Mike McCarthy Is On The Hot Seat

[pbmax]

except that he probably isn't.

In an article that does its level best to ratchet up public pressure on the Packer's Head Coach, it starts with a familiar list of complaints. The HC has only collected one Super Bowl, lots of last minute playoff failure, a lost year on offense, hitting the 10 year mark, pressure from being status quo for so long and a very certain statement on rumors of McCarthy's displeasure with Thompson's GM methods.

It then its the presentation by subverting the premise of the entire article by saying this pressure is unlike those about to be canned and he one day might rank with Holmgren, Lambeau and Lombardi.

Offseason fodder, nothing more or less.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/27/mike-mccarthy-green-bay-packers-nfl-coaches

However, Don Banks is a pretty routine, blasé reporter. He's not a bomb thrower. He's much more Silverstein than McGinn. But that mention of friction between M3 and T2 not only repeats it, but labels it a persistent storyline.

McGinn's version of this (the only other known published version of the story that I am aware of) was lacking in specifics and sourcing. The source was familiar with the team and M3 ad could have simply been an agent repeating scuttlebutt.

But "persistent storyline" means its making the rounds of reporters at least. So is it a manufactured rumor that has simply not been knokcked down yet, or is the smoke before the fire?

[Freak Out]

Every coach is on the hot seat right?

[Joemailman]

I wonder what TT thinks of Capers. 3 years in a row the defense has failed at the end of a playoff game after the offense had tied the game. I wonder if there's any friction between TT and MM regarding Capers. (Tossing Wist a softball here.)

[wist43]

No, MM is not on the hotseat...

1) he is a good offensive coach, and good overall head coach
2) he prefers a finesse style of football, and so does TT - it is that preference for finesse that is more problematic than the other things that have led to collapses
3) on the defensive side of the football, which MM is generally hands-off with, dunderdummy can't play soft enough - which is also TT's preference

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None of these guys are going anywhere anytime soon... all 3 guys are in complete agreement philosophically; and, all 3 guys are generally good at their jobs (although dunderdummy has a flesh eating worm running around in his brain - which leads to stupidity of monumental proportions). Add it up, and they are triplets joined at the hip.

10-6 is always good enough for these guys - if they stumble into a championship like '10, yaaaaayyyyy!!! Then right back to the turtle, finesse approach.

The clock is ticking on Rodgers, and Matthews is on the downside now; Nelson is 31... we don't have any other elite players at any position - that's TT's fault.

[pbmax]

I wonder what TT thinks of Capers. 3 years in a row the defense has failed at the end of a playoff game after the offense had tied the game. I wonder if there's any friction between TT and MM regarding Capers. (Tossing Wist a softball here.)

The last one was somewhat forgivable with a rookie CB who had played exceedingly well blew an assignment. That is right up draft and development alley. And his position coach is one of the best on the team.

[Carolina_Packer]

Urinalism at its finest. These kinds of stories speculate quite a bit. So, if some source, alleges the point about McCarthy being weary of Thompson's methods of team building to be true, then someone else writing a piece like this will quote the alleged point, but not source it. Lazy and speculative.

[gbgary]

more re-manufactured than manufactured. his "hot seat" days are behind him. this team has huge turn over so there's no 'message lost'. mm can't be held responsible for injuries or talent. if anyone's seat is the least bit warm i'd say it's tt.

[wist43]

more re-manufactured than manufactured. his "hot seat" days are behind him. this team has huge turn over so there's no 'message lost'. mm can't be held responsible for injuries or talent. if anyone's seat is the least bit warm i'd say it's tt.

None of these guys is going anywhere - until they decide to leave. 10-6 in perpetuity is good enough for the Packers organization.

How many impact players, i.e. elite level players has TT drafted?? Rodgers is it... Jordy is just below that, and Clay a slight level below that.

I know the homers will say it is b/c we always draft in the 20's, but that doesn't fly... Seattle managed to find a basket full of impact players after the 1st round. How good would Bobby Wagner (2nd round) look in Green and Gold?? or Cam Chancellor (5th round), or Richard Sherman (5th round)??

Richard Sherman was pick #154 - Ted took TE DJ Williams with pick #141 in the 2011 draft

Cam Chancellor was pick #133 - Ted traded his 3rd and 4th round picks to move up 15 spots in the 3rd round to take Morgan Burnett. In the 5th round TT took TE Andrew Quarless.

Bobby Wagner was pick #47 - Ted spent a first round pick on Nick Perry, pick #28; then used pick #51 on DT Jerel Worthy.

