013: (13/5) 5 UB COMBINE BP: 23 (limited workout due to left hamstring) 2014: (13/13) 13 RT PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) 2015: (14/14) 14 LT Total: (54/34) 14 LT, 13 RT, 7 UB

BACKGROUND: A five-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Murphy was courted by all of the usual suspects, committing to Stanford over USC, Florida and Oregon. He was a part-time starter as a true freshman and sophomore, starting seven games as a U-Back (extra blocker) in the Stanford scheme. Murphy started all 13 games at right tackle as a junior, earning Second Team All-Pac 12 honors. With Andrus Peat leaving for the NFL, Murphy moved to left tackle as a senior and started all 14 games in 2015, earning First Team All-Pac 12 honors. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS: Adequate body type for the position with the frame to get stronger…understands body position with the ability to pull and trap…quick-footed to hook and beat defenders to the spot…climbs with the athleticism and body control to locate and take out defenders at the second level…reliable outside the hashes, throwing his body around on stretch plays…keeps busy and shows bounce in his feet…resets well at the point of attack with strong hands to engage and secure…engages and drives his legs to move defenders in the run game…falls back on his technique, staying true to his coaching…competitive with reliable playing temperament…experienced at both left and right tackle.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal length for the edges…below average recovery quickness and struggles vs. athletic rushers in space…misjudges spacing in his kickslide with poor flexibility, struggling to protect inside run lanes…locked up hips and allows his pads to rise off the snap…can be driven backwards by bull rushers and doesn’t have the core strength to sink and anchor…overextends at the waist and falls off blocks…lacks the hand strength to corral and sustain active rushers, allowing them into his body…hands slide off targets and needs to load more ammo into his punch…inconsistent technique leads to balance issues…grabby and often caught with a fistful of jersey.

SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Stanford, Murphy did a nice job at right tackle as a junior and held his own on the left side in 2015, forming one of the best blocking combinations on the left side with Josh Garnett. He is effective when he stays square to defenders, but needs to keep his feet underneath him in space as his technique tends to break down vs. speed. Murphy has core strength, leverage and arm length issues, not playing with the required sand to halt-and-sustain rushers at the point of attack. He lacks the physical or athletic traits to make up for his lack of strength, but he has the instincts and growth potential to compete for a starting job in the NFL by year two – square positional blocker with small margin for error.

[KYPack]

I'm surprised he went this high as well, huge character risk, didn't he get a resisting arrest/fleeing the scene charge on top of everything else? That's some bad decision making there.

He's really good, I was hoping his little incident would make him be a UDFA and we'd snaggle him somehow.

The arrest and shit?

In a big city, nothing probably would have come of it.

It was stupid, but so are college kids.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Murphy is a good player. Has an injury, but I had him projected as a 4th round pick. Just didn't think they'd double dip at OT. Perhaps TT envisions one of these guys kicking inside to OG. The depth at OL could be stellar now.

Murphy was my 12th rated OT. Fits a zone scheme very well. Productive.

[pbmax]

You know what I believe pbmax:

What I can read. I believe in my gut instincts as well. I believe in my high intelligence. I believe in my experience and all things sports.

I believe in my common sence to evaluate this Vs that.

I believe in my record to too often be correct in terms of my good ability to analyze.

I'll believe what the Expert Analysts report on the success of TT's latest draft come early next week Vs the other teams in the NFL and specifically those in the NFCN.

Well, I would love to read the rest of your analysis. But your criticism of the WR pick seemed to start and end with a series of grades of other WR that were higher than Davis'. And Harvey has been talking for a while that those NFL.com grades are not well maintained.

So before we call for Ted's resignation, let's find out why you think all those other WR are better than Davis.

We should also remember that the last two Ted drafts might have been among his very best.

[woodbuck27]

24(199) Bengals Core, Cody WR 6'3" 205 Mississippi 5.3

25(200) Packers Murphy, Kyle OT 6'6" 305 Stanford 5.2

26(201) Jaguars (From Steelers) Allen, Brandon QB 6'1" 217 Arkansas 5.4

[Bretsky]

OK, so you think this board, or some of the people on it, can draft better than Ted.




OF COURSE SOME OF US CAN !! lol

[KYPack]

Be cool, Woody.

It's your annual draft day meltdown.

Screw all the charts, rankings, & ratings.

Wait til camp, then you can see what we got for Christmas.

[Bretsky]

Murphy is a good player. Has an injury, but I had him projected as a 4th round pick. Just didn't think they'd double dip at OT. Perhaps TT envisions one of these guys kicking inside to OG. The depth at OL could be stellar now.