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Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but TT really isn't all he's cracked up to be.

He's only hit on a few guys over the course of 11 years. If he hadn't departed from his myopic approach to roster building during '10 season, i.e. by signing Woodson, Pickett, and Greene - we wouldn't have lucked out and won the SB that year.

I believe it was Ron Wolfe who coined the phrase, "a fart in the wind", lol...

We're playoff contenders every year, but I don't consider our team overall to be at the level necessary to seriously contend for the SB.

[Patler]

You have to give TT credit for Collins as an impact player. Possibly Finley, had he stayed healthy. Sitton, for as much as a guard can be an impact player. Lang is close, for as much as a guard can be. Lacy was very much an impact player as a rookie when he carried a lot of the offense with Rodgers out, I'm not sure what he is now. As a second/third year player, Bulaga was being talked about as being among the best RTs in the league. That is an impact. Injuries have changed him.

Thereafter, it depends on your standard for impact. However, on this board it is clear that as to equal players, the nonPacker is an impact player and the Packer is JAG.

[wist43]

You have to give TT credit for Collins as an impact player. Possibly Finley, had he stayed healthy. Sitton, for as much as a guard can be an impact player. Lang is close, for as much as a guard can be. Lacy was very much an impact player as a rookie when he carried a lot of the offense with Rodgers out, I'm not sure what he is now. As a second/third year player, Bulaga was being talked about as being among the best RTs in the league. That is an impact. Injuries have changed him.

Thereafter, it depends on your standard for impact. However, on this board it is clear that as to equal players, the nonPacker is an impact player and the Packer is JAG.

I certainly don't consider Sitton and Lang impact players - they're good, but that's about it. I agree on Collins and Finley, but they weren't around long enough... another guy I would add to that level just below elite would Greg Jennings.

So that brings us back to Rodgers, Nelson, and Matthews.

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So by my count, that would be 1 impact player (Rodgers), and 5 very good players (Collins, Finley, Jennings, Matthews, Nelson).

Perhaps that should have been enough to get us at least 1 more title in TT's 11 year run - but alas, he refuses to fix major holes on the roster, and we end up limping thru season after season with a pretty big, exploitable flaw somewhere on the field. The question always comes back to - if TT had only filled a hole here and there, would we have won more championships?? We'll never know - what we know is that we got 1 in '10, and it's likely that is going to be it for Rodgers career.

[Upnorth]

I certainly don't consider Sitton and Lang impact players - they're good, but that's about it. I agree on Collins and Finley, but they weren't around long enough... another guy I would add to that level just below elite would Greg Jennings.

So that brings us back to Rodgers, Nelson, and Matthews.

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So by my count, that would be 1 impact player (Rodgers), and 5 very good players (Collins, Finley, Jennings, Matthews, Nelson).

Perhaps that should have been enough to get us at least 1 more title in TT's 11 year run - but alas, he refuses to fix major holes on the roster, and we end up limping thru season after season with a pretty big, exploitable flaw somewhere on the field. The question always comes back to - if TT had only filled a hole here and there, would we have won more championships?? We'll never know - what we know is that we got 1 in '10, and it's likely that is going to be it for Rodgers career.

Collins, Matthews, Nelson, Finley are just very good? They are or were top 5 at their position consistently. As to Lang and Sitton, they are as well. You not even labeling them as very good, when you are hard pressed to find 10 better players in the league tells me you don't understand how to identify an oline players quality. For some one who likes 'tough' football players, you just threw some of the toughest in the league under the bus.
I acknowledge TT has not been good on the defensive drafting.

[Patler]

Sitton went what, two and a half years without giving up a sacK? Yup, no impact player there on a team that lives by the pass.

[George Cumby]

*Yawn*

We need another shit stirrer in addition to Wist. I appreciate his contrarian view but we need a new set of opposing argument to spice this place up.

[wist43]

Sitton went what, two and a half years without giving up a sacK? Yup, no impact player there on a team that lives by the pass.

Sitton is a "very good" pass blocker - which is all the Packers really care about - while he is just an average, probably below average run blocker.

No, that does not cut the mustard to being an overall "very good" player. He is a good player.

Lang is a notch below Sitton, maybe a slightly better run blocker...

[wist43]

Collins, Matthews, Nelson, Finley are just very good? They are or were top 5 at their position consistently. As to Lang and Sitton, they are as well. You not even labeling them as very good, when you are hard pressed to find 10 better players in the league tells me you don't understand how to identify an oline players quality. For some one who likes 'tough' football players, you just threw some of the toughest in the league under the bus.
I acknowledge TT has not been good on the defensive drafting.