Murphy was my 12th rated OT. Fits a zone scheme very well. Productive.


We've seen a couple times when TT prepares for a departure or two. Probably a good idea to get replacement in a year ahead

[RashanGary]

You know what I believe pbmax:

What I can read. I believe in my gut instincts as well. I believe in my high intelligence. I believe in my experience and all things sports.

I believe in my common sence to evaluate this Vs that.

I believe in my record to too often be correct in terms of my good ability to analyze.

I'll believe what the Expert Analysts report on the success of TT's latest draft come early next week Vs the other teams in the NFL and specifically those in the NFCN.

Must.....resist......saying hurtful things to a melting down Woodbuck even though it's funny

Must.....resist!!!!

[woodbuck27]

Well, I would love to read the rest of your analysis. But your criticism of the WR pick seemed to start and end with a series of grades of other WR that were higher than Davis'. And Harvey has been talking for a while that those NFL.com grades are not well maintained.

So before we call for Ted's resignation, let's find out why you think all those other WR are better than Davis.

We should also remember that the last two Ted drafts might have been among his very best.

Now your into a re-direct...I'm focusing on TT's 5th Rd. WR pick...OK.

TT made that WR pick with clearly > 3 dozen other WR's ranked higher than his guy.

Now unless you believe in one year miracles I doubt that TT's guy at WR suddenly exceeded the strengths of all of those other 3 dozen or so WR's.

TT blew that pick if he wanted help for the Packers. Other WR's were certainly more NFL ready and some as capable of a better ST effort than the skinflint he chose.

TT was likely enamoured with his speed....sold on that.

Straight line speed doesn't translate to football skill at the NFL level.

Suck it up pbmax...TT blew that pick to blazes.

[pittstang5]

That's it, right? We're done till after?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I had never heard of this 4th round TE from Princeton that Cleveland took, and thought "WTF". Then, I looked at his measurables. Great measurables. 6'4" 245, 4.68 40, 4.18 shuttle, 6.96 3 cone, 40" vertical, 125" broad jump. Notwithstanding they were measured at a Pro Day, that's the best in this TE draft class, and it's not even close. No matter how hard you try, guys fall through the cracks.

[woodbuck27]

Must.....resist......saying hurtful things to a melting down Woodbuck even though it's funny

Must.....resist!!!!

I'm never melting down JH...just too often ...capable of seeing things in a way that is stated strongly. :-)

I use my intelligence intelligently. I have every right to my views.

Agree with me or NOT doesn't change the water on the beans.

[Freak Out]

I've seen the left coast guys play but have no clue about any of the others taken. I still want to see a 3rd down change of pace guy taken in case Monty is toast.

[Bretsky]

I had never heard of this 4th round TE from Princeton that Cleveland took, and thought "WTF". Then, I looked at his measurables. Great measurables. 6'4" 245, 4.68 40, 4.18 shuttle, 6.96 3 cone, 40" vertical, 125" broad jump. Notwithstanding they were measured at a Pro Day, that's the best in this TE draft class, and it's not even close. No matter how hard you try, guys fall through the cracks.



but but..........CLEVELAND never gets those guys :)))

[RashanGary]

I'm never melting down JH...just too often ...capable of seeing things in a way that is stated strongly. :-)

I use my intelligence intelligently. I have every right to my views.

Agree with me or NOT doesn't change the water on the beans.

Good, it's not worth it :). I stopped trusting my all powerful intelligence the year I hated the Matthews pick and then Matthews became our best defensive player drafted in decades. From then forward it was, "in ted I trust"

[woodbuck27]

Be cool, Woody.

It's your annual draft day meltdown.

Screw all the charts, rankings, & ratings.

Wait til camp, then you can see what we got for Christmas.

TT pisses me off...a lot.

of course your correct KYPack...I'll be fine by next Wednesday...or Thursday....or Friday....... :-)

[Badgerinmaine]

I think Ted is out to pick up a Pac-12 all star team this year :-)

[mraynrand]

Wait til camp, then you can see what we got for Christmas.

yup

[woodbuck27]

Good, it's not worth it :). I stopped trusting my all powerful intelligence the year I hated the Matthews pick and then Matthews became our best defensive player drafted in decades. From then forward it was, "in ted I trust"

Good for you JH.

[Bretsky]

I like all of the info Woody shares as well as Harv's info. Gives us two sets of players to look at. Since TT hardly ever cuts his own draft picks, and hightly doubtful he'll cut the Fresno Fraud, either Janis or Abby are probably toast

[Cheesehead Craig]

Now your into a re-direct...I'm focusing on TT's 5th Rd. WR pick...OK.

TT made that WR pick with clearly > 3 dozen other WR's ranked higher than his guy.

Now unless you believe in one year miracles I doubt that TT's guy at WR suddenly exceeded the strengths of all of those other 3 dozen or so WR's.

TT blew that pick if he wanted help for the Packers. Other WR's were certainly more NFL ready and some as capable of a better ST effort than the skinflint he chose.

TT was likely enamoured with his speed....sold on that.

Straight line speed doesn't translate to football skill at the NFL level.

Suck it up pbmax...TT blew that pick to blazes.

By that logic the teams that have also blown their picks for a WR are: Texans, Rams, Patriots, Dolphins, Browns, Chiefs, Bills, Titans, Vikings, Bengals & Ravens as they have all selected a WR with a grade that was lower than Charone Peake who has a 5.8 rating by NFL.com.

Will you also now be condemning those GMs as well?

[Badgerinmaine]

The Bengals' SB Nation page thought Murphy might look good in orange and black. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/4/27/11486102/2016-nfl-draft-profile-stanford-offensive-lineman-kyle-murphy

[Striker]

Remember that year the Packers took some scrub named Greg Jennings instead of the future All Pro Chad Jackson?

[beveaux1]

Well, if the NFL starts and ends with the big guys, we had a big draft. Two OL, two DL, two LBs, and a very speedy WR. If we needed to get bigger, we did it. I don't care what the "experts" say about our draft. I'll give it a few years and decide for myself.

[Bretsky]

Remember that year the Packers took some scrub named Greg Jennings instead of the future All Pro Chad Jackson?

And Devonte Adams over Allan Robinson

[woodbuck27]

By that logic the teams that have also blown their picks for a WR are: Texans, Rams, Patriots, Dolphins, Browns, Chiefs, Bills, Titans, Vikings, Bengals & Ravens as they have all selected a WR with a grade that was lower than Charone Peake who has a 5.8 rating by NFL.com.

Will you also now be condemning those GMs as well?

Dear God....I'll not insult or initiate a duel with you:duel: ... rather I'll be patient with your counter argument:

OK..... I'll try it this way:

Think about TT's position relative to what he picked at WR relevant to the 36-39 WR's he might rather have selected.

[beveaux1]

I like all of the info Woody shares as well as Harv's info. Gives us two sets of players to look at. Since TT hardly ever cuts his own draft picks, and hightly doubtful he'll cut the Fresno Fraud, either Janis or Abby are probably toast

Janis and Abby are TTs draft picks, too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dean Lowry is tied with Datone Jones for best athlete at DE that Thompson has taken.
Jason Spriggs is the most athletic OL that Thompson has taken.
Trevor Davis is the third most athletic WR that Thompson has taken behind Terrence Murphy and Jeff Janis.

Mind you, this is based on measurables at the combine, and I fully acknowledge that sometimes guys don't play as well as they time. I find it interesting nonetheless. The rest of the guys kind of fit Thompson's wheelhouse for athleticism. The two LBs are right in the middle of the players that Thompson has taken. Since Martinez is about the same in this draft class, there's nothing to read from that. Thompson usually goes for guys that are near the top athletically at OLB. Clark is right in the middle. Athletically, he's pretty similar to Raji (although Raji was much bigger) and Josh Boyd. Yet, Clark ranked near the top among this draft class for 3-4 NTs. Some of the other guys though projected more as 3-4 DEs but I have them listed as DTs. Murphy didn't test because of an injury. It's rare that Thompson takes somebody that wasn't able to test at all.

[Bretsky]

Janis and Abby are TTs draft picks, too.

Talking rookie draft picks; they are 2 years aged and we won't keep 7 WR's

[Carolina_Packer]

Murphy is a good player. Has an injury, but I had him projected as a 4th round pick. Just didn't think they'd double dip at OT. Perhaps TT envisions one of these guys kicking inside to OG. The depth at OL could be stellar now.

Murphy was my 12th rated OT. Fits a zone scheme very well. Productive.