Of Collins, Matthews, Nelson, and Finley - the only one I'd consider for "elite" status would be Nelson. Collins would make that category if his career hadn't ended so abruptly. Matthews isn't elite - and of course age is now becoming a factor for him.

[Patler]

Sitton is a "very good" pass blocker - which is all the Packers really care about - while he is just an average, probably below average run blocker.

No, that does not cut the mustard to being an overall "very good" player. He is a good player.

Lang is a notch below Sitton, maybe a slightly better run blocker...

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

[Fritz]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.


If only Thompson and McCarthy didn't enjoy having soft teams so much!

[Joemailman]

Of Collins, Matthews, Nelson, and Finley - the only one I'd consider for "elite" status would be Nelson. Collins would make that category if his career hadn't ended so abruptly. Matthews isn't elite - and of course age is now becoming a factor for him.

This whole thing started with you saying Rodgers is the only elite player that TT has drafted. So now you're saying that Collins wasn't an elite player because James Stewart landed on his head and ended his career? After Collins went to 3 straight Pro Bowls and helped the Packers win the Super Bowl by returning an INT for a TD? Oh wait. I forgot. The Super Bowl doesn't count. That was just luck.

[Zool]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

How many turnovers does he have? Passes broken up? Touchdowns?

Only skill position players who are the top 2 in the league are good enough picks. Anything less is average at best.

[pbmax]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

[Joemailman]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

Has any coach had as many near-misses in the playoffs as MM? 2007, 2009, 2013-2015. 4 OT losses and 1 regulation game where SF won on the last play of the game.

[pbmax]

Has any coach had as many near-misses in the playoffs as MM? 2007, 2009, 2013-2015. 4 OT losses and 1 regulation game where SF won on the last play of the game.

Its the Schottenheimer in him. For a long time I thought he had beaten it, but he hasn't worked through it yet.

Taking the ball out of the hands of your best player is such classic Martyball that it makes me want to weep.

He has improved on the original in so many ways that I thought this was a matter of time. But its still there.

[Upnorth]

Since we drifted off into how much TT sucks at drafting I think I will try taking us a little further off course. Schneider has done an amazing job in the late rounds but has been below average in the first two rounds. If this trend continues how long until he is called lucky?

[wist43]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!! :bs2:

[wist43]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

I've liked a lot of the talent - but the overall finesse philosophy hurts the product on the field to whatever extent. The Packers have a soft reputation - enough so that commentators talk about it.

SF literally laughed at us for a few years running, as the kicked they shit out of us every time we played them. As a fan, I certainly didn't enjoy watching another team push us all over the field.

Something is wrong with the picture, if - as you guys say - Rodgers is the best player in the league, and we have half a roster of elite players, and the other have were ripped off by not being invited to the pro bowl.

It isn't just "late game" coaching meltdowns... although, I'm pretty sure McCarthy wears panties on game day, and when the pressure is on, his nuts are too shriveled to drive a stake into an opponents throat. No, there is something amiss - if it is true we have the best player in the NFL, and we can't win more than 1 championship in 11 years, and likely won't win another one anytime soon.

[Patler]

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!! :bs2:

This discussion has lost focus and definition. You started out discussing "impact players". That changed to "elite players". I think they are different, with elite being a higher category. You see Sitton as neither, which I may disagree with, but can understand. The part I find astonishing is that you said Sitton does not even earn "very good" status, just "good". I think that is absurd.

[wist43]

This discussion has lost focus and definition. You started out discussing "impact players". That changed to "elite players". I think they are different, with elite being a higher category. You see Sitton as neither, which I may disagree with, but can understand. The part I find astonishing is that you said Sitton does not even earn "very good" status, just "good". I think that is absurd.

How many levels of goodness are there?? lol...

If having a turnstile at G is getting Rodgers killed on a regular basis - and Sitton stepping in and solidifying the position makes life cozy for Rodgers?? Then okay, he's an "impact player"...

That said, how often is Rodgers running for his life?? Seems like all the time. Granted some of that is due to holding the ball, which in turn may be a function of receivers not getting open...

Which leads us back to - what's wrong with the picture?? If receivers are not getting open - then do we have "elite" receivers?? No, of course we don't - Nelson is close to that though. And if Rodgers is constantly running for his life - which he is a good amount of the time - you can't blame it all on receivers not getting open - bacteria is a turnstile, but it isn't all on bacteria. Rodgers gets pressure from all over the place - I don't know who is doing the grading, or counting pressures, but that can be a pretty subjective walk around the church.

Something is pretty wrong with the picture - if all these players are "elite", or "impact", or "very good", or "good"... no?? If the worst player we had in our starting lineup was "good" - why are we not winning more championships?? M3 wearing panties on game day??

We're likely a 2nd tier contender again this year... right off the top Seattle, Arizona, and Carolina are all better than we are - and that is only in the NFC. Again, if we have the best player in the league, why are we not a top-tier contender?? We're in the conversation b/c of Rodgers, but I think most people would admit that all of those teams I mentioned are better than the Packers.

[Upnorth]

assuming no injuries, I think perhaps Carolina might be better. I think on a neutral field vrs Seattle and Arizona we win 60% of the time. Patriots likely beat us because of Gronk (healthy he is arguably the best player in the league) . Pittsburgh and cincy are going to be 50/50.
This is if everyone is healthy. And yes I think fully healthy Pitt and cincy are slightly better than Seattle and Arizona

[Deputy Nutz]

McCarthy is not going any where unless he has two seasons in a row where he fails to win a playoff game and fails to win the division, and Ted Thompson retires.

The Packers have a solid roster. It is not an elite roster, but very few teams are stacked like the 49ers, Cowboys, and Packers of the 90s. You just don't see those kind of rosters anymore.

Thompson has built a roster each year with an ability to win a Division title, make it to the playoffs, and contend for one of the final 4 spots in the NFC. What he hasn't done is make high risk/high reward moves in free agency or in trades to bring in players that could possibly push the Packers into NFC Champions. Let's face it, Ted Thompson is not Ron Wolf. He will not sacrifice salary cap to make a push to the Super Bowl. His method is consistency and keeping fans content and hoping for a magic carpet ride to the Super Bowl. If the Packers stay relatively injury free which is unlikely under McCarthy they have a roster that can push for a Super Bowl.

Right now no part of the Packers is dynamic. The Passing game two years ago was dynamic, last year it was a little above average. The defense is decent but unspectacular, the running game was a flop last year, and special teams was better in 2015 but not dynamic. McCarthy will keep his job as long as Thompson is in charge, and he keeps his win total around 10 per year, but for the fans that want Super Bowls a change of how to build a roster might have to change.

Also this team has no swagger. You look at the 1996 team, that team had swagger.

[Zool]

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!! :bs2:

If someone doesn't agree with you, they are homers.

[wist43]

assuming no injuries, I think perhaps Carolina might be better. I think on a neutral field vrs Seattle and Arizona we win 60% of the time. Patriots likely beat us because of Gronk (healthy he is arguably the best player in the league) . Pittsburgh and cincy are going to be 50/50.
This is if everyone is healthy. And yes I think fully healthy Pitt and cincy are slightly better than Seattle and Arizona

The only people who think the Packers are better than Seattle and Arizona are Packer fans.

I might agree with being 50/50 with cincy and Pittsburgh, but both of those teams are much more physical than we are... that wins out more often than not, if all other things are equal.

[3irty1]

Super bowl 51 odds to win as of 6/1:


Patriots +700
Seahawks +800
Packers +1000
Steelers +1000
Panthers +1100
Cardinals +1200
Bengals +1800

[Zool]

That's a soft +1000. Those odds makers are clearly Packer homers.

[wist43]

I certainly wouldn't waste my money betting in June on who would win the SB next February.

Lot of stupid people out there though ;)

[KYPack]

That's a soft +1000. Those odds makers are clearly Packer homers.

Do you hit a soft 1000 or just double down?

[Bretsky]

*Yawn*

We need another shit stirrer in addition to Wist. I appreciate his contrarian view but we need a new set of opposing argument to spice this place up.


I HEAR MY NAME BEING CALLED.........lol.........I truly appreciate Wist as I come across as an optimist when he's around.

Up to this point TT has assembled a team that got hot at the right time and went on a run when the NFL was all about even. After that.....yup.........

a wise man once said

FART IN THE WIND

[Bretsky]

How many levels of goodness are there?? lol...

If having a turnstile at G is getting Rodgers killed on a regular basis - and Sitton stepping in and solidifying the position makes life cozy for Rodgers?? Then okay, he's an "impact player"...

That said, how often is Rodgers running for his life?? Seems like all the time. Granted some of that is due to holding the ball, which in turn may be a function of receivers not getting open...