Spriggs is a lock of course, but if a guy like Murphy can come in and compete for a roster spot and wins it, the depth is better than Barclay and Walker, which is a huge plus given what happened with the starting tackles last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like all of the info Woody shares as well as Harv's info. Gives us two sets of players to look at. Since TT hardly ever cuts his own draft picks, and hightly doubtful he'll cut the Fresno Fraud, either Janis or Abby are probably toast

This makes no sense since Janis and Abby were also drafted by Thompson. He's going to have to cut one of his own guys, since they are all his own guys and he's not going to keep 7 WRs.

EDIT: I didn't understand what Bretsky was originally getting at, but he means cutting rookies. Not's not entirely true. Didn't he cut two guys last year?

[Joemailman]

This makes no sense since Janis and Abby were also drafted by Thompson. He's going to have to cut one of his own guys, since they are all his own guys and he's not going to keep 7 WRs.

EDIT: I didn't understand what Bretsky was originally getting at, but he means cutting rookies. Not's not entirely true. Didn't he cut two guys last year?

B meant rookie draft picks. And he's right. TT's picks in the 1st 6 rounds almost always make the team as a rookie.

[Teamcheez1]

This makes no sense since Janis and Abby were also drafted by Thompson. He's going to have to cut one of his own guys, since they are all his own guys and he's not going to keep 7 WRs.

EDIT: I didn't understand what Bretsky was originally getting at, but he means cutting rookies. Not's not entirely true. Didn't he cut two guys last year?

I doubt we make it through training camp with all receivers healthy. That choice will probably be made for him.

Also, as much as some like Abby, he is definitely on the chopping block as the bottom part of the roster is turned over.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My initial thought is that this is going to be a good draft. Sure, at each pick there were some guys that I liked better (except the Spriggs pick), but everybody was pretty much on my short list. Could be the kiss of death though--since my gut feeling on players that TT picks at draft time is often wrong.

[Striker]

And Devonte Adams over Allan Robinson

They had equivalent first years, and Robinson shot ahead in year 2. The book isn't quite closed on this one yet (unlike the Jennings/Jackson debate) though it doesn't look good after the first two seasons.

Really, it just shows that what the hell do we know one minute after the pick is made? We can use "expert analysis" from those who are employed by sports networks and not the teams themselves but these early grades are all meaningless.

[beveaux1]

I doubt we make it through training camp with all receivers healthy. That choice will probably be made for him.

Also, as much as some like Abby, he is definitely on the chopping block as the bottom part of the roster is turned over.

I agree, unless Davis agrees to the practice squad.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Baltimore took Canady soon after the Packers picked.

[Rutnstrut]

The German dude the Vikes took will be a better player than Ted's latest WR bust.

[mraynrand]

The German dude the Vikes took will be a better player than Ted's latest WR bust.

oh boy

[mraynrand]

Really, it just shows that what the hell do we know one minute after the pick is made? We can use "expert analysis" from those who are employed by sports networks and not the teams themselves but these early grades are all meaningless.

QFT

[Carolina_Packer]

Trevor Davis might be an insurance policy for Ty Montgomery, in case he struggles coming back. They have some similar skill sets.

The other thought that I had was that they were going to possible expand Janis' role and perhaps try and move him out of KR duties and saw Davis is a guy who could take his place.

[pbmax]

Now your into a re-direct...I'm focusing on TT's 5th Rd. WR pick...OK.

TT made that WR pick with clearly > 3 dozen other WR's ranked higher than his guy.

Now unless you believe in one year miracles I doubt that TT's guy at WR suddenly exceeded the strengths of all of those other 3 dozen or so WR's.

TT blew that pick if he wanted help for the Packers. Other WR's were certainly more NFL ready and some as capable of a better ST effort than the skinflint he chose.

TT was likely enamoured with his speed....sold on that.

Straight line speed doesn't translate to football skill at the NFL level.

Suck it up pbmax...TT blew that pick to blazes.

Pro scouts do not spend a ton of time on juniors because they do not know which are coming out early (except the the very best). So grades a year out are useless, moreso from the media experts. It takes an NFL team all season and the beginning of the offseason to finish scouting the seniors and juniors who declare. So your claim that someone who climbs a draft board be a one year wonder is kind of silly.

To claim that there were 3 dozen better is ludicrous and based on poor information if you judge by the NFL.com grades. Not even the draft experts here would make that claim.

You say Ted blew this pick. Alright, we'll keep track of those 3 dozen others and see who has a better career.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 48m48 minutes ago
Thompson on Murphy: "We liked him a lot. We had several guys go out to the West Coast and Stanford. He's a big man who plays the game well."

Jersey Al - GBP ‏@JerseyAlGBP 47m47 minutes ago
Murphy's main issue is sloppy footwork, but he has all the other tools to be an eventual starter.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 46m46 minutes ago
Thompson on Trevor Davis: "His catching in the pro days and Indy and all that is very impressive."

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 47m47 minutes ago
Thompson on Lowry: leader, "100 percent guy." ... Blue-collar. More you watched, the more you liked.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 46m46 minutes ago
Thompson thinks Martinez can be three-down guy. Started off saying Murphy will start off at OT. A Campen favorite.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 46m46 minutes ago
Thompson: "You don't have to be big to play in the NFL, but it helps. And we were able to get some bigs on both sides of the ball."

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 46m46 minutes ago
Might this be a dominant team? "I'm not ready to proclaim anything ... it's a little silly." Other 31 teams trying too.

Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 45m45 minutes ago
Thompson thinks he added "quality people" to the team.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 44m44 minutes ago
Thompson: "It's a physical game, but it's also a smart guy's game. We think we've added some quality people to our organization."

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 44m44 minutes ago
Thompson: "When it was our turn to go, we felt like we picked the best player available." #PackersDraft

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 41m41 minutes ago
Thompson thinks this group of draft picks will be "extraordinary" when it comes to understanding the game and mental capacity.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 41m41 minutes ago
#Packers GM Ted Thompson said the football acumen of the group he just drafted is "extraordinary."

Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood 39m39 minutes ago
TT not closing door on Mike Neal: "Lot of different things that could happen over the course of the offseason that could change things."

Mike Chappell ‏@mchappell51 41m41 minutes ago
Irsay told media Colts had Clay Matthews on 2009 1st-round card at 27. Packers jumped ahead w/NE trade. Matthews gone. Hello Donald Brown.

[Teamcheez1]

The German dude the Vikes took will be a better player than Ted's latest WR bust.

I can't believe we didn't take advantage of the German pipeline for wide receivers. The German engineering is hard to beat.

[Striker]

You say Ted blew this pick. Alright, we'll keep track of those 3 dozen others and see who has a better career.

Nope. Unacceptable. We must judge Thompson's picks right now. After all, he's the only GM in the history of the NFL that has ever made a bad draft pick.

[Joemailman]

Pro scouts do not spend a ton of time on juniors because they do not know which are coming out early (except the the very best). So grades a year out are useless, moreso from the media experts. It takes an NFL team all season and the beginning of the offseason to finish scouting the seniors and juniors who declare. So your claim that someone who climbs a draft board be a one year wonder is kind of silly.

To claim that there were 3 dozen better is ludicrous and based on poor information if you judge by the NFL.com grades. Not even the draft experts here would make that claim.

You say Ted blew this pick. Alright, we'll keep track of those 3 dozen others and see who has a better career.

Draft Insider, which waits until just before the draft to put their rankings together, had Davis as the #27 WR, and a 6th round value.


Trevor Davis
School: California
Position: WR
Positive: Part-time starter the past 2 seasons also used to return kicks. Recorded a career-best 40 receptions, 672 yards and 2 TDs as a senior. Athletic receiver prospect with an inconsistent game. Uses the sidelines well, nicely adjusts to the errant throw and plays heads-up football. Consistently extends to make the reception away from his frame. Competitive, keeps the play in bounds and always working to pick up positive yardage.
Negative: Does not display consistent hands, does not always come away with the difficult reception and has throws bouncing off his hands. Must improve his route running.
Analysis: Davis is a talented prospect who's slowly turning his athletic ability into football skill. His return skills could help him catch hold of a roster spot where he'll also lineup as a 5th receiver.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Dear God....I'll not insult or initiate a duel with you:duel: ... rather I'll be patient with your counter argument:

OK..... I'll try it this way:

Think about TT's position relative to what he picked at WR relevant to the 36-39 WR's he might rather have selected.

So your whole argument is based solely on the NFL.com grades. No actual film study or other reasonable argument. Gotcha. Oh, and still waiting on the condemnation of the other GMs that blew their WR picks from my previous post.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Way back in March I summarized what I felt we needed to improve:


1 * Allow the Packers to become an elite pass rushing defense
2 * Improve OL and better protect AROD
3 * Improve our ability to stretch the field vertically, both from the TE and WR positions
4 * Add a fast, tough ILB who will enable Clay to move back to OLB
5 * Improve 3rd down and Red Zone offense by adding a pass catching, change of pace RB
6 * Improve our KR and PR games
7* Increase team speed


Analysis:
1* This draft didn't make us an elite pass rushing defense, but it improved us considerably. All four defensive draft picks are either good pass rushers and/or free up other pass rushers on the defense like Clay.