Which leads us back to - what's wrong with the picture?? If receivers are not getting open - then do we have "elite" receivers?? No, of course we don't - Nelson is close to that though. And if Rodgers is constantly running for his life - which he is a good amount of the time - you can't blame it all on receivers not getting open - bacteria is a turnstile, but it isn't all on bacteria. Rodgers gets pressure from all over the place - I don't know who is doing the grading, or counting pressures, but that can be a pretty subjective walk around the church.

Something is pretty wrong with the picture - if all these players are "elite", or "impact", or "very good", or "good"... no?? If the worst player we had in our starting lineup was "good" - why are we not winning more championships?? M3 wearing panties on game day??

We're likely a 2nd tier contender again this year... right off the top Seattle, Arizona, and Carolina are all better than we are - and that is only in the NFC. Again, if we have the best player in the league, why are we not a top-tier contender?? We're in the conversation b/c of Rodgers, but I think most people would admit that all of those teams I mentioned are better than the Packers.




pretty much agree with this; AZ seems ready to make a run

[Bretsky]

None of these guys is going anywhere - until they decide to leave. 10-6 in perpetuity is good enough for the Packers organization.

How many impact players, i.e. elite level players has TT drafted?? Rodgers is it... Jordy is just below that, and Clay a slight level below that.

I know the homers will say it is b/c we always draft in the 20's, but that doesn't fly... Seattle managed to find a basket full of impact players after the 1st round. How good would Bobby Wagner (2nd round) look in Green and Gold?? or Cam Chancellor (5th round), or Richard Sherman (5th round)??

Richard Sherman was pick #154 - Ted took TE DJ Williams with pick #141 in the 2011 draft

Cam Chancellor was pick #133 - Ted traded his 3rd and 4th round picks to move up 15 spots in the 3rd round to take Morgan Burnett. In the 5th round TT took TE Andrew Quarless.

Bobby Wagner was pick #47 - Ted spent a first round pick on Nick Perry, pick #28; then used pick #51 on DT Jerel Worthy.

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Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but TT really isn't all he's cracked up to be.

He's only hit on a few guys over the course of 11 years. If he hadn't departed from his myopic approach to roster building during '10 season, i.e. by signing Woodson, Pickett, and Greene - we wouldn't have lucked out and won the SB that year.

I believe it was Ron Wolfe who coined the phrase, "a fart in the wind", lol...

We're playoff contenders every year, but I don't consider our team overall to be at the level necessary to seriously contend for the SB.


WISTY......you are showing hints of seeing the light..........even though you don't realize it !!!!!!!!!

It is 75% Ted and 25% DOM. DOM is not a bad DC. He just coaches to the talent Ted provides for him. I'm not saying he's outstanding....but undoubtedly middle of the pack.

Ted needs to have more hits on these defensive draft picks; that we agree on.

RON WOLF > TED THOMPSON up to this point.

[Pugger]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM. :???:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=579080

[Pugger]

pretty much agree with this; AZ seems ready to make a run

They better hope Carson Palmer doesn't start to show his age and actually performs well in the playoffs.

[Fritz]

I find that when I am on the hot seat, driving to work on my electrically-warmed driver's seat in my car, I have the urge to pee.

I wonder if Mike feels this way, too.

[Bretsky]

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM. :???:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=579080



I'd probably consider them to be pretty close as well. Homerism aside I still think I'd give MM a slight advantage

[Patler]

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM. :???:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=579080


I'd probably consider them to be pretty close as well. Homerism aside I still think I'd give MM a slight advantage

It will be interesting to look at this comparison in another 2 or 3 years. There are a lot of similarities in their careers. Each has won a SB in a somewhat improbably run as a wild card playoff team. Each has otherwise come up short in playoffs, including several Conference Championship Game losses. MM has a solid lead in regular season winning percentage, .653 to .602.

I say it will be interesting to look at this in a few years because, since winning the SB, Harbaugh has gone 8-8, 10-6 and 5-11. That's 23-25 in three seasons. This has begun to tarnish the stellar start he had in going 54-26 his first 5 seasons. Harbaugh's career could be defined by what happens in the next few years. So far, MM has not had any 3 year period without a winning record. He has had two 3 year periods in which he was 27-21, years 1-3 and 3-5.

[Patler]

The only people who think the Packers are better than Seattle and Arizona are Packer fans.


Maybe not just Packer fans:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?28931-Best-Rosters-Patriots-1st-Packers-2nd

[Joemailman]

Maybe not just Packer fans:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?28931-Best-Rosters-Patriots-1st-Packers-2nd

Obviously those guys at PFF are all homer Packer fans.