2* We definitely improved our OL by adding quality depth and competition.

3* WR Davis is a quality field stretcher. Add in FA TE Cook and we're improved. Get guys back from injuries and we might be great. Arod has to be pleased.

4* Martinez is not Ragland or Jones, but he's got the potential to be better than anyone we have. Clay can now move to the outside.

5* We didn't draft a pass catching, change of pace RB, but maybe TT feels Crockett is the man.

6* Davis appears to be an upgrade to our KR/PR game. Plus, Fackrell is supposed to be a good special teams player.

7* We're not going to be the fastest team in the league because of this draft, but we'll be faster with Davis pushing the WR's and Cook at TE.

All in all, drafting at #27, I think TT did a great job. I'm looking forward to the season and thinking Super Bowl.

[Rastak]

The German dude the Vikes took will be a better player than Ted's latest WR bust.

That guy is a HUGE question mark. If he is, great!

I'm not counting on it.

[Guiness]

Murphy is a good player. Has an injury, but I had him projected as a 4th round pick. Just didn't think they'd double dip at OT. Perhaps TT envisions one of these guys kicking inside to OG. The depth at OL could be stellar now.

Murphy was my 12th rated OT. Fits a zone scheme very well. Productive.

Could these guys play inside? Both are 6'6", seems kind of tall. Sitton/Lang at 6'3" and 6'4"

[mraynrand]

Dean Lowry is tied with Datone Jones for best athlete at DE that Thompson has taken.
Jason Spriggs is the most athletic OL that Thompson has taken.
Trevor Davis is the third most athletic WR that Thompson has taken behind Terrence Murphy and Jeff Janis.

Mind you, this is based on measurables at the combine, and I fully acknowledge that sometimes guys don't play as well as they time. I find it interesting nonetheless. The rest of the guys kind of fit Thompson's wheelhouse for athleticism. The two LBs are right in the middle of the players that Thompson has taken. Since Martinez is about the same in this draft class, there's nothing to read from that. Thompson usually goes for guys that are near the top athletically at OLB. Clark is right in the middle. Athletically, he's pretty similar to Raji (although Raji was much bigger) and Josh Boyd. Yet, Clark ranked near the top among this draft class for 3-4 NTs. Some of the other guys though projected more as 3-4 DEs but I have them listed as DTs. Murphy didn't test because of an injury. It's rare that Thompson takes somebody that wasn't able to test at all.

Nice analysis. Thanks Harv for everything you've posted. Big part of a good draft experience on Packerrats.

[mraynrand]

That guy is a HUGE question mark. If he is, great!

I'm not counting on it.

Every draft has some workout/measurables heroes. This guy is that, but he could be more. Won't know until you know!

[Guiness]

Ryan Wood ‏@ByRyanWood 39m39 minutes ago
TT not closing door on Mike Neal: "Lot of different things that could happen over the course of the offseason that could change things."


I'd be all kinds of surprised if Neal were to come back, even moreso now with two new DL bodies in the draft. There doesn't seem to be any interest in him, I didn't hear anything about him having visits in FA at all, which surprises me a little.

[Joemailman]

Could these guys play inside? Both are 6'6", seems kind of tall. Sitton/Lang at 6'3" and 6'4"

Gutekunst said Spriggs bends well so he thought his height would not prevent him from playing inside. Still, TT didn't trade away 2 picks to move up in the 2nd round to draft a guy to play Guard.

CBS did mention this about Murphy:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1996543/kyle-murphy


He is very effective, on the other hand, as a drive blocker, showing surprising flexibility to get under the pads of opponents and impressive leg drive to consistently move the pile.

I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a look at Guard.

[Guiness]

No Packer pick in the 7th round. No THAT surprises me. TT definitely does not follow a plan
and some posters think he is predictable.

[Guiness]

Award for the worst draft this year has to be Dallas. I can only assume their illustrius GM (JJ is still the official GM, right?) exerted his authority and did just what he pleased.

RB in top 5? Medical redshirt in 2nd? Collins? Dunno. Prescott is interesting at least, I wonder what Romo will say to him regarding his Twitter tirade a while back...


Dak Prescott
‏@15_DakP
No! He doesn't finish & None of those INTs were Bc of the O-line. #noexcuses

Nah Jacey!! You're suppose to Throw it over the guys head. That was the most embarrassing one of them all. #stoptakingupforhim

lol!

[Joemailman]

No Packer pick in the 7th round. No THAT surprises me. TT definitely does not follow a plan
and some posters think he is predictable.

TT traded away his 7th last year too. I'm okay with it. TT hasn't really come up with the kind of 7th round steals that Wolf did (Tauscher, Timmerman, Driver).

[KYPack]

TT pisses me off...a lot.

of course your correct KYPack...I'll be fine by next Wednesday...or Thursday....or Friday....... :-)

Well yeah, everybody has their draft day ritual.

I gave up all my lists and pre draft lookin' after the 2007 draft.

Now, I use the draft to learn the new kids names.

Also, thx to the Moose, B-Man, Harve, PB and all the draftniks.

I don't read the sites, I just come to the Rat nest for my draft info.

[Rastak]

Well yeah, everybody has their draft day ritual.

I gave up all my lists and pre draft lookin' after the 2007 draft.

Now, I use the draft to learn the new kids names.

Also, thx to the Moose, B-Man, Harve, PB and all the draftniks.

I don't read the sites, I just come to the Rat nest for my draft info.


Awesome KY. I was a late bloomer, but also adopted your way. I usually get a draft guide right before the draft to look guys up but really it's just me absorbing the prospects through osmosis of listening to NFL radio to know who I *think* I want. Guys like Harv and others who pour over this stuff do a good service because as the Brits would say, I can't be arsed to do it myself.

[Rastak]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 52s52 seconds ago
And with last pick in last round, Tennessee makes Southern Miss DB Kalan Reed this year's Mr. Irrelevant.


And with that gentleman, the 2016 draft has come to a close......let the BS grading and judging begin!

Hell, I like reading them!

[Joemailman]

Who's gonna start the UDFA thread?

[pbmax]

I will help fill it in, but I am busy giving each of the draft picks their own thread so we an make ourselves look foolish in two years.

[Joemailman]

Maybe Harv will come up with a best available list from his info.

[pbmax]

Jeff Potrykus ‏@jaypo1961 54s54 seconds ago
Former #Badgers LB Schobert said Browns will work him at outside and inside backer to see where he fits.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DAM; I wanted Schoebert to go to GB or NE so he's win a SB. He went to the flippin Browns

Interesting tidbit about Schobert is that he walked on at Wisconsin. The only scholarship offer he got was from North Dakota. UND Fighting Sioux, not the NDSU Bison though.

[Pugger]

Maybe injury or character concern that we don't know about?? The bengals took him. I'm guessing it's character.

I heard the reason Billings fell was because teams felt he was a good run stuffer but not so hot a pass rusher.

[Pugger]

Good Christ, Billings has more shake than Clark... you can see it on the tape.

Then why did he slide so far down?

[Pugger]

His last two picks = BUSTS !

I start out every Draft optimistic. Tring my best to believe this time TT will have it together.

By this time on Saturday I usually feel the same:

Pissed off !

Wouldn't it be prudent to wait and see if they can play before declaring them busts?

[Pugger]

Nope. Unacceptable. We must judge Thompson's picks right now. After all, he's the only GM in the history of the NFL that has ever made a bad draft pick.

And God help him if TT takes a kid in the 5th round that isn't a future HOFer. :roll:

Honestly, it is ridiculous for some of you to bitch about a player declaring him to be a bust before he is assigned a locker and jersey number.

[woodbuck27]

Well yeah, everybody has their draft day ritual.

I gave up all my lists and pre draft lookin' after the 2007 draft.

Now, I use the draft to learn the new kids names.

Also, thx to the Moose, B-Man, Harve, PB and all the draftniks.

I don't read the sites, I just come to the Rat nest for my draft info.

KYPack do you need lists and magazines etc. when there are good NFL Draft Expertise sites that have done so much to prepare any football fan to grasp the Draft and just maybe have even a hunch as to when their teams GM has made a dramatic 'REACH'?

Here are just a few of the decent sites:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker

and

www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker

and

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/62293/71/live-2016-nfl-draft-tracker

and

http://www.drafttek.com/

are just some of them.

I'm just at this time reviewing the results of NFL.Com's Expert Draft analysts Grading of all NFL teams results in this 2016 Draft.

Here's a Draft Grade for the Packers from NFL.com. The man giving this review is very experience and competent.

Green Bay Packers

Draft picks: Kenny Clark (No. 27 overall), Jason Spriggs (No. 48 overall), Kyler Fackrell (No. 88 overall), Blake Martinez (No. 131), Dean Lowry (No. 137), Trevor Davis (No. 163), Kyle Murphy (No. 200)

Day 1 grade: B+
Day 2 grade: B
Day 3 grade: B+

Overall grade: B+

The skinny: There wasn't much question that the Packers were going to bolster their front seven with their opening pick. Another no-brainer will be fan comparisons of the careers of their selection, Clark, and two available Alabama studs: linebacker Reggie Ragland and nose tackle Jarran Reed.

Green Bay desperately needed help at the tackle position, and trading up for Spriggs filled that hole. It was an atypical move for Ted Thompson, giving up a mid-round choice for a nine-spot move upwards. Fackrell has good potential to help rush the passer on the outside.

The Packers needed an inside linebacker, and they got one with athleticism and intelligence in Martinez. Lowry is a five-technique who will be part of the rotation. Davis is a probable returner who showed the best hands at the combine. Murphy gives more depth at the tackle, though fans are hoping the team gets a good tight end as an undrafted free agent.

[woodbuck27]

Then why did he slide so far down?

Because he's being thought of as 'only' a two down guy.

Mike Mayock informed us of that today.

[woodbuck27]

Wouldn't it be prudent to wait and see if they can play before declaring them busts?

Did you take some time to read any reviews of that particular WR?

If you did you would be aware that he's not considered ready (or nearly so) to be more than a 6th WR. His value may lie in some potential (with straight line speed?) I really wonder ...to return kicks.

Do you as the Packer GM invest your 5th Rd. pick on that guy?

I felt that TT had plenty more and far better options.

and I'm also softening to that pick.....................somewhat. Of course I want this WR prospect to do great in TC.

[woodbuck27]

Who's gonna start the UDFA thread?

I'm going there right now to see what they decided to bring in...and who agreed to a try out.

[Bretsky]

Just got back from the Hall of Fame induction for BO RYAN and DONALD DRIVER

What did we trade our 7th round pick for ?????????????

[woodbuck27]

Just got back from the Hall of Fame induction for BO RYAN and DONALD DRIVER

What did we trade our 7th round pick for ?????????????

That 7th Rd. pick was a part of the deal TT made with Indy to move up in Rd. 2.

He traded our 2nd... 4th and 7th to move up in Rd. 2.

I added all the Draft Trades to the Draft Thread I believe B. I'll get that for you:

Here it is:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-all-the-moves

2016 NFL Draft trade tracker: Details of all the moves

NFL.com

Published: April 28, 2016 at 06:31 p.m. Updated: April 30, 2016 at 07:12 p.m.


This guy WR Trevor Davis looks better to me now:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=94826&draftyear=2016&genpos=WR

That 7th Rd. pick was a part of the deal TT made with Indy to move up in Rd. 2.

[Pugger]

Did you take some time to read any reviews of that particular WR?

If you did you would be aware that he's not considered ready (or nearly so) to be more than a 6th WR. His value may lie in some potential (with straight line speed?) I really wonder ...to return kicks.

Do you as the Packer GM invest your 5th Rd. pick on that guy?

I felt that TT had plenty more and far better options.

and I'm also softening to that pick.....................somewhat. Of course I want this WR prospect to do great in TC.

Me? A GM? :lol: I'm the last person qualified for that job and I suspect the rest of us here are equally qualified.

I usually do not pay much attention to the "experts" reviews on these young players because often they are wrong. I remember back in 2008 there were many who thought Brian Brohm was gonna push Aaron Rodgers for the starting job! I found the speed of the WR Ted took intriguing. Didn't we all bemoan the lack of speed in our WR corps last year with Jordy gone and Janis so green? I don't find using a 5th rounder on a kid like Davis a huge investment. He might be the next Donald Driver. Ya never know.

[Guiness]

Just got back from the Hall of Fame induction for BO RYAN and DONALD DRIVER

What did we trade our 7th round pick for ?????????????

Part of the trade to move up in the 2nd and get Springs.


PACKERS get:
2016 Rd. 2 (No. 48): OT Jason Spriggs

COLTS get:
2016 Rd. 2 (No. 57): DB T.J. Green
2016 Rd. 4 (No. 125): LB Antonio Morrison
2016 Rd. 7 (No. 248): C Austin Blythe

[KYPack]

Interesting tidbit about Schobert is that he walked on at Wisconsin. The only scholarship offer he got was from North Dakota. UND Fighting Sioux, not the NDSU Bison though.

I thought the U of ND was going to change their name to the Fighting Sue or Suzy so the Indians couldn't yell at 'em